How much something cost based on it's importance and scope is not important? I will not call you an idiot, if I do that it would be like FOX ENTERTAINMENT. If you have no further names to call like FOX, then I respect your right, but do not disrespect mine, otherwise you become like much of our mass media. I maybe misinformed to you? But, stick your idiot up yours. My point is 9/11 should have been one of the most important Investigations of our era, instead we got what?
600,000 dollars spent on Investigation of the towers, 40,000,000 spent on the Clinton Investigation, Sex is more interesting than murder. I love my country, but I am starting to become ashamed of it since the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Perhaps we should all be on the street protesting, because it will get worse, until all these lies and corruption end, until that time I see little hope for the country of my birth.
@4390100 comparing Clinton to 911 is two different situations. Also the 911 Commission Report was granted $9 million much more than your bullshit claim of only $600,000 and that does not include what NIST spent (still trying to get an acurate figure but will only increase the $ spent). More important is your point is totally worthless. The conclusion supported by fact is what is important. How much it cost whether it was $1 or a trillion is not important it is the proven conclusion you idiot
Anyone with a fully functional brain and a general knowledge about physics would say it´s an inside job.
Why? Well it took NIST 7 years to write a report, lies take longer to manufacture then saying the truth and the fact that SEVERAL points BREAK THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.
The pancake theory has been disproven in a number of videos. We have seen STEEL pillars turn to dust mid-air aswell.
@GeneralRushHour, Where did the energy come from if it was DEWs? How was it deployed? What about the precision required for a Controlled Demolition? Who do we investigate and prosecute?
None of these questions are adequately answered with the DEW theory alone...
Even if some sort of exotic technology was used, you cannot deny that there were charges placed inside the buildings to severe key columns with precision timing.
@GeneralRushHour, So are you suggesting that energy came from a hurricane several hundreds miles offshore? That's got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard... If scientists had an effective way to harness the energy of a Tropical storm or any dynamic weather system, someone would have patented it and created a power plant already.
Yes DEWs have been used in Iraq, but not the kind you are talking about...
Prosecution isn't hard, if you have a valid theory...
"If scientists had an effective way to harness the energy of a Tropical storm or any dynamic weather system, someone would have patented it and created a power plant already."
No, if someone outside of this goverment would have done that they would have hired him and taken this info from the public.
Just look at John Hutchison´s work that is based on Tesla´s, the Canadian and American goverment took all his stuff after he declined to work with them.
@GeneralRushHour incorrect entirely. nothing breaks the laws of physics. what ACTUALLY happens is people like you who are obviously uneducated in the laws of physics continually misunderstand what they saw and conclude that 1) that cant be right, and 2) it must be CD. that is intellectually inept and to not progress past the initial assumption based on a limited understanding of physics is intellectual cowardice.
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB,EXPLOSIVES BROUGHT DOWN ALL 3 WTC TOWERS !!SO ALL YOU NAIVE,DUMB DOWNED,LITTLE SCARED BITCHES CALLED SKEPTICS NEED TO STOP DELAYING THE INEVITABLE..IT INDEED IS A CONSPIRACY,BUT NO THEORY....JUST FACTS AND MORE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS..
@CalenCarevic Sure you are. Is that why your page has suddenly become unavailable? Lmao, you better make sure your info matches the bullshit you just laid down. There is no doubt in my mind that everything you just claimed about your self is 100% garbage! Lol, too funny.
@CalenCarevic I honestly don't know whether to pity you or slap you. Unlike idiots like you I DO look at the information out there. When Scientist and facts are presented I ACCEPT them. When those things are presented to people like you, you move on to the "next" thing. The reason why noone thinks like you do is not becuase of politcal suicide you halfwit its becuase science, fatcs and common sense prevail. Please find me one thing about 9-11 that does NOT make sense. Just one please.
@11binf9 amazing that such a idiot would come from MIT.just goes to show you that MIT indeed does produce sheeps.ironic part is a controlled demolition would not of left any core columns standing,which did stand after the south tower fell.amazing this guy is using where he went to school to verify a bunch of bs,so sad.the design of the buildings,which had no concrete core,and the planes is why it happened.theres nothing to compare it to.the perimeter columns held up 60% of the load.
@CalenCarevic Lmao, you are too funny. Ofcourse YOU know the truth. You are the typical conspiracy loon. You live in moms basement, probably unemployed and truly do beleive youknow something most people don't. There are people much smarter than you with much more money and yet they cannot convince the world that 9-11 was an inside job? The Media HATES Bush and would do anything to make him look bad yet they can't seem to know this "obvious" conspiracy info that you do? You are an IDIOT!
@11binf9 I don't believe any of us really knows the truth completely, We just try to educate ourselves. Some of us like to stick our head up a bushes ass and think where weel smurt.
@GeneralRushHour Lmao you are a true idiot.I quess when all the news stations were calling bush a liar and hitler they were being told to do so? Lol are you serious? How fucking dumb are you? Because someone was not there on 9-11 thats your proof? I suppose all the people who were on the planes are in on it as well? I will fuck you up with facts while you through theories in the air hoping one will stick. Seriously, get out of your moms basement.
It´s impossible for a building to collapse faster then free fall
It´s impossible for a building to collapse AT free fall if we go by the NIST report with the pancake theory.
Break that if you can Einstein. Again, look up where Silverstein was that day and why he signed an insurance a FEW WEEKS on terror acts before it actually happened.
Seriously, Get your head out of your moms ass and stop fucking your cousin.
@GeneralRushHour Jesus you must be the dumbest fool on youtube, congrats. To say you know exactly how fast the towers fell tell me you are without a doubt a huge moron. Any retard with half a brain and the will to look at things other than conspiracy theory blogs will tell you that it did not fall at free fall speed. Only an uneducated fool would still be trying to make that claim when it is PROVVEN that it did not fall at free fall speed you IDIOT. Could you try and use some facts shithead?
@CalenCarevic Lmao., are you retarded? I am serious, were you diagnosed by someone? That is the dumbest statement I have ever seen. Oh so 1 book prooves the titanc was purposefully sunk? You are a sad and pathetic fool.
They need to stop naming these videos "conspiracy theory" and just calling them FACTS, because that's what they are, videos containing facts. The only conspiracy that took place here, was the one which was forced upon the Americans.
victims of 911 must band together and use a group of renown scientists such as jeff king to sue george bush and his cronies for crimes against humanity as well as monetary compensation.
MIT Physics vs 9/11 conspiracy ....I only watched this one episode but hither to ALL YOU'VE DONE IS PROVE THE CONSPIRACY or the plausibility thereof. Thank you.
Sorry geovs20 but you misunderstand me. I KNOW the WTC was brought down by controlled demolition. I KNOW the government did it. I KNOW no 757 Boeing jetliner crashed into the Pentagon. I KNOW that there wasn't any WMD in Iraq. What I was saying was the evidence is irrefutable towards those ends.
@wisdomtrek so if you cant say exactly whats happened you have nothing, thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard, must be sad for you debunkers even mit says you've all been duped, are you ready to wake up now?
really your still scared of the truth because it makes people look dumb, well I didnt get involved untill 06 I felt stupid also we have to move past this! This will help you move forward look up the steven jones interveiw, and see what he has PROVEN, new investigation!!!!!Inside JOB
Some things just HAPPEN. The pyramids, colosseums, Nazca lines mega structures, were built 1,000's of years ago, yet physics and all of our smartest scientist, doctors, archeologists, or ANYONE, can't explain how or why they were built. If those planes wouldn't have hit the towers or the Pentagon, do you think the building would have come down anyway or was THAT the "Master Plan"? I say the planes and fire brought them down. PERIOD. No conspiracy.
@darion65 ARE YOU KIDDING FACTS AND EVIDENCE YOU SHOULD BE REAL CAREFUL WITH THOSE TWO WORDS!!!!!!! YOU LOOK PRETTY FOOLISH SAYING THAT BULLSHIT ON THIS VIDEOS SITE!!!! ANY MORON WITH HALF A BRAIN KNOWS ITS AN INSIDE JOB YOUR EITHER TO SCARED OF THE TRUTH OR YOU WORK FOR THE GOV EITHER WAY ITS SICKINING TO SEE!
@geovs20 Who are you talking too? I was commenting on the persons comment above. If he believes fires can bring buildings down in free fall fine by me. I still like to stick with facts and evidence from that day. Progressive collapse cannot cause free fall..... period. If he wants to believe its true fine by me. He can Leeds his head in the sand for the rest of his life for all I care.
@geovs20 You could be the biggest retard on line, congrats! The only people who think it was an inside job are the sad losers still lving in their moms basement. You halfwits have not ONE fact not ONE. Your ignorance is offensive and you deserve a swift kick in the ass!
@11binf9 DOOOOO HOOOOO yEAH IM RETARDED, YOUR A FUCKING FAKE BITCH, YOU RUN AROUND SCARED, SCARED OF LIFE AND THE TRUTH, YOUR SO IGNORANT, YOU STILL MAKE UP WHAT EVER SO YOU FEEL SAFE YOU SOUND LIKE THE MORON, YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS ALL SOUND LIKE ITS SOME GUY IN A CAVE LEADING A BUNCH OF GUYS WITH BOX CUTTERS, ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING!!!!!
@geovs20 Typical response from a pathetic truther. You do understand the psychology behind truthers don't you? Its really quite funny yet sad at the same time. Its sad sacks like you who want to think that THEY really know the "truth". They are "smarter" than everyone else. Things like facts and scientific theory mean nothing to idiots like you. I will fuck you up all day long on each and every single theory you have. Now go back to moms basement where you belong.
@11binf9 Please bring it on. Facts mean noting to NIST. They ignored the fact that there wer double the bolts on the critical column in WTC 7, they ignored the sheer studs, they ignored the welds, they ignored the 2 additional girders connected to the critical column, they ignored free fall and they doubled the expansion of the steelbased on their own temperature analysis. They have not proven hot hot, how long or where the fires burned and thus have now proof how these buildings collapsed
@lexicon008 You are kidding me right? They just ignored these facts that somehow the truthers sseem to be well aware of? MIT and Purdue engineers with the exact same drawing used to build the towers missed some things? Lets pick one topic and go with that shall we? Lets start with free fall speed because your bolts and columns comments are rediculous. Free fall speed is one of my favorites. Because you are an expert engineer I will let you explain it to me.
@lexicon008 You are kidding me right? They just ignored these facts that somehow the truthers sseem to be well aware of? MIT and Purdue engineers with the exact same drawing used to build the towers missed some things? Lets pick one topic and go with that shall we? Lets start with free fall speed because your bolts and columns comments are rediculous. Free fall speed is one of my favorites. Because you are an expert engineer I will let you explain it to me.
@11binf9 Ah my uneducated one, i have a job and an education in the sciences.
Yes NIST lied about these things..heres a few for you to look up..
"The steel was assumed in the FDS model to be thermally-thin, thus, no thermal conductivity was used." NCSTAR 1-5F, p 20 - basically says that steel does not conduct heat - a complete lie..anyone with a stainless steel spoon and a stove can prove this wrong.
"In WTC 7 no studs were installed on the girders." NCSTAR 1-9, p 346
@11binf9 But according to the building drawings and a report from 1986 from John Salvarinas and even NIST themselves there were approximately 30 sheer studs on the "critical column" that they say had none.
“girder and beam temperatures were ASSUMED to be 500C and 600C respectively, and THE SLAB WAS ASSUMED TO REMAIN UNHEATED”
“The slab was not heated for the analysis”
Now if you can explain how the girders and beams managed to heat up but everything else didn't have at it
@11binf9 "Due to the effectiveness of the SFRM, the highest column temperatures in WTC 7 only reached an estimated 300 °C (570 °F), and only on the east side of the building did the floor beams reach or exceed about 600 °C." NCSTAR 1A, p 19
so how did a 300c fire cause failure of all the columns simultaneously since that is far below the weakening point of steel?
@11binf9 “temperatures of around 500C to 600C, it was found that it would take roughly 6 h of continuous exposure from a fully developed fire (gas temperatures of around 1100C) to reach these temperatures.” NCSTAR 1-9, p330
So what was burning for 6 hours when NIST says
"However, fuel oil fires did not play a role in the collapse of WTC 7." (NCSTAR 1A, p xxxii) and
"NIST increased this estimated fuel load from 4 lb/ft2 to 6.4 lb/ft2, giving a new maximum fire time of 32 minutes.
@11binf9 "The critical girder walked off its seat due to thermal expansion caused by fires of approximately 400C"
NCSTAR 1-9 p536
But in order for this girder to walk off its seat it needed to be atleast half way off its seat. The seat was 11-12 inches wide. Meaning that the girder needed to expand 5.5 inches. Since at 400 degrees the girders maximum expansion was 3.3 inches that kinda debunks NISTs claim
@lexicon008 Oh, I see, you are an engineer. I guess those dummies at MIT and Purdue must have missed that class. You can quote all the mumbo jumbo you want. I am going to tend to beleive the EXPERTS and not some online wannabe engineer. I watched experts in replicate the fire and loading and it didnt seem very difficult to decrease tensile strength under fuel fire. Its obvious you like to regurgitate info from truthers.
@11binf9 oh and what experts are those? Im directly quoting structural, mechanical and fire engineers. The evidence is directly from NIST report that shows they fabricated evidence or omitted structure, that isnt me that is them.
So purdue are experts? Well problem is all their simulations actually contradicted the NIST reports findings, so who is telling the official cause of collapse here?
@lexicon008 I know I know, those dummies at MIT and the 99% of all engineers in the world who agrre with it are the "wrong" ones. How many names would you like me to supply? How about we just google search the TOP engineers in America and see how many of them think 911 was an inside job? I will bet you a cookie not ONE of them thinks like you. But for arguments sake, how many experts would you like me to quote you halfwit?
@11binf9 Oh so you have documentation that shows 99% of the worlds engineers were asked, shown ALL the evidence and all of them agree? Please provide that for us.
I'm sure every one of them beleives that steel does not conduct heat..i'd like to see that evidence of their agreement. Because if that is true, then we have a serious problem with our engineering schools
and btw, it doesnt matter if they think it was an inside job or not..what matters is that NISTs report is supposed to be the truth about how these buildings collapsed. If they had to lie to prove their theory then their theory is wrong. i could list you a whole ton of non truthers who don't beleive NISTs report as well. I am saying a new investigation is needed because this one was hopelessly flawed and falsified.
@lexicon008 Do make your argument credible you would have to believe that the NIST engineers and expert who, unlike you and all other truthers, were AT the site, that they just couldnt figure out these simple things that you have shown me here today? They just threw it all together in the hopes that no engineers would check their work? You are either naive or stupid if thats your logic.
@11binf9 Well then explain why NIST fabricated the evidence. There is absolutely no reason to remoe those peices of structure unless your trying to weaken the building in you computer sims. Those things were there, steel does conduct heat, free fall did occur. None of that is from me, it is from the blueprints and the NIST report itself. I don't have to explain to you why they did it, they have to explain it.
Just removing the conductivity of steel disables any theory they have..cont
@11binf9 compound that with the admitted removal of the sheer studs, the bolts, the welds, the non heating of flooring and structure, the denial of free fall until a high school physics teacher proved them wrong and all the other ommissions and you have a flase report plain and simple.
Then you need to explain why if this was purely a fire thing why they ignored the most basic fire investigation guidelines from NFPA921..all in all they failed at investigation
@lexicon008 So the world, The US govt, the News media who would love to blame Bush and all the families are just dismissing what you claim are blatant lies? Listen to your logic. To claim certain things when NOONE will truly be able to give 100% accurate info is illogical. Scientific evidence and the LACK of ANY type of explosives leads any REASONABLE person to believe what EXPERTS have reported on this.
@11binf9 this is reality, not conspiracy theory. Most people who have looked at this have seen there is a problem with it. NIST refuses to update or change the report so a new investigation is needed to correct these obvious errors.
@11binf9 “The observed fire activity gleaned from the photographs and videos was not a model input”
NCSTAR 1-9, p378
basically NIST ignored the photographic and video evidence that showed there were no raging fires on the floors they needed raging fire on.
Barry jennings and Michael Hess rescued at 12:10 to 12:15 pm (Appendix L of NIST-SP 1000-5: June 2004: Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center)
@11binf9 “The observed fire activity gleaned from the photographs and videos was not a model input”
NCSTAR 1-9, p378
basically NIST ignored the photographic and video evidence that showed there were no raging fires on the floors they needed raging fire on.
Barry jennings and Michael Hess rescued at 12:10 to 12:15 pm (Appendix L of NIST-SP 1000-5: June 2004: Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center)
@11binf9 Hes and jenning both gave news interviews. Hess was interviewed at around 1130 that morning several blocks from the building. How could he give an interview several blocks away if he wasn't rescued yet?
Now as for free fall...NIST admits that there was about 2 seconds of free fall in the collapse of WTC 7, this means that approx. 8 floors of that building offered no resistance at all to the collapse. This means all the perimeter and core columns were severed.
@lexicon008 Lmao, this is your evidence? So what you are saying is that someone , somehow, rigged all of the outer columns to explode? Thats your claim? Where did you get your engineering degree from? You may want to get a refund. So now its 2 seconds of free fall and not the entire collapse? WHich is it?
@11binf9 And they were all severed simultaneously since video evidence shows that the mechanical penthouse was still being held up by the core columns right until the building started to collapse.
For free fall to have occured, none of the structure could bend, twist, push, pull, expand, contract, or do anything else but fall. Show me how that happens in a building with thousands of inteconnected steel beams, girders and columns that are not only bolted but welded together.
@11binf9 Calculations have been made that the 2 towers fell at approximately 64% of free fall. What hasn't been explained is how it managed to collapse straight down in that time. The buildings were designed to hold their maximum live and dynamic loads and then an additional 300-500% safety factor. The exterior columns were designed to hold 2000% their maximum loads. They were specifically designed to withstand a plane impact and fire. Yet there was little to no resistance to the collapse.
@lexicon008 They were? Where , anywhere, can you show me this info? NO the building was NOT designed to withstand the impact from a large commercial airliner. For an engineer you are pretty dumb. How does one design a building to withstand the impact and fire from a plane when it has NEVER happened?
John Skilling was the head structural engineer for the World Trade Center. In 1993, Skilling stated that the Towers were designed to withstand the impact and fires resulting from the collision of a large jetliner such as Boeing 707 or Douglas DC-8
"Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuelwould dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire.The building structure would still be there. . "
@11binf9 The buildings have been investigated and found to be safe in an assumed collision with a large jet airliner (Boeing 707—DC 8) traveling at 600 miles per hour. Analysis indicates that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact. - City in the Sky, Times Books, Henry Hold and Company, LLC, 2003, page 131
@lexicon008 So what about the empire state building? That has no relation to what happened at WTC. I also remember the designers of the titanic saying it was unsinkable. For an engineer you seem to forget that you CANNOT design for every circumstance.
@11binf9 LMAO the empire state building crash was what prompted the designers of the towers to build them specifically for an airplane impact. They significantly over engineered the structure so that
" a Tower would still be able to withstand a 100-mile-per-hour wind after all the perimeter columns on one face and some of the columns on each adjacent face had been cut."- City in the Sky, Times Books ..., , page 133
@lexicon008 you need to remember that they wrote a 10000 page report...most people probably haven't even sen or read it, they heard the finding in the news or on some website and took it to be gospel. When you actually look at the report and see the obvious falsification and ignoring of evidence its now a problem that needs to be corrected.
@lexicon008 What is the logical explanation then? You cannot rebuild the building and do it again. The building was hit by large commercial airliners, burned and collapsed. There is absolutely 100% proof that it was NOT a controlled demolition. So correcting what you call errors in the report will do what? Its typical psychology of truthers to believe they "know" something that everyboday does not and that they are not being"fooled".
@11binf9 well for one it will allow the people building these structures to know what did and what didn't cause the collapse. If there was some fundemental design flaw in teh buildings then NISTs report should have found it and fized it. But since they didn't use proper investigation, falsified evidence and basically made a mockery of this, any buildings that use a similar design will be in danger won't they.
@11binf9 If this was a controlled demo, then all the evidence for it has been destroyed since no one followed proper procedure and insisted that the steel be saved. 99.5% of the steel was destroyed before any investigation. This is not only a violation of the most basic fire investigation procedures it is a violation of state and federal evidence laws.
But who cares, gotta kill all those goat herders and poppy growers dont we.
Dontactually look and see if we are doing it for the right reason
@11binf9 Oh and for the record, there is ample evidence that supports atleast the investigation for explosives. You have audio and video evidence supporting it, eye witness testimony from atleast 118 fire fighters, police, paramedics and others, you have a highly improbable collapse sequence in not 1 but 3 steel framed skyscrapers in 1 day. I mean hell this was supposedly a terrorist attack wasnt it? Why would you not believe that maybe they had truck bombs and such that were used?
@11binf9 i mean what is the problem with looking? NIST flat out refused to even entertain the idea that explosives were used. They admit they never even looked for evidence of it. Why? It is part of the most basic fire investigation procedures for high order building collapse and i think we can agree that there was definitely a high order collapse here.
But no, they dont even look, in fact they vehemently deny the possibility. Why? It's no skin off their nose if they find it. so why not look??
@11binf9 Here is a simple thing for you to think about...if the dust samples do not contain thermite/thermate or whatever, then why won't NIST test them? Are they now saying that it was planted? So about a dozen people from different parts of the city who don't know each other and have never met all decided to plant some brand new highly volatile material into the dust samples, and tehy also had the foresight to add in iron microspheres and somehow make molten metal appear in the collapses?
@11binf9 that they somehow out of the blue made bright orange red metal pour out of the exact spots that collapsed in the tower, metal that cannot be aluminum and should not be there in the fire temperature they say occured. These people somehow decided that they would give up their lives and careers to try and prove that a report that is obviously flawed needs to be redone.
@11binf9 "THE BUILDING AS DESIGNED IS 16x STIFFER THAN A CONVENTIONAL STRUCTURE." - Richard Roth, partner at Emery Roth & Sons
The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It does nothing to the screen netting. - Frank Demartini
@lexicon008 I am curious. Every video I have seen shows the outer walls hitting the ground way before the towers. How can that be if they were all falling at free fall speed? How did the South towers core stay intact for a few seconds AFTER the outer columns fell? Get out of moms basement and get a job.
@Asylumwillgetyou Better yet, explanin these 2 things. Originally NIST proposed the pancake theory of collapse. That the floors collapsed and pancaked downward. This was taken up by NOVA and popular mechanics and all sorts of "experts". Silverstein and Co how ever dismissed that theory and came up with the inward bowing theory. All of a sudden, NIST just drops the pancake theory like a brick and hops onto the inward bowing theory...why? NIST employes hundreds of scientists..cont
@Asylumwillgetyou and they are now dropping their theory (which was plausible) to follow silversteins theory.Then they spend years trying to prove that theory and find that it just can't be done without altering reality, but they continue to endorse it and fight for it. Why? The most simple explanation is that if they didn't and Silverstein didn't win his insurance law suit (and if NIST proved him wrong he would have lost) then he loses his billions in insurance and might blow the whistle.cont
@Asylumwillgetyou Then there is the saga of WTC 7. Why was it abandoned almost an hour before it was in any danger or even damaged (according to the official story). Picture this, you have a building with a state of the art OEM EOC int that should be where all the heads of the various agencies involved in 911 should be commanding thier troops per se. Yet It is found completely abandoned an hour before and people are warned to get out of the building..why?
@Asylumwillgetyou So is it standard proceedure now to evacuate perfectly safe buildings? Who made that decision? If this perfectly safe building should be evacuated then why on earth did they put their command for fire and police and such right in the damn lobby of the towers. This makes zero sense if you have any inkling that this building is going to collapse. So on the one hand, we have a safe, undamaged building abandoned, and on the other, a command post inside a supposedly obvious...cont
@Asylumwillgetyou impending collapse. I mean if you read some of the official story guys it was a no brainer this would happen (how they can make that claim when it has never happened is beyond me). Look at Chief Palmer who ran all the way to the floor 78 and said you could probably put out the fires with 2 lines. Do you think this guy with his experience and knowledge would do that if he felt the whole structure would implode?
The devil is in the details and you need to do some more reading..
@Asylumwillgetyou Try to explain why, if this was just a fire and planes, NIST felt they had to remove half the bolts holding the girders to the columns. Why they removed the sheer studs. Why they removed the thermal conductivity of steel (a physical impossiblity without a complete rewrite of universal laws). Why even they admit the fuel loads could only sustain a 20-32 minute fire in any location but they then claim they burned over 3 hours..why?..simple..cont
@Asylumwillgetyou because they had to overcome the 3+ hours of fire proofing that was in place in the building. If the fires didn't brun for over 3 hours then the steel would not be exposed to enough temperature to expand and thus no collapse. But then we have to explain how the steel in the towers sagged when heated and put under weight, yet the steel in WTC miraculously remained solid but expanded, not sagging, under load. If it sagged in WTC 7 then again we have no collapse..cont
@Asylumwillgetyou Then you must explain how the linear expansion of the steel somehow exceeded its physical maximum. According to physics the steel would expand a maximum of 2.5-5 inches in total length. This means that somehow the column that was pushed off its seat by the girder that expanded was only on that seat 2.6 to 5.1 inches. This is ridiculous and completely unprovable since no one saw this. It's a flight of phantasy. It's a computer simulation that they won't release for review..cont
@Asylumwillgetyou because if they know if they do people will see the fudging with numbers that went on to prove this theory.
NFPA guidelines specifically state that in a high order collapse you must consider explosives and accelerants as a cause of collapse, expecially if you have molten metal and pulverized concrete. Did NIST follow these guidelines? Nope, just ignored anything that even pointed in that direction and called it all conspiracy theory.
@lexicon008 what a lie, look up the steven jones interview that PROVES nano thermite was used, stop being so scared of the truth, the gov. lies to you daily, if your girlfreind lies to you do you let her stay in your house???????????
@lexicon008 SORRY WHAT AN ASS I AM, I WILL BE CAREFUL NEXT TIME SRY DUDE AGAIN. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING SOME BALLS TO STAND UP!! ILL BE DAMNED IF MY GENERATION IS GOING TO BE LAUGHED AT BECAUSE WE WERE DUPED AND DID NOTHING THE INTERNET MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A REAL IMPACT, I LOVE PROVING THE SCARED ASS SHEEPLING JUST HOW BRAINWASHED THEY ARE! IM PROUD OF THIS COUNTRY WHEN I SEE PEOPLE LIKE LEXICON008, SERIOUSLY MAN YOUR THE REAL AMERICAN, IT IS PATRIOTIC TO QUESTION THIS GOVERMENT!
@geovs20 Lmao, thats your proof? You must be legally retarded. One truther goof finds "something" in the dust that hundreds of thousands of people missed and thats your proof? You make me sad knowing you are stealing my oxygen.
@Asylumwillgetyou so what are we left with, NIST ignores NFPA guidelines, they leave their original theory and jump onto a theory that requires them to alter real world test results by 10x and agree with a guy seeking insurance money. They have to remove structural supports and physical properties of materials. All of these things to prove a theory that supposedly should be easy to prove if it was only planes and fire.
@lexicon008 Tower 7 was severely damaged by debris from the other towers. Large fires weakened vital support columns. The damages columns could not support the weight of a 47 story building and it collapsed.
@TimothyRaymond1 sorry wrong again.."Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7." NCSTAR 1A, p xxxii
And there is no such thing as a "vital support column" in a building with 25 core and 58 perimeter columns. There is not 1 or 2 single columns that can cause the whole thing to fall if they fail. There are literally thousands of interconnections to prevent this
@TimothyRaymond1 Conspiracy theorists argue that fire didn't bring down the buildings, fire has never brought down any steel framed tower except apparently these 3 buildings all in one day. The twin towers were specifically designed to withstand planes impacting them.
i watch hollywood movies and the way the twin towers went down, looked very similar to to many hollywood movie explosions.this is my opinion not fact.also building 7 looked like a traditional building demolition. which is also just my opinion since facts mean nothing when anything is labeled a conspiracy by the media.
@lexicon008, How do you suggest they get their man or men?
What about the terrorists? Is it fair for them to blow up a few innocent people? Hundreds, Thousands? In a terrorist act, they don't target one person (pick one) their plan is to kill as many innocent people as they can and sometimes even themselves. When an example like yours happens, heads roll and those who committed the error pay for their wrong. Taking out targets that can harm the WORLD is another story.
@Asylumwillgetyou this isn't about whats fair..what a ridiculous statement..there is no..oh they killed some of ours so we should be able to kill them, their neighbours, their city and anyone else who happens to be strolling by and well anyone else we decide to..as long as we get them..which for 10 years they didn't.
You act like this should be a playground fight..he took my toy so i should get his..so much for the moral high ground..do you really think this will in any way end the war?
@Asylumwillgetyou this war has been going on for 10 years and now they are wanting to start an even bigger war with pakistan..a fucking nuclear nation..this will cause 10's of millions of dead and for what..to say we are fighting a war on terrorism that will never be won unless the entire world is dead??? They have no clue how many terrorist cells there are, their numbers, where they are..nothing..these are guesses and millions are dying uselessly because of it.
@Asylumwillgetyou this isn't like WW1 or WW2..germany started it..we bomb germany..this war wasn't started by afghanistan or pakistan or any other country..it was started by a group of INDIVIDUALS..you can't simply attack every single country who might have a cell..that is just asking for a world war of unprecidented scale..hope you have a bomb shelter if that happens because you wont be safe anywhere if the nukes start flying.
@lexiconn008. I can't disagree with that at all. The US will invade, spy, fight, kill, and even help in ANY country in the world. The talking heads must know why. The difference between the US and the terrorists is that the US does not take aim at innocent people. Civilians and the innocent are killed by our country, trying to take out BAD people, not as targets. Stir the pot? Terrorists have one mission in life, to take you, me and everybody in between OUT!!!
@Asylumwillgetyou So your argument is that it is acceptable to kill innocent people to get the bad guy? So i suppose if the police break down your door, shoot up your house and kill your family and realize after that it was the wrong house you will simply shake their hands and thanks them for going after the bad guy?
There is no justification for killing the innocent to find or kill the guilty. They may not be targets per se but they are in the line of fire.
@lexicon008, All the reports (right or wrong, truth or not) seem to be pointing in the direction of Bin Laden and his terrorist Al Qaeda groups as the culprits not only to 9-11 but future destructions on our land. This evil man was driven to kill Americans. Women, children, innocent people were targets for him, because we are infidels in their eyes. Well, now only one eye for Bin Laden.
@Asylumwillgetyou Did you ever wonder why? Look at how many innocent women and children have died in afghanistan and iraq as a result of the wars started by the US. what is it..over a million now? Is that really worth the life of 1 man?
I find it funny that the gov's say how much they want to stop terrorism yet they proceed to taunt them constantly with reports of porn in OBL lair and anything else they can do to stir the pot. Let it rest for christ sakes..they don't need more reasons to hate
How crazy do the Navy Seals and everyone else involved in the mission to slay Bin Laden have to be, to be brain washed by Obama? Don't you think it's going off the deep on that thought? Is everyone in politics corrupt?
Why don't you take a few steps back, take a deep breath and try to reason with your thinking. For a long while, I read your posts and respected what you wrote. This is really of the wall.
@Asylumwillgetyou My friend, you assume there actually was a mission carried out by the seals. All we have is multiple discrepencies as to who, what, when and why this happened. For all we know this had nothing to do with the seals. They obviously aren't going to come out and grandstand. To do so would be completely against all they do.
The unfortunate thing here is that if this was real, it should be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but instead its been a bungled mess.
@Asylumwillgetyou To be honest, i liked Obama, i thought he might actually be able to change things for the better, but he turns out to just be another politician who says one thing and does the opposite. He hasn't changed anything really. In some ways he's made them worse. The country was on such a high when he was elected and now it's on an even deeper low then before. It's sad really. I just find the timing of this event and conflicting stories from his own people suspicious. I hope im wrong
@Asylumwillgetyou As for corruption in politics, unfortunately there are so many lobbyists in the political game that there are few politicians who aren't on someones payroll. It costs tens of thousands of dollars to run for lower offices and millions for president. Most aren't paying their own way so eventually someone will come to collect the bill.
As Lincoln once said when he was called upon by all the people he had promised posts.."there's too many pigs for the tits"
One thing I can't understand is how naive some of our Americans are. Regardless of what comes out of Washington, the Navy Seals went in and took out Bin Laden. Their effort is being put to the side by many saying that Bin Laden is still alive. This is plain ignorance, ridiculing, and undermining their job well done. It is offensive to me, let alone everyone who every one involved in the entire plan.
@Asylumwillgetyou Where did you see me say obam was part of 911? Im more inclinde to believe that if this is a hoax it is due to him having issues about the birth certificate and his approval rating being in the toilet then voila..we killed bin laden, but we wont release his death photo, we are given false info that is contradicted by his own CIA cheif and now we are shown videos that are atleast 5 years old. Whats next?
@Asylumwillgetyou Are you absolutely sure they actually went in and killed him? I mean do you honestly beleive that the US has never faked something to acheive a political goal? I mean why not show the death photos, they paraded husseins sons all over the tv, we've seen others supposedly killed, why not bin laden? As i have said to you before, these efforts to hide information from the public only allow conspiracy theories to happen. It's like they want them.
@Asylumwillgetyou "Are you and the truthers the only ones with insight?" Actually no, there are members of some pretty high ranking UN councils and departments asking some pretty pointed questions about whether this attack is true and if it was was it a violation of international law. These aren't truthers, these are international lawyers and UN officials. There are alot of questions here and they aren't being asked by the truthers alone. There are too many discrepencies going on.
@lexicon008 So, are you telling me that Obama was involved in the 9-11 conspiracy too? Where does this end? Are you and the truthers the only ones with insight? I say this much. Our government needs to keep intelligence to themselves. If they start handing out information to anyone, repercussions will slap them in the face. I am satisfied with what we have. They hold all the aces and pass the low cards out. That's the way IT HAS TO BE.
@lexicon008 and truthers, what are your thoughts now about 9-11, since Bin Laden has been put to rest? All of these politicians (Obama, Clinton, Republicans, Democrats, together) couldn't have been behind the "conspiracy theories" that I have read here. Coverup? Does it really make sense? Bin Laden has been taken out and now we have to deal with his fanatics that will try to carry our his work, killing INNOCENT people.
@Asylumwillgetyou Well look at what is going on now. there is evidence (including the actual statements from the rebel leader) that al qaeda is part of the rebel army in libya. If this is so then the US is supporting alqaeda in libya. Bin ladin is dead, but why is there so many changes in the story. Firsts hes armed, then he isnt then he resisted then ... The story is so convoluted it's ridiculous. You have the white house saying they watched it happen and photos showing them looking shocked..
@Asylumwillgetyou then the CIA cheif comes on and says well no they saw nothing because the live feed went dead for 30 minutes. You have them saying they dont want to release photos of bin laden because they are too graphic but they release photos of others in the compound?? They claim they had DNA evidence but it takes a minimum of 18 hours to get a result.
There are also members of the UN questioning whether this was even a legal action.
No, I've never stated that my words were facts, just experience from work. You are the one posting so called facts and in reality, they are theories, must like mine.
@Asylumwillgetyou sigh...ok let me rephrase..you said "no facts just interesting points"..ok what facts would you like?
As for your theories..you claim fire and plane impacts caused this..Ok, i will ask again..how hot did the fires get? where were the fires? how long did they burn? how much of the steel was actually weakened? How many were actually taken out by the planes? You may say that you can't answer that since you weren't there..and i would agree with you..cont
@Asylumwillgetyou But NIST..the official guys..simply made up answers to these questions..they assumed fires weaken steel..they assumed certain amounts of beams were destroyed..they assumed fire burned for certain amounts of time and in certain locations..They assumed alot..and why was that? Because 99% of the evidence was destroyed long before they started. So they made a computer sim based on unprovable assumptions and claimed it was fact. They still won't say how the towers actually collapsed
@Asylumwillgetyou they claim it was inevitable at some point? how can they make this claim when NO steel framed skyscraper in history has ever collapsed due to fire and or plane impact. You certainly can't make a claim like this without a detailed knowledge of the actual damage and they didn't have that...did they?
Their own commissioned experiments showed that the trusses would not collapse in fires much hotter and longer..so how can you claim fire cause the collapse?
@Asylumwillgetyou ok yes beams and columns got broken..but how many..how much load was transferred to the remaining beams and columns..these towers had built in redundancy and overload capacity of atleast 3x live and dynamic loads. They were designed to have all the columns on one side removed and then have the building subjected to a 100mph wind and still stand. People were standing in and passed by the impact points and werent melted by steel weakening temperatures..so what caused the collapse
@lexicon008 and that is just wtc 1 and 2..7 wasn't hit by planes..it was supposedly hit by debris..and this caused the fires and the collapse through some miraculous new mechanism..again a completely unprovable one since all the debris was removed and destroyed. But they can make up a sim and use anecdotal evidence to say that it happened and end of story right...wrong..go look at their sim for the collapse and compare it to the actual collapse..they look nothing alike..no biggie though right
@Asylumwillgetyou but oh well...lets just all take their unprovable word for it and move on...lets not look into why it happened and find out if it was more then what we were told..lets not worry about the wars that have been started because of this..the lives lost, the freedoms lost and those that will be lost in the future if this was more then just a terrorist attack..lets all just bury our heads in the sand and hope we aren't in the next building that no one will care about getting blown up
@lexicon008, yes very interesting points you bring out, no facts just interesting points. You could easily write a book about all the interesting points you bring out. Is it impossible that the towers came down because of the impact and fire?
Oh by the way, you posted that you had been to hundreds of fires. In almost every state that I know of, no one other than firefighters are permitted inside. Do you have special passes that allows you to get in?
@Asylumwillgetyou ' Is it impossible that the towers came down because of the impact and fire'' given the sheer number of beams/columns/joints/wleds and other structural components that would have had to fail in not 1 but 3 buildings to cause a near free fall collapse..ik would have to say that it is highly improbably leading to impossible.
And yes, i have been to hundreds of fires..have i gone into them..not in all cases..i have been there as part of the support team, rehab and extrication
@Asylumwillgetyou also consider there are hundreds of engineers and such out there and not a single one can give an example of a steel framed skyscraper that has completely collapsed due to fire and or plane impact before or after 911. Yet we are to beleive that 3 collapsed on the same day in the same place due to these factors. You might aruge this is possible, but keep in mind that we are talking 2 different types of building structure and again..why no proper investigation if they did
@Asylumwillgetyou you keep talking about facts..what facts would you like? Thousands of engineers, physicists, firefighters, police, government officials, pilots and who knows what else say this was not a realistic scenario. That these buildings could not collapse as they did. That something else was involved here. Terrorists can't cause a structure to violate the laws of physics at will. Yes people mistake things, imagine things and hell even make them up thats why we investigate properly
I wonder if ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani was part of the conspiracy cover-up? What do you say? By the way, did you see the re-runs on the attack on the Pentagon and Giuliani's, New York last night? Have you guys ever been to an accident and everyone has a different story about what happened? They'll blame each other, swear both had the green light. When the attack occurred, people talked about what they think they saw. Most of the time being totally wrong. Get the message?
@Asylumwillgetyou Well let me ask you this, who told Rudy that the buildings were going to collapse? Why weren't others warned? Why was he not in his super secure ultra built OEM? According to NIST it was not affected until the collapses of WTC1 and 2 so why wasn't he there? Why did he, a former prosecutor who knows the penalty for destruction and tampering of evidence in a crime, allow the debris to be removed and destroyed before an investigation could occur?
@Asylumwillgetyou How much has this guy made money wise since 911. He ran a security consultation company didnt he. Ran for president. Made millions since.
Was he part of the conspiracy? Maybe..hard to rule him out when he was responsible for the destruction of evidence. Even the 911 commission admits they went too soft on him during their investigation. Funny how no one has been able to get him to say who told him that the buildings were going to collapse. Whats to hide?
@Asylumwillgetyou and to answer your question..yes..there is an old saying..there is your side..my side and then there is the truth. Your side, fire which has never toppled a skyscraper before somehow manages to cause 3 complete collapses of 3 skyscrapers in 1 day. That eventhough people from various disciplines and jobs all claim they heard explosions in and out of the buildings and videos back this up, NO investigation into explosives was done other then to rule out 1 specific explosive
@Asylumwillgetyou official story claims that all these buildings somehow managed to collapse at near free fall speed with little or no resistance from the undamaged structures. That evidence in the dust pointing to certain types of explosive are just ignored. They claim fires hot enough to weaken steel were present in these buildings yet people were seen at the impact sites or managed to walk past these spots with no reports of roaring fires hot enough to weaken steel without burning the people
@Asylumwillgetyou They then remove all the steel and debris from the site, either ship it overseas to be destroyed or recycle it before it can be fully investigated. These buildings were designed to resist plane impacts and fire. I for 1 would like to know why they collapsed so it can be prevented. But no, lets remove the only means of figuring this out immediately so that we can only speculate.
No one expected these buildings to collapse completely, yet Rudy is told they will..by who?
@Asylumwillgetyou Interesting isn't it that 2 major investigations, the pentagon budgets funds and worldcoms SEC evidence, were both destroyed that day. Trillions of dollars go missing and the evidence needed to find it goes poof when a plane hits the pentagon and wtc7 collapses.
Bush then starts 2 wars based on the conspiracy theory that Bin laden, afghans and iraq caused 911. Yet they show no proof of this to this day. Millions have died becuase of this.
@Asylumwillgetyou Now what do you see..naked body scanners that use huge amounts of radiation, invasive pat downs, homeland security at walmart and the super bowl, the patriot act, multiple executive orders that allow the president to ignore congress and do whatever he wants whenever he wants. Senior Al queda members dining at the pentagon post 911. NIST putting out reports that try to justify the collapses using bogus science and computer sims that are blatantly false.
@Asylumwillgetyou Ask yourself this question..isnt it convenient that the plane hit the pentagon. It was almost an hour since the trade towers were hit yet no one is able to stop it? It's interesting that at the exact moment they need a shoot down order from Bush the phone system goes dead. It's interesting that Cheney denies being in the presidential bunker before the plane hit yet Minetta testifies under oath that he was. there is a lot of smoke screens and coincidences going on here
@Asylumwillgetyou Isnt it interesting that at the very time the secretary of defense should be in a bunker or command center defending his country, he is helping carry casualties on the pentagon lawn. OH but he didnt need to be defending his country because Dick cheney, for the first time in US history, is in charge of NORAD.
Interesting isnt it that the secret service rushes cheney to a bunker yet they let bush sit in a classroom. They claim he wasn't under threat..really..how do they know?
@Asylumwillgetyou Stop fixating on 1 issue at a time and look at the over all picture. The coincidences are astounding. Statistics gurus would tell you that the odds of all these things going as they did at the same time are, well, astronomically unlikely. 4 planes hijacked with not 1 hijack code, none go off course, and guys who reportedly can't fly a cessna can fly a jumbo jet. They they apparently dissappear from radar until just before they hit their targets.
@Asylumwillgetyou Silverstein takes over the lease that summer, insures the towers against terrorist attacks and low and behold a couple months later terrorists take out 2 of his buildings and a third just falls down on its own. 2 buildings that were going to cost him billions in clean up costs due to asbestos yet now are destroyed and cleaned up at taxpayer expense and he gets to build 3 brand new buildings and make a bunch of cash. What an amazing stroke of luck huh.
Oh, by the way, I think that Jeff King is an idiot. You can't mix and match bullcrap and try to solve a puzzle. By the way, wish us luck when we play football against the Border Patrol. We have demolished the Police Department in basketball and football (Guns & Hoses) four years in a row and smoked the Border Patrol in boxing the last two years. They now challenged us to football and we play on the 14th of April.
You've been to many, many accidents involving fatalities, severe injuries and so on. How long do the Police take to clear the area once they've done their investigation? Same goes for planes that crash. (been there done that). Their investigation is done afterwards and somewhere else. Did it take a few hours or days to clear "ground zero"? I don't think so. My brother was there and I have on scene pictures and video from the same week of the attack. Shot by my brother, not from the media.
@Asylumwillgetyou you completely miss the point again..lets say someone dies and they need to do an autopsy..do they save the heart then cremate the body before the autopsy or do they autopsy the whole body? The answer should be obvious. Now look what they did here..3 buildings collapse..they take 99% of the steel and recycle it before any official investigation starts then give us the lame, computer sim based, half assed answers from NIST. Really?
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themanningsjdsjjj 1 month ago
How much something cost based on it's importance and scope is not important? I will not call you an idiot, if I do that it would be like FOX ENTERTAINMENT. If you have no further names to call like FOX, then I respect your right, but do not disrespect mine, otherwise you become like much of our mass media. I maybe misinformed to you? But, stick your idiot up yours. My point is 9/11 should have been one of the most important Investigations of our era, instead we got what?
4390100 2 months ago
600,000 dollars spent on Investigation of the towers, 40,000,000 spent on the Clinton Investigation, Sex is more interesting than murder. I love my country, but I am starting to become ashamed of it since the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Perhaps we should all be on the street protesting, because it will get worse, until all these lies and corruption end, until that time I see little hope for the country of my birth.
4390100 2 months ago
@4390100 comparing Clinton to 911 is two different situations. Also the 911 Commission Report was granted $9 million much more than your bullshit claim of only $600,000 and that does not include what NIST spent (still trying to get an acurate figure but will only increase the $ spent). More important is your point is totally worthless. The conclusion supported by fact is what is important. How much it cost whether it was $1 or a trillion is not important it is the proven conclusion you idiot
12weasel100 2 months ago
Anyone with a fully functional brain and a general knowledge about physics would say it´s an inside job.
Why? Well it took NIST 7 years to write a report, lies take longer to manufacture then saying the truth and the fact that SEVERAL points BREAK THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.
The pancake theory has been disproven in a number of videos. We have seen STEEL pillars turn to dust mid-air aswell.
My theory is DEW, Direct Energy Weapons.
GeneralRushHour 3 months ago 4
@GeneralRushHour, Where did the energy come from if it was DEWs? How was it deployed? What about the precision required for a Controlled Demolition? Who do we investigate and prosecute?
None of these questions are adequately answered with the DEW theory alone...
Even if some sort of exotic technology was used, you cannot deny that there were charges placed inside the buildings to severe key columns with precision timing.
WarCrime911 3 months ago
@WarCrime911 The energy source? Hurricane Erin.
Check where it was on the day of 9/11 and which day it was strongest.... that´s right 9th of September.
It sat just outside manhattan and was massive yet no news sites really reported on it in the way other hurricanes reported in it.
Prosecute? Well that´s where it gets hard. All we know is that the towers did not went down by themselves or from fire or from two planes.
DEW´s have been used in Iraq aswell but as a black project.
GeneralRushHour 3 months ago
@GeneralRushHour, So are you suggesting that energy came from a hurricane several hundreds miles offshore? That's got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard... If scientists had an effective way to harness the energy of a Tropical storm or any dynamic weather system, someone would have patented it and created a power plant already.
Yes DEWs have been used in Iraq, but not the kind you are talking about...
Prosecution isn't hard, if you have a valid theory...
WarCrime911 3 months ago
@WarCrime911 I am yes.
"If scientists had an effective way to harness the energy of a Tropical storm or any dynamic weather system, someone would have patented it and created a power plant already."
No, if someone outside of this goverment would have done that they would have hired him and taken this info from the public.
Just look at John Hutchison´s work that is based on Tesla´s, the Canadian and American goverment took all his stuff after he declined to work with them.
GeneralRushHour 3 months ago
@WarCrime911 Regarding DEW´s, you have no idea what types they have been working on in Iraq.
You don´t know how far they have gotten in development aswell.
Prosecution IS HARD when you are dealing with a Goverment that basically runs your life.
They will take your prosecution and throw it in the bin.
GeneralRushHour 3 months ago
@GeneralRushHour
Prosecute for fraud. This theft of trillions by fraud.
themanningsjdsjjj 1 month ago
@themanningsjdsjjj won´t be possible though. Only way to take down a government is by crashing it.
Trying to go the legal way won´t change anything because it´s the government that takes care of the paper work.
GeneralRushHour 1 month ago
@GeneralRushHour incorrect entirely. nothing breaks the laws of physics. what ACTUALLY happens is people like you who are obviously uneducated in the laws of physics continually misunderstand what they saw and conclude that 1) that cant be right, and 2) it must be CD. that is intellectually inept and to not progress past the initial assumption based on a limited understanding of physics is intellectual cowardice.
Tommygb21 1 month ago
@Tommygb21 NIST REPORT BREAKS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.
GeneralRushHour 1 month ago
@GeneralRushHour lol...no it doesnt. fuckin re-re.
Tommygb21 1 month ago
@Tommygb21 Yes it does, on many occasions....
GeneralRushHour 1 month ago
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9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB,EXPLOSIVES BROUGHT DOWN ALL 3 WTC TOWERS !!SO ALL YOU NAIVE,DUMB DOWNED,LITTLE SCARED BITCHES CALLED SKEPTICS NEED TO STOP DELAYING THE INEVITABLE..IT INDEED IS A CONSPIRACY,BUT NO THEORY....JUST FACTS AND MORE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS..
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JahElJah 4 months ago
@CalenCarevic Sure you are. Is that why your page has suddenly become unavailable? Lmao, you better make sure your info matches the bullshit you just laid down. There is no doubt in my mind that everything you just claimed about your self is 100% garbage! Lol, too funny.
11binf9 4 months ago
@CalenCarevic I honestly don't know whether to pity you or slap you. Unlike idiots like you I DO look at the information out there. When Scientist and facts are presented I ACCEPT them. When those things are presented to people like you, you move on to the "next" thing. The reason why noone thinks like you do is not becuase of politcal suicide you halfwit its becuase science, fatcs and common sense prevail. Please find me one thing about 9-11 that does NOT make sense. Just one please.
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 amazing that such a idiot would come from MIT.just goes to show you that MIT indeed does produce sheeps.ironic part is a controlled demolition would not of left any core columns standing,which did stand after the south tower fell.amazing this guy is using where he went to school to verify a bunch of bs,so sad.the design of the buildings,which had no concrete core,and the planes is why it happened.theres nothing to compare it to.the perimeter columns held up 60% of the load.
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@CalenCarevic Lmao, you are too funny. Ofcourse YOU know the truth. You are the typical conspiracy loon. You live in moms basement, probably unemployed and truly do beleive youknow something most people don't. There are people much smarter than you with much more money and yet they cannot convince the world that 9-11 was an inside job? The Media HATES Bush and would do anything to make him look bad yet they can't seem to know this "obvious" conspiracy info that you do? You are an IDIOT!
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 I don't believe any of us really knows the truth completely, We just try to educate ourselves. Some of us like to stick our head up a bushes ass and think where weel smurt.
thechangeling613 4 months ago
@11binf9 Media hates Bush? THE GOVERMENT OWNS THE MEDIA you fuckin lunatic.
The NIST report BREAKS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. END OF STORY!
GeneralRushHour 3 months ago
@GeneralRushHour Lmao, what a complete retard! Ya, the media loves Bush. You are either flat out being stupid or you truly are an ignorant fool.
11binf9 3 months ago
@11binf9 Yes they do. Had they really been independent they would have unravelled this Inside Job a long time ago.
But they don´t because the Goverment OWNS the media.
You are the ignorant little fuck that can´t even realise that it was an inside job!
Could you tell me where Silverstein, his son and daughter were on 9/11?
They were ALL SUPPOSED TO GO TO WORK THAT DAY.
Then you can read some more and realise that Silverstein made BILLIONS on 9/11.
GeneralRushHour 3 months ago
@GeneralRushHour Lmao you are a true idiot.I quess when all the news stations were calling bush a liar and hitler they were being told to do so? Lol are you serious? How fucking dumb are you? Because someone was not there on 9-11 thats your proof? I suppose all the people who were on the planes are in on it as well? I will fuck you up with facts while you through theories in the air hoping one will stick. Seriously, get out of your moms basement.
11binf9 3 months ago
@11binf9 NIST report breaks the LAWS OF PHYSICS.
It´s impossible for a building to collapse faster then free fall
It´s impossible for a building to collapse AT free fall if we go by the NIST report with the pancake theory.
Break that if you can Einstein. Again, look up where Silverstein was that day and why he signed an insurance a FEW WEEKS on terror acts before it actually happened.
Seriously, Get your head out of your moms ass and stop fucking your cousin.
GeneralRushHour 3 months ago
@GeneralRushHour Jesus you must be the dumbest fool on youtube, congrats. To say you know exactly how fast the towers fell tell me you are without a doubt a huge moron. Any retard with half a brain and the will to look at things other than conspiracy theory blogs will tell you that it did not fall at free fall speed. Only an uneducated fool would still be trying to make that claim when it is PROVVEN that it did not fall at free fall speed you IDIOT. Could you try and use some facts shithead?
11binf9 3 months ago
@11binf9 Jesus? Oh shit i´m talking to a religious person.... Well that confirms that you indeed are an idiot.
Listen up fucktard. The NIST report (which took 7 years to produce, put together by "experts") said it. Not me.
And if you actually took the time and did some research instead of believeing whatever it is since you don´t even believe the Official report on 9/11.
Go do some searching it´s clear you are a lost human being.
GeneralRushHour 3 months ago
@CalenCarevic Lmao., are you retarded? I am serious, were you diagnosed by someone? That is the dumbest statement I have ever seen. Oh so 1 book prooves the titanc was purposefully sunk? You are a sad and pathetic fool.
11binf9 4 months ago
They need to stop naming these videos "conspiracy theory" and just calling them FACTS, because that's what they are, videos containing facts. The only conspiracy that took place here, was the one which was forced upon the Americans.
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victims of 911 must band together and use a group of renown scientists such as jeff king to sue george bush and his cronies for crimes against humanity as well as monetary compensation.
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MIT Physics vs 9/11 conspiracy ....I only watched this one episode but hither to ALL YOU'VE DONE IS PROVE THE CONSPIRACY or the plausibility thereof. Thank you.
Sorry geovs20 but you misunderstand me. I KNOW the WTC was brought down by controlled demolition. I KNOW the government did it. I KNOW no 757 Boeing jetliner crashed into the Pentagon. I KNOW that there wasn't any WMD in Iraq. What I was saying was the evidence is irrefutable towards those ends.
wisdomtrek 5 months ago
steven jones nano thermite!!!!!!!!
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wisdomtrek 5 months ago
@wisdomtrek so if you cant say exactly whats happened you have nothing, thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard, must be sad for you debunkers even mit says you've all been duped, are you ready to wake up now?
really your still scared of the truth because it makes people look dumb, well I didnt get involved untill 06 I felt stupid also we have to move past this! This will help you move forward look up the steven jones interveiw, and see what he has PROVEN, new investigation!!!!!Inside JOB
geovs20 5 months ago
and einstein rolls in his grave
daveygravey123456 6 months ago
adjusting your eyeglasses every minute is distracting, if not annoying. Get new ones please.
akmrmike 6 months ago
Some things just HAPPEN. The pyramids, colosseums, Nazca lines mega structures, were built 1,000's of years ago, yet physics and all of our smartest scientist, doctors, archeologists, or ANYONE, can't explain how or why they were built. If those planes wouldn't have hit the towers or the Pentagon, do you think the building would have come down anyway or was THAT the "Master Plan"? I say the planes and fire brought them down. PERIOD. No conspiracy.
Asylumwillgetyou 6 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou
Good for ou believe in what you want. I will stick to facts that can be backed with evidence.
darion65 6 months ago
@darion65 ARE YOU KIDDING FACTS AND EVIDENCE YOU SHOULD BE REAL CAREFUL WITH THOSE TWO WORDS!!!!!!! YOU LOOK PRETTY FOOLISH SAYING THAT BULLSHIT ON THIS VIDEOS SITE!!!! ANY MORON WITH HALF A BRAIN KNOWS ITS AN INSIDE JOB YOUR EITHER TO SCARED OF THE TRUTH OR YOU WORK FOR THE GOV EITHER WAY ITS SICKINING TO SEE!
geovs20 5 months ago
@geovs20 Who are you talking too? I was commenting on the persons comment above. If he believes fires can bring buildings down in free fall fine by me. I still like to stick with facts and evidence from that day. Progressive collapse cannot cause free fall..... period. If he wants to believe its true fine by me. He can Leeds his head in the sand for the rest of his life for all I care.
darion65 4 months ago
@darion65 SRY MAN I DO THAT SHIT ALL THE TIME ITS MENT FOR RETARD YOUR TALKING TO SORRY MAN.
geovs20 4 months ago
@darion65 SRY MAN I DO THAT SHIT ALL THE TIME ITS MEANT FOR RETARD YOUR TALKING TO SORRY MAN.
geovs20 4 months ago
@geovs20 You could be the biggest retard on line, congrats! The only people who think it was an inside job are the sad losers still lving in their moms basement. You halfwits have not ONE fact not ONE. Your ignorance is offensive and you deserve a swift kick in the ass!
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 DOOOOO HOOOOO yEAH IM RETARDED, YOUR A FUCKING FAKE BITCH, YOU RUN AROUND SCARED, SCARED OF LIFE AND THE TRUTH, YOUR SO IGNORANT, YOU STILL MAKE UP WHAT EVER SO YOU FEEL SAFE YOU SOUND LIKE THE MORON, YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS ALL SOUND LIKE ITS SOME GUY IN A CAVE LEADING A BUNCH OF GUYS WITH BOX CUTTERS, ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING!!!!!
geovs20 4 months ago
@geovs20 Typical response from a pathetic truther. You do understand the psychology behind truthers don't you? Its really quite funny yet sad at the same time. Its sad sacks like you who want to think that THEY really know the "truth". They are "smarter" than everyone else. Things like facts and scientific theory mean nothing to idiots like you. I will fuck you up all day long on each and every single theory you have. Now go back to moms basement where you belong.
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 Please bring it on. Facts mean noting to NIST. They ignored the fact that there wer double the bolts on the critical column in WTC 7, they ignored the sheer studs, they ignored the welds, they ignored the 2 additional girders connected to the critical column, they ignored free fall and they doubled the expansion of the steelbased on their own temperature analysis. They have not proven hot hot, how long or where the fires burned and thus have now proof how these buildings collapsed
lexicon008 4 months ago
@lexicon008 You are kidding me right? They just ignored these facts that somehow the truthers sseem to be well aware of? MIT and Purdue engineers with the exact same drawing used to build the towers missed some things? Lets pick one topic and go with that shall we? Lets start with free fall speed because your bolts and columns comments are rediculous. Free fall speed is one of my favorites. Because you are an expert engineer I will let you explain it to me.
11binf9 4 months ago
@lexicon008 You are kidding me right? They just ignored these facts that somehow the truthers sseem to be well aware of? MIT and Purdue engineers with the exact same drawing used to build the towers missed some things? Lets pick one topic and go with that shall we? Lets start with free fall speed because your bolts and columns comments are rediculous. Free fall speed is one of my favorites. Because you are an expert engineer I will let you explain it to me.
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 Ah my uneducated one, i have a job and an education in the sciences.
Yes NIST lied about these things..heres a few for you to look up..
"The steel was assumed in the FDS model to be thermally-thin, thus, no thermal conductivity was used." NCSTAR 1-5F, p 20 - basically says that steel does not conduct heat - a complete lie..anyone with a stainless steel spoon and a stove can prove this wrong.
"In WTC 7 no studs were installed on the girders." NCSTAR 1-9, p 346
cont
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 But according to the building drawings and a report from 1986 from John Salvarinas and even NIST themselves there were approximately 30 sheer studs on the "critical column" that they say had none.
“girder and beam temperatures were ASSUMED to be 500C and 600C respectively, and THE SLAB WAS ASSUMED TO REMAIN UNHEATED”
“The slab was not heated for the analysis”
Now if you can explain how the girders and beams managed to heat up but everything else didn't have at it
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 "Due to the effectiveness of the SFRM, the highest column temperatures in WTC 7 only reached an estimated 300 °C (570 °F), and only on the east side of the building did the floor beams reach or exceed about 600 °C." NCSTAR 1A, p 19
so how did a 300c fire cause failure of all the columns simultaneously since that is far below the weakening point of steel?
cont
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 “temperatures of around 500C to 600C, it was found that it would take roughly 6 h of continuous exposure from a fully developed fire (gas temperatures of around 1100C) to reach these temperatures.” NCSTAR 1-9, p330
So what was burning for 6 hours when NIST says
"However, fuel oil fires did not play a role in the collapse of WTC 7." (NCSTAR 1A, p xxxii) and
"NIST increased this estimated fuel load from 4 lb/ft2 to 6.4 lb/ft2, giving a new maximum fire time of 32 minutes.
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 "The critical girder walked off its seat due to thermal expansion caused by fires of approximately 400C"
NCSTAR 1-9 p536
But in order for this girder to walk off its seat it needed to be atleast half way off its seat. The seat was 11-12 inches wide. Meaning that the girder needed to expand 5.5 inches. Since at 400 degrees the girders maximum expansion was 3.3 inches that kinda debunks NISTs claim
lexicon008 4 months ago
@lexicon008 Oh, I see, you are an engineer. I guess those dummies at MIT and Purdue must have missed that class. You can quote all the mumbo jumbo you want. I am going to tend to beleive the EXPERTS and not some online wannabe engineer. I watched experts in replicate the fire and loading and it didnt seem very difficult to decrease tensile strength under fuel fire. Its obvious you like to regurgitate info from truthers.
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 oh and what experts are those? Im directly quoting structural, mechanical and fire engineers. The evidence is directly from NIST report that shows they fabricated evidence or omitted structure, that isnt me that is them.
So purdue are experts? Well problem is all their simulations actually contradicted the NIST reports findings, so who is telling the official cause of collapse here?
lexicon008 4 months ago
@lexicon008 I know I know, those dummies at MIT and the 99% of all engineers in the world who agrre with it are the "wrong" ones. How many names would you like me to supply? How about we just google search the TOP engineers in America and see how many of them think 911 was an inside job? I will bet you a cookie not ONE of them thinks like you. But for arguments sake, how many experts would you like me to quote you halfwit?
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 Oh so you have documentation that shows 99% of the worlds engineers were asked, shown ALL the evidence and all of them agree? Please provide that for us.
I'm sure every one of them beleives that steel does not conduct heat..i'd like to see that evidence of their agreement. Because if that is true, then we have a serious problem with our engineering schools
lexicon008 4 months ago
and btw, it doesnt matter if they think it was an inside job or not..what matters is that NISTs report is supposed to be the truth about how these buildings collapsed. If they had to lie to prove their theory then their theory is wrong. i could list you a whole ton of non truthers who don't beleive NISTs report as well. I am saying a new investigation is needed because this one was hopelessly flawed and falsified.
lexicon008 4 months ago
@lexicon008 Do make your argument credible you would have to believe that the NIST engineers and expert who, unlike you and all other truthers, were AT the site, that they just couldnt figure out these simple things that you have shown me here today? They just threw it all together in the hopes that no engineers would check their work? You are either naive or stupid if thats your logic.
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 Well then explain why NIST fabricated the evidence. There is absolutely no reason to remoe those peices of structure unless your trying to weaken the building in you computer sims. Those things were there, steel does conduct heat, free fall did occur. None of that is from me, it is from the blueprints and the NIST report itself. I don't have to explain to you why they did it, they have to explain it.
Just removing the conductivity of steel disables any theory they have..cont
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 compound that with the admitted removal of the sheer studs, the bolts, the welds, the non heating of flooring and structure, the denial of free fall until a high school physics teacher proved them wrong and all the other ommissions and you have a flase report plain and simple.
Then you need to explain why if this was purely a fire thing why they ignored the most basic fire investigation guidelines from NFPA921..all in all they failed at investigation
lexicon008 4 months ago
@lexicon008 So the world, The US govt, the News media who would love to blame Bush and all the families are just dismissing what you claim are blatant lies? Listen to your logic. To claim certain things when NOONE will truly be able to give 100% accurate info is illogical. Scientific evidence and the LACK of ANY type of explosives leads any REASONABLE person to believe what EXPERTS have reported on this.
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 this is reality, not conspiracy theory. Most people who have looked at this have seen there is a problem with it. NIST refuses to update or change the report so a new investigation is needed to correct these obvious errors.
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 “The observed fire activity gleaned from the photographs and videos was not a model input”
NCSTAR 1-9, p378
basically NIST ignored the photographic and video evidence that showed there were no raging fires on the floors they needed raging fire on.
Barry jennings and Michael Hess rescued at 12:10 to 12:15 pm (Appendix L of NIST-SP 1000-5: June 2004: Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center)
cont
lexicon008 4 months ago
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@11binf9 “The observed fire activity gleaned from the photographs and videos was not a model input”
NCSTAR 1-9, p378
basically NIST ignored the photographic and video evidence that showed there were no raging fires on the floors they needed raging fire on.
Barry jennings and Michael Hess rescued at 12:10 to 12:15 pm (Appendix L of NIST-SP 1000-5: June 2004: Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center)
cont
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 Hes and jenning both gave news interviews. Hess was interviewed at around 1130 that morning several blocks from the building. How could he give an interview several blocks away if he wasn't rescued yet?
Now as for free fall...NIST admits that there was about 2 seconds of free fall in the collapse of WTC 7, this means that approx. 8 floors of that building offered no resistance at all to the collapse. This means all the perimeter and core columns were severed.
cont
lexicon008 4 months ago
@lexicon008 Lmao, this is your evidence? So what you are saying is that someone , somehow, rigged all of the outer columns to explode? Thats your claim? Where did you get your engineering degree from? You may want to get a refund. So now its 2 seconds of free fall and not the entire collapse? WHich is it?
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 And they were all severed simultaneously since video evidence shows that the mechanical penthouse was still being held up by the core columns right until the building started to collapse.
For free fall to have occured, none of the structure could bend, twist, push, pull, expand, contract, or do anything else but fall. Show me how that happens in a building with thousands of inteconnected steel beams, girders and columns that are not only bolted but welded together.
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 Calculations have been made that the 2 towers fell at approximately 64% of free fall. What hasn't been explained is how it managed to collapse straight down in that time. The buildings were designed to hold their maximum live and dynamic loads and then an additional 300-500% safety factor. The exterior columns were designed to hold 2000% their maximum loads. They were specifically designed to withstand a plane impact and fire. Yet there was little to no resistance to the collapse.
lexicon008 4 months ago
@lexicon008 They were? Where , anywhere, can you show me this info? NO the building was NOT designed to withstand the impact from a large commercial airliner. For an engineer you are pretty dumb. How does one design a building to withstand the impact and fire from a plane when it has NEVER happened?
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9
You need to do some homework
John Skilling was the head structural engineer for the World Trade Center. In 1993, Skilling stated that the Towers were designed to withstand the impact and fires resulting from the collision of a large jetliner such as Boeing 707 or Douglas DC-8
"Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuelwould dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire.The building structure would still be there. . "
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 The buildings have been investigated and found to be safe in an assumed collision with a large jet airliner (Boeing 707—DC 8) traveling at 600 miles per hour. Analysis indicates that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact. - City in the Sky, Times Books, Henry Hold and Company, LLC, 2003, page 131
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 and why did they do this? Because a bomber had hit the empire state building years before. Get with the program.
lexicon008 4 months ago
@lexicon008 So what about the empire state building? That has no relation to what happened at WTC. I also remember the designers of the titanic saying it was unsinkable. For an engineer you seem to forget that you CANNOT design for every circumstance.
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 LMAO the empire state building crash was what prompted the designers of the towers to build them specifically for an airplane impact. They significantly over engineered the structure so that
" a Tower would still be able to withstand a 100-mile-per-hour wind after all the perimeter columns on one face and some of the columns on each adjacent face had been cut."- City in the Sky, Times Books ..., , page 133
lexicon008 4 months ago
@lexicon008 you need to remember that they wrote a 10000 page report...most people probably haven't even sen or read it, they heard the finding in the news or on some website and took it to be gospel. When you actually look at the report and see the obvious falsification and ignoring of evidence its now a problem that needs to be corrected.
lexicon008 4 months ago
@lexicon008 What is the logical explanation then? You cannot rebuild the building and do it again. The building was hit by large commercial airliners, burned and collapsed. There is absolutely 100% proof that it was NOT a controlled demolition. So correcting what you call errors in the report will do what? Its typical psychology of truthers to believe they "know" something that everyboday does not and that they are not being"fooled".
11binf9 4 months ago
@11binf9 well for one it will allow the people building these structures to know what did and what didn't cause the collapse. If there was some fundemental design flaw in teh buildings then NISTs report should have found it and fized it. But since they didn't use proper investigation, falsified evidence and basically made a mockery of this, any buildings that use a similar design will be in danger won't they.
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 If this was a controlled demo, then all the evidence for it has been destroyed since no one followed proper procedure and insisted that the steel be saved. 99.5% of the steel was destroyed before any investigation. This is not only a violation of the most basic fire investigation procedures it is a violation of state and federal evidence laws.
But who cares, gotta kill all those goat herders and poppy growers dont we.
Dontactually look and see if we are doing it for the right reason
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 Oh and for the record, there is ample evidence that supports atleast the investigation for explosives. You have audio and video evidence supporting it, eye witness testimony from atleast 118 fire fighters, police, paramedics and others, you have a highly improbable collapse sequence in not 1 but 3 steel framed skyscrapers in 1 day. I mean hell this was supposedly a terrorist attack wasnt it? Why would you not believe that maybe they had truck bombs and such that were used?
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 i mean what is the problem with looking? NIST flat out refused to even entertain the idea that explosives were used. They admit they never even looked for evidence of it. Why? It is part of the most basic fire investigation procedures for high order building collapse and i think we can agree that there was definitely a high order collapse here.
But no, they dont even look, in fact they vehemently deny the possibility. Why? It's no skin off their nose if they find it. so why not look??
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 Here is a simple thing for you to think about...if the dust samples do not contain thermite/thermate or whatever, then why won't NIST test them? Are they now saying that it was planted? So about a dozen people from different parts of the city who don't know each other and have never met all decided to plant some brand new highly volatile material into the dust samples, and tehy also had the foresight to add in iron microspheres and somehow make molten metal appear in the collapses?
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 that they somehow out of the blue made bright orange red metal pour out of the exact spots that collapsed in the tower, metal that cannot be aluminum and should not be there in the fire temperature they say occured. These people somehow decided that they would give up their lives and careers to try and prove that a report that is obviously flawed needs to be redone.
Makes perfect sense
lexicon008 4 months ago
@11binf9 "THE BUILDING AS DESIGNED IS 16x STIFFER THAN A CONVENTIONAL STRUCTURE." - Richard Roth, partner at Emery Roth & Sons
The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It does nothing to the screen netting. - Frank Demartini
lexicon008 4 months ago
@lexicon008 I am curious. Every video I have seen shows the outer walls hitting the ground way before the towers. How can that be if they were all falling at free fall speed? How did the South towers core stay intact for a few seconds AFTER the outer columns fell? Get out of moms basement and get a job.
11binf9 4 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Better yet, explanin these 2 things. Originally NIST proposed the pancake theory of collapse. That the floors collapsed and pancaked downward. This was taken up by NOVA and popular mechanics and all sorts of "experts". Silverstein and Co how ever dismissed that theory and came up with the inward bowing theory. All of a sudden, NIST just drops the pancake theory like a brick and hops onto the inward bowing theory...why? NIST employes hundreds of scientists..cont
lexicon008 6 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou and they are now dropping their theory (which was plausible) to follow silversteins theory.Then they spend years trying to prove that theory and find that it just can't be done without altering reality, but they continue to endorse it and fight for it. Why? The most simple explanation is that if they didn't and Silverstein didn't win his insurance law suit (and if NIST proved him wrong he would have lost) then he loses his billions in insurance and might blow the whistle.cont
lexicon008 6 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Then there is the saga of WTC 7. Why was it abandoned almost an hour before it was in any danger or even damaged (according to the official story). Picture this, you have a building with a state of the art OEM EOC int that should be where all the heads of the various agencies involved in 911 should be commanding thier troops per se. Yet It is found completely abandoned an hour before and people are warned to get out of the building..why?
lexicon008 6 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou So is it standard proceedure now to evacuate perfectly safe buildings? Who made that decision? If this perfectly safe building should be evacuated then why on earth did they put their command for fire and police and such right in the damn lobby of the towers. This makes zero sense if you have any inkling that this building is going to collapse. So on the one hand, we have a safe, undamaged building abandoned, and on the other, a command post inside a supposedly obvious...cont
lexicon008 6 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou impending collapse. I mean if you read some of the official story guys it was a no brainer this would happen (how they can make that claim when it has never happened is beyond me). Look at Chief Palmer who ran all the way to the floor 78 and said you could probably put out the fires with 2 lines. Do you think this guy with his experience and knowledge would do that if he felt the whole structure would implode?
The devil is in the details and you need to do some more reading..
lexicon008 6 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Try to explain why, if this was just a fire and planes, NIST felt they had to remove half the bolts holding the girders to the columns. Why they removed the sheer studs. Why they removed the thermal conductivity of steel (a physical impossiblity without a complete rewrite of universal laws). Why even they admit the fuel loads could only sustain a 20-32 minute fire in any location but they then claim they burned over 3 hours..why?..simple..cont
lexicon008 6 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou because they had to overcome the 3+ hours of fire proofing that was in place in the building. If the fires didn't brun for over 3 hours then the steel would not be exposed to enough temperature to expand and thus no collapse. But then we have to explain how the steel in the towers sagged when heated and put under weight, yet the steel in WTC miraculously remained solid but expanded, not sagging, under load. If it sagged in WTC 7 then again we have no collapse..cont
lexicon008 6 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Then you must explain how the linear expansion of the steel somehow exceeded its physical maximum. According to physics the steel would expand a maximum of 2.5-5 inches in total length. This means that somehow the column that was pushed off its seat by the girder that expanded was only on that seat 2.6 to 5.1 inches. This is ridiculous and completely unprovable since no one saw this. It's a flight of phantasy. It's a computer simulation that they won't release for review..cont
lexicon008 6 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou because if they know if they do people will see the fudging with numbers that went on to prove this theory.
NFPA guidelines specifically state that in a high order collapse you must consider explosives and accelerants as a cause of collapse, expecially if you have molten metal and pulverized concrete. Did NIST follow these guidelines? Nope, just ignored anything that even pointed in that direction and called it all conspiracy theory.
lexicon008 6 months ago
@lexicon008 what a lie, look up the steven jones interview that PROVES nano thermite was used, stop being so scared of the truth, the gov. lies to you daily, if your girlfreind lies to you do you let her stay in your house???????????
geovs20 5 months ago
@geovs20 relax buddy, im on your side.
lexicon008 5 months ago
@lexicon008 SORRY WHAT AN ASS I AM, I WILL BE CAREFUL NEXT TIME SRY DUDE AGAIN. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING SOME BALLS TO STAND UP!! ILL BE DAMNED IF MY GENERATION IS GOING TO BE LAUGHED AT BECAUSE WE WERE DUPED AND DID NOTHING THE INTERNET MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A REAL IMPACT, I LOVE PROVING THE SCARED ASS SHEEPLING JUST HOW BRAINWASHED THEY ARE! IM PROUD OF THIS COUNTRY WHEN I SEE PEOPLE LIKE LEXICON008, SERIOUSLY MAN YOUR THE REAL AMERICAN, IT IS PATRIOTIC TO QUESTION THIS GOVERMENT!
geovs20 5 months ago
@geovs20 Lmao, thats your proof? You must be legally retarded. One truther goof finds "something" in the dust that hundreds of thousands of people missed and thats your proof? You make me sad knowing you are stealing my oxygen.
11binf9 4 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou so what are we left with, NIST ignores NFPA guidelines, they leave their original theory and jump onto a theory that requires them to alter real world test results by 10x and agree with a guy seeking insurance money. They have to remove structural supports and physical properties of materials. All of these things to prove a theory that supposedly should be easy to prove if it was only planes and fire.
lexicon008 6 months ago
@lexicon008 Damn, you owned him hard.
EvilIntentions01 5 months ago
"I studied physics" I wonder if he actually learned anything?
aue82a 7 months ago
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cappucinokid100 7 months ago
When conspiracy theorist claim that fire brought down those buildings, they fail to mention that huge planes had hit them.
TimothyRaymond1 7 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 Oh really? Which plane hit WTC 7?
lexicon008 7 months ago
@lexicon008 Tower 7 was severely damaged by debris from the other towers. Large fires weakened vital support columns. The damages columns could not support the weight of a 47 story building and it collapsed.
TimothyRaymond1 7 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 sorry wrong again.."Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7." NCSTAR 1A, p xxxii
And there is no such thing as a "vital support column" in a building with 25 core and 58 perimeter columns. There is not 1 or 2 single columns that can cause the whole thing to fall if they fail. There are literally thousands of interconnections to prevent this
lexicon008 7 months ago 2
@lexicon008
Based on what you said -- sounds like it would take months to rig for demolition.
klrdotorg 7 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 Conspiracy theorists argue that fire didn't bring down the buildings, fire has never brought down any steel framed tower except apparently these 3 buildings all in one day. The twin towers were specifically designed to withstand planes impacting them.
ukguy 7 months ago
i watch hollywood movies and the way the twin towers went down, looked very similar to to many hollywood movie explosions.this is my opinion not fact.also building 7 looked like a traditional building demolition. which is also just my opinion since facts mean nothing when anything is labeled a conspiracy by the media.
soweyesee 7 months ago
1st if it was a controlled demoliton when the plane hit the tower it would have cut the circut of demotlition or made it go off as soon as it hit
ryannewman4life1 7 months ago
@ryannewman4life1 you must be kidding,ever heard of radio signals.....????!!
MrPhattdirty 7 months ago
It's funny how everybody speculates about what terrorists are like and want when all they know about any terrorist is what they see on the news!
Kmost213 8 months ago
@lexicon008, How do you suggest they get their man or men?
What about the terrorists? Is it fair for them to blow up a few innocent people? Hundreds, Thousands? In a terrorist act, they don't target one person (pick one) their plan is to kill as many innocent people as they can and sometimes even themselves. When an example like yours happens, heads roll and those who committed the error pay for their wrong. Taking out targets that can harm the WORLD is another story.
Asylumwillgetyou 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou this isn't about whats fair..what a ridiculous statement..there is no..oh they killed some of ours so we should be able to kill them, their neighbours, their city and anyone else who happens to be strolling by and well anyone else we decide to..as long as we get them..which for 10 years they didn't.
You act like this should be a playground fight..he took my toy so i should get his..so much for the moral high ground..do you really think this will in any way end the war?
lexicon008 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou this war has been going on for 10 years and now they are wanting to start an even bigger war with pakistan..a fucking nuclear nation..this will cause 10's of millions of dead and for what..to say we are fighting a war on terrorism that will never be won unless the entire world is dead??? They have no clue how many terrorist cells there are, their numbers, where they are..nothing..these are guesses and millions are dying uselessly because of it.
lexicon008 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou this isn't like WW1 or WW2..germany started it..we bomb germany..this war wasn't started by afghanistan or pakistan or any other country..it was started by a group of INDIVIDUALS..you can't simply attack every single country who might have a cell..that is just asking for a world war of unprecidented scale..hope you have a bomb shelter if that happens because you wont be safe anywhere if the nukes start flying.
lexicon008 8 months ago
@lexiconn008. I can't disagree with that at all. The US will invade, spy, fight, kill, and even help in ANY country in the world. The talking heads must know why. The difference between the US and the terrorists is that the US does not take aim at innocent people. Civilians and the innocent are killed by our country, trying to take out BAD people, not as targets. Stir the pot? Terrorists have one mission in life, to take you, me and everybody in between OUT!!!
Asylumwillgetyou 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou So your argument is that it is acceptable to kill innocent people to get the bad guy? So i suppose if the police break down your door, shoot up your house and kill your family and realize after that it was the wrong house you will simply shake their hands and thanks them for going after the bad guy?
There is no justification for killing the innocent to find or kill the guilty. They may not be targets per se but they are in the line of fire.
lexicon008 8 months ago
@lexicon008, All the reports (right or wrong, truth or not) seem to be pointing in the direction of Bin Laden and his terrorist Al Qaeda groups as the culprits not only to 9-11 but future destructions on our land. This evil man was driven to kill Americans. Women, children, innocent people were targets for him, because we are infidels in their eyes. Well, now only one eye for Bin Laden.
Asylumwillgetyou 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Did you ever wonder why? Look at how many innocent women and children have died in afghanistan and iraq as a result of the wars started by the US. what is it..over a million now? Is that really worth the life of 1 man?
I find it funny that the gov's say how much they want to stop terrorism yet they proceed to taunt them constantly with reports of porn in OBL lair and anything else they can do to stir the pot. Let it rest for christ sakes..they don't need more reasons to hate
lexicon008 8 months ago
How crazy do the Navy Seals and everyone else involved in the mission to slay Bin Laden have to be, to be brain washed by Obama? Don't you think it's going off the deep on that thought? Is everyone in politics corrupt?
Why don't you take a few steps back, take a deep breath and try to reason with your thinking. For a long while, I read your posts and respected what you wrote. This is really of the wall.
Asylumwillgetyou 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou My friend, you assume there actually was a mission carried out by the seals. All we have is multiple discrepencies as to who, what, when and why this happened. For all we know this had nothing to do with the seals. They obviously aren't going to come out and grandstand. To do so would be completely against all they do.
The unfortunate thing here is that if this was real, it should be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but instead its been a bungled mess.
lexicon008 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou To be honest, i liked Obama, i thought he might actually be able to change things for the better, but he turns out to just be another politician who says one thing and does the opposite. He hasn't changed anything really. In some ways he's made them worse. The country was on such a high when he was elected and now it's on an even deeper low then before. It's sad really. I just find the timing of this event and conflicting stories from his own people suspicious. I hope im wrong
lexicon008 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou As for corruption in politics, unfortunately there are so many lobbyists in the political game that there are few politicians who aren't on someones payroll. It costs tens of thousands of dollars to run for lower offices and millions for president. Most aren't paying their own way so eventually someone will come to collect the bill.
As Lincoln once said when he was called upon by all the people he had promised posts.."there's too many pigs for the tits"
lexicon008 8 months ago
@lexicon008,
One thing I can't understand is how naive some of our Americans are. Regardless of what comes out of Washington, the Navy Seals went in and took out Bin Laden. Their effort is being put to the side by many saying that Bin Laden is still alive. This is plain ignorance, ridiculing, and undermining their job well done. It is offensive to me, let alone everyone who every one involved in the entire plan.
Asylumwillgetyou 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Where did you see me say obam was part of 911? Im more inclinde to believe that if this is a hoax it is due to him having issues about the birth certificate and his approval rating being in the toilet then voila..we killed bin laden, but we wont release his death photo, we are given false info that is contradicted by his own CIA cheif and now we are shown videos that are atleast 5 years old. Whats next?
lexicon008 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Are you absolutely sure they actually went in and killed him? I mean do you honestly beleive that the US has never faked something to acheive a political goal? I mean why not show the death photos, they paraded husseins sons all over the tv, we've seen others supposedly killed, why not bin laden? As i have said to you before, these efforts to hide information from the public only allow conspiracy theories to happen. It's like they want them.
lexicon008 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou "Are you and the truthers the only ones with insight?" Actually no, there are members of some pretty high ranking UN councils and departments asking some pretty pointed questions about whether this attack is true and if it was was it a violation of international law. These aren't truthers, these are international lawyers and UN officials. There are alot of questions here and they aren't being asked by the truthers alone. There are too many discrepencies going on.
lexicon008 8 months ago
@lexicon008 So, are you telling me that Obama was involved in the 9-11 conspiracy too? Where does this end? Are you and the truthers the only ones with insight? I say this much. Our government needs to keep intelligence to themselves. If they start handing out information to anyone, repercussions will slap them in the face. I am satisfied with what we have. They hold all the aces and pass the low cards out. That's the way IT HAS TO BE.
Asylumwillgetyou 8 months ago
@lexicon008 and truthers, what are your thoughts now about 9-11, since Bin Laden has been put to rest? All of these politicians (Obama, Clinton, Republicans, Democrats, together) couldn't have been behind the "conspiracy theories" that I have read here. Coverup? Does it really make sense? Bin Laden has been taken out and now we have to deal with his fanatics that will try to carry our his work, killing INNOCENT people.
Asylumwillgetyou 9 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Well look at what is going on now. there is evidence (including the actual statements from the rebel leader) that al qaeda is part of the rebel army in libya. If this is so then the US is supporting alqaeda in libya. Bin ladin is dead, but why is there so many changes in the story. Firsts hes armed, then he isnt then he resisted then ... The story is so convoluted it's ridiculous. You have the white house saying they watched it happen and photos showing them looking shocked..
lexicon008 8 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou then the CIA cheif comes on and says well no they saw nothing because the live feed went dead for 30 minutes. You have them saying they dont want to release photos of bin laden because they are too graphic but they release photos of others in the compound?? They claim they had DNA evidence but it takes a minimum of 18 hours to get a result.
There are also members of the UN questioning whether this was even a legal action.
So many discrepencies..so little time..
lexicon008 8 months ago
No, I've never stated that my words were facts, just experience from work. You are the one posting so called facts and in reality, they are theories, must like mine.
Asylumwillgetyou 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou sigh...ok let me rephrase..you said "no facts just interesting points"..ok what facts would you like?
As for your theories..you claim fire and plane impacts caused this..Ok, i will ask again..how hot did the fires get? where were the fires? how long did they burn? how much of the steel was actually weakened? How many were actually taken out by the planes? You may say that you can't answer that since you weren't there..and i would agree with you..cont
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou But NIST..the official guys..simply made up answers to these questions..they assumed fires weaken steel..they assumed certain amounts of beams were destroyed..they assumed fire burned for certain amounts of time and in certain locations..They assumed alot..and why was that? Because 99% of the evidence was destroyed long before they started. So they made a computer sim based on unprovable assumptions and claimed it was fact. They still won't say how the towers actually collapsed
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou they claim it was inevitable at some point? how can they make this claim when NO steel framed skyscraper in history has ever collapsed due to fire and or plane impact. You certainly can't make a claim like this without a detailed knowledge of the actual damage and they didn't have that...did they?
Their own commissioned experiments showed that the trusses would not collapse in fires much hotter and longer..so how can you claim fire cause the collapse?
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou ok yes beams and columns got broken..but how many..how much load was transferred to the remaining beams and columns..these towers had built in redundancy and overload capacity of atleast 3x live and dynamic loads. They were designed to have all the columns on one side removed and then have the building subjected to a 100mph wind and still stand. People were standing in and passed by the impact points and werent melted by steel weakening temperatures..so what caused the collapse
lexicon008 10 months ago
@lexicon008 and that is just wtc 1 and 2..7 wasn't hit by planes..it was supposedly hit by debris..and this caused the fires and the collapse through some miraculous new mechanism..again a completely unprovable one since all the debris was removed and destroyed. But they can make up a sim and use anecdotal evidence to say that it happened and end of story right...wrong..go look at their sim for the collapse and compare it to the actual collapse..they look nothing alike..no biggie though right
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou but oh well...lets just all take their unprovable word for it and move on...lets not look into why it happened and find out if it was more then what we were told..lets not worry about the wars that have been started because of this..the lives lost, the freedoms lost and those that will be lost in the future if this was more then just a terrorist attack..lets all just bury our heads in the sand and hope we aren't in the next building that no one will care about getting blown up
lexicon008 10 months ago
@lexicon008, yes very interesting points you bring out, no facts just interesting points. You could easily write a book about all the interesting points you bring out. Is it impossible that the towers came down because of the impact and fire?
Oh by the way, you posted that you had been to hundreds of fires. In almost every state that I know of, no one other than firefighters are permitted inside. Do you have special passes that allows you to get in?
Asylumwillgetyou 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou ' Is it impossible that the towers came down because of the impact and fire'' given the sheer number of beams/columns/joints/wleds and other structural components that would have had to fail in not 1 but 3 buildings to cause a near free fall collapse..ik would have to say that it is highly improbably leading to impossible.
And yes, i have been to hundreds of fires..have i gone into them..not in all cases..i have been there as part of the support team, rehab and extrication
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou also consider there are hundreds of engineers and such out there and not a single one can give an example of a steel framed skyscraper that has completely collapsed due to fire and or plane impact before or after 911. Yet we are to beleive that 3 collapsed on the same day in the same place due to these factors. You might aruge this is possible, but keep in mind that we are talking 2 different types of building structure and again..why no proper investigation if they did
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou you keep talking about facts..what facts would you like? Thousands of engineers, physicists, firefighters, police, government officials, pilots and who knows what else say this was not a realistic scenario. That these buildings could not collapse as they did. That something else was involved here. Terrorists can't cause a structure to violate the laws of physics at will. Yes people mistake things, imagine things and hell even make them up thats why we investigate properly
lexicon008 10 months ago
@lexicon008
I wonder if ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani was part of the conspiracy cover-up? What do you say? By the way, did you see the re-runs on the attack on the Pentagon and Giuliani's, New York last night? Have you guys ever been to an accident and everyone has a different story about what happened? They'll blame each other, swear both had the green light. When the attack occurred, people talked about what they think they saw. Most of the time being totally wrong. Get the message?
Asylumwillgetyou 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Well let me ask you this, who told Rudy that the buildings were going to collapse? Why weren't others warned? Why was he not in his super secure ultra built OEM? According to NIST it was not affected until the collapses of WTC1 and 2 so why wasn't he there? Why did he, a former prosecutor who knows the penalty for destruction and tampering of evidence in a crime, allow the debris to be removed and destroyed before an investigation could occur?
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou How much has this guy made money wise since 911. He ran a security consultation company didnt he. Ran for president. Made millions since.
Was he part of the conspiracy? Maybe..hard to rule him out when he was responsible for the destruction of evidence. Even the 911 commission admits they went too soft on him during their investigation. Funny how no one has been able to get him to say who told him that the buildings were going to collapse. Whats to hide?
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou and to answer your question..yes..there is an old saying..there is your side..my side and then there is the truth. Your side, fire which has never toppled a skyscraper before somehow manages to cause 3 complete collapses of 3 skyscrapers in 1 day. That eventhough people from various disciplines and jobs all claim they heard explosions in and out of the buildings and videos back this up, NO investigation into explosives was done other then to rule out 1 specific explosive
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou official story claims that all these buildings somehow managed to collapse at near free fall speed with little or no resistance from the undamaged structures. That evidence in the dust pointing to certain types of explosive are just ignored. They claim fires hot enough to weaken steel were present in these buildings yet people were seen at the impact sites or managed to walk past these spots with no reports of roaring fires hot enough to weaken steel without burning the people
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou They then remove all the steel and debris from the site, either ship it overseas to be destroyed or recycle it before it can be fully investigated. These buildings were designed to resist plane impacts and fire. I for 1 would like to know why they collapsed so it can be prevented. But no, lets remove the only means of figuring this out immediately so that we can only speculate.
No one expected these buildings to collapse completely, yet Rudy is told they will..by who?
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Interesting isn't it that 2 major investigations, the pentagon budgets funds and worldcoms SEC evidence, were both destroyed that day. Trillions of dollars go missing and the evidence needed to find it goes poof when a plane hits the pentagon and wtc7 collapses.
Bush then starts 2 wars based on the conspiracy theory that Bin laden, afghans and iraq caused 911. Yet they show no proof of this to this day. Millions have died becuase of this.
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Now what do you see..naked body scanners that use huge amounts of radiation, invasive pat downs, homeland security at walmart and the super bowl, the patriot act, multiple executive orders that allow the president to ignore congress and do whatever he wants whenever he wants. Senior Al queda members dining at the pentagon post 911. NIST putting out reports that try to justify the collapses using bogus science and computer sims that are blatantly false.
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Ask yourself this question..isnt it convenient that the plane hit the pentagon. It was almost an hour since the trade towers were hit yet no one is able to stop it? It's interesting that at the exact moment they need a shoot down order from Bush the phone system goes dead. It's interesting that Cheney denies being in the presidential bunker before the plane hit yet Minetta testifies under oath that he was. there is a lot of smoke screens and coincidences going on here
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Isnt it interesting that at the very time the secretary of defense should be in a bunker or command center defending his country, he is helping carry casualties on the pentagon lawn. OH but he didnt need to be defending his country because Dick cheney, for the first time in US history, is in charge of NORAD.
Interesting isnt it that the secret service rushes cheney to a bunker yet they let bush sit in a classroom. They claim he wasn't under threat..really..how do they know?
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Stop fixating on 1 issue at a time and look at the over all picture. The coincidences are astounding. Statistics gurus would tell you that the odds of all these things going as they did at the same time are, well, astronomically unlikely. 4 planes hijacked with not 1 hijack code, none go off course, and guys who reportedly can't fly a cessna can fly a jumbo jet. They they apparently dissappear from radar until just before they hit their targets.
lexicon008 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou Silverstein takes over the lease that summer, insures the towers against terrorist attacks and low and behold a couple months later terrorists take out 2 of his buildings and a third just falls down on its own. 2 buildings that were going to cost him billions in clean up costs due to asbestos yet now are destroyed and cleaned up at taxpayer expense and he gets to build 3 brand new buildings and make a bunch of cash. What an amazing stroke of luck huh.
lexicon008 10 months ago
Oh, by the way, I think that Jeff King is an idiot. You can't mix and match bullcrap and try to solve a puzzle. By the way, wish us luck when we play football against the Border Patrol. We have demolished the Police Department in basketball and football (Guns & Hoses) four years in a row and smoked the Border Patrol in boxing the last two years. They now challenged us to football and we play on the 14th of April.
Asylumwillgetyou 10 months ago
You've been to many, many accidents involving fatalities, severe injuries and so on. How long do the Police take to clear the area once they've done their investigation? Same goes for planes that crash. (been there done that). Their investigation is done afterwards and somewhere else. Did it take a few hours or days to clear "ground zero"? I don't think so. My brother was there and I have on scene pictures and video from the same week of the attack. Shot by my brother, not from the media.
Asylumwillgetyou 10 months ago
@Asylumwillgetyou you completely miss the point again..lets say someone dies and they need to do an autopsy..do they save the heart then cremate the body before the autopsy or do they autopsy the whole body? The answer should be obvious. Now look what they did here..3 buildings collapse..they take 99% of the steel and recycle it before any official investigation starts then give us the lame, computer sim based, half assed answers from NIST. Really?
lexicon008 10 months ago