You are an intelligent, articulate young lady. Please continue this work and never back down. You are fighting for one of the most important causes in the world. God bless you.
Does anybody realize that, if you look up the word "fetus", you will find that it stems from the Latin word "foetus" which means "offspring" or "baby".
Everyone knows our rights come from the government. And we know that the government will be heavily invested in healthcare now. And everybody knows certain people who are living hard knock lives, or are undesireable, must be liquidated and put out of everyone's misery. It is for the good, of course.
Lia, honey, you do not abort a baby who is ALREADY born. That is out of the mother's womb. So your arguements are tremendously flawed. Of course no woman would kill their baby that was already born and out of the womb. That would be murder. And no, the womans' rights trumps the fetus'. The fetus doesn't have any rights. if you know anything about law, a child, anyone under 18, their rights are limited. Even they don't have the same rights an adult would have
@DoubleR2591 If you are challenging the humanity of the unborn child, I would invite you to take a look at my other video called "Are the Unborn Humans?" And I agree, children's right are limited. But so are the rights of adults. For example, an adult may not kill someone else, because that infringes on the other person's rights. So, if the unborn child is a human, it also has rights, so a woman shouldn't be allowed to kill it. But also, as a side point, although many rights are limited based...
@FyreFoxXP on age, the right to life is never limited. So my point is, why is it okay to kill an unborn child one minute before it's born, when it's obviously not okay to kill a newborn child?
@FyreFoxXP I have watched your videos before. The rights of adults are only limited to what the government says its limited to. The only time rights are limited based is when the government of that society is limited. The government essentially determines how many rights we have. And it is impossible to determine when life starts.
@DoubleR2591 Firstly, it's not impossible to determine when life starts, because science is very clear on when human life begins. As for the rest of you comment, you just proved my point. If you're comfortable with the government deciding who should get rights and who shouldn't, then that's your choice. But my point is that we shouldn't let the government decide who gets rights and who doesn't, because someone will always be discriminated against.
@davebruno81 The "baby" hasn't even started devoloping at conception, so it's hardly a baby or unborn baby, whatever you wanna call it. If you can prove when the fetus turns into a human, then at that point it is wrong
@DoubleR2591 you are missing the point of the illustration entirely AND the limited rights of anyone under eighteen do not include "we can toy with your life whenever we want til you are eighteen." You are sick
@jfrazier4him23 What is the point of the illustration? To prove abortion is wrong, yes? No, but just because you are a human, doesn't mean you have unlimited rights to do anything you want. Your rights are granted to you by the government who rules over a society.
@DoubleR2591 The point of the illustration is to show that you wouldnt kill a HUMAN that has been born, it is illegal. She is showing that the baby, even unborn, is a HUMAN that has a certain amount of rights. Those rights do not include the government or ANYONE to kill you for no reason, especially because they cannot talk or plead. That is the mass-murder problem that you people believe in!
@DoubleR2591 They do not have legal right because YOU say they do not and in turn, the government says they do not. BUT if a new born baby is left to die then the parents get in huge trouble! There is no difference between the new born and an unborn in any stage. THAT IS LOGIC AND RATIONAL THINKING.
a 15 year old is raped and becomes pregnant. she doesn't want a baby because she has no one that could look after/help look after it and she's in no position to look after it herself. she wouldn't want a baby even if she was in a position to look after. she has important exams coming up which will determine her future. sadly it's illegal to abort so her life is ruined for the sake of her unborn child who has a rubbish life anyway because of it's poor upbringing.
You shouldn't give an example that is specifically invented to prove your point. You are very well spoken, but your ideas are all flawed and you aren't old enough to understand anything about life yet, unless you have been raped or had an abortion at your young age in which case you can make your points all you want.
Many women who get raped, especially if its incest, don't have the money or family support to fall back on. Sadly, politicians that want a full ban on abortion are the politicians who also don't want any social programs for women in that situation.
fantastic video,i am proud of her,l if such a young person can have such a wise, logical understanding of the topic of abortion, it is shameful to many adults that have not been able to get to the same conclusion, i am sure anyone who listen to this video will have a better understanding of the topic, and will have all the logical and factual reason to reconsider their view on abortion, and be more sympathetic about always choosing life. great job
leave people rights alone. honey, I know this is a passionate part of your life, but growing up in a horrible neighbor hood which most of these women do is hard. sure it's their responsibility but not all abortion is senseless murder. a baby should grow up on the streets because of moral issues. they shouldn't have to grow up in a place where being hurt or mugged may end up dead anyways. and your statistics on abortion are world wide so your making it seem like every woman gets an abortion and
The truth is these pro life people only care about a baby BEFORE its born...and couldnt care less about it after birth. Thats just wrong...do you know what its like living in foster care?? I dont think so, go back to your plush life and leave peoples rights alone!
How about you stop making these stupid biased videos and let people make their own fucking decisions. You are a kid and shouldn't even fathem the thought of these concepts. You have obviously been tought certain "ideas" by your guardians and are influenced by there speech. Most of what you are saying is bullshit anyways so how about you just let people do what they want to do!
Honestly, I feel like you can't just ignore the rights of the women just because of a rape-produced fetus. And when you were talking about the scenarios, asking us, "Would it be okay to kill the baby after it was born?" Well duh, no. It's a HUMAN by that point. A fetus is NOT a human. It does not have thoughts, feelings, or any rights. It's just a blob of cells for the most part of pregnancy. Ignoring the rape victim's opinions for a fetus is not right at all. The woman is a WOMAN, not a womb.
Mentioning rape in an argument against the legality of abortion is not intellectually dishonest since the false accusations of rape will reach astronomical proportions the very next day you only allow abortions in case of rape, ruining millions of lives.
This is just you being intellectually limited by religion.
Also, tell your mother that using her child to promote her imbecilic views is not that cute.
Women have the right to choose what will happen inside their bodies. Period.
Are you people serious? Why shouldn't a child tell an adult what is wrong? Often children have a MUCH higher awareness of what is right and wrong than adults, as their morals and values are less tainted. Abusing a child is not cool. Also, I think your so-called "logic" is not logical at all. Purpose in your life does not mean that a person was meant to get raped. Rather, through your life you will contribute something valuable to the world through your personalilty and experiences. 180movie.com
Third of all if a dog is as smart as a 2 year old, and we can legally put or dogs to sleep, why cant we let our unborn fetuses that dont have the mental capacity of even knowing they themselves exist be any different.
@thirdimpact i know and i dont mean to say that i guess i didnt get my point i was trying to make across well enough. what i ment was that if dogs with the mental ability to know that they (the dog) exists, that it can recognize a owner, that it functions as well as a 2 year old child and has a MUCH higher intelligence than that of a fetus, then why can we kill our dogs but not someone who doesnt know he/she exists.
@Dersabom First, I would say that at the very least, that might be an argument against euthanizing animals and not a justification for abortion. Second, a lack of self awareness doesn't change what is alive, i.e. a human being.
@Dersabom No. It's not matter of opinion. Liking a movie or not is a matter of opinion. Styles of clothing are a matter of opinion. Tastes in food, fashion, or where to spend a vacation are matters of opinion. Abortion is either removing a clump of tissue or the murder of an unborn baby in the most gruesome ways possible. There is no way around that. If it's is a human being, than it's murder. It's not just a matter of opinion.
@thirdimpact HEY PAL. The only reason I said that was because I was getting bored of debating you and wanted to end on a peaceful note. But i guess not. We aren't debating (to deliberate; consider) because you won't consider anything I have to say. I have said one thing you just say something different. Unless you only engaged this conversation to try and piss somebody off, then you and I have been wasting our time trying to convince someone to believe something they obviously refuse to do.
What defines a person? It is not the genetic blueprints of what could become a functioning person (if it was then any girl that had her period or guy that didnt reproduce daily would be commiting a crime), it is the self awareness of the being in question.
Second of all why shouldnt abortion be allowed? The obvious answer any pro "life" person would say is because they are killing a person, which is bad. I agree killing a person is bad, but i do not view a fetus as a person.
Firt of all stop yelling at this girl for telling adults what to do, she is obiously reading her little "speech" from whatever her catholic mother or father has ripped from the internet, had shoved down their throats at church, or used their own creativity to write.
Hypothetically speaking, what if a woman wants to donated an organ to her husband who would otherwise die, however, if she is to go through with this procedre, she will have to abort? Would you support giving her the right to go through with the abortion?
Oh look the little kid is going to tell us all what's right! Shut up, you know nothing. You have not got the life skills and experience to lecture the world on this subject. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@SvenTviking I'm not sure if you realize this, but you look far more immature than this "little kid" by coming onto the video, calling a girl names, while failing to even bring up a point in your defense.
The unborn child is NOT the criminal in the case of rape. The CHILD is not a monster because he was conceived in this way. The CHILD has every right to life as every other human being.
Why would you have a heightened sense of respect for others when you just got raped, sexually assaulted, or become an incest victim. I would fucking hate everyone.
Even though you can't hear them or see them at all, a person is a person no matter how small. -dr. Seuss
No matter who this baby is,
How he or she was conceived,
Or how she or he is going to be raised.
He or she is still a baby without a choice because the mother took the option away from them. & if I was raped I would rise above, give birth & put the baby up for adoption.
@ChayyneeBieber - And i'm sure your baby would thank you later in life, having been abandoned and thrown into a system that is under-funded, over-crowded and potentially dangerous. A lot of children never find a home. They are left onto the street to defend themselves once they come of age, with little to no support from the system or the people that claim to care for unborn babies.
Care? Really? You care so much that you just abandon them.
Their child has a purpose or meaning? Logically, that means they/YOU think that they were MEANT TO GET RAPED, as that potential child would cease to exist without them being sexually assaulted. Child: "Hey...mom...who's my daddy?" Mother: "Well...honey...God, through his grace, allowed a depraved man, your FATHER, to attack me outside of a christian bookstore. He punched me repeatedly and savagely raped me as I cried in a pool of my own piss and blood. Isn't it GREAT to be alive?"
@songdiver I see what you're saying, but I don't believe God makes the rape happens, he knows it will, but he doesn't MAKE it happen. All God does is tries to make the best out of the situation, he has a plan for the child regardless of how it came about. If that's with another parent through adoption then so be it. Man raped this woman, God comforted her and made the best of the situation and the child, if we choose to abort we're just getting in the way of God.
@songdiver, i respect your opinion, consider this, my wife was born from a result of a rape, i am grateful her mom kept her, i would not change my wife, for any woman that had a normal conception or all the $ on earth, my wife is a live example of a human being. today my wife can encourage others that are thinking of abortion to take care of the baby or give for adoption, never kill. also my mother in law, the raped person is one of the most amazing woman, an example of courage & love for life
Yes it is a debate and she made a valid point but you can't seem to see that. YOU started this debate about something that people said a month ago! Maybe you should see a counselor because your the one who is name calling people over youtube and has made no valid point to this discussion, just rebuking other peoples views.
@ohmyitsdanielle The time of the posting of the comment is irrelevant, and I did provide something. You are just blind to it because both of you refuse to answer my point. Pro-Choicers tend to talk big, but they never have anything to back it up, just whining, complaining, beating around the bush and putting the focus somewhere else, and just plain non-debating. If she is still having issues FIFTEEN YEARS after it occurred, then she needs professional help. These comments are not the place.
@amanda2324 By the way it's not good to debate using Ad-Hominems like "If she is still having issues FIFTEEN YEARS after it occurred, then she needs professional help." You have done nothing but attacked me. I do get counseling, but counseling is a luxury that people can't always afford. It's not that I'm not over it, but I'm standing up for myself and not letting the experience I went through be trivialized in other people's minds so that people take rape and incest seriously.
@breemystic I have not attacked you at all. I have said that if you have problems, you need help. You've spent all this time crying how no Pro-Life person has helped you, now THIS Pro-Life person is pointing out that you need help and providing the only help I can (pointing out that you need help), and what do you do? Complain. Whine. Accuse me of attacking you. And I don't trivialize it, and to assume that I do is a false assumption on your part.
You keep talking about "choices" but you want to take away a choice/ Right to have an abortion. hypocritical statements. Also you're almost as bad as west burrow baptists.
@ohmyitsdanielle That is a logical fallacious argument, not to mention an extremely stupid one. I've not been through war, and none of my relatives have been murdered. Does that mean I can't have an opinion that these things are terrible and wrong? No. Please come up with a better argument.
Hey Lia, I could care less if only 1% of Abortions are hard cases including Rape, Incest and Life of the Mother in danger. I was an incest victim at 12 Lia, luckily I hadn't hit puberty, so I wouldn't have had to deal with such a tough decision of either giving the baby up for adoption, raising it(wouldn't have happened) or an abortion.
Please don't dehumanize me or other incest and rape victims to give a fetus special rights. That's why I'm not Pro-Human Fetus Life.
@amanda2324 Yeah, yeah I know. In fact rape isn't a bad thing at all. Considering the person who molested me at 12 years old, only got counseling for 3 sessions and I got called a pathological liar. Good thing I was Pre-Pubescent, otherwise, on top of being vilified and being called a pathological liar I would have to carry the pregnancy to term at 12 years old. And why? Because I'm not a person to you or any Pro-Human Fetus Lifer. You know I wish I was in Utero, maybe you would care more then.
@amanda2324 Yeah, yeah I know. In fact rape isn't a bad thing at all. Considering the person who molested me at 12 years old, only got counseling for 3 sessions and I got called a pathological liar. Good thing I was Pre-Pubescent, otherwise, on top of being vilified and being called a pathological liar I would have to carry the pregnancy to term at 12 years old. And why? Because I'm not a person to you or any Pro-Human Fetus Lifer. You know I wish I was in Utero, maybe you would care more then.
@amanda2324 You know where were you Pro-Lifers, when my parents didn 't take me to the doctor annually or didn't take me to dentist? Where were you guys when I had nothing to eat and despite calling no one would help me with food. Where were you people when my step-dad was abusive and I needed to move out, but couldn't' find a decent job to do so. So my right to Life was in jeopardy.
I bet the only time you would have cared about me at all was if my mom was about to abort me at a clinic.
@breemystic Please stop making assumptions; not only does it make you look stupid, but childish. It is you who is dehumanizing me, claiming all of these false assumptions about me and going off on an immature tangent. You will not guilt trip me by playing the rape card. Rape is one thing, murder is another, neither crime justifies doing one or the other to an innocent. If you cannot address this argument, then we are not really debating and I should not waste my time on you.
@amanda2324 And I love how no Pro-Human Fetus Lifer ever tells me how sorry they are about what I went through at 12 years old. I love how I'm dehumanized and how what I went through is talked about in generalized statements like "Rape is tragic." If you want to get Pro-Choice, or as you call us Pro-Abortion when I do work to get the abortion rate down through the Prevention First Act, incest and rape victims on your side, you need to start treating us like Persons and show empathy to us.
@breemystic I was sexually abused at age 8. I know what it's like, but I'm beyond giving anyone out right pity. Stop demanding that I some how owe you something for what you went through. You're using it as a tool, and therefore, I give you no sympathy. Yes, rape is tragic, I know. But it still doesn't justify murdering an innocent, no matter how you look at it. So, you should do just as I have done despite the abuse - grow up and move on. If you haven't yet, you should see a counselor.
@amanda2324 She's asking for empathy not pity. How can you care about murder if you can't even give someone simple empathy. She doesn't sound childish she sounds like a person thats been hurt and feels like people only care about abortion not the child's well being after they have been born. You just sound evil because although you care about an unborn fetus it doesn't seem like you have the ability to give simple empathy to a human being.
@ohmyitsdanielle And you sound like a child, especially immature for calling me evil when you have no proof of such, only biased, immature assumptions. If she is so hurt, she should be at a counselors office receiving professional help, not crying about it on Youtube. I don't show a lot of empathy, sympathy, or pity for those who aren't helping themselves. And she is in fact playing the guilt card, but you are to biased to see this. This is a debate, not a charity event or counselors office.
@ohmyitsdanielle And again, as I said to her, I don't owe her anything. I could give it to her were we to meet in person, but 1. we are debating, thus this is no place for putting the focus on someone's hurt feelings, but rather, trying to show whose side holds more merit, 2. a counselor would be better for that, and 3. who is to say that she isn't lying? She could spout off anything she wants on Youtube, that doesn't mean it's true. Again, if she STILL has hurt feelings, a counselor is needed.
@amanda2324 "3. who is to say that she isn't lying?" This is where you called me a liar by saying "Who is to say she isn't lying?" You haven't added anything to the debate either. I wasn't making assumptions about you except for the fact that had I been able to get pregnant and did get pregnant, which I didn't and couldn't, thank Goodness I didn't, you would have wanted me to carry to term and make the heart breaking decision of giving the baby up for adoption which I would have regretted.
@breemystic I did not call you a liar, but I DID say that it's a possibility. Please don't twist my words to mean something they don't. Furthermore, I wouldn't have known whether or not you had gotten pregnant - I was like two years older when you were raped. But of course I would want you to - better than murdering the child.
@amanda2324 The 2nd post and parts of the 1st post were all true story. But then again in your words "Who is to say that she isn't lying?"
I was vilified as a pathological liar and my parents insisted that I asked my brother to have sex with me when he was the sexually active one not me. Nobody made sure my parents took me to the doctor or dentist visits. I was denied help from Pro-Life food pantries and the Government because I on my minimum wage "made too much."
@breemystic Food pantries and the government can only help so many people - my family has eight kids, and we have been denied help as well, even though dad has been laid off on numerous occasions. But I've not let that make me bitter; I've grown up, moved on, decided it's not worth worrying about.
@amanda2324 And lastly, until I moved in with my spouse, I did have to live with my step-dad who was abusive to my mom and I, because I couldn't find a decent job. Nobody that was Pro-Life cared. I have 2 Crisis Pregnancy Centers in my city, a county Right To Life chapter, numerous Christian churches and yet nobody who was Pro-Life helped. That's not a reflection on you. I didn't say you did that. I was just making a general statement and I am getting counseling thank you very much.
@breemystic Well, good that you're getting counseling. Then I don't see why you're still spewing it over a Youtube page. All you're doing is pointing out that many Pro-Life people appear to be hypocritical, but you have in no way addressed what I said in my original post, which was rape does not justify the murder of an innocent.
@amanda2324 "but you have in no way addressed what I said in my original post, which was rape does not justify the murder of an innocent."
I have addressed this, I spent 5 posts addressing this earlier. So I will summarize it. Murder is the unlawful killing of a person. A fetus especially a non-viable fetus is not a person yet. We don't count feti as dependents on the census or on tax returns. They are not persons. And even if they are, they have no right to a woman's uterus.
@breemystic ...right. Okay. It is their -right- because they didn't choose to be there. It just happened. Okay, your arguments are starting to sound very illogical. A human is a person. Again, you're twisting the definitions to fit your own view. Dependency, level of dependency, or the dependency on one or more people do NOT some how make it a person or not a person.
@amanda2324 There is killing that we condone. Do you think War is murder? We go over to other countries because a few people in that country are crazy and need help and kill civilians, like 1,000,000 Iraq citizens, which is why military members have PTSD because they feel like they have committed murder. There are police that kill people that they suspect to be guilty research that. Troy Davis in Georgia is about to die on September 21st, when he's innocent.
@breemystic We're discussing murder, which is the unlawful killing of an innocent, not killing, which is the killing of a person under ACCEPTABLE conditions. Please stay on topic.
@amanda2324 So killing someone by the death penalty that could be innocent like Troy Davis, a policemen killing someone that could be innocent, killing 1,000,000 innocent iraq citizens is acceptable? Thank you for proving my point that there are acceptable times when people kill innocent people abortion is one of them.
@breemystic Okay, you're immature. I did not say that. I told you to stay on topic and quit putting it somewhere else. Please be mature and stop going off on a tangent on something that we're not talking about. You are talking about death penalty being put on someone who is -possibly- innocent, which is not the same case here, because ALL human unborn babies, and babies, are without a doubt innocent.
@amanda2324 Yes, please continue with the ad-hominems, by calling me immature. I have called you nothing and am trying to debate with you with some civility. So you are for some cases where born people who are possibly innocent can be killed, just not the unborn. What makes the unborn more valuable than an innocent killed by the police, the death penalty like the troy davis case, or citizens that we kill in other countries. I thought a human was a human and you shouldn't kill an innocent.
@ohmyitsdanielle Exactly:) I'm not going to waste my time on her. And I love how she calls me a liar. Exactly why I turned from the Pro-Life side after being on it for 14 years.
@breemystic Please point out where I called you a liar.
And also please point out where you "intelligent Pro-Choicers" answered my statement.
Neither of you have added anything to this but trying to force the view somewhere else other than where it is supposed to be. Are all Pro-Choicers no good at debating? Really? Few Pro-Choicers can actually stay on topic, but would rather go off on an emotional tangent or put focus on somewhere other than the task at hand.
@amanda2324 And you just trying to force the view onto the unborn human that is 100% dependent on a woman's body until viability. And I take the position of a woman is entitled to her constitutional right to freedom of religion, right to liberty and right to not have anyone use her body against her will. I don't have to donate my blood or bone marrow to someone if I don't want to.
If I passed on the genes for hemophilia to a child, I wouldn't have to give the child blood once it's born.
@breemystic The baby is not part of the woman's body - the woman's body treats it as an invader.
Furthermore, I don't CARE what religion anyone is in, murder is wrong, period. Also, who is using the woman's body against her will in the case of an abortion? No one. Pregnancy is a natural process, therefore it is a logical fallacy to say that anyone is forcing you to do that. So your analogy is incorrect. Furthermore, a baby is a baby - murdering a baby is wrong.
@amanda2324 But before the baby is born, you want me and other women who are not you, if you are a woman, to be forced to donate our blood, our kidneys, our body at great risk of death, infertility and major bodily impairments. Yet once the baby is born, I do agree with late term abortion bans as long as the woman's life is kept in mind too, they will never ever again be able to say sue for the rights to a person's blood or bone marrow or organs.
@breemystic Again, you're making assumptions. I do not -want- to -force- you to do that thing, but as you fail to realize is that I can't force you to be pregnant. Pregnancy, again, is a NATURAL process. Forcing you to give up a kidney, that is actual force, because it is unnatural. But no second or third party has anything to do with the process of pregnancy, it JUST. HAPPENS. Therefore, no force is involved at all.
@amanda2324 "I do not -want- to -force- you to do that thing, but as you fail to realize is that I can't force you to be pregnant."
That's what you want to do, you want to force woman who aren't you, to carry to term or stay pregnant until they give birth. True or False on that? You may not have had a part on making the woman pregnant, but you want to tell other women they have to carry to term again true or false?
@amanda2324, I know you're not going to agree with me and I'm not going to agree with you, no matter how much you tell me that I can't debate, or I'm a stupid Pro-Choicer, or that I need help. I don't tend to change my view based on someone belittling me. Have a Good day.
@amanda2324 And what statement, the statement of "Rape is tragic. But rape does not justify the murder of an innocent."
Rape is tragic. But abortion not murder, Murder is the unlawful killing of a person. The unborn human is a human, what else could it be a plant? But it's not a person yet, to be a person it has to at least be viable. It can't be 100% physically dependent on ONE Person's body to live. Once born, no one has a right to someone's organs or blood even if they would die.
@breemystic Human and person are one and the same. To say differently is both scientifically and logically false. You are killing a person, nothing you claim can change this fact. So what if it is dependent on a person? My Aspergers brother, eight years old, is dependent upon my mom. If something were to happen to her, he would lose it. People are dependent upon doctors, some on machines, insulin, etc, that are provided by second or third parties to keep them alive.
@amanda2324 It's not a person, it's a human not a person. A person isn't physically dependent on someone else, like an unviable human fetus is. I'm sorry to hear about your brother with Aspergers, but I'm sure that there are people with Aspergers whose mom's are dead or whose mom's have given them up for adoption, because your brother doesn't require being in your mom's uterus to live. Same thing with my husband who's diabetic, he takes insulin but isn't in his mother's uterus right now.
@breemystic Well, by that logic, we can put the fetus into ANY woman's body and it would still live, so no, it's not JUST dependent upon the mother. Furthermore, location has nothing to do with it. Inside the body or out, a human is still a human, and a human is a person. You're twisting the definitions to fit your own opinion when it doesn't work that way.
@amanda2324 I agree a human is a human. But an unborn isn't necessarily a person, and even if it is, it doesn't have the right to someone else's body without their consent. Why should a woman lose her 1st, 13th and 14th amendment rights upon getting pregnant however that occurs? And why should a fetus be able to take someone's 1st, 13th and 14th amendment rights, but once it's born, isn't able to take someone's constitutional rights to their body?
@breemystic I'm sorry, but no one can give CONSENT to a NATURAL PROCESS. Again, the conclusion of your argument is unsound. Pregnancy HAPPENS, the baby being conceived HAPPENS, therefore there is no FORCE involved. The baby isn't doing ANYTHING other than what NATURE REQUIRES of it. Therefore, it is not taking, stealing, or forcing the woman to "lose her rights" - nature is simply taking its course.
@amanda2324 I have asked many Pro-Life people in the past the question of why a unborn human should get the right to use the mother's organs and blood against her will, yet once that unborn human is born, that person will never have that right again. It's a special right and it's a right that no born person has. And I don't get why an unborn human should have that special right? And No Prolifer has given me an answer without doing Ad-Hominems or back to the It's a Life argument.
@breemystic It's not a RIGHT, it JUST HAPPENS. It's natural. If you want to whine and complain about what NATURE (or God) had the process of pregnancy require, then go to them, not me. But that still doesn't change the fact that murdering an unborn baby is wrong. Saying that it's okay to murder them just because their dependent - and NATURALLY that way, I might add - is, as far as I can see, wrong.
@ohmyitsdanielle It is a baby. You cannot prove that it isn't. Dr. Jerome Lejeune, the Father of Modern Genetics who found the cause of Down Syndrome, and countless other scientists and doctors alike testify to this. "Fetus" just refers to the specific stage of development, as infant is used for a young, born baby and toddler for small children, and so on and so forth.
@amanda2324 And for that matter a baby is someone that is born while a fetus is someone that is not born. You can't twist definitions to make your case either.
@breemystic Actually, no, you are again wrong. Why should it be called fetus while in the womb, but a baby when out? Is there something magical that happens between the eight inch journey from womb to doctors hands, or are you being biased again?
@amanda2324 Oh okay, so if I don't agree with you, then you get to use ad-hominems because I don't agree with you.
A human is always a human, but a person must be biologically independent not relying on one person's body. In the case of an Embryo there is a huge difference between an embryo and a Born Baby. You are also trying to twist terms by calling a non viable fetus or embryo a baby. Again, I'm for late term abortion bans.
@breemystic Prove where it says that a person is not biologically dependent on a person's body. Again, you're trying to say nature and natural processes are somehow unjust. Human is a person, person is a human. Again, you provide no scientific evidence to support you, only your opinion.
@amanda2324 There's probably nothing that I can say for you to agree with me and that's fine, and there's nothing you can say to me that would make me agree with you. Have a good day. Is that civil enough?
@amanda2324 In fact 41 states have banned late term abortions, but you have to agree that there is a big difference between a 20+ week old fetus or newborn in some cases, and an 8 week embryo. Sex is not a consent to pregnancy.
@breemystic So what? There are still newborn babies being murdered by Pro-Choice doctors because the mothers want the babies dead. And the only difference between the two is stage of development. There is a huge difference between an infant and an adult. Your comparison is incorrect. Furthermore, sex may not be a consent to pregnancy, but girl, NATURE. Doesn't. Care. whether you are consenting to a NATURAL process or not. Again, it just happens.
@amanda2324 "So what? There are still newborn babies being murdered by Pro-Choice doctors because the mothers want the babies dead. And the only difference between the two is stage of development."
And as I've stated I'm not for that only about 25% of Pro-Choicers are and I'm not one of them. I'm one of the 65% in the recent gallup poll that believes 1st trimester abortions should be illegal. But of course you're going to bring up late term abortions that account for 1.5% of all abortions.
@breemystic Perfect, unassailable comment, but the sad truth is that Christians simply don't care.
They don't WANT to know it if their beliefs have been disproved by scientific fact.
They don't WANT to know if their views even conform to the basic rules of logic.
And they DEFINITELY don't want to hear about it if their beliefs are insulting people, slighting them, or infringing upon their legal and/or human rights.
The movie in their head is all that matters to them..
@planetery I agree:) And I can't stand how they herald adoption, when some women feel just as much pain from putting the baby up for adoption as some women who get abortions.
@planetery Christians don't care? Says who? I am certainly open to people giving me their viewpoints. I then think on that, pray about it, and explain my viewpoint. There is a difference between insulting people etc and correcting them. Would you call it an insult if you told a thief that what they were doing was wrong? Some things are worth not being politically correct, and injustice needs to be addressed, and the fact is that people WILL get hurt along the way.
A woman shouldn't be forced to give her body up to a fetus when she was raped. The rights of the woman who was raped are being ignored.
While I'm glad you said the things you have at the end of the video regarding supporting them, that still doesn't mean it's okay to just illegalize abortion for them.
*Insert violinist arguments here* (go look it up if you don't understand it)
I understand the refutation of the argument, but I can only see how that applies in cases of the mother willingly having sex, where the consequences would be of her willing actions.
But for a rape victim, they didn't choose to have sex and motherhood wasn't their choice.
@cmadison93 If you understand the counter-arguments against the violinist argument then you should be able to see that it applies to all situations. If Thompson's argument applies in the context of rape, then no "product of rape" is safe even after he or she is born.
I do understand the violinist argument and the counter arguments quite well, thank you very much.
The counter argument only works to the extent of people who willingly have sex and get pregnant. The other 'counter-arguments' are not even worth mentioning as they have been thoroughly debunked, if you understand the counter-counter-arguments.
The arguments you have provided to (illegalize) abortion in cases of rape just don't stand to reason.
@cmadison93 Perhaps you could explain then, seeing as 1) Passively withdrawing life support is different than actively poisoning or dismembering someone, and 2) if an unborn "product of rape" is to be treated in the same way as a complete stranger, then presumably, one day after the child is born, the woman can walk away from it, neglect it, poison it, dismember it, etc. However, the law imposes a moral obligation on the woman to care for the child one day after he or she is born.
Women actually can walk away from the child after it is born, they can give it up for adoption. However, forcing them to go through nine months of pregnancy to reach that point in time isn't exactly validated by your video here.
There are ways to have an abortion is the sense of 'passively withdrawing life support'. Though these techniques are rarely used, they are still there.
P.S.: still waiting for you response to my message I sent you regarding animal rights, as well
@cmadison93 A woman cannot walk away from the child after it is born. "Walk away" suggests no obligation to ensure the well-being of the child. Arranging for adoption IS ensuring that the child is cared for. There are NO parallels between a woman's obligation to an unknown violinist and her obligation to the child once it is born.
There are NO methods of abortion that are "passive withdrawal".
Even if there weren't, we could surely create them. Point of yours in invalid on those grounds.
Actually, you can just 'walk away'. There are many states that have laws where you can walk into a hospital and give your child up, no questions asked. No obligation for the mother. I recommend further research.
@cmadison93 I'm sorry, there is no such thing as a "passive withdrawal" abortion. Perhaps you could explain what method of abortion you believe is passive withdrawal or how this could be created.
As I've said, walking into a hospital and allowing the staff to take charge of your baby so that it can be put up for adoption IS ensuring the well-being of your child. To make the violinist argument work, the mother must be able to give birth in a field and leave the baby to die.
@FyreFoxXP Or, for that matter, she must be able to leave her 2-year old "product of rape" in a hot car and go on a week's vacation. She must have no more moral obligation to care for that child than she does to care for an ailing violinist who is a complete stranger.
Lia, you are using fallacious methods of comparison.
"As I've said, walking into a hospital and allowing the staff to take charge of your baby so that it can be put up for adoption IS ensuring the well-being of your child."
No, Lia, it is not. There are abusive people in the medical field, as you have outlined in your euthanasia arguments. What makes you so sure they won't abuse the child? She is putting the child in the hands of another person and that is taking a risk.
Lia, leaving a 2 year-old "product of rape" (Don't know what you're trying to accomplish there) in a hot car is certainly not the same as passively removing the violinist from your care. The violinist (or unborn child) is physically attached to the mother, while a 2 year old is not.
But, continue on with the fallacious comparisons, I will continue to debunk them for as long as you'd like. :)
@DeityofStuff thank you.<3 i'd really prefer people to look from all angles before deciding what everyone should do, rather than blindly going in. it's ok to want to help everyone, but things just aren't as simple as people wish they were.
the right to your body as well. it's easy to see why she can't kill her rapist after the night of the rape b/c it might not be self defense anymore, but it still doesn't take into consideration that the rapist isn't part of her body, the fetus is. 2 people in one makes it tricky to call the shots for all women.
11. that's right. but does this mean the other 20% of the women will be denied of their desire to abort? and not getting into another example of 20% wanting to kill already born children, because this question is for the woman's right. also, to continue the 85% vs. 15%: let's now bring into this situation the rape factor. if 85% of rape victims are fine with carrying the child, does this make it ok to deny the 15% of rape victims who want to abort. so after you are raped you are denied...
before sex, does that still make it ok to prevent the 15%?
10. should the women in the 85% who don't believe in marriage before sex be considered part of the 15% of women? since it is the belief in whether or not "sex before marriage is ok" that is determining whether or not a law should be passed to prevent all women from having sex before marriage.
this being said, the amount of money and support needed for each woman is immense. if government or even charity provided help for these women who wouldn't be allowed to have abortions, would all of them be able to actually get the help they need? the government already has too many money problems, so how would adding in helping fund these women affect them? would charities be able to earn enough?
9. if 85% of women don't have sex before marriage and not all of them believe in marriage...
and many work places don't like this. many places will cut a worker's hours till they are forced to quit and finding a new job is a struggle.many places only view you as an inconvenience. though there are laws that prohibit employers discriminating against a woman for being pregnant and not employing her, work places still find ways to avoid employing them. and after everything is done and the baby is born, you give it away to possibly only grow up in an orphanage...
unborn child long enough till birth to be put up for adoption. people love to toss out the adoption card to everyone like its the easiest thing, but its far harder. they have to pay for regular check-ups, ultrasounds, extra food, clothes that will fit, and the final birthing bill on top of the bills they already have. and being a single pregnant mom means nobody but them working to try to pay for all this, which brings the next issue. pregnant working moms have to take lots of sick days off...
You are an intelligent, articulate young lady. Please continue this work and never back down. You are fighting for one of the most important causes in the world. God bless you.
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davebruno81 9 hours ago
Does anybody realize that, if you look up the word "fetus", you will find that it stems from the Latin word "foetus" which means "offspring" or "baby".
PookieV246 10 hours ago 4
Everyone knows our rights come from the government. And we know that the government will be heavily invested in healthcare now. And everybody knows certain people who are living hard knock lives, or are undesireable, must be liquidated and put out of everyone's misery. It is for the good, of course.
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davebruno81 15 hours ago
Lia, honey, you do not abort a baby who is ALREADY born. That is out of the mother's womb. So your arguements are tremendously flawed. Of course no woman would kill their baby that was already born and out of the womb. That would be murder. And no, the womans' rights trumps the fetus'. The fetus doesn't have any rights. if you know anything about law, a child, anyone under 18, their rights are limited. Even they don't have the same rights an adult would have
DoubleR2591 5 days ago
@DoubleR2591 If you are challenging the humanity of the unborn child, I would invite you to take a look at my other video called "Are the Unborn Humans?" And I agree, children's right are limited. But so are the rights of adults. For example, an adult may not kill someone else, because that infringes on the other person's rights. So, if the unborn child is a human, it also has rights, so a woman shouldn't be allowed to kill it. But also, as a side point, although many rights are limited based...
FyreFoxXP 2 days ago 2
@FyreFoxXP on age, the right to life is never limited. So my point is, why is it okay to kill an unborn child one minute before it's born, when it's obviously not okay to kill a newborn child?
FyreFoxXP 2 days ago 3
@FyreFoxXP Is this response for me? Or not?
DoubleR2591 2 days ago
@FyreFoxXP I have watched your videos before. The rights of adults are only limited to what the government says its limited to. The only time rights are limited based is when the government of that society is limited. The government essentially determines how many rights we have. And it is impossible to determine when life starts.
DoubleR2591 2 days ago
@DoubleR2591 Firstly, it's not impossible to determine when life starts, because science is very clear on when human life begins. As for the rest of you comment, you just proved my point. If you're comfortable with the government deciding who should get rights and who shouldn't, then that's your choice. But my point is that we shouldn't let the government decide who gets rights and who doesn't, because someone will always be discriminated against.
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davebruno81 15 hours ago
@DoubleR2591 so why is it ok to kill and unborn baby
davebruno81 15 hours ago
@davebruno81 No one can prove exactly when life begins.
DoubleR2591 15 hours ago
@DoubleR2591 conception.
davebruno81 15 hours ago
@davebruno81 That is merely your opinion
DoubleR2591 15 hours ago
@DoubleR2591 so let get back to my first question why is it ok to kill an unborn baby
davebruno81 14 hours ago
@davebruno81 The "baby" hasn't even started devoloping at conception, so it's hardly a baby or unborn baby, whatever you wanna call it. If you can prove when the fetus turns into a human, then at that point it is wrong
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@DoubleR2591 the people have sex are human so that make the ball of flesh or what ever you think it is before its born a human as well
davebruno81 9 hours ago
@DoubleR2591 you are missing the point of the illustration entirely AND the limited rights of anyone under eighteen do not include "we can toy with your life whenever we want til you are eighteen." You are sick
jfrazier4him23 13 hours ago
@jfrazier4him23 What is the point of the illustration? To prove abortion is wrong, yes? No, but just because you are a human, doesn't mean you have unlimited rights to do anything you want. Your rights are granted to you by the government who rules over a society.
DoubleR2591 4 hours ago
@DoubleR2591 The point of the illustration is to show that you wouldnt kill a HUMAN that has been born, it is illegal. She is showing that the baby, even unborn, is a HUMAN that has a certain amount of rights. Those rights do not include the government or ANYONE to kill you for no reason, especially because they cannot talk or plead. That is the mass-murder problem that you people believe in!
jfrazier4him23 2 hours ago
@jfrazier4him23 Rights? In regards to what? Philiosphically speaking? Morally? At the moment of concpetion they sure do not have any legal rights.
DoubleR2591 1 hour ago
@DoubleR2591 They do not have legal right because YOU say they do not and in turn, the government says they do not. BUT if a new born baby is left to die then the parents get in huge trouble! There is no difference between the new born and an unborn in any stage. THAT IS LOGIC AND RATIONAL THINKING.
jfrazier4him23 1 hour ago
@jfrazier4him23 Have a nice day!
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DoubleR2591 5 days ago
Lia is SOOOO smart!!!
ilikecats40111 1 week ago
heres another scenario:
a 15 year old is raped and becomes pregnant. she doesn't want a baby because she has no one that could look after/help look after it and she's in no position to look after it herself. she wouldn't want a baby even if she was in a position to look after. she has important exams coming up which will determine her future. sadly it's illegal to abort so her life is ruined for the sake of her unborn child who has a rubbish life anyway because of it's poor upbringing.
ilovebeinghip 2 weeks ago
@ilovebeinghip Adoption is always an option. Why kill for convenience?
hannahjamesstudio 15 hours ago
You shouldn't give an example that is specifically invented to prove your point. You are very well spoken, but your ideas are all flawed and you aren't old enough to understand anything about life yet, unless you have been raped or had an abortion at your young age in which case you can make your points all you want.
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myZeekrewards 3 weeks ago
Many women who get raped, especially if its incest, don't have the money or family support to fall back on. Sadly, politicians that want a full ban on abortion are the politicians who also don't want any social programs for women in that situation.
therosiesoul 3 weeks ago
fantastic video,i am proud of her,l if such a young person can have such a wise, logical understanding of the topic of abortion, it is shameful to many adults that have not been able to get to the same conclusion, i am sure anyone who listen to this video will have a better understanding of the topic, and will have all the logical and factual reason to reconsider their view on abortion, and be more sympathetic about always choosing life. great job
funkeiromiami 1 month ago 7
impressive video, this is one of the best most professional, logical and intelligent videos i have seen
funkeiromiami 1 month ago
leave people rights alone. honey, I know this is a passionate part of your life, but growing up in a horrible neighbor hood which most of these women do is hard. sure it's their responsibility but not all abortion is senseless murder. a baby should grow up on the streets because of moral issues. they shouldn't have to grow up in a place where being hurt or mugged may end up dead anyways. and your statistics on abortion are world wide so your making it seem like every woman gets an abortion and
karentheawesomesauce 1 month ago
You go, Lia. Don't stop doing what you do.
CassidySaysSo 1 month ago
The truth is these pro life people only care about a baby BEFORE its born...and couldnt care less about it after birth. Thats just wrong...do you know what its like living in foster care?? I dont think so, go back to your plush life and leave peoples rights alone!
TheJdecka 2 months ago
How about you stop making these stupid biased videos and let people make their own fucking decisions. You are a kid and shouldn't even fathem the thought of these concepts. You have obviously been tought certain "ideas" by your guardians and are influenced by there speech. Most of what you are saying is bullshit anyways so how about you just let people do what they want to do!
santaPOOPEDonU 2 months ago 3
Honestly, I feel like you can't just ignore the rights of the women just because of a rape-produced fetus. And when you were talking about the scenarios, asking us, "Would it be okay to kill the baby after it was born?" Well duh, no. It's a HUMAN by that point. A fetus is NOT a human. It does not have thoughts, feelings, or any rights. It's just a blob of cells for the most part of pregnancy. Ignoring the rape victim's opinions for a fetus is not right at all. The woman is a WOMAN, not a womb.
iRockWithMJ 2 months ago 2
Do aborted foetuses go straight to heaven, doesn't that mean that abortion is doing them a favour?
hlashflahflhsjfh 2 months ago
Mentioning rape in an argument against the legality of abortion is not intellectually dishonest since the false accusations of rape will reach astronomical proportions the very next day you only allow abortions in case of rape, ruining millions of lives.
This is just you being intellectually limited by religion.
Also, tell your mother that using her child to promote her imbecilic views is not that cute.
Women have the right to choose what will happen inside their bodies. Period.
WhereTheyAre 2 months ago
Are you people serious? Why shouldn't a child tell an adult what is wrong? Often children have a MUCH higher awareness of what is right and wrong than adults, as their morals and values are less tainted. Abusing a child is not cool. Also, I think your so-called "logic" is not logical at all. Purpose in your life does not mean that a person was meant to get raped. Rather, through your life you will contribute something valuable to the world through your personalilty and experiences. 180movie.com
chocoholicchic92 2 months ago
Third of all if a dog is as smart as a 2 year old, and we can legally put or dogs to sleep, why cant we let our unborn fetuses that dont have the mental capacity of even knowing they themselves exist be any different.
Dersabom 2 months ago
@Dersabom Because an animal is not the same as a baby?
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@thirdimpact i know and i dont mean to say that i guess i didnt get my point i was trying to make across well enough. what i ment was that if dogs with the mental ability to know that they (the dog) exists, that it can recognize a owner, that it functions as well as a 2 year old child and has a MUCH higher intelligence than that of a fetus, then why can we kill our dogs but not someone who doesnt know he/she exists.
Dersabom 1 month ago
@Dersabom First, I would say that at the very least, that might be an argument against euthanizing animals and not a justification for abortion. Second, a lack of self awareness doesn't change what is alive, i.e. a human being.
thirdimpact 1 month ago
@thirdimpact idk its my opinion versus yours at this point.
Dersabom 1 month ago
@Dersabom No. It's not matter of opinion. Liking a movie or not is a matter of opinion. Styles of clothing are a matter of opinion. Tastes in food, fashion, or where to spend a vacation are matters of opinion. Abortion is either removing a clump of tissue or the murder of an unborn baby in the most gruesome ways possible. There is no way around that. If it's is a human being, than it's murder. It's not just a matter of opinion.
thirdimpact 1 month ago
@thirdimpact HEY PAL. The only reason I said that was because I was getting bored of debating you and wanted to end on a peaceful note. But i guess not. We aren't debating (to deliberate; consider) because you won't consider anything I have to say. I have said one thing you just say something different. Unless you only engaged this conversation to try and piss somebody off, then you and I have been wasting our time trying to convince someone to believe something they obviously refuse to do.
Dersabom 1 month ago
What defines a person? It is not the genetic blueprints of what could become a functioning person (if it was then any girl that had her period or guy that didnt reproduce daily would be commiting a crime), it is the self awareness of the being in question.
Dersabom 2 months ago
Second of all why shouldnt abortion be allowed? The obvious answer any pro "life" person would say is because they are killing a person, which is bad. I agree killing a person is bad, but i do not view a fetus as a person.
Dersabom 2 months ago
Firt of all stop yelling at this girl for telling adults what to do, she is obiously reading her little "speech" from whatever her catholic mother or father has ripped from the internet, had shoved down their throats at church, or used their own creativity to write.
Dersabom 2 months ago
Who the HELL do you think you are, little girl, telling GROWN WOMEN what to do with their bodies?
dblubarry 3 months ago
What id I was ten years old? Huh? Am I supposed to keep my child? Be called a whore?
TheAntiVentus 3 months ago
Hypothetically speaking, what if a woman wants to donated an organ to her husband who would otherwise die, however, if she is to go through with this procedre, she will have to abort? Would you support giving her the right to go through with the abortion?
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Oh look the little kid is going to tell us all what's right! Shut up, you know nothing. You have not got the life skills and experience to lecture the world on this subject. You should be ashamed of yourself.
SvenTviking 3 months ago 3
@SvenTviking I agree with most of the stuff she says, and it's so basic that even pro-choicers might understand.
LoneRookRS1 3 months ago
@SvenTviking I'm not sure if you realize this, but you look far more immature than this "little kid" by coming onto the video, calling a girl names, while failing to even bring up a point in your defense.
LetThemEatCustard 2 months ago
@SvenTviking Stop being rude....
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@tgillspy2 Stop being such a son of a bitch.You are being a feminist....
tgillspy2 1 month ago
@SvenTviking She probably knows more than you on this topic.
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The unborn child is NOT the criminal in the case of rape. The CHILD is not a monster because he was conceived in this way. The CHILD has every right to life as every other human being.
EmilyBearfan 3 months ago
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@EmilyBearfan It's not your body, don't act like it's your decision.
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Ah, sex advice from someone who has never had sex and probably doesn't know HOW to have sex....sure, I'll take you seriously!
HRRyan2 4 months ago
Why would you have a heightened sense of respect for others when you just got raped, sexually assaulted, or become an incest victim. I would fucking hate everyone.
BradyBrendanAlex 5 months ago
Even though you can't hear them or see them at all, a person is a person no matter how small. -dr. Seuss
No matter who this baby is,
How he or she was conceived,
Or how she or he is going to be raised.
He or she is still a baby without a choice because the mother took the option away from them. & if I was raped I would rise above, give birth & put the baby up for adoption.
ChayyneeBieber 5 months ago
@ChayyneeBieber - And i'm sure your baby would thank you later in life, having been abandoned and thrown into a system that is under-funded, over-crowded and potentially dangerous. A lot of children never find a home. They are left onto the street to defend themselves once they come of age, with little to no support from the system or the people that claim to care for unborn babies.
Care? Really? You care so much that you just abandon them.
FreedomForOrcas 4 months ago 3
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Their child has a purpose or meaning? Logically, that means they/YOU think that they were MEANT TO GET RAPED, as that potential child would cease to exist without them being sexually assaulted. Child: "Hey...mom...who's my daddy?" Mother: "Well...honey...God, through his grace, allowed a depraved man, your FATHER, to attack me outside of a christian bookstore. He punched me repeatedly and savagely raped me as I cried in a pool of my own piss and blood. Isn't it GREAT to be alive?"
songdiver 5 months ago 11
@songdiver I see what you're saying, but I don't believe God makes the rape happens, he knows it will, but he doesn't MAKE it happen. All God does is tries to make the best out of the situation, he has a plan for the child regardless of how it came about. If that's with another parent through adoption then so be it. Man raped this woman, God comforted her and made the best of the situation and the child, if we choose to abort we're just getting in the way of God.
TheBravoD 1 month ago
@songdiver, i respect your opinion, consider this, my wife was born from a result of a rape, i am grateful her mom kept her, i would not change my wife, for any woman that had a normal conception or all the $ on earth, my wife is a live example of a human being. today my wife can encourage others that are thinking of abortion to take care of the baby or give for adoption, never kill. also my mother in law, the raped person is one of the most amazing woman, an example of courage & love for life
funkeiromiami 1 month ago
Oh and killing a fetus is not an intellectual view.
ohmyitsdanielle 5 months ago
@ohmyitsdanielle "killing a fetus is not an intellectual view"
Based on what? Your own biased opinion?
amanda2324 5 months ago
Yes it is a debate and she made a valid point but you can't seem to see that. YOU started this debate about something that people said a month ago! Maybe you should see a counselor because your the one who is name calling people over youtube and has made no valid point to this discussion, just rebuking other peoples views.
ohmyitsdanielle 5 months ago
@ohmyitsdanielle The time of the posting of the comment is irrelevant, and I did provide something. You are just blind to it because both of you refuse to answer my point. Pro-Choicers tend to talk big, but they never have anything to back it up, just whining, complaining, beating around the bush and putting the focus somewhere else, and just plain non-debating. If she is still having issues FIFTEEN YEARS after it occurred, then she needs professional help. These comments are not the place.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 By the way it's not good to debate using Ad-Hominems like "If she is still having issues FIFTEEN YEARS after it occurred, then she needs professional help." You have done nothing but attacked me. I do get counseling, but counseling is a luxury that people can't always afford. It's not that I'm not over it, but I'm standing up for myself and not letting the experience I went through be trivialized in other people's minds so that people take rape and incest seriously.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic I have not attacked you at all. I have said that if you have problems, you need help. You've spent all this time crying how no Pro-Life person has helped you, now THIS Pro-Life person is pointing out that you need help and providing the only help I can (pointing out that you need help), and what do you do? Complain. Whine. Accuse me of attacking you. And I don't trivialize it, and to assume that I do is a false assumption on your part.
amanda2324 5 months ago
You keep talking about "choices" but you want to take away a choice/ Right to have an abortion. hypocritical statements. Also you're almost as bad as west burrow baptists.
bitchlisten 5 months ago 2
When u were younger u were cuter than u r now...
vnmgyn 6 months ago
OH and PLEASE GET YOUR EYEBROWS DONE!!!
ohmyitsdanielle 6 months ago
have you been raped? No
have you had an abortion? No
have you even been pregnant? No
then please don't give your opinion on something you have not gone through!
ohmyitsdanielle 6 months ago
@ohmyitsdanielle That is a logical fallacious argument, not to mention an extremely stupid one. I've not been through war, and none of my relatives have been murdered. Does that mean I can't have an opinion that these things are terrible and wrong? No. Please come up with a better argument.
amanda2324 5 months ago
Hey Lia, I could care less if only 1% of Abortions are hard cases including Rape, Incest and Life of the Mother in danger. I was an incest victim at 12 Lia, luckily I hadn't hit puberty, so I wouldn't have had to deal with such a tough decision of either giving the baby up for adoption, raising it(wouldn't have happened) or an abortion.
Please don't dehumanize me or other incest and rape victims to give a fetus special rights. That's why I'm not Pro-Human Fetus Life.
breemystic 6 months ago 8
@breemystic Rape is tragic. But rape does not justify the murder of an innocent.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 Yeah, yeah I know. In fact rape isn't a bad thing at all. Considering the person who molested me at 12 years old, only got counseling for 3 sessions and I got called a pathological liar. Good thing I was Pre-Pubescent, otherwise, on top of being vilified and being called a pathological liar I would have to carry the pregnancy to term at 12 years old. And why? Because I'm not a person to you or any Pro-Human Fetus Lifer. You know I wish I was in Utero, maybe you would care more then.
breemystic 5 months ago
@amanda2324 Yeah, yeah I know. In fact rape isn't a bad thing at all. Considering the person who molested me at 12 years old, only got counseling for 3 sessions and I got called a pathological liar. Good thing I was Pre-Pubescent, otherwise, on top of being vilified and being called a pathological liar I would have to carry the pregnancy to term at 12 years old. And why? Because I'm not a person to you or any Pro-Human Fetus Lifer. You know I wish I was in Utero, maybe you would care more then.
breemystic 5 months ago
@amanda2324 You know where were you Pro-Lifers, when my parents didn 't take me to the doctor annually or didn't take me to dentist? Where were you guys when I had nothing to eat and despite calling no one would help me with food. Where were you people when my step-dad was abusive and I needed to move out, but couldn't' find a decent job to do so. So my right to Life was in jeopardy.
I bet the only time you would have cared about me at all was if my mom was about to abort me at a clinic.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Please stop making assumptions; not only does it make you look stupid, but childish. It is you who is dehumanizing me, claiming all of these false assumptions about me and going off on an immature tangent. You will not guilt trip me by playing the rape card. Rape is one thing, murder is another, neither crime justifies doing one or the other to an innocent. If you cannot address this argument, then we are not really debating and I should not waste my time on you.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@breemystic I agree 100%!!!!
ohmyitsdanielle 5 months ago
@amanda2324 And I love how no Pro-Human Fetus Lifer ever tells me how sorry they are about what I went through at 12 years old. I love how I'm dehumanized and how what I went through is talked about in generalized statements like "Rape is tragic." If you want to get Pro-Choice, or as you call us Pro-Abortion when I do work to get the abortion rate down through the Prevention First Act, incest and rape victims on your side, you need to start treating us like Persons and show empathy to us.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic I was sexually abused at age 8. I know what it's like, but I'm beyond giving anyone out right pity. Stop demanding that I some how owe you something for what you went through. You're using it as a tool, and therefore, I give you no sympathy. Yes, rape is tragic, I know. But it still doesn't justify murdering an innocent, no matter how you look at it. So, you should do just as I have done despite the abuse - grow up and move on. If you haven't yet, you should see a counselor.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 She's asking for empathy not pity. How can you care about murder if you can't even give someone simple empathy. She doesn't sound childish she sounds like a person thats been hurt and feels like people only care about abortion not the child's well being after they have been born. You just sound evil because although you care about an unborn fetus it doesn't seem like you have the ability to give simple empathy to a human being.
ohmyitsdanielle 5 months ago
@ohmyitsdanielle And you sound like a child, especially immature for calling me evil when you have no proof of such, only biased, immature assumptions. If she is so hurt, she should be at a counselors office receiving professional help, not crying about it on Youtube. I don't show a lot of empathy, sympathy, or pity for those who aren't helping themselves. And she is in fact playing the guilt card, but you are to biased to see this. This is a debate, not a charity event or counselors office.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@ohmyitsdanielle And again, as I said to her, I don't owe her anything. I could give it to her were we to meet in person, but 1. we are debating, thus this is no place for putting the focus on someone's hurt feelings, but rather, trying to show whose side holds more merit, 2. a counselor would be better for that, and 3. who is to say that she isn't lying? She could spout off anything she wants on Youtube, that doesn't mean it's true. Again, if she STILL has hurt feelings, a counselor is needed.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 "3. who is to say that she isn't lying?" This is where you called me a liar by saying "Who is to say she isn't lying?" You haven't added anything to the debate either. I wasn't making assumptions about you except for the fact that had I been able to get pregnant and did get pregnant, which I didn't and couldn't, thank Goodness I didn't, you would have wanted me to carry to term and make the heart breaking decision of giving the baby up for adoption which I would have regretted.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic I did not call you a liar, but I DID say that it's a possibility. Please don't twist my words to mean something they don't. Furthermore, I wouldn't have known whether or not you had gotten pregnant - I was like two years older when you were raped. But of course I would want you to - better than murdering the child.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 The 2nd post and parts of the 1st post were all true story. But then again in your words "Who is to say that she isn't lying?"
I was vilified as a pathological liar and my parents insisted that I asked my brother to have sex with me when he was the sexually active one not me. Nobody made sure my parents took me to the doctor or dentist visits. I was denied help from Pro-Life food pantries and the Government because I on my minimum wage "made too much."
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Food pantries and the government can only help so many people - my family has eight kids, and we have been denied help as well, even though dad has been laid off on numerous occasions. But I've not let that make me bitter; I've grown up, moved on, decided it's not worth worrying about.
amanda2324 5 months ago
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breemystic 5 months ago
@amanda2324 And lastly, until I moved in with my spouse, I did have to live with my step-dad who was abusive to my mom and I, because I couldn't find a decent job. Nobody that was Pro-Life cared. I have 2 Crisis Pregnancy Centers in my city, a county Right To Life chapter, numerous Christian churches and yet nobody who was Pro-Life helped. That's not a reflection on you. I didn't say you did that. I was just making a general statement and I am getting counseling thank you very much.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Well, good that you're getting counseling. Then I don't see why you're still spewing it over a Youtube page. All you're doing is pointing out that many Pro-Life people appear to be hypocritical, but you have in no way addressed what I said in my original post, which was rape does not justify the murder of an innocent.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 "but you have in no way addressed what I said in my original post, which was rape does not justify the murder of an innocent."
I have addressed this, I spent 5 posts addressing this earlier. So I will summarize it. Murder is the unlawful killing of a person. A fetus especially a non-viable fetus is not a person yet. We don't count feti as dependents on the census or on tax returns. They are not persons. And even if they are, they have no right to a woman's uterus.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic ...right. Okay. It is their -right- because they didn't choose to be there. It just happened. Okay, your arguments are starting to sound very illogical. A human is a person. Again, you're twisting the definitions to fit your own view. Dependency, level of dependency, or the dependency on one or more people do NOT some how make it a person or not a person.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 There is killing that we condone. Do you think War is murder? We go over to other countries because a few people in that country are crazy and need help and kill civilians, like 1,000,000 Iraq citizens, which is why military members have PTSD because they feel like they have committed murder. There are police that kill people that they suspect to be guilty research that. Troy Davis in Georgia is about to die on September 21st, when he's innocent.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic We're discussing murder, which is the unlawful killing of an innocent, not killing, which is the killing of a person under ACCEPTABLE conditions. Please stay on topic.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 So killing someone by the death penalty that could be innocent like Troy Davis, a policemen killing someone that could be innocent, killing 1,000,000 innocent iraq citizens is acceptable? Thank you for proving my point that there are acceptable times when people kill innocent people abortion is one of them.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Okay, you're immature. I did not say that. I told you to stay on topic and quit putting it somewhere else. Please be mature and stop going off on a tangent on something that we're not talking about. You are talking about death penalty being put on someone who is -possibly- innocent, which is not the same case here, because ALL human unborn babies, and babies, are without a doubt innocent.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 Yes, please continue with the ad-hominems, by calling me immature. I have called you nothing and am trying to debate with you with some civility. So you are for some cases where born people who are possibly innocent can be killed, just not the unborn. What makes the unborn more valuable than an innocent killed by the police, the death penalty like the troy davis case, or citizens that we kill in other countries. I thought a human was a human and you shouldn't kill an innocent.
breemystic 5 months ago
@ohmyitsdanielle Exactly. I'm glad you get my whole point. Just one more reason why I am not on the Pro-Life side any longer.
breemystic 5 months ago
@ohmyitsdanielle Exactly:) I'm not going to waste my time on her. And I love how she calls me a liar. Exactly why I turned from the Pro-Life side after being on it for 14 years.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Please point out where I called you a liar.
And also please point out where you "intelligent Pro-Choicers" answered my statement.
Neither of you have added anything to this but trying to force the view somewhere else other than where it is supposed to be. Are all Pro-Choicers no good at debating? Really? Few Pro-Choicers can actually stay on topic, but would rather go off on an emotional tangent or put focus on somewhere other than the task at hand.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 And you just trying to force the view onto the unborn human that is 100% dependent on a woman's body until viability. And I take the position of a woman is entitled to her constitutional right to freedom of religion, right to liberty and right to not have anyone use her body against her will. I don't have to donate my blood or bone marrow to someone if I don't want to.
If I passed on the genes for hemophilia to a child, I wouldn't have to give the child blood once it's born.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic The baby is not part of the woman's body - the woman's body treats it as an invader.
Furthermore, I don't CARE what religion anyone is in, murder is wrong, period. Also, who is using the woman's body against her will in the case of an abortion? No one. Pregnancy is a natural process, therefore it is a logical fallacy to say that anyone is forcing you to do that. So your analogy is incorrect. Furthermore, a baby is a baby - murdering a baby is wrong.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 But before the baby is born, you want me and other women who are not you, if you are a woman, to be forced to donate our blood, our kidneys, our body at great risk of death, infertility and major bodily impairments. Yet once the baby is born, I do agree with late term abortion bans as long as the woman's life is kept in mind too, they will never ever again be able to say sue for the rights to a person's blood or bone marrow or organs.
So there you go, there's where I stand.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Again, you're making assumptions. I do not -want- to -force- you to do that thing, but as you fail to realize is that I can't force you to be pregnant. Pregnancy, again, is a NATURAL process. Forcing you to give up a kidney, that is actual force, because it is unnatural. But no second or third party has anything to do with the process of pregnancy, it JUST. HAPPENS. Therefore, no force is involved at all.
amanda2324 5 months ago
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@amanda2324 "I do not -want- to -force- you to do that thing, but as you fail to realize is that I can't force you to be pregnant."
That's what you want to do, you want to force woman who aren't you, to carry to term or stay pregnant until they give birth. True or False on that? You may not have had a part on making the woman pregnant, but you want to tell other women they have to carry to term again true or false?
breemystic 5 months ago
@amanda2324, I know you're not going to agree with me and I'm not going to agree with you, no matter how much you tell me that I can't debate, or I'm a stupid Pro-Choicer, or that I need help. I don't tend to change my view based on someone belittling me. Have a Good day.
breemystic 5 months ago
@amanda2324 And what statement, the statement of "Rape is tragic. But rape does not justify the murder of an innocent."
Rape is tragic. But abortion not murder, Murder is the unlawful killing of a person. The unborn human is a human, what else could it be a plant? But it's not a person yet, to be a person it has to at least be viable. It can't be 100% physically dependent on ONE Person's body to live. Once born, no one has a right to someone's organs or blood even if they would die.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Human and person are one and the same. To say differently is both scientifically and logically false. You are killing a person, nothing you claim can change this fact. So what if it is dependent on a person? My Aspergers brother, eight years old, is dependent upon my mom. If something were to happen to her, he would lose it. People are dependent upon doctors, some on machines, insulin, etc, that are provided by second or third parties to keep them alive.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 It's not a person, it's a human not a person. A person isn't physically dependent on someone else, like an unviable human fetus is. I'm sorry to hear about your brother with Aspergers, but I'm sure that there are people with Aspergers whose mom's are dead or whose mom's have given them up for adoption, because your brother doesn't require being in your mom's uterus to live. Same thing with my husband who's diabetic, he takes insulin but isn't in his mother's uterus right now.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Well, by that logic, we can put the fetus into ANY woman's body and it would still live, so no, it's not JUST dependent upon the mother. Furthermore, location has nothing to do with it. Inside the body or out, a human is still a human, and a human is a person. You're twisting the definitions to fit your own opinion when it doesn't work that way.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 I agree a human is a human. But an unborn isn't necessarily a person, and even if it is, it doesn't have the right to someone else's body without their consent. Why should a woman lose her 1st, 13th and 14th amendment rights upon getting pregnant however that occurs? And why should a fetus be able to take someone's 1st, 13th and 14th amendment rights, but once it's born, isn't able to take someone's constitutional rights to their body?
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic I'm sorry, but no one can give CONSENT to a NATURAL PROCESS. Again, the conclusion of your argument is unsound. Pregnancy HAPPENS, the baby being conceived HAPPENS, therefore there is no FORCE involved. The baby isn't doing ANYTHING other than what NATURE REQUIRES of it. Therefore, it is not taking, stealing, or forcing the woman to "lose her rights" - nature is simply taking its course.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 I have asked many Pro-Life people in the past the question of why a unborn human should get the right to use the mother's organs and blood against her will, yet once that unborn human is born, that person will never have that right again. It's a special right and it's a right that no born person has. And I don't get why an unborn human should have that special right? And No Prolifer has given me an answer without doing Ad-Hominems or back to the It's a Life argument.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic It's not a RIGHT, it JUST HAPPENS. It's natural. If you want to whine and complain about what NATURE (or God) had the process of pregnancy require, then go to them, not me. But that still doesn't change the fact that murdering an unborn baby is wrong. Saying that it's okay to murder them just because their dependent - and NATURALLY that way, I might add - is, as far as I can see, wrong.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 just clarifying its not a baby its a fetus....
ohmyitsdanielle 5 months ago
@ohmyitsdanielle It is a baby. You cannot prove that it isn't. Dr. Jerome Lejeune, the Father of Modern Genetics who found the cause of Down Syndrome, and countless other scientists and doctors alike testify to this. "Fetus" just refers to the specific stage of development, as infant is used for a young, born baby and toddler for small children, and so on and so forth.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 And for that matter a baby is someone that is born while a fetus is someone that is not born. You can't twist definitions to make your case either.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Actually, no, you are again wrong. Why should it be called fetus while in the womb, but a baby when out? Is there something magical that happens between the eight inch journey from womb to doctors hands, or are you being biased again?
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 Oh okay, so if I don't agree with you, then you get to use ad-hominems because I don't agree with you.
A human is always a human, but a person must be biologically independent not relying on one person's body. In the case of an Embryo there is a huge difference between an embryo and a Born Baby. You are also trying to twist terms by calling a non viable fetus or embryo a baby. Again, I'm for late term abortion bans.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Prove where it says that a person is not biologically dependent on a person's body. Again, you're trying to say nature and natural processes are somehow unjust. Human is a person, person is a human. Again, you provide no scientific evidence to support you, only your opinion.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 There's probably nothing that I can say for you to agree with me and that's fine, and there's nothing you can say to me that would make me agree with you. Have a good day. Is that civil enough?
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic Perhaps so.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 In fact 41 states have banned late term abortions, but you have to agree that there is a big difference between a 20+ week old fetus or newborn in some cases, and an 8 week embryo. Sex is not a consent to pregnancy.
breemystic 5 months ago
@breemystic So what? There are still newborn babies being murdered by Pro-Choice doctors because the mothers want the babies dead. And the only difference between the two is stage of development. There is a huge difference between an infant and an adult. Your comparison is incorrect. Furthermore, sex may not be a consent to pregnancy, but girl, NATURE. Doesn't. Care. whether you are consenting to a NATURAL process or not. Again, it just happens.
amanda2324 5 months ago
@amanda2324 "So what? There are still newborn babies being murdered by Pro-Choice doctors because the mothers want the babies dead. And the only difference between the two is stage of development."
And as I've stated I'm not for that only about 25% of Pro-Choicers are and I'm not one of them. I'm one of the 65% in the recent gallup poll that believes 1st trimester abortions should be illegal. But of course you're going to bring up late term abortions that account for 1.5% of all abortions.
breemystic 5 months ago
@ohmyitsdanielle You do realise that the word fetus translates to baby?
chocoholicchic92 2 months ago
@breemystic Perfect, unassailable comment, but the sad truth is that Christians simply don't care.
They don't WANT to know it if their beliefs have been disproved by scientific fact.
They don't WANT to know if their views even conform to the basic rules of logic.
And they DEFINITELY don't want to hear about it if their beliefs are insulting people, slighting them, or infringing upon their legal and/or human rights.
The movie in their head is all that matters to them..
planetery 4 months ago
@planetery I agree:) And I can't stand how they herald adoption, when some women feel just as much pain from putting the baby up for adoption as some women who get abortions.
breemystic 4 months ago
@planetery Christians don't care? Says who? I am certainly open to people giving me their viewpoints. I then think on that, pray about it, and explain my viewpoint. There is a difference between insulting people etc and correcting them. Would you call it an insult if you told a thief that what they were doing was wrong? Some things are worth not being politically correct, and injustice needs to be addressed, and the fact is that people WILL get hurt along the way.
chocoholicchic92 2 months ago
A woman shouldn't be forced to give her body up to a fetus when she was raped. The rights of the woman who was raped are being ignored.
While I'm glad you said the things you have at the end of the video regarding supporting them, that still doesn't mean it's okay to just illegalize abortion for them.
cmadison93 7 months ago
*Insert violinist arguments here* (go look it up if you don't understand it)
I understand the refutation of the argument, but I can only see how that applies in cases of the mother willingly having sex, where the consequences would be of her willing actions.
But for a rape victim, they didn't choose to have sex and motherhood wasn't their choice.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@cmadison93 If you understand the counter-arguments against the violinist argument then you should be able to see that it applies to all situations. If Thompson's argument applies in the context of rape, then no "product of rape" is safe even after he or she is born.
FyreFoxXP 7 months ago
@FyreFoxXP
I do understand the violinist argument and the counter arguments quite well, thank you very much.
The counter argument only works to the extent of people who willingly have sex and get pregnant. The other 'counter-arguments' are not even worth mentioning as they have been thoroughly debunked, if you understand the counter-counter-arguments.
The arguments you have provided to (illegalize) abortion in cases of rape just don't stand to reason.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@cmadison93 Perhaps you could explain then, seeing as 1) Passively withdrawing life support is different than actively poisoning or dismembering someone, and 2) if an unborn "product of rape" is to be treated in the same way as a complete stranger, then presumably, one day after the child is born, the woman can walk away from it, neglect it, poison it, dismember it, etc. However, the law imposes a moral obligation on the woman to care for the child one day after he or she is born.
FyreFoxXP 7 months ago 2
@FyreFoxXP
Women actually can walk away from the child after it is born, they can give it up for adoption. However, forcing them to go through nine months of pregnancy to reach that point in time isn't exactly validated by your video here.
There are ways to have an abortion is the sense of 'passively withdrawing life support'. Though these techniques are rarely used, they are still there.
P.S.: still waiting for you response to my message I sent you regarding animal rights, as well
cmadison93 7 months ago
@cmadison93 A woman cannot walk away from the child after it is born. "Walk away" suggests no obligation to ensure the well-being of the child. Arranging for adoption IS ensuring that the child is cared for. There are NO parallels between a woman's obligation to an unknown violinist and her obligation to the child once it is born.
There are NO methods of abortion that are "passive withdrawal".
FyreFoxXP 7 months ago
@FyreFoxXP
There are 'passive withdrawal' methods, Lia.
Even if there weren't, we could surely create them. Point of yours in invalid on those grounds.
Actually, you can just 'walk away'. There are many states that have laws where you can walk into a hospital and give your child up, no questions asked. No obligation for the mother. I recommend further research.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@cmadison93 I'm sorry, there is no such thing as a "passive withdrawal" abortion. Perhaps you could explain what method of abortion you believe is passive withdrawal or how this could be created.
As I've said, walking into a hospital and allowing the staff to take charge of your baby so that it can be put up for adoption IS ensuring the well-being of your child. To make the violinist argument work, the mother must be able to give birth in a field and leave the baby to die.
FyreFoxXP 7 months ago
@FyreFoxXP Or, for that matter, she must be able to leave her 2-year old "product of rape" in a hot car and go on a week's vacation. She must have no more moral obligation to care for that child than she does to care for an ailing violinist who is a complete stranger.
FyreFoxXP 7 months ago
@FyreFoxXP
Lia, you are using fallacious methods of comparison.
"As I've said, walking into a hospital and allowing the staff to take charge of your baby so that it can be put up for adoption IS ensuring the well-being of your child."
No, Lia, it is not. There are abusive people in the medical field, as you have outlined in your euthanasia arguments. What makes you so sure they won't abuse the child? She is putting the child in the hands of another person and that is taking a risk.
cmadison93 7 months ago 7
@FyreFoxXP
Lia, leaving a 2 year-old "product of rape" (Don't know what you're trying to accomplish there) in a hot car is certainly not the same as passively removing the violinist from your care. The violinist (or unborn child) is physically attached to the mother, while a 2 year old is not.
But, continue on with the fallacious comparisons, I will continue to debunk them for as long as you'd like. :)
cmadison93 7 months ago
@FyreFoxXP
There is such a thing as 'passive withdrawal', Lia.
One can simply cut and tie off the blood/nutrient flow that would go to the unborn child. That is not 'actively' killing the child, Lia.
One can simply remove the uterus from the woman's body.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@DeityofStuff
True.
Education is more effective than legislation.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@DeityofStuff thank you.<3 i'd really prefer people to look from all angles before deciding what everyone should do, rather than blindly going in. it's ok to want to help everyone, but things just aren't as simple as people wish they were.
meemeekoeX 7 months ago
i think that's it^^
meemeekoeX 7 months ago
the right to your body as well. it's easy to see why she can't kill her rapist after the night of the rape b/c it might not be self defense anymore, but it still doesn't take into consideration that the rapist isn't part of her body, the fetus is. 2 people in one makes it tricky to call the shots for all women.
meemeekoeX 7 months ago
11. that's right. but does this mean the other 20% of the women will be denied of their desire to abort? and not getting into another example of 20% wanting to kill already born children, because this question is for the woman's right. also, to continue the 85% vs. 15%: let's now bring into this situation the rape factor. if 85% of rape victims are fine with carrying the child, does this make it ok to deny the 15% of rape victims who want to abort. so after you are raped you are denied...
meemeekoeX 7 months ago
before sex, does that still make it ok to prevent the 15%?
10. should the women in the 85% who don't believe in marriage before sex be considered part of the 15% of women? since it is the belief in whether or not "sex before marriage is ok" that is determining whether or not a law should be passed to prevent all women from having sex before marriage.
meemeekoeX 7 months ago
this being said, the amount of money and support needed for each woman is immense. if government or even charity provided help for these women who wouldn't be allowed to have abortions, would all of them be able to actually get the help they need? the government already has too many money problems, so how would adding in helping fund these women affect them? would charities be able to earn enough?
9. if 85% of women don't have sex before marriage and not all of them believe in marriage...
meemeekoeX 7 months ago
and many work places don't like this. many places will cut a worker's hours till they are forced to quit and finding a new job is a struggle.many places only view you as an inconvenience. though there are laws that prohibit employers discriminating against a woman for being pregnant and not employing her, work places still find ways to avoid employing them. and after everything is done and the baby is born, you give it away to possibly only grow up in an orphanage...
meemeekoeX 7 months ago
unborn child long enough till birth to be put up for adoption. people love to toss out the adoption card to everyone like its the easiest thing, but its far harder. they have to pay for regular check-ups, ultrasounds, extra food, clothes that will fit, and the final birthing bill on top of the bills they already have. and being a single pregnant mom means nobody but them working to try to pay for all this, which brings the next issue. pregnant working moms have to take lots of sick days off...
meemeekoeX 7 months ago