bjj vs. judo in bjj match Ken Primola vs. Giedrius Karavackas

[campagnolo10x15]

Hello, Ken.

Your vids always help me a lot.

Would you please upload your instruction of foot-lock escape

that you do from 3:40, or you have already done so?

Looking forward to your reply.

[AmericanFenian]

@kenprimo

Was that the NAGA up in the burbs of Chicago last year?

[AmericanFenian]

@kenprimo

Never mind I see it's not the one last year up by Chicago

[markusjudo]

Good match , No throws, no pins, no submissions. Judoka Giedrius was actually better.

[markusjudo]

No throws, no pins, no submissions. Judoka Giedrius was actually better.

[dbzboxer]

for real life applications i belive judo would be better....

[pcjudosambo]

Ken: Good match. How would you rate this Judokas ne-waza (ground grappling)? As a BJJ black belt would can you rate him form 0-10 (10 being best)? Also, have you ever given any thought of competing in Judo? Thanks.

[MandaNS93]

0:33 Does that BJJ guy is trying to do Omoplata? :)

[BigRobs49]

@MandaNS93 yes but he gets his arm straightened out so ken has to bail

[XBlazingDemonX]

woah....this match got intense! AWESOME!

[kingtwenty20]

i like how they dont stop the match when going on other mat...

[birmzd]

you agree to having your hands handcuffed first LOL, + in england quite a trip away...love your vids

[birmzd]

ken i am white belt in bjj, looking at this i feel i could defeat you in a grappling submission contest if both your hands were handcuffed :)

[kenprimo]

@birmzd 27-A trolley square, wilmington, de 19806

[kingtwenty20]

@kenprimo it was a joke lol.... 

[eamesandrew]

@kenprimo You really think you could beat him if both of YOUR hands were hand cuffed? Impressive.

[Arcturistheballer]

@birmzd he would probably ezekiel you with the handcuff links.

[561sage]

@birmzd whats up, im thinking of joining an mma gym to learn the art of BJJ and im nervous. any advice and how far along are you?

[jtbullfitghter]

@561sage i'd recommend judo personally...in mma its all about whether or not someone wants to see you fight, and nothing is more pathetic then just jumping on you back like a lil bitch and pulling guard

[561sage]

@jtbullfitghter BJJ is more than that. its a very hard art to learn and if you see it like that than i bet you don't respect any art. i can't believe you do judo but don't respect BJJ.

[mrkitanai1]

@jtbullfitghter I agree. Dave Camarillo stated that people should start in judo first (vs. BJJ). He said that judo breeds toughness and aggressiveness. He said judo was, by far, the toughest sport he has ever done. There's a lot of pounding in judo. The throws and sweeps are brutal. 

[ulkord]

@birmzd your stupid he could choke you with his feet

[pcjudosambo]

pulling guard must be the biggest disaster to hit JiuJitsu. Try pulling guard on the treat ... you will get your face smashed before you even hit the floor ... and those BJJ players who jump - to guard ... absolutely NOT street effective. My personal opinion is that pulling guard should be banned from BJJ competitions forever! That's why Judo and Sambo do not allow pulling of guard. You can pull guard but only if you fail a throwing technique... and that's not even considered pulling guard. SAD!

[tsmansoor]

actually, judo was made up of ju jitsu techniques from many jujitsu schools (ryus).

in the earlier decades of judo, judo was pretty much a modified form of traditional jujitsu.

BJJ took on what judo WAS at that point, mostly traditional jujitsu techniques that kano carried on to judo.

however, judo and jujitsu/bjj have moved far apart from each other because of how judo evolved into mostly standup techniques. that's because of the intro of rules that eliminated MANY groundwork techniques.

[pcjudosambo]

@tsmansoor i agree because Judo is more street effective and is great against multiple opponents (eg. Throw first opponent, then go and take care of second). BJJ is not multiple-enemy effective simply because of lack of stand up techniques. You see, throwing an opponent who is larger than you on his back and then proceed into ground (if needed) is FAR more effective than pulling guard, which is done by a far majority of BJJ players these days. It's just my personal opinion.

[tsmansoor]

@pcjudosambo oh.. i wasn't going into the effectiveness of either art.

i was just pointing out some details about how the two changed and grew apart.

i myself don't have an opinion on which is more effective on the street.

also, some of ground technique joint manipulations from BJJ can be done from standing too, so that helps for the street.

ideally, it is excellent to cross train in both, but twice as expensive heh.

[pcjudosambo]

@tsmansoor yeah. I see your point. I personally see BJJ being a sub-style of Judo. They are apart yet they are so close together. Other than a few "sweeps" the rest of the techniques were derived from Judo but unfortunately today's Judo clubs do not practice them to some extent (except in Japan and Europe, they still do practice them ... Kosen Judo for example). One good thing I can say about BJJ is that it reintroduced most of the techniques forgotten by modern American Judokas.

[cmMoon]

@tsmansoor unless your intsructor is a black in judo and traditional jiu jitsu and a purple in Bjj

yea i got lucky

[jjrickroller]

i watched judoka hip throw someone let go halfway and threw them off the mat it was funny as hell

[goldchocobo3333]

WOW! They are both VERY good!

[jcobbie]

Yes, he is absolutely a judoka. His name is Giedrius K. and he is from Lithuanian. He is a tough competitor.

[sempinsenzai]

Ken, how do you know this guy is a Judoka? He dosn't move like a judoka at all, and he seems like hes at least been in a BJJ tournament before as his defence is ok...

I'm not surprised you got his back though, giving up the back is a tough habit to break for many Judo guys.

[kenprimo]

he was ranked on the european circuit, he is good trust me. that is the reason i pulled guard because i watched him, otherwise i would have had no problem standing. i usually do stand with judo blackbelts but i did not want to with this one simply based on strategy.

[WhiteOps13]

@kenprimo he would have beat you if you were standing, I know him and have trained with him, he is really good

[kenprimo]

@WhiteOps13 thats great, its called jiu-jitsu though. thx

[WhiteOps13]

@kenprimo it looks like a naga tournament, which is all forms of grappling inluding judo. Im not trying to insult you or anything, you could deffinately kick my ass

[ilanwatson]

how did he win i didnt c anything

[judopathoftruth]

JUDO JUDO JUDO!

[iamjoseph951]

i thought bjj was more grappling and judo focused more on flips and stuff

[SanSuMartialArts]

thats what most people think but all of the "bjj" basic ground work comes from judo

[swampertkid]

The two founders of bjj learned and based it off of judo, however bjj is not directly from judo

[kevoktin]

That guys leg lock attempt was weak.... but i guess thats an aspect thats ridiculously under stressed in most of the grappling arts except sambo....

[Jjin1Ak47]

transitions like a mother..

[kenprimo]

thanks

[moelicious416]

great under hooks! and sankaku garami attempt. people don't understand the difficulties involved in grappling. ignore these morons who talk sh%t and never grappled.

[enviious]

amen brother !

[slaphappyer]

I wonder if a bjj master would roll on his back as a take down in a streetfight? All of the best BJJ moves are and were judo moves first!

The only stuff new to BJJ is the spider guard and like that uses grips that are not allowed in judo.

Yes, the triangle choke and the kamura were judo moves first.

[kenprimo]

that is why it is bjj and not called streetfighting,. I wonder if he had a knife, etc. lol

[cinattra]

Triangle chokes and kimuras are submissions. Submissions are not beholden to only one discipline.

Judo does not teach setup of submissions to the degree that bjj does. Nor does judo teach the positioning and transitions that bjj does.

If you truly believe that bjj has only copied judo over the past century then you are totally mistaken.

[BlackShinobiShozoku]

@cinattra actually you're mistaken. You must live in America. Outside America influence. Judoka have great newaza skills. Watch the Kosen Judo players or the commercials for Judo in Japanese highschools/college's

[OVERCAPITALIZE]

@cinattra

The positioning is the same in judo. The steps to getting a sub, is different for sure.

[kaliedoscopesharinga]

the jiu jitsu guy was no good

[kenprimo]

that is why i won the tournament. lets see your footage please

[kaliedoscopesharinga]

it was a joke relax

[riptor11]

why did he win? nobody got submitted

[kenprimo]

called points

[yeee941]

Look at how he was trying to posture up,he was not on his ankles,he won on his toes and knees,thats a white belt mistake! sweep him and take Mount

[weeksy86]

BJJ definatley dominates on the ground but i find the takedowns weak...

[yeee941]

Funny,because BJJ doesnt have its own original takedowns,there from Catch Wrestling,Judo and Greco.

[Thurmdizzle]

That's why most donkeys pull guard. I study BJJ but i hate when an opponent pulls guard on me.

[lucubration808]

lol me too, its usually a smaller guy technique, they do that quarter guard shit into a sweep, maybe pull butterfly if theyre good enough, thats why i supplement with judo throws too its hard to pull guard from standing when you're getting thrown in the air lol.

[kenprimo]

bjj is based on the guard, lol

[weeksy86]

well they do a terrible job of teaching them then! i study Sumo, Freestyle and Sambo and i smash every BJJ guy i have fought in MMA and Sub-Grappling

[yeee941]

That just means your over all level of grappling is higher than the BJJ guys you fought,Usually the Level of MMA Grappling is not as high as going into a strictly BJJ Dojo and seeing them grapple. Because they lose Grappling time by learning strikes,as Im sure you know. Anyways man Nice,just keep working hard!

[ScopedOUT2]

its true, I used to be a BJJ nut, but then I found out that Judo was actually better.

[ScopedOUT2]

show us some vids then, please.

[foxxyjuan]

the guy on top lost becouse he could not pass the guard and had less submission attempts .

[mikey4u1984]

Who was the Judo guy? Also why did the guy with the striped pants win if he was on the bottom the whole time or is it because he had the guard secured?

[stonednsleepy]

the guy on the bottom won because he took the other guys back. usually 4 points.

[Izisin]

The guy with the black hair lost. He was pinned at least ten times. just kidding

How the heck do you score a match like this?

[mercydoc]

Looked like a draw to me. I think the judoka did pretty good considering it was a BJJ tournament.

[kenprimo]

how was it a draw?

[mercydoc]

Neither person seemed to dominate the match. The BJJ guy kept him in guard most of the match. Good guard but doesn't score any points. The judoka looked like he had a good attempt at a heel hook, and the BJJ almost got a choke, but other than that it seemed like a standoff. Of course I don't know how they score in a BJJ tournament so that's where the problem lies. In judo I believe the score would have been 0:0. No throws, no pins, no submissions.

[moelicious416]

good fight. you have good transition skills. alot of moron here don't nderstand grappling skills and only bash without knowing the scoring and rules. the judoka had good skills too.

[kfresh2themax]

What happen is the proof that BJJ is bullshit. You cannot defend against a bigger opponent. Now Judo, you can. I have fault BJJ and have not lost yet. It's too fluid and sometimes you need to be more static and know your body to develop yourself better on the ground.

[allentate]

Royce Gracie.

That is all.

[Snoochy2006]

Shut up!

[cadillacboi420]

judo who???? just cuz you "fault" BJJ what ever that is proves nothing wow ignorance must be bliss *cough* whitebelt*cough*

what a joke royce gracie and the cracies have a legacy a LEGACY of Life times yes plural to defy your comment

[Snoochy2006]

LOL, hahaha. Are you for real. Have you seen Royce Gracie in the UFC or any of the Gracie's videos. You have no idea whats your talking about dude.

[Pinnaclefighter]

good match, im goin this year

[jacobduque]

awesome match. the brown must be close to getting his black belt if he keeps it up.

[dbln79]

Ken won on points...was the aggressor and had several close submission attempts.

[jcyprianus]

Someone pls tell me wat just happen??