This required borrowing back then as well. Papandreou kept winning elections by putting more and more Greeks on the payroll and abused power for personal benefit (he and his cabinet made lots of money manipulating Greek banks). He changed the culture for a new generation of entitled young Greeks, leading by example that it is OK to not work hard, retire at 50, leave the wife and hang out with the mistress in public.
Greece’s fiscal problems did not start with adoption of the Euro in 2001. They started 30 years earlier with the Socialist government of Andreas Papandreou who began building an unsustainable civil service, with benefits that liberals in America can only dream of.
Austerity measures are necessary. And please, Greece, you the home of logic, of frankness, don't you agree?
You'd better start working hard, or your precious country, your freedom won by the blood and sweat of good Christians and patriots, will be taken. So many foreigners in your country now, what has happened to you?
Take the lumps like men. Get up, innovate, sweat, pray, live! And find new life!
What is Greeces military budget, how much has it gone up since 9/11. Australias went from 5 billion in 2001 to 27 billion a year in 2010 ,Americas is now 330 billion which is 1/3 of their annual budget. This is tax payers money that is being waisted on so called terrorist. Start doing your home work people start demanding where every cent of tax payers money is being spent, and make it public information, then you can take your country back into your own hands and not the hands of blue collars.
i support the idea of europe, but theres got be some protection and support of local industry total open capitalism dosent work, or else we become like 1 big country and adopt 1 common language laws army etc, and then start new companies with common effort and strategic places to have jobs, like this theres couple huge companies that arent german or french anymore but more like the international jews and the rest is stuck in europe poor and dying, germany wasnt got a pill against this problem
the strange thing is that when portugal spain and other countries entered eu they werent living above their possibilities and life was good, now industry is gone, replaced by multinationals and we have the quality of life like eastern europe at best, theres only 3 countrys that benefitied from this germany france and italy and even those are loosing because their companies became too big and are moving away to greener pastures, they got big by fucking the smaller ones in smaller countries
Greece needs to go back to the drahma, so they can compete economically with other countrys exporting thier goods cheaper,so as to making Greece more appealing to investors.Creating jobs from foregin investors through industry and new businesses from the low drahma instead of the euro.Only draw back is any goods bought from Euro countries would be more expensive,but spending would be cut down and self reliance would be forced.Cleaning coruption in GOVERNMENT AND WASTEFUL SPENDING.
@kyriacos40 edw omws krivete mia pagida,ta dania p pire i ellada einai se evro,ean pame stis draxmes kai akolouthisoume politikh ipotomhshs tis draxmis gia na ginoume poio adagwnistikoi ta dania tha ginoun poli poio akriva logo ths xamilhs dinamhs tis draxmhs...apo tin alli tha ftiaxtoun doulies alla to kratos tha prepei na afksanei sinexos tous forous pragma p tha blapsei tin ellhnikh oikonomia ksana...exoume apoklistei afti ti stigmoi logo ton danion p exoume parei...dn iparxei girismos!
@uzimodem This people are complaing for service cuts to the people, last time I checked the democrats are for services while the republicans are the ones that want to cut services provided for the people, thats what austerity is all about, so youre more likely to head this way by the republicans not the democrats...
@xhappyxlifex :well, it is more deep then that. they are upset that they will have to retire after 60 then 50, and the fact the socialist nanny state has no money left to pay for it. Fewer people being born, fewer people who pay taxes to support the outrageous entitlements. The pied piper has come to collect.
hard situation... can't support, but can't protest i think. The more time they spend in this, the more money they lost, the more deeply is their debt...
@bigbother1 . reform and close tax loop holes for the rich what ?? thats the standard libber fix for EVERYTHING , the average retirement age id 61 i say keep working ..gimme gimme is all the libbers and commies want .Greece is the example of nanny state failed liberalism
@bigbother1 this is a failure of liberalism nice and short . it a ponzi scheme
people at the bottom loose out . libbers spend thats what they do best ,, theres no more money Germany and Europe have to bail you out ? and your resisting austerity measures
America was last Free in 1913 from the a gradual decline in freedom. Now the State takes care of us, we are not responsible so we are not free.
In 2 years we get what you have now. The Free Money is over and the Bill is due. If you have a job you pay the bill. The current system is a lot lke getting drunk. Its great but sooner or later you wake up with a bad hang over. Greece is waking up with a hang over. America is still drinking in the bar.
greece people socialism has failed you. you have been lied to. America has not bee a capitalist country for 80 years. we have been a fascist state called progressivism. Progressives in America have cause 12 wars, bankrupted our country, and lude dour treasury. Don't buy the lie that we are capitalist. we are not. feedom is the way to live don't sell out to the communists.
greece didnt asked for bail out,but for loan,germans or any other europeans are not paying,they are loaning...thing about it in the end europeans will make profit out of greece but is wont be any common european just reach folks...anyway for some dumb heads that believe that there country is lawfull and rich,investigate about the corruption of politicians and learn about your public debt(germany 7 trilion cia fact book)the strange is that every country in the world has debt,somethings going on!
@DoelGr Americans are broke. Our government has luded our treasury. taken our money and given it to the wallstreet banks. They have stolen money out of every area of our treasury and now they are wanting more. So I say fuck them and a revolution is brewing in America. We HAVE HAD IT TOO!!! NO JOBS, OBAMA IS BEHIND THE CCX SCAM THAT WILL FORCE US TO PAY FOR CARBON AND THE WORLD WHILE GETTING YOU MONEY TOO.
The policemen are stupid. They will also suffer if the government cuts down there salaries 30%. I wonder what they tell there wife and there children. The only ones who will continue with there good life are the minister and the members of the parliament. You people from Greece: Fight for your rights! We here in Germany lost these rights already but you have still the chance to be free nation!
@evitaXX62 I got the facts..I know that other EU countries now has to pay Greece 120billion euros....Finland must pay 2 billion euros...and guess when a finn gets his pension?...at 63-68...a greek gets his pension at 53 years....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@OSORIOO - dont be pathetic; there is no "WE GREEKS gave you" you have nothing to do with those Greeks you are talking about.. It is friking simple: if you are spending more that you earn sooner or later you are fucked up. Do I have to pay for your stupidity because ancient Greeks "gave civilization;)" to Europe?? hahahaha. Do not try to blame politicians because YOU voted for them!!!
@OSORIOO You can raise your luxury pensions from 53 years to 67 years for a start...other EU countries , that now has to pay Greece ,have 63-68 years for their citizens...you can cut your gigant army 50%, who is threatening Greece? It cant be Turkey, because Turkey is a NATO member as Greece..so it is possible to cut the army 50%
Socilsim is a failed ideal. Unions want benfits and security without any consideration for what the markets can bear. Open your arms to the free market system and you will prosper again. Run away from these ridiculous unions and giant governments that are taking your wealth, future and families. USA teachers unions are a joke they only care about themselves and tenure nothing of our children.
@romeoneverdies You wrong, because if u change all people on top, very soon you will have another group of people with same ambitions. Money produce scaricity and motivation of profit have no conscience if you dont understand it , we are fucking doomed. checkout my channel
problem is that money cannot be eliminated and yes i do inderstand that money is the root of all evil ! ( greed is evil hence money = evil) the only other alternative is where greed does not exist where you are satisfied and happy with what you got .
ppl have the distorted notion that ppl canot be satisfied by just being . and not doing or getting.
I feel sorry for the people who has nothing to do with the politics various errors... The last error they did : asking for the gold stolen by the nazi germany! Now I understand Merkel for refusing any help : you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you, any pet knows that...
The issue arose only after Germany played hard ball with Greece by calling them thieves, my great grandfather lost his home and his Greek gold Lyres worth over 1 million by the Germans and eventually 70% of my family starved to death, while we had to work our way up by generation the Germans had been fed by our hand and grew prosperous. We're talking about over 2 billion dollars worth of gold stolen during that era. Yes I think Germany Greece quite a lot.
Not saying the German people are feeding off of Greece, you're just taking what I wrote out of context. I'm just replying to a previous comment that Germany gave 50 billion dollars to Greece when in fact Greece has lost much more and because of that fact we played a part on Germany's flourished society while Greece had to start from scratch depending on other country's. It's unfair to make a comparison and this flawed argument is driven by hatred and idiocy.
ha,ha Germany is betting that Greece will default on debt. On the Credit Default Swap market. Germany and Goldman Sachs is looking a monetary gain off from Greece's default on debt.
Yes, agreed stay away and don't invest in Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain. But the UK and France do have a little debt for themselves to balance as well. Civil Unions in the UK on a 48 hour strike. The USA teachers unions are on a move. But there's no money for the teachers or even the schools. Teachers and people are talking about shutting down schools for a year in Southern California. California State employees receiving IOU's for payroll.
Don't let the media fool you there is much more behind this crisis and I smell a cause for supreme change. Upon further research students of Athens University have found out that Greece has large deposits of Uranium, oil and Gold, locations Macedonia(Greece), Aegean Sea, Thrace and Epirus. If you look at the big picture all these places have small battles either be it Albania, Turkey or FYROM all supported by the U.S, I think the lion wants to finally catch its meal.
This required borrowing back then as well. Papandreou kept winning elections by putting more and more Greeks on the payroll and abused power for personal benefit (he and his cabinet made lots of money manipulating Greek banks). He changed the culture for a new generation of entitled young Greeks, leading by example that it is OK to not work hard, retire at 50, leave the wife and hang out with the mistress in public.
buddacafe 55 minutes ago
Greece’s fiscal problems did not start with adoption of the Euro in 2001. They started 30 years earlier with the Socialist government of Andreas Papandreou who began building an unsustainable civil service, with benefits that liberals in America can only dream of.
buddacafe 55 minutes ago
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Just face it we are pussys!
Greekabout 5 months ago
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@Greekabout < ------JUST FACE IT YOU ARE A FYROMONKEYDONIAN
FYROMINJA 5 months ago
solidarity from France.
Einheitsfrontlied 6 months ago 2
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I'm sorry, but I gotta say it: MAN UP, GREECE!!!
Austerity measures are necessary. And please, Greece, you the home of logic, of frankness, don't you agree?
You'd better start working hard, or your precious country, your freedom won by the blood and sweat of good Christians and patriots, will be taken. So many foreigners in your country now, what has happened to you?
Take the lumps like men. Get up, innovate, sweat, pray, live! And find new life!
AthensAnna 7 months ago
What is Greeces military budget, how much has it gone up since 9/11. Australias went from 5 billion in 2001 to 27 billion a year in 2010 ,Americas is now 330 billion which is 1/3 of their annual budget. This is tax payers money that is being waisted on so called terrorist. Start doing your home work people start demanding where every cent of tax payers money is being spent, and make it public information, then you can take your country back into your own hands and not the hands of blue collars.
r902179 8 months ago
Solidarity from Mexico.
jonis3092 8 months ago 2
i support the idea of europe, but theres got be some protection and support of local industry total open capitalism dosent work, or else we become like 1 big country and adopt 1 common language laws army etc, and then start new companies with common effort and strategic places to have jobs, like this theres couple huge companies that arent german or french anymore but more like the international jews and the rest is stuck in europe poor and dying, germany wasnt got a pill against this problem
badsign1980 1 year ago
the strange thing is that when portugal spain and other countries entered eu they werent living above their possibilities and life was good, now industry is gone, replaced by multinationals and we have the quality of life like eastern europe at best, theres only 3 countrys that benefitied from this germany france and italy and even those are loosing because their companies became too big and are moving away to greener pastures, they got big by fucking the smaller ones in smaller countries
badsign1980 1 year ago
nA XARW NIATA!!!!
Ana3imandros1 1 year ago
Greece needs to go back to the drahma, so they can compete economically with other countrys exporting thier goods cheaper,so as to making Greece more appealing to investors.Creating jobs from foregin investors through industry and new businesses from the low drahma instead of the euro.Only draw back is any goods bought from Euro countries would be more expensive,but spending would be cut down and self reliance would be forced.Cleaning coruption in GOVERNMENT AND WASTEFUL SPENDING.
kyriacos40 1 year ago
@kyriacos40 edw omws krivete mia pagida,ta dania p pire i ellada einai se evro,ean pame stis draxmes kai akolouthisoume politikh ipotomhshs tis draxmis gia na ginoume poio adagwnistikoi ta dania tha ginoun poli poio akriva logo ths xamilhs dinamhs tis draxmhs...apo tin alli tha ftiaxtoun doulies alla to kratos tha prepei na afksanei sinexos tous forous pragma p tha blapsei tin ellhnikh oikonomia ksana...exoume apoklistei afti ti stigmoi logo ton danion p exoume parei...dn iparxei girismos!
DoelGr 1 year ago
this where the US is headed if we allow Obumbles and the socalist party called the Dems to take us there.
uzimodem 1 year ago
@uzimodem This people are complaing for service cuts to the people, last time I checked the democrats are for services while the republicans are the ones that want to cut services provided for the people, thats what austerity is all about, so youre more likely to head this way by the republicans not the democrats...
xhappyxlifex 1 year ago
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@xhappyxlifex :well, it is more deep then that. they are upset that they will have to retire after 60 then 50, and the fact the socialist nanny state has no money left to pay for it. Fewer people being born, fewer people who pay taxes to support the outrageous entitlements. The pied piper has come to collect.
uzimodem 1 year ago
The World Is with You.... Please Dont Give Up. NWO is destroying everything.....
LetsFri 1 year ago 2
Woohoo i was in there :D SOLIDARITY FROM FINLAND! WE WILL NOT BECOME SLAVES OF THE 21st CENTURY!
Scatmanfi 1 year ago 2
hard situation... can't support, but can't protest i think. The more time they spend in this, the more money they lost, the more deeply is their debt...
wraith255 1 year ago
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Abolish money. No MONEY NO POWER No BANS NO WAR
NO Scaricity
TZMRussia 1 year ago
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TZMRussia 1 year ago
the land of Sparta is infested with liberal pussies that don't want to work to solve their problems
they now cry for help but the liberals continue to want their baklava and eat it too LMFAO
why760nitro 1 year ago
@why760nitro
what thou should of done ( greece tha tis ). is to defualt on its debt, go back to the drackmar curency , then lower its value
and ge thold of the bankers to pay back some of it, then reform and close tax loop holes for teh rich
AND TELL GERMANY TO GIVE GREECE BACK ITS MONEY AND TREASURE IT STOLE FROM GREECE WHEN IT INVADED IT
bigbother1 1 year ago
@bigbother1 . reform and close tax loop holes for the rich what ?? thats the standard libber fix for EVERYTHING , the average retirement age id 61 i say keep working ..gimme gimme is all the libbers and commies want .Greece is the example of nanny state failed liberalism
why760nitro 1 year ago
@why760nitro
i said abit more than that. put them all togher and you get a better understanding. which you havnt done
LEAVE ME ALONE IM BORED
bigbother1 1 year ago
@bigbother1 this is a failure of liberalism nice and short . it a ponzi scheme
people at the bottom loose out . libbers spend thats what they do best ,, theres no more money Germany and Europe have to bail you out ? and your resisting austerity measures
why760nitro 1 year ago
@why760nitro
who is me?
im not in greece or even greek
but i love you so kiss me
bigbother1 1 year ago
@bigbother1 OOOPAH ,when you spend more than you take in this is what happens
pass the baklava ,
why760nitro 1 year ago
Support from America
payazaiskool 1 year ago
America was last Free in 1913 from the a gradual decline in freedom. Now the State takes care of us, we are not responsible so we are not free.
In 2 years we get what you have now. The Free Money is over and the Bill is due. If you have a job you pay the bill. The current system is a lot lke getting drunk. Its great but sooner or later you wake up with a bad hang over. Greece is waking up with a hang over. America is still drinking in the bar.
captkirkconnell 1 year ago
greece people socialism has failed you. you have been lied to. America has not bee a capitalist country for 80 years. we have been a fascist state called progressivism. Progressives in America have cause 12 wars, bankrupted our country, and lude dour treasury. Don't buy the lie that we are capitalist. we are not. feedom is the way to live don't sell out to the communists.
pandabead 1 year ago
@pandabead correct communist countries are (of course) also highly in debt...
jutubaeh 1 year ago
greece didnt asked for bail out,but for loan,germans or any other europeans are not paying,they are loaning...thing about it in the end europeans will make profit out of greece but is wont be any common european just reach folks...anyway for some dumb heads that believe that there country is lawfull and rich,investigate about the corruption of politicians and learn about your public debt(germany 7 trilion cia fact book)the strange is that every country in the world has debt,somethings going on!
DoelGr 1 year ago
@DoelGr Americans are broke. Our government has luded our treasury. taken our money and given it to the wallstreet banks. They have stolen money out of every area of our treasury and now they are wanting more. So I say fuck them and a revolution is brewing in America. We HAVE HAD IT TOO!!! NO JOBS, OBAMA IS BEHIND THE CCX SCAM THAT WILL FORCE US TO PAY FOR CARBON AND THE WORLD WHILE GETTING YOU MONEY TOO.
pandabead 1 year ago
Support from Canada. Fuck the IMF and the Euro fat cats. Dont give up.
koukou6464 1 year ago
I FUCKING LOVE YOU GREEK PEOPLE!
zapbolt 1 year ago
Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks.
Sir Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
vacondios 1 year ago
The policemen are stupid. They will also suffer if the government cuts down there salaries 30%. I wonder what they tell there wife and there children. The only ones who will continue with there good life are the minister and the members of the parliament. You people from Greece: Fight for your rights! We here in Germany lost these rights already but you have still the chance to be free nation!
DonJohnSilver1 1 year ago
Germany and Finland have to pay Greece..its a scandal...Greece must be outkicked from EU
nurmiar 1 year ago
@nurmiar you are an ignorant misinformed individual! Get your facts right
evitaXX62 1 year ago
@evitaXX62 I got the facts..I know that other EU countries now has to pay Greece 120billion euros....Finland must pay 2 billion euros...and guess when a finn gets his pension?...at 63-68...a greek gets his pension at 53 years....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IS this not RIGHT FACTS?
nurmiar 1 year ago
Greece should be kicked out of EU
nurmiar 1 year ago 2
We Greeks Gave you (ther rest of Europa) Civilization you standing here because of us !! & now that we need help this is how you act !!
OSORIOO 1 year ago
@OSORIOO - dont be pathetic; there is no "WE GREEKS gave you" you have nothing to do with those Greeks you are talking about.. It is friking simple: if you are spending more that you earn sooner or later you are fucked up. Do I have to pay for your stupidity because ancient Greeks "gave civilization;)" to Europe?? hahahaha. Do not try to blame politicians because YOU voted for them!!!
koso1sk 1 year ago
@OSORIOO You can raise your luxury pensions from 53 years to 67 years for a start...other EU countries , that now has to pay Greece ,have 63-68 years for their citizens...you can cut your gigant army 50%, who is threatening Greece? It cant be Turkey, because Turkey is a NATO member as Greece..so it is possible to cut the army 50%
nurmiar 1 year ago
the EU must fall! it can't go no more further this way. we must go back to our old values.
Eu is not democracy!
greetz from germany!
bmxmar 1 year ago
@bmxmar the german are into an expansion mood again, I guess that's what you call "old values"
cannoir 1 year ago
solidarity from italy
deathbysterotype 1 year ago 20
gamo to kke kai ton kolo sas!!
asotosyosasotos 1 year ago
¡All of them must go! Go ahead, don't give up. Support from Spain.
silik 1 year ago 19
@silik Figure I would have been able to guess.
cannoir 1 year ago
@silik no support from you
PYROSYCO117 1 year ago
Socilsim is a failed ideal. Unions want benfits and security without any consideration for what the markets can bear. Open your arms to the free market system and you will prosper again. Run away from these ridiculous unions and giant governments that are taking your wealth, future and families. USA teachers unions are a joke they only care about themselves and tenure nothing of our children.
conservtv 1 year ago
No banks No Money No War
Abolish money.
My solidarity.
TZMRussia 1 year ago 2
@TZMRussia
well its not money the problem its bankers and government that spend spend spend
but since all "tenders" are monopoly money then it kinds of explains alot
your Euro is just as funny money as US $ and CAD$ and all those other currencys as they arnt backed by anything exept the paper they are printed on !
romeoneverdies 1 year ago
@romeoneverdies You wrong, because if u change all people on top, very soon you will have another group of people with same ambitions. Money produce scaricity and motivation of profit have no conscience if you dont understand it , we are fucking doomed. checkout my channel
TZMRussia 1 year ago
@TZMRussia
problem is that money cannot be eliminated and yes i do inderstand that money is the root of all evil ! ( greed is evil hence money = evil) the only other alternative is where greed does not exist where you are satisfied and happy with what you got .
ppl have the distorted notion that ppl canot be satisfied by just being . and not doing or getting.
romeoneverdies 1 year ago
VIVA LA PAME
Scatmanfi 2 years ago
I feel sorry for the people who has nothing to do with the politics various errors... The last error they did : asking for the gold stolen by the nazi germany! Now I understand Merkel for refusing any help : you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you, any pet knows that...
2elpipo 2 years ago
@2elpipo
The issue arose only after Germany played hard ball with Greece by calling them thieves, my great grandfather lost his home and his Greek gold Lyres worth over 1 million by the Germans and eventually 70% of my family starved to death, while we had to work our way up by generation the Germans had been fed by our hand and grew prosperous. We're talking about over 2 billion dollars worth of gold stolen during that era. Yes I think Germany Greece quite a lot.
mackjeez 2 years ago
@mackjeez if they germans are feeding off of the greeks then how come 500 000 greeks live and work in germany then. 2 WW is over stop moaning.Man up.
cannoir 1 year ago
@cannoir
Not saying the German people are feeding off of Greece, you're just taking what I wrote out of context. I'm just replying to a previous comment that Germany gave 50 billion dollars to Greece when in fact Greece has lost much more and because of that fact we played a part on Germany's flourished society while Greece had to start from scratch depending on other country's. It's unfair to make a comparison and this flawed argument is driven by hatred and idiocy.
mackjeez 1 year ago
ha,ha Germany is betting that Greece will default on debt. On the Credit Default Swap market. Germany and Goldman Sachs is looking a monetary gain off from Greece's default on debt.
Could this be a act of WAR on Greece.
idrobinhood 2 years ago
@idrobinhood
If there will war, I doubt anyone would sell greece any weapons or supplies.
flynn2008 2 years ago
@flynn2008
Greece's people may cause the violence upon themselves, but this could spreed into the Balkans.
idrobinhood 2 years ago
civil wars may be inevitable across the PIIGS countries anyway. I can't imagine France, UK, and Germany bail all them out.
flynn2008 2 years ago
Yes, agreed stay away and don't invest in Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain. But the UK and France do have a little debt for themselves to balance as well. Civil Unions in the UK on a 48 hour strike. The USA teachers unions are on a move. But there's no money for the teachers or even the schools. Teachers and people are talking about shutting down schools for a year in Southern California. California State employees receiving IOU's for payroll.
idrobinhood 2 years ago
Don't let the media fool you there is much more behind this crisis and I smell a cause for supreme change. Upon further research students of Athens University have found out that Greece has large deposits of Uranium, oil and Gold, locations Macedonia(Greece), Aegean Sea, Thrace and Epirus. If you look at the big picture all these places have small battles either be it Albania, Turkey or FYROM all supported by the U.S, I think the lion wants to finally catch its meal.
mackjeez 2 years ago 2