Jesus is the Son of the only true God, therefore He is not God? John 17:3

[yahwehiswonderful]

read genesis 6:2 and ezekiel 2:1 jesus is not the son of god but of abraham idiot. no hebrew version exist only the greek, they were all hebrew.jesus or correctly yashoua was perverted by the romans to fit their multi god mystery religion system of baal worship, and completely takeing yahwehs name out of the new testament when it was used in all the other scrolls of the script. get your crap together before you try teaching or you'll be another false prophet.

[ETHANGELIST]

@yahwehiswonderful Paul was a persecutor and enemy of Christianity until his conversation soon after Christ's death in which the resurrected Jesus appeared to him. And he wrote this:

† who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord, † (Romans 1:4)

According to Paul, Christ's resurrection confirmed Jesus was indeed THE SON OF GOD. So are you telling me Paul was a liar?

[ETHANGELIST]

@yahwehiswonderful And do you have any real evidence supporting your theory that YHWH's name was taken out of the New Testament?

[thelambsservant777]

Jesus is the Lord Messiah, He did not claim to be the LORD GOD, that would be His Father, Jesus is the Son of GOD. You are the Christ, Son of the Living God. Peter does not say You are the Living God. Now Ethan, this is the Biblical testimony. Jesus NEVER said Ego Emi Ho Ohn, GOD said to Moses: Thus you will say to the Israelites, HO OHN (NOT Ego Emi) has sent me to you..." The Divine Name, GOD of the Hebrews Name is OH OHN not Ego Emi, Check it out yourself Ex.3, in the LXX.

[thelambsservant777]

Ego Emi by itself without Ho Ohn, does not equate YHWH, any way you slice it. Ho Ohn, Existing One LXX is used by YHWH in Exodus ch3, NOT Ego Emi without Ho Ohn. Jesus Never claimed to be the Existing One, not once in all Scripture. Instead Jesus makes it abundantly clear, He on His own can do Nothing. "I am" is not the Divine Name, demonstrates authority yes, but is not the Name of GOD. Not before Abraham was I was, I am, showing preminence over, not that He is GOD Almighty, not Ho Ohn..

[ETHANGELIST]

@thelambsservant777 So why did the Jews want to stone Jesus in John 8:59, after He said "I am" in John 8:58?

[thelambsservant777]

@ETHANGELIST The Jews wanted to stone Jesus because Jesus was claiming premenince over Abraham and the covenant that GOD made with Abraham. Even when the Jews picked up stones to stone Him because they thought He was claiming to be God, say in John ch.10 for example, Jesus corrects them. There is no way Jesus was claiming to be God. "Why do you say I blaspheme because I said to you I am a son of the GOD. Is how it literally reads..

[ETHANGELIST]

@thelambsservant777 So the Jews did not think Jesus was claiming to be God in John 8:58? Instead He was only claiming to be higher rank than Abraham? And you think that's a valid reason for them to attempt to execute Him even though execution is illegal outside Rome's permission? Remember Jesus was answering their question. They wanted to know how He had preexisted to the time of Abraham, so if your interpretation is true, then He did not answer their question at all. (cont...)

[thelambsservant777]

@ETHANGELIST They picked up stones to kill Steven also, dont you remember? Is that a valid reason for them to execute Steven. Sir, Let me help out here a little if I may..Jesus said Abraham saw my day(Not I saw Abrahams day) and was glad, Gal.3:8 explains this Abraham DID see the day of Messiah when the Gospel was preached to him. Jesus did not say before Abraham was I was, He said before Abraham was I live, I exist, Present tense not past tense, Your conclusions are incorrect on these points.

[ETHANGELIST]

@thelambsservant777 (cont...) Jesus was comparing His existence with Abraham's existence in John 8:58. He was not talking about rank at all. The Jews asked Jesus about existence not about rank and He answers their question by saying He is eternal. Claiming to be higher rank than Abraham is not blasphemy and is not worthy of the death penalty at all. But of course, IF Jesus was claiming to be God, the Jews' response would make perfect sense. & I think that was John's whole point when he wrote it.

[thelambsservant777]

@ETHANGELIST Joh 8:37 I know that you are offspring of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me because my word finds no place in you. They were ready to kill him not because a claim to be YHWH, but because he told them they were slaves to sin, being Abrahams physical offspring they took great offense to this. Are you greater than Abraham who is dead? Video is off, Jesus cannot be the exact imprint of the Fathers Nature if not eternal? Father alone is omnicient, Rev.1:1, Who does Jesus pray to now???

[SopaterTheBerean]

So, the father begetting the Son can't be compared to human begetting? Then why did you compare it to human begetting. I have the same human nature as my father had, but I am not the same human. Your logic leaves you with more than one God, but of course you won't admit that. Another question, is God, who is a spirit, immutable? If he isn't, how could he have mutated? How can I be the son of my father and be as old as he is? That's nonsense. Luke 1:35.

[Danielezerable]

The Greek means single. The Father is the single true God. If you note, it does not say Trinity. Did Jesus ever say "The Trinity is the true God!"? Out of curiosity, if Trinitarian apostates like you who told others that the Trinity is crucial to knowing who Jesus is, why doesn't Jesus tell others about this marvelous mystery? This is because Anti-Trinitarians aren't denying Christ! Trinitarians are!

[ETHANGELIST]

@Danielezerable Jesus did tell others about it.

He said: † so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. † (John 5:23, NASB)

And: “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (John 8:58)

If you don't believe Jesus is the I am, the eternal One, YHWH, you have a false Christ, then you fail to honor the Son, and therefore dishonor the Father. You don't believe what Jesus said in John 8:58.

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST John 5:23 - This is so simple. It's like the President's top ambassador is in your office as the King of England. What are you going to do? Lop off the guy's head? That wouldn't honor the President and that wouldn't honor the ambassador. You should check out answeringchristianityDOTcom. Jesus is actually saying, "before Abraham existed I existed." Of course, even a leap to pre-existence is a leap as the phrase is the same as me answering "I am". Thus, Jesus is literally exalting him

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST self above Abraham. "Are you Daniel?" "I am." And they picked up stones to throw at me. Ooooooh! I committed blasphemy! Interesting, Ephesians says "imitate Christ". Well since Jesus claimed to be God as you Trinitarian and Modalist heretics teach...then I am imitating God's Christ when I say "I am God!" So LOL! I am God and you are not. You better listen to me. I am imitating Christ. Christ claimed to be God. I am God.

[ETHANGELIST]

@Danielezerable "Well since Jesus claimed to be God as you Trinitarian and Modalist heretics teach...then I am imitating God's Christ when I say "I am God!" So LOL! I am God and you are not. You better listen to me. I am imitating Christ. Christ claimed to be God. I am God."

I can't even believe what I'm reading right now. You seriously trying to use that as an argument????? Sigh.

If Jesus was only saying "before Abraham existed, I existed", He could've said "I was" instead of "I am".

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST So how about that for self-contradictory logic?

[DnRchristianity]

So, you're implying that the Father is the only true God and the Son is the only true God and the Holy Spirit is the only true God, yet not three true Gods, but one true God? Nt only did the Trinitarians murdered mathematics, but they are murdering the word "only" as well.

[ETHANGELIST]

@DnRchristianity Each person of the Trinity is 100% God, not 1/3 God. So yes indeed, each person is the only true God, because each person is fully YHWH. 1+1+1=3 persons, but when it comes to the Being of God: 1x1x1=1 Being.

Have you watched my video "Isaiah saw Jesus as Yahweh" yet?

[DnRchristianity]

@ETHANGELIST You're funny i must say, do you know what the word "only" means? Check again your Bible! Jesus called the Father "the only true God" and did not say "may they know us, the only true God"

Consider this: If i tell you that Barack Obama is the only president of America, is there any way that someone else may also be the President while Obama is the current President?

[ETHANGELIST]

@DnRchristianity Again, of course the Father is the only true God. Comparing the unique Being of God to Obama is just silly. We are not to interpret John 17:3 in a vacuum. We're supposed to look at the whole gospel. If Jesus is excluded from the realm of "only true God" because of what He said in John 17:3, then is Jesus a false god according to John 1:1, 1:18 and 20:28? Not to mention He claims to be God heaps of times: John 5:17-18, 8:58-59, 10:30-33.

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST John 1:1, 18, 20:28 - powerful one John 5:17-18 - Look at the conetext in full. John 8:58-59 - I'm guessing after what the Son of the Most High God said to the pharisees all they wanted to do was stone Him for claiming to be God, am I right? John 10:30-33 - Jesus is claiming to be the SON of God (10:34-39). Always good to read the whole context.

[ETHANGELIST]

@Danielezerable The Jews say to Jesus in John 10:33: “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”

So according to the Jews Jesus was blaspheming because He claimed be to God. Then Jesus says in verse 36: do you say of Him... ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

This proves claiming to be God and claiming to be the Son of God are interchangeable. They're the SAME THING.

[ETHANGELIST]

@Danielezerable (cont) And why are they the same thing? Because (according to John 5:18) to claim to be "the Son of God" is to claim equality with God. Equal in nature and power. A son is always the same being as his own father. Therefore Jesus must be the same Being as God, if He is the Son of God. It would be abomination for Jesus to be a different being than His own Father. I already know the full context of John 5. There is no problem and Jesus never says He is not equal with God.

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST "a son is always the same being as his father" Um...I don't know about you but this was heretical in the early church.

[ETHANGELIST]

@Danielezerable That's a heresy in the early church huh? Give me evidence then. Give me quotes.

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST Irenaeus: Irenaeus (AD 115-200) : "...the Father himself is alone called God...the Scriptures acknowledge him alone as God; and yet again...the Lord confesses him alone as his own Father, and knows no other." " . . this is sure and steadfast, that no other God or Lord was announced by the Spirit, except him who, as God, rules over all, together with his Word, and those

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST Pope Dionysius (AD 265) : "Neither, then, may we divide into three godheads the wonderful and divine unity.... Rather, we must believe in God, the Father Almighty; and in Christ Jesus, his Son; and in the Holy Spirit; and that the Word is united to the God of the universe. 'For,' he says, 'The Father and I are one,' and 'I am in the Father, and the Father in me'."[24] Yet, Jesus is not treated as synonymous with God.

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST Clement of Rome (AD 45-101) : "The apostles received the gospel for us from Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ was sent from God. So Christ is from God, and the apostles are from Christ: thus both came in proper order by the will of God." Also, "Let all the heathen know that thou [the Father] art God alone, and that Jesus Christ is thy Servant..."

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST John 5:19 - The Son can do nothing on His own, save what He sees the Father doing. Jesus DENIES co-equality. The Jews in John 10 also accuse Jesus of being demon-possessed. If your final authority comes from the synagogue of Satan, then according to your logic, Jesus is also demon-possessed.

Wow... :p

[ETHANGELIST]

@Danielezerable Jesus does not deny His equality with God in John 5:19 at all. The Jews actually interpreted Jesus to mean He was opposed to God, like a "renegade son", so Jesus says He doesn't do His own rebel things apart from the will of God, instead He perfectly does everything the Father wills. That's what Jesus meant. He never says He is not equal with God, He instead corrects their misinterpretation of Him being in a competition against God. I hope to make a video on John 5:15-23 soon.

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST Again, why do you assert the Jews position? Have you not learned by now that they are nothing but liars? They called Him demon-possessed. According to your logic, "if Jews say so, it must be true," Jesus is demon-possessed. And if the Son can do nothing by Himself, how then can you possibly interpret the LYING "Synagogue of Satan" to have any accuracy?

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST Also, if you look at John 5:22 a little more closely, the Father is giving the Son authority. Once again, Jesus is denying co-equality. You can even check out the link I have posted on my channel which does better cover on this verse than I can give you.

But no. If Jesus says the Father is the true God, then Jesus is not the true God. Jesus is instead the true Demigod.

[DnRchristianity]

the Bible clearly said that Christians are "sons of God". Do the Bible imply that Christians are "unique" and "uncreated" or existed from beginning with God? Not to mention the Trinitarians, they are the real pick and choose people that formulating their own doctrine.

[ETHANGELIST]

@DnRchristianity There is a big difference between being "a son of God" or "a child of God" than being "THE Son of God" or the "firstborn" or "only begotten" or "the one and only Son". Christians are not described that way, but Jesus indeed is. His relationship with the Father is a unique relationship. None of us Christians have that same unique and eternal begetting relationship.

[ETHANGELIST]

@TriuneApostolic Yeah that's true. They pick and choose and when a verse hints at what they desire the verse to mean, they twist the verse and read their theology into the Bible.

The same goes for Col 1:15 and "firstborn" and also Rev 3:14.

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@Gottschalk864

Do you understand that the true disciples of Jesus are those who have been begotten of God?

[ETHANGELIST]

@TheTrinityDelusion Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, whereas all true Christians are adopted into God's family as heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ. John 1:18 says Jesus is the "monogenes theos" or "unique God". The NASB translates that as "only begotten God" and the NIV, "God the One and Only".

Jesus is the unique Son of God and the firstborn, which means heir to everything God has.

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@ETHANGELIST

All true disciples are begotten of God. Jesus is the "firstborn of many brothers" (see Rom 8:29 & Heb 2:11) and his disciples are co-heirs of God co-heirs together with Christ. Indeed, Jesus even goes as far as saying this:

"To him who overcomes I will grant to SIT WITH ME ON MY THRONE, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."

Your logic is errant inasmuch as that which is begotten of Adam is not Adam. You are confusing nature and identity.

[ETHANGELIST]

@TheTrinityDelusion Do you believe Jesus preexisted His incarnation?

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@ETHANGELIST

So are we changing the subject now? How about we resolve on thing before moving on to another?

Are you a begotten son of God or not?

[ETHANGELIST]

@TheTrinityDelusion I'm "a son of God" but I'm certainly not "the only begotten Son of God". What does this what to do with the Trinity? I'm not comfortable with saying I'm begotten from God, when Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. But I guess you mean "begotten son" just Christians are adopted into God's family right?

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@ETHANGELIST

Our Holy God is spirit, Holy Spirit. The Scriptures tell us how God makes us His sons - begetting us by His Spirit.

You asked, "What does this have to do with the Trinity?"

You are arguing that whatever is begotten of God IS God.

Believers are begotten of God.

Figure it out.

[CristoYcruz]

@ETHANGELIST Jesus is not inherent deity it was bestowed in him by his Creator as were all things. The Father is the original and Jesus is the exact copy of the original, so all that Jesus Is, he Is because of his Father who is the Giver of all things.

[ETHANGELIST]

@CristoYcruz If Jesus is "the exact copy" of God, how is it possible for Jesus NOT to be eternal? If Jesus is not eternal, His copy is a really bad copy. His nature cannot adequately represent the Father's nature if Jesus is a creature. A creature CANNOT be compared to the Almighty, eternal God, Yahweh. Only an eternal, Almighty person can be the exact representation of God's nature (Heb 1:3).

It disturbs me how fine you are with giving so much glory to a creature.

[CristoYcruz]

@ETHANGELIST exact representation, exact likeness

From the same as charax; a graver (the tool or the person), i.e. (by implication) engraving (("character"), the figure stamped, i.e. An exact copy or (figuratively) representation) -- express image.

2Cr 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by(ek-out of) the power of God.... Jesus is not eternal only his Father who gives him life forever. And stop speaking from your mouth lies, let God' word speak.

[CristoYcruz]

@ETHANGELIST Said: It disturbs me how fine you are with giving so much glory to a creature.

Answer: You're willingly ignorant you know his Father bestowed in him his deity, life, and all things. His Father gave him very much glory not me, even when he was born he said of his newborn son, and let all the angels of God worship him.

[ETHANGELIST]

@CristoYcruz Jesus is the God-man. 1 person with 2 natures. That is how the Father bestowed on Him the name above every name.

"His Father gave him very much glory not me, even when he was born he said of his newborn son, and let all the angels of God worship him."

You just proved my point. Romans 1:25 describes you.

[CristoYcruz]

@ETHANGELIST Rom 1:25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator(Father), who is blessed for ever

Jhn 4:22Ye worship ye know not what: we(Jesus) know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth

[CristoYcruz]

@ETHANGELIST Exd 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.(Father) Jesus nor I don't have any other gods before God(Father) like you do>>trinity(3-gods). You're an Idolater.

The angels nor I worship the Lord Jesus Christ as God but as the son, that makes you a big time Idolater according to Exd 20:3; Rom 1:25; Jhn 4:22-24. You pierced yourself with God' word and refuted your own self.

[ETHANGELIST]

@CristoYcruz The best argument you have is a personal insult against me lol.

I worship Jesus as John did, as Paul did and as every inspired writer of the NT did. John 12:41 guarantees Jesus is the Almighty, eternal God, YHWH. Compare John 12:37-41 with Isaiah 6:1-10. I have a video on that. It is irrefutable proof Jesus is YHWH according to God's Word. You have still never been able to reconcile that passage. How can you not question your beliefs? Your heart is hardened.

[CristoYcruz]

@ETHANGELIST You don't worship the God and Father of Jesus as he did/does, you worship three false gods(3) trinity so stop lying. John 12:37-41 don't prove your opinion you just twist it like all other scriptures to your own destruction-2Pe 3:16.

Like I said, you're an Idolater according to Exd 20:3; Rom 1:25; Jhn 4:22-24. Because you worship three false gods(3) trinity, Jesus, Paul, John, worshiped only one God the Father, again, you have refuted your own self, repent of your wicked Idolatry.

[DnRchristianity]

@ETHANGELIST You should know by now that that most Bible Translaters are Trinitarians, ofcourse would they use words such as "one and only" and "unique" just to make feel more comfortable. Some Bible versions read John 1:18 as "only begotten One" or "only begotten God" depend which Text u use (Alexandrian or Byzantine). Only the Alexandrian Bible copies read "only begotten God". Another thing is that a God cannot be begotten. No matter how creatively you twist the Greek word "monogenis" .

[ETHANGELIST]

@DnRchristianity "Another thing is that a God cannot be begotten. No matter how creatively you twist the Greek word "monogenis" ."

And how would you know God can never be begotten? You would agree that YHWH is a truly unique Being right? How would any of us know for sure that YHWH is one person? Or more than one person?

[TheTrinityDelusion]

@Gottschalk864

So you confess that you are not begotten of God?

[TheTrinityDelusion]

Are you a son of the only true God?

[ETHANGELIST]

@Gottschalk864 thanks bro.

Yes the same thing applies to 1Cor 8:6. Unitarians abuse that verse even though it is a strong Trinitarian verse.

You should also watch my video "Isaiah saw Jesus as Yahweh". John 12:41 compared with Isaiah 6:1 may very well be the strongest proof in the Bible Jesus is Jehovah because it is undeniable and inescapable.