Mother's choice in everything, law shouldn't get involved with such a matter. Pregnant teens are ruining the American Government with welfare and everything, when they could go on to do greater things.
happened to you, so can not say what you would do. And for sake of any other mothers who decided to carry on full term anyways, that is amazing to me and it's true love. And your rude comments, they should not be subjected to. Abortion is painful for a fetus. If i would have found out 1 month or under, i might have. But until you sit in that dc office, excited about that heartbeat you hear only to be told it won't beat for long, then you can tell me if you'd be the one to end it.
Fuck the scientific definition of human, fuck what the law says, if a mother such as myself doesn't have the heart to have an abortion, or if the mother can't picture her baby dying in her arms, it shouldn't be debated by ANYONE ELSE but that mother. At 4 months i got my 1st ultrasound. My 1st baby as well, i found it was a boy, then 10 minutes later that he would not be coming home with me from the hospital. I'm now 7 months & 1 week. His kicks and movements makes it worth it. Now, it hasn't
A human being is a person, & a person is a human being. I think we can all agree on that. The REAL question is - when in the course of development does a person/human become a human person.
Is a single cell a human?
Until someone develops the Soul-0-Meter, we will never know when a person become Human. But I think it is safe to say that a singe cell is not a person or human.
I don't think pure conscious awareness is necessarily the test, but at minimum, until the cells differentiate.
abortion in a perfect world should not exist, unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world, all humans first need should be to reproduce themselves..but once again we do not live in a perfect world.
@smoogirl in a perfect world, people shoud take responsability for their actions, only because a human being is living in somebody's else body, that does not give them the right to kill them. End of story. there is no worst crime of a woman that kills theyr own child.. I find it disgusting.
@symba Sorry to hurt you then, but I believe in freedom of action and choice. If a woman wants to abort for personal reasons then she should be allowed to, whether or not it's frownd upon by religious / moral others, or not.
If I, myself, accidently got pregnant, I would want the option of abortion if I so choose it, which I would most likely use. Thankfully I'll never have that problem because I also will never be having sex since I don't see a reason for it either.
@smoogirl yes, freedom of action of choice, so you are free to kill someone? because that is what you are doing.. I understand that abortion needs to exist, because otherwise women would end up trying to get rid of it themselves and they and the child would probably both end up dead, it's correct to help women, i am not discussing that, but in no way it can be right to kill someone, if you don't want the child, you should go through pregnancy , deliver and give it up in adoption.
@symba your 9 months are surely not worth more than an entire life, and I don't care if the baby can't think.. before 3 motnhs, 2, 4, or whatever it is, in my mind once the baby is growing, there is life, and only because it's in your body it's not up to you to decide. you had freedom to take precautions.. i repeat, a world in which it's legal to kill a child.. is a real shit world.
@smoogirl our perfect would also allows for a child to die of hunger every 5 seconds, we are so not perfect...but what can you expect from a race that is ready to kill their own child.. in order to be a bit more free and not take responsabilities for their actions, I don't believe in god or in any religion, but boy i would like that heaven and hell would exist, hell would be such a crowded place.
Zinnia, you ain't winning this argument because it has little to do with logic and lots to do with popular belief and demand. Just imagine: When does a child become an adult? Is there a specific time prescribed by science and logic? No! Adulthood is a LEGAL term and it is WHATEVER the stupid law says it is (e.g., 18 years). In India cows are sacred, but in America they're hamburger. So, which is it? Can we ask science to help us here? Logic is great for math but not for moral issues.
I think this movement isn't going far enough. All human sperm and egg cells should be considered persons. You all are committing murder for not having unprotected vaginal sex 24/7!
@Tamugetsu You do realise a good percentage of accidental pregnancy happens when the condom breaks, correct? Your statement is in-correct to a point or so.
@smoogirl I don't quite get how that has anything to do with my joke. Were you taking me seriously? I was being silly, honey. Of course I don't actually believe what I said - it's ridiculous!
Does this law mean that if a woman has a spontaneous abortion or if a fertilized ovum fails to embed we will have a funeral service for it? And bury it in a cemetery? Will hospitals be required to try and resuscitate the ovum?
I can imagine a tiny grave with a tiny cross. Wow! Could be a whole new line of business!
Now considering that many fertilized ova fail to embed themselves in the wall of the uterus, conditions not being right for that to occur. And many women have that unreceptive uterine wall for lengthy periods of time continue to lose fertilized ova for years, should we consider them to be serial killers? And hang them or otherwise put them to death? Maybe so. After all that will cause the gene pool to improve with time and this disease disappear from humans. :-))
@azzy314159 Shh, I know you're joking, but we don't want the tea party to get any ideas about executing people for not having babies. As a gay guy, that would not turn out well for me. :)
Plus, my mom's diabetic, and she lost several pregnancies before I was born (I was the first to make it). I'd rather her not be labeled a serial killer. She's a nice lady.
Gee! I should not have said that. My regards to your mom. All moms are all precious. As a str8 but gay loving atheist I understand what you mean. The only exception is that I adore the concept of the Holy Mother (in an atheistic way).
Pre-born persons aren't conscious. They have no sense of self. You are correct. BUT they were possible people, that is, organisms that had come to being despite innumerable odds against them being so. From a scientific point of view, the "chance of becoming a person" is a miracle if you think about it. I am a moderate in ways of thinking, and I think its important for people to challenge what their "liberal" or "conservative" groups tell them to think.
Oh so if anything that is alive and from a human is a person then me typing right now is fucking genocide! Damn im bad. Well im off to go kill a few million sperms then im gonna.
I love this. It's like the intellectual version of seeing a person do something physically assholish and get beaten up.
Also, I LOVE that ending. I hate how stuff like that is frowned upon and considered immature. It's not immature for you to make a stunningly deep argument and then have fun at the end, especially when that's what the bigots assume you do anyway.
At what level of brain developement is it good enough for you to say a fetus is a person? Legal abortions are being conducted long after brain developement. IS there some scientific criteria you assert will determine when it should no longer be legal for one to kill their unborn?
You might as well say your liver is a person? Ridiculous. A liver will never grow into anything but a liver. It only has the potential to be a liver. A zygote, on the other hand, has a potential to change the world.
@ZJemptv Lol. No. You answered the question yourself. "IF we find a way make..." If we did so, it would be artificial, not natural. It would be by our direct manipulations that such a thing happened. It is in these manipulations that we lose the sanctity of life. In this case, innocent life.
@ZJemptv I draw the distinction because it is a fact. IF we MAKE something happen, it means it happens by our direct manipulation. A liver will not spontaneously produce anything anymore than my leftover meatloaf.
Why is it relevant? Because what we are manipulating now is the life of a human being. You don't find this relevant?
Sex IS direct manipulation. It is a choice. Choices have consequences.
@Deke101 "IF we MAKE something happen, it means it happens by our direct manipulation. A liver will not spontaneously produce anything anymore than my leftover meatloaf."
And a woman's body won't spontaneously grow a fetus without fertilization taking place.
"Sex IS direct manipulation. It is a choice. Choices have consequences."
So what's the point of differentiating between "artificial" and "natural" here? What should this difference mean to us?
@ZJemptv " a woman's body won't spontaneously grow a fetus without fertilization taking place."
I agree. Once this has happened, a human being's life is at stake.
The point in differentiating between artificial and natural is the life of the unborn. If we cause the death of it by direct manipulation, we are killing the innocent. If we let nature take it's course and death occurs, there was no killing.
@Deke101 If it's okay for its death to be allowed to occur naturally, such as in cases of anencephaly, then why would it be objectionable to kill an embryo or fetus with similar capabilities? The result is the same either way: the death of a human being that has a comparable mental capacity and brain-developmental status. So it's somehow an acceptable result if it occurs because we chose not to do anything, but it's unacceptable if we chose to do something?
@ZJemptv If one infant dies of natural causes, why SHOULD it be OK to kill a perfectly healthy one?
I have an idea. Has it been proven the sexual orientation is a matter of genetics? So sexual identity should already be ingrained before birth, right? What if we could identify if a child is gay before birth? What if a hetero woman decides that she does not want to raise a gay child and has it killed, it being her decision and all?
@Deke101 "If one infant dies of natural causes, why SHOULD it be OK to kill a perfectly healthy one?"
Developing embryos, fetuses and infants with similar brain development should be treated similarly, unless you consider this completely irrelevant to their moral status - in which case we probably shouldn't take any brain-dead people off life support, either.
I don't think it's up to us to judge whether a woman has a "good enough" reason to exercise her right to abortion. It's her choice.
@ZJemptv "Developing embryos, fetuses and infants with similar brain development should be treated similarly"
I have heard others say not only should a woman be allowed to kill her unborn, but she should be allowed to kill her baby several weeks after birth if something is physically wrong with it.
Perhaps we should not judge whether a woman has a good enough reason to kill her children even after they are born. It's her choice.
@Deke101 I should also point out that in various cases of severe birth defects, the standard of care is simply to withdraw care and allow them to die - in some places, active euthanasia of severely disabled newborns is also considered permissible. The point is that simply removing the fetus or embryo, while at a stage where it also lacks the most basic mental capabilities, shouldn't be so objectionable either. It doesn't matter what it *would* become - it matters what it *is* at that point.
@ZJemptv Lol. In some places, it is acceptable to behead a woman for not covering here head in public.
I do not use mental capacity to define a human being. Killing the most innocent among us IS not only objectionable, but reprehesible. What it is at that point IS a human being at the beginning of it's life.
@Deke101 I think you should go back and read your conversation with ZJ because ZJ is picking and chooosing which issues to address. You raise MANY good points, however, ZJ only answers a few and with little relevance to the overall point you are trying to make. Keep up the good debate!
@TheWanderinSoul We are not going to get any further. I think she realized that and pulled out. It was boiling down to what this issue always boils down to. When does a human being begin? When it comes to this question, I have to reconcile this spiritually, philosophically, and scientifically. The ONLY answer to me that does this is CONCEPTION.
@Deke101 I think something MAY have happened in her past to make her so cold in regard to human life. I think she's just confused and hurt by the world. Whether or not she (or he, I don't wanna offend) realizes it or not is a different story. I can't really blame her for her line of thinking but I do wish she would at least be a little more open minded before posting SOOO many videos about such a morbid topic. But to each their own.
@ZJemptv Let me make an analogy using your logic. I mean the outcome is the same and that seems to be all that matters. (1) A bus full of people on their way to work suffers a blowout and accidentally flips over a guard rail and into a lake killing all. Death toll: 47. (2) A bus load of people on their way to work is sabotaged by a terrorist and crashes over a guard rail and into a lake killing all. Death toll: 47. I submit that one is an accident and one is human caused atrocity.
@Deke101 Here's something a little closer to the situation as it is: Is it wrong to prevent 47 people from coming into existence - before they even exist yet?
Taking someone off of life support when they are brain dead is no where near the same as anding a life that is just beginning. It is the difference between just arriving and already gone. Was that supposed to be a valid argument for abortion?
@ZJemptv Ah, don't you see? You already said it yourself. The life support patient's life is ALREADY over. You are not ending it by pulling the plug. You ARE, however ending a new life with abortion.
@ZJemptv It is an innocent human being. If killing this way does not bother you, then there is just nothing more I can say to you. You come off as very robotic and cold in your videos. Now after having this discussion with you, I am chilled even further.
Don't impose your immorality on me! "Life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness" (emphasis added). There is no right to happiness implied, just the pursuit of it.But, the right to life IS enumerated. That is for all human beings...at any stage. Libs need to read the founding documents, not opinions by hack law-makers and judges.
BTW, Webster was a legislator...his copyright bill was sponsored by his cousin, a senator. "We don't need legislators writing dictionaries"???
And now I see this law, or one very much like it, on it's way to being passed and I ask people to recall that corporations are legally "persons". (Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Ed. I believe.) The truth of the matter is that once the puppet masters use the media to push an idea, it's going to pass no matter what... like a few other things that have been forced on the public in any nation with television.
Apparently, around the 6th week, brain activity can be detected, and around the 8th week, it can be measured. Judging by this, would you consider an embryo after the 6th or 8th week a person?
INSTEAD OF GETTING ALL DRESSED UP AND HEADING LONELY AND DEPRESSED TO A GODLESS ALCOHOL INFESTED DRINKING PARTY HELLHOLE FULL OF STRANGERS OR OTHER MISERABLE SHALLOW FOLKS WHERE YOU ONLY GET A HANGOVER OR SOME TIME IN JAIL OR WORSE THIS NEW YEARS EVE,
WHY DON'T YOU INSTEAD GO TO A HOLINESS CHURCH OF THE REDEEMED WHERE NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT YOU EXCEPT GOD, AND WHEN THE PREACHER GIVES THE ALTER CALL FOR PRAYER OR BAPTISM IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, GO BOLDLY TO THE ALTER AND RECEIVE JESUS!!!
Single cell as a person makes sense, seeing that your brain is a single cell. DON"T DRINK!! Alcohol will destroy that cell and remove your ability to think and talk and bother people. On second thought go buy a six pack for yourself.
The Bible suggests that Humans are Temples of God and I suggest that all things that feel are also Temples of God and that there is no difference between a cat or a human. I choose the high road and a lil better common sense than the idiots of the world who seem so proud of their makeup jobs. You see the throne of the Earth is had by only thought and being and so I am here and I occupy the throne with every other living thing, unfortunately not many are intelligent. I hate murder and killing.
@SuperChristopherZ I agree. Everything this person says is so sad. He/she has such a bleak outlook on life that she/he refuses to look at it from different points of view. He/she raises some good points but usually through a major malfunction in she/he's critical thinking process. He/she makes so many mistakes in argument it makes it difficult to break it up into a structured form so that the point's she/he's trying to make become diluted with rhetoric and red herrings.
@SuperChristopherZ Which is exactly what politicians and religious leaders do so well. The problem is EVERYBODY does this without knowing (well some do it on purpose, ie politicians, religious leaders, and people who just are just lying fucks who like to manipulate people into believing what THEY want you to think so that THEY can get what THEY want, oh, wait, I already said politicians and religious leaders). Theres a reason why THEY don't teach critical thinking in elementary schools.
@TheWanderinSoul They don't teach thinking, let alone critical thinking, in ANY public schools, at any level. Pagans and liberal politicians do the same thing...amorality is a belief system, and everyone has their own agenda and value system. You just don't like this group, and you are taking it too personally. They are not lying, they just don't agree with you, and they are in power now.
@TheWanderinSoul I am simply stating that both sides of any issue display the same characteristics, and make the same accusations, both politicians and the populace. The new leaders of many state legislatures aren't lying in regard to abortion, they simply don't have the same value (or lack thereof) of the life of babies. People who are pro-choice proclaim an interest in "women's health", and the results of abortion would contradict that statement.
@MrProgressivelib1 So you actually believe that state legislatures, and politicians in general for that matter, are honest people and work for the common good of the people? If that is the case then it seems as though critical thinking is something that you don't exercise frequently.
@TheWanderinSoul No. I said that both sides of any issue are self serving, and work to get legislation through that reflects their values. That doesn't necessarily indicate that either side is lying. It simply means both sides, are self-seeking in the end. Clearly, the lack of critical thinking, and understanding plain English is on your end of these posts. Farewell, and have a wonderful day. ;)
@MrProgressivelib1 Obviously it is you whom is unable to either read nor communicate "plain English". Your premise AND conclusion (especially considering your first post to me) imply that the problem is simply a disagreement. In actuality the problem is that the issues are MADE to be vague and ambiguous so that both (or however many) sides may continue to be separated in order to maintain subconscious confusion so that they have the opportunity to bring up the issues to be used as a tool of
@MrProgressivelib1 segregation whenever the opposing sides start to correlate too much again. Welcome to philosophy 191: Its All Lies. Its as simple as divide and concur. If people start having productive conversations and were able to communicate without emotion then they would start to be more aware of the REAL issues at hand and stop pointing the finger at each other and start pointing the finger higher up the food chain which would continue further and further until ALL the curtains have
@MrProgressivelib1 been raised and the puppet masters are finally revealed. If you TRULY thought critically then you would have realized LONG ago that the arguments themselves are distractions as well as the rhetoric and red herrings. And that is why I believe that the legislators that you speak of ARE in fact lying. It's ALL about either keeping or further improving upon their seat in the food chain.
@TheWanderinSoul I'm just assuming you meant 101, not "191". OK. First, English 101: "concur" means to agree...I believe you meant "conquer". Second, did you not read the term "self-seeking" in my posts? It is not enough to say they all lie. You must go further, and truly think critically. Yes, the "issues" are superfluous. You must look deeper into what motivates Man. This "lying" happens on all levels. Less Alex Jones, and read more on the Nature of Man.
@MrProgressivelib1 No, I meant 191. At least thats where philosophy starts off with critical thinking at my school. And the "concur" was a typo that was fixed by word. But thank you for the grammar lesson. And I do my best not to lie but that doesn't mean that I, as an average person, lie to get my point across or to fuel an alternate and seedy agenda. Politicians and people in the mainstream media lie and alter facts to support an oppressive agenda. ALL sides do this. Whether or not they
@MrProgressivelib1 they realize it (or just don't care) is a different issue. However, there is of course SOME exception to this rule but those who adequately oppose those in power, in the sense that they are trying to give the control and power back to the people or expose the lies and deceit that the TRUE people in power use to manipulate and control the masses, are quickly gotten rid of in one way or another. Look at JFK. He was defeating the banks by getting rid of the
@MrProgressivelib1 federal reserve. And what happened to him 6 months later? DEAD!!! Killed by a brainwashed Paranoid Schizophrenic. And Lincoln? Killed by another brainwashed Paranoid Schizophrenic. The proof is in the pudding, as some say.
@TheWanderinSoul Additionally, this is not an emotional "issue" for me. It is, in fact, an objective, well-researched conclusion. And, at least it should be to any "thinker", is plainly obvious. The emotion (on both sides) does cloud the discussion. On that, I concur with you.
@SuperChristopherZ It's simply because we can't be having kids running around askin too many intelligent questions. The best way to maintain control is to keep them oblivious.
Now I gotta speak. So another wack job thinking they can read other Beings minds. All Beings feel before they think which is why the brain function of a person is irelevant to wether the being is a person or not. If something feels it is more of a person than those who memorize the dictionary or the books about Laws. Why? When a country has a Law that says dont kill yet goes to war with less civilized countries then their whose structure as beings is destroyed by their numbness of feeling.
GRAY AREAS OF satanic HELLBOUND FALSE INTELLECTUALS ARE THE MOST PERVERTED SPOUTINGS EVER CONCOCTED, SO THE devil AND his SIN-BLINDED SPACE MONSTERS CAN PRACTICE THEIR CHILD SACRIFICES TO THEIR DEMON god satan!!!
@ClearingStoneProphet blahblahblahblahblah... I wasn't aware that 600 years ago people had time machines... what are you doing in this century? cheap vivist tour? shouldn't you turn back to the dark ages and burn some warlocks and other bullshit?... XD XD
I love how these fetus fetishists always try to drag science into this. The fact is that "human being" is not a scientific term. You won't find a definition for it in any science reference text. Defining it as H. Sapiens merely replaces one label with another, which is also not a definition. H. S is a term of classification, drawn from Linnaean taxonomy. You have to identify an organism by listing its properties before you can determine what classification it falls into.
@pirbird14 If you look up a definition of H. Sapiens, you find man, mankind, human, modern man, etc, So, what you have is a circular argument: man=human being=H. Sapiens=man. You have to turn to the secondary meanings for human being, which always reference those intangible aspects of character that usually go into a definition of personhood. These intangibles are usually not scientifically measurable but are dependent on consciousness - a quality not found in the fetus.
@pirbird14 If we turn to the law, we find that the term person has an unsatisfactory meaning here as well. In law, person is someone upon whom the law confers rights - which is not a helpfull definition when trying to determine whether the entity under consideration should have rights. In 2500 years of Western law, the fetus has never been recognized as a person until it has become "a reasonable person in rerum natura and in the King's peace" - i.e. fully expelled from the womb.
His arguments are on the surface intellectual. But he ends up basically saying that if someone is brain dead, then they aren't really a person... well if this where to ever happen to him or one of his family members I would DOUBT he would go so far to strip them of their humanity or person-ness.
@soundtheology He wouldnt be stripping them of anything bcoz as far as hes concerned their no humanity left to strip. Basicly he would consider himself or the family to be dead at that point, and would consider it superficial to assign personhood based on merely physical or visible characteristics such as a body
Can someone smart do a video or leave a response explaining why or why not we should consider a faetus a person and exaplin at what stage of developement u think it should be considered a person?
Not “all of the words that comprise a language.” Dictionaries typically only list a fraction of those. You may notice that my nitpickery (you’ll find that term in few dictionaries) is restricted to a single word, which is to say that I very much enjoy your videos and have a high opinion of your perspicacity.
how do we know zygotes aren't sentient ? Further, brain death isn't a qualifier of a person, it is an absence of "quality of life". important distinction. Not saying where i fall on this issue, but QOL is important to address.
YOU ARE NOT HUMAN!!! U ARE AN ALLIEN FROM THE PLANET ZEBULON!!!! U ARE HERE TO TAKE OVER THE EARTH!!! YOUR FLYING SAUCER CRASHED SOMEWHERE NEAR CHAMPAIGN ILLINOIS. AND U ARE PRESENTLY TEACHING PLANETARY SCIENCE AT U of I.
alot of these embyos that you want to sacrifice to science have the potential to develop into a better person than yourself so matbe you shouldnt be so quick to consider them less than human. they just need time to devolop. what you want to do is like throwing away a photagraph before it develops and say it was never a photogragh when actually it is a photograph that just needed time to develop. im glad someone like you wasnt around to kill me in my developmental stages.
i gotta say i was pretty weirded out by your appearance (make up and lipstick on a guy, not conventional, even suggestive, where i'm from), but i gotta say this stuff is awesome. keep it coming. you got stuff pretty well wired up there, so it seems
if your going to smoke crack,dont have kids while smoking it..smoking crack is VERY bad for your testicles,and your children may turn out to be much like this,but to all you non-crack smokers,dont sniff sharpies,glue,hotwax,semen,or cow turds,unless if you want your kids calling themselfs ZJ and have a 2inch erect penis,and if your kids do act like this,but you have not done anything above,then your kid must have had a high dosage of horse semen pumped into there assoles at a young age.sieg heil
If that bill had passed, than any form of miscarriage could be seen as involuntary manslaughter. Like the mother wasn't going through enough already. Geez.
Dude something bothers me, i dont care abotu anyone's sexuality if you want to have buttsex thats your choice, but your a dude and you should act liek a dude.
It's so creepy when a man acts like a woman, or a woman that act's like man.
That dude seems.... uncomfortable in his words against ZJ. But hey, I would be too. ZJ never seems to let us down in in regards of shooting others logic out of the sky with his well-thought logic :D Good thing I agree with everything he's said, ever , or I'd have to watch my logic die likewise :3
Best summary of the topic I have ever seen. Really, what does make us human? What makes us, well, us? and what WOULD you save if you had to choose between the brain and the body?
I think everyone would agree with the same. Indeed, if you think about the concept of a "soul", what does such encompass? That which is the brain, and all sentient thought.
Hmn, so logically, anyone who argues animals do not have souls (from a religious POV) would be contradicting themselves?
Then basically our laws should not be stated on fact ^_^ just some stupid crap that someone says. Fact is what life is based on.....Physics is FACT! everything important is fact. HEY HEY> you're forgetting some one soul witch makes them a human. I want to know your view on how the world was made TELL me please!!!!!
Why must I answer every comment I leave on your videos the same? I am Christian, but I believe in abortion to a certain stage of development. I believe my other comments have said more about my beliefs, I'm going to be done now. lol
@BKIPRODUCTIONS But you are killing part of a potential child. That is the point. A fetus has no more memory or sense of self as a sex cell. The "pro-life" movement is protecting the unborn potential. I was trying to point out its ridiculousness.
@0nemest0 well not really. I believe it represents a fertilized zygote. So only after conception. Though women getting arrested for periods in ND would be pretty funny.
@Daoutsida05 Yes but the "Pro Life" movement is about preserving the genetic materials potential, I was pointing out that although sperm and eggs have half the genetic material as a zygote, they still hold the potential for a human being.
@0nemest0 That is fine to point out, however your statement of "If this law was comprehensive it would be illegal to kill a sperm cell or even for a woman to have her period~" is still invalid. Because the law you talk about plainly says it is illegal to kill a fertilized zygote after conception not before conception. Although I am not "Pro Life" I am just pointing at that your statement is 100% false.
@0nemest0 Yes, sperm cell elimination is running rampant in this country! A priod is a natural body function. No outside influences cause a period. No doctor appointment, or procedure is necessary to start and stop a period. It is a natural event. Abortion is not a natural event...with the exception of miscarriages. Your argument is unrelated.
@0nemest0 Yes, sperm cell elimination is running rampant in this country! A period is a natural body function. No outside influences cause a period. No doctor appointment, or procedure is necessary to start and stop a period. It is a natural event. Abortion is not a natural event...with the exception of miscarriages. Your argument is unrelated.
I have a single cell with full Human DNA that is clearly and singularly alive, and has purpose, not theoretical purpose, but real willful purpose that it directly and actively struggles to achieve.
It is a person? Seems to meet all the requirements, it is indisputably alive, and actively, willfully, and mobiley strives to fulfill its purpose in life. It will go to get length and expend great effort to fulfill its life destiny.
So, apparently sperm is a person, and we've murdered millions.
"Suppose that your brain was removed from your body. I except that may be the case, but regardless..."
Oh snap. Felt that one from here.
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Shit, remind me not to get into an argument with you.
Iemanonymous1 1 week ago
zinnia you may be uno of the few people that can beat obama on a debate republicans may want hunt you be carefull iloveu
presibayly 2 weeks ago
Loved the ending :)
ygwskidr123 3 weeks ago
Mother's choice in everything, law shouldn't get involved with such a matter. Pregnant teens are ruining the American Government with welfare and everything, when they could go on to do greater things.
shawngreene1 1 month ago
Greatness.
hallowbe 2 months ago
happened to you, so can not say what you would do. And for sake of any other mothers who decided to carry on full term anyways, that is amazing to me and it's true love. And your rude comments, they should not be subjected to. Abortion is painful for a fetus. If i would have found out 1 month or under, i might have. But until you sit in that dc office, excited about that heartbeat you hear only to be told it won't beat for long, then you can tell me if you'd be the one to end it.
wsmkthtksh 3 months ago
Fuck the scientific definition of human, fuck what the law says, if a mother such as myself doesn't have the heart to have an abortion, or if the mother can't picture her baby dying in her arms, it shouldn't be debated by ANYONE ELSE but that mother. At 4 months i got my 1st ultrasound. My 1st baby as well, i found it was a boy, then 10 minutes later that he would not be coming home with me from the hospital. I'm now 7 months & 1 week. His kicks and movements makes it worth it. Now, it hasn't
wsmkthtksh 3 months ago
Honestly, as long as the child is in the womb, to me it should be fair game. But I'd be happy with keeping the laws we have now.
Idontlikelobster 4 months ago
A human being is a person, & a person is a human being. I think we can all agree on that. The REAL question is - when in the course of development does a person/human become a human person.
Is a single cell a human?
Until someone develops the Soul-0-Meter, we will never know when a person become Human. But I think it is safe to say that a singe cell is not a person or human.
I don't think pure conscious awareness is necessarily the test, but at minimum, until the cells differentiate.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
i like when you make facial expressions like in 6:03
workescapist 5 months ago
is that another gay guy reading? LMAO.....birds of a feather and all
juiceyfruit379 5 months ago
really
CrAzylol75 6 months ago
ur pretty
CrAzylol75 6 months ago
abortion in a perfect world should not exist, unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world, all humans first need should be to reproduce themselves..but once again we do not live in a perfect world.
symba 6 months ago
@symba Abortion should exist; that is my point of view however, and in a perfect world it would exist, which is does. So our world is getting there.
smoogirl 6 months ago
@smoogirl in a perfect world, people shoud take responsability for their actions, only because a human being is living in somebody's else body, that does not give them the right to kill them. End of story. there is no worst crime of a woman that kills theyr own child.. I find it disgusting.
symba 5 months ago
@symba Sorry to hurt you then, but I believe in freedom of action and choice. If a woman wants to abort for personal reasons then she should be allowed to, whether or not it's frownd upon by religious / moral others, or not.
If I, myself, accidently got pregnant, I would want the option of abortion if I so choose it, which I would most likely use. Thankfully I'll never have that problem because I also will never be having sex since I don't see a reason for it either.
smoogirl 5 months ago
@smoogirl yes, freedom of action of choice, so you are free to kill someone? because that is what you are doing.. I understand that abortion needs to exist, because otherwise women would end up trying to get rid of it themselves and they and the child would probably both end up dead, it's correct to help women, i am not discussing that, but in no way it can be right to kill someone, if you don't want the child, you should go through pregnancy , deliver and give it up in adoption.
symba 5 months ago
@symba your 9 months are surely not worth more than an entire life, and I don't care if the baby can't think.. before 3 motnhs, 2, 4, or whatever it is, in my mind once the baby is growing, there is life, and only because it's in your body it's not up to you to decide. you had freedom to take precautions.. i repeat, a world in which it's legal to kill a child.. is a real shit world.
symba 5 months ago
@smoogirl our perfect would also allows for a child to die of hunger every 5 seconds, we are so not perfect...but what can you expect from a race that is ready to kill their own child.. in order to be a bit more free and not take responsabilities for their actions, I don't believe in god or in any religion, but boy i would like that heaven and hell would exist, hell would be such a crowded place.
symba 5 months ago
Zinnia, you ain't winning this argument because it has little to do with logic and lots to do with popular belief and demand. Just imagine: When does a child become an adult? Is there a specific time prescribed by science and logic? No! Adulthood is a LEGAL term and it is WHATEVER the stupid law says it is (e.g., 18 years). In India cows are sacred, but in America they're hamburger. So, which is it? Can we ask science to help us here? Logic is great for math but not for moral issues.
allegrobas 6 months ago
I think this movement isn't going far enough. All human sperm and egg cells should be considered persons. You all are committing murder for not having unprotected vaginal sex 24/7!
Tamugetsu 7 months ago
@Tamugetsu You do realise a good percentage of accidental pregnancy happens when the condom breaks, correct? Your statement is in-correct to a point or so.
smoogirl 6 months ago
@smoogirl I don't quite get how that has anything to do with my joke. Were you taking me seriously? I was being silly, honey. Of course I don't actually believe what I said - it's ridiculous!
Tamugetsu 6 months ago
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TimeWhoreOfRome 7 months ago
Does this law mean that if a woman has a spontaneous abortion or if a fertilized ovum fails to embed we will have a funeral service for it? And bury it in a cemetery? Will hospitals be required to try and resuscitate the ovum?
I can imagine a tiny grave with a tiny cross. Wow! Could be a whole new line of business!
azzy314159 7 months ago
Now considering that many fertilized ova fail to embed themselves in the wall of the uterus, conditions not being right for that to occur. And many women have that unreceptive uterine wall for lengthy periods of time continue to lose fertilized ova for years, should we consider them to be serial killers? And hang them or otherwise put them to death? Maybe so. After all that will cause the gene pool to improve with time and this disease disappear from humans. :-))
azzy314159 7 months ago
@azzy314159 Shh, I know you're joking, but we don't want the tea party to get any ideas about executing people for not having babies. As a gay guy, that would not turn out well for me. :)
Plus, my mom's diabetic, and she lost several pregnancies before I was born (I was the first to make it). I'd rather her not be labeled a serial killer. She's a nice lady.
Tamugetsu 6 months ago
@Tamugetsu
Gee! I should not have said that. My regards to your mom. All moms are all precious. As a str8 but gay loving atheist I understand what you mean. The only exception is that I adore the concept of the Holy Mother (in an atheistic way).
azzy314159 6 months ago
Pre-born persons aren't conscious. They have no sense of self. You are correct. BUT they were possible people, that is, organisms that had come to being despite innumerable odds against them being so. From a scientific point of view, the "chance of becoming a person" is a miracle if you think about it. I am a moderate in ways of thinking, and I think its important for people to challenge what their "liberal" or "conservative" groups tell them to think.
MrLmevancoe 8 months ago
Actually, I wouldn't trust legislators writing a grocery list, much less a law.
TheCeejReturns 8 months ago
Oh so if anything that is alive and from a human is a person then me typing right now is fucking genocide! Damn im bad. Well im off to go kill a few million sperms then im gonna.
yuo252 8 months ago
I love this. It's like the intellectual version of seeing a person do something physically assholish and get beaten up.
Also, I LOVE that ending. I hate how stuff like that is frowned upon and considered immature. It's not immature for you to make a stunningly deep argument and then have fun at the end, especially when that's what the bigots assume you do anyway.
LokcedUot 9 months ago
neigh! neigh! LMMFAO!!
beavisishere 9 months ago
@beavisishere Nonjunlo seems to be stoned out of his/her mind.
yuo252 8 months ago
You should tighten that scarf some. No tighter...tighter. Wayyy tighter. Yeah that's it, just go to sleep.
TheSkuLLcomedyShow 10 months ago
... I <3 you, ZJ. Epic ending to a well informed rebuttle! It makes me giggle on the inside...
slythoughts 11 months ago
@slythoughts He looked so adorable in the ending, makes you want to hug him. :D
koantin 8 months ago
@koantin Glad to know I'm not the only one with that response...
slythoughts 8 months ago
At what level of brain developement is it good enough for you to say a fetus is a person? Legal abortions are being conducted long after brain developement. IS there some scientific criteria you assert will determine when it should no longer be legal for one to kill their unborn?
Deke101 11 months ago
Are you saying that cases of anancephaly are a good reason to kill perfectly healthy unborn humans?
Deke101 11 months ago
You might as well say your liver is a person? Ridiculous. A liver will never grow into anything but a liver. It only has the potential to be a liver. A zygote, on the other hand, has a potential to change the world.
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 So if we find a way to make totipotent cells from livers, which would develop into embryos, does that mean we have to save the livers?
ZJemptv 11 months ago
@ZJemptv Lol. No. You answered the question yourself. "IF we find a way make..." If we did so, it would be artificial, not natural. It would be by our direct manipulations that such a thing happened. It is in these manipulations that we lose the sanctity of life. In this case, innocent life.
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 "If we did so, it would be artificial, not natural."
How do you draw such a distinction and why is it relevant?
"It would be by our direct manipulations that such a thing happened."
Conception already occurs "by our direct manipulations" when people choose to have sex.
ZJemptv 11 months ago
@ZJemptv I draw the distinction because it is a fact. IF we MAKE something happen, it means it happens by our direct manipulation. A liver will not spontaneously produce anything anymore than my leftover meatloaf.
Why is it relevant? Because what we are manipulating now is the life of a human being. You don't find this relevant?
Sex IS direct manipulation. It is a choice. Choices have consequences.
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 "IF we MAKE something happen, it means it happens by our direct manipulation. A liver will not spontaneously produce anything anymore than my leftover meatloaf."
And a woman's body won't spontaneously grow a fetus without fertilization taking place.
"Sex IS direct manipulation. It is a choice. Choices have consequences."
So what's the point of differentiating between "artificial" and "natural" here? What should this difference mean to us?
ZJemptv 11 months ago
@ZJemptv " a woman's body won't spontaneously grow a fetus without fertilization taking place."
I agree. Once this has happened, a human being's life is at stake.
The point in differentiating between artificial and natural is the life of the unborn. If we cause the death of it by direct manipulation, we are killing the innocent. If we let nature take it's course and death occurs, there was no killing.
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 If it's okay for its death to be allowed to occur naturally, such as in cases of anencephaly, then why would it be objectionable to kill an embryo or fetus with similar capabilities? The result is the same either way: the death of a human being that has a comparable mental capacity and brain-developmental status. So it's somehow an acceptable result if it occurs because we chose not to do anything, but it's unacceptable if we chose to do something?
ZJemptv 11 months ago
@ZJemptv If one infant dies of natural causes, why SHOULD it be OK to kill a perfectly healthy one?
I have an idea. Has it been proven the sexual orientation is a matter of genetics? So sexual identity should already be ingrained before birth, right? What if we could identify if a child is gay before birth? What if a hetero woman decides that she does not want to raise a gay child and has it killed, it being her decision and all?
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 "If one infant dies of natural causes, why SHOULD it be OK to kill a perfectly healthy one?"
Developing embryos, fetuses and infants with similar brain development should be treated similarly, unless you consider this completely irrelevant to their moral status - in which case we probably shouldn't take any brain-dead people off life support, either.
I don't think it's up to us to judge whether a woman has a "good enough" reason to exercise her right to abortion. It's her choice.
ZJemptv 11 months ago
@ZJemptv "Developing embryos, fetuses and infants with similar brain development should be treated similarly"
I have heard others say not only should a woman be allowed to kill her unborn, but she should be allowed to kill her baby several weeks after birth if something is physically wrong with it.
Perhaps we should not judge whether a woman has a good enough reason to kill her children even after they are born. It's her choice.
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 The difference is that there are plenty of options once it's out of her body, like leaving it at a hospital, no questions asked.
ZJemptv 11 months ago
@ZJemptv I totally agree. The options you are talking about here are also options to abortion.
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 I should also point out that in various cases of severe birth defects, the standard of care is simply to withdraw care and allow them to die - in some places, active euthanasia of severely disabled newborns is also considered permissible. The point is that simply removing the fetus or embryo, while at a stage where it also lacks the most basic mental capabilities, shouldn't be so objectionable either. It doesn't matter what it *would* become - it matters what it *is* at that point.
ZJemptv 11 months ago
@ZJemptv Lol. In some places, it is acceptable to behead a woman for not covering here head in public.
I do not use mental capacity to define a human being. Killing the most innocent among us IS not only objectionable, but reprehesible. What it is at that point IS a human being at the beginning of it's life.
Deke101 11 months ago
@ZJemptv Oh, and by the way, tell any parent who has lost a child that their infant was never a person. See if that cheers them up.
Deke101 11 months ago
@ZJemptv I mean to severe birth defect, that is.
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 I think you should go back and read your conversation with ZJ because ZJ is picking and chooosing which issues to address. You raise MANY good points, however, ZJ only answers a few and with little relevance to the overall point you are trying to make. Keep up the good debate!
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
@TheWanderinSoul We are not going to get any further. I think she realized that and pulled out. It was boiling down to what this issue always boils down to. When does a human being begin? When it comes to this question, I have to reconcile this spiritually, philosophically, and scientifically. The ONLY answer to me that does this is CONCEPTION.
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 I think something MAY have happened in her past to make her so cold in regard to human life. I think she's just confused and hurt by the world. Whether or not she (or he, I don't wanna offend) realizes it or not is a different story. I can't really blame her for her line of thinking but I do wish she would at least be a little more open minded before posting SOOO many videos about such a morbid topic. But to each their own.
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
@ZJemptv Let me make an analogy using your logic. I mean the outcome is the same and that seems to be all that matters. (1) A bus full of people on their way to work suffers a blowout and accidentally flips over a guard rail and into a lake killing all. Death toll: 47. (2) A bus load of people on their way to work is sabotaged by a terrorist and crashes over a guard rail and into a lake killing all. Death toll: 47. I submit that one is an accident and one is human caused atrocity.
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 Here's something a little closer to the situation as it is: Is it wrong to prevent 47 people from coming into existence - before they even exist yet?
ZJemptv 11 months ago
@ZJemptv Before they exist? That depends on how you propose to DO that.
Deke101 11 months ago
Taking someone off of life support when they are brain dead is no where near the same as anding a life that is just beginning. It is the difference between just arriving and already gone. Was that supposed to be a valid argument for abortion?
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 "Taking someone off of life support when they are brain dead is no where near the same as anding a life that is just beginning."
At that phase, there is no meaningful consciousness, awareness or personhood, so what's the difference?
ZJemptv 11 months ago
@ZJemptv I already illustrated the difference. The life support patient's life is ending already, naturally. The unborn's life is just beginning.
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 Why should this be a relevant difference as to whether or not it's acceptable to end that life?
ZJemptv 11 months ago
@ZJemptv Ah, don't you see? You already said it yourself. The life support patient's life is ALREADY over. You are not ending it by pulling the plug. You ARE, however ending a new life with abortion.
Deke101 11 months ago
@Deke101 Whether it's new or not, why should that matter in regards to the status of its mental capacity, brain development and so on?
ZJemptv 11 months ago
@ZJemptv It is an innocent human being. If killing this way does not bother you, then there is just nothing more I can say to you. You come off as very robotic and cold in your videos. Now after having this discussion with you, I am chilled even further.
Deke101 11 months ago
Don't impose your immorality on me! "Life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness" (emphasis added). There is no right to happiness implied, just the pursuit of it.But, the right to life IS enumerated. That is for all human beings...at any stage. Libs need to read the founding documents, not opinions by hack law-makers and judges.
BTW, Webster was a legislator...his copyright bill was sponsored by his cousin, a senator. "We don't need legislators writing dictionaries"???
MrProgressivelib1 11 months ago
And now I see this law, or one very much like it, on it's way to being passed and I ask people to recall that corporations are legally "persons". (Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Ed. I believe.) The truth of the matter is that once the puppet masters use the media to push an idea, it's going to pass no matter what... like a few other things that have been forced on the public in any nation with television.
A.G.
AussieGriffin 11 months ago
Apparently, around the 6th week, brain activity can be detected, and around the 8th week, it can be measured. Judging by this, would you consider an embryo after the 6th or 8th week a person?
r3v3ng3ofthef4113n 11 months ago
The ending was just priceless.
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ClearingStoneProphet 1 year ago
Respondants should do themselves a favor and be a lot less smug
1982mockingbird1982 1 year ago
Before Roe v Wade, abortion was considered a minor misdemeanor, not murder.
txvoltaire 1 year ago
Single cell as a person makes sense, seeing that your brain is a single cell. DON"T DRINK!! Alcohol will destroy that cell and remove your ability to think and talk and bother people. On second thought go buy a six pack for yourself.
TheSwagzter 1 year ago
@TheSwagzter hahaha wow thats a good one, a single cell is a person.
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ClearingStoneProphet 1 year ago
The Bible suggests that Humans are Temples of God and I suggest that all things that feel are also Temples of God and that there is no difference between a cat or a human. I choose the high road and a lil better common sense than the idiots of the world who seem so proud of their makeup jobs. You see the throne of the Earth is had by only thought and being and so I am here and I occupy the throne with every other living thing, unfortunately not many are intelligent. I hate murder and killing.
SuperChristopherZ 1 year ago
@SuperChristopherZ I agree. Everything this person says is so sad. He/she has such a bleak outlook on life that she/he refuses to look at it from different points of view. He/she raises some good points but usually through a major malfunction in she/he's critical thinking process. He/she makes so many mistakes in argument it makes it difficult to break it up into a structured form so that the point's she/he's trying to make become diluted with rhetoric and red herrings.
TheWanderinSoul 1 year ago
@SuperChristopherZ Which is exactly what politicians and religious leaders do so well. The problem is EVERYBODY does this without knowing (well some do it on purpose, ie politicians, religious leaders, and people who just are just lying fucks who like to manipulate people into believing what THEY want you to think so that THEY can get what THEY want, oh, wait, I already said politicians and religious leaders). Theres a reason why THEY don't teach critical thinking in elementary schools.
TheWanderinSoul 1 year ago
@TheWanderinSoul They don't teach thinking, let alone critical thinking, in ANY public schools, at any level. Pagans and liberal politicians do the same thing...amorality is a belief system, and everyone has their own agenda and value system. You just don't like this group, and you are taking it too personally. They are not lying, they just don't agree with you, and they are in power now.
MrProgressivelib1 11 months ago
@MrProgressivelib1 Can you please be more specific about which issue you are speaking about?
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
@TheWanderinSoul I am simply stating that both sides of any issue display the same characteristics, and make the same accusations, both politicians and the populace. The new leaders of many state legislatures aren't lying in regard to abortion, they simply don't have the same value (or lack thereof) of the life of babies. People who are pro-choice proclaim an interest in "women's health", and the results of abortion would contradict that statement.
MrProgressivelib1 11 months ago
@MrProgressivelib1 So you actually believe that state legislatures, and politicians in general for that matter, are honest people and work for the common good of the people? If that is the case then it seems as though critical thinking is something that you don't exercise frequently.
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
@TheWanderinSoul No. I said that both sides of any issue are self serving, and work to get legislation through that reflects their values. That doesn't necessarily indicate that either side is lying. It simply means both sides, are self-seeking in the end. Clearly, the lack of critical thinking, and understanding plain English is on your end of these posts. Farewell, and have a wonderful day. ;)
MrProgressivelib1 11 months ago
@MrProgressivelib1 Obviously it is you whom is unable to either read nor communicate "plain English". Your premise AND conclusion (especially considering your first post to me) imply that the problem is simply a disagreement. In actuality the problem is that the issues are MADE to be vague and ambiguous so that both (or however many) sides may continue to be separated in order to maintain subconscious confusion so that they have the opportunity to bring up the issues to be used as a tool of
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
@MrProgressivelib1 segregation whenever the opposing sides start to correlate too much again. Welcome to philosophy 191: Its All Lies. Its as simple as divide and concur. If people start having productive conversations and were able to communicate without emotion then they would start to be more aware of the REAL issues at hand and stop pointing the finger at each other and start pointing the finger higher up the food chain which would continue further and further until ALL the curtains have
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
@MrProgressivelib1 been raised and the puppet masters are finally revealed. If you TRULY thought critically then you would have realized LONG ago that the arguments themselves are distractions as well as the rhetoric and red herrings. And that is why I believe that the legislators that you speak of ARE in fact lying. It's ALL about either keeping or further improving upon their seat in the food chain.
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
@TheWanderinSoul I'm just assuming you meant 101, not "191". OK. First, English 101: "concur" means to agree...I believe you meant "conquer". Second, did you not read the term "self-seeking" in my posts? It is not enough to say they all lie. You must go further, and truly think critically. Yes, the "issues" are superfluous. You must look deeper into what motivates Man. This "lying" happens on all levels. Less Alex Jones, and read more on the Nature of Man.
MrProgressivelib1 11 months ago
@MrProgressivelib1 No, I meant 191. At least thats where philosophy starts off with critical thinking at my school. And the "concur" was a typo that was fixed by word. But thank you for the grammar lesson. And I do my best not to lie but that doesn't mean that I, as an average person, lie to get my point across or to fuel an alternate and seedy agenda. Politicians and people in the mainstream media lie and alter facts to support an oppressive agenda. ALL sides do this. Whether or not they
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
@MrProgressivelib1 they realize it (or just don't care) is a different issue. However, there is of course SOME exception to this rule but those who adequately oppose those in power, in the sense that they are trying to give the control and power back to the people or expose the lies and deceit that the TRUE people in power use to manipulate and control the masses, are quickly gotten rid of in one way or another. Look at JFK. He was defeating the banks by getting rid of the
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
@MrProgressivelib1 federal reserve. And what happened to him 6 months later? DEAD!!! Killed by a brainwashed Paranoid Schizophrenic. And Lincoln? Killed by another brainwashed Paranoid Schizophrenic. The proof is in the pudding, as some say.
TheWanderinSoul 11 months ago
@TheWanderinSoul Additionally, this is not an emotional "issue" for me. It is, in fact, an objective, well-researched conclusion. And, at least it should be to any "thinker", is plainly obvious. The emotion (on both sides) does cloud the discussion. On that, I concur with you.
MrProgressivelib1 11 months ago
@SuperChristopherZ It's simply because we can't be having kids running around askin too many intelligent questions. The best way to maintain control is to keep them oblivious.
TheWanderinSoul 1 year ago
Now I gotta speak. So another wack job thinking they can read other Beings minds. All Beings feel before they think which is why the brain function of a person is irelevant to wether the being is a person or not. If something feels it is more of a person than those who memorize the dictionary or the books about Laws. Why? When a country has a Law that says dont kill yet goes to war with less civilized countries then their whose structure as beings is destroyed by their numbness of feeling.
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ClearingStoneProphet 1 year ago
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DocStrange0123 1 year ago
I love how these fetus fetishists always try to drag science into this. The fact is that "human being" is not a scientific term. You won't find a definition for it in any science reference text. Defining it as H. Sapiens merely replaces one label with another, which is also not a definition. H. S is a term of classification, drawn from Linnaean taxonomy. You have to identify an organism by listing its properties before you can determine what classification it falls into.
pirbird14 1 year ago
@pirbird14 If you look up a definition of H. Sapiens, you find man, mankind, human, modern man, etc, So, what you have is a circular argument: man=human being=H. Sapiens=man. You have to turn to the secondary meanings for human being, which always reference those intangible aspects of character that usually go into a definition of personhood. These intangibles are usually not scientifically measurable but are dependent on consciousness - a quality not found in the fetus.
pirbird14 1 year ago
@pirbird14 If we turn to the law, we find that the term person has an unsatisfactory meaning here as well. In law, person is someone upon whom the law confers rights - which is not a helpfull definition when trying to determine whether the entity under consideration should have rights. In 2500 years of Western law, the fetus has never been recognized as a person until it has become "a reasonable person in rerum natura and in the King's peace" - i.e. fully expelled from the womb.
pirbird14 1 year ago
My liver IS a person. It wears trousers and t-shirts. People wear trousers and t-shirts. Therefore, my liver is indeed a person.
Darksunshinerain87 1 year ago
I am all for ND HB1572!!! I survived abortion!! When he grows up and has kids of his own one day... Oh wait... uhhh... Is that even possible?
UberDeathTurtle 1 year ago
WTF am i watching and how the hell did i get here? If you`re like me you, know what to do!
Ometopada 1 year ago
His arguments are on the surface intellectual. But he ends up basically saying that if someone is brain dead, then they aren't really a person... well if this where to ever happen to him or one of his family members I would DOUBT he would go so far to strip them of their humanity or person-ness.
soundtheology 1 year ago
@soundtheology He wouldnt be stripping them of anything bcoz as far as hes concerned their no humanity left to strip. Basicly he would consider himself or the family to be dead at that point, and would consider it superficial to assign personhood based on merely physical or visible characteristics such as a body
1982mockingbird1982 1 year ago
Slightly off topic: I LOVE how you're using Holst's "Mars - The War-Bringer" as your background music!
DrakeTimbershaft 1 year ago
Slightly off topic: I love how you're using Holst's "Mars: The War-Bringer" as your background music!
DrakeTimbershaft 1 year ago
Haha, the ending was awesome
Shmekekey 1 year ago
Ahahaha! I feel very sorry for your critics.
Can someone smart do a video or leave a response explaining why or why not we should consider a faetus a person and exaplin at what stage of developement u think it should be considered a person?
1982mockingbird1982 1 year ago
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ImaginaryLettuce 1 year ago
Not “all of the words that comprise a language.” Dictionaries typically only list a fraction of those. You may notice that my nitpickery (you’ll find that term in few dictionaries) is restricted to a single word, which is to say that I very much enjoy your videos and have a high opinion of your perspicacity.
telofy 1 year ago
My liver is a person. It's all black and fatty.
I call it Oprah.
ScrewFoxNews 1 year ago 14
how do we know zygotes aren't sentient ? Further, brain death isn't a qualifier of a person, it is an absence of "quality of life". important distinction. Not saying where i fall on this issue, but QOL is important to address.
sonick808 1 year ago
THIS IS THE BEST POT IVE EVER SMOKED
herbertholedinker 1 year ago
YOU ARE NOT HUMAN!!! U ARE AN ALLIEN FROM THE PLANET ZEBULON!!!! U ARE HERE TO TAKE OVER THE EARTH!!! YOUR FLYING SAUCER CRASHED SOMEWHERE NEAR CHAMPAIGN ILLINOIS. AND U ARE PRESENTLY TEACHING PLANETARY SCIENCE AT U of I.
herbertholedinker 1 year ago
alot of these embyos that you want to sacrifice to science have the potential to develop into a better person than yourself so matbe you shouldnt be so quick to consider them less than human. they just need time to devolop. what you want to do is like throwing away a photagraph before it develops and say it was never a photogragh when actually it is a photograph that just needed time to develop. im glad someone like you wasnt around to kill me in my developmental stages.
dav37777777 1 year ago
"Suppose your brain was removed from your body. I suspect that would actually be the case, but..."
That made me laugh, I'm sorry
ShadowWolf119 1 year ago
Thanks for making this clear.
Banaany 1 year ago
6:03 #LOL
iJuanjoo 1 year ago
One good thing you can do with the dictionary is hit that person in the head who ever the person was..
xXMrGreenEyes24Xx 1 year ago
Are you a robot??!?!?! Are you from the future?! God, my lill brother is scared right now.
princeps006 1 year ago
haha 100% PERFECT great vid!
evilyakko 1 year ago
You were so cute at the end! That put a big smile on my face.
uBeR1337gUy 1 year ago
i gotta say i was pretty weirded out by your appearance (make up and lipstick on a guy, not conventional, even suggestive, where i'm from), but i gotta say this stuff is awesome. keep it coming. you got stuff pretty well wired up there, so it seems
52453glr 1 year ago
i love the idea of killing babies dont get me wrong but im just not comfortable with giving women a choice....
ManicTheManic 1 year ago
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if your going to smoke crack,dont have kids while smoking it..smoking crack is VERY bad for your testicles,and your children may turn out to be much like this,but to all you non-crack smokers,dont sniff sharpies,glue,hotwax,semen,or cow turds,unless if you want your kids calling themselfs ZJ and have a 2inch erect penis,and if your kids do act like this,but you have not done anything above,then your kid must have had a high dosage of horse semen pumped into there assoles at a young age.sieg heil
1for2for3 1 year ago
no ... YOU
NO ... you
oh yeah ... oh YEAH
mbagge 1 year ago
that ending was hilarious
ishiface 1 year ago 2
If that bill had passed, than any form of miscarriage could be seen as involuntary manslaughter. Like the mother wasn't going through enough already. Geez.
serenalynn22 1 year ago
Dude something bothers me, i dont care abotu anyone's sexuality if you want to have buttsex thats your choice, but your a dude and you should act liek a dude.
It's so creepy when a man acts like a woman, or a woman that act's like man.
card969 1 year ago
That dude seems.... uncomfortable in his words against ZJ. But hey, I would be too. ZJ never seems to let us down in in regards of shooting others logic out of the sky with his well-thought logic :D Good thing I agree with everything he's said, ever , or I'd have to watch my logic die likewise :3
Naminehaha 2 years ago
wow...
just... wow...
Best summary of the topic I have ever seen. Really, what does make us human? What makes us, well, us? and what WOULD you save if you had to choose between the brain and the body?
I think everyone would agree with the same. Indeed, if you think about the concept of a "soul", what does such encompass? That which is the brain, and all sentient thought.
Hmn, so logically, anyone who argues animals do not have souls (from a religious POV) would be contradicting themselves?
kurisux 2 years ago
Then basically our laws should not be stated on fact ^_^ just some stupid crap that someone says. Fact is what life is based on.....Physics is FACT! everything important is fact. HEY HEY> you're forgetting some one soul witch makes them a human. I want to know your view on how the world was made TELL me please!!!!!
BuddyBearTV 2 years ago
A horse goes neigh, neigh, neigh. Fucking epic.
DarkSunshineRain 2 years ago 11
Lol that was the best part, and he said all that in this creepy, whispery voice... very weird...
HBanana55 2 years ago
I lol'd when I heard Mars for the first time because it's like the air ship theme from Super Mario Bros. 3 is just a remix of it.
corlenbelspar0 2 years ago
"there, i just saved you 5 minutes" ftw! (unfortunately it was too late for me to retrieve that 5 minutes back)
prolefeedprocessor 2 years ago
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weepingmarshmallow 2 years ago
NO U
You get me every time, ZJ.
xAetherxx 2 years ago 2
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are you a dude or a chick
goldendomer025 2 years ago
Goldendomer025, are you a hermaphrodite or a Eunuch?
Bongwyre2112 2 years ago 4
as a matter of fact shes kinda hot
BLONMONJ3 2 years ago 2
I think you missed the point that we write our laws in English
ScrewAttackChina 2 years ago
Why must I answer every comment I leave on your videos the same? I am Christian, but I believe in abortion to a certain stage of development. I believe my other comments have said more about my beliefs, I'm going to be done now. lol
DarkAnderebu 2 years ago
why do you talk like that?...
and what are you wearing?
ANd are you a guy?
i really don't understand you...
BillTomKaulitz22 2 years ago
Ad Hominem, Ad Hominem, Ad Hominem...
evilnomad111 2 years ago 2
@BillTomKaulitz22
ahaaaha lol!! owned!!
atheo247 2 years ago
If this law was comprehensive it would be illegal to kill a sperm cell or even for a woman to have her period!
0nemest0 2 years ago 42
@0nemest0 thats not true the law say from a zygot. a zygot occurs when a sperm and an egg come together. just saying
BKIPRODUCTIONS 1 year ago
@BKIPRODUCTIONS But you are killing part of a potential child. That is the point. A fetus has no more memory or sense of self as a sex cell. The "pro-life" movement is protecting the unborn potential. I was trying to point out its ridiculousness.
0nemest0 1 year ago
@0nemest0 damn and i enjoy jackin off alot :(
91pup 1 year ago
@0nemest0 Or as Christopher Hitchens put it "Blow jobs would be genocide."
comicreaper 1 year ago 12
@comicreaper Hell the human body discharges sperm naturally when you sleep and when your awake so living is genocide of are poor little spermies.
yuo252 8 months ago
@0nemest0 well not really. I believe it represents a fertilized zygote. So only after conception. Though women getting arrested for periods in ND would be pretty funny.
Daoutsida05 1 year ago
@Daoutsida05 Yes but the "Pro Life" movement is about preserving the genetic materials potential, I was pointing out that although sperm and eggs have half the genetic material as a zygote, they still hold the potential for a human being.
0nemest0 1 year ago
@0nemest0 That is fine to point out, however your statement of "If this law was comprehensive it would be illegal to kill a sperm cell or even for a woman to have her period~" is still invalid. Because the law you talk about plainly says it is illegal to kill a fertilized zygote after conception not before conception. Although I am not "Pro Life" I am just pointing at that your statement is 100% false.
Daoutsida05 1 year ago
@0nemest0 Yes, sperm cell elimination is running rampant in this country! A priod is a natural body function. No outside influences cause a period. No doctor appointment, or procedure is necessary to start and stop a period. It is a natural event. Abortion is not a natural event...with the exception of miscarriages. Your argument is unrelated.
MrProgressivelib1 11 months ago
@0nemest0 Yes, sperm cell elimination is running rampant in this country! A period is a natural body function. No outside influences cause a period. No doctor appointment, or procedure is necessary to start and stop a period. It is a natural event. Abortion is not a natural event...with the exception of miscarriages. Your argument is unrelated.
MrProgressivelib1 11 months ago
Again flawlessly argued in a battle of wits against an unarmed loser.
limegreensquid 2 years ago
"No you! *farting noise*"
Hahahahahaha.
CNFroozer 2 years ago 2
I care not.
Massamoto 2 years ago
The directed raspberry was by far the best bit. The cherry on the top.
draagon66 2 years ago
I think language can be considered a superset of law, because law cannot exist without language.
werdsup 2 years ago
I have a single cell with full Human DNA that is clearly and singularly alive, and has purpose, not theoretical purpose, but real willful purpose that it directly and actively struggles to achieve.
It is a person? Seems to meet all the requirements, it is indisputably alive, and actively, willfully, and mobiley strives to fulfill its purpose in life. It will go to get length and expend great effort to fulfill its life destiny.
So, apparently sperm is a person, and we've murdered millions.
blueboyblue 2 years ago 2