The Truth Behind the United Horsemen's Pro-Slaughter Campaign - Part 2

[manoroaks]

Weren't the plants that were in the US previously owned by people from another country.

[moondnce27]

@manoroaks Yes they were owned by foreign companies in Europe. In TX the last plant, paid 5.00 in taxes.

[squirrel991000]

This may be the truth, but only because they have to be taken to other countries where slaughter is totally unregulated. If we had it opened back up in the U.S. this wouldnt happen, it would be regulated, and handled humanely.

[moondnce27]

@squirrel991000 What wouldn't happen that horses wouldn't be given bute? Did you watch the video?

[CanAmFam]

@squirrel991000 - It was horribly inhumane when we slaughtered horses in the U.S. Horses routinely suffered in transport, sometimes arriving with limbs torn off, eyes gouged out, trampled - or dead. These are all documented injuries in USDA photos. One load arrived with FOUR DOAs - and that transporter is currently still shipping horses BUSINESS AS USUAL. There was no humanity when it operated here.

[MorganLver]

@squirrel991000 No, our slaughter plants were absolutely NO better than the plants in Canada or the EU certified plants in Mexico where most of our horses go. I lived in TEXAS and I was inside Dallas Crown. It was a hell hole with no HINT on humanity anywhere. I still get sick thinking about it and my friends' stolen horses that were brutally butchered there. You've been listening to Sue Wallis too much. I was there.

[Bevkins]

Great job everyone who worked on this film and contributed. Let's stand together and stop this heneous slaughtering of our American heritage........the horse!!

[moondnce27]

@foalfan ummmmmm, I think you meant this to be in response of someone else's post.

[foalfan]

@moondnce27 My apologies

[foalfan]

Add taxes when people breed their horses, pay a tax for every foal born and every Breeding from Studs. Have the AQHA and other breed registries require an extra 5.00 per registration fee that will go towards rescue organizations. Adopt a Mustang and let it stay wild, pay the Government .40 cents per head for each Mustang running wild (They only make .20 per cow) Face it, it's all about the almighty dollar. THAT is what will make people stand up and listen.

[vickitobin]

CanAmFam, Exactly! And that is because horses are not food sources and used for other purposes such as racing, riding, performing, law enforcement, therapy, service and work. They require maintenance products and meds for injuries and illnesses that are banned in food animals. I really don’t know what is so difficult to understand. Food safety is black and white. Banned is banned and they can’t go to slaughter if they’ve received a banned substance.

[moondnce27]

California banned horse slaughter in 1998. California has experienced no increase in abuse case, and even noted a decrease 3 years following the ban. During the 4 years that [the Cavel slaughterhouse] was closed, Illinois saw a noticeable decrease in abuse and/or neglect cases. Texas, which had the only two slaughter plants in 2003, had among the nations highest rates of cruelty and theft.*

*International Fund for Horses

[vickitobin]

99horses, perhaps you don’t understand that horses and cows are two different species. In horses, wormers are banned in horses intended for food. If you don’t believe me or what the FDA or EU has mandated, put on your glasses and read the labels on horse wormers. NOT FOR USE IN HORSES INTENDED FOR FOOD. Whenever you see those words on a product or med, it means you can’t send your horse to slaughter for human consumption.

[Danceagain80]

@99,This is about horses, not cows, chicken, pigs etc. If if was, the WAY we Slaughter any animal, is disgusting and cruel. We don't care! How is that? How did we get to be those kind of ppl. Why can't we then get rid of ppl this way, that are unhealthy, undesirable, a drain on society. Why is is different because it's a human being. What makes that different. I'm using your strategy, Where is the line. No animals are not humans, but they do deserve respect, kindness and a decent life.

[Danceagain80]

99horse, first of all I don't really believe you that you don't use wormers, bute, ban-amine etc. Lets get to the real issue. Money, cruelty, abuse and neglect. Over-breeding, a man-self-created down market for the horses. I'm guessing you would eat your favorite dog or cat? This is about evil, greed and selfishness. This is about, nasty politics, and a woman name Sue, that is trying to cash in on a lucrative deal. This is about, what you are willing to do for a buck, at any cost.

[sandimac46]

Great video! Finally the truth is being told about the inhumane treatment of our horses. No horse should ever have to endure the treatment they get in the slaughter pipeline. Good job, thank you for getting the word out. Give it up Slaughterhouse Sue, you can't win!

[FreedomRunsFree]

Now that's more like the images of Slaughterhouse Sue that are realistic!

Depressingly and disgustedly repugnant and evidence of what will happen when you eat the meat of American horses..... beautiful lives that do not deserve the horrific ending of their peaceful existence to line greedy pockets in this frightful, cruel and uncivilized manner.

Greed has no shame and no intelligence. Cruelty and the need for murder is a product and documentation of insanity.

Photoshop can't help ugly

[terryhess11]

Great Job!! Lots of facts that can not be ignored!!

[Danceagain80]

This is very informative and educational video. Accurate, and factual. So many things, that are evil and unjust, it is rooted in power and money. Sue Wallis, is a legislature, that is serving her own, and her family's agenda. Why she hasn't been taken to task for this, since she is a representative, for Wyoming is beyond me. Maybe some will. She foster hate, and lies against the horses, yet promotes the welfare of the industry. The "Industry" is not the Equines, but her pocketbook.

[vickitobin]

@99horses, sorry to burst YOUR bubble but what you call horses is not the issue. The issue is they are not raised and regulated as food animals in the US. It doesn’t matter if you call them livestock, farm animals or companions, they are not food animals. And that is what Wallis and her ilk continue to ignore.

[vickitobin]

@99horses, bute is banned in all food producing animals except dairy cows under 18 months of age. One dose and they can never go to slaughter for human consumption. Never. Cows and horses are two different species. Whether you agree or not, wormers are banned in horses intended for food. Read the law. Are you saying we should start looking closer at the production of food sources?

[99horseowner]

@vickitobin It doesn't matter if the dewormers are banned in horses used for food, it's still the same exact active ingredient that is used on cattle, and pigs and sheep and goats.

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner And it's STILL banned! You know why? Because the FDA doesn't consider horses food animals so they don't require the manufacturers of horse products to run the extensive and expensive tests to determine clearance times in horses as are required for food animals. Therefore, this information is known for cattle but NOT for horses, thus it's a banned substance in HORSES. There IS a reason. It's also the LAW.

Don't shoot the messenger! Take it up with the FDA why don't ya?

[MorganLver]

@vickitobin Vicki, it's banned now in dairy cows of any age. They were finding bute residues, so they stopped allowing it's use.

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[stopkillingequines]

99horseowner: You do not give your horses wormer or bute when they are in pain? shame on you

[letmrunfree]

The horse eaters can say whatever they like....the facts are the facts. Horses are not intended to be used as a food source. They were considered LIVESTOCK when they were used as machines. Today in the real world, horses are companion animals, pets, therapy for the handicapped and loyal steeds. They are NOT livestock and NOT food! The slaughter industry is fed by OVER BREEDING which is fed by GREED. Reduce the breeding/End the slaughter/have horses designated as Companion animals and save them.

[99horseowner]

@letmrunfree Sorry to burst your bubble, but horses ARE still classified as livestock. You think any city in the usa will suddenly let you keep your horse in the back yard just because it's been labeled a "companion animal" by you? Nope the cities and towns and the IRS still all calls horses Livestock. 

[moondnce27]

@99horseowner Horses are classified as companion animals by the FDA and the FDA states which chemicals and medications can and cannot be used in animals intended for human consumption. Secondly since the market for horsemeat is overseas, the European Union has banned the used of Bute, ever, in an animal for human consumption. SO before you go spouting off...perhaps you should read.

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner Not by the FDA they're not. And they're the ones who make the food safety rules. Sorry. Also, have you never heard of "boarding stables"? For my first 15 years as a horse owner I lived in Dallas, TX. I boarded my horse in a stable right in the middle of Dallas. There were houses all around it. Some lived so close they could walk over. I didn't live THAT close, but it was only 10 miles. If you care to look that up, the stable is still there. Google maps-8949 Lanshire, Dallas, TX.

[MorganLver]

@letmrunfree Actually, the word "livestock" doesn't mean food animal necessarily anyway. It means a "useful" animal on a farm or ranch, and "not a pet." I doesn't have food animal anywhere in the definition.

The FDA however considers horses companion animals and/or non-food animals. That's why they don't require the manufactures of horse products to run all the tests that are required for food animals. That's a fact, whether the horse-eaters like it or not. WE didn't make the laws.

[moondnce27]

@MorganLver Nor will the pharma companies run the test on the horses.....clincial trials to test for use in food animals would not be profitable. Clinical trials are very expensive to run. Getting FDA approval is very expensive and a live horse uses more medication than a dead horse. Therefore it would behoove them NOT to run the trials.

[MorganLver]

@moondnce27 They're not going to run expensive drug clearance studies mandated for food animals by the FDA because the FDA doesn't require it for horses - non-food animals.

[RRWD]

Awesome video! And it sticks to the facts. Another fact ... the EU is on to the medications that US horses are given. As well, they are becoming aware of the cruel and inhumane treatment that slaughter horses from North and South America must endure.

[tellitlikeitis2]

@99horseowner - I'm happy that your horses are healthy and sound. But what's your point? Horse slaughter is a cruel death and an inhumane way of "disposing" of unwanted horses, regardless of whether, or not, they have been medicated.

Wallis is trying to disguise an unacceptable practice behind a veneer of acceptable "need". Horsepucky. Horses are NOT a food animal; they have never been bred for, raised for, or consumed as, a primary food source. Slaughter is an immoral, irresponsible cop-out.

[99horseowner]

@tellitlikeitis2 Horses have been a part of the food chain for generations here in the USA . did you know that as recently as the 1980's people were still LEGALLY eating horse meat? Eating horse meat is no different then eating cows, pigs, sheep, goats or chickens.

[tellitlikeitis2]

@99horseowner - Nice sidestep. Horses have NEVER been RAISED for food in the U.S. And horse slaughter is still inhumane and cruel.

Next, you'll be advocating for slaughterhouses for dogs and cats, so we can include them as part of the food supply. Same dif, no? And how do you think THAT would fly in America?

Also, we have LOTS of "unwanted" children born in America and the world. Human meat is high protein. Are slaughterhouses a convenient way to "solve" the problem of "unwanted" children?

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner In all but a few states, you can eat all the horse meat you want. You can slaughter your OWN horse and eat it every bit. You can GIVE it to all your friends & relatives. You just can't SELL it across state lines for human consumption. There are niche markets for EVERYTHING. So what?

It IS different - Far more cruel because of the nature of horses as prey animals, and since horses are not raised as food animals they are contaminated with substances banned for humans.

[foalfan]

99horseowner You, are an idiot. only about 10% of the horses that go to slaughter are wild. The rest are all domesticated horses. Just because you don't give your horses bute (probably because you don't take care of them properly when they are injured) doesn't mean nobody else does.

[99horseowner]

@foalfan Just because my horses don't get bute doesn't mean I don't care for them properly. I don't need to give my horses bute because they haven't been injured. I don't need to give my horses bute because I don't abuse mine when they are to young like others do. My horses compete 100% drug FREE. Oh and don't pull the I don't know how to care for them BS either. My Degree in Equine science plus years and years as a vet tech have taught me how to properly care for all my animals.

[moondnce27]

@99horseowner Have yoyu ever used banamine? Wormed your horses? Etc...they all say not for use in horses intended for slaughter for human consumption.  You don't vaccinate your horses? WOW if you don't vaccinate, worm etc...then perhaps you need to go back and get another degree. It's not about abuse, your horse can be out in the field and be playing around and get hurt.

[99horseowner]

@moondnce27 First of All my response was specifically on the bute issues. It's a flat out lie to state that almost every horse in the USA has bute in their system. Second I haven't had to use banamine either (yet) I had one gelding who lived 23 years before he got either drug. As for the Dewormers, honestly the dewormers are the IDENTICAL products used on our cattle, pigs, sheep and goats. Everyone who eats meat has Eaten an animal that has been given those same drugs.

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner ALMOST all have - THE HORSE ran a poll and 99% of thousands of respondents said yes. No one says EVERY horse, but MOST have. A huge number of slaughter horses are failed off-the-track Thoroughbreds, and EVERY one of those have had bute - you can guarantee that. Lots of bute and no telling what else. I have to even think. There's a reason heroin is called "horse."

Besides, you act like prescription drugs are that only banned substances. NOT. Check the labels on your horse stuff.

[99horseowner]

@MorganLver 99% of respondents out of only thousands of owners when there are millions of owners and millions of horses. Not every one has access to or use of a computer and not every horse owner visits horse websites.

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner And your point is....?

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner It's called statistics - ever heard of those. It's using a statistically valid sample to predict the behavior of the whole. That's how EVERY poll in the world works. GEEZ!

[99horseowner]

@moondnce27 and since cows, pigs, sheep and chickens are also subjected to vaccines, how is that different then a horse getting vaccines? The Claim that horses are loaded with drugs doesn't hold any water when cows, and poultry and other "meat" animals are dosed with growth hormones, vaccines, dewormers, and antibiotics daily. the Regular meat animals are as doped up daily as horses are. Don't see people rushing out to stop eating those meats.

[moondnce27]

@99horseowner First incase you hadn't noticed, a horse is different from a cow. The FDA classifies horses as companion animals and BUTE is prohibited in all animals intended for slaughter and the Eurpean Union states....that any animal that has ever received bute must not be slaughtered for food.

[CanAmFam]

@99horseowner Clearly you do not raise non-horse livestock. Any medication used on food animals has been tested for withdrawal times for specific animals and cannot be used within a certain time of slaughter. Also many drugs used on horses are outright banned in food livestock. And drug use in horses - unlike food animals - is not tracked, and cannot be verified safe. Period.

[99horseowner]

@CanAmFam Clearly you have never worked in a slaughter house or feed lot or sale barn where those rules are ignored.

[CanAmFam]

@99horseowner How does that make it right? Are you saying America SHOULD export toxic horsemeat to unsuspecting countries?

[99horseowner]

@CanAmFam I'm saying that America is currently exporting toxic, beef, pork, and chicken and no one is complaining one bit about any of that.

[CanAmFam]

@99horseowner - I know lots of livestock producers that would vehemently deny that. Livestock producers are not using the same level of drugs on livestock as on horses because livestock doesn't need "performance enhancing" medication, or joint medication or medications for various chronic conditions.

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner Oh yes they ARE! And loudly. Their being ignored by people like you just like you ignore us about horses. You never heard about food.com?

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner Oh yes they are. And by next year, any horse presented for slaughter in an EU certified plant will have to have been on the passport system - or something similar - from birth or they will not be accepted. Better start in on that paperwork and getting your permanent ID for any foals you produce. Enjoy.

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner Of course we have. That's why we're saying HORSES should NEVER be there! What goes on with other animals NOT the issue here. It SHOULD be stopped, certainly! But, that's NOT what we are discussing and has absolutely NO bearing on what's done with horses. Can you not understand that simple thing?

[99horseowner]

Additionally did you know that the USE of bute in Dairy cattle over 20 months was just barely banned in 2003 Before that there was no ban on using bute in dairy cattle of any age.

[moondnce27]

@99horseowner Do you want to drink or eat theses things? Bute causes aplastic anemia, birth defects among other diseases. It was banned for use in humans back in the 50s. Horsemeat was banned from dog food in the 70s. So we don't feed it to our dogs because it makes them sick...yet you want to eat it?

[99horseowner]

@moondnce27 That was incorrect. Horse meat was still served at Harvard until mid 1980's and it's never been officially BANNED from dog food. In fact your dog food today contains rendered euthanized horse meat. The removal of horse meat from pet food was not regulated out by any legislation federal or state.

[CanAmFam]

@99horseowner - pet food contains rendered euthanized horse meat? Really? Are you dealing with a full deck? The Pentobarbital used in euthanasia of horses would KILL a dog or cat.

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner You ARE crazy!! Horse meat hasn't been used in dog food for decades, whether is was formally banned or not. They DO NOT use it. Zoos are going to beef too for the same reasons.

And EUTHANIZED anything? I think NOT! GEEZ!

[99horseowner]

@MorganLver Obviously you haven't read the studies the FDA has done on dog food lately? more than 50% of all brands of dog food carry the Euthanasia solution used to put animals down. And they also CARRY the DNA of horse meat. Horses are still being used in dog food weather you think so or not. They are just not used as a "main" ingredient so they don't have to label it. Read your dog food label. Meat By-products includes horse.

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner No, they are NOT. If there is horse meat in the can, there has to be a label stating that it's horse meat. I don't believe there is euthanasia solution it would knock dogs to hell and back. I don't know if someone told you this or you just made it up, but if there is ANY horse meat it has to be labeled. Meat by-products means cattle most likely. They don't USE horse meat "by-products" for ANYTHING these days because of the drug residue problem. Better luck next time.

[Lil28one]

@MorganLver, what 99horseowner is referring to with the "by-products" on pet food labels is a common myth circulated by small niche brand pet food companies stating that "by-product" always means something bad. In reality, "by-product" on a pet food label can mean anything from good, healthy organ meats to beaks, feathers, etc. They have also tried to circulate that euthanized animals are used in pet foods. Some people like to believe everything they read on the internet.

[MorganLver]

@Lil28one I know. "by products" can be many things but it certainly is NOT a code phrase for "horse meat'! I can't imagine falling for something so ridiculous. As for horse by products, they aren't used for anything anymore. Even rendering plants won't take their blood because of the residue contamination. As for using euthanized animals in pet food....... I don't THINK so!

[Lil28one]

@MorganLver That is exactly what I was saying. People fall for the ridiculous lies that these small pet food companies come up with everyday.

[moondnce27]

@99horseowner please post the link to this informaiton.

[jmyers4597]

@99horseowner We have lived and learned thank God ! ! ! ! ! !

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner Yeah, and bute used to be licensed for PEOPLE until the side effects started showing up. Old science is trumped by new facts. What WAS is not relevant in any context. Pure Sue Wallis tactic.

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner Horses are not given growth hormones and if they were, they would be banned in the EU just like our cattle are. Not EVERY horse vaccine is banned, but some are-maybe the same ones given to cattle. BUT in cattle, extensive tests have been run to determine clearance times of allowed drugs. Not so for horses-not required because the FDA considers horses "non-food" animals. Same drug, but no tests. Sorry. You goofed again.

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner Any reason you posted this uninformed piece of junk twice?

[foalfan]

I have always said we need to attack the demand instead of the supply. A big billboard in every country overseas that has an Opaque horse with the American flag in the background, a list of all the drugs used daily on our horses and a huge "Bon Appetite" across the bottom. If people overseas are informed about America's use of drugs daily on our horses and no longer WANT American horsemeat,, what do you think will happen to the slaughter market?

[moondnce27]

@foalfan these videos are being translated into other languages and will be circulated in several countries that eat horsemeat

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner You don't worm them? Do you actually think that's OK? It's hard to believe you don't help your horses when they are in pain! My horse had a stone bruise a few years ago, and he was HURTING! Low dose of bute for a couple of days made him comfortable & happy. That's the ONLY bute he's ever had & he's 13 years old, but he's banned from the human food chain even if he lives to be 100. Not that I had any plans for that anyway...

[MorganLver]

@foalfan BLM Washington Chief Don Corey verified that when they round up the wild horses they WORM them and if they are in pain, give them BUTE. Not only that, a truck full of horses that had been in BLM's Long Term Holding was apprehended in Texas just a few weeks ago. No telling HOW much wormer and bute THOSE had been given!

99 ~ You are an uninformed jerk and we know what we are talking about. I've been on this for over 30 years, and many others have been working for years too. Go away.

[shawneecline10]

It is so true that the love of money is the root of all evil. This is more evidence of that, unfortunately.

[99horseowner]

More lies. Bute is used in almost every horse in America? Really? Wonder how all those horses running wild on the rangers are getting a hold of prescription drugs? Illegal drug smugglers? And it's not just BLM mustangs running wild. Rez horses and large ranches. Shoot even in my 'dull domestic herd" most of my horses have never had bute in their life times. Really good job perpetuating lies.

[jmyers4597]

@99horseowner The blm horses do get bute in they are treated in a humane fashion upon capture...There are many more in holding pens than on the range...so I guess if they haven't received any it is once again a travesty perpetuated by the BLM...NO LIES here.....The greater majority of horse owners in the USA treat their horses kindly and relieve their pain whenever it is needed...If not then they are cold hearted at the least...So I guess you would be one of those included among the cold hearted

[99horseowner]

@jmyers4597 If they wouldn't abuse their horses then their horses wouldn't need the bute in the first place. Starting colts to young and pushing un fit horses are the two main reasons for injury in horses these days.

[jmyers4597]

@99horseowner Sorry but wrong once again...My horse is treated like a king. He has gotten injured out in the pasture and needed it to be comfortable..I am just an ordinary horse owner. When they are treated like they should be they are in a herd and monitored for injury frequently and things like that are noticed and treated...I abuse NO animal. Never Have Never Will.....

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner Horses are accident prone. You must never have been around horses. They get bumps, bruises and dings out in pasture or in a stall all by themselves. If you had a painful bruise, wouldn't you take an aspirin? Same thing.

[99horseowner]

@jmyers4597 My horses don't need the bute because they aren't in pain. Honestly can you not believe that horses and go through life healthy happy and pain free without drugs?

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner Not really. As I said, horses are very accident prone. You don't have to to anything. No matter how safe an environment provide, they usually find a way to ding themselves - pulled muscle, stone bruise, cut, etc. Small and insignificant, but painful. My Morgan has iron feet, but, a few years ago he did manage to bruise his sole. It was painful for him, and why in the world would I let him suffer when a couple of doses on an NSAID not only stops pain, it reduces inflammation.

[bjdb64]

@MorganLver Instead of all these horse owners doping horses with drugs? Why can't you use natural remedies for your horses? Is it not just as important to their overall health? Why not soak that sore/bruised hoof in Epson salts and use vinegar mixed with natural oils to protect them from flies? There are many natural products to use without the use of toxic drugs.If you inject the animal with drugs you are risking it's health by doing so. That in itself is abuse to the animals.

[moondnce27]

@bjdb64 Most people do, however, the rules are if an animal has received bute ever in it's lifetime, they cannot be slaughtered for human consumption. I'm all about natural, however there are times...they are required. Vaccinations...there are no natural options for vaccinations...and none of the medications have been tested on horses intended for slaughter for human consumption. The manufacturing companies are not going to spend the money to test them for that purpose.

[MorganLver]

@bjdb64 I don't call 2 grams of bute over two days "loading up." Soaking would have done nothing but soften the sole and make it worse. He didn't have an abscess that needed to be drawn out. He just needed something to control inflammation and pain. And vinegar and whatever oils you want to use DOES NOT control the flies. Don't you know "natural oils" can indeed be toxic? They can, and I'm not messing with them, Traditional veterinary practices have served me well and I'm sticking with it.

[bjdb64]

@MorganLver I don't call a 2 gram dose of bute over two days "loading up" either. But there are many other options in treating inflammation and pain in horses. And before you go to telling me what fly treatments do and do not work, well I know what I use and what works. I'm not a "horse eater" I adore my horses and choose not to eat the meat. That DOES NOT give me the right to take that option away from anyone else. What I see as a pet others may see as food and that's their right.

[MorganLver]

@bjdb64 Why SHOULD I use something other than bute for occasional use? It works and is perfectly safe when used properly. I KNOW what does and doesn't work for ME too! I don't care if they work for you - these concoctions DO NOT work for me and my horses HATE them Who is taking away the option to eat horses?In almost all states it's legal to slaughter your OWN horses. You can eat them and give the leftovers to your entire family. You just can't SELL them for human consumption. Seems fair enough.

[moondnce27]

@bjdb64 Do you or anyone else in this country have the right to eat their cats and dogs? no you do not, Does someone have the right to introduce tainted meat into the food supply chain? No they do not.

[moondnce27]

@99horseowner The wild horses, are a very small minority of horses. Those are also not the ones going to slaughter, the largest number, by breeds, are Quarter Horses and Thoroughbreds. They have almost all been vaccinated, dewormed, and or had or received Bute. The EU states that if an animal for slaughter has ever received bute even once in their lifetime, they must be excluded from slaughter for human consumption.

[Danceagain80]

@99horseowner, The Mustangs have been given PZP for several ongoing years, to stifle their expansion of the herd. As far as domestic horses. I serioulsy doubt, that your domestic herd, has NOT been wormed, and or given Bute, Banamine, Ace in their life time. Am I calling you a liar? What I am saying, is if you have even wormed your horses, you have contaminated meat. Yes, depending on your "Domestic Herd" age, numbers etc, you mgiht be just that, a liar! Or ignorant at best.

[99horseowner]

@Danceagain80 Doesn't matter if my domestic herd has been dewormed, The beef you eat carries the same dewormer ingredients in it. As does the chicken and pork. The Ingredients in the dewormers are the same across the board so why only focus on the chemicals in the hroses? And what is so hard to believe that horses don't always need bute, banamine or ace?

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner For the THIRD time. Manufacturers of products for food animals have to run extensive tests to determine drug clearance times for that PARTICULAR species. The FDA does not require these tests for horse products because they are non-food animals. The wormers HAVE been tested for cattle, but NOT for horses and different species have very different clearance times. Does NOT matter if it's the same DRUG. It's in a different SPECIES. Get it now?

[vickitobin]

moondnce, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with food safety laws. The EU prohibits all wild equidae meat except zebra meat. So bute or not, our wild horses are ineligible for horse slaughter.

So are you saying you've never wormed your horses, used fly spray, ointments, etc.? If so, what kind of care do you provide for your horses? Read the labels on meds and products you use.

[99horseowner]

@vickitobin do do you think the Beef Producers read the labels of all the products they put on the cattle? You do realize the same dewormers used in horses are used in other animals as well right? It's just a flat out lie to say that horses are drugged up more than any other "meat" animal. Until all Anti horse slaughter people stand up and go totally vegan, you all have no standing at all. You are right now eating all the drugs and even more in the beef, sheep, pork and poultry you eat.

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner I bet the beef producers DO read labels! Raising food animals is VERY different from raising non-food animals. Drugs act differently in different species. The clearance times are well established for food animals, but no tests have been run for horses because the FDA does NOT REQUIRE it for non food animals, in which classification they put horses. If you are actually too dumb to understand plain words, you need to get off here and stop acting like an idiot.

[vickitobin]

Sorry, my post should have been addressed to @99horses, not moondnce27

[CanAmFam]

@99horseowner It would be productive if we could debate the reality based on facts, instead of your personal (and clearly biased) experience. In studies, 99 to 100% of racehorses have been given bute, many on race day. And it's estimated that 60% of racehorses go to slaughter, some of them directly following a bad race (where they were raced on bute and probably Lasix). So tell me, how would you GUARANTEE no bute in American horsemeat?

[MorganLver]

@99horseowner The BLM gives it to them when they are periodically rounded-up. See my other post. Like I posted before, THE HORSE-official publication of the pro-slaughter AAEP-ran a poll of their readership, and 99% of respondents said YES. That's a pretty good indication the MOST horses do get bute at sometime in their lives. All it takes is ONE dose ever in their entire lives. There is no way to track whether they have or haven't. Bute is too dangerous to humans to chance that kind of odds

[BrandiGTurner]

Very good job!!! Thank you for giving credit to Animals Angels.

[stopkillingequines]

For once..the facts are getting out there! people, do you really want your kids eating horse flesh that is tainted with toxins. do not believe ANYTHING that comes from the pages of "United Horsemen"..all they want is to reestablish slaughter facilities. Let us make a stand, support s1176 and contact your congressmen and women to co sponsor this bill. Let's make an end to horse slaughter

[MorganLver]

@stopkillingequines AMEN!

[jmyers4597]

Once again..My HAT is off to you my dear friend ! ! ! ! !