@Godlessons The reason why Dec 25th is popular is simple. Most of the gods associated with it are solar deities. Dec 25th is roughly when the solar new year starts. Meaning we start gaining more day light in the Northern Hemisphere.
All those "other" things you mention aren't really related to Christianity at all and were never intended to be. Oh, and btw... you failed to mention the atrocities committed by other world religions... hmmm... how convenient.
Godlessons..liked the video. Maybe you can help me out...you seem like an intelligent being. Why was the Bible and the stories in it written 50 years AFTER the death of Jesus? Why wasn't it written while he was alive? Were there no writers at that time? I find it hard to believe that a VIRGIN (Mary) could conceive. I believe the STORY is just that...a story designed to manipulate and control the masses. How many human beings have been brutally tortured, maimed and killed in the name of religion?
@Melshman11 Sorry man, this video wasn't intended to be funny, but your video isn't funny in the slightest, and I guess you intended it to be. "Do you poop?", "Can you pee?", give me a break.
"Christians don't seek to 'adopt' traditions, they merely want to show Jesus' true love for the world at around the time each year when Jesus was born. All of the rituals that originate from paganism Christians partake in but they are not promoted as Christian rituals, they are just commercial activities. The only thing that Christians would claim as a typical Christmas "ritual" is going to Church, which doesn't have its roots in paganism, but stems from a desire to live what they believe."
@Godlessons I decided that even though you didn't want it seen and deleted it, it was funny enough that other people would like it, so I reposted it. I hope you enjoy how silly you sound.
Fun tidbit: I'm from Eastern Europe, where the holly tradition did not exist. Not only do we not have said tradition, I had to look up holly to see what it was.
For those who need know more about the significance of what was on this video, read the history of the Church in India.
At different stages, force, bribery, food/monetary help played their part in the evangelisation process;t it was the next generation would know only Christianity as their religion.
Every religion has its own shady origin and history. It is what each succeeding generation makes of it, that counts.
christmas was a pagan holiday that christians stole. It's SOO much easier to read a history book and grow smarter than it is toread the bible and become a cave man.
From what I've read, converts often didn't understand at first that they were supposed to *only* worship the Christian god & often continued to worship their old gods as well as their new one. I believe one early prelate complained that one of his parishioners worshipped in church one day, then a couple of days later was in the goddess Flora's train of worshippers.
@eumenidis I haven't seen anyone say that, although I don't find it difficult to believe. Can you point me to somewhere that this is discussed? I'm interested in investigating this further.
@Godlessons I have to admit I'm such an inveterate reader & viewer of documentaries that I often have difficulty recalling just where I got a particular bit of information, but I believe I got that piece from a vid on ProfMTH's channel. I also can't say where, but I also recall reading the same thing in a number of places many years ago, though never stated quite so bluntly as in the vid.
This why, as an atheist, I still celebrate Christmas. I didn't even know it was a supposed to be a Christian holiday until I was like 15. I thought it was just a time when you get together with your extended family, exchange presents, eat some yummy food, and enjoy each other's company.
Your lying not ALL of the Christmas traditions come from Yule (the name of the pagan holiday). Some traditions were inspired from Yule, but not all. It was not stolen, Yule inspired aspects of Christmas. We know that Jesus born sometime in the spring, because that when they would be making the trek to Bethlehem. The true meaning of Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus (despite Jesus being born in the spring). Yule is a DIFFERENT holiday. Stop trying to brain wash people.
@LinkMEP Where the hell did I say all traditions came from Yule? Saturnalia, The festival of the unconquered sun, the birth of Mithras, etc. None of those are Yule.
Tell us which Christmas traditions didn't start out with Pagans. The only one I can think of right off is Santa. He's certainly not a symbol of Christianity though.
@Godlessons Yule is generally considered the holiday Christmas gets inspirations from, but will use your examples. And regardless no matter which pagan holidays you use as an example, they still just inspired many of the traditions of Christmas, they are still different holidays. Here are some traditions exclusive to Christmas: Prayers to Jesus, Nativity scenes, Angels on trees. There are also many traditions that the other holidays did that Christmas does not.
@LinkMEP They didn't "just inspire" the vast majority of Christmas traditions. The Catholics admit to adopting their celebrations and changing the meaning to help in the conversion of pagans.
Prayer to Jesus? So that only happens on Christmas? Nativity scenes of wise men that didn't go to Bethlehem but Nazareth, which didn't even exist during Jesus' time? If we believe Matthew, Jesus would have been a toddler, not an infant.
I think there's even more you don't know about Christmas.
@Godlessons All that you say is true. Adopted/inspired, two very similar terms. What I was saying about prayer and the other religious traditions is that many of the same traditions were used, but in a Christian context. Which makes Christmas a Christian holiday celebrating Christ.
@LinkMEP My problem is not THAT Christians use it, it is WHY Christians originally used it, and all that was entailed with the origination of Christianity. I further have a problem with the fact that Christians fail to accept all the atrocities done in the name of promoting their religion, which Christmas is just one.
To me, Christmas signifies the forced conversion of pagans. You can ignore that if you want.
@LinkMEP Yes, but when you consider the large amount of Norse things incorporated, coupled with the fact that the Scandinavian countries were very hard to convert to Christianity and were warred upon in order to get them to convert, I would say that it ultimately ended up in an active conversion.
@jamesplease1980 I never made any statement about what Jesus believed or taught. Christmas is not biblical in any way, and the way that Christians acted says nothing about Jesus other than their actions being seemingly required biblically, which can be taken as the case from the OT.
@jamesplease1980 The underlying vibe is that I hate hearing Christians talk about what the "true" meaning of christmas is, when in reality it is only that way if you overlook all the atrocities and accept what they have tried to create in the place of harmless winter festivals.
@Godlessons Just listen to yourself. You are talking about personal meaning. That changes depending on which point of history you're talking about. Getting back to the true meaning of christmas in 2010 is just a statement against commercialisation.
@Godlessons and liking that to christian atrocities is called an illogical "Historical Fallacy argument", its what you learn in first year philosophy classes at university.
@Godlessons No, not really; just stating the facts. you can remain mired in your ignorance; there's no law against that. Just know that one day you, like everyone else, will bow on bended knee to the one you claim doesn't exist, Jesus Christ. I pray for people like you that the blinders will be removed.
@telman349 What facts have you stated? You showed no ignorance but your own. You showed no fool but yourself. You showed no idiot but yourself.
Then, in your last message, you talked about this bended knee bullshit. You'll never see me on bended knee in front of any being as arrogant and evil as the Bible explains God is, so another fact is you're delusional.
I like the facts so far. Why don't you give us some more?
@Godlessons It is amusing to see how worked up people who don't believe in God can get. If He doesn't exist then you should have no problem staying mired in your ignorance. And yes, YOU will bow down on bended knee whether you like it or not, right before you are cast into the abyss for eternity. That is your fate because of your hatred and refusal to accept reality. There is still time to repent and admit the error of your ways, and He (God) will forgive you and grant you salvation.
I thought a pagan was a person who didn't belong to the local religion. There is no evidence that jesus was even a person. "No birthday to even celibate"
@no1saphead I am not one that would say Jesus didn't exist. I think it is entirely possible that Jesus existed, and I see no benefit in denying he ever existed. I don't think all the miracles attributed to him happened though, and I certainly don't think he was a God, and didn't when I was a believer either.
@Godlessons When I younger a friend always said as matter of fact jesus was born at Easter time.Fools like me bought that and repeated it .No documents birth death or anything. Didn't happen.Romans crucified alot of people without so much as even a note or a scratch on a rock.People shouldn't fall victim to this BS .
@no1saphead I feel sorry for people like you who are so blind they can't see their hand in front of their face. No evidence that Jesus was a person? What planet are you from? Merry Christmas fool!
@no1saphead Yeah, you go with that. One day you, and everyone else, will bow on bended knee to the one whom you claim does not exist. It makes no difference whether you believe or not.
@FcK2420 Go look at how the germanic and scandanavian pagan peoples were forced to convert. They were hounded and tortured for centuries in some cases. All the holidays the Christians could steal didn't make these guys want to be Christians.
@Godlessons and pagans never tried to force christians to convert???? You're deluded my friend. The vikings raped and murdered many christians and they were pagans!!!!
@FcK2420 The vikings didn't rape and murder Christians to get them to convert, they did it to terrorize them so they wouldn't have the will to fight. They could care less what religion they adhered to.
The pagans didn't usually initiate the conflicts, the Catholics did. They would try to convert them by talking to them, but when that didn't work, they would conquer them by force and burn their holy places and put churches in the ashes.
@FcK2420 Nice strawman. You assert that pagans, in the form of vikings, which are not all pagans, forced Christians to convert by raping and murdering them. I explained how you were wrong.
@FcK2420 I guess I could have stated that better. When I said "which are not all pagans", I meant that vikings are not "all pagans" or in other words, they do not encompass all pagans. Druids were pagans, but were not vikings.
@Godlessons hmm. But still the ancient romans were pagan?? They slaughtered christians in arenas for public display??? Point is people are people. You got bad atheist people and bad christian people.
@FcK2420 You just aren't getting it. We aren't celebrating a holiday that pagans used to con Christians into converting to paganism. We are celebrating Christmas, which is such a holiday. I don't see how you can't understand the difference.
@Godlessons Strangely, I agree with you, "forced" conversion is despicable, and it does not work because a person has to believe in their hearts that Jesus Christ is Lord. You cannot force someone to believe anything. But I believe your anger is misplaced. It should be directed at your own ignorance.
1st meaning of Christmas : The village shaman would collect huge hallucigenic mushrooms and let them dry on the branches of "Christmas" trees out in the forestm while he would bring a sack of already dry ones to his people. (fresh ones will poison you to death). 2nd meaning of Christmas : The death and birth Cycle of the SUN....
The reason for the season is that its too damn cold to do anything so people gather up, have fun, lunch, and mushroom trips.
Outside religious text, there is no historical proof of the existance of Jesus & a long list of contemporary writers around the same time & place of the presumed Jesus never mention a single thing about him/her/it, although they write minute details of other very important & less important people of their time & place. One of the winter festivities substited & monopolized by the christians are Saturnalia & the worship of Sol Invictus (as you call the sun god)
Nice summary of the origins and it doesn't stop at Xmas. Allthough i am not really up on the matter, i understand that such things as the virgin birth, messiah and resurrection are from other religions that predated christianity. Just goes to show, that not only is biological evolution true but so is the evolution of religion.
Good point
jobfromdayone 3 days ago
@Godlessons The reason why Dec 25th is popular is simple. Most of the gods associated with it are solar deities. Dec 25th is roughly when the solar new year starts. Meaning we start gaining more day light in the Northern Hemisphere.
CtheWolfe 2 months ago
All those "other" things you mention aren't really related to Christianity at all and were never intended to be. Oh, and btw... you failed to mention the atrocities committed by other world religions... hmmm... how convenient.
fsredmond 2 months ago
Uhh... Hello!!! It's called CHRISTmas... enough said.
fsredmond 2 months ago
The last time I checked, we all bleed red. Why are ther sooo many religions? It seems that these religions divide rather than unite.
tthunder891 2 months ago
Godlessons..liked the video. Maybe you can help me out...you seem like an intelligent being. Why was the Bible and the stories in it written 50 years AFTER the death of Jesus? Why wasn't it written while he was alive? Were there no writers at that time? I find it hard to believe that a VIRGIN (Mary) could conceive. I believe the STORY is just that...a story designed to manipulate and control the masses. How many human beings have been brutally tortured, maimed and killed in the name of religion?
tthunder891 2 months ago
Check out the meaning of Christmas on MY channel. I think it's a bit "funnier"
Melshman11 2 months ago
@Melshman11 Sorry man, this video wasn't intended to be funny, but your video isn't funny in the slightest, and I guess you intended it to be. "Do you poop?", "Can you pee?", give me a break.
Godlessons 2 months ago
this video is a little off
LaraCgurl 3 months ago
@LaraCgurl how's that?
Godlessons 3 months ago
Just what i was looking for!!Christmas is a LIE!!!I like your meaning better than the real meaning
atomiclydia 3 months ago
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EmilyMaryAlys 3 months ago
"Christians don't seek to 'adopt' traditions, they merely want to show Jesus' true love for the world at around the time each year when Jesus was born. All of the rituals that originate from paganism Christians partake in but they are not promoted as Christian rituals, they are just commercial activities. The only thing that Christians would claim as a typical Christmas "ritual" is going to Church, which doesn't have its roots in paganism, but stems from a desire to live what they believe."
Godlessons 3 months ago
@Godlessons I decided that even though you didn't want it seen and deleted it, it was funny enough that other people would like it, so I reposted it. I hope you enjoy how silly you sound.
Godlessons 3 months ago
propaganda....
AegeanKing 6 months ago
Fun tidbit: I'm from Eastern Europe, where the holly tradition did not exist. Not only do we not have said tradition, I had to look up holly to see what it was.
StrikaAmaru 6 months ago
For those who need know more about the significance of what was on this video, read the history of the Church in India.
At different stages, force, bribery, food/monetary help played their part in the evangelisation process;t it was the next generation would know only Christianity as their religion.
Every religion has its own shady origin and history. It is what each succeeding generation makes of it, that counts.
rhonapap 8 months ago
christmas was a pagan holiday that christians stole. It's SOO much easier to read a history book and grow smarter than it is toread the bible and become a cave man.
MrCommonSense100 8 months ago
Those christian bastards!
demonorse 11 months ago
From what I've read, converts often didn't understand at first that they were supposed to *only* worship the Christian god & often continued to worship their old gods as well as their new one. I believe one early prelate complained that one of his parishioners worshipped in church one day, then a couple of days later was in the goddess Flora's train of worshippers.
eumenidis 11 months ago
@eumenidis I haven't seen anyone say that, although I don't find it difficult to believe. Can you point me to somewhere that this is discussed? I'm interested in investigating this further.
Godlessons 11 months ago
@Godlessons I have to admit I'm such an inveterate reader & viewer of documentaries that I often have difficulty recalling just where I got a particular bit of information, but I believe I got that piece from a vid on ProfMTH's channel. I also can't say where, but I also recall reading the same thing in a number of places many years ago, though never stated quite so bluntly as in the vid.
eumenidis 11 months ago
"The meaning christians give to Christmas is a lie and a manipulation." Much like all of christianity!
MisterEvil1 11 months ago
This why, as an atheist, I still celebrate Christmas. I didn't even know it was a supposed to be a Christian holiday until I was like 15. I thought it was just a time when you get together with your extended family, exchange presents, eat some yummy food, and enjoy each other's company.
LuvStruckMess 1 year ago
Your lying not ALL of the Christmas traditions come from Yule (the name of the pagan holiday). Some traditions were inspired from Yule, but not all. It was not stolen, Yule inspired aspects of Christmas. We know that Jesus born sometime in the spring, because that when they would be making the trek to Bethlehem. The true meaning of Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus (despite Jesus being born in the spring). Yule is a DIFFERENT holiday. Stop trying to brain wash people.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP Where the hell did I say all traditions came from Yule? Saturnalia, The festival of the unconquered sun, the birth of Mithras, etc. None of those are Yule.
Tell us which Christmas traditions didn't start out with Pagans. The only one I can think of right off is Santa. He's certainly not a symbol of Christianity though.
Godlessons 1 year ago
@Godlessons Yule is generally considered the holiday Christmas gets inspirations from, but will use your examples. And regardless no matter which pagan holidays you use as an example, they still just inspired many of the traditions of Christmas, they are still different holidays. Here are some traditions exclusive to Christmas: Prayers to Jesus, Nativity scenes, Angels on trees. There are also many traditions that the other holidays did that Christmas does not.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP They didn't "just inspire" the vast majority of Christmas traditions. The Catholics admit to adopting their celebrations and changing the meaning to help in the conversion of pagans.
Prayer to Jesus? So that only happens on Christmas? Nativity scenes of wise men that didn't go to Bethlehem but Nazareth, which didn't even exist during Jesus' time? If we believe Matthew, Jesus would have been a toddler, not an infant.
I think there's even more you don't know about Christmas.
Godlessons 1 year ago
@Godlessons All that you say is true. Adopted/inspired, two very similar terms. What I was saying about prayer and the other religious traditions is that many of the same traditions were used, but in a Christian context. Which makes Christmas a Christian holiday celebrating Christ.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP My problem is not THAT Christians use it, it is WHY Christians originally used it, and all that was entailed with the origination of Christianity. I further have a problem with the fact that Christians fail to accept all the atrocities done in the name of promoting their religion, which Christmas is just one.
To me, Christmas signifies the forced conversion of pagans. You can ignore that if you want.
Godlessons 1 year ago
@Godlessons Christmas was a passive conversion.
LinkMEP 1 year ago
@LinkMEP Yes, but when you consider the large amount of Norse things incorporated, coupled with the fact that the Scandinavian countries were very hard to convert to Christianity and were warred upon in order to get them to convert, I would say that it ultimately ended up in an active conversion.
Godlessons 1 year ago
I hope the creator of this video has the open-mindedness and intellectual objectivity to separate what Jesus taught and an agreed upon civil holiday.
jamesplease1980 1 year ago
@jamesplease1980 I never made any statement about what Jesus believed or taught. Christmas is not biblical in any way, and the way that Christians acted says nothing about Jesus other than their actions being seemingly required biblically, which can be taken as the case from the OT.
Godlessons 1 year ago
@Godlessons If you wanna play that game then technically I didn't make a statement about what you believe. I only said "I hope.."
But lets cut the crap, there is an underlying vibe about your vid and thats what Im responding to.
jamesplease1980 1 year ago
@jamesplease1980 The underlying vibe is that I hate hearing Christians talk about what the "true" meaning of christmas is, when in reality it is only that way if you overlook all the atrocities and accept what they have tried to create in the place of harmless winter festivals.
Godlessons 1 year ago
@Godlessons Just listen to yourself. You are talking about personal meaning. That changes depending on which point of history you're talking about. Getting back to the true meaning of christmas in 2010 is just a statement against commercialisation.
jamesplease1980 1 year ago
@Godlessons and liking that to christian atrocities is called an illogical "Historical Fallacy argument", its what you learn in first year philosophy classes at university.
jamesplease1980 1 year ago
I see that ignorance is bliss! Merry Christmas fools! The idiot narrating this is a fool.
telman349 1 year ago
@telman349 Good argument. I guess you calling me an idiot makes you smart.
Godlessons 1 year ago 2
@Godlessons No, not really; just stating the facts. you can remain mired in your ignorance; there's no law against that. Just know that one day you, like everyone else, will bow on bended knee to the one you claim doesn't exist, Jesus Christ. I pray for people like you that the blinders will be removed.
telman349 1 year ago
@telman349 What facts have you stated? You showed no ignorance but your own. You showed no fool but yourself. You showed no idiot but yourself.
Then, in your last message, you talked about this bended knee bullshit. You'll never see me on bended knee in front of any being as arrogant and evil as the Bible explains God is, so another fact is you're delusional.
I like the facts so far. Why don't you give us some more?
Godlessons 1 year ago
@Godlessons It is amusing to see how worked up people who don't believe in God can get. If He doesn't exist then you should have no problem staying mired in your ignorance. And yes, YOU will bow down on bended knee whether you like it or not, right before you are cast into the abyss for eternity. That is your fate because of your hatred and refusal to accept reality. There is still time to repent and admit the error of your ways, and He (God) will forgive you and grant you salvation.
telman349 1 year ago
@telman349 Nope, there's no time. I have blasphemed his great invisibleness too many times. That is the unforgivable sin right?
Godlessons 1 year ago
I thought a pagan was a person who didn't belong to the local religion. There is no evidence that jesus was even a person. "No birthday to even celibate"
no1saphead 1 year ago
@no1saphead I am not one that would say Jesus didn't exist. I think it is entirely possible that Jesus existed, and I see no benefit in denying he ever existed. I don't think all the miracles attributed to him happened though, and I certainly don't think he was a God, and didn't when I was a believer either.
Godlessons 1 year ago
@Godlessons When I younger a friend always said as matter of fact jesus was born at Easter time.Fools like me bought that and repeated it .No documents birth death or anything. Didn't happen.Romans crucified alot of people without so much as even a note or a scratch on a rock.People shouldn't fall victim to this BS .
no1saphead 1 year ago
@Godlessons The by definition, you were never a "believer" because that would be a contradiction in terms.
telman349 1 year ago
@no1saphead I feel sorry for people like you who are so blind they can't see their hand in front of their face. No evidence that Jesus was a person? What planet are you from? Merry Christmas fool!
telman349 1 year ago
@telman349 I'm a jesus birther I need some evidence to the birth . With an official Roman government stamp.Merry Christ Myth !
no1saphead 1 year ago
@no1saphead Yeah, you go with that. One day you, and everyone else, will bow on bended knee to the one whom you claim does not exist. It makes no difference whether you believe or not.
telman349 1 year ago
@telman349 I guess I am an anti theist because I don't buy any word of that bible, MAY GOD BE LESS
no1saphead 1 year ago
you're making christians sound like evil bastards and pagans sound like angels. Totally wrong! get a grip.
FcK2420 1 year ago
@FcK2420 Go look at how the germanic and scandanavian pagan peoples were forced to convert. They were hounded and tortured for centuries in some cases. All the holidays the Christians could steal didn't make these guys want to be Christians.
I think forced conversion is dispicable.
Godlessons 1 year ago 2
@Godlessons and pagans never tried to force christians to convert???? You're deluded my friend. The vikings raped and murdered many christians and they were pagans!!!!
You're seeing black and white. Start seeing gray.
FcK2420 1 year ago
@FcK2420 The vikings didn't rape and murder Christians to get them to convert, they did it to terrorize them so they wouldn't have the will to fight. They could care less what religion they adhered to.
The pagans didn't usually initiate the conflicts, the Catholics did. They would try to convert them by talking to them, but when that didn't work, they would conquer them by force and burn their holy places and put churches in the ashes.
Godlessons 1 year ago 2
@Godlessons So raping and murdering is perfectly fine as long as you don't try to convert people? Quite a logic.
FcK2420 1 year ago
@FcK2420 Nice strawman. You assert that pagans, in the form of vikings, which are not all pagans, forced Christians to convert by raping and murdering them. I explained how you were wrong.
Make a little sense here buddy.
Godlessons 1 year ago
@Godlessons if vikings arn't pagans please explain to me what they are.
FcK2420 1 year ago
@FcK2420 I guess I could have stated that better. When I said "which are not all pagans", I meant that vikings are not "all pagans" or in other words, they do not encompass all pagans. Druids were pagans, but were not vikings.
Godlessons 1 year ago
@Godlessons hmm. But still the ancient romans were pagan?? They slaughtered christians in arenas for public display??? Point is people are people. You got bad atheist people and bad christian people.
FcK2420 1 year ago
@FcK2420 You just aren't getting it. We aren't celebrating a holiday that pagans used to con Christians into converting to paganism. We are celebrating Christmas, which is such a holiday. I don't see how you can't understand the difference.
Godlessons 1 year ago
@Godlessons Strangely, I agree with you, "forced" conversion is despicable, and it does not work because a person has to believe in their hearts that Jesus Christ is Lord. You cannot force someone to believe anything. But I believe your anger is misplaced. It should be directed at your own ignorance.
telman349 1 year ago
1st meaning of Christmas : The village shaman would collect huge hallucigenic mushrooms and let them dry on the branches of "Christmas" trees out in the forestm while he would bring a sack of already dry ones to his people. (fresh ones will poison you to death). 2nd meaning of Christmas : The death and birth Cycle of the SUN....
The reason for the season is that its too damn cold to do anything so people gather up, have fun, lunch, and mushroom trips.
graphattic 1 year ago 5
Outside religious text, there is no historical proof of the existance of Jesus & a long list of contemporary writers around the same time & place of the presumed Jesus never mention a single thing about him/her/it, although they write minute details of other very important & less important people of their time & place. One of the winter festivities substited & monopolized by the christians are Saturnalia & the worship of Sol Invictus (as you call the sun god)
manlioman 1 year ago 7
Nice summary of the origins and it doesn't stop at Xmas. Allthough i am not really up on the matter, i understand that such things as the virgin birth, messiah and resurrection are from other religions that predated christianity. Just goes to show, that not only is biological evolution true but so is the evolution of religion.
pilgrimpater 1 year ago 4
excellent video, this is one of the main reasons why i hate christmas, the other is now it is just a consumer holiday at its base. kinda depressing.
MobileThinker 1 year ago