Air Car by Guy Negre on Science Channel

[davetileguy]

Iv'e developed a car that runs on gravity ! If you start at the top of one hill you can coast down and up another higher hill!!

[BrucePBigelow]

This was really on the Science Channel? If I claim my car runs 4000km on a single AA Batery dipped in tomato juice can I make it on there too?

[fizzguts]

@BrucePBigelow Many thanks, your comment was a genuine laugh out loud moment

[BrucePBigelow]

@fizzguts Yeah, they should change the name to the Pseudoscience channel.

Do you happen to know if anyone is suing MDI? I know most of the companies that have purchased licences to sell this fantasy vehicle aren't too happy with no deliveries and MDI's perpetual promise of "Next year..."

[fizzguts]

@BrucePBigelow Supposedly Catecar are currently in dispute and Eolo in Italy were going through the courts. The New Zealand mob seem to have written of their $500,000 MDI moving it's company to the tax avoidance haven Luxembourg probably makes it pretty awkward

There is a disgruntled investors grouping action-group dot co dot cc who are pissed about the money but still believe in the technology Sheesh

[BrucePBigelow]

@fizzguts Interesting. I don't like seeing cheaters prosper but it's hard to feel bad for the investors (suckers) who gave them money. I'm sure the engineers at Tata were consulted and then ignored when they bought into this scam.

[Somefurfag]

So much bullshit.

From the start, compressing air requires energy, obtained from electricity and sourced from, primarily, the burning of fossil fuels.

[gaetstanton]

fizzguts,

Lets see this man use to develope F1 racing engines and apparantly you simply rant and rave. He has a few working proto types and you have allot of anger issues.

I bet you are simply sitting around looking to state the obvious negative comments to run something down, while you smoke something to get you by in life, I am sure.

The plan is sound and compressed air will be viable with a duel power car that will give this a range of more than you can even imagine.

[joakimveyron]

Sound???????????? What is sound at this stupid and non-thought through air car concept????? Compressed air is the worst and least efficient carrier of energy. You won't be able to change that. At least, this stupid Frenchie should have done his homework!

[fizzguts]

"this man use to develope F1 racing engines"

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

Negre's F1 engines were a disaster of the highest order. He was the laughing stock of the F1 world at the time

"the obvious negative comments"

Like the FACT this piece of crap has never under test driven further than 5 miles? The FACT it is FIVE times LESS efficient than an electric car.

Tell you what find one independent test confirming MDI's lies opps claims and I''ll sing their praises

Hello?

Silence?

Fools & Morons

[davetileguy]

@gaetstanton HAAA dummy!

[checkersq]

fizzguts is an angry tool who can blow me

[timberbridge]

The technology we have now makes storage at higher pressures possible. We have composite materials and better metal alloys to make the tanks from. We also have better motor/engine design and materials as well. Finally, we can now build a car that's lighter but still reasonably safe.

[fizzguts]

MDI claim to use 4500psi tanks and get 7.2km lets say we get 10,000psi tank now it goes 15km

Whee

The better motor design is limited by thermodynamics. it is well understood and has been since the 1930's. There is no magic "better" air motor

a fool and his money

[timberbridge]

Lighten up dude. Did somebody sell you a bridge or something?

You're not even considering the volume of the tanks on the car.

Also, specify exactly why the laws of thermodynamics invalidate this exact implementation of the air motor.

[fizzguts]

The volume of tanks per MDI's website are totally inadequate for the range / performance claims. Try a 20 foot container packed with dive tanks towed behind the air car to get the range speed claims.

Me angry? Absolutely, I hate these slimy con artists who have taken well over $13M from investors.

The air motor is constrained by expansion of an ideal gas that sets the maximum efficiency. Nothing in the "design" gives an improvement over existing uniflow expansion engines

[timberbridge]

Angry or not, you need to refrain from name calling.

As for the technical matters, I don't think the engineers at TATA motors would fail to at least test run the MDI car or realize major problems. Can you cite (web) a source that proves this is impossible?

I've found one which indicates that

"300 litres (11 cu ft) of air at 30 MPa (4,500 psi) contains about 16 kWh of energy (the equivalent of 1.7 liters [0.44 US gal, 0.37 imp gal] of gasoline, assuming a 100% efficiency of the engine)."

[fizzguts]

Email TATA. Ask them when they go into production Answer Never. They got burnt. Probably there is a marketing whiz kid now selling Tata cars in down town Kabul.

"assuming a 100% efficiency of the engine" And "assuming" I can harness flying pigs see you on the moon. Even if 100% was true = 28km Whee

Can you cite ANYWHERE on the web where a non MDI person has driven ANY of their cars to the promised distance or at the promised speed? I've been waiting 10 years

[timberbridge]

First, whether Tata got burnt is a business issue.

Second, no one announces a big business deal without first examining the product carefully. I've only run a small business and I sure wouldn't! TATA? I trust them.

As for the "assuming 100% efficiency of the engine* thing, that's referring to the gas engine, not the air motor. 16 KWH is about what decent home-brew-hack electric car with lead acid batteries has.

Now, where are _your_ cited sources proving that the physics don't work out?

[fizzguts]

Repeating EMAIL TATA No cars no way no how.

Google GAST air motors more info than you can shake a stick at.

If you still can't get your head round the maths join yahoo groups airpoweredvehicles

I only lurk on it but there is a bucket load of files to prove MDIs is a steaming pile of poo.

[timberbridge]

I've contacted TATA though I doubt they'll reply. GAST is a manufacturer, there's no info concerning the physics of air powered vehicles.

You talk about math but you don't make specific mathematical source references.

[fizzguts]

Can't you read? ]

Yahoo groups Files

GAST power volume pressure curves all prove my points

You have blind faith and innumeracy on your side. Whee

[timberbridge]

Woo hoo, I'm awed by your intellectual superiority. You can gab and insult. I'm convinced! You're right. You have to be right or else you wouldn't need to sling insults like an insecure adolescent in his mom's basement.

[fizzguts]

"I'm convinced! You're right."

Finally enlightenment and punctuation no less!

As for the rest of your comments

The editor of major newspaper once wrote

"Dear pot thank you for your comments signed kettle"

Bwahahahahaha

[makaralaatikko]

why must everything always be con? as if everything was con for you eh? consider this whit some curisioty instead of blindly slamming it down, youd see that not everything is just to take your money

[fizzguts]

Why do you believe with NO evidence everything scamming arsehole on Youtube?

Google "vencat 20 miles"

Google "rexreserch negre"

Google "e.volution south africa"

Tell you what. You produce one independent test report where the range and speed claims have been tested and confirmed and I will shut up.

Hello

Silence

My curiosity is exercised by real wonders Check my favourites

This is a pathetically obvious SCAM

[joakimveyron]

No worries, fizzguts. If it weren't for my curiosity in the sheer size of human incompetence and stupidity, I would let this brain-amputated monkey invest their little money into this air car stupidity or try to buy one, when then also they will find out how stupid this concept is.

[jackpickard2007]

A video about amazingly green, cheap and practical technology RUINED by an UNBELIEVABLY STUPID SUGGESTION ABOUT. Anyone who suggests perpetual motion is possible is missing a fundamental grasp of physics.

[timberbridge]

I'm on a PC with no sound so I don't know if he directly suggests perpetual motion. However, it is possible to recapture _some_ of the energy through regenerative braking. That means putting out 100 units of energy and getting back, say, 60 units when you brake instead of getting none back by simply converting it all to heat. The Toyota Prius, and some electric cars do this already. Their regen isn't extremely efficient though. This could be better in the regen department.

[jackpickard2007]

i agree, regenerative breaking is going to be great when it happens, and sooner or later it will probably be ubiquitous. However, the video suggests that perpetual motion is possible in these 'air cars'. Idiotic.

[timberbridge]

Yeah, I'm on my own PC now and I too am disappointed to hear them claim perpetual motion's possible with this car. High efficiency? Yes. Perpetual motion? No.

This could make a pretty nice hybrid platform though. Electric/ compressed air, or gas/ compressed air hybrids are easily possible. Series hybrid would be the best.

[fizzguts]

Quote "and stop keep trying to convince me, its people like you that makes youtube a shitty place to be!"

Bwahahaha I love it a 16 year old who doesn't want anyone to spoil his delusions. Welcome to the real world! It is just lining up to rip you off and rob you blind. But hey no one can tell you the facts right, they just confuse you.

Bwahahahaha

[fizzguts]

You are an idiot. The very first cars were doing multi day trips of 100s of kilometers as soon as they were produced Hancocks steam wagons, Benz city to city journeys etc etc

Well if you can't Google GAST and can't use a calculator you can't comment on this scam can you. People will never buy something that is only capable of a maximum of 20km and costs a fortune to fill up because it is so inefficient. Electric vehicles are MUCH more efficient that this puddle of crap.

[shanghaikidx]

Hahaha ... how brain amputated one has to be to think that this shitty compressed air stupidity solves any energy problem??? Ah, because this shit doesn't emit CO2 when driving??? Ah, and who or what compresses the air??? Really, how brain amputated one needs to be.

And please, this shit is certainly no 'new technology' or "smart invention", but the latest rubbish from France that does not work. Please, Frenchies, do us a favor and cultivate wine!

[paristaza]

how 'brain amputated' does one have to be to automatically assume that something is not possible merely because they cannot fathom new technology? And reject it based solely on racist sentiment? You've clearly never even been to France have you? Good luck hazing over your ridiculous life powered by the inventions of many other nationalities on French wine!

[joaquinveyron]

Hahaha ... Another American Billy Bob. What can I expect??! "New technology"??? Nothing like this! If these idiots had investigated for 30 min whether stupid air engines already existed or were tries out, or if they had thought about whether this rubbish is a viable concept at all, then wouldn't have spent one cent on buiilding it. This shit does not work either (well maybe 30 km.h fast and a range of 40 km), but more importantly nor is it more eco-friendly nor more economic.

[joaquinveyron]

But there are enough stupid and gullible people like you who fall for stupid marketing slogan rubbish like "a car that runs on air only" and believe that it is a econfriendly car, who not for a second consider where the energy comes from that compresses the air nor whether the idea to store energy in compressed makes sense at all or not. Truly pathetic, but funny!!! Hahaha ..."racist sentiments"?? Why don't you think that the best wine comes from France??

[helldamnfart]

to Guy2891, it IS possible for the car to refuel itself, however, i dont think it does so the way they were saying. It would refuel itself similarly to the way an electric or hybrid refuels itself, in that it would use regenerative braking, where the braking is done partially by running a compressor, thus using the cars kinetic energy to refill the compressed air tanks. this is similar to how a hybrid reverses the current flow to go from the motor (now a generator) to the battery.

[helldamnfart]

Id love to see what that car could do up against a Tesla Roadster! but yea, i saw the "Perpetual" motion crap on there too, and now I guess the science channel just goes and throws the laws of thermodynamics out the window... Especially the 2nd one, where entropy, or randomness of a system always increases, thus making perpetual motion, impossible. Theres also a lot of cooler and wackier free energy stuff out there, just google "free energy"

[helldamnfart]

This is retarded. I dont know about you, but i would really rather not be sitting on even 1000# of compressed air if some idiot crashed another one of those things into me. Compressed air is incredibly dangerous which is why the OSHA requirements for its storage are more stringent than those for gasoline. They should take that lightweight frame and look into linking it with Lithium Ion batteries, or hydrogen fuel cells, either of which is a better and safer way to store energy than HPA.

[OCHILALUNA]

It is about freaking time and everyone should know and promote this technology!!!

[3000gtvr4turbo1000]

i saw this on the history chan and they talk about spending a couple of minutes running a compressor dosent use shit for fuel now i didnt hear anything about perp motion on that show but the fact is this car works and there also makin a gas air hybrid

[cvstan]

Perpetual motion comments at the end make the whole deal sound ridiculous. This is an old idea that always had the problem of insufficient range. If he can get 200 miles, then there is some real progress. Keep in mind the energy to run the car comes from whatever is powering the compressor. Air is free; compressed air at 1000s of PSI is NOT free. The air is like a spring that needs to be wound up before it can do useful work.

[JK68LC]

A program to be taken serious - right up to the vision of perpetual motion, really? - silly!

The fact remains. CAT as a 'battery' solution does have huge potential. I look forward to my hybrid air car w/ onboard compressor. That makes great sense. The vision of the car refuling itself is silly at best. I can't believe the producers allowed that silly projection.

[CATvolution]

the reference to refueling itself it when you drive over 35mph, the air intake system refills the air tanks, while using a small amount of fuel to heat the air before it enters the engine.

and this video is based on the 2006 prototypes, not the 2010 North American version.

[Guy2891]

hahahaha, the car that refuels itself, that's not even possible....they're forgetting about physics

[jl112894]

that is quite possible

[MajorBurton]

no, it is quite possible- they say perpetual motion, which is impossible, but the thing that makes this car not have perpetual motion is the replacement of tires, engine parts, etc. other than that, it's completely possible, and it's been done before

[theoneagain]

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[Bizou2u]

Bonjour

a mon avis il serait bon de revoir votre copie au niveau de 4 choses : 1/ le design 2/l'insonorisation (un bon encapsulage accoustique ne ferai pas de mal ...) 3/les performances 4/le rapport "carburant"/autonomie (bien qu'on ne puisse pas vraiment appellé l'air un carburant ; 3 grosses bonbonnes pour 200 kms c'est beaucoup de place pour peu de kms

sinon au niveau du concept c'est tout simplement génial

[turbo378]

this is awesome

[RobertJohnM]

Guy Negre should be nominated the Nobel Peace prize. His innovation will have surely prevented some future war.

What a brilliant mind.Thankyou.

[commanderkruge]

That will never ever happen. Why? Because the ppl who give away the Nobel prize for sciences are SCIENTISTS who can see what's wrong with the promoted abilities of this wonder-vehicle right away... lol... Perpetual motion - SUUUUUURE!

Oy - I have a cool tower in the middle of Paris I can sell you - really cheap! Contact me over my account and we talk details!

[RobertJohnM]

You talk in a strange and conveluted language that can't be understood.

Perhaps you should wonder over to the toy section of the department store.

No one is talking perpetual motion but you.

Please try to focus on what is being presented and not try to turn the spotlight towards yourself.

[AlanMMoore]

Actually the video DOES, rather stupidly, suggest perpetual motion. Guy Negre does not, so I don't know where that idea came from. The actual tech is pretty good.

[CATvolution]

Thanks... this is all done by volunteers who want to help break through the mindset that this isn a "real car" because it doesn't use gasoline, (or pollute, cost over $20K, need 2 oil changes a year, use a ton of steel, etc etc)

Spread the word... it's a REAL CAR! 8-)

[davetileguy]

@CATvolution LOL where is it then?? moron!

[teemuruskeepaa]

Well promoted!