I'm really exited finding that the gracie jujitsu training is working, i just had a street fight 2 days ago (i was force to do it) and i did use gracie jujitsu for first time (in a real situation) i did end it with a triangle choke!!!!. i did find out that this system is not just amazing but a real equipping for the real street fight. i did use it with a TKD black belt instructor. now I'm more motive it and i what to continue pro funding in this realistic art., have a good one guys.!!!!
this just shows that standup only fighters were naive back in the day,I defeated many standups,karate,taekwondo,kung fu,boxers,kickboxers,and Ive never done bjj just judo and japanese jiu jitsu,it wasnt difficult,get ahold,takedown or throw,choke or armbar.It was like grappling with beginners,any good grappler regardless of style could have done it
@k00lkane You should include Gi training in my opinion. alot of no-gi mma fighters are bad at defending their neck from chokes (a much more common and likely submission with the Gi). Ultimately someone who is good at jiu jitsu will be proficient at both... that being said Jake Shields has arguably the best jiu jitsu in mma and has never trained with a Gi lol
@stang4lyfe07 I agree with what you say about the gi. But Jake Shields does NOT have the best jiu jitsu in mma. Don't get me wrong, It's damn good. But, Demian Maia, Jacare, and Roger Gracie all do mma too...
@k00lkane MMA, it's useless cause all the guys just wear short shorts anyway. Street defense should include Gi training, cause whether it's a Gi or a shirt, it still chokes the same.
I got in argument with mma wrestler. he took me down. Strikigng is the fastest superior way to any sort of fighting. Soon as he took me down he tried to get a lock in i grabbed his fingers split them wide open and broke his hand. It doesn't take much to hurt anyone. But in ufc people don't understand the rules allow the fighters to lay on opponents for long time.without the rules they would have no chance at getting a lock in against a dangerous striker any eye gouge or ball squeeze there done.
@fliptthescript "But in ufc people don't understand the rules allow the fighters to lay on opponents for long time.without the rules they would have no chance at getting a lock in against a dangerous striker any eye gouge or ball squeeze there done."
Interesting. I wonder why back when groin strikes and eye gouges were legal and in use in the UFC the grapplers still won?
@parks2000 I never said it didn't. Grappling has been proven to be the most important aspect of 1v1 hand-to-hand figthing, because if you don't know grappling, you will always lose to someone who does. Royce and the UFC proved that.
@tywainwright1 Yeah, so is being on the ground with your legs open and your balls in the air, in a " REAL LIFE SITUATION, LOL. The point is every, art has its weak points, but BJJ/GJJ is the only art with promo vids trying to discredit every other art. I bet these guys wearn't even that good when it comes to any kind of Karate. There is no mention of there lineage or who there sensei is. If its South American Karate at that time unlike the Gracies, they probably had no high level training.
@Greenarrow88 What if someone takes you down? Ever been in/seen a street fight? They usually go to the ground and no one has ANY idea what to do, that is where the "rolling on the ground" comes in, and the apply a joint lock and break someones arem and win the fight.
Gjj, Bjj are great ground arts Jujutsu is a complete art of war with kicks, strikes, throws, and breaking techniques. Gene Lebell was and has always been one of my favorite martial artist and I could never understand why the Gracie's never rolled with him.
@ubush22 "also, NeWaza Judo and BJJ are basically the same thing"
Yeah dude, thats My point LOL! The Gracies avoided any NeWaza Judoka because that would have ruined there propaganda campaign as to how there "new" MA was so dominant to other arts. And I said in my post GJJ, because they say they have striking verses TKD in stand up only.....Thats stand up only, a decent TKD green belt even, would crush GJJ BB in striking only.
Were is the Gracie video of them rolling with the top NeWaza Judoka? There isn't any because they would have been beat very soundly! GJJ only fakes having any striking. Any decent blue belt TKD would crush one of the Gracies in a stand up only sparing match. Anderson Silva was a TKD BB in his late teens, Machida is from a lineage of respected Shotakon practitioners. If the Gracies wanted to prove there worth they would humbly request eather of those guys come and randori "roll" any style.
@CFgroup1 BJJ is defensive and I doubt the TKD person would do much damage in a sparring match. If the BJJ guy could get a hold of him it would be over immediately. In a real street fight or even an MMA match a TKD practitioner at any belt would be much less equipped. Silva and Machida are also BJJ black belts because you have a ground game to be a complete fighter. There are too many holes in TKD. High kicks are easy to defend and leave you open.
@CFgroup1 See the thing is, in a REAL LIFE SITUATION it won't be just a stand up fight and thats why the stupid jumping spinning and pointless kicks of TKD would be useless.
@darrenlad the gracies have issued a standing challenged to ANYONE in the past including Mike Tyson (but could never offer enough money). Helio fought Kimura whowas one of the top Judo fighters and was also 2x his size, he did not win but it took Kimuta quite a while to beat him. BJJ is a FAR supperior form of self defense than Katate, which is not to say that every BJJ guy will beat every Karate guy. And before you point out that Machida is a karate guy he is also a BJJ black belt!
@DrBdawg68 I'd have to disagree. Unless you are very strong and very, very skilled in jujitsu it isn't worth it because you are tired in like 3 minutes whereas karate you can go for 20 before you get tired.
Gracie were good at Jiu Jitsu, but they hardly faced any real challange, 90% of the guys Royce fought and 100% of rickson opponent = dead meat, most of them had no knowledge of ground game, Tyson had no point in beating any Gracie because at the time boxe payed way better than MMA.
Kimura were not 2x bigger than hélio, in fact Kimura was almost the same size just check the videos, he was no superman or giant the reason, he Beat the shit out Hélio is very simple,he was BETTER!
It is notable that the bjj practitioners never seem to fight any of the big boys of Karate, they never fight ANYONE halfway decent from Kyokushin, Goju-ryu or Uechi ryu for example. I train Ju-Jutsu and Karate, the Gracies do themselves no service by only choosing very low quality opponents to 'expose'. The seek out the weak to make their little propaganda films. Unfortunately one needs to be pretty experienced to know the floors in their propaganda.
@darrenlad Maybe because the "big boys" of Karate aren't good enough to fight in an MMA event. Those that do wouldn't dare do so without being well-versed in Jiu-Jitsu. Also, concerning this "little propaganda film", it's hard for me to see every GJJ guy dominating every karate guy as some sort of accident or set up. I've seen hundreds of situations where karate guys have been mopped up by even white belts in Jiu Jitsu. Sorry, but karate alone is ill-equipped to handle the load.
@Eastbay007 Most of the big boys of karate, full contact karate that is, do compete in interstyle competitions with Sem Schilt and Andy Hug being the best known fighters. BJJ at that time had the big advantage that people didn't know how to handle it. And now, I would still give them the avantage were they to find someone who doesn't know any takedown defence or basic grappling. The thing is, where do you find those people? Every striker I know has also esperience in either judo, bjj, wrestling.
It's no lie how the Gracies dominated TMAs back then. But today's TMAs are implementing legit takedown defense into their training. Every MMA fighter has some grappling background. Years ago the Gracies could and truly did dominate martial arts. Such led to its evolution and now the Gracies and pure grapplers are the incomplete fighters. Today's MMA fighter is well rounded. He is able to strike and grapple along and takedown attempts. He can stay on his feet.
it's all about timing, you can pratice any art, but if you don't know very good your habilities and limitations, you never win, known about you and knew about your enemy, the victory comes in any art that you're a practitioner. OSS
An Amateur BJJ practitioner can beat a champion Karate Guy? I don't know what kind of Karate you are talking about, but My sensei Masaki Sumida doesn't allow any opponent go far away, he's Martial Art Karate Do Shoto Kan and it's no only kicks and punches there are lot of grapplies and any kind of technics that are not shown in Kombats, he never allow us to participate in any tournament. Besides anyone can say anything only in a real kombat will decide who the winner is.
@judgerofwars you can say anything about an REAL artial mart, only fighting you can say who is better. If you think that karate sucks I don't know if you have fought with a black belt Japanes Sensei that can kick your ass so easily like my sensei, he told us that he taught a MARTIAL ART NOT AN SPORT. Fights in real life are not like in the movies, A fight can finish with only one punch or kick and I have trained Tae Kwan Do and Karate Do Shoto Kan.
@judgerofwars I don't know if you have fought with a real sensei Karate Do Shoto Kan, only in a REAL FIGHT you figure it out who is better. My sensei doesn't allow us to participate in any tournament because he teaches a REAL MARTIAL ART not A SPORT, he's 70 years old japanes and he trains a lot of black belts from many other dojos and kick their ass. If you think that Karate sucks I'd like to tell you come to a Kumite with my sensei but he wouldn't 'cause never fights unless is NECESSARY,
@xavros If you guys aren't allowed to fight , how do you know if you're any good? If you know no grappling you'd get murdered by even a moderately skilled wrestler or Jiu Jitsu practitioner. This is not opinion, it's fact.
@xxFNORDxx We aren't allow to fight in any "tournament" we fight against each other or against him, he's black belt 4th Dan and he's part of the JKA, he came to Mexico and taught the first generation of Karate Do's black belt's, he was president of the Mexican Karate Association where some world karate's champion were trained, We are trained like we were in Japan, old style, real hits, punch, kicks, grapplies and TECHNIC no an SPORT like BJJ
BJJ is not YET real fighting. It still assumes a fighting ground with rules and honorable opponent and mostly for 1 on 1 (hint: try the choke on fight 2 or 3 people). Vovinam, a Vietnamese martial art went a little bit further (still a martial art, not just dirt fight). They include some very nasty technique like poke the eyes, kick and hit the groin, breaking fingers. It makes attacking most vulnerable body points the main offensive techniques.
@clearcombat dream on buddy. Black Belt BJJ will beat top wrestler 9/10.
And dont tell me MMA. That lay n pray shit only works in bullshit UFC.
Fedor destroyed wrestler after wrestler (an olympic one at that) but Werdum took him out with his amazing BJJ.
Wrestlers can't finish fights. When did you last see GSP finish a fight? I remember seeing him get dominated at the ADCC trials by mid range BJJ guys.
@13expose13 these days you need it all. if bjj beat wrestling 9 out of 10 there would be no such thing as lay n pray. I'm a Jiu Jitsu practitioner too!
@13expose13 Werdum beat Fedor beacouse Fedor was reckless and got to excited about that early knockdown not beacouse BJJ is the best, ALL styles are effective it just depends on how the fighters use them and remember Fedor beat Nogueira and hes 20 times the BJJ practitioner Werdum is or ever will be and GSP just beat jake sheilds so that throws your GSP getting dominated by mid range BJJ boys out the fucking window and shows that wrestlers can beat BJJ guys if there good enough, enough said...
@Djoyzze george st. pierre is 100% brazilian jiu- jitsu, not wrestling. he got a black belt in BJJ. he later learned SOME wrestling but he will always be a BJJ man. and he's the best fighter in the world. also, andersen silver also has a black belt in BJJ. not wrestling. and he's the 2nd best fighter in the world, pound for pound. end of story.
@13expose13 GSP IS A BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU FIGHTER, NOT A WRESTLER. HE GOT A BLACK BELT IN BJJ. HE LATER LEARNED SOME WRESTLING, BUT HE WILL ALWAYS BE A BJJ FIGHTER BY HEART.
I love reading all the views on here and folks getting into it...like any of it really matters. So what if someone trains in this or that; at least they are doing something postive. There are worst things out in this world I can think of that are a waste of time...like me posting this :)
Squeeky Were are your training cred's? I dont see anything on your page to even suggest you have any MA experience. Look at my page. I train 5 hrs a day in a variety of disciplines including Ne Waza!
what the fuck is everyone arguing about? people dont train like they used to? our studio is exactly like the the original gracie gym. as far as putting fancy techniques that dont work? thats a bunch of crap. anything that we incorporate in our game is only going to be those that have proven to work time after time
the gracies didn't fight weak fighters, in ufc 1 and 2 joyce beat the best in the world twice, pat smith, an undefeated kickboxer, a top 10 boxer (can't remember his name, an olympic wrestler, the european open jiu jitsu champion, they're just badasses
@Mekotoa1 I started wrestling when I was five through a few yes in college before joining the service. I do believe even today the "twister" as eddy bravo calls it or abdominal stretch as pro wrestlers call it is used in folkstyle wrestling (while riding with a single grapevine) I was suprised to find out that this moved was banned in some of Bjj tourneys I entered, because it's a spinelock. I still enjoy all grappling styles no matter what they're called.
Mekatoa1 OK. Here's the dumb ass quiz. Q 1. What is the name of Judo ground fighting? 2. What was the name and what was the expertise of the Gracie Sensei? 3. Where did the fighting systems that are the recognized foundation of modern MA's originate? What is your MA not wrestling training? And by the way I study Newaza in both Hankawaza and Tachiwaza applications in the randri setting :)
The point is that the Gracie's took Judo ground fighting, slapped a new name on it, " fought" all kinds of weak fighters, disrespected the history and tradition of the Martial Arts by commercializing BJJ. Open hand fighting arts came from the battlefield were the reality was life and death. We in the modern world don't train and develop those killing techniques now. If all the art's the Gracie's have been disrespecting with these video's trained as they use to the Gracie's would have no chance.
@CFgroup1 I agree with Mekatoa. That is just not accurate. For one, MMA is a sport where many martial arts are implemented. MANY people still train in martial arts for self defense for a street situation. Times are a little different than how it was in Feudal Japan but the techniques can still kill or maim. The BJJ you see in competition and in reality are different things. As far as battlefield goes, cops in many major cities and the Army Rangers are using Gracie Jiu Jitsu in their training.
@ubush22 i'm a jail guard who trains in bjj and the fact that we have to do it seperately on our own free time and not by our agency for "liability" purposes should tell you just how deadly bjj is. And i agree, MMA utilizes many different forms of fighting, but nowadays, it seems to be mainly muay thai for striking, wrestling for takedowns, and bjj for groundfighting. I
@CFgroup1 but judo evolved from jiu jitsu, which was around since the samari of fuedal japan. i don't think he's disrespecting other arts as much as he's pointing out how these martial arts are mostly unpractical in real-world situations. I've trained in both tae kwon do and brazilian jiu-jitsu. I work in an open bay jail pod constatnly surrounded by 72 inmates and if i had to fight for my life, i'd be falling back on my bjj for sure.
@odessaboy well thats almost true. Judo came from a very basic form of jiu jitsu, judo greatly improved these techniques and modern jiu jitsu derived from that but instead of using takedowns so much, locks and levers were counted on more. I sure wouldn't like to be in your situation and if your that awesome a jiu jitsu practitioner than you should be teaching me a thing or two lol.
@CFgroup1 mate you clearly have no clue that BJJ has been astablished as the most affective martial art in the WORLD put any other martial art against a jui jitsu black belt and watch their fighting skills go down the drain, BJJ gives not soo strong people the chance to use their technical skills instead of brute strength soo instead of ranting on and making the gracies sound like assholes study the martial art first you stupid dumbass !!!
@CFgroup1 The Gracies took that part of judo and simplified it to transit into modern combat successfully, maybe they had an ulterior motive I dunno. How do you know they were "weak", were you there? The Gracies fought in real fights and in the early UFC which were basically vale tudo, can you say you did/do the same? We in the modern world do train & develop killing techniques, it's called military hand to hand, BJJ is even incorporated in it. So that part of your argument goes out the window.
@le2key The military CQC also incorporated the new flavor in it's hand to hand system, which is the least refined portion of CQC. In the 70's after Bruce Lee made Gung-Fu popular, it taught the rapid strikes of Wing Chung. In the 80's and 90's, Karate and TKD were thrown in. Now it's BJJ's turn. Don't put so much stock in BJJ being combat effective just because the military teaches it.
Bjj is bull sh**. Matt Hughs beat the crap out of Royce with out any ranking in any martial art style. These guys fight crappy people to promote there watered down Judo.
@CFgroup1 Yeah, Royce was 40 years old. Hughes trained in Gracie Jiu Jitsu at Joe Goytia's (a Renzo student) in Chicago for many years so he also believed in that watered down Judo that you are so ignorant about.
Jason Chambers also trained at Goytia's. Joe doesn't use a belt ranking system but both Jason and Matt Hughes took lessons there long enough to become certified by Goytia to teach BJJ. I saw Hughes dismantle people at Goytia's MMA tournaments in the late 90's. They went by old UFC rules (or lack of) back then.
@Ubush22 wrestlers in the states do learn submissions, they just aren allowed to use them in competition in the states, while stationed in Japan I found there submission wrestling skills to be on point. Wrestlers stateside may not be comfortable on their back, but people who never get hit in the face don't apply submissions well the 1st time they get rocked.
@trijjj89 I wrestled from 8 years old through college and there were locks, holds, throws, takedowns, etc. but nothing like jiujitsu submissions taught or implemented at any level.
this is a perfect example of the best street combat system, the Gracie jujitsu , those guys not just talk they back up their words with the action. thats the different between Gracie's and others disciplines, Gracie Jujitsu is a system for a real no-rules street fight.
@ironmanl there is even better defense against slamming, that is why the pros don't try to do it. They would end up getting thrown on their head or arm broken quickly. BJJ is an extremely effective street fighting art. Most people only see it applied in MMA constrictions.
@ironmanl actually, thats very much untrue.. When the person in the bad position stands up to slam you, he makes both of his legs available for sweeps... theres a number of sweeps from this position...
In most of these BJJ fights there are rules where you cannot strike and break something immediately. 95% of martial arts taught are meant to do serious harm. Whereas the armed forces are trained to kill.
Karate is so well known because of Master Bruce Lee introduction to it in the west and its a very effective way of self defence but unless you have fully mastered it I would have to give the edge to BJJ, because a beginner BJJ can learn simple submissions that would break a arm or put a man unconsious. A karate fighter will find it very hard to punch or land a kick with a broken arm.. BJJ will be here for a long time!!
A smart wrestler with decent hand skills beats a pure Bjj player all day by simply keeping distance and not engaging in grappling at all. If you say Bjj players can also shoot it's a whole different level than you would find compared to a wrestler.
@trijjj89 keeping distance and not engaging would not beat a BJJ player. It would be a stalemate. A pure wrestler vs a BJJ practitioner for the most part (depending on skill levels) doesn't have submission skills. Wrestlers are lost on their back and cannot finish. Wrestlers in MMA have to learn submission skills to win.
Isso é uma piada! Talvez uma demonstração com algum leigo pq o karateca não usou nada do karatê... e teve tempo pra isso antes de ser agarrado! Combinado?... e os socos do que estava imobilizando o outro? Parece mulher dando soco!... Piada... palhaçada... Tenham mais respeito com as artes marciais... Elas não existem para serem disputadas entre sí.
Isso é uma piada! Talvez uma demonstração com algum leigo pq o karateca não usou nada do karatê... e teve tempo pra isso antes de ser agarrado! Combinado?... e os socos do que estava imobilizando o outro? Parece mulher batendo!... Piada... palhaçada...
jiu jitsu its a good martial art but is efectivnis is only good in sports combat wiht rules in a street fight you cant grame the atacer if we had a nife our its there more than one you cant go to the ground because only one is on the ground the rest is up and they will quick your ass down was many martial arts says dont go to the ground in a street fight because you will get KO
@mauriinhocosta I have used BJJ several times on the street at work and its VERY effective. But you are right you can only deal with one at a time for the most part. It pays to be well rounded in several arts.
@ubush22 Thats very true, One of my instructors is a 3rd Deg black belt under Relson Gracie. Relson teaches the knee on belly allows you to control one attacker and keeps you able to defend against other attackers. We also are trained in knife defense which is alot of fun.
Trust me all, I am not saying they suck. If i did, I didn't quite mean that like they suck. They are very good at what they do. and it works for them. It works very well. After so many years, no one has come up with something better to stop it.
But there is more than just strike or submission. Just no one shows off with it. Yet.
@saberman41 LOL no my friend.. judo gave form to jiu jitsu, look it up.. judo used to be called kano jujutsu, brazil took to calling it jiu-jitsu when it was introduced.
@saberman41 you have no idea what your talking about do you? look it up, im not just saying things out of speculation lol its documented information, jiu-jitsu was the brazilian term for kano jujutsu which later became known as judo, facts of life, no way around it, and helio started his training in kano jujutsu, which was mainly focused around strength, him being small he had to alter his technique for leverage
Gracie fighting is cool for what it is. No strike. Just roll on the floor and hold. The trick to beating it . Is never stop punching. Never try and match what they do. Continue to hit, kick, elbow, knee. Gracie fighting has no strike.
If you have watched them as often as I have, you never see them strike until they get the other in their hold. Well... don't get in the hold. pretty simple. Don't counter don't match. We all have kryptonite out there somewhere hunting us down.
@PPCLOCK how do you not get into a hold? there are tons of throws, clinches, takedowns, jump guards, pull guards, sweeps, leg attacks. if you dont have bjj knowledge against someone who has, you are pretty much screwed.
@PPCLOCK tut tut..to resist is futile...you can't stop a top grappler from taking you down...because at some point you have to defend an attack ..it could be a punch or a kick or just a feint..this is the time you will get taken down when you are covering up..it's all in the setup. people who just rush in and go for a takedown deserve to get knocked out...everyone has strikes just that some are far better than others..even bjj has strikes..except they like to do it once they are on top of you
@PPCLOCK Not a very good theory, i'm being taught bjj and when i'm on my back i'm told to always keep my arms tucked against my chest and held together (if being punched move my forearms over my face) until i get the chance to bridge my hips and get my opponent off mount. if i just start hitting him i'm immediately setting myself up for an armlock...
Something that can show they are masters/champion in there sports vs a champion ju-jiutsu?
Point I am getting at, is that you can do the same with other styles. Put a champion karate guy vs a normal ju-jiutsu guy then the same will happen.
Also another thing is that in the old times everybody thought karate is unstoppable. Ju Jiutsu was in many peoples heads something new. So no experience in that for the karate people. And they fall for nothing.
Anything can happen in a fight. You managed to KO or hurt a guy before he could use what he knows. Congrats, but what happens when he does get you on the ground?
We've seen it a hundred times before, first in vale tudo, later in early UFC, and now in modern MMA. Strikers with no ground experience lose. There are hours of video evidence and its not hard to find if you look. What do you have besides 1 story of how you "obliterated" some guy?
@oODropshotOo actually your wrong you can beat a grappler you just have to have good take down deffence or knock him out before he takes the fight to the ground
You're right. Not trying to sound like an asshole or know it all here the most experience I have is high school wrestling. I believe most Karate guys aren't going to train TDD because they're training exclusively for karate matches. So I guess that statement: "If you can't grapple you can't fight someone who can." is exaggerating because if you can stop the guy from getting you down you'll win.
Siver vs Sotiropoulos is a great recent example of this in the sport of mma.
@oODropshotOo Wrong, if you find a true karate school and not a McDojo, Karate, Judo, and Jiu Jitsu (yes, it existed before the Gracies) were all combined as a full form of self defense. This BJJ VS. blah is redundant.
Tyson would get subbed with the quickness if it went to the mat. Of course I have trouble picturing some amateur fighter getting in close enough to take down tyson without getting dropped. What's he going to jab to set up a takedown? Tyson would knock his block off.
All that said I think we can agree there's a huge difference between a karate champion and a world class boxer especially one like Tyson with huge ko power. Karate champs are bitch made. (kidding kidding... kinda)
@yin0625 I think it would be to hard for the gracies to even get him on the ground! mike Tyson would defiantly knock them out even if they were to get him on the ground it would be hard keeping him there because Mike Tyson is so strong these guys are fighting scronny asian guys but mike tyson is a little different you are right it would be interesting.
@jackthePS3GAMER yes MT is so strong and fast and much heavier than the bjj practitioner in this video even if the gracie can get close to MT, he may not be able to submit MT probability MT may knock him out before they go to ground fight
@oODropshotOo I would agree but JUDO is like a defense to BJJ and ground fighting with throws and sweeps it makes it almost impossible for someone who knows BJJ to get someone who knows JUDO on the ground plus some Karate people could stay off the ground if they were good in that case BJJ is useless.
@jackthePS3GAMER BJJ also uses sweeps, shoots, throws, takedowns, etc. It is pretty much modified Judo.
The vast majority of the time a BJJ guy will beat a karate guy. Most fights go to the ground or at least get into a clinch at which the karate guy is dead. Did you even watch this video or any MMA? Click on a couple more at the right.
@oODropshotOo you are so correct. i am a second degree black belt in tae kwon do,and i always thought that if i have strong kicks i can do fine in a fight against bjj or judo fighters.i recently quit and joined an mma gym with proffessional mma fighters as instructors,and i realised how much importance ground work is. if you cant stay up, strikes dont do anything
Man, all of these fights don't show the losses . Such one sided crap videos. how about all the fights where gracie team got ktfo trying to roll around on the floor and never getting hold? There is one video says the other guy is an expert but you can plainly see he wasn't.. just like all the old ricer videos used to say the other guy had nitros. Gracie jujitsu is a bite pull hair fight.
@hercmet gracie team would have won still there are viedos of the gracies fighting judo guys
kingdom482 2 weeks ago
@hercmet...the gracie team would've got shut down. Judoka forever.
emetapout 1 month ago
i just wonder what would have happened if it was Gracie Jiu jitsu vs Judo team .....
hercmet 2 months ago
Karate guys who cant land punch? = bad karate guys....
Andy Hug, Franscico Filho, Shokei Matsui, Yoshizo Machida, Lyoto Machida, Tadeshi Takeushi, Hajime Kazumi..... those = real Karate....
pkjdm 4 months ago
@pkjdm can you land punches from the ground?
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Takedown defense? plus acurrate punch? those Karate guys are just helpless....
pkjdm 3 months ago
I'm really exited finding that the gracie jujitsu training is working, i just had a street fight 2 days ago (i was force to do it) and i did use gracie jujitsu for first time (in a real situation) i did end it with a triangle choke!!!!. i did find out that this system is not just amazing but a real equipping for the real street fight. i did use it with a TKD black belt instructor. now I'm more motive it and i what to continue pro funding in this realistic art., have a good one guys.!!!!
beto1276 4 months ago
I saw the title and thought BJJ finally proved itself against multiple attackers. SOrry but misleading title.
HairofSteel555 4 months ago
that was some piss poor karate fighters, lol, they hardly did anything but wait to be choked out
Calimantalkin 4 months ago
this just shows that standup only fighters were naive back in the day,I defeated many standups,karate,taekwondo,kung fu,boxers,kickboxers,and Ive never done bjj just judo and japanese jiu jitsu,it wasnt difficult,get ahold,takedown or throw,choke or armbar.It was like grappling with beginners,any good grappler regardless of style could have done it
TheSilatiger 5 months ago
What is your opinion on training GI BJJ for MMA?
k00lkane 6 months ago
@k00lkane Not the most efficient training.
bjjbruin 6 months ago
@k00lkane You should include Gi training in my opinion. alot of no-gi mma fighters are bad at defending their neck from chokes (a much more common and likely submission with the Gi). Ultimately someone who is good at jiu jitsu will be proficient at both... that being said Jake Shields has arguably the best jiu jitsu in mma and has never trained with a Gi lol
stang4lyfe07 6 months ago
@stang4lyfe07 I agree with what you say about the gi. But Jake Shields does NOT have the best jiu jitsu in mma. Don't get me wrong, It's damn good. But, Demian Maia, Jacare, and Roger Gracie all do mma too...
notyorkhakis 4 months ago
@k00lkane MMA, it's useless cause all the guys just wear short shorts anyway. Street defense should include Gi training, cause whether it's a Gi or a shirt, it still chokes the same.
HairofSteel555 4 months ago
perfection
judolife1 6 months ago
I got in argument with mma wrestler. he took me down. Strikigng is the fastest superior way to any sort of fighting. Soon as he took me down he tried to get a lock in i grabbed his fingers split them wide open and broke his hand. It doesn't take much to hurt anyone. But in ufc people don't understand the rules allow the fighters to lay on opponents for long time.without the rules they would have no chance at getting a lock in against a dangerous striker any eye gouge or ball squeeze there done.
fliptthescript 6 months ago
@fliptthescript And the same goes for the striker, As soon as I'm on top of you, you cannot reach my eyes...Though, I can certainly reach yours :)
salvationwar 6 months ago
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@fliptthescript "Soon as he took me down he tried to get a lock in i grabbed his fingers split them wide open and broke his hand."
No you didn't.
Ljenkins9000 5 months ago
@fliptthescript "But in ufc people don't understand the rules allow the fighters to lay on opponents for long time.without the rules they would have no chance at getting a lock in against a dangerous striker any eye gouge or ball squeeze there done."
Interesting. I wonder why back when groin strikes and eye gouges were legal and in use in the UFC the grapplers still won?
Ljenkins9000 5 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 Well considering Royce Gracie was 3x champion, grappling still worked
parks2000 5 months ago
@parks2000 I never said it didn't. Grappling has been proven to be the most important aspect of 1v1 hand-to-hand figthing, because if you don't know grappling, you will always lose to someone who does. Royce and the UFC proved that.
Ljenkins9000 5 months ago
@tywainwright1 Yeah, so is being on the ground with your legs open and your balls in the air, in a " REAL LIFE SITUATION, LOL. The point is every, art has its weak points, but BJJ/GJJ is the only art with promo vids trying to discredit every other art. I bet these guys wearn't even that good when it comes to any kind of Karate. There is no mention of there lineage or who there sensei is. If its South American Karate at that time unlike the Gracies, they probably had no high level training.
CFgroup1 6 months ago
in sports BJJ is superior, in real life I think it sucks
Greenarrow88 6 months ago
@Greenarrow88 Why do you say that?
tywainwright1 6 months ago
@tywainwright1 because the rolling on floor thing is not effective in real life ;)
Greenarrow88 6 months ago
@Greenarrow88 What if someone takes you down? Ever been in/seen a street fight? They usually go to the ground and no one has ANY idea what to do, that is where the "rolling on the ground" comes in, and the apply a joint lock and break someones arem and win the fight.
tywainwright1 6 months ago
Gjj, Bjj are great ground arts Jujutsu is a complete art of war with kicks, strikes, throws, and breaking techniques. Gene Lebell was and has always been one of my favorite martial artist and I could never understand why the Gracie's never rolled with him.
trijjj89 7 months ago
I want this family to adopt me.
shaneturner202 7 months ago
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@ubush22 "also, NeWaza Judo and BJJ are basically the same thing"
Yeah dude, thats My point LOL! The Gracies avoided any NeWaza Judoka because that would have ruined there propaganda campaign as to how there "new" MA was so dominant to other arts. And I said in my post GJJ, because they say they have striking verses TKD in stand up only.....Thats stand up only, a decent TKD green belt even, would crush GJJ BB in striking only.
CFgroup1 7 months ago
Were is the Gracie video of them rolling with the top NeWaza Judoka? There isn't any because they would have been beat very soundly! GJJ only fakes having any striking. Any decent blue belt TKD would crush one of the Gracies in a stand up only sparing match. Anderson Silva was a TKD BB in his late teens, Machida is from a lineage of respected Shotakon practitioners. If the Gracies wanted to prove there worth they would humbly request eather of those guys come and randori "roll" any style.
CFgroup1 7 months ago
@CFgroup1 BJJ is defensive and I doubt the TKD person would do much damage in a sparring match. If the BJJ guy could get a hold of him it would be over immediately. In a real street fight or even an MMA match a TKD practitioner at any belt would be much less equipped. Silva and Machida are also BJJ black belts because you have a ground game to be a complete fighter. There are too many holes in TKD. High kicks are easy to defend and leave you open.
ubush22 7 months ago
also, NeWaza Judo and BJJ are basically the same thing
ubush22 7 months ago
@CFgroup1 See the thing is, in a REAL LIFE SITUATION it won't be just a stand up fight and thats why the stupid jumping spinning and pointless kicks of TKD would be useless.
tywainwright1 6 months ago
@darrenlad the gracies have issued a standing challenged to ANYONE in the past including Mike Tyson (but could never offer enough money). Helio fought Kimura whowas one of the top Judo fighters and was also 2x his size, he did not win but it took Kimuta quite a while to beat him. BJJ is a FAR supperior form of self defense than Katate, which is not to say that every BJJ guy will beat every Karate guy. And before you point out that Machida is a karate guy he is also a BJJ black belt!
DrBdawg68 8 months ago 4
@DrBdawg68 I'd have to disagree. Unless you are very strong and very, very skilled in jujitsu it isn't worth it because you are tired in like 3 minutes whereas karate you can go for 20 before you get tired.
Aurumk1 3 months ago
@DrBdawg68
Gracie were good at Jiu Jitsu, but they hardly faced any real challange, 90% of the guys Royce fought and 100% of rickson opponent = dead meat, most of them had no knowledge of ground game, Tyson had no point in beating any Gracie because at the time boxe payed way better than MMA.
Kimura were not 2x bigger than hélio, in fact Kimura was almost the same size just check the videos, he was no superman or giant the reason, he Beat the shit out Hélio is very simple,he was BETTER!
pkjdm 3 months ago 2
It is notable that the bjj practitioners never seem to fight any of the big boys of Karate, they never fight ANYONE halfway decent from Kyokushin, Goju-ryu or Uechi ryu for example. I train Ju-Jutsu and Karate, the Gracies do themselves no service by only choosing very low quality opponents to 'expose'. The seek out the weak to make their little propaganda films. Unfortunately one needs to be pretty experienced to know the floors in their propaganda.
darrenlad 8 months ago
@darrenlad Maybe because the "big boys" of Karate aren't good enough to fight in an MMA event. Those that do wouldn't dare do so without being well-versed in Jiu-Jitsu. Also, concerning this "little propaganda film", it's hard for me to see every GJJ guy dominating every karate guy as some sort of accident or set up. I've seen hundreds of situations where karate guys have been mopped up by even white belts in Jiu Jitsu. Sorry, but karate alone is ill-equipped to handle the load.
Eastbay007 8 months ago
@Eastbay007 Most of the big boys of karate, full contact karate that is, do compete in interstyle competitions with Sem Schilt and Andy Hug being the best known fighters. BJJ at that time had the big advantage that people didn't know how to handle it. And now, I would still give them the avantage were they to find someone who doesn't know any takedown defence or basic grappling. The thing is, where do you find those people? Every striker I know has also esperience in either judo, bjj, wrestling.
aiyer1989 8 months ago
A real thing of beauty. So glad you posted this video
RicoDaMofo 9 months ago
brazil owns in fight
sorry
xXRimesXx 9 months ago
@xXRimesXx I'm going to guess that most of the world champs in MMA aren't from Brazil.
evolvedb4u 9 months ago
@evolvedb4u Inveja e foda
xXRimesXx 9 months ago
@evolvedb4u
Rickson Gracie, Renzo Graice, Royce Gracie, Big Nog, Little Nog, Anderson Silva, Wanderlei Silva, Demian Maia, Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza, Shogun Rua, Murilo Bustamante, Lyoto Machida, Paulo Filho, Werdum, José Aldo, Babalu Sobral...
and soon the be HW Champ Junior Dos Santos are all from Brazil. That's just the tip of the iceberg of great Brazilian fighters out there.
ubush22 8 months ago
It's no lie how the Gracies dominated TMAs back then. But today's TMAs are implementing legit takedown defense into their training. Every MMA fighter has some grappling background. Years ago the Gracies could and truly did dominate martial arts. Such led to its evolution and now the Gracies and pure grapplers are the incomplete fighters. Today's MMA fighter is well rounded. He is able to strike and grapple along and takedown attempts. He can stay on his feet.
mongoose704 9 months ago
Karate team? Come on!!! Great video though.
scabbeus 9 months ago
it's all about timing, you can pratice any art, but if you don't know very good your habilities and limitations, you never win, known about you and knew about your enemy, the victory comes in any art that you're a practitioner. OSS
aahmarcaao 9 months ago
karate is useless against brazilian jiu jitsu.
BJJ is 100 times more effective than any martial art in the world.
BluePittbull666 10 months ago
An Amateur BJJ practitioner can beat a champion Karate Guy? I don't know what kind of Karate you are talking about, but My sensei Masaki Sumida doesn't allow any opponent go far away, he's Martial Art Karate Do Shoto Kan and it's no only kicks and punches there are lot of grapplies and any kind of technics that are not shown in Kombats, he never allow us to participate in any tournament. Besides anyone can say anything only in a real kombat will decide who the winner is.
xavros 11 months ago
@xavros karate sucks bro
judgerofwars 9 months ago
@judgerofwars you can say anything about an REAL artial mart, only fighting you can say who is better. If you think that karate sucks I don't know if you have fought with a black belt Japanes Sensei that can kick your ass so easily like my sensei, he told us that he taught a MARTIAL ART NOT AN SPORT. Fights in real life are not like in the movies, A fight can finish with only one punch or kick and I have trained Tae Kwan Do and Karate Do Shoto Kan.
xavros 9 months ago
@judgerofwars I don't know if you have fought with a real sensei Karate Do Shoto Kan, only in a REAL FIGHT you figure it out who is better. My sensei doesn't allow us to participate in any tournament because he teaches a REAL MARTIAL ART not A SPORT, he's 70 years old japanes and he trains a lot of black belts from many other dojos and kick their ass. If you think that Karate sucks I'd like to tell you come to a Kumite with my sensei but he wouldn't 'cause never fights unless is NECESSARY,
xavros 9 months ago
@xavros If you guys aren't allowed to fight , how do you know if you're any good? If you know no grappling you'd get murdered by even a moderately skilled wrestler or Jiu Jitsu practitioner. This is not opinion, it's fact.
xxFNORDxx 9 months ago
@xxFNORDxx We aren't allow to fight in any "tournament" we fight against each other or against him, he's black belt 4th Dan and he's part of the JKA, he came to Mexico and taught the first generation of Karate Do's black belt's, he was president of the Mexican Karate Association where some world karate's champion were trained, We are trained like we were in Japan, old style, real hits, punch, kicks, grapplies and TECHNIC no an SPORT like BJJ
xavros 8 months ago
BJJ is not YET real fighting. It still assumes a fighting ground with rules and honorable opponent and mostly for 1 on 1 (hint: try the choke on fight 2 or 3 people). Vovinam, a Vietnamese martial art went a little bit further (still a martial art, not just dirt fight). They include some very nasty technique like poke the eyes, kick and hit the groin, breaking fingers. It makes attacking most vulnerable body points the main offensive techniques.
You want real effective mean? Get a gun.
youngexplorer 11 months ago
@youngexplorer oh dude....I am a Vietnamese and i found your statement a little bit............too much if you know what i mean
Xnuc13ar1andm1n3X 10 months ago
American wrestling beat the Gracie machine. It has many times before.
clearcombat 11 months ago
@clearcombat dream on buddy. Black Belt BJJ will beat top wrestler 9/10.
And dont tell me MMA. That lay n pray shit only works in bullshit UFC.
Fedor destroyed wrestler after wrestler (an olympic one at that) but Werdum took him out with his amazing BJJ.
Wrestlers can't finish fights. When did you last see GSP finish a fight? I remember seeing him get dominated at the ADCC trials by mid range BJJ guys.
13expose13 11 months ago
@13expose13 these days you need it all. if bjj beat wrestling 9 out of 10 there would be no such thing as lay n pray. I'm a Jiu Jitsu practitioner too!
doctorstoppage 10 months ago
@doctorstoppage Yeah you are right, you need it all. (To be succesful anyway.
13expose13 10 months ago
@13expose13 Werdum beat Fedor beacouse Fedor was reckless and got to excited about that early knockdown not beacouse BJJ is the best, ALL styles are effective it just depends on how the fighters use them and remember Fedor beat Nogueira and hes 20 times the BJJ practitioner Werdum is or ever will be and GSP just beat jake sheilds so that throws your GSP getting dominated by mid range BJJ boys out the fucking window and shows that wrestlers can beat BJJ guys if there good enough, enough said...
Djoyzze 9 months ago
@Djoyzze george st. pierre is 100% brazilian jiu- jitsu, not wrestling. he got a black belt in BJJ. he later learned SOME wrestling but he will always be a BJJ man. and he's the best fighter in the world. also, andersen silver also has a black belt in BJJ. not wrestling. and he's the 2nd best fighter in the world, pound for pound. end of story.
judgerofwars 9 months ago
@13expose13 GSP IS A BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU FIGHTER, NOT A WRESTLER. HE GOT A BLACK BELT IN BJJ. HE LATER LEARNED SOME WRESTLING, BUT HE WILL ALWAYS BE A BJJ FIGHTER BY HEART.
judgerofwars 9 months ago
I love reading all the views on here and folks getting into it...like any of it really matters. So what if someone trains in this or that; at least they are doing something postive. There are worst things out in this world I can think of that are a waste of time...like me posting this :)
79Redhawk 11 months ago 4
@79Redhawk lol great comment man
TheSUBGAMER 6 months ago
@TheSUBGAMER Right?!
79Redhawk 6 months ago
@79Redhawk right
TheSUBGAMER 6 months ago
caveman tackle all day just put a club in ole boy hand.
thugnast 11 months ago
@CFgroup1 they didnt just "slap" a new name on it they made it 100 times better..
broceratops 1 year ago
Squeeky Were are your training cred's? I dont see anything on your page to even suggest you have any MA experience. Look at my page. I train 5 hrs a day in a variety of disciplines including Ne Waza!
CFgroup1 1 year ago
You mean a wrestler that knows BJJ.
But a BJJ fight that knows wrestling have advantage.
zamzabr 1 year ago
what the fuck is everyone arguing about? people dont train like they used to? our studio is exactly like the the original gracie gym. as far as putting fancy techniques that dont work? thats a bunch of crap. anything that we incorporate in our game is only going to be those that have proven to work time after time
suzukiguyatx125 1 year ago
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try that on a wrestler and boxer that doesnt shot it would never go to the ground
salcook23 1 year ago
try that on a wrestler and boxer that doesnt shot it would never go to the ground
salcook23 1 year ago
the gracies didn't fight weak fighters, in ufc 1 and 2 joyce beat the best in the world twice, pat smith, an undefeated kickboxer, a top 10 boxer (can't remember his name, an olympic wrestler, the european open jiu jitsu champion, they're just badasses
jewjittsuguy 1 year ago
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sdairman 1 year ago
@Mekotoa1 I started wrestling when I was five through a few yes in college before joining the service. I do believe even today the "twister" as eddy bravo calls it or abdominal stretch as pro wrestlers call it is used in folkstyle wrestling (while riding with a single grapevine) I was suprised to find out that this moved was banned in some of Bjj tourneys I entered, because it's a spinelock. I still enjoy all grappling styles no matter what they're called.
trijjj89 1 year ago
Mekatoa1 OK. Here's the dumb ass quiz. Q 1. What is the name of Judo ground fighting? 2. What was the name and what was the expertise of the Gracie Sensei? 3. Where did the fighting systems that are the recognized foundation of modern MA's originate? What is your MA not wrestling training? And by the way I study Newaza in both Hankawaza and Tachiwaza applications in the randri setting :)
CFgroup1 1 year ago
The point is that the Gracie's took Judo ground fighting, slapped a new name on it, " fought" all kinds of weak fighters, disrespected the history and tradition of the Martial Arts by commercializing BJJ. Open hand fighting arts came from the battlefield were the reality was life and death. We in the modern world don't train and develop those killing techniques now. If all the art's the Gracie's have been disrespecting with these video's trained as they use to the Gracie's would have no chance.
CFgroup1 1 year ago 2
@CFgroup1 that could be the dumbest, most ignorant post I have read on here so far.
Mekatoa1 1 year ago
@CFgroup1 I agree with Mekatoa. That is just not accurate. For one, MMA is a sport where many martial arts are implemented. MANY people still train in martial arts for self defense for a street situation. Times are a little different than how it was in Feudal Japan but the techniques can still kill or maim. The BJJ you see in competition and in reality are different things. As far as battlefield goes, cops in many major cities and the Army Rangers are using Gracie Jiu Jitsu in their training.
ubush22 1 year ago
@ubush22 i'm a jail guard who trains in bjj and the fact that we have to do it seperately on our own free time and not by our agency for "liability" purposes should tell you just how deadly bjj is. And i agree, MMA utilizes many different forms of fighting, but nowadays, it seems to be mainly muay thai for striking, wrestling for takedowns, and bjj for groundfighting. I
odessaboy 1 year ago
@odessaboy Oh great, the pigs are getting serious about martial arts now? Time to start doing steroids...
DeviousDaveTV 1 year ago
@CFgroup1 but judo evolved from jiu jitsu, which was around since the samari of fuedal japan. i don't think he's disrespecting other arts as much as he's pointing out how these martial arts are mostly unpractical in real-world situations. I've trained in both tae kwon do and brazilian jiu-jitsu. I work in an open bay jail pod constatnly surrounded by 72 inmates and if i had to fight for my life, i'd be falling back on my bjj for sure.
odessaboy 1 year ago
@odessaboy well thats almost true. Judo came from a very basic form of jiu jitsu, judo greatly improved these techniques and modern jiu jitsu derived from that but instead of using takedowns so much, locks and levers were counted on more. I sure wouldn't like to be in your situation and if your that awesome a jiu jitsu practitioner than you should be teaching me a thing or two lol.
Govegeda 1 year ago
@CFgroup1 mate you clearly have no clue that BJJ has been astablished as the most affective martial art in the WORLD put any other martial art against a jui jitsu black belt and watch their fighting skills go down the drain, BJJ gives not soo strong people the chance to use their technical skills instead of brute strength soo instead of ranting on and making the gracies sound like assholes study the martial art first you stupid dumbass !!!
SQUEEKYFART 1 year ago
@CFgroup1 The Gracies took that part of judo and simplified it to transit into modern combat successfully, maybe they had an ulterior motive I dunno. How do you know they were "weak", were you there? The Gracies fought in real fights and in the early UFC which were basically vale tudo, can you say you did/do the same? We in the modern world do train & develop killing techniques, it's called military hand to hand, BJJ is even incorporated in it. So that part of your argument goes out the window.
le2key 1 year ago
@le2key The military CQC also incorporated the new flavor in it's hand to hand system, which is the least refined portion of CQC. In the 70's after Bruce Lee made Gung-Fu popular, it taught the rapid strikes of Wing Chung. In the 80's and 90's, Karate and TKD were thrown in. Now it's BJJ's turn. Don't put so much stock in BJJ being combat effective just because the military teaches it.
Super8astard 1 year ago
Bjj is bull sh**. Matt Hughs beat the crap out of Royce with out any ranking in any martial art style. These guys fight crappy people to promote there watered down Judo.
CFgroup1 1 year ago
@CFgroup1 Yeah, Royce was 40 years old. Hughes trained in Gracie Jiu Jitsu at Joe Goytia's (a Renzo student) in Chicago for many years so he also believed in that watered down Judo that you are so ignorant about.
Mekatoa1 1 year ago 17
@Mekatoa1 Are you from Chicago?
Jason Chambers also trained at Goytia's. Joe doesn't use a belt ranking system but both Jason and Matt Hughes took lessons there long enough to become certified by Goytia to teach BJJ. I saw Hughes dismantle people at Goytia's MMA tournaments in the late 90's. They went by old UFC rules (or lack of) back then.
ubush22 1 year ago
@Ubush22 wrestlers in the states do learn submissions, they just aren allowed to use them in competition in the states, while stationed in Japan I found there submission wrestling skills to be on point. Wrestlers stateside may not be comfortable on their back, but people who never get hit in the face don't apply submissions well the 1st time they get rocked.
trijjj89 1 year ago
@trijjj89 I wrestled from 8 years old through college and there were locks, holds, throws, takedowns, etc. but nothing like jiujitsu submissions taught or implemented at any level.
Mekatoa1 1 year ago
gay jitsu fake PROPAGANDA §!!!
jiu jitsu = gay jitsu = gaykama sutra = useless in a street fight ;)
albmyslim 1 year ago
@albmyslim loser
ubush22 1 year ago
@albmyslim I have found that the ones who talk the most crap about Jiu Jitsu are the ones who fear it the most.
168bthp 1 year ago
@albmyslim lol at gaykama sutra
EpicLeafNinja 1 year ago
this is a perfect example of the best street combat system, the Gracie jujitsu , those guys not just talk they back up their words with the action. thats the different between Gracie's and others disciplines, Gracie Jujitsu is a system for a real no-rules street fight.
beto1276 1 year ago
@beto1276 just dont try and armbar or triangle someone from your guard in a street fight or you'll get slammed!!! lol :P
ironmanl 1 year ago
@ironmanl there is even better defense against slamming, that is why the pros don't try to do it. They would end up getting thrown on their head or arm broken quickly. BJJ is an extremely effective street fighting art. Most people only see it applied in MMA constrictions.
ubush22 1 year ago
@ubush22 really,thanks mate will look into it,the best thing about bjj is you learn something all the time,:)
ironmanl 1 year ago
@ironmanl actually, thats very much untrue.. When the person in the bad position stands up to slam you, he makes both of his legs available for sweeps... theres a number of sweeps from this position...
clearlynotstefan 1 year ago
In most of these BJJ fights there are rules where you cannot strike and break something immediately. 95% of martial arts taught are meant to do serious harm. Whereas the armed forces are trained to kill.
arso21 1 year ago
Karate is so well known because of Master Bruce Lee introduction to it in the west and its a very effective way of self defence but unless you have fully mastered it I would have to give the edge to BJJ, because a beginner BJJ can learn simple submissions that would break a arm or put a man unconsious. A karate fighter will find it very hard to punch or land a kick with a broken arm.. BJJ will be here for a long time!!
RoofTable 1 year ago
I'm a big martial arts fan of all styles striking or grappling I love it all.
trijjj89 1 year ago
A smart wrestler with decent hand skills beats a pure Bjj player all day by simply keeping distance and not engaging in grappling at all. If you say Bjj players can also shoot it's a whole different level than you would find compared to a wrestler.
trijjj89 1 year ago
@trijjj89 ROFL thanks, that made my day
TheZongta 1 year ago
@trijjj89 keeping distance and not engaging would not beat a BJJ player. It would be a stalemate. A pure wrestler vs a BJJ practitioner for the most part (depending on skill levels) doesn't have submission skills. Wrestlers are lost on their back and cannot finish. Wrestlers in MMA have to learn submission skills to win.
ubush22 1 year ago
Have to be more repeito with Brazil to those who criticize the jiu-jitsu, after all it was Brazil that started it all, many years ago ...
impregnador 1 year ago
Mt Foda!!
impregnador 1 year ago
Jealousy consumes you bunch of gringos, Jiu-Jitsu deserves respect
impregnador 1 year ago
@SuperBluepurple Yes there is.
Keith6192 1 year ago
The Gracies used it in the ring,pretty well,too- it's an impressive footage,IMO.
parannoyance 1 year ago
Isso é uma piada! Talvez uma demonstração com algum leigo pq o karateca não usou nada do karatê... e teve tempo pra isso antes de ser agarrado! Combinado?... e os socos do que estava imobilizando o outro? Parece mulher dando soco!... Piada... palhaçada... Tenham mais respeito com as artes marciais... Elas não existem para serem disputadas entre sí.
Juliana3071969 1 year ago
Isso é uma piada! Talvez uma demonstração com algum leigo pq o karateca não usou nada do karatê... e teve tempo pra isso antes de ser agarrado! Combinado?... e os socos do que estava imobilizando o outro? Parece mulher batendo!... Piada... palhaçada...
Juliana3071969 1 year ago
FUCK KARATE. It the worst art ever.
Keith6192 1 year ago
@Keith6192 hardly
dudesrock2 1 year ago
jiu jitsu its a good martial art but is efectivnis is only good in sports combat wiht rules in a street fight you cant grame the atacer if we had a nife our its there more than one you cant go to the ground because only one is on the ground the rest is up and they will quick your ass down was many martial arts says dont go to the ground in a street fight because you will get KO
mauriinhocosta 1 year ago
@mauriinhocosta I have used BJJ several times on the street at work and its VERY effective. But you are right you can only deal with one at a time for the most part. It pays to be well rounded in several arts.
168bthp 1 year ago
@168bthp It does pay to be well rounded but BJJ does have multiple attack defenses.
ubush22 1 year ago
@ubush22 Thats very true, One of my instructors is a 3rd Deg black belt under Relson Gracie. Relson teaches the knee on belly allows you to control one attacker and keeps you able to defend against other attackers. We also are trained in knife defense which is alot of fun.
168bthp 1 year ago
Trust me all, I am not saying they suck. If i did, I didn't quite mean that like they suck. They are very good at what they do. and it works for them. It works very well. After so many years, no one has come up with something better to stop it.
But there is more than just strike or submission. Just no one shows off with it. Yet.
PPCLOCK 1 year ago
The only thing BJJ has never been able to defeat has been JUDO which gave birth to JJ anyway.
ScopedOUT2 1 year ago
@ScopedOUT2 jiu jitsu gave birth to judo (sport) and bjj (self defence)
saberman41 1 year ago
@saberman41 Right, sorry I had that part wrong LOL. But anyway I don't think BJJ has anything new that JJ had to begin with.
ScopedOUT2 1 year ago
@saberman41 yikes
ipyonoti 1 year ago
@saberman41 LOL no my friend.. judo gave form to jiu jitsu, look it up.. judo used to be called kano jujutsu, brazil took to calling it jiu-jitsu when it was introduced.
therealJAYO 1 year ago
@therealJAYO Carlos grace was taught traditonal jiu jitsu if he was taught judo there wouldnt be leg locks
saberman41 1 year ago
@saberman41 you have no idea what your talking about do you? look it up, im not just saying things out of speculation lol its documented information, jiu-jitsu was the brazilian term for kano jujutsu which later became known as judo, facts of life, no way around it, and helio started his training in kano jujutsu, which was mainly focused around strength, him being small he had to alter his technique for leverage
therealJAYO 1 year ago
@therealJAYO helio was 6th degree black belt judo carlos gracie isnt a black belt look it up wouldnt he be if he was being taught judo?
saberman41 1 year ago
@saberman41 thats my fault for missing the fact you said carlos, i was talking about helio
therealJAYO 1 year ago
@therealJAYO ah k just a mix up
saberman41 1 year ago
@therealJAYO gracie*
saberman41 1 year ago
see him vs yoshida
f3l1p3h3nr1qu3z 1 year ago
Gracie fighting is cool for what it is. No strike. Just roll on the floor and hold. The trick to beating it . Is never stop punching. Never try and match what they do. Continue to hit, kick, elbow, knee. Gracie fighting has no strike.
If you have watched them as often as I have, you never see them strike until they get the other in their hold. Well... don't get in the hold. pretty simple. Don't counter don't match. We all have kryptonite out there somewhere hunting us down.
PPCLOCK 1 year ago
@PPCLOCK how do you not get into a hold? there are tons of throws, clinches, takedowns, jump guards, pull guards, sweeps, leg attacks. if you dont have bjj knowledge against someone who has, you are pretty much screwed.
grapplermodel 1 year ago
@PPCLOCK if u jsut went crazy you would get easyly taken down
saberman41 1 year ago
@PPCLOCK tut tut..to resist is futile...you can't stop a top grappler from taking you down...because at some point you have to defend an attack ..it could be a punch or a kick or just a feint..this is the time you will get taken down when you are covering up..it's all in the setup. people who just rush in and go for a takedown deserve to get knocked out...everyone has strikes just that some are far better than others..even bjj has strikes..except they like to do it once they are on top of you
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@PPCLOCK Not a very good theory, i'm being taught bjj and when i'm on my back i'm told to always keep my arms tucked against my chest and held together (if being punched move my forearms over my face) until i get the chance to bridge my hips and get my opponent off mount. if i just start hitting him i'm immediately setting myself up for an armlock...
IgitRdie 1 year ago
Any of these karate guys names?
Something that can show they are masters/champion in there sports vs a champion ju-jiutsu?
Point I am getting at, is that you can do the same with other styles. Put a champion karate guy vs a normal ju-jiutsu guy then the same will happen.
Also another thing is that in the old times everybody thought karate is unstoppable. Ju Jiutsu was in many peoples heads something new. So no experience in that for the karate people. And they fall for nothing.
NvdWesthuizen 1 year ago
@NvdWesthuizen
You got it all wrong bro, an amateur BJJ practitioner can beat a champion karate guy.
If you can't grapple you can't fight someone who can. You'll get beat.
oODropshotOo 1 year ago 25
@oODropshotOo - Lol... Then I guess the bjj guy that I completely obliterated also did not know what he was doing...
NvdWesthuizen 1 year ago
@oODropshotOo - Lol... Then I guess the bjj guy that I completely obliterated also did not know what he was doing...
And I am no champion. So your next reply will probably state that the bjj guy did not know what he was doing... mmm
NvdWesthuizen 1 year ago
@NvdWesthuizen
So the exception is the rule now?
Anything can happen in a fight. You managed to KO or hurt a guy before he could use what he knows. Congrats, but what happens when he does get you on the ground?
We've seen it a hundred times before, first in vale tudo, later in early UFC, and now in modern MMA. Strikers with no ground experience lose. There are hours of video evidence and its not hard to find if you look. What do you have besides 1 story of how you "obliterated" some guy?
oODropshotOo 1 year ago
@oODropshotOo - Lookup karate wins ju jutsu. I am not going to look it up now as you can do it yourself.
Think of this. Karate has always been there about and well known.
So what do you do if you have another style? Karate been the yardstick.
Everything you get where you win against karate you post as a video.
Karate on the otherside does not have to make a name for itself. Everybody knows it.
Makes sense why there are many ju jitsu guys posting videos now?
PS. I'll say it again. Fighter
NvdWesthuizen 1 year ago
@oODropshotOo actually your wrong you can beat a grappler you just have to have good take down deffence or knock him out before he takes the fight to the ground
Yashstradamos 1 year ago
@oODropshotOo well except if the amateur practitioneer can't close in enough. but if he is able to take to the ground, i approve your comment 100%
It's not that easy to close the gap.
kind regards
laokon 1 year ago
@oODropshotOo
the bjj guy has to be fast enough to wrap him up and make sure he doesn't get hit. this is coming from someone who studies gracie barra
yusufulhas 10 months ago
@yusufulhas
You're right. Not trying to sound like an asshole or know it all here the most experience I have is high school wrestling. I believe most Karate guys aren't going to train TDD because they're training exclusively for karate matches. So I guess that statement: "If you can't grapple you can't fight someone who can." is exaggerating because if you can stop the guy from getting you down you'll win.
Siver vs Sotiropoulos is a great recent example of this in the sport of mma.
oODropshotOo 10 months ago
@oODropshotOo defending takedowns is part of grappling. unless you have machida-like evasiveness to just get out the way completely.
khazal12 9 months ago
@oODropshotOo Você está defecando pela boca, meu aluno!
Juli698 9 months ago
@oODropshotOo i like the way you think
andersonsilva2124 9 months ago
@oODropshotOo Wrong, if you find a true karate school and not a McDojo, Karate, Judo, and Jiu Jitsu (yes, it existed before the Gracies) were all combined as a full form of self defense. This BJJ VS. blah is redundant.
evolvedb4u 9 months ago
@oODropshotOo talking about champion
i really want to see an amateur bjj practitioner against the boxing champion mike tyson
yin0625 8 months ago
@yin0625
Tyson would get subbed with the quickness if it went to the mat. Of course I have trouble picturing some amateur fighter getting in close enough to take down tyson without getting dropped. What's he going to jab to set up a takedown? Tyson would knock his block off.
oODropshotOo 8 months ago
@oODropshotOo i think even the gracies would have trouble getting him on the mat keeping him there might be hard to considering how strong he is.
jackthePS3GAMER 8 months ago
@yin0625
All that said I think we can agree there's a huge difference between a karate champion and a world class boxer especially one like Tyson with huge ko power. Karate champs are bitch made. (kidding kidding... kinda)
oODropshotOo 8 months ago
@yin0625 I think it would be to hard for the gracies to even get him on the ground! mike Tyson would defiantly knock them out even if they were to get him on the ground it would be hard keeping him there because Mike Tyson is so strong these guys are fighting scronny asian guys but mike tyson is a little different you are right it would be interesting.
jackthePS3GAMER 8 months ago
@jackthePS3GAMER yes MT is so strong and fast and much heavier than the bjj practitioner in this video even if the gracie can get close to MT, he may not be able to submit MT probability MT may knock him out before they go to ground fight
yin0625 8 months ago
@oODropshotOo I would agree but JUDO is like a defense to BJJ and ground fighting with throws and sweeps it makes it almost impossible for someone who knows BJJ to get someone who knows JUDO on the ground plus some Karate people could stay off the ground if they were good in that case BJJ is useless.
jackthePS3GAMER 8 months ago
@jackthePS3GAMER BJJ also uses sweeps, shoots, throws, takedowns, etc. It is pretty much modified Judo.
The vast majority of the time a BJJ guy will beat a karate guy. Most fights go to the ground or at least get into a clinch at which the karate guy is dead. Did you even watch this video or any MMA? Click on a couple more at the right.
ubush22 7 months ago
@oODropshotOo you are so correct. i am a second degree black belt in tae kwon do,and i always thought that if i have strong kicks i can do fine in a fight against bjj or judo fighters.i recently quit and joined an mma gym with proffessional mma fighters as instructors,and i realised how much importance ground work is. if you cant stay up, strikes dont do anything
ganitywaltz 8 months ago
Man, all of these fights don't show the losses . Such one sided crap videos. how about all the fights where gracie team got ktfo trying to roll around on the floor and never getting hold? There is one video says the other guy is an expert but you can plainly see he wasn't.. just like all the old ricer videos used to say the other guy had nitros. Gracie jujitsu is a bite pull hair fight.
PPCLOCK 1 year ago
@PPCLOCK Right on! You got it all figured out! Now let's you and I go out and beat us up some of these Gracie pussies! You go first alright?
christlicker 1 year ago
This is some crazy fights
0Crzy 1 year ago