Fuck joey and his faggot fanboys. Dave was playing real thrash metal drums when joey was still breast feeding. Joey = medicore, boring, uninspired. Dave = god!
Joey was the one to inspire me to play but I like Dave too, but at the same time they both are legends, I think Joey is better though because of his work with Korn and Roadrunner United, it shows more diversity in his playing
Dave. He seems to have more something. I can't pinpoint it. Jory is just about going fast and hitting hard. Dave seems like he actually does what a drummer should do and follow the band.
I like both drummers but Dave uses more toms and not so much cymbals and bass. Joey Jordison seems like he is pushing himself to do what he does and Dave Lombardo just has more practice and did a lot of training to get where he is today. I would say both win but I lean more towards Dave.
Dave Lombardo wins hands down! I don't feel the clips where good examples tho. Joey clips you have what 5 different shows which inturn is gonna give you 5 different solos and on dave' you only have one solo, wtf? Joey is good I won't deny that, but all slipshit fans gotta remember Dave is one of Joey' fav drummers and Let's face it you noobs SLAYER made the path for them to follow. SLAYER FUCKIN RULES!
ambos lo asen mui bien pero aunke joey tokara meor ooo lombardo no se sabria por que para mi son 2 kosas mui diferentes pero igual esta bueno el video
For all those who like fast feet listen to Fear Factory. Dave wins all the way here. He is at a 30% playing comparison and Joey is playing with everything hes got, 100%. Dave Lombardo is the best. I also love Tommy Lee. I am a 40 year fast as hell metal drummer, also DO NOT forget Lars Ulrich either.
This was an extremely difficult decision to a question that really has no answer for me because I obviously can't choose my decision based off this video. I can see probably 90% of ppl picked joey and I can't say they are wrong. I personally like slipknot's music over slayer by a long shot. To be honest I don't care for a lot of slayer's music. However really I do like dave lombardo and think he's a great drummer who has influenced many. I guess if I had to pick I would go with joey but idk...
I'd vote for Dave Lombardo because he's more diverse, in my opinion.
Along with Slayer, I liked his style in Mike Patton's Fantomas and a few collaboration by John Zorn (to name a few of the groups he's played with). Because of those, I like to think of him as a heavy metal jazz drummer. :P
I have my respect for Joey, because he's sloppy playing fast, sounds good, and has good control when playing with Slipknot.
Both these drummers do have a speedy technique, so good comparisons. :D
Lombaro > Jordison . Joey plays too fast live does not stay true to the song.example-psychosocial.He can play anthing though and has from black metal to korn.Even the guys in korn were tellin him."slow down." Dave also been doing this alot longer.However they both will go down as legions. Love em both so pick your poison.Joey does have alot more creative contibution to his music.In fact all most all of it.
Sorry, but anyone that says joey is better knows as much about drums as a retard knows about rocket science. Yeah sure he can play somewhat fast in a very overrated, shitty band. But he is and always will be medicore, while dave is a professional.
Joey has said a number of times that he looks up to Dave and counts him as one of his inspirations. Don't get me wrong: Joey is one hell off a drummer, but Dave has Joey's accuracy and speed PLUS his breadth as a musicianship is just in another universe.
Dave Lombardo is the godfather of double bass, the inventor of the heavy metal drumming you hear today. No lombardo, no Jordison. Dave Lombardo by FAR! Every experienced metal drummer can play fast, but the groove and feeling makes Dave Lombardo the winner....so who is the best?: Mike Portnoy
ok i dont knw awful lot bout drummin.but 2 me frm wtchin this they have different styles.joey has ur typical metal fast doubles over doubles.whereas dave has a very jazzy technique&uses a range of cadences&styles.joeys parts in this video were "showy" & didn't do him justice wiv the goin upside dwn distracting from his drummin ability.2 me Dave wins this because of his versatility as a drummer the differing techniques used throughout the video and of course the double bass bit in angel of death!
OLHA A DIFERENÇA DAS BATERIAS, A BATERIA DO DAVE É UM LIXO, UM LIIIXO, A BATERIA DO JOEY ALÉM DE SER BONITA, AINDA É GRANDE E COMPLETA! OS SOLOS DO JOEY SAO PERFEITO, SEMPRE AO SOM DOS PRATOS, DAVE NAO SABE IMPROVISAR UM SOLO! MIL VEZES JOEY DO QUE DAVE!
Its funny all the kids who pick J. Jordinson have no explanation just "Joey" but the D. Lombardo are obviously the more experienced fans they can explain on a technical level. Not criticizing. Just making an observation.
Fucking Dave Lombardo is the greatest in my eyes! I'm not an expert but i have played for 28 yrs and I just love his style and sound. Jordinson is a magnificent drummer as well. He brings out a great tight sound in his kit.
dave lombardo who member of the greatest thrash metal band of all time slayer, does anyone do it better than dave? i don't think so.. dave better than joey.
I don't really like Joey jordison... What he plays is often too brutal. Dave lombardo, Mike Portnoy and many others play for heavy metal bands, but don't only hit the toms extremely fast, they make something special that jordison must not understand :p
Joey and Dave are two different styles. I hate slipknot and love slayer but i pick joey because Joey is more extreme drummer. A lot of you dumb faggots um I mean maggots don't even know that Joey does a lot of side work for black metal bands. Seems like a lot of people don't want to give Joey his due because he is the drummer of a shitty band, but watch him get done when he is playing black metal. Fucking epic.
Oh my gosh you stupid ignorant slipknot fans. "Oh joey jordison is the best drummer in the worrrrlllddd!!" are you kidding me?? Lets look at this from a rudimental standpoint. Joey= looks like he can do single strokes really fast with his hands and his feet, as can a 5 year old. Dave= rudiments all over the place!! Not as many as i'd like, but its there. Rolls, accents, DYNAMICS. Joey doesnt even know what the word DYNAMICS means. Any drummer that does enough meth can play that fast hahaha not
Dave is old school. And as you all guys know, old school always rules. Knew school only exist and play because there is old school. So, they use old school as mptivation in all senses.... Fucking dave...
dave is better
globusa100 4 hours ago
w joey jordison
iWOLFTek 1 day ago
Dave Lombardo all the way,Joe is a great drummer but i have no doubt that Dave wins.
imandre98 2 days ago
el mejor es joey jordison sin duda
Slidefire1 2 days ago
Dave es el puto amo.
bmth5xd 2 days ago
joey? the best? hahahahaha what a joke, your wimps.
DiarreiaMentallica 2 days ago
JOEY is best !!!!!
jaradparkour 3 days ago
For me the Winner is Joey!!!
Snuefi77 3 days ago
Joey Jordison.
synystergates474 3 days ago
Put Dave Lombardo playing upside down and we will decide who is the best drummer ;)
skaterAdrenaline 4 days ago 2
joey
timmheartnet 4 days ago 2
Joey
flightshark45 4 days ago
joey jordison
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Dave is the best drummer of the Big4 by far,but Joey is getting better and better at drums,he still have a lot to show.
bragosng1 5 days ago
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bragosng1 5 days ago
Dave Lombardo.. The most bored and stupid drummer in the history.. is a anti-drummer
josecb2c13 5 days ago
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Joey= tatatatatata tata plum tata plum tata wtf!
Dave= drummer of Jazz ;)
rallyivan1234 6 days ago
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rallyivan1234 6 days ago
Dave for sure
col2658 6 days ago
JOEy is the best drummer:D
MultiChillergriller 6 days ago 2
Fuck joey and his faggot fanboys. Dave was playing real thrash metal drums when joey was still breast feeding. Joey = medicore, boring, uninspired. Dave = god!
kjer0nanny0slut 6 days ago
Joey, just type in "joeys view" to YouTube and watch the people=shit video.
MonkeyMonkMan 6 days ago
55 - 59 was a thing of beauty O.O
TheRevsSon6661 1 week ago
And kids love Joey cause he wears these gay-ass masks and plays with mainstream Slipshit. Yeah I hate on them...
patrolmostwanted 1 week ago
Can't you see Jordison is freakin' 36 and Lombardo is nearly 50 years old? That makes a difference.
patrolmostwanted 1 week ago
Dave Lombardo is the best
ZlobnyjFej 1 week ago
joey jordison. he's incredible.
TheMlleVi 1 week ago
Lombardo
1leoscapin 1 week ago
JOEY es mi idolo...
mariarlin 1 week ago
i like Cobus!!
StarrPatrick94 1 week ago
JOEY FTW
brettmaggots 1 week ago
joey obio
eduardelric1261 1 week ago
I' d rather Dave, more imaginative chops out there.
drums554 1 week ago
Joey was the one to inspire me to play but I like Dave too, but at the same time they both are legends, I think Joey is better though because of his work with Korn and Roadrunner United, it shows more diversity in his playing
MaggotMuncher96 1 week ago
Dave. He seems to have more something. I can't pinpoint it. Jory is just about going fast and hitting hard. Dave seems like he actually does what a drummer should do and follow the band.
JeserNoob 1 week ago
osama binladen
grdemihop1 1 week ago
Dave of course.. joey has no soul in he's drumming...
batintheblack 1 week ago
Joey hands down
EdEddnEddyFan62920 1 week ago
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joe is best
TASTATURZOCKER 1 week ago
Joey jordinson
iMau65s 1 week ago
I like both drummers but Dave uses more toms and not so much cymbals and bass. Joey Jordison seems like he is pushing himself to do what he does and Dave Lombardo just has more practice and did a lot of training to get where he is today. I would say both win but I lean more towards Dave.
LilRCKnative1 1 week ago
Both are great but i like Dave better
jimmcom 1 week ago
Dave Lombardo all day
mariaroach420 1 week ago
Joey Jordison 100%
rodrigodenis67 1 week ago 20
Dave Lombardo wins hands down! I don't feel the clips where good examples tho. Joey clips you have what 5 different shows which inturn is gonna give you 5 different solos and on dave' you only have one solo, wtf? Joey is good I won't deny that, but all slipshit fans gotta remember Dave is one of Joey' fav drummers and Let's face it you noobs SLAYER made the path for them to follow. SLAYER FUCKIN RULES!
FknSlayerRulz 1 week ago
ambos lo asen mui bien pero aunke joey tokara meor ooo lombardo no se sabria por que para mi son 2 kosas mui diferentes pero igual esta bueno el video
jordissonful 2 weeks ago
who ever puts dave is a dick head we all know its joey because he plays the drums in slipknot and we all know thats the best band in the world!!!!!!
freakout9967 2 weeks ago
Nobody can steal Joey the show! not lombardo , not chuck norris , Not God !!!!!
LordSaboLP 2 weeks ago
Lombardo is king of double base, incredible innovative and has influenced a generation of metal drummers. Joey is great but not in the same league
cheesydarkside 2 weeks ago
@cheesydarkside lombardo is king of double bass? are u sure ? lol joey can do it way better
PushyNor 1 week ago
@PushyNor U serious? I got 6 words for you. Angel of death double bass fill.
kjer0nanny0slut 6 days ago
Joey - the best
BrumbarBass 2 weeks ago
is it me or the drum of joey is over mic lol ? and you barely see the diff bitween the bass drum and the tom
PatDuss23 2 weeks ago
joey jordison is good; dave lombardo is great; neil peart is god
chambers712 2 weeks ago
joey!!
DaRkFiRe526 2 weeks ago
a dond bas a comparar a lombardo con joridson
luigishiteru 2 weeks ago
Lombardo KURWaA
QnlyMe 2 weeks ago
the best = joey
ozzynhu157 2 weeks ago
Lombardo is king!
loveisthelaw20042004 2 weeks ago
I can't decide and if you realize it wants you to decide from the video not their whole biography
XxJERETIKxX 2 weeks ago
Joey is very good.
MisterS4League 2 weeks ago
Joey is not a good drummer! hes only fast. People who says he is the best is fucking retards!
HelloMeNameDane 2 weeks ago
@HelloMeNameDane Fuck you !
epuizat 2 weeks ago
For all those who like fast feet listen to Fear Factory. Dave wins all the way here. He is at a 30% playing comparison and Joey is playing with everything hes got, 100%. Dave Lombardo is the best. I also love Tommy Lee. I am a 40 year fast as hell metal drummer, also DO NOT forget Lars Ulrich either.
vr4god2 2 weeks ago 9
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@vr4god2
This is not Joey 100%.
heretic0anthem666 1 week ago
@vr4god2 lars who?
rallyivan1234 6 days ago
@vr4god2 ...Lars? o.O Ok...
bragosng1 5 days ago
This was an extremely difficult decision to a question that really has no answer for me because I obviously can't choose my decision based off this video. I can see probably 90% of ppl picked joey and I can't say they are wrong. I personally like slipknot's music over slayer by a long shot. To be honest I don't care for a lot of slayer's music. However really I do like dave lombardo and think he's a great drummer who has influenced many. I guess if I had to pick I would go with joey but idk...
adan2374 2 weeks ago
joey !
PDMariox 2 weeks ago
joey é muito melhor sem comparação!!!!
jackson9520 2 weeks ago
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jackson9520 2 weeks ago
joey is fast, really fast hahaha
ROCKERZSIDE 2 weeks ago
Joey jordinson the best drummer ever
lc2724 2 weeks ago
BOTH!!!
xBAMBOOZALx 2 weeks ago
I'd vote for Dave Lombardo because he's more diverse, in my opinion.
Along with Slayer, I liked his style in Mike Patton's Fantomas and a few collaboration by John Zorn (to name a few of the groups he's played with). Because of those, I like to think of him as a heavy metal jazz drummer. :P
I have my respect for Joey, because he's sloppy playing fast, sounds good, and has good control when playing with Slipknot.
Both these drummers do have a speedy technique, so good comparisons. :D
ComposerSyterious 2 weeks ago
XDD joey makes it look awesome...the other guy kinda moves too much LOLOL
EvilFluffyBunny13 2 weeks ago
Manita arriba si piensas que joey jordison es el mejor baterista de todos los tiempos♥
Elcheetoo28 3 weeks ago
Lombaro > Jordison . Joey plays too fast live does not stay true to the song.example-psychosocial.He can play anthing though and has from black metal to korn.Even the guys in korn were tellin him."slow down." Dave also been doing this alot longer.However they both will go down as legions. Love em both so pick your poison.Joey does have alot more creative contibution to his music.In fact all most all of it.
LDX97 3 weeks ago
JOEY JORDISON OFF COURSE CLARO BRUTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06skull 3 weeks ago
Joey Es Mas Bravo lml
oOoDieGoOo100 3 weeks ago
oO i shut buy a drum!
MaskkedGuitar 3 weeks ago
Joey logico esse dave e um bosta
joaozimnunes 3 weeks ago
That should say "as a musician" in my post
whereisevan 3 weeks ago
joey!
SilEightySEK 3 weeks ago
Them both are good
loltommi 3 weeks ago
Sorry, but anyone that says joey is better knows as much about drums as a retard knows about rocket science. Yeah sure he can play somewhat fast in a very overrated, shitty band. But he is and always will be medicore, while dave is a professional.
kjer0nanny0slut 3 weeks ago
@kjer0nanny0slut
agree fully with you. As I said in my comments
vr4god2 2 weeks ago
Joey has said a number of times that he looks up to Dave and counts him as one of his inspirations. Don't get me wrong: Joey is one hell off a drummer, but Dave has Joey's accuracy and speed PLUS his breadth as a musicianship is just in another universe.
whereisevan 3 weeks ago
DAVE LOMBARDO
kobrastylez890 3 weeks ago
Joey
MrLifeafterdeath111 3 weeks ago
Gente nao tem melhor do q ele Joey ninguem bate ele
ele é fodastico
bruno17152 3 weeks ago
Such an easy question; Dave of course
SeMaksaa 3 weeks ago
they both win yeeeeaaa
TheINVADER147 3 weeks ago
AGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH FUCK THIS 2 IM GONNA PLAY THE SNARE DRUM
TheMorbidAsshole 3 weeks ago
Joey by far he is the bombbbb
ishowedu100 3 weeks ago
no one can beat joey, he is the god of drums,
XtremeEmoBlack 3 weeks ago
Hay mejores videos de Joey tocando, sim embargo aki le dieron preferencia a dave. Joey es mejor
kimicami1 3 weeks ago
As both a diehard slipknot and slayer fan.....i say they tie and should smoke a huge fatty together HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!
slayerkornmudvaynelo 3 weeks ago
Dave
milo333100 3 weeks ago
joey is a god of the drums no one is better then him
gohanspace 4 weeks ago
@gohanspace ...
therevengeofficial 3 weeks ago
joey only
biwwid 4 weeks ago
daaaveee
TheDato1996 4 weeks ago
joey
quechocastor 1 month ago
Dave Lombardo is the godfather of double bass, the inventor of the heavy metal drumming you hear today. No lombardo, no Jordison. Dave Lombardo by FAR! Every experienced metal drummer can play fast, but the groove and feeling makes Dave Lombardo the winner....so who is the best?: Mike Portnoy
K2GoesSki 1 month ago
ok i dont knw awful lot bout drummin.but 2 me frm wtchin this they have different styles.joey has ur typical metal fast doubles over doubles.whereas dave has a very jazzy technique&uses a range of cadences&styles.joeys parts in this video were "showy" & didn't do him justice wiv the goin upside dwn distracting from his drummin ability.2 me Dave wins this because of his versatility as a drummer the differing techniques used throughout the video and of course the double bass bit in angel of death!
natecoughlan 1 month ago
No mames joey se lo lleva el otro wey se aloca un chingo y joey se ve bien calmado ya un así se escucha bien chingon ...
Joey es el mejor y los que digan que no son unos pendejos de mierda
123jaimeTenorio 1 month ago
@123jaimeTenorio
ja se nota como saves de musica y bateristas....
samharryful 4 weeks ago
lombardo se lo lleva puesto en creatividad... Joey es pura bulla metalera
dsierra56 1 month ago
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk' , nem si comparaa ...
lombardo é um monstro !
deathgabriel 1 month ago
Joeyyyyy Jordison :D
buddydigga10 1 month ago
joey jordison
Makinaxst 1 month ago
JOEY JORDISON!
SisterKracker 1 month ago
É CLARO QUE O JOEY GANHA!
OLHA A DIFERENÇA DAS BATERIAS, A BATERIA DO DAVE É UM LIXO, UM LIIIXO, A BATERIA DO JOEY ALÉM DE SER BONITA, AINDA É GRANDE E COMPLETA! OS SOLOS DO JOEY SAO PERFEITO, SEMPRE AO SOM DOS PRATOS, DAVE NAO SABE IMPROVISAR UM SOLO! MIL VEZES JOEY DO QUE DAVE!
yuryanderson2009 1 month ago
@yuryanderson2009 Aposto que você nem sabe direito quem é Dave Lombardo né?
MpchermidafilhoA 1 month ago
i like joey but dave is the best
samharryful 1 month ago
joey -> slipknot
david28492 1 month ago
Olha só a marca da bateria do dave podre que nem ele toca .
kalistom 1 month ago
Incomparavél joey o melhor 10 vezes ele seus solos destroem quaquer um .
kalistom 1 month ago
Its funny all the kids who pick J. Jordinson have no explanation just "Joey" but the D. Lombardo are obviously the more experienced fans they can explain on a technical level. Not criticizing. Just making an observation.
ttapia1970 1 month ago
Fucking Dave Lombardo is the greatest in my eyes! I'm not an expert but i have played for 28 yrs and I just love his style and sound. Jordinson is a magnificent drummer as well. He brings out a great tight sound in his kit.
ttapia1970 1 month ago
JOEY JORDISON O MELHOR !
TheThiiiH 1 month ago
joey jordison o melhor baterista do mundo
rafaelvidalsilveira 1 month ago
ficaria melhor joey jordison vs dave LOmbrado
90roninho 1 month ago
joey
a1v3rt 1 month ago 2
dave...
Maiden4eva1995 1 month ago
que baterista toca d ponta cabeça e faz um solo que acaba com todos,...
Ms349761 1 month ago
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dave lombardo who member of the greatest thrash metal band of all time slayer, does anyone do it better than dave? i don't think so.. dave better than joey.
Poelizt 1 month ago
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Poelizt 1 month ago
nen terminei d ve o video e a resposta é obvia,joey Jordison
só o primeiro round ja decide isso
Ms349761 1 month ago
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Ok heres the deal. Joey Jordison--the name sounds gay coz of the letter "y" so if u put them together it will be JoeyGay.
Now Dave Lombardo-- this name sounds a luxury car "lamborghini" meaning high-end drummer and classic
So i go for Dave +1 SLAYER ftw!
rmdp3 1 month ago
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MrBEAT454 1 month ago
Plz..... Never compare Dave n Joey again.... Joey is no were near! Dave's level.
xAngelOfWrathx 1 month ago
dave kick joeys ass
biohazard3026 1 month ago
Joey
Airsoft7695 1 month ago
I don't really like Joey jordison... What he plays is often too brutal. Dave lombardo, Mike Portnoy and many others play for heavy metal bands, but don't only hit the toms extremely fast, they make something special that jordison must not understand :p
1989Hammett 1 month ago
joey..
vessel95 1 month ago
Dave Lombardo obviously is gonna win!!! Slayer!
ipoddude4ever 1 month ago
Joey
Guitarkido123 1 month ago
Joey + epic fail
Drumowicz 1 month ago
Joey is a good drummer and slipknot is a great band (r.I.p Paul) But when it comes down to it there's no contest Dave wins anytime any day
Floydfan8978 1 month ago
Please. This is an insult to Dave. That poser is not even in the same league as Dave Lombardo.
smoothhitman1 1 month ago
Joey is good metal drummer... Dave is good drummer for any style
kikho81 1 month ago
Wins Dave of course
kikho81 1 month ago 2
Got anything with a beat ?
rawdog42 1 month ago
joey is the best
tocxiict 1 month ago
have you people forgot about Neil Peart? i give it to both these dummers, they are amazing. but Neil has about 15 years on them both.
playahayton 1 month ago
joey best drummer all time...
lllWesT 1 month ago
obviously wins dave
danielmetal66 1 month ago
BOTH WINS
Nurax68 1 month ago
Dave has it all the way fuck those little slipknot pussys
Screamingfetas 1 month ago
They can both rip! But I think the Lombard has more Soul.
andylopi 1 month ago
Dave Wins
MetalMlilitia 1 month ago
Joey wins!
metalstormtheslayer 1 month ago
Joey and Dave are two different styles. I hate slipknot and love slayer but i pick joey because Joey is more extreme drummer. A lot of you dumb faggots um I mean maggots don't even know that Joey does a lot of side work for black metal bands. Seems like a lot of people don't want to give Joey his due because he is the drummer of a shitty band, but watch him get done when he is playing black metal. Fucking epic.
elia8604 1 month ago
Oh my gosh you stupid ignorant slipknot fans. "Oh joey jordison is the best drummer in the worrrrlllddd!!" are you kidding me?? Lets look at this from a rudimental standpoint. Joey= looks like he can do single strokes really fast with his hands and his feet, as can a 5 year old. Dave= rudiments all over the place!! Not as many as i'd like, but its there. Rolls, accents, DYNAMICS. Joey doesnt even know what the word DYNAMICS means. Any drummer that does enough meth can play that fast hahaha not
Solts777 1 month ago
this is to easy.. joey wins
ChicoSmith333 1 month ago
at dawn they sleep
allahhooah 1 month ago
A lot of Slipknot 12 year old fans here.
Rihew 1 month ago
joe kicks dave lombardo ass, so fucking bad lol
rdps123456789 1 month ago
XD
Zenonia3ILoveYu0 1 month ago
cazzo, dave lombardo fa parlare la batteria
amonkvasir 1 month ago
joey plays a lot of fast, short rhythms, Dave groves more, has longer rythm clusters. If speed isn´t everything you look forDave is clearly ahead.
nickgreeen 1 month ago
#1#joey
TheSic18 1 month ago
Dave is old school. And as you all guys know, old school always rules. Knew school only exist and play because there is old school. So, they use old school as mptivation in all senses.... Fucking dave...
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FKulua 1 month ago
Joey JoRdISON!!!
RxpKratusRxp 1 month ago
JOEY!!!
EsCaRe93 1 month ago
Joey Fucking ALL -,-
qrdq6169 1 month ago
Lombardo ;D is thrash metal shit nu metal slipknot
foxi183 1 month ago
Slipknot is the shit cause of him!
Austinvanpatten 1 month ago
Joey won this but dave has enough potential that if you put them on the same stage it would be a good fight
callofdutyfan75 1 month ago
dave macht undschöne übergänge
mikwe19 1 month ago
joey is the best :)
mikwe19 1 month ago
nice duel but joey wins
Loko2033 1 month ago
Who the hell is Joey?
veeheartsify 1 month ago