Beethoven Piano sonata No8 Pathetique 2st mvt / Glenn Gould

[CathEuph]

Dearest musical geniuses, would you mind explaining me, a musical ignorant, why is gould such an egomaniac?

Thx for your time :)

[Chopin1974l]

@colourfulwithau Yes, good point! I've listened to both his Mozart and Chopin. Just absurd. With respect his Goldberg variations, you are absolutely right, they are the height of genius. At least with Bach his ego was subverted, but with other composers it's in full force.

[Chopin1974l]

@dim19f: You are absolutely correct! Thank you:)

[Chopin1974l]

@EMPERORMIKI...lastly, it is you, through your musical snobbery, that has actually limited your ability to appreciate beauty in all music. Your naive view of the great composers being tiered is a view of a musically very immature individual. One that does not posess the ability to understand the great impact Chopin, Brahms, Rachmaninoff, et al, had on composers that followed. Good luck with learning to fully appreciate all composers rather than insulting the greats.

[dim19f]

@Chopin1974l You are wasting your time answering to someone who clearly does not conversate for the sake of constructive interaction. His musical taste says it all. He categorized Chopin below Schoenberg and in the same category as Glass. I know that not all things in music are objective but for people who study and love music there are some standard values. Gould was a peculiar case, I dont like his beethoven, I laugh with his mozart (funny tempos) and love his bach. Just let him be...

[Chopin1974l]

@EMPERORMIKI You've proven your inability to comprehend. The concord sonata is his 2nd sonata, as I stated, not concord sonata 2 as you assumed I meant. Secondly, I was not referring in particular to this sonata when speaking of aleatoric or atonal music. I was referring to Ives work in general. It is you who is "virginal" in his musical education as well as comprehension and understanding.

[Chopin1974l]

@EMPERORMIKI You really are quite condescending, aren't you. I know Ives music well, and admire his music and have played a number of his piano compositions including the concord piano sonata (number 2). I simply am not a fan of aleatoric, atonal music. Likening Chopin's music to dirty water is truly quite absurd. You are, most assuredly in a minority. Thank goodness.

[EMPERORMIKI]

@Chopin1974l @Chopin1974l FYI there is only one Concord Sonata, your listing of (number 2) I will simply take as a mistake rather than the more tempting option. Also, there is nothing aleatoric about this particular sonata as it is scored completely by Ives. Likening this music atonal is I think simply a matter of the delicate nature of your own ears—virginal, nevermind your "playing". But again, much luck with your learning.

[Chopin1974l]

@EMPERORMIKI...Your screen name is very appropriate as it serves as an indication of your immense ego. Now, please desist from any further contact or communication. I only communicate with people that interest me, and you most certainly do not. You are a bore and a pseudo-intellectual prat.

[plvsbpb]

@Chopin1974l I very much appreciate your comments on the issue of Glenn Gould, because indeed, there comes a point in some performances when it is no longer the question of an unconventional interpretation, but someone "kidnapping" a piece. Still, on the matter of Gould personally, that he recognized and appreciated the fabulous performances of this piece which are far more correct in terms of Beethoven's composition.

[plvsbpb]

He knew that if he played a normal version of this, it simply would add nothing. You've got to admit this is pretty interesting, and also, that he is responsible for some of the most gorgeous and monumental recordings in history.

[Chopin1974l]

@EMPERORMIKI Oh, I'm so very sorry that my YouTube etiquette/grammar is lacking. I don't have a reply function on my iPhone. As for your response, your arrogance is overwhelming. You are, simply put, a musical snob. Your years of study amount to nothing more than your opinion. Period! I will respect your opinion, but vehemently disagree with it. Do not phrase it as if it were fact. It's not!

[EMPERORMIKI]

@Chopin1974l @Chopin1974l: glad you agree with me that opinion is not fact. I suggest you listen to Charles Ives if you can, your musical celibacy will be deflowered by the music of this great man. In simplistic terms the music of Ives is one of a great fiery strength whereas Chopin is like the remains of a large family communal bath—lukewarm, opaque, soiled. Good luck with the beginning of your learning.

[Chopin1974l]

@EMPERORMIKI:...and to call Chopin mediocre is laughable. Do you play? I highly doubt it otherwise you would not make such an absurd statement. The technical complexities of his works, the harmonic progressions and discordances are all part of the beauty and true harmonic complexity of Chopin. You clearly know nothing about music or your conclusion would never have been reached. You probably dislike Rachmaninoff as well.

[EMPERORMIKI]

@Chopin1974l it is easier to simply use the reply function rather than typing the name of the person you're responding to (there is no : after the name of the person you are responding to if you mean for them to reply). First tier composers are Beethoven and Ives. 2nd is Bach, Schoenberg and a few others. 3rd is Mozart and most 20th century masters. 4th is most english composers and 5th tier is Glass, Copland, Chopin, and everyone else. I have learned this through years of study.

[Chopin1974l]

@EMPERORMIKI: You have completely shown yourself to have little or no musical taste. You see I not only listen but I play the piano and perform recitals regularly. I KNOW how to listen and to bring out the beauty of the inner parts and respect the melodic line. Chopin is far from bland. His nocturnes, études, bland? His scherzi and ballades bland? His impromptus, waltzes and preludes bland? No! Some of THE BEST music ever conceived for the piano.

[Chopin1974l]

@leongatha6: my screen name is Chopin as an homage to one of the greatest composers for the piano. A composer, you may be interested to know, Gould did not actually like. If you think this a perfect interpretation, then any further discussion with you is futile as you clearly have little or no taste. Maybe you need to learn how to listen to this most glorious adagio.

[EMPERORMIKI]

@Chopin1974l Chopin actually is in reality a bland mediocre composer--how he is so liked shocks me to be honest. If you ever learn how to listen to music you too will reach this most obvious conclusion. But judging by your post I highly doubt it. For every simple soul who professes a love of Chopin the joy in my life is chipped away ever so slightly.

[pokerus911]

i was excited clicking on this video because i wasn't sure if it was the 1st or 2nd movement. i can see why it's titled the 2st movement though, seeing as he takes some of the speed from the 1st movement and applies it to the 2nd movement...

or it was just a typo. >______>

[jimbopta]

I love the piece--which is being played too quickly. Shame. Interesting how speeding up the tempo changes the entire piece of music. Too fast.

[Chopin1974l]

This is marked adagio cantabile not andante which is the speed at which Gould decides to take it. It's too fast. I really do not understand how he can bear to throw away phrase of such exquisite beauty. Such an incredibly poor interpretation. But I'm not surprised. Gould was an egomaniac par excellence.

[Gamicchi3]

彼の演奏は楽譜に忠実ではないのかもしれない。

そして それが気に入らない人も居るでしょう、私はそれを否定しません。

では、考え方を変えてGouldはGouldというジャンルなの­だと思えば、彼の変則的な解釈も受け入れ易いのではないでしょう­か。

私は音楽を、それを聴いて自分の心に何かしらの快感を呼ぶか否か­で選別しています、Gouldの演奏からはGouldからしか得­られない美を感じます。　敬愛する奏者の一人です。　コメントありがとう。

[leongatha6]

@Chopin1974l You contend Gould was an egomaniac, yet you call yourself Chopin and criticize this perfect interpretation.

[colourfulwithaU]

@Chopin1974l

Gould just hated the romantic period. I would agree with you that this is too fast, but if you thought this was a travesty, go listen to him playing Mozart. It's atrocious. This is a breath of fresh air after that.

But, if you think Gould was just an egomaniac, go listen to his interpretations of the Goldberg variations and say that again. Never has more care been taken to make music beautiful.

[teamvibralux]

this is definatly my favorite interpritation kempf's is good but this one tops it

[lunab4]

all lovers of Glenn Gould should watch the film, "The Genius Within Glenn Gould"

[Catherineone]

Beautiful

I think I am becoming adictive to hearing Glenn play, I need my fix each day.

Thanks for posting.

[voodoochild2121]

perfect interpretation

[TokyoDoggyDog]

what is 2st movement?!!

[themadaboutmusic]

@TokyoDoggyDog Come on! don't you enjoy Glenn Gould's wonderful interpretation ?

And don't forget to thanks the uploader, if you do.