Yodsanklai vs Souwer Broadcast Tv version

[Tarnz2010]

i thort andy was doing sum massive pull dwn counters off yods body kiks and timing his counters underneath and handwork beautifuly and after watching this i think evry1 should have pull downs in there arsenal it beats taking body kiks all night

[DidYouSeeTheSunrise]

This is one of the most discussed Muay Thai fights in history, there are a lot of points of discussion.

[KrissiBenassi]

i met yodsanklai in bangkok last year^^

[TheRevolution33]

Just judging these two rounds. Souwer easily won them both. Yod was just throwing a single kick or punch at a time and landed one for every 12 or 15 thrown. Andy blocked almost all of it AND countered and landed at a very high rate. Yod may have been more "active" but you still have to score, you just cant kick your way to victory. If that were the case, it would be a game of cardio more then skill. Andy clearly won the first two rounds here.

[031ish]

@TheRevolution33 I dont understand, what do you mean by andy blocked almost all of yods kicks? Yod was kicking his forearm! And that was Yods game plan. Do you know how much been kicked in the forearm hurts? It brings the fighters arm down so u can throw punches past there guard and yes u do score points by kicking someones forearm!

[TheRevolution33]

@031ish Ok, well Im a professional fighter so I do know how much it hurts but its not scoring. Blocking body kicks with your arms is exactly what it is "a block".  If a fighter stays active that will "score" in some way for them but kicking another fighters forearms is NOT scoring. Lets just put it this way, if one fighter throws a leg kick and the other checks it with his shin, would that score for the one throwing the kick? No it would not, the kick was checked (blocked) and therefore

[TheRevolution33]

@031ish did not score. Same goes for blocked kicks to the body. Now, if a fighter gets kicked and never answers back with a return of some sort then the fighter that is kicking is now scoring in a way of "staying busy". Just because something hurts doesnt mean it scoring. Yod was kicking and Andy was blocking AND returning immediately with kicks and punches and was landing. Thats what counts, thats what is scoring. If Andy would have just stood there and not returned, Yod would be winning.

[Basketbaka1031]

@TheRevolution33 Obviously we are watching a different fight? Looks like Yod landed a fair percentage of kicks. If you look carefully enough, half of his middle kicks were not blocked. Also, the only countershots that Souwer landed were his low kicks. His punches barely touched Yod who had immaculate head movement. Also, Yod countered Souwer's punches accurately and stopped Souwer from coming forward. 2nd Round, Souwer resorted to clinch work, and still got owned...

[TheRevolution33]

@Basketbaka1031 I just watched it twice more and didnt see Yod land a single mid kick. He glanced about 3 mid kicks while Andy was kicking his supporting leg. Listen, you obviously dont know how Andy and most European kickboxers block mid kicks so please dont come on here stating that they arent blocking. Get educated on how he and others block then watch again. AGAIN, kicking the forearms is NOT landing a kick, thats how they block. I could go on but then Id need to charge you for a lesson.

[yuv06]

@TheRevolution33 The point is not scoring! The point is that it wears your opponent down!  Even if you block with your arms those kick hurt like hell!

[TheRevolution33]

@yuv06 I totally understand what you are saying because I am a professional fighter and am trained by one of the hardest kickers, Maurice Smith. But what you dont understand is the dutch style of blocking body kicks. Our style does not use the leg and one hand to block body kicks. We use both forearms to block body kicks. In doing so, it keeps both feet firmly on the ground which translates to fast counters of any sort and thats what you see Andy doing in this fight. Hurt or not, its a block

[yuv06]

@TheRevolution33 Thanks for the reply!

[albusai]

thais allways get robbe

[DotaHelm]

so many nice lowkick counters by souwer very sweet

[lloki13]

Its hard to win when the judges are against you. It happens in Thailand too, but yeah this was digusting home cooking. Yod got robbed!

[Blahb27]

@lloki13 What bullshit. Souwer just scored more points. The kickboxing system awards combinations, control and skill. On top of that, blocked hits don't score, so you can't just punch often with zero skill, and win.

Now for some reason Yod found it necessary to make many single actions and many kicks that were easy to block. Souwer is a more complete fighter and won as a result. In fact, it's not Souwer's toughest fight. Yod just didn't bother to prepare for normal kickboxing rules.

[lloki13]

@Blahb27 I disagree. I think Yod was more aggressive and landed the more telling blows. I don't speak Dutch so I can't tell if this thing was strictly kickboxing rules like you're claiming. But if it is a K-1 rules fight or "It"s Showtime" rules, Yod was robbed! I love Andy, he's one of my favorite fighters, but I don't like seeing one guy robbed while the othe rproclaims victory especially when said victory isn't clearly EARNED.

[031ish]

Yodsanklai won this for sure. A lot of people are coming on here and saying yod lost because it was under k1 rules but k1 rules or mt rules yod still won. I know how to score a MT and K1 fight and this was a complet robbery. I have nothing against andy but I dont know what it is about him and thais! On both occasions andy fought buakaw, buakaw dominated and won but the judges for reason gave it to andy. There is obviously something very doddgy going on here.

[Savirov]

thumbs up if you think Souwer got good reaction speed and Yod has sublime left roundhouses

[Blahb27]

I wonder why Yod makes so many midkicks while he's clever enough to know Souwer won't fail to block even one unless distracted by something else. It takes up energy, scores zero points, and he knows Souwer's not one to perform any less by a little pain.

[fruktsniffarn]

@Blahb27

Becouse when he decides for a headkick its going to land, and besides, why not try to brake his arm as well?

[Blahb27]

@fruktsniffarn Lol mate, you just don't break people's arms kicking them. That's really an exception no gameplan would aim for.

That's what left me wondering about this fight. How can a fighter of Yod's calibre (I'm not contending he's good) be stupid enough to not prepare for regular kickboxing rules?

It's so different from muai thai rules in terms of scoring that it's downright silly to make the transition without preparing for it.

[twitchykun]

WTF why is Yodsaenklai wearing Twins equipment?

[Basketbaka1031]

I'm sorry but this is a fight. And in this fight Yodsaenklai obviously consistently held the upper hand. He got lazy in later rounds but that's cos he knew he won... Yes Souwer put up a good fight but it was impossible to say Souwer won it.. This is probably the reason why Buakaw can't win either..

[papichulobumber1]

@Basketbaka1031

Its all about points my friend, where do you see yod make points with k1 rules? Souwer hit every lowkick that he tried, all points. Yod only hits the block.

[YetiGorilla]

Yodsaenklai landed most of the kicks perfectly right under Andys parades. Everytime andy tried to punch Yodsaenklai, Yodsaenklai just evaded them or blockt them. Don't get me wrong, am my favorit fighers are Andy andYodsaenklai. But this is sow lame, Yodsaenklai clearly won the fight after third round. Andy never got Yodsaenklai afterwards, he only pressed him up to the corners nothing more....

[papichulobumber1]

@YetiGorilla

Well i see allot of kicks connecting with Andy's elbow and arm. And i see Andy making many clean lowkicks.

[YetiGorilla]

@papichulobumber1 We'll  that's your opninion, but am sure not alone with mine....

[papichulobumber1]

@YetiGorilla

I think these are facts :)

Souwer just makes more clean hits and he tries to mix it up, makes combinations. I think Yodsaenklai is a fantastic fighter but he needs to adapt to k1, why doesnt he kick to the legs?

[YetiGorilla]

@papichulobumber1 Well maybe he's to used to muay thai rules.

[papichulobumber1]

@YetiGorilla

Thats what i think aswell, k1 judging is less tecnnical then MT, its more based on the feel of a fight and you can really see Souwer is trying hs hardest Yod is trying but like with most of the thais it doesnt really show. They are always so calm. in K1 close matches most of the time go to the guy who pushes the action. You need to show you want to win in k1, go for the ko. The same middlekick 100 times, starts to look negative.

[crane76]

Yod is a one trick horse. Souwer has obviously studied Yod's fights cos he can counter his monotonous left kicks pretty well.

[itchykandar]

if only souwer circles to his left away frm yods kick. it would have turned out a lil different i guess

[fightcore001]

k-1 is completely different to muay thai

in muay thai u can do way more things

k-1 is very limited n it fits souwer perfectly but he did pretty good in this fight

he got some takedowns which arent aloud in k-1 but yod got lots of kicks but this is only round 1

[Eshton1992]

Oh well.

Even though Yod is better than Buakaw.

Yod aint used to the K1 rules.

[Vigid]

That was an awesome fight. I call it a draw.

[sneakyscorpia]

I want K1 rules with elbow back!!

[MAS4T0]

K-1 never allowed elbows...

[MAS4T0]

Yod did more work than Souwer but Souwer landed more.

If you watch really closely then you'll see just how tight Souwer's defense is, nothing significant got through.

Remember, attacks that are blocked (meaning they land on the arms or gloves) do not score.

This is after all K-1 rules, not Muay-Thai.

This was clearly Souwer's fight. Under the K-1 scoring system Souwer should have won it without the extension.

[puzema]

are u insane?? yod landed more and his tactic always involves itting his opponents hand to make it weaker ,yod is not that simple

[MAS4T0]

No, Souwer got more shots through than Yod.

This was fought under K-1 rules (not Thai rules), so while the shots to the arms would have hurt Souwer, they did not score.

[puzema]

yeah true that it didnt score anything, thats where yod have to work to be better in k-1 !!!! but i meant that is why yod kicking his hand to weaken his andys hand : )

[1Thomas187]

fuck you bitch, souwer landed nothing. yods attacks hurting him more. souwer never won the fight, he is a little pussy

[MAS4T0]

Souwer's defence was extremely tight, his defensive manoeuvres were perfectly timed and executed (as always). If you can't see that you must be blind.

Do you understand K-1 rules or fight sports in general? Have you ever competed?

Your comment is inconsistent.

You called Souwer a "pussy" (which he clearly isn't), yet he continued pressing forward despite the fact that (in your opinion) he was taking more damage.

Swearing at me doesn't make you look intelligent, so don't do it.

[Sbanchamek]

yod got robbed. andy wasn't the winner at all!

[Jetshite]

Yod has heavy hands for a Thai!

Who won this? I think Yod.

[joninberlin]

I think Souwer injected morphine into his right arm to take the Yod's kicks...lol!

[djsimo149]

ahahah it's fucking true sower is a kickboxer yod is a thai is differente thai is the best

[ravingdave900]

for me it was a draw or yodsanklai by abit

[gretaritaingrid]

does anyone know what year this video was?

[champeen185]

March 2, 2008

[zelot07]

1 2 rd yodwin

3rd close

4rd andywin

[Yonggook1]

You don't know fight at all

1 rd andy win

you don't know nothing so you never

understand low kick damage^^

yodsan can't control he's weight for standing after souwer's

fucking more than 20 low kick after^^

middle kick is fucking week if we protect from middle kick with a nice guard like a souwer^^ and even more hurt yodsan his leg kk

[Yonggook1]

2 rd of coursely andy win

everyone can see low kick's damage

yodsan's middle kick going weaker and weaker

but souwer's power never change...

souwer just scare...

[Basketbaka1031]

Low kicks do fuck all damage to a thai btw :/

[novan08]

sometimes its worth the points if they land clean.

[MAS4T0]

Do you believe thais to be immune to low kicks because they're superhuman freaks of nature? Or for some other reason?

Low kicks can potentially devastate anyone, regardless of conditioning. Thais often get stopped by low kicks, Petrosyan stopped a few this way during his time in Thailand.

[031ish]

@MAS4T0...Its not that there immune its because thai fighters start as young as 6 and by the time there 20 most fighters have had at least 200 fights so there used to pain more then other fighters but dont get me wrong, just like you said thai fighters can still be stopped by low kicks.

[MAS4T0]

It's not the pain that's the problem. They can deal with the pain.

It's the deadening of the leg (which slows movement) and the eventual loss of all strength, to the point that the leg will no longer support the fighters weight.

Eventually, the leg will give out and you'll be unable to stand, regardless of pain tolerance or conditioning.

[TUKTUKSTUEY]

yes!!! petro was also beaten by low kicks by Nonthanun por. pramuk

[Tewler]

Good fight

Leg so strong

[haszK]

I think Yod who this one!

[luckysausages]

Both are good fighters, Only difference technique.

[BJJMTF]

this looks like an exibition fight, not a real fight, look at the size of the gloves

[TapMeOut]

It's just the bright colours of Yellow and White that make the gloves look big. Both "Grant" and "Reyes" gloves in Boxing have the same visual effect of "looking bigger" when fighters use Green, yellow, purple or white gloves but they truly are 8 or 10oz.

[addicted2music21]

@BJJMTF lol yeh.. looks like training gloves dont they? they are significantly heavier.. fuck

[jemetonicPRODUKSHUNZ]

why is yodsanklai wearing TWINS shorts ?

[haszK]

Good question . I noticed Neuro. was wear the same type of shorts.

[samsun1983]

R. Dekker was the one of many foreign boxers who willingly to fight under full muay thai rules. Now a day not many have that guts. therefore most of them stay away from this type of tournament. Sakmongkol,jomhod,orono and many more thais never been beaten by the dutch

[omadon7]

yoders is awesome

[Tharx89]

Jongsanan isn't yod u retard

[peanutbutterblah]

Judging from this match and Souver Vs Buakaw, i'd say Buakaw is better.

[zelot07]

dutch rules lol

[cb89807]

I know what i said is going to cause alot of fighting and i just want to say that the second round could have gone either way! That said, having the fight on andy's terf could have led to biases.

[cb89807]

1st is definetly yod's round. second round is extremely close. Andy landed absolutely no punch combinations. All Andy really had the second round were his low kicks which he landed a lot of. Yod threw alot of high kicks. Some landed flush scoring higher than low kicks, while others were technically "blocked" however, i believe that the blocked high kicks showed aggression on Yod's behalf. Yod also landed with his hands more than Andy. I would have given the second round to Yod making him winner.

[so5664]

completely bullshit decision. yod won this after three rounds should never have had to have gone to the extra round. He lost the extra round, sure, he was gassed. but in his post match interview yod said that the promoters made him lose two kilos the night before the fight which was WHY he lost that round. And if u dont think the judges were full of shit watch anuwats fight on the same night and tell me how on earth that could EVER have been a draw.

[Raap24]

they are making the Thais pay for what they did to Ramon Dekkers!

[koronkax]

the thais had nothing on dekkers

[mrphilosophical]

pardon my ignorance, what did the thais did to ramon ?

[Raap24]

Well they drove him in terrible vans with no airconditioning to a venue where the fight was due to be held then he had to drive another few hrs to the stadium were the fight was changed at the last moment with no notification.

Frequently he won fights but thai judges of course gave the decision to the home fighter.

[karabouzouklis]

man i love dekker too he is my favourite european fighter BUT sakmongol at lumpinee was much better than dekkers

[wadewilson1973]

Souwer did wear shorts back in the day.

[CN7039]

Why does Souwer always wear long pants? is it made of some kinda special material or something? i wanna see him fight in shorts just so that i know he's not getting anything out of suspiscous pants.

[benzy199]

there shoot boxing trousers, look it up. most of then have a small amount of leather pading down the shin an foot. if its what your used to in the ring then why change it

[CN7039]

Well then if Souwer is used to it, then surely they should have allowed elbows for Yodsanklai coz he's used to that? that "small amount of leather padding" could give a fraction of advantage to Souwer if not the least. Just want to see Souwer without those leotards to see if he's still the same. And no I don't wanna look up. shoot box = american wannbes of chute boxe?

[timmyz55]

shootboxing was invented by a japanese dude, caesar takeshi, as on offshoot of kickboxing. if you're going to be ignorant, do it with some knowledge of what you're talking about.

[CN7039]

Hey dick face, we can all type "shoot boxing" in google or wikipedia so if you really wanna prove how smart you are, do that in real life.

병신새끼야. and when the fuck did i say that it wasn't originated from Japan? It was your pseudo-assumption just so that you could say ''omg you're ignorant blah blah blah.'' you're the true ignorant one here.

[leem0401]

씨발새끼야... 한국인들이름에 먹칠하지말자. 미친놈...

[leem0401]

He doesn't get anything special out of it. It's not made out of leather or any protective materials. It's just simple clothing. If you know anything about Andy Souwer, he used to fight in regular thai shorts before. And Yodsanklai rarely uses elbows if you actually know him.

[CN7039]

Perhaps you can tell that shit to the previous commentor who said its made of LEATHER. (i.e. certain amount of prot). And, no, i dont 'actually know' yodsanklai, and yes he doesn't use elbow that much but if elbow was allowed it'd be a great advantage to the thai than souwer if you have a brain.

[benzy199]

oh my god go look at any shoot boxe pants anywhere on the net, they have fucking leather padding. k1 rules state you can wear padding on your legs if its pre approved before the fight so fuck off!!!

[CN7039]

Go on the oficial K-1 site, read article-18 and article 20. Doesn't say shit about leather paddings. eat my balls and fuck off.

[benzy199]

mate your wrong face it go to google images type in andy souwer look at his legs when hes fighting in k1 max pictures, you can clearly see a strip running down his shin, just like masato wears ancle supports with padding in them, when buakaw fought shishido, shishido clearly had thick padding down his legs an on his feet.. oh but artical blah blah says blah blah, but they still where it fact... get a grip u mug

[muayusa]

I have to disagree with Yodsanklai rarely uses elbows... Just watch the match with Jongsanan vs Sakmongkol. Jongsanan AKA Yodsanklai.

[CN7039]

Hypocritical fucktard, you have just 한국인들이름에 먹칠했다. 미친놈 congrats.

[RexDartEskimoSpy]

Yodsanklai asked for K-1 rules. Therefore, no elbows.

[mtape1986]

60 kg souwer? klopt volgens mij niet, enfin goed gevecht van beide kanten