Diamondback Ebike with 500w cyclone motor part 1

[dobrenony]

WANT



[MrMsrtube]

that's a real great bike,but for those people who cant spend there life savings on an e-bike ,about $200.00 to buy gas motor kit is the way to go ,see mine at my channel MrMsrtube you can get up to 150 mpg and go up to 40 mphcheck it out

[exaturbo]

@MrMsrtube

there's no arguing that the gas / petrol powered kits are cheaper.

however, they are a load noisier. the electric kits are almost silent.

the gas / petrol motor kits are also not legal in Australia, and in many others also.

the police here do pull people over and hand out fines for being unregistered , and unlicensed if the rider has no bike license.

those 2 fines work out to be about $1500 here in Australia.

by comparison, the electric bikes get almost zero attention

[dl7und]

@exaturbo Really? A few days ago I read that Australia has some weird law requiring motors on bicycles to be limited to 250W, otherwise the vehicle is considered a motorbike. I admit the average cop should have a hard time checking motor power, but still I wouldn't feel comfortable...

[exaturbo]

@dl7und

true, the limit for power here is a ridiculously low 200W (and that's peak !)

more like 130W continuous.

i was once told by a cop, that if you look like a push-bike, and are not riding like a dick,

that they mostly have better things to do than look at booking you.

i always follow all the road rules, and i wear my helmet plust the bike has lights for when i ride at night.

so im a long way down on their radar.

the only time i would be screwed, is if i caused an accident.

[luc59457]

@MrMsrtube (You pay for what you get) efficient electric or non efficient gas. My Batteries pay for themselves because they are so cheap, and gas vs electricity,there's a big difference in costs. I use to own a small gas scooter, I'd rather pay the extra few hundred (initially) for a much more appealing experience. Plus a lot of torque! Make it electric!

[sicariomexicano88]

Esa bicicleta esta chida

[456manny1]

I hope that you have a good lock.........

[exaturbo]

@456manny1

don't really need a lock for the ebikes.

the only places i leave them un attended is at a secure parking area at work, and in my locked garage.



[420xwaytoomanyx420]

hahahah, you own diamondback..ololol sorry

[monkeyface1969]

I'm just about to launch my ebike conversion business. With so many various kits out there finding the right one is all about trial and error. The brushless hub motor are good but too heavy. have you tried pedalling one with a flat battery? The key is making the total weight as low as possible. faster, longer range ,and very nibble,leave cars standing at traffic lights. However off road my my wheels just can't get enoough grip.. spins like a bitch.

[exaturbo]

@monkeyface1969

my new ebike is a hub motor.

but it's a geared one. so when i pedal, the motor doesn't have to turn.

it freewheels, so it;s no more difficult than pedaling a non powered bicycle.

there are videos of it up on youtube also.

[monkeyface1969]

I'm running 36v 20ah 750 watt geared hub motor and gngelectrics mid mount motor.

both running on the same controller and battery. i can switch from one motor to the other or both running same time.Would you believe i clocked 56 mph? and 67 miles range. it's all fitted on my specialized rock hopper sl 2012. 41 kg in total. once I'm 100% satisfy. it will be available for sale on our website and eBay. or we can convert your bike for you in London..

[exaturbo]

@monkeyface1969

sounds like a wicked machine.

[thisisaguy]

@monkeyface1969 "once I'm 100% satisfy. it will be available for sale on our website and eBay." What's the website and ebay site? What price point are you looking at?

[bank0fengland]

@monkeyface1969 your business is going to fail, your breaking the law

[bank0fengland]

@bank0fengland you are*

[ismokewead420]

by the looks of it, theres no freewheel between the cranks and the crank sprocket...is it fun holding up your feet all day, or do u just pedal mach 5 when your goin down the road at 60km/h?

[exaturbo]

@ismokewead420

the crank has a built in freewheel.

you can pedal if you want to input more power, but you don't have to pedal if you dont want to.

[ERICELM]

This is whats called beating the system I do the same I just dont have as many accessoiries but hopfully will soon. I have helmet cam vids if interested. peace.

[slackandswinging]

I predict that within 100 years, computers will be twice as powerful, 10,000 times larger, and so expensive  that only the five richest kings of Europe will own them.

[OldDirtySanchez]

If it could talk. It would say: "Please, please kill me!".

[itchyeye85]

This thing looks awsome! I just a 1999sorrento in perfect condition for $30 with all its original parts.

[Htown20XX]

I'm building a series hybrid lowrider it will not have a chain.

[TranceFur]

Why not just get a motorcycle?

[exaturbo]

@TranceFur

i answered this in the question just below yours.

motorcycle needs registration, insurance and ongoing running costs, and does not contribute to my fitness.

[ericknava86]

Too much shit going on on that bicycle, why not just get a motorcycle and add a GPS?

[exaturbo]

@ericknava86

because a motorcycle would need to be registered, and insured and have ongoing running and maintenance costs, and it wouldn't help me to get fit.

[briank05]

@exaturbo cool bike but if you are trying to get fit why not just cycle a normal unpowered bike?????

[eabellamy1]

@briank05 speed, 50 km/h uphill not easy with a normal

[CastilloOJ]

now revving the engine, i want to listen it...

[exaturbo]

@CastilloOJ

you can hear it running in part 3 and 4.

[Brute4Force]

MacGadget fella x)

[Jay210071]

how heavy is your bike????

[exaturbo]

@Jay210071

it was about 40 pounds in total, but once you are under way, you really don't notice the weight.

only if you have to carry the bike, then it is heavy !

[bazengao]

please don't tell me that it has gps

[exaturbo]

@bazengao

yes, i did have the garmin on the bike.

not for routing info, but for keeping track of the speed and distance.

[samdekok72]

Hey fella, can you buy those bike computers commercially? I have a DC wattmeter similar, but not with the distance meter built in. Cheers from Ballarat...

[exaturbo]

@samdekok72

yes, you can buy them.

it's called a cycle analyst. it's available from ebikes (dot) ca.

they have several different versions for different style motors.

some plug in, and some are a stand alone version.

[Bucu333]

najebał tej elektroniki jak w magazynie

[exaturbo]

@Bucu333

tak, wszystko jest czas. nie zmienia w żaden sposób.

[exaturbo]

@SupaParanoid

if you have to ask, you just don't get it.

the motor allows me to get out and ride and go places and distances that i would never be able to with out the assistance.

it's not about not having to pedal (or i would ride my motor cycle)

my new ebike is a much more efficient and powerful design, and is less "overdone"

as far as unnecessary additions.

[ian8354]

''Bike To The Future part III''.....lol

[Extremehacksable]

To the Batmobile

[huoletonpoika]

I bet he stole that bike from MacGyver!

[barbafarfa]

Whats the weight of this bike with all the gear attached to it?

[exaturbo]

@barbafarfa

somewhere around 40 - 45 pounds, but you really don't feel the extra weight, unless you have to carry the bike.

[zeroiscool14]

does it work?



[exaturbo]

@zeroiscool14

you obviously haven't watched parts 3 or 4 yet ?

these are rides.

i have since replaced this ebike with a more powerful and more efficient one.

there are videos of the new ebike up on youtube as well.

[zeroiscool14]

@exaturbo ohh cool :P

[mushex]

es hecaniv@ aftoics tang a :D

[saf768]

and if a curb come its will just rip it off

[exaturbo]

@saf768

i had the cyclone powered bike for about 1000km, and never bashed the motor on a gutter

[saf768]

@exaturbo ok one thing where can i buy that motor

[exaturbo]

@saf768

i got mine from cyclone-tw(dot)com, but you can also get them from cyclone-usa(dot)com

[TheBuckNigger]

How is the cyclone motor? how is it so far any problems with it?. I wanted to buy the 1200w kit from cyclone-tw but the shipping is really expensive.

[exaturbo]

@TheBuckNigger

i had this power hungry motor for about a year. never had any issues with it in that time.

the cyclone motors are very current hungry, and will need a very expensive battery.

apart from requiring a good battery, the cyclone motors are great.

they have so much pulling power, and can also go fast too.

my new ebike is a ezee geared hub motor, and i find it's a load

more efficient. not as much torque, though it has more top end speed

[FightUni09]

NICE! Is the Sorrento a high end bike? I have a crummy 26" wheel bike I want to electrify. Do I have to have a really expensive bike to soup up?

Thanks!

[exaturbo]

@FightUni09

the Sorrento was not a particularly high end bike.

you could add an electric motor to just about any bicycle.

even the folding kind.

check out endless-sphere forums for loads of good information on ebikes.

[adamyxful]

Nie wybierasz się nim czasem do polski ??

[exaturbo]

@adamyxful

im sorry, ja nie rozumiem pytania.

im przy pomocy google tłumaczyć. Nie rozumiem polskiego.

przepraszam.

[truebassB]

I haven't cycled for years (unless for workout),i only go to my destinations on foot and with other transportation,though i say that if i had a bicycle like yours i would use it very often,not necessarily for the motor,but for what you have on it and how it looks.

It's really nice and it feels like it's a durable and fun way to transport your self and load up everything needed.

Well freaking done for that,really great work that i appreciated to see it demonstrated.

[exaturbo]

@truebassB thanks. have a look at my new ebike. it's even more efficient than this one, and it's a load quieter too. it doesn't have the air horn or the gps though. i wasn't using them on the old ebike, so i didnt bother putting them on the new bike. this is what building the bike was about. i hadn't ridden a bike in about 20 years until i got this built. i have now clocked up 1000km on my new bike in the last 6 months. that's exercise i would not have gotten otherwise.

[MexicanGamerz]

wat camera r u using ?

[exaturbo]

@MexicanGamerz

it's a Sanyo Xacti HD1000.

it's a full HD 1080I camera that records in MP4 format to SDHC cards.

[ciriusn]

pathetic, a bicycle for me have to be simple so it can be light, the speed it goes it's up to my legs, because for me it's also an exercise and a pleasure to pedal. all this shit on a bicycle ruins all the fun and idea of it.

[exaturbo]

@ciriusn not at all.

i wouldn't be riding at all if i couldn't have some assistance.

how is that gonna give me any exercise ?

this weekend i rode nearly 110km over two days.

pedalled most of the way too. only used the motor for the hills and in strong headwinds.

no way would i have even been able to attempt such distances with no assist.

some people just don't get it.

[TheWingflyer]

@exaturbo Ignore the bike Nazi's. They drive their SUV's and complain about "cheating" when somebody adds a motor to a bicycle. It's your bike, you can take the pedals off and put on a 2000W motor if you like.

A good motor on a bike makes it easier to use a car less or not at all.

Bike Nazis are "cheating" by using any vehicle of any kind. You should walk or swim everywhere you go. No train, bus, car, bike, plane, boat, skateboard, etc. That's the purest, fairest, and healthiest, eh?

[ciriusn]

If a want a 2 wheels vehicle and don't feel like pedaling, Why not just get scooter ?!

[exaturbo]

@ciriusn

when will people realise that an ebike is not all about not pedalling ?

this allows me to ride much further that i otherwise woudl be able to do,

and allows me to go up steep hills with little more effort than flat ground.

it also allows me to ride to work, and not be sweaty and smelly from the ride in.

[GayBoyRunning]

geez ur bike has my gadgets then the NASA space shuttle o.o

[cdcdcd6777]

whats the weight on that thing?

I would hate to pedal it home when the battey dies.

[exaturbo]

@cdcdcd6777

it's about 40 pounds / 20 kilos. didn't actually weigh it. before i sold it to make way for a more efficient bike.

it was not that bad.

you only really felt the extra weight if you had to carry the bike for any reason.

the weight once under way, was not really an issue.

my new ebike is actually a little heavier than this one was, and it's easy enough

to ride with no motor power.

[subwayTV]

what is the game boy for?

[exaturbo]

@subwayTV

there's no game boy !

the yellow device is a GPS. and the black box is a cycle analyst.

it measures the battery system performance and speed + distance travelled per charge and over all

[subwayTV]

@exaturbo was just joking! XD

[seahorsecowboys]

NICE BIKE !....peace

[exaturbo]

@seahorsecowboys

thanks.. :-)

[MrOhennigan]

love it all Ebikes buy 15%off at NOBAGSGREEN

[russofamerica]

That's not a bike, it's an SUV.

[exaturbo]

@russofamerica

yeah, i kinda went overboard with my first ebike !

my second one is a lot more restrained, and only has the minimum requirements.

[russofamerica]

@exaturbo It's still impressive. I like the idea of having lots of information/safety features. :)

[SittingMooseShaman]

... I...AM... Im...frigging...pressed! What the concept for motor-placement!! I never thought about such a direct utilisation of the drive chain & motor while still retaining

full use of the rear gear-cluster... and I like lots of controls on the bars too...

[magudaman]

I think you need some more stuff on the handle bars ;-) Lets get a riding video!

[exaturbo]

@magudaman

check out part 3 and 4 for riding clips.

i have now built a second ebike. this one is a more stealthy hub motor.

and it's about twice as efficient as the cyclone was.

[PikKirby]

That's one pimped-out bike you got there.

[arqmarioesqueda]

congratulations, are you in USA or Europe? 

[exaturbo]

@arqmarioesqueda

neither !

im from Australia.

all of my ebike videos were filmed near my home in Sydney, Australia.

i have just started to order and collect the parts for my next (more powerful) ebike project.

[arqmarioesqueda]

@exaturbo ,,,when I saw the video I thought it was Europe, I appreciate your work, the concept of transportation is changing in the world, only the oil companies do not allow to develop those great ideas like yours, I hate the mustang, hummer, cadillac and all those cars ready to make chisels. Greetings from Mexico.

[exaturbo]

@arqmarioesqueda

thanks.

you should have a look at the new Nissan Leaf.

it's an all electric car that has recently gone on sale in Europe and Japan and the USA.

i will be buying one when they come to Australia in 2012.

[LeonRFpoa]

is that a flux capacitor?

[exaturbo]

@LeonRFpoa

that's about the only thing i didn't put on the bike !

i learned a lot from building this bike,

and the next one will be a lot more stealthy.

[Beeroxin]

go for a ride dammit

[exaturbo]

@Beeroxin

check out part 4 !!!!!

[vention4wh]

I live on an absolutely brutal hill, which is why I don't ride often. I tried a bionx kit but it just didn't have enough hill climbing power. How is this bike on hills?

I've been looking at this crank assist system since if my hill climbing power isn't enough I can just get a larger gear set in the back.

[exaturbo]

@vention4wh

the 500W motor would climb any hill, including some very steep hills at about 25kmh in the lower three gears.

but, the 500W motor can draw some serious current from the battery pack, so absolutely will not run from ping packs. you will need a very good Lithium based pack that can sustain 40Amp loads continuously.

i would recommend going to at least 650 watts and running 36 volts or even 48 volts.

with the higher volt systems, the amps required from the battery will be lower.

[qazwsxedcrfvg123]

Isn't it easier to buy a motorbike or a car ;)

[exaturbo]

@qazwsxedcrfvg123

you just don't get it do you ?

this requires no license, no registration or insurance.

costs only about 1/3 of a cent per km to run, and you keep fit at the same time,

as you STILL have to Pedal to get the best range and efficiency out of it.

[koki9996]

omg

[ruslan4real]

where did you get the motor?



[exaturbo]

@ruslan4real

sorry for the delay in answering you.

i got the motor kit from ebay seller edealsbargains.

he has a whole range of kits from 200W up.

[ruslan4real]

where did you get the motor?

[LUKASHEVICHEVGENII]

а фонарей нет.



[exaturbo]

@LUKASHEVICHEVGENII

более внимательно. Есть даже фары и задние фонари.

[jackthedog1234]

looks like the swiss army knife of bikes, infact where do you pull the tin opener from?

[exaturbo]

@jackthedog1234

funny. (a Swiss army knife is the one thing i didn't think to add)

it does kinda look a little messy in places.

i learned a heap building this bike, and will do my next one better (more power)

and a lot neater.

[jackthedog1234]

@exaturbo na man i wasnt bagging you it does the job but i couldnt ride with all that on my bars but good job brother

[exaturbo]

@jackthedog1234

yeah, i got that. thanks.

like a said, i learned a heap here.

i did over do it a bit here and there lol

it was very rideable though. i used it for my daily work commute (18km each way)

i would do a few things differently next time. namely way more power.

i wanna build a 1kw geared hub motor next time. 36 volts or higher.

have a lot of research to do first though.

[TABAGfrancis]

Please watch:

THE WORLD'S SIMPLEST TRANSMISSION for BICYCLE

[whseennn]

摩托车！不是电动车

[exaturbo]

@whseennn

垃圾！

这是一个山地自行车改为电动。

有没有内部燃烧的力量，必须有人类

它的投入工作，以最大的效率。

告诉我们您的生成？

你能做得更好？

[derman077]

I love reading these Youtube comment story books. Thanks for the upload uploader.

perhaps you can help me with something and be entertained in the process.

I fixed and modified a Power Wheels giving it three speeds and Lithium. It is now both safe and strong. In testing with 165 lb rider it towed a 185 lb man up a loading dock ramp. I am astounded by the shear power of Li-ion. The same man who sold us the three wheeler also later gave me two electric scooters and two mountain bikes. any advice

[exaturbo]

@derman077

all i can really say is that after using a Ni-Mh power pack with this ebike for a short time before swapping it for a lithium pack i agree 100%.

there's nothing like having good power. the difference between the two batteries is enormous. the LiFePo4 pack was not cheap by any means, but you get what you pay for.

what are your plans for the mountain bikes ?

[derman077]

@exaturbo Two electric scooters. one is a seated ebike style i intend to tune up. the other is a mongoose stand up style with what at a glance looks like a larger stronger motor. the two mountain bikes are intended one for my friend to tune up and one for me to modify. i intend to combine the mongoose ev with the mountain bike. all this was physical investment for helping move. the money investment is in the batteries. also i have an aluminum above ground pool and old batteries to recycle. whew.

[exaturbo]

@derman077

sounds like you have a plan in place.

post up some video of the bikes and scooters once your done ?

[derman077]

@exaturbo Actually the plan has me in place, lol. the camera i used in my videos was borrowed. what do the dials on the handlebars show you ? I want to integrate electronics into the system. is your motor behind the pedals? thats pretty cool. i would like two batteries one to get there and one to get back meaning two 24 volt or four 12 volt Li-ion power drill cells. or two of these LiFeP04 i keep hearing of. do they sell those at home depot ? (lmao) congrats on your upgrade looks great.

[exaturbo]

@derman077

the motor is under the cranks. look at the other 3 videos on you tube, (parts 2-4)

there's a better look at it all in part 2.

i got my LiFePo4 pack from cyclone-tw(dot)com at great expense. the battery and charger cost more than the motor kit did !

the display on the handlebars is called a cycle analyst. it's available from ebike(dot)ca. it measures total current draw, total current used from the pack. current speed, peak current,voltage, and minimums on the voltage and current.

[derman077]

@exaturbo Thanx much for the info, now i know what im getting into. I will check out part two. give my power wheels video a view when you get a chance.

does the cycle analyst help to monitor the voltage so not to let it drop too low increasing the lifespan of the battery? if i use power drill Lithium then i have to make sure not to deplete them by stopping and swapping often.

[exaturbo]

@derman077

yep, the CA (cycle analyst) is there to monitor battery usage.

it will keep a track of total cycles (charge / discharge cycles) and it will tell you how many watts per mile / km you are using. tells you how much current the motor is drawing. a wealth of information.

im in the palnning stages of building an electric car, and will be using a high current version of the CA on the car when the time comes.

[exaturbo]

continued.....

im not sure how the lithium power tool batteries go, though it would seem a heap of people are using them with good success.

i have no experience with them, so cant really comment.

i will check out your videos when i get home from work.

[derman077]

@exaturbo Thats awesome. does it require a custom controll box or can i hook one to an already existing system ?

[exaturbo]

@derman077

there are two main different versions of the CA. there is the stand alone unit that can be added to any just about any existing electric powered vehicle, and thy have a custom unit that suits a specific motor.

the stand alone unit simply attaches between the controller and the motor.

it has a high current shunt that it uses to measure the power being used.

it's a very simple install process.

you can even use it as a speed limiter (if you let someone else use the ebike)

[derman077]

@exaturbo WoW I learned a lot of something new today. A speed limiter would be awesome for my nieces Power Wheels also. Have you ever seen a kid do a wheelie on a Power Wheels motorcycle? lol Thanks a lot for the info and inspiration.

[MrCondings]

@MrMalagat you call that a lazy invention yet your saying you would rather get a road bike? the point of a e-bike is that you can ride without pedaling when you get tired.. with a e-bike you dont have to get insured or pay tax for it + no petrol that has lots of advantages that i dont need to list + a e-bike involves pedaling aswell that keeps you fit so you sir are a idiot

[derman077]

@MrCondings do you know if pedaling doubles as electric generation? cuz that would be cool. and stop calling the idiots, idiots, they cant help it, lol

[MrMalagat]

That is the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen! what is the use in al of that rubbish? and an E-bike is one of the laziest inventions i have come accross it would be far easier and cheaper just to buy a decent road bike becuase it would be alot lighter and easier to ride

[exaturbo]

@MrMalagat

the road bike would be lighter, and been cheaper too, but there's no way i could use a road bike (non electrified) to commute to work. i would not be able to get to work in the 45 mins, and i wouldn't be able to maintain 40kmh.

my daily commute is 18km each way, and i get there in under 45 mins

and even if i did get to work, i would have to have a shower before work.

i work in an office environment where the other people wouldn't like sitting next to a smelly sweaty person all day

[kwyjibosponge]

get rid of that ugly plastic thing and just put a nice aluminum rock guard on there already

[deathmarch5]

What is the cost of say the system you are running I am currently seeking my way out of the Matrix and desire to travel under common law but do not wish to go to court every time to explain a Drivers License is a commercial contract where you agree that you are driving under commerce their for are a subject to the Acts and statutes of the road..

[exaturbo]

@deathmarch5

the cost of the above setup, without all the extras (lights low rolling resistance tyres etc) just the bare minimum to get you on the road would be about $2200.00 AU.

that's just for the motor kit, battery and charger.

please note that t it's over the 200W maximum power rating (for australia). almost all countries have this power limit imposed. some are higher than others.

IMHO, anything under 500W is not worth doing.

[insectsfairandmoreSA]

dude instead of wasting all that money on bike stuff n even ur own bike u could of bye a motorcycle if u had a linecince for but thats a really nice bike :) .

[exaturbo]

@insectsfairandmoreSA

thanks for your comments.

i have a license for both car and motorcycle.

at the time i built the Ebike i had a 1300cc yamaha too.

the whole point of the ebike is that it requires no license, no registration or insurance.

it costs next to nothing to run (about 1c per km for electricity)

tell me any motor car or bike that can do 1c per km ?

and it helps to keep the rider fit, as you still have to have some input.

you aren't allowing the electric motor to do all the work.

[sardo97]

wow its a tank on wheels

[moss1transcendant]

i got a ping battery it never worked from new, so i went on a forum and was helped with modding the battery , now it works but only for 5 miles or so and its a 20 ah aswell. not good at all

[exaturbo]

@moss1transcendant

that's why i didnt buy a PING battery.

i ended up with a much more expensive battery from cyclone.

i was getting 20km to about 75% charge.

very expensive, but you get what you pay for.

[moss1transcendant]

@exaturbo yea i concur. in heinsight id not have botherred. id like to build my own battery but im unsure how to. im trying to remember the forum name i registerred on as id like too make a A123 cell with greater power so i can run a mountain bike with it at about a kilowatt or more.

suppose id need a decent 20ah at least but this time id get 20 miles i bet.

[exaturbo]

@moss1transcendant

i did loads of research before i bough the replacement LiFePo4 pack from cyclone.

the original Ni-Mh pack i was running was not up to the task at all.

i want to build a new bike that has at least 1kw too.

when and if that happens, ill document the process here too.

remember the higher the voltage, the less amps you need to make it all run.

my next build will probably be 72V.

[FlashDusk]

hahaha dont drop ur bike :D

[cocobirdcoco]

wow sat nav!

[sona11111111]

thats all that stuff on the dash?

[exaturbo]

check out the other videos of the bike, its all explained there.

in basic terms, the lcd is a speedo, and fuel gauge in one. by "fuel" i mean how much power has been consumed since the last charge.

[psyco515]

I have the 900w kit on my bike, not sure if i can run it at 24v, i do find running off 3 7amp SLA's the range is about 5 miles with no pdealing. Looking at getting a Ping battery, need to keep the cost down though.

I also get power for 5 seconds before it has to wait a while. I can't keep the throttle open.

How does your kit work?

[exaturbo]

dude.

you really need to loose those sla's !

they are hurting your performance big time.

once i swapped to the LiFeP04 pack, it was phenomenally different to the ni-mh pack.

with moderate peddling, i could get just under 40km range on a single charge at speeds of 40kmh average.

do yourself a favor, and get a decent liFeP04 pack.

ps, you cant run that motor on only 24 volts.

even if it would run, your current demmands would sky rocket way beyond what the sla's could handle.

[psyco515]

@exaturbo

Seems i will have bite the bullet, at half throttle do you know what the motor needs powerwise?

Need to make sure i get a powerful enough battery

[exaturbo]

i think thats a 36v system ?

im not sure what it will draw, but get the largest battery (ah wise) you can afford. at minimun i would think about 20ah, depending on how far you want to go on a charge i guess.

on my 500w version, it would happily draw 40ah at full throttle loaded up. the higher voltage systems dont draw as much as the lovew voltage systems.

i had a 24v 20ah LiFeP04 pack, and at 17km it was just under half flat. (17km was half of my daily commute) charge at work for the return.

[psyco515]

Well my journey is 20miles each way and i don't plan to do much cycling. I can charge it up at work though.

I think it is a 36v system, i will go for a 20amp 36v battery and see how i get on.

I have speed limited my bike to 30mph so i don't go too fast. I did toy with the idea of fitting the PAS so i don't get a sore wrist from too much throttle. have you tried this?

[exaturbo]

no pas for me. i was just peddling all the time to assist the motor.

32 km each way without cycling might be a big ask though.

even a light assistance will work wonders for range.

[psyco515]

I think for budget reasons 20amps will have to suffice. thats £350 from Ping.

I could pick one of the heavier cheaper batteries from another supplier but they are a few KG's heavier and are huge.

Just emailed him to see if he can make it a triangle so i can fit it in the frame.

[exaturbo]

decent power does not come cheap.

my 20AH 24V pack was $1350 AU.

but worth every cent. triangular shaped packs are a great idea.

[exaturbo]

that depends greatly on where on earth you are located. here in oz, the distributor is edealsbargains(dot)com(dot)au

another place is cyclone-tw(dot)com

[alienpatentoffice]

Please, can somebody tell me where to buy this kit. I like it better than the hub type. Thanks

[exaturbo]

the reason i went with the cyclone was the ability to gear to suit the terrain. i find i can go up the steepest of hills at almost 25km/h in 3rd (with pedal assist)

i considered the ping and cammy batteries, but their lack of high continuous loads ultimately ruled them out.

i needed a battery that can deliver 2C cont, and 3C peaks with out tripping the BMS. my new LiFeP04 Pack is more than capable., but at a price premium.

i go by the handle of diamondback on the ES forums.

Jason

[ampdavolts]

A very nice build of a notoriously difficult/problematic kit. You seem to have it well-mastered. I'm running a PING LiFePo4 36/20 on my eZee front wheeled cruiser bike, and like that battery just fine. The great advantage of the Cyclone, is, as you know, the ability to gear up and down to suit speed and road conditions. But for me: super simple is good enough. I hang at Endless Sphere forums. Are you a member there? It's a great, laid-back ebike forum.

Cheers,

Reid

[jimprice09]

so you would recommend that motor to your friend

?

how long this motor will last?

[exaturbo]

most definitely, i would recommend this motor.

i would possibly even go as far as to recommend the larger more powerful motors too.

like the 650W or even the 1000W versions.

if you do not abuse these motors, they should last almost indefinitely. many thousands of kilometres at the minimum.

by not abusing the motor, i mean do not overload it. don't try to run it at too low an rpm.

they don't like low rpm's.

[Mitchimoom]

wow

[dfhohj]

May i ask if the motor has a freewheel adaptor aswell ?

[exaturbo]

Yes, the motor has a 14T freewheeling cog on it.

so when you pedal, withouty the motor running, the motor does not turn.

[dfhohj]

Excellent work on the bike BTW. How did you mount the freewheel adapter to the motor?

[exaturbo]

the cyclone kit comes with the freewheel for the motor.

[exaturbo]

Thanks.

About the NiMh pack.....in a word underwhelming.

the Ni-Mh pack just is not capable of handling the kind of loads that the 500W cyclone can ask of it.

i am currently researching my options with regard to LiFePo4 packs. i need a pack that's at least 20A (for range) and one that can sustain 40A loads.

any suggestions?

[powpanda]

if you haven't found a battery yet, try a ping pack. his reputation on the ebike boards is impeccable, and mine works great too

[exaturbo]

thanks for the tip.

i ended up with a pack from cyclone-tw (dot)com

it's a liFePo4 Pack rated at 24V 20ah.

built from cylindrical PSI cells.

it's bee fantastic. even at almost 2c load, im seeing less than 1v voltage drop.

i was going to look at a ping pack, but i was a little concerned that at my discharge rate, it might not be suitable.

i have heard lots of good things about them but, i think they are more for long distance, lower load applications than mine....

[epedalpower]

Glad to see you got you bike setup all sorted. Bike looks great & you certainly won't be getting lost in a hurry with the sat nav mounted on the handlebars. How is the Ni-Mh battery performing?