Personal introspection! That's the evidence. If personal introspection is evidence that God exists for some people than it can be evidence that God does not exist. You can't have it both ways people.
@RobonaSkills Why not believe in a god? Your god? Any god? Becuz I care about truth & what's real- what can be proved with evidence & facts. Where's your proof of god? Saying god is love is an empty, meaningless statement. Besides, I see the harmful effects of religion has on our species. It pits us against each other & doesn't make sense that a being is love would torture his creation for eternity for not believing in it. For every xtian god I've hard about, love IS conditional.
@utubepunk He is not torturing. He only tests your faith in him. My proof of God is not just simply as many call him God. But as the Creator, The Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. And i ask you another question, If the big bang supposedly created everything, which im not saying it didnt have a part in it, What caused the big bang?
@RobonaSkills When I say torturing, I'm referring to hell- eternal punishment. I don't see hell as a creation of a loving being. Your following statement calling your god various names doesn't constitute proof either. To your question what caused the big bang? I'm not afraid to admit I don't know- I wasn't there & I'm not a scientist. But saying, oh god did it is a lazy cop out. My person theory- the universe expands & contracts- rinse & repeat, ad nauseum.
he thinks he is smart by saying whats your proof your favorite ice cream is vinalla,first of all becuase it taste like vinalla its cold,its smooth and crushed ice with dairy and depending on the indivisual..they decide from the proof if they like it or not lol...now whats the proof about atheism...(cough) they have already said enough..there is no proof...i beleive rich is right...GOOD JOB RICH people like you still make me beleive in god and become my hero/brother/sister in life :D
@SBeyond20 "he thinks he is smart by saying whats your proof your favorite ice cream is vinalla,first of all becuase it taste like vinalla its cold,its smooth and crushed ice with dairy" Which is all proof of the texture and other attributes of the ice cream. It proves that the ice cream exists.
None of that prove you like vanilla ice cream. The only prove of that is you stating that,
Just like the only proof of a lack of belief in god is an atheists personal statement.
The burden of proof is on theists. If I tell you there is a pixie at the end of my garden the burden is on me to prove it is there not for you to prove it isn't.
lol "yes or no only plz" christian:"bla bla bla bla bla bla", the guy saying tha atheists were running from the debate, the guy who did not let the debate go on was the christian, and about a guy who goes from atheims to christianism just can't be taken serious, its too much contradiction in one single life
people may say he was interrupting and such, but he is right, he did make a joke of these guys on their show, if all they can say is they know that they are athiests? No shit thats why the run an athiest show, they didnt give any educated answer.
Please do not judge believers by this, for lack of a better word "Christian". He is asking for proof via facts of belief. Facts can change. I had two chickens: fact. I ate one. I don't have two chickens anymore. This guy wants atheists to prove truth without belief. From someone who professes no belief noless. I am pretty dumb, but I could have avoided that conundrum.
my god i want to punch this fucking retarded christian prick in the face. why does he keep asking him to prove atheism when he cant prove his own fucking religion? this is just pissing me off
I feel as though the caller made a valid point if all of you did not notice. Atheism is based off of faith. To simply say there is a lack of evidence is, if anything, incredibly lazy. If these radio hosts were knowledgeable, they could of at least used scientific data to support their claims. At least attempt to provide scientific findings that point toward the nonexistence of God.
@djzaki "If these radio hosts were knowledgeable, they could of at least used scientific data to support their claims." When they actually make claims, they do support them with scientific data. But atheism does not make the claim that gods do not exist.
@djzaki "At least attempt to provide scientific findings that point toward the nonexistence of God. " Nope, theists claim it/they exist, therefore they have the burden of proof.
Or do you need to prove there isn't a purple dinosaur in my room?
The reason we have atheists is because there is no evidence or proof that God exists. Who wants to challenge me? Who wants to supply me proof and evidence that there is a God?
This guy makes Christians look like ignorant assholes. Atheists don't need proof to prove that they don't believe in god. No religion needs proof for anything, because it's all based on opinion. I could say that I believe that the sun is a god. I have no proof, but I don't need any, because it's my opinion.
@USalltheway96 The difference is if you say the sun is a god then I will say your god exists. I may have a problem accepting your claims that the sun does supernatural miracles, but we can prove that god exists. Most world religions make the statement that something exists but that we cannot test it, and that because we cannot test it, it must therefore exist. That statement is what we are asking them to prove. And because it is impossible to prove, there is no reason to accept it
@michaelflorida56 Well then you just called me an ignorant asshole. Most of the people I know are Christian, and they are the some of the smartest, most well rounded people I know.
@JIX9ISLER1986 LOL. Sorry your belief system IS a religion. Please look @ oh I don't know, ANY dictionary. And using your bible to prove itself is an example of confirmation bias & circular logic. You won't find salvation in any dogmatic religion. So as for Acts 4:12- I'm sorry, your 10 commandments says nobody before god. Jesus just made himself an idol by violating a commandment. So do you have any proof for your fantastical beliefs / religion?
The Creator of everything is ONE, he is NOT 1 in 3 or 3 in one, he is not a dead man hanging on a stick shaped like a cross, or a fat china man sitting under a tree, he has no wife or children, he has no begening or end, he is Unlike Enything we can think of it emagin. Look for the truth it's out there for you to find.
@ghs224 Buddha never claimed to a god. And it wasn't China, either. Sheesh. With statements like that its obvious you have no more real insight on a god (or any god) than anyone else.
moreover: noah ark. this shit takes the cake. EVEN USS NIMITZ super aircraft carrier, a marvel of modern engineering with displacement of 100 000tons COULD NOT accommodate two of each species on it yet alone some shitty boat that some peasant noah may have built (stress is on "if he built it)
to put it short: if the bible (or koran or torah all is pretty much same shit) is word of god and as we saw the bible is FALSE (hence koran & torah are false too) then stuff in them NEVER HAPPENED. fuck
ok so people want proof that atheism is correct. lets use that source those religious christians draw faith from the bible. read genesis and you'll see it's full of incorrect info. 2 stories about mankind, not all seed from plants is edible as it says (many are poisonous for humans), if god is omnipotent why he rested on 7th day (god got tired?). there are many more inaccuracies. if you want proof that religion is false and that there can be no god just read the fucking bible cover to cover. -.-
@Archy11102 Not a xtian, but they have all these mental gymnastics to answer your questions. Not all seeds are edible because the fall of man. Once mankind was kicked out of the garden of Eden, that's when everything changed. Repent or burn forever by a loving god! Resting on the 7the day? No idea what'd they say other than god can do what he wants? Too bad most fundies don't read the bible. That is one immoral, genocidal, insecure god they're worshiping!
I dont think he failed he did answer atheism is not a religion it is a lack to beleive in a God a higher power. In my opinion I think the man answered the question. i am a Christian myself so I am not bagging on the Rich guy but he kept going after he answered the damn question.
This caller has a fundamental misunderstanding of what 'theism' and 'atheism' mean.
He is just trying to engage in a semantic argument.
The show hosts answered on spot. Just as the hosts would not be able to show proof of evidence for the lack of Santa Claus existence - they would not be able to show evidence that there are no gods.
What I find Hilarious! (as the title implies) is that this shocking display of ignorance is posted by a xtian uploader thinking it somehow proves his point and makes atheists look bad. Not to often do see or hear someone embrace ignorance so heartily as to flaunt it.
There is no such thing as a God, the universe is over 13 billion years old, the universe is expanding due to the fact that can be proved via using redshift of the expanding universe that proves that their is a point of where it all started commonly known as the big bang... There is proof that their is evolution due to the fact that they have found the last remains that peices the whole story of evolution from the start to us, homosapiens...
You can't prove a negative. You can't prove cold exists. You can prove or disprove heat but cold isn't a thing. It's the absence of a thing. You can prove or disprove theism. You can not, however, prove or disprove atheism. It's like trying to measure dark. You can't do it. Many, many people have disproved your faith. They may not have proven atheism but if they disprove your God and he does not exist, you can only logically believe in a lack of God (or atheism). Your challenge is flawed.
This guy is a blithering moron. He never stops talking long enough to get destroyed . Smart on his part as he is a feeble minded little troll. Fucking idiot.
If I tell someone I can fly, what are they going to say? "PROVE IT!" Now it is up to me to prove it, not the other way around. So if I tell someone that God exists, it is up to me to prove it, not the other way around.
The problem here is that the guy doesn't understand what atheism is, he's looking for an answer to a question that doesn't make sense. The guy on the radio answers it correctly. Atheism isn't a religion or a certain belief, atheism is a lack of belief in a god, hence the word a-theism. Atheists believe in different theories to why the earth came to be, there are no unanimous theory that all atheists share, therefore it's not a religion.
what makes me feel sick is the blindness of the christian guy. Its literally making me feel sick .
He really doesn't understand what atheism is. He really doesn't understand the basic logic.
He really doesn't accept any answer if he doesn't like it . I would like to ask all Christians a non religious question: What prove or evidence do they have that time machine does not exist ? Give me your answer by replying to my comment.
@carlover That has nothing to do with God a time machine could exist but it wouldnt disprove God. I think though time travel will never happen for the power you would need to break the barrier would have to be immence so that will most likely remain in the sc fi section. God bless.
@billywarren22 You misunderstood the question. I just put it another way: Your little child thinks their is a ghost under her/his bed and wont sleep. Would a proper response be "I cannot prove there's not a monster there. Therefor its most likely its real!"
NO, this is not sane reasoning! Nevertheless a sound foundationen for a beleif that guides your life and includes a worldview.
Can you prove there is not a shy fire monster in a volcano? Why dont you start a religion based on that instead?
@carlover Like I said your question has no barring on ones soul just your preoccupation with the BTTF movies. A time machine wouldnt disprove God what about that dont you get? Anyway Farewell and Godbless.
@billywarren22 typical christian, not answering the question, irrelevant stuff to my question. See what i did there ? Being ignorant and not understanding your answer. But, there is a point behind my silly question. If you can not prove that time machine does not exist , because it does not that does not mean that it exist. SAME is with the caller and his point about the god! You can not prove that something which does not exist, does not exist. It exists if you Can prove it!
@carlover Do you see what you did you trapped yourself because you are saying that he could exist. Lol. To God be the glory. First law of thermodynamics states that energy can not be created or destroyed. So it is eternal. Hmm. Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah. I am that I am.
@billywarren22 "First law of thermodynamics states that energy can not be created or destroyed. So it is eternal. Hmm. Where have I heard that before?"
Again, open an actual science book about thermodynamics, you show great ignorance on this topic.
@billywarren22 How have i trapped myself ? Look carefully what i said.
I said that we prove things exist by evidence. We don't prove something does not exist with evidence. Lack of evidence states something does not exist. By the way , you should open a book about thermodynamics and look what it really is . That only shows how shallow your understanding of things around you is .
@carlover No lack of evidence doesnt always prove something doesnt exist that jst means at that time you dont have enought evidence for a clear answer. You did by you logic admit that God could exist and in the first law is says that energy cant be created nor destroyed so I ask you why cant that eternal energy be God? Why would that bother you so?
@billywarren22 "and in the first law is says that energy cant be created nor destroyed so I ask you why cant that eternal energy be God? Why would that bother you so?" Because you fail to understand what the first law of thermodynamics is and the implications of it.
@carlover No use, carlover. You're trying to make a xtian troll think for himself- without the bible blinders. I called him out for worshiping such a vile, immoral, hypocritical, genocidal god (based on the very bible he uses to condemn others). All he does is declare a self-victory & retreats, probably thinking he earned Jebus points.He probably gives himself bonus pts wagging his finger & saying, don't say I didn't warn you. People like him is what drove me away from xtianity.
@utubepunk You are right. I think im going to give up on trying to explain him the basic logic. Since he really does do what you said! But the amount of blindness and ignorance surprise me every time.
@carlover You know you say the simpliest logic now which is easier to believe that blind chance without guidance created a universe with laws or that a being of such profound knowledge and forsight created said universe. God. As it goes the simpliest answer is usually the right one. You all claim that the God answer is the simple fall back position so you do the math. I energy cant be created or destroyed that would make it eternal so is it possible that could be the energy signature of God?
@utubepunk God is holy and can put any of us to death for our crimes. You want a God who will bow to your whim and let you do what you want well sorry God isnt a eternal Grandfather saying heres a quarter sonny, No he is holy and devine and you as i are wretched sinners. Harsh yes but true. I dont need to obtain victory its already there in Christ. Anyway we will have to agree to disagree.
@billywarren22 Your god is holy & divine? Prove it. According to the bible, he's pretty inept. You should stop putting words in my mouth. I don't want god or any other fictional being (santa, wendigo, etc) to bow to my whim. Your words are harsh, but haven't proven to be true. Obtain victory? Are you playing a football game? I will agree you haven't provided any shred of evidence to back up any of your claims.
@billywarren22 Poor Billy. Once his illogical & specious reasoning is called out & questioned, he pulls the Farewell & Godbless. You'd think he would have prayed for an airtight, unbeatable, absolutely convincing argument to prove the existence of his deity. Alas, all he can do is resort to circular logic & personal "proof" which doesn't prove his god any truer than any other god. Billy, it was Popeye the Sailor who said I yam what I yam! Such a statement is surely divine!
@utubepunk No i do think and to look at the vastness of the universe and to think chance that is what is absurd. Now if energy is eternal as the first law thermodynamic states it possibe that energy is God.?
@billywarren22 Hey, about time you got around to incoherently & incorrectly started citing the first law of thermodynamics as proof of god. Sometimes I wish it was Darwin that developed that law- it would leave xtians in a twisted conniption! So now you worship the electrical socket by saying god is energy? Nice! Go discuss your theory with a physicist so they can properly educate you.
@utubepunk No thats what the first law states that energy can not be created or destroyed so by LOGIC something that cant be created or destroyed but exist would make it eternal right. So my question is to you why cant that be God? What is it about the concept of God that bothers you so? If you dont believe why waster your time talking about something you dont think is real? See the fact that Gods name is on your lips leads to believe youre not so cinvinced of atheism though you so want it
@billywarren22 Correction: your concept of god bothers me. Energy as you say does not describe what you think / believe is god. Now you're a mind reader, too? Xtians claiming they have god's power- that's downright blasphemous! I didn't say there isn't any good, just unlikely that your version of god exist. Shifting sands? Oh, that's rich coming from a religion that stoned children & gay ppl along with other immoral & stupid laws. Sorry- you have no moral high ground over anyone.
@utubepunk Mecy could be shown when a punishment such as stoning was mentioned that showed the extent of the sin so that when mercy was given it was sweeter than Honey. Besides Im nit under moasic law but the law of grace which is not a licence to sin but a way to flee it and cling to the cross. Homsexuality is not natural if all animals suddenly went homsexual the species would die out so it is deviation of nature a corruption. I never said I have Gods power but I have victory in Christ
@billywarren22 last remark and we will leave it at that take the fossil record and those pesky missing links there would have to be millions of them for each creature would stay in a form for quite a while and leave their remains and be that in this time there is about 2 million forms of life on earth times that bu those of those past creatures the earth would flooded with fossils and quess what where are they? So as I said lets leave at that and move on.
@billywarren22 SO reassuring to know that a few ppl were spared from stoning. The fact it was their law (god's law) at the time shows the cruelty in him. Women wearing a cloth of more than 1 fabric! Such an abomination before god! See if you were under mosiac law, you'd be trying to convince us how great stoning & other forms of torture are because god endorses it! Good to know you ignore the 10 commandments, tho. You have certainly inferred omniscience in many posts.
@utubepunk I dont ignore the ten commandements Jesus fulfilled all rituals and such so that I dont have to work for salvation. So that I can Gods work with all assurance of my place in heaven. The fabric thing was another way to show the hebrews as well as other old testament rituals their need of a saviour. Christ did not come to destroy but to fulfill the law. The ten commandments though part of the law are also seperate for they came into the new covenant not as a yoke but as freedom to have
@billywarren22 Ah, you ignore & rationalize the silly / immoral parts of the OT. You're a believer in 1 religion among thousands. You don't know. When science & evidence disagrees with your biblical worldview you attack it without evidence to support your claims. When cornered, you have the same response to me & thomaseshuis- you tell us we don't have common sense and run away. I'll have to remember that the fabric law is there to show a need for a savior. Gold! Comedy gold.
@utubepunk There are no immoral parts its God bestowing justice like I said all have sinned against a Holy God. Thats your real issue you dont want a holy God you want a lack luster spineless limp wristed God who will just let everything slide.No, he is the judge whether you like it or not but through Jesus you can be cleansed and have your record erased but thats your choise.You have become nothing more than a troll even after I have agreed to disagree see your respomse should have been
@billywarren22 I didn't realize innocent babies need justice bestowed upon them in the form of death. Your god is immoral because his actions are immoral. He is certainly not pro-life. Again, you ascribe yourself with divine omniscience by pretending to know what god I want. Stop making these silly statements & obviously you're not listening. Calling you on your arrogance isn't trolling. BTW- No other god before me, but I have to go thru Jesus? Yet another contradiction!
@utubepunk that even though you disagree that we can peacefully oc-exist so it is not I who is running but I am leaving someone who is clearly trying to convince himself no God for the love of sin and decides to troll. So I will not respond and I will leave you to your devices so God bless and farewell.
@billywarren22 Sigh. More xtian nonsense. I have no proof that your god even exists, so NO I am not convincing myself that he doesn't exist. You make yourself look really bad when you say these simple-minded things. Asking you to prove your statements isn't trolling. Telling someone who doesn't agree with you that they lack common sense & really know god exists when clearly they don't is trolling. Is it really that hard to understand or do you enjoy being obtuse? Yes, pls go now.
@utubepunk One your argument of I have no proof that Your God exist you have to admit on that statement that you dont have proof he doesnt exist. Second Jesus is God so no contradiction. Father,son,holy spirit three yet one. You are a trinity not devine but three in the one. mind,body and soul. Babies die due to sin and the corrupted creation. Now I have offered you a out by saying we will have to agree to disagree but you keep knocking on my door.. God even said professing to be wise they
@billywarren22 1- You're making the claims, so you must provide the proof. Many other ppl have pointed this out to you. Burden is on you. 2- Jesus is god? So jesus prays to himself? If jesus was god, then he wasn't a man. Believing in more than 1 god is polytheism. Trinity was invented much later after the bible. 3- I don't need an out as you have not provided a shred of evidence to support your claims. You're giving yourself an out. Another verse that makes you feel better.
@utubepunk are fools. Now I will ofer an olive branch of peace and say if you dont beleive in God why continue to come to my door, if you dont believe then why not just move on? So I will discontinue communication for you and wish you the best and God bless.
@billywarren22 Look @ this thread. Littered with you making all these claims & you either dishonestly answer questions, tell ppl they don't have common-sense or give a jab insult & bid farewell, leaving their questions unanswered. Doesn't convince anyone but yourself. You're not helping your cause. Here's why I bother- because I use to be & think like you. I see the same holier-than-thou arrogance in u that I use to believe. So may the true gods of Zeus, Odin & FSM bless YOU sir.
@billywarren22 I like how you use a bible verse to call me a fool & then say you offer an olive branch. LOL! D move, bro. D move. I never claimed to be wise- you're claiming to have all the answers, except of course when reality & things like facts don't agree with your bible. Then you resort to the bible verses that make you feel better about being called out. History full of religious ppl NOT co-existing w/ their fellow man. Which is why your thinking is dangerous & sickens me.
@utubepunk who has the power. I am his servant and he is my master. Now lets just agree to diagree like two adults we have both shared out thought and now we can both move on and so I wish you all the best and God bless and farewell.
@thomaseshuis Rape, murder, kidnapping, etc I could go on but it seems to me that you are just trying to justify something in your life. So I am done with you for you clearly dont have common sense. So God bless farewell and move on.
@billywarren22 "Rape, murder, kidnapping, etc" Are evidence of these things occur and support the idea that there are no universal moral laws.
"I could go on but it seems to me that you are just trying to justify something in your life." I'm not. That's you. You keep asserting this without evidence.
I am not trying to justify anything I'm just asking you to support your claim with evidence. Something which any honest person would do. You have failed to do so.
@thomaseshuis I love that every time you respond you write exactly what I sat back these acts such as murder, rape , kidnapping weaken a societ and can even destroy it but I thought you had enough common sense to put that together yourself but on that I was wrong. I hope you never have children if you think rape or kidnapping isnt absloutley wrong cuz you would a coward of a Father. Now goodbye and God bless I am wasting energy on you when there are those who have common sense.
@billywarren22 "I love that every time you respond you write exactly what I sat back" You really don't realise I do this to show which parts of your comments I am actually responding to?
"weaken a societ and can even destroy it" That does not make it wrong though, impractical, not wrong.
"but I thought you had enough common sense" Argument from ignorance is still a logical fallacy, no matter how many times you regurgitate it.
@billywarren22 "I hope you never have children if you think rape or kidnapping isnt absloutley wrong cuz you would a coward of a Father." Straw-man attack and ad-hominem in one. Congratulations you just managed to combine two logically asinine and flawed arguments into one.
Now how about some evidence for universal moral laws?
@thomaseshuis No you simply do that like a child throwning a temper tantrum its more annoying. Again rape as impractical wow as the a rape victim was her rape wrong or just impractical and Im sure she would slap the taste out of your mouth and rightly so. Rape rocks a woman right down to her souls and her families and friends and even her community. S o rape is absolutly wrong. this is what atheism is no standard no right or wrong just indifference. My mom was raped should i mom your rape was
@billywarren22 "No you simply do that like a child throwning a temper tantrum its more annoying." Look you can lie to yourself all you want, but don't try to presume to know my motivation. Or else support evidence for such ludicrous ad-hominem attacks.
"S o rape is absolutly wrong." I already know your opinion. I am still waiting for you to prove that rape is a universal moral concept.
@billywarren22 "impractical.My mom was raped should i mom your rape was " You should tell her that you feel for her and that you THINK it is wrong.
"Her rape was disgusting, vile and evil.` As I said, I already know your opinions and I FEEL the same. But you have failed to prove that rape has a universal meaning and condemnation.
@thomaseshuis impractical. NO! Her rape was disgusting, vile and evil. You sir are the one making a fool of himself and if you do marry or are married please if God forbid your wife is being or is raped please dont say my wifed rape is impractical. It is vile and your wife should slap the stupid out of ya. This is where we part you can have the last word here for God will have the last word in eternity. God bless and farewell.
@billywarren22 `and if you do marry or are married please if God forbid your wife is being or is raped please dont say my wifed rape is impractical.` I won´t. Stop positing the same stupid straw-man over and over again.
I THINK rape is wrong, I do not know however that it is a universal law as you claim.
In many cultures the age of marriage/sex is different. You have failed to prove your case.
@billywarren22 "It is vile and your wife should slap the stupid out of ya. This is where we part you can have the last word here for God will have the last word in eternity. God bless and farewell."
Except you have only regurgitated the same asinine fallacies and personal opinions.
You have failed to prove the existence of universal laws. And since you also failed to prove the existence of your god, your veiled threat is also meaningless.
@billywarren22 "So I am done with you for you clearly dont have common sense."
Saying something is common sense or fact does not make it so. You have to provide actual evidence.
"So God bless farewell and move on." In other words you still have no way to either support your case or refute my arguments so you dismiss them out of hand and run for the hills.
@utubepunk to be true. See in atheism there is no absloute right or wrong just indifference. You have no solid moral ground just the shifting sands. You can see yourself as a cosmic accident but I see you as designed with purpose and value. On that we will have to agree to disagree. God is there. You can hide under the warm blanket of evolution but one day God will remove it and you will be in cold air of reality of a very real God. Science cant even come close to the face of God so whatdo you
@utubepunk you say with what is still a very limited understanding of the universe say since God cant be put into a simple little box he cant be real but God is too big for your puny little box. You can laugh at me I can take it after the Lord said you will hted for my name sake and remember when the worlds hates you it hated me first. So I will leave you now and say lets agree to disagree. God bless and farewell.
@billywarren22 So we have a limited understanding of the universe, which I'm fine with admitting but Billy Warren has it ALL figured out. You even know what god thinks & feels. Amazing! You disagree with all the scientist who have proved evolution becuz of what an ancient copy of a copy of a book tells you. You'd rather believe myth than evidence & facts. Yes, the bible did say you would be mocked. Shocking- believe crazy, unprovable things & people will call you on it. Duh & derp
The question is totally retarded from the start. Equally retard question ta answer as for a psychiarist to try to convince an insane that requires EVIDENCE or PROOF that the invisible man is not present in the room!
Religion equals insanity. If not clear already, it should be even more clear by this.
@mattann81 So you do believe that there are absolutes so you have proven my point for me. See it doesnt matter what man says or the culture wrong is wrong period. Just look at this culture its falling apart thats all the proof I need. Unlike you Im not afraid to say something is wrong no matter what the culture says for Gods ways are higher and he will have the last word. BTW atheism is a world view since in your mind this whole thing is but a fluke and we are but a cosmic joke.
@billywarren22 Well which god to start with? Allah, Shiva, Ra (the sun god) Why not some norse gods from my region like "Thor"? All from religions reflecting the current society and with gods and myths mirroring the societys values.
Like in a example in the old books, slaughtering a whole people for getting ther nerves stimulated by a same-gender, consent person was reasonable. Today that is a monster, a psychopat or sick despot.
Born in Irak, would your mind defend islam instead? probably.
@billywarren22 One man takes all "sins" in the world and dies for them? Creepy idea, how could it make sense to you? Says nothing of accuracy, right? I come from a country where people in general do not believe in gods, ghosts and angels and stuff like that. It might be hard for you to imagine how wierd things like that sounds from an outside perspective, sorry for that.
But on the other hand, if you really think that story is true. Why care anymore? Have fun, enjoy your "free" deal of sins! :)
@mattann81 jesus wasnt a mere man he was in fact God himself and his death wasnt too free us to sin our little hearts out but that we can be made right with God. God is still God even in your country hes God in all the universe. God is Holy and sin can not stand in his presence only perfection. So he came in the form of Jesus and went to a gruesome death to bare the weight of Gods wrath. No mere man could do this youre right but he wasnt a mere man but God. In order to reap from this wonderful
@mattann81 gift you must repent(turn from sin) and pick up your cross and follow him. Now that doesnt mean we cant have fun but we now seek that glorifies him and not the flesh or Satan. Look at yourself in Gods mirror(ten commandments) are you "good"? Have u lied,stolen,lusted if so you as I are not worthy of heaven but of Hell but thats where the cross comes in and if you repent trust and obey Jesus as Lord you will be saved. Christianity isnt a religion but a relationship with God.
@billywarren22 Man, if you have extraordinary claims you have to have at least ordinary evidence for your sake. You certainly need that here. Saying "was in fact" is not fact and you probably know that perfectly well. Get out of your dreams n fantasies and tell the hard facts.
By the way, have you gone deep into islam? If already beleive in prophets and angels, why not? A more consequent religion I would say (if something profoundly irrational as religion can be rational) but quite scary moral.
@mattann81 I have gone deep into Islam and thats not of the one true God. Look up extra biblical accounts of Jesus and Chrisitanity and they will be those who were not Christians.
@billywarren22 The moslims says the same thing about you. They say you have a corrupt religion and that your concept god-son-spirit is totally contradictionary. How should I know what fairytale with holly men and angels that is true?
@mattann81 Look up Acts17apolgetics on youtube and they will explain that better than I for some of them are former muslims. Christianity isnt a mere religion but a relationship with God through Jesus. Muslims are never sure if they have pleased Allah enough the truth says we couldnt die our sin that seperates us and in islam they have to earn Allahs favor. Truth is we could never do so for the as for mention sin that seperates us. As the child analogy good try but two things
@mattann81 one yes the child could just have an over actine imagination or they are seeing something. It could be a monster which is really a demon playing tricks or an angel to watch over them. My mother as a child saw two angels herself as she played outside on a swingset. In Islam a true muslim is to kill a non muslim or infadel to please Allah in Christianity we are to pray and love our neighbors and be an example of Christ to them. Chrsit died for the unjust. Allah would never offer that.
@billywarren22 Billy, you obviously live in a fantasy world. When is it time to grow up? Your reasoning for chistianity over islam says nothing about accuracy.
Non of my questions have been answered with logic arguments. It is troubling to see how mentally disabling religion is. It is not about you, guess you are just indoctrinated, but the religion.
Being raised without religion or other superstition I can consider any religion freely and trust me, they dont make any sense. None of them.
@mattann81 Religion is wrong truth isnt. Jesus is truth not religion even he confronted the religious establishment. All of us have sinned. Have you lied,stolen(doesnt matter the value of the item) lusted these are sins and seperate you from God. Jesus is God in human form and died so that if you repent and trust you will be saved. Now its your choice see you have the reigion o that is man centered I have the one that is God centered.
@billywarren22 Ok. 1. Jesus might have existed we dont know for sure. Were many "messiahs" at the time & it was a long time ago, we cant say anything with certainty at this day. 2. You said before you beleive in god, angels, demons, a gods son. Belief in supernaturals is called religion, what else? 3. Last chance now, why is it a truth? Leave the praising, its doesnt make any sense to me as I havent been presented any god reasons to beleive in your invisible spirits or your biblical monster- god
@mattann81 One God is not a monster he is devine and science had said that energy cannot be created or destroyed so its eternal well as I said Could that energy be God?The universe didnt sprout from nothing but came from something. yes one part of the defintion of religion is belief in God but the other is to think one self can earn salvation thats what I hate cuz no one can Jesus hinself said there are none amoung you that are good. Other faiths teach that one can earn salvation while
@mattann81 Christianity states that no matter how much "good" you may do if you still live in sin you are seperated from God. There is actual proof that Jesus walked this Earth and alot from non chrisitians of his day. God is holy and doesnt need your or my approval so yes he can put me, or you to death for our crimes(sins) now this is not what youre looking for but its truth. what you do with it is your choice. Farewell and Godbless.
@billywarren22 It seems to be that matter is a form av energy and that it cannot be destroyed. If you can all everything that exist "god" I guess you are a pantheist but I see no reason for denomination then, why not just call it Everything or the Universe? However this doesnt give support for the biblical record of jesus as god's son and your despotic god, sins etc. Historically we dont not if jesus existed. I was about 100 human generations ago. Most religions have holly gods btw, no argument.
@billywarren22 "Look up extra biblical accounts of Jesus and Chrisitanity and they will be those who were not Christians." Except those are all based on hear say as they are written decades after jesus died.
@thomaseshuis You know whats funny the bio of aleander the great wasnt written until 500 years after his death and yet we hold it in high regarde and oh yeah the Bible says It is the fool who says there is no God. So God has called you a fool.
@billywarren22 So you also prove other scripture that there will be mockers and that you will be hated for my namesake. So thanks for proving my faith. God bless and goodbye.
@billywarren22 "So you also prove other scripture that there will be mockers and that you will be hated for my namesake. So thanks for proving my faith. God bless and goodbye. "
You really think you religion is the only one who claims that. Wow you're even more ignorant then I thought. No wonder you fail at basic logic and fail to prove any of your claims.
@thomaseshuis Look at yourself in the mirro theres your proof. irst law of thermodynamics states that energy can not be created or destroyed that is is eternal hey thats sounds like God when he said I am the beiginning and the end I am the first and the last I am the alpha and the omega. He is the eternal energy of the universe. I foyu dont beleive why evne waste your time here by your stand wouldnt you be wasting you time if this is all there is. Hmm think on that, God bless
@billywarren22 "Look at yourself in the mirro theres your proof." It only proves I am reflected in the mirror. It does not proof creation, that's circular reasoning.
"irst law of thermodynamics states" Read an actual science book about the first law of thermodynamics. The fact that you think it proves creationism shows you fail to understand it.
@billywarren22 "I foyu dont beleive why evne waste your time here by your stand wouldnt you be wasting you time if this is all there is." Because Christians and theists try to enforce their make belief rules on me. I want to learn where they come from.
@thomaseshuis You're wasting your time on this xtian troll. I took him to task on another video, pointing out all the contradictions & inaccuracies in the bible, the evil in his religion & the immorality of his god. He actually stopped posting to my replies. He's demonstrated nearly every logical fallacy there is. After he's done pooping in a thread & getting called on it, he declares victory & runs away like a coward he is. Billy- at least form a coherent, original argument!
You should have asked for proof and evidence that god DOES NOT exist, not just proof or evidence and atheism is accurate, thats why there kept saying because they beleive its true. If you asked that im sure theey would have been bum fucked. Because they have no proof or evidence that god is not real. And when you ask them for facts or whatever and they reply by asking you the same. its a coward move.
Of course it's as impossible to give proof that God DON'T exist as God DO exist. Atheism looks at fact we can get and draws the conclusion that God don't exist
no like or dislike bar. Damn. I don't even think ShockofGod ever was an atheist, I think he probably uses that as an excuse or something. "Proof" of atheism lies in a mentality, at least it does for me. I guess if you treat atheism like a religion, you'd ask for proof of it. Not like he'd walk up to a paleontologist and ask him or her to "prove" that the fossils are real. Or to an astronomer and ask him or her to "prove" that the night sky isn't really just a blanket with holes in it.
soooo this is just basically a christian saying i believe believe in god, you don't so why don't you believe in god. give me facts on why you don't believe in having a god cause if the next word out of your mouth isnt what i want to hear then you are wrong
Problem is the bible has been amended, re-written and had inaccurate translations since the time if was first written; religion was (and still is today) a power that men (and now women) had and I'm sure would exaggerate (or maybe even fabricate?) certain 'miracles' to turn people to 'their' religion. The amount of contradictions, inaccurate information and vague passages in Holy scripture shows this was the work of humans, with human ideas (Old and New Testament).
Aethiests do not believe in god, which means they dont have any proof that God exists, they are like christian who do believe in god, much agreed with him saying, we like vanilla ice cream you cannot prove that they dont, Aethiests need more proof than just the bible they want to see it with their own eyes not just read about it. There are soooo many religions that are like that, no visual proof NOT INCLUDING BOOKS they dont believe in it.
its like telling someone that you enjoy a good b.j. and then they tell you "no you don't". ahaha. Whatever the case may be, we are here and thats it. Do we have "souls" and if so, when we die do they go to heaven or hell? Is there a heaven or hell? Do u really want to risk it and find out later there is such a higher power? And do you really wanna worry about other people and aggitate and frustrate them because you believe in God and they dont? whats the point of that? That's not christianlike
I wonder if he realizes that the burden of prof is on theists, not atheists. It's always on the affirmative side. It's like asking for proof there are no unicorns
@apatrick0516 No both arguments are the affirmantive because the atheist say that their belief is true so they to have the burden of proof. All we believers need to prove there is a God is right outside your window.
This guy, ShockOfGod, is so stupid and idiotic, and hilariously idiotic. Yes, I said stupid, idiotic, and hilariously idiotic. He asks the question of "where's the proof?" but when he gets asked the questio
You do not need proof to be an atheist. You only need lack off proof.
PennyDreadful1 1 day ago
Well it's up to you people to prove your imaginary friend in the sky exists. We just don't believe you, we don't have to prove anything.
cfc19900 3 days ago
Personal introspection! That's the evidence. If personal introspection is evidence that God exists for some people than it can be evidence that God does not exist. You can't have it both ways people.
jsmith224455 3 days ago
It's funny how all they do is beat around the bush, mock believers, and "answer" the questions with more questions. Cowards.
KempfPlus 5 days ago
Atheism is not a religion. It is a Philosophy.
DarthWater7 5 days ago
Classic insight into the religious mind
schmolywar 5 days ago
You want an extraordinary explanation for things you find in the world? Love. God is love. simple as that.
RobonaSkills 6 days ago
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@RobonaSkills "Love. God is love. simple as that." Except for the fact that this a non-sequitur and baseless statement.
thomaseshuis 6 days ago 5
Why not believe in God? Because people think god will never accept the bad of the world? No. God loves each and every one of us unconditionally.
RobonaSkills 6 days ago
@RobonaSkills Why not believe in a god? Your god? Any god? Becuz I care about truth & what's real- what can be proved with evidence & facts. Where's your proof of god? Saying god is love is an empty, meaningless statement. Besides, I see the harmful effects of religion has on our species. It pits us against each other & doesn't make sense that a being is love would torture his creation for eternity for not believing in it. For every xtian god I've hard about, love IS conditional.
utubepunk 5 days ago
@utubepunk He is not torturing. He only tests your faith in him. My proof of God is not just simply as many call him God. But as the Creator, The Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. And i ask you another question, If the big bang supposedly created everything, which im not saying it didnt have a part in it, What caused the big bang?
RobonaSkills 5 days ago
@RobonaSkills When I say torturing, I'm referring to hell- eternal punishment. I don't see hell as a creation of a loving being. Your following statement calling your god various names doesn't constitute proof either. To your question what caused the big bang? I'm not afraid to admit I don't know- I wasn't there & I'm not a scientist. But saying, oh god did it is a lazy cop out. My person theory- the universe expands & contracts- rinse & repeat, ad nauseum.
utubepunk 5 days ago
he thinks he is smart by saying whats your proof your favorite ice cream is vinalla,first of all becuase it taste like vinalla its cold,its smooth and crushed ice with dairy and depending on the indivisual..they decide from the proof if they like it or not lol...now whats the proof about atheism...(cough) they have already said enough..there is no proof...i beleive rich is right...GOOD JOB RICH people like you still make me beleive in god and become my hero/brother/sister in life :D
SBeyond20 1 week ago
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@SBeyond20 "he thinks he is smart by saying whats your proof your favorite ice cream is vinalla,first of all becuase it taste like vinalla its cold,its smooth and crushed ice with dairy" Which is all proof of the texture and other attributes of the ice cream. It proves that the ice cream exists.
None of that prove you like vanilla ice cream. The only prove of that is you stating that,
Just like the only proof of a lack of belief in god is an atheists personal statement.
thomaseshuis 6 days ago
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@SBeyond20 "now whats the proof about atheism...(cough) they have already said enough..there is no proof." I see you are just as ignorant as shock.
thomaseshuis 6 days ago
The burden of proof is on theists. If I tell you there is a pixie at the end of my garden the burden is on me to prove it is there not for you to prove it isn't.
Shmoooooooooooooooo 1 week ago
lol "yes or no only plz" christian:"bla bla bla bla bla bla", the guy saying tha atheists were running from the debate, the guy who did not let the debate go on was the christian, and about a guy who goes from atheims to christianism just can't be taken serious, its too much contradiction in one single life
doggdoggy 1 week ago
Wow... the caller is obviously insane.
ihmesekoilua 1 week ago
every bodys wrong because you cant prove something that you cant experience
flubberflubby 1 week ago
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@flubberflubby "every bodys wrong because you cant prove something that you cant experience " You can actually.
Fossils, pictures, remnanants of cities and pottery are just a few examples of how we can prove certain things existed with out having been there.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
people may say he was interrupting and such, but he is right, he did make a joke of these guys on their show, if all they can say is they know that they are athiests? No shit thats why the run an athiest show, they didnt give any educated answer.
Penlerick 1 week ago
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@Penlerick "people may say he was interrupting and such, but he is right" He isn't, he's making a fallacious argument based on sophistry.
"if all they can say is they know that they are athiests" Because that's the only evidence for atheism there is.
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods, the only evidence for that is a persons statement that they lack a belief in gods.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
Please do not judge believers by this, for lack of a better word "Christian". He is asking for proof via facts of belief. Facts can change. I had two chickens: fact. I ate one. I don't have two chickens anymore. This guy wants atheists to prove truth without belief. From someone who professes no belief noless. I am pretty dumb, but I could have avoided that conundrum.
rickitickidicki 1 week ago
my god i want to punch this fucking retarded christian prick in the face. why does he keep asking him to prove atheism when he cant prove his own fucking religion? this is just pissing me off
binaryterror 1 week ago
@binaryterror looks like your a little upset that the radio speakers have no proof.
Penlerick 1 week ago
Why dose he need proof of nothing? Did jesus fly down and say hi to you no? so wheres your proof.
KINGCALLO 1 week ago
Haha good one
xochiltanielka123 1 week ago 2
I feel as though the caller made a valid point if all of you did not notice. Atheism is based off of faith. To simply say there is a lack of evidence is, if anything, incredibly lazy. If these radio hosts were knowledgeable, they could of at least used scientific data to support their claims. At least attempt to provide scientific findings that point toward the nonexistence of God.
djzaki 1 week ago
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@djzaki "I feel as though the caller made a valid point if all of you did not notice. Atheism is based off of faith." It isn't.
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods.
The reason for this lack of belief is irrelevant as it varies per person.
"To simply say there is a lack of evidence is' Only one of the possible reasons, not part of the definition of atheism.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
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@djzaki "If these radio hosts were knowledgeable, they could of at least used scientific data to support their claims." When they actually make claims, they do support them with scientific data. But atheism does not make the claim that gods do not exist.
It's just the absence of belief in gods.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
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@djzaki "At least attempt to provide scientific findings that point toward the nonexistence of God. " Nope, theists claim it/they exist, therefore they have the burden of proof.
Or do you need to prove there isn't a purple dinosaur in my room?
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
my god this guy is a moron...."whats the proof and evidance atheism is accurate and correct"...you are idiot
TheMrgreentoker420 1 week ago
The reason we have atheists is because there is no evidence or proof that God exists. Who wants to challenge me? Who wants to supply me proof and evidence that there is a God?
VAUSpace 1 week ago
This guy makes Christians look like ignorant assholes. Atheists don't need proof to prove that they don't believe in god. No religion needs proof for anything, because it's all based on opinion. I could say that I believe that the sun is a god. I have no proof, but I don't need any, because it's my opinion.
USalltheway96 1 week ago 3
@USalltheway96 The difference is if you say the sun is a god then I will say your god exists. I may have a problem accepting your claims that the sun does supernatural miracles, but we can prove that god exists. Most world religions make the statement that something exists but that we cannot test it, and that because we cannot test it, it must therefore exist. That statement is what we are asking them to prove. And because it is impossible to prove, there is no reason to accept it
FlyingPicklePeople 1 week ago
@USalltheway96 christians ARE ignorant assholes
michaelflorida56 1 week ago
@michaelflorida56 Well then you just called me an ignorant asshole. Most of the people I know are Christian, and they are the some of the smartest, most well rounded people I know.
USalltheway96 1 week ago
@michaelflorida56 says the guy on youtube calling people ignorant assholes.
Penlerick 1 week ago
@USalltheway96 Christianity is not a religion and its not an opinion.
John 14:6 Jesus says
I am the way the truth and the life no man comes to the father(God) but through me
Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved
Christianity is a relationship, and a faith in and with Jesus Christ
Jesus is lord and savior. Salvation is found in Christ not religion(Islam Buddhism, Catholicism, ect.)
JIX9ISLER1986 1 week ago
@JIX9ISLER1986 totally agreed! i hate it when chrisianity is refured to as a religion!
nathan122009 1 week ago
@JIX9ISLER1986 LOL. Sorry your belief system IS a religion. Please look @ oh I don't know, ANY dictionary. And using your bible to prove itself is an example of confirmation bias & circular logic. You won't find salvation in any dogmatic religion. So as for Acts 4:12- I'm sorry, your 10 commandments says nobody before god. Jesus just made himself an idol by violating a commandment. So do you have any proof for your fantastical beliefs / religion?
utubepunk 5 days ago
@utubepunk sure i do have proof check your inbox so you can see and read for yourself because your wrong
JIX9ISLER1986 5 days ago
Proof and evidence of atheism = No proof nor evidence of a god of any kind
AceofSpades513 1 week ago
this is so retarded..
MrMacorone 1 week ago
The Creator of everything is ONE, he is NOT 1 in 3 or 3 in one, he is not a dead man hanging on a stick shaped like a cross, or a fat china man sitting under a tree, he has no wife or children, he has no begening or end, he is Unlike Enything we can think of it emagin. Look for the truth it's out there for you to find.
ghs224 1 week ago
@ghs224 Buddha never claimed to a god. And it wasn't China, either. Sheesh. With statements like that its obvious you have no more real insight on a god (or any god) than anyone else.
utubepunk 1 week ago
moreover: noah ark. this shit takes the cake. EVEN USS NIMITZ super aircraft carrier, a marvel of modern engineering with displacement of 100 000tons COULD NOT accommodate two of each species on it yet alone some shitty boat that some peasant noah may have built (stress is on "if he built it)
to put it short: if the bible (or koran or torah all is pretty much same shit) is word of god and as we saw the bible is FALSE (hence koran & torah are false too) then stuff in them NEVER HAPPENED. fuck
Archy11102 1 week ago
ok so people want proof that atheism is correct. lets use that source those religious christians draw faith from the bible. read genesis and you'll see it's full of incorrect info. 2 stories about mankind, not all seed from plants is edible as it says (many are poisonous for humans), if god is omnipotent why he rested on 7th day (god got tired?). there are many more inaccuracies. if you want proof that religion is false and that there can be no god just read the fucking bible cover to cover. -.-
Archy11102 1 week ago
@Archy11102 Not a xtian, but they have all these mental gymnastics to answer your questions. Not all seeds are edible because the fall of man. Once mankind was kicked out of the garden of Eden, that's when everything changed. Repent or burn forever by a loving god! Resting on the 7the day? No idea what'd they say other than god can do what he wants? Too bad most fundies don't read the bible. That is one immoral, genocidal, insecure god they're worshiping!
utubepunk 1 week ago
I dont think he failed he did answer atheism is not a religion it is a lack to beleive in a God a higher power. In my opinion I think the man answered the question. i am a Christian myself so I am not bagging on the Rich guy but he kept going after he answered the damn question.
tuner513 1 week ago
shockofgod never listens to one word anyone says. how is it possible to prove a negative. what an arshole.
moggy041279 1 week ago
This caller has a fundamental misunderstanding of what 'theism' and 'atheism' mean.
He is just trying to engage in a semantic argument.
The show hosts answered on spot. Just as the hosts would not be able to show proof of evidence for the lack of Santa Claus existence - they would not be able to show evidence that there are no gods.
epoxyresin 1 week ago
God this guy is stupid.
Alphacaliber 1 week ago
What I find Hilarious! (as the title implies) is that this shocking display of ignorance is posted by a xtian uploader thinking it somehow proves his point and makes atheists look bad. Not to often do see or hear someone embrace ignorance so heartily as to flaunt it.
utubepunk 2 weeks ago
There is no such thing as a God, the universe is over 13 billion years old, the universe is expanding due to the fact that can be proved via using redshift of the expanding universe that proves that their is a point of where it all started commonly known as the big bang... There is proof that their is evolution due to the fact that they have found the last remains that peices the whole story of evolution from the start to us, homosapiens...
MsFreighttrain 2 weeks ago
You can't prove a negative. You can't prove cold exists. You can prove or disprove heat but cold isn't a thing. It's the absence of a thing. You can prove or disprove theism. You can not, however, prove or disprove atheism. It's like trying to measure dark. You can't do it. Many, many people have disproved your faith. They may not have proven atheism but if they disprove your God and he does not exist, you can only logically believe in a lack of God (or atheism). Your challenge is flawed.
BravoGorilla 2 weeks ago
I want to kill this fucker.
chinopisces 2 weeks ago
Why does this stupid Christian keep interrupting.
charvelgtrs 2 weeks ago
This guy is a blithering moron. He never stops talking long enough to get destroyed . Smart on his part as he is a feeble minded little troll. Fucking idiot.
bernieclem 2 weeks ago
If I tell someone I can fly, what are they going to say? "PROVE IT!" Now it is up to me to prove it, not the other way around. So if I tell someone that God exists, it is up to me to prove it, not the other way around.
idontgotnothin 2 weeks ago
The problem here is that the guy doesn't understand what atheism is, he's looking for an answer to a question that doesn't make sense. The guy on the radio answers it correctly. Atheism isn't a religion or a certain belief, atheism is a lack of belief in a god, hence the word a-theism. Atheists believe in different theories to why the earth came to be, there are no unanimous theory that all atheists share, therefore it's not a religion.
rourin 2 weeks ago 7
what makes me feel sick is the blindness of the christian guy. Its literally making me feel sick .
He really doesn't understand what atheism is. He really doesn't understand the basic logic.
He really doesn't accept any answer if he doesn't like it . I would like to ask all Christians a non religious question: What prove or evidence do they have that time machine does not exist ? Give me your answer by replying to my comment.
carlover 2 weeks ago
@carlover That has nothing to do with God a time machine could exist but it wouldnt disprove God. I think though time travel will never happen for the power you would need to break the barrier would have to be immence so that will most likely remain in the sc fi section. God bless.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 You misunderstood the question. I just put it another way: Your little child thinks their is a ghost under her/his bed and wont sleep. Would a proper response be "I cannot prove there's not a monster there. Therefor its most likely its real!"
NO, this is not sane reasoning! Nevertheless a sound foundationen for a beleif that guides your life and includes a worldview.
Can you prove there is not a shy fire monster in a volcano? Why dont you start a religion based on that instead?
mattann81 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 so you have no prove or evidence that time machine does not exist ?
carlover 2 weeks ago
@carlover Like I said your question has no barring on ones soul just your preoccupation with the BTTF movies. A time machine wouldnt disprove God what about that dont you get? Anyway Farewell and Godbless.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 typical christian, not answering the question, irrelevant stuff to my question. See what i did there ? Being ignorant and not understanding your answer. But, there is a point behind my silly question. If you can not prove that time machine does not exist , because it does not that does not mean that it exist. SAME is with the caller and his point about the god! You can not prove that something which does not exist, does not exist. It exists if you Can prove it!
carlover 2 weeks ago
@carlover And the religion has no prove that jesus, god or any of biblical characters exist. Not a single one.
carlover 2 weeks ago
@carlover Do you see what you did you trapped yourself because you are saying that he could exist. Lol. To God be the glory. First law of thermodynamics states that energy can not be created or destroyed. So it is eternal. Hmm. Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah. I am that I am.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 "First law of thermodynamics states that energy can not be created or destroyed. So it is eternal. Hmm. Where have I heard that before?"
Again, open an actual science book about thermodynamics, you show great ignorance on this topic.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 How have i trapped myself ? Look carefully what i said.
I said that we prove things exist by evidence. We don't prove something does not exist with evidence. Lack of evidence states something does not exist. By the way , you should open a book about thermodynamics and look what it really is . That only shows how shallow your understanding of things around you is .
carlover 2 weeks ago
@carlover No lack of evidence doesnt always prove something doesnt exist that jst means at that time you dont have enought evidence for a clear answer. You did by you logic admit that God could exist and in the first law is says that energy cant be created nor destroyed so I ask you why cant that eternal energy be God? Why would that bother you so?
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
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@billywarren22 "and in the first law is says that energy cant be created nor destroyed so I ask you why cant that eternal energy be God? Why would that bother you so?" Because you fail to understand what the first law of thermodynamics is and the implications of it.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
@carlover No use, carlover. You're trying to make a xtian troll think for himself- without the bible blinders. I called him out for worshiping such a vile, immoral, hypocritical, genocidal god (based on the very bible he uses to condemn others). All he does is declare a self-victory & retreats, probably thinking he earned Jebus points.He probably gives himself bonus pts wagging his finger & saying, don't say I didn't warn you. People like him is what drove me away from xtianity.
utubepunk 2 weeks ago
@utubepunk You are right. I think im going to give up on trying to explain him the basic logic. Since he really does do what you said! But the amount of blindness and ignorance surprise me every time.
carlover 2 weeks ago
@carlover You know you say the simpliest logic now which is easier to believe that blind chance without guidance created a universe with laws or that a being of such profound knowledge and forsight created said universe. God. As it goes the simpliest answer is usually the right one. You all claim that the God answer is the simple fall back position so you do the math. I energy cant be created or destroyed that would make it eternal so is it possible that could be the energy signature of God?
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@utubepunk God is holy and can put any of us to death for our crimes. You want a God who will bow to your whim and let you do what you want well sorry God isnt a eternal Grandfather saying heres a quarter sonny, No he is holy and devine and you as i are wretched sinners. Harsh yes but true. I dont need to obtain victory its already there in Christ. Anyway we will have to agree to disagree.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 Your god is holy & divine? Prove it. According to the bible, he's pretty inept. You should stop putting words in my mouth. I don't want god or any other fictional being (santa, wendigo, etc) to bow to my whim. Your words are harsh, but haven't proven to be true. Obtain victory? Are you playing a football game? I will agree you haven't provided any shred of evidence to back up any of your claims.
utubepunk 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 Poor Billy. Once his illogical & specious reasoning is called out & questioned, he pulls the Farewell & Godbless. You'd think he would have prayed for an airtight, unbeatable, absolutely convincing argument to prove the existence of his deity. Alas, all he can do is resort to circular logic & personal "proof" which doesn't prove his god any truer than any other god. Billy, it was Popeye the Sailor who said I yam what I yam! Such a statement is surely divine!
utubepunk 2 weeks ago
@utubepunk No i do think and to look at the vastness of the universe and to think chance that is what is absurd. Now if energy is eternal as the first law thermodynamic states it possibe that energy is God.?
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 Hey, about time you got around to incoherently & incorrectly started citing the first law of thermodynamics as proof of god. Sometimes I wish it was Darwin that developed that law- it would leave xtians in a twisted conniption! So now you worship the electrical socket by saying god is energy? Nice! Go discuss your theory with a physicist so they can properly educate you.
utubepunk 2 weeks ago
@utubepunk No thats what the first law states that energy can not be created or destroyed so by LOGIC something that cant be created or destroyed but exist would make it eternal right. So my question is to you why cant that be God? What is it about the concept of God that bothers you so? If you dont believe why waster your time talking about something you dont think is real? See the fact that Gods name is on your lips leads to believe youre not so cinvinced of atheism though you so want it
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 Correction: your concept of god bothers me. Energy as you say does not describe what you think / believe is god. Now you're a mind reader, too? Xtians claiming they have god's power- that's downright blasphemous! I didn't say there isn't any good, just unlikely that your version of god exist. Shifting sands? Oh, that's rich coming from a religion that stoned children & gay ppl along with other immoral & stupid laws. Sorry- you have no moral high ground over anyone.
utubepunk 2 weeks ago
@utubepunk Mecy could be shown when a punishment such as stoning was mentioned that showed the extent of the sin so that when mercy was given it was sweeter than Honey. Besides Im nit under moasic law but the law of grace which is not a licence to sin but a way to flee it and cling to the cross. Homsexuality is not natural if all animals suddenly went homsexual the species would die out so it is deviation of nature a corruption. I never said I have Gods power but I have victory in Christ
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 last remark and we will leave it at that take the fossil record and those pesky missing links there would have to be millions of them for each creature would stay in a form for quite a while and leave their remains and be that in this time there is about 2 million forms of life on earth times that bu those of those past creatures the earth would flooded with fossils and quess what where are they? So as I said lets leave at that and move on.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 SO reassuring to know that a few ppl were spared from stoning. The fact it was their law (god's law) at the time shows the cruelty in him. Women wearing a cloth of more than 1 fabric! Such an abomination before god! See if you were under mosiac law, you'd be trying to convince us how great stoning & other forms of torture are because god endorses it! Good to know you ignore the 10 commandments, tho. You have certainly inferred omniscience in many posts.
utubepunk 2 weeks ago
@utubepunk I dont ignore the ten commandements Jesus fulfilled all rituals and such so that I dont have to work for salvation. So that I can Gods work with all assurance of my place in heaven. The fabric thing was another way to show the hebrews as well as other old testament rituals their need of a saviour. Christ did not come to destroy but to fulfill the law. The ten commandments though part of the law are also seperate for they came into the new covenant not as a yoke but as freedom to have
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 Ah, you ignore & rationalize the silly / immoral parts of the OT. You're a believer in 1 religion among thousands. You don't know. When science & evidence disagrees with your biblical worldview you attack it without evidence to support your claims. When cornered, you have the same response to me & thomaseshuis- you tell us we don't have common sense and run away. I'll have to remember that the fabric law is there to show a need for a savior. Gold! Comedy gold.
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk There are no immoral parts its God bestowing justice like I said all have sinned against a Holy God. Thats your real issue you dont want a holy God you want a lack luster spineless limp wristed God who will just let everything slide.No, he is the judge whether you like it or not but through Jesus you can be cleansed and have your record erased but thats your choise.You have become nothing more than a troll even after I have agreed to disagree see your respomse should have been
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 I didn't realize innocent babies need justice bestowed upon them in the form of death. Your god is immoral because his actions are immoral. He is certainly not pro-life. Again, you ascribe yourself with divine omniscience by pretending to know what god I want. Stop making these silly statements & obviously you're not listening. Calling you on your arrogance isn't trolling. BTW- No other god before me, but I have to go thru Jesus? Yet another contradiction!
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk that even though you disagree that we can peacefully oc-exist so it is not I who is running but I am leaving someone who is clearly trying to convince himself no God for the love of sin and decides to troll. So I will not respond and I will leave you to your devices so God bless and farewell.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 Sigh. More xtian nonsense. I have no proof that your god even exists, so NO I am not convincing myself that he doesn't exist. You make yourself look really bad when you say these simple-minded things. Asking you to prove your statements isn't trolling. Telling someone who doesn't agree with you that they lack common sense & really know god exists when clearly they don't is trolling. Is it really that hard to understand or do you enjoy being obtuse? Yes, pls go now.
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk One your argument of I have no proof that Your God exist you have to admit on that statement that you dont have proof he doesnt exist. Second Jesus is God so no contradiction. Father,son,holy spirit three yet one. You are a trinity not devine but three in the one. mind,body and soul. Babies die due to sin and the corrupted creation. Now I have offered you a out by saying we will have to agree to disagree but you keep knocking on my door.. God even said professing to be wise they
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 1- You're making the claims, so you must provide the proof. Many other ppl have pointed this out to you. Burden is on you. 2- Jesus is god? So jesus prays to himself? If jesus was god, then he wasn't a man. Believing in more than 1 god is polytheism. Trinity was invented much later after the bible. 3- I don't need an out as you have not provided a shred of evidence to support your claims. You're giving yourself an out. Another verse that makes you feel better.
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk are fools. Now I will ofer an olive branch of peace and say if you dont beleive in God why continue to come to my door, if you dont believe then why not just move on? So I will discontinue communication for you and wish you the best and God bless.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 Look @ this thread. Littered with you making all these claims & you either dishonestly answer questions, tell ppl they don't have common-sense or give a jab insult & bid farewell, leaving their questions unanswered. Doesn't convince anyone but yourself. You're not helping your cause. Here's why I bother- because I use to be & think like you. I see the same holier-than-thou arrogance in u that I use to believe. So may the true gods of Zeus, Odin & FSM bless YOU sir.
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk a society to live in harmony with each other but God as well.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 I like how you use a bible verse to call me a fool & then say you offer an olive branch. LOL! D move, bro. D move. I never claimed to be wise- you're claiming to have all the answers, except of course when reality & things like facts don't agree with your bible. Then you resort to the bible verses that make you feel better about being called out. History full of religious ppl NOT co-existing w/ their fellow man. Which is why your thinking is dangerous & sickens me.
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk who has the power. I am his servant and he is my master. Now lets just agree to diagree like two adults we have both shared out thought and now we can both move on and so I wish you all the best and God bless and farewell.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 I am still waiting for you to prove that there are absolute moral laws...
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
@thomaseshuis Rape, murder, kidnapping, etc I could go on but it seems to me that you are just trying to justify something in your life. So I am done with you for you clearly dont have common sense. So God bless farewell and move on.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago in playlist Shockofgod calls into Atheist Radio show, Parts: 1/ more
@billywarren22 "Rape, murder, kidnapping, etc" Are evidence of these things occur and support the idea that there are no universal moral laws.
"I could go on but it seems to me that you are just trying to justify something in your life." I'm not. That's you. You keep asserting this without evidence.
I am not trying to justify anything I'm just asking you to support your claim with evidence. Something which any honest person would do. You have failed to do so.
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@thomaseshuis I love that every time you respond you write exactly what I sat back these acts such as murder, rape , kidnapping weaken a societ and can even destroy it but I thought you had enough common sense to put that together yourself but on that I was wrong. I hope you never have children if you think rape or kidnapping isnt absloutley wrong cuz you would a coward of a Father. Now goodbye and God bless I am wasting energy on you when there are those who have common sense.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 "I love that every time you respond you write exactly what I sat back" You really don't realise I do this to show which parts of your comments I am actually responding to?
"weaken a societ and can even destroy it" That does not make it wrong though, impractical, not wrong.
"but I thought you had enough common sense" Argument from ignorance is still a logical fallacy, no matter how many times you regurgitate it.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@billywarren22 "I hope you never have children if you think rape or kidnapping isnt absloutley wrong cuz you would a coward of a Father." Straw-man attack and ad-hominem in one. Congratulations you just managed to combine two logically asinine and flawed arguments into one.
Now how about some evidence for universal moral laws?
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@thomaseshuis No you simply do that like a child throwning a temper tantrum its more annoying. Again rape as impractical wow as the a rape victim was her rape wrong or just impractical and Im sure she would slap the taste out of your mouth and rightly so. Rape rocks a woman right down to her souls and her families and friends and even her community. S o rape is absolutly wrong. this is what atheism is no standard no right or wrong just indifference. My mom was raped should i mom your rape was
billywarren22 1 week ago in playlist Shockofgod calls into Atheist Radio show, Parts: 1/ more
@billywarren22 "No you simply do that like a child throwning a temper tantrum its more annoying." Look you can lie to yourself all you want, but don't try to presume to know my motivation. Or else support evidence for such ludicrous ad-hominem attacks.
"S o rape is absolutly wrong." I already know your opinion. I am still waiting for you to prove that rape is a universal moral concept.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@billywarren22 "this is what atheism is no standard no right or wrong just indifference." Non-sequitur and straw-man argument.
Atheism is not a religion nor a philosophy. That's like saying Stamp collecting offers no right or wrong, just indifference.
And your fallacious arguments still don't prove your claim.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@billywarren22 "impractical.My mom was raped should i mom your rape was " You should tell her that you feel for her and that you THINK it is wrong.
"Her rape was disgusting, vile and evil.` As I said, I already know your opinions and I FEEL the same. But you have failed to prove that rape has a universal meaning and condemnation.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@thomaseshuis impractical. NO! Her rape was disgusting, vile and evil. You sir are the one making a fool of himself and if you do marry or are married please if God forbid your wife is being or is raped please dont say my wifed rape is impractical. It is vile and your wife should slap the stupid out of ya. This is where we part you can have the last word here for God will have the last word in eternity. God bless and farewell.
billywarren22 1 week ago in playlist Shockofgod calls into Atheist Radio show, Parts: 1/ more
@billywarren22 `and if you do marry or are married please if God forbid your wife is being or is raped please dont say my wifed rape is impractical.` I won´t. Stop positing the same stupid straw-man over and over again.
I THINK rape is wrong, I do not know however that it is a universal law as you claim.
In many cultures the age of marriage/sex is different. You have failed to prove your case.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@billywarren22 "It is vile and your wife should slap the stupid out of ya. This is where we part you can have the last word here for God will have the last word in eternity. God bless and farewell."
Except you have only regurgitated the same asinine fallacies and personal opinions.
You have failed to prove the existence of universal laws. And since you also failed to prove the existence of your god, your veiled threat is also meaningless.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@thomaseshuis Wrong, it's called free will, that's why these things happen.
sidfu2 1 week ago
@sidfu2 Which point of mine exactly, are you arguing against?
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
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@billywarren22 "So I am done with you for you clearly dont have common sense."
Saying something is common sense or fact does not make it so. You have to provide actual evidence.
"So God bless farewell and move on." In other words you still have no way to either support your case or refute my arguments so you dismiss them out of hand and run for the hills.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
@thomaseshuis Who called it?? :)
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk You did!
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@utubepunk to be true. See in atheism there is no absloute right or wrong just indifference. You have no solid moral ground just the shifting sands. You can see yourself as a cosmic accident but I see you as designed with purpose and value. On that we will have to agree to disagree. God is there. You can hide under the warm blanket of evolution but one day God will remove it and you will be in cold air of reality of a very real God. Science cant even come close to the face of God so whatdo you
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@utubepunk you say with what is still a very limited understanding of the universe say since God cant be put into a simple little box he cant be real but God is too big for your puny little box. You can laugh at me I can take it after the Lord said you will hted for my name sake and remember when the worlds hates you it hated me first. So I will leave you now and say lets agree to disagree. God bless and farewell.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 So we have a limited understanding of the universe, which I'm fine with admitting but Billy Warren has it ALL figured out. You even know what god thinks & feels. Amazing! You disagree with all the scientist who have proved evolution becuz of what an ancient copy of a copy of a book tells you. You'd rather believe myth than evidence & facts. Yes, the bible did say you would be mocked. Shocking- believe crazy, unprovable things & people will call you on it. Duh & derp
utubepunk 2 weeks ago
The question is totally retarded from the start. Equally retard question ta answer as for a psychiarist to try to convince an insane that requires EVIDENCE or PROOF that the invisible man is not present in the room!
Religion equals insanity. If not clear already, it should be even more clear by this.
mattann81 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 So you do believe that there are absolutes so you have proven my point for me. See it doesnt matter what man says or the culture wrong is wrong period. Just look at this culture its falling apart thats all the proof I need. Unlike you Im not afraid to say something is wrong no matter what the culture says for Gods ways are higher and he will have the last word. BTW atheism is a world view since in your mind this whole thing is but a fluke and we are but a cosmic joke.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 Im sorry I sent this to you by mistake I do apologize my computer has been acting up. Im sorry again.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 Religion yes is absurd but truth isnt and God is all about truth.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 Well which god to start with? Allah, Shiva, Ra (the sun god) Why not some norse gods from my region like "Thor"? All from religions reflecting the current society and with gods and myths mirroring the societys values.
Like in a example in the old books, slaughtering a whole people for getting ther nerves stimulated by a same-gender, consent person was reasonable. Today that is a monster, a psychopat or sick despot.
Born in Irak, would your mind defend islam instead? probably.
mattann81 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 I follow Jesus Christ who died for my sins.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 One man takes all "sins" in the world and dies for them? Creepy idea, how could it make sense to you? Says nothing of accuracy, right? I come from a country where people in general do not believe in gods, ghosts and angels and stuff like that. It might be hard for you to imagine how wierd things like that sounds from an outside perspective, sorry for that.
But on the other hand, if you really think that story is true. Why care anymore? Have fun, enjoy your "free" deal of sins! :)
mattann81 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 jesus wasnt a mere man he was in fact God himself and his death wasnt too free us to sin our little hearts out but that we can be made right with God. God is still God even in your country hes God in all the universe. God is Holy and sin can not stand in his presence only perfection. So he came in the form of Jesus and went to a gruesome death to bare the weight of Gods wrath. No mere man could do this youre right but he wasnt a mere man but God. In order to reap from this wonderful
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 gift you must repent(turn from sin) and pick up your cross and follow him. Now that doesnt mean we cant have fun but we now seek that glorifies him and not the flesh or Satan. Look at yourself in Gods mirror(ten commandments) are you "good"? Have u lied,stolen,lusted if so you as I are not worthy of heaven but of Hell but thats where the cross comes in and if you repent trust and obey Jesus as Lord you will be saved. Christianity isnt a religion but a relationship with God.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 Man, if you have extraordinary claims you have to have at least ordinary evidence for your sake. You certainly need that here. Saying "was in fact" is not fact and you probably know that perfectly well. Get out of your dreams n fantasies and tell the hard facts.
By the way, have you gone deep into islam? If already beleive in prophets and angels, why not? A more consequent religion I would say (if something profoundly irrational as religion can be rational) but quite scary moral.
mattann81 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 I have gone deep into Islam and thats not of the one true God. Look up extra biblical accounts of Jesus and Chrisitanity and they will be those who were not Christians.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 The moslims says the same thing about you. They say you have a corrupt religion and that your concept god-son-spirit is totally contradictionary. How should I know what fairytale with holly men and angels that is true?
mattann81 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 Look up Acts17apolgetics on youtube and they will explain that better than I for some of them are former muslims. Christianity isnt a mere religion but a relationship with God through Jesus. Muslims are never sure if they have pleased Allah enough the truth says we couldnt die our sin that seperates us and in islam they have to earn Allahs favor. Truth is we could never do so for the as for mention sin that seperates us. As the child analogy good try but two things
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 one yes the child could just have an over actine imagination or they are seeing something. It could be a monster which is really a demon playing tricks or an angel to watch over them. My mother as a child saw two angels herself as she played outside on a swingset. In Islam a true muslim is to kill a non muslim or infadel to please Allah in Christianity we are to pray and love our neighbors and be an example of Christ to them. Chrsit died for the unjust. Allah would never offer that.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 Billy, you obviously live in a fantasy world. When is it time to grow up? Your reasoning for chistianity over islam says nothing about accuracy.
Non of my questions have been answered with logic arguments. It is troubling to see how mentally disabling religion is. It is not about you, guess you are just indoctrinated, but the religion.
Being raised without religion or other superstition I can consider any religion freely and trust me, they dont make any sense. None of them.
mattann81 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 Religion is wrong truth isnt. Jesus is truth not religion even he confronted the religious establishment. All of us have sinned. Have you lied,stolen(doesnt matter the value of the item) lusted these are sins and seperate you from God. Jesus is God in human form and died so that if you repent and trust you will be saved. Now its your choice see you have the reigion o that is man centered I have the one that is God centered.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 Ok. 1. Jesus might have existed we dont know for sure. Were many "messiahs" at the time & it was a long time ago, we cant say anything with certainty at this day. 2. You said before you beleive in god, angels, demons, a gods son. Belief in supernaturals is called religion, what else? 3. Last chance now, why is it a truth? Leave the praising, its doesnt make any sense to me as I havent been presented any god reasons to beleive in your invisible spirits or your biblical monster- god
mattann81 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 One God is not a monster he is devine and science had said that energy cannot be created or destroyed so its eternal well as I said Could that energy be God?The universe didnt sprout from nothing but came from something. yes one part of the defintion of religion is belief in God but the other is to think one self can earn salvation thats what I hate cuz no one can Jesus hinself said there are none amoung you that are good. Other faiths teach that one can earn salvation while
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@mattann81 Christianity states that no matter how much "good" you may do if you still live in sin you are seperated from God. There is actual proof that Jesus walked this Earth and alot from non chrisitians of his day. God is holy and doesnt need your or my approval so yes he can put me, or you to death for our crimes(sins) now this is not what youre looking for but its truth. what you do with it is your choice. Farewell and Godbless.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 It seems to be that matter is a form av energy and that it cannot be destroyed. If you can all everything that exist "god" I guess you are a pantheist but I see no reason for denomination then, why not just call it Everything or the Universe? However this doesnt give support for the biblical record of jesus as god's son and your despotic god, sins etc. Historically we dont not if jesus existed. I was about 100 human generations ago. Most religions have holly gods btw, no argument.
mattann81 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 "Look up extra biblical accounts of Jesus and Chrisitanity and they will be those who were not Christians." Except those are all based on hear say as they are written decades after jesus died.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
@thomaseshuis You know whats funny the bio of aleander the great wasnt written until 500 years after his death and yet we hold it in high regarde and oh yeah the Bible says It is the fool who says there is no God. So God has called you a fool.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 So you also prove other scripture that there will be mockers and that you will be hated for my namesake. So thanks for proving my faith. God bless and goodbye.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
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@billywarren22 "So you also prove other scripture that there will be mockers and that you will be hated for my namesake. So thanks for proving my faith. God bless and goodbye. "
You really think you religion is the only one who claims that. Wow you're even more ignorant then I thought. No wonder you fail at basic logic and fail to prove any of your claims.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
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@billywarren22 "You know whats funny the bio of aleander the great wasnt written until 500 years after his death and yet we hold it in high regarde"
Four things:
1. People who lived with Alexander wrote diaries and memoires, during that period.
2. The people writing about Alexander referenced these same memoires.
The documents about jesus are never accompanies by references to written sources from that time.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 3. There is archeological evidence to back it up, like the burning of the palace at Persepolis.
4. No historian claims that Alexander was the son of god or performed miracles.
"oh yeah the Bible says It is the fool who says there is no God."
Please, why christians keep using this moronic argument?
Every religions says this about people not believing it. It proves nothing.
"So God has called you a fool.` Only when you can prove his existence, until then you did.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
@thomaseshuis Look at yourself in the mirro theres your proof. irst law of thermodynamics states that energy can not be created or destroyed that is is eternal hey thats sounds like God when he said I am the beiginning and the end I am the first and the last I am the alpha and the omega. He is the eternal energy of the universe. I foyu dont beleive why evne waste your time here by your stand wouldnt you be wasting you time if this is all there is. Hmm think on that, God bless
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 "Look at yourself in the mirro theres your proof." It only proves I am reflected in the mirror. It does not proof creation, that's circular reasoning.
"irst law of thermodynamics states" Read an actual science book about the first law of thermodynamics. The fact that you think it proves creationism shows you fail to understand it.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
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@billywarren22 "I foyu dont beleive why evne waste your time here by your stand wouldnt you be wasting you time if this is all there is." Because Christians and theists try to enforce their make belief rules on me. I want to learn where they come from.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
@thomaseshuis You're wasting your time on this xtian troll. I took him to task on another video, pointing out all the contradictions & inaccuracies in the bible, the evil in his religion & the immorality of his god. He actually stopped posting to my replies. He's demonstrated nearly every logical fallacy there is. After he's done pooping in a thread & getting called on it, he declares victory & runs away like a coward he is. Billy- at least form a coherent, original argument!
utubepunk 2 weeks ago
@utubepunk True, but that won't stop me from pointing out his stupidity.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
@thomaseshuis LOL. True enough. You can lead a fundamentalist to truth & reason, but you can't make him think. ;)
utubepunk 2 weeks ago
@utubepunk Exactly.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
You should have asked for proof and evidence that god DOES NOT exist, not just proof or evidence and atheism is accurate, thats why there kept saying because they beleive its true. If you asked that im sure theey would have been bum fucked. Because they have no proof or evidence that god is not real. And when you ask them for facts or whatever and they reply by asking you the same. its a coward move.
RecklessXI 2 weeks ago
Of course it's as impossible to give proof that God DON'T exist as God DO exist. Atheism looks at fact we can get and draws the conclusion that God don't exist
steswe 2 weeks ago
no like or dislike bar. Damn. I don't even think ShockofGod ever was an atheist, I think he probably uses that as an excuse or something. "Proof" of atheism lies in a mentality, at least it does for me. I guess if you treat atheism like a religion, you'd ask for proof of it. Not like he'd walk up to a paleontologist and ask him or her to "prove" that the fossils are real. Or to an astronomer and ask him or her to "prove" that the night sky isn't really just a blanket with holes in it.
Zomgtforly 2 weeks ago
Why does shockofgod think, that not understanding something means, that he won the debate?
HeilLoki 2 weeks ago
soooo this is just basically a christian saying i believe believe in god, you don't so why don't you believe in god. give me facts on why you don't believe in having a god cause if the next word out of your mouth isnt what i want to hear then you are wrong
icasaracht1 2 weeks ago
Problem is the bible has been amended, re-written and had inaccurate translations since the time if was first written; religion was (and still is today) a power that men (and now women) had and I'm sure would exaggerate (or maybe even fabricate?) certain 'miracles' to turn people to 'their' religion. The amount of contradictions, inaccurate information and vague passages in Holy scripture shows this was the work of humans, with human ideas (Old and New Testament).
green834721 2 weeks ago
Aethiests do not believe in god, which means they dont have any proof that God exists, they are like christian who do believe in god, much agreed with him saying, we like vanilla ice cream you cannot prove that they dont, Aethiests need more proof than just the bible they want to see it with their own eyes not just read about it. There are soooo many religions that are like that, no visual proof NOT INCLUDING BOOKS they dont believe in it.
nuff said
Mcflapphypants 2 weeks ago
the message you are sending to people is that atheists should be laughed at. why are christians laughing at people?
Monolithiam 2 weeks ago
What a moron.
Fille3133 2 weeks ago
its like telling someone that you enjoy a good b.j. and then they tell you "no you don't". ahaha. Whatever the case may be, we are here and thats it. Do we have "souls" and if so, when we die do they go to heaven or hell? Is there a heaven or hell? Do u really want to risk it and find out later there is such a higher power? And do you really wanna worry about other people and aggitate and frustrate them because you believe in God and they dont? whats the point of that? That's not christianlike
MrBrandonhurst2008 2 weeks ago
so basicly cut the other person off and say u win got it :)
636tanner931 3 weeks ago
I wonder if he realizes that the burden of prof is on theists, not atheists. It's always on the affirmative side. It's like asking for proof there are no unicorns
apatrick0516 3 weeks ago
@apatrick0516 No both arguments are the affirmantive because the atheist say that their belief is true so they to have the burden of proof. All we believers need to prove there is a God is right outside your window.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
This guy, ShockOfGod, is so stupid and idiotic, and hilariously idiotic. Yes, I said stupid, idiotic, and hilariously idiotic. He asks the question of "where's the proof?" but when he gets asked the questio