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  • absolutely awful live just like his non piangere lui god knows how he is mentioned with the greats without a micro phone he is weak an awfully strained

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  • sounds stressed and strangled

  • @David45NV1 Wow...really??  This is great singing?

  • @vivadomingo1 unfortunately no, not at all! far far far away from beeing great singing!. Just listen to Corelli, Aragall and Pavarotti and you will notice how this aria sounds like when sung by tenors singing with an open throat. Domingo sings with an open mouth but not with an open throat.

  • @David45NV1 You can't compare Placido on this role with Pavarotti and Aragall even because they never sung this role on their carriers. I agree about the high B at the end of the piece but you must consider the whole opera and he was one of the best Calaf's of his time. Singing in a studio or in a concert with microphone is much easier than at Scala's stage in a live peformance specially on this very dificult role.

  • @eghissoni What you mean with "his time"? Giacomini, Martinucci, Bonisolli, Pavarotti (who sung the role starting in the 70s, in London) ...etc were far better than Domingo and more reliable. . Regarding Aragall, he is one of the the best examples (Pavarotti and Kraus are other ones) how a voice with open throat sounds like. I am worried about the unexperienced audience thinking Domingo's singing is good singing. He is a good entertainer and a GREAT salesman that is all.

  • @David45NV1 Share this performance of Pavarotti and we can compare if he really was a better Calaf than Domingo. If Placido is a good entertainer Luciano was what? Check his last CD called "Te adoro" and review your argoments about entertainment. I'm talking about Turandot as the drama by Puccini not about a piece or a high B that you considered not great singing. Turandot requires spinto or dramatic tenors which Pavarotti, Aragall and Kraus even with extraordinary voices weren't able to perform

  • @eghissoni Pavarotti sung Turandot with Caballe at least in London and SF. The fact that there might not be any live recording of those performances doesn't mean Domingo is better. If you want a live comparisson with singers of "his time" just listen to Giacomini (Paris, 1981), Martinucci in the Arena di Verona, Galouzine (Madrid, 1998), Cecchele (Monte Carlo 1979), Lavirgen (Teatro San Carlo di Napoli). Those are all real tenors far better than Domingo not only in this role.

  • @David45NV1 Pavarotti recorded Turandot with Caballè, there is no register of a live performance on stage. Do you want me to compare their nessun dorma's or the whole opera? Of course there are and there were many other great singers. The only thing I can't agree with you is your argoment about he is far far far from great singing. This is a overstatement. He has a limited extension but he is one of the greatest artists of the century. On the stage he really knows how to combine singing and act.

  • @eghissoni if you want to satisfy your curiosity you can call the ROH and the SF Opera, they will tell you.The most important for a tenor are his high tones, otherwise the tenor would not exist. A tenor without high tones can not be considered to be a great singer if singer equals tenor. If artist equals entertainer then I agree with you, he was one of the greatest last Century. On the stage he knows how to sell himself. He plays always Domingo, regardless the role he is singing.

  • @David45NV1 Watch this interview of Aragall at youtube.com/watch?v=fL1sepOL3O­8 and see by yourself that he assumes his voice is not suitable to perform the role of Calaf even after be invited for that. Jaume has the most beautiful tenor timbre I ever heard, what do you think?

  • @eghissoni I also consider Aragall's timbre as the most beautiful I have heard. Despite Aragall’s voice and technique are far superior than Domingo’s, he rejected the invitation to sing Calaf at the reinauguration of the Liceu, because he didn’t consider his voice appropriate for the role. That shows humility and respect for the Opera, both characteristics Domingo does not have. To be fair, just compare Domingo’s nessun dorma recording with Aragall’s one. That answers everything.

  • @David45NV1 If you are talking about studio recording, the one of Placido with Berlin Philarmonic conducted by Karajan is anthologic and the best one in my opinion.

  • @eghissoni you chose the bad example. In that recording Domingo's voice had to be processed electronically to make it sound somehow acceptable. Fact is, Karajan never did another recording with Domingo again but he took Carreras instead, with whom he recorded most Operas after that experience. Sorry, but no matter how much you write, it will not make Domingo's voice sound better.

  • @David45NV1 All studio recordings normally are processed by remastering, this is not an argoment to increase or dicrease a singer. Decca, Gramophone and many others can produce results never imagined by the audience. Sorry, but how much you try it will not make Domingo as a bad singer.

  • @eghissoni it is up to you to believe Domingo is a great singer, Millions of people believe Paul Potts is too. Most of them have never attended an Opera in their lifes. In your comment you are missing the point which is the fact Karajan replaced Domingo with Carreras for further recordings such as Aida, Tosca, Carmen, Don Carlo, Requiem. I don't consider Domingo to be a bad singer, (he is just average) and I don't have to make him bad, he takes care of that himself.

  • @David45NV1 You missed the point since the begining of your comment saying that Pavarotti and Aragall were better than Placido in Turandot. Regarding Karajan, it was up to him to call Carreras. Chance to Abbado, Solti, Kleiber, Levine and many others who had a incredible oportunity to give to the audience fantastic recordings(audio and video and movies).

  • @eghissoni the beginning of my comment wasclearly an invitation to listen to Corelli, Pavarotti and Aragall to realize how this aria sounds when sung with open throat instead of with strangled throat. The rest were just deviation attemts from your side trying to justify Domingo.

  • @David45NV1 Domingo as a lyric tenor?? That was to much for me. Hey, I'm a singer also, on the begining of my carrier could you please evaluate my voice? I would be eternally greatfull if you classified me like a spinto or dramatic but I assume I'm lyric also. Just type my name on youtube: Eduardo Ghissoni. Thanks in advance!

  • @eghissoni wow! I am impressed! congratulations!!!. You have a first class, excellent lyric tenor voice (neither spinto nor dramatic), beautiful timbre and a good technique. However you stil have to work on the tone support and control of the fiatto. Such flaws are noticeable in the "Una furtiva lacrima" which I think it can become one of your best roles. Please don't ever try to imitate Domingo, believe me, your technique is far better. Congratulations to your teacher too!.

  • @David45NV1 Thank you David! It was a great pleasure to discuss with you! I will follow your recomendations to improve my singing. But promise me you will stop to hit Placido. Few singers like him made me cry on his best performances. He knows very well how to touch my soul.

  • @eghissoni I don’t care about how Domingo sings as long as nobody in a public place like this, say that is great or perfect Opera singing. I love Opera and at the top of the hierarchy is the Composer with his work. Musicians are supposed to express and transmit what the composer wrote. There is a difference between appreciating and consuming Art. Art is to be appreciated rather than to be consumed. Making sombody cry is important but is not all. Paul Potts made lots of people cry too.

  • This is gutsy singing with a wonderful open throated B natural to cap it off. Domingo did not always have the best high notes, but this certainly is one of his besy performances.

  • He has the best voice in History!

  • His high B in this area, to me, is fine. It was perfectly placed. Length? well it does not have to be long like Pavarotti. We should bear this in mind that he is not singing this area on concert, but he's been in the full performance of the opera. Considering this, he does fine here, I think.

  • @deskfruit puccini wrote the B as a very short note anyways. But of course opera is always about dramatic interpretation. Through the years holding the B became the standard. You should take a look at the video with the recording of Franco Bonisolli singing the high C 4 times in the riddle scene... I only wish this was a common performance pratice!

  • @deskfruit Great comment!

  • bueno es esfuerzo pero creo que esta aria le queda grande no son sus notas el si natural

  • bravo domingo,tutta l'aria cantata alla breve e alla fine bellissimo acuto......per un baritono di zarzuela bravo .

  • @andyroma tu sei Italiano amico !Sono ex pugile e credimi ho incontrato gente cattiva,

    e educata male...non hai bisogno di tutto questo,ti fai male cosi ! E bello

    che adori Domingo,c'e pubblico che adora Raimondi,altri adorano Zucker ,la diferenza nei gusti crea la bellezza  nel Mondo pieno di gelosia,odio, io preferisco l'amore, e piu semplice .Naturalmente per me dal vivo Giacomini e Nikolov erano i migliori Calaf. Ciao

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  • I think his voice cracks on purpose to show emotion. Help me out, domingo is my fav, does he have the same vocal Range as pav,whats the highest note plac can hit?

  • @RickandJamesCo

    He does not have the same vocal range of Pavarotti. The highest note that Domingo could hit was a High C, whereas Pavarotti could hit the D just above that.

    However, Domingo is technically a Baritone. His range goes much lower than Pav's, going down to a low F. Pavarotti probably bottoms out around an A or a B above that. Different voices. Both are charming.

  • Domingo started his career singing baritone roles in small opera companies. It took him over three hundred hours of training to perfect his breath support so that he could hit a high C. This is admirable, but Domingo's vocal cords are that of a baritone. This isn't belittling him at all, he's one of my favorite opera singers. It's just... fact.

  • Baritone? With color, timbre and tessiture of a tenor? Just because the low range? He is wonderful and unique even without high notes. Ave Placido mingo (without the C!!)

  • Eh. Call him a Bari-tenor if you wish, but he certainly has a much wider range than most tenors out there.

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  • @andreslp3 creo que el ignorante eres tu chabal

  • Believe me, he doesn't crack on purpose. He cracks because he never had high notes.

  • @operabeauty I once had the pleasure of talking with him, and he told me that he built up his high range quarter-tone by quarter-tone, so it didn't come easy to him as it does to some. That said, he doesn't often crack on his high notes, his technique being one of the most solid I've heard in a long time. There are quite a few tenors who begin as baritones, as he did, not all of them being Heldentenors or Wagnerian tenors, and who move up and may have to build up their higher range...

  • @philipvanlidth quarter-tone, as in the increment between semitones?

  • @elementfool & DTGeek155 First of all, I don't believe there is such a thing as having the vocal cords of any particular vocal type. What kind of voice one has is a composite of several things, the basis being the vocal folds, as I prefer to call them, their thickness and flexibility. But how one learns to use them is another large variable in the equation, which is why you have so many tenors who begin as baritones and sopranos who begin as mezzos. I have also heard of the opposite occuring

  • @elementfool & DTGeek155 Remember that Ramon Vinay also began as a baritone in 1938, moved up to tenor in 1943 and returned to the baritone repertoire in 1962 before retiring in 1969. He retained the dark baritonal sound of his voice even when singing tenor roles, although I believe he had the tenorial ring in his voice when singing tenor. I haven't yet heard Domingo as Boccanegra, so I will withhold judgment, but he was able to start singing Otello so early because of a solid technique.

  • @philipvanlidth Informative, but my question was just regarding musical terminology. Is a quarter-tone the increment between semitones?

  • @elementfool Regarding your question about quarter-tones: in a word, yes.

  • citrusbust...I believe I said I AGREE with you. However, vocalizing to high C and actually using one in recital, opera or concert unless the tenor has great technique is usually lacking. I'm a spinto baritone who can always vocalize to B and on good days C. I can effectively sing the B at the end of Nessun Dorma, but then I can also sing down to low C. Call me a rangy bass-baritone...and the line remains consistant.
  • I disagree with the theory of the expanded notes way beyond one's tessitura.

    I think stretching comes at cost of volume+body (see beauty) in the tone.

    Still, so many singers reach wildly high (or low) notes that are completely unmarketable and take away from vocal health if excessively practised, just in order to brag about them.

    It is part of the human nature. However, I have never heard Correlli saying he had an E-flat... He didn't need too

    I actually heard Cotrubas say she never had an F!

  • Contestar...I agree with you in theory. Corelli to me was the greatest vocal talent (tenor) of the past century. He had his off nights, but generally speaking he sung within the comfort range you elude to with great clarity, ring and beauty. I still say Placido does not do well in the upper register..probably because it is beyond his tessitura. Yes, there is an expense fo stretching ones range and it is indeed normally beauty AND as you say vocal health.
  • citrusbust....fully agree...several tenors

    struggle with the B to A ending on Nessun

    Dorma. Not that many do this aria

    justice..just a few.

  • Yeah. The other video of Placido is better quality. Sound and video. So, I'd check that one out if you wanted to accurately judge Domingo.

  • A Counter Tenor is generally a singer that has developed their falsetto to a point where the strength and sound echoes that of full voice.

    I am a Tenor, I was a Counter Tenor in my earlier years. So yes I would consider the Counter Tenor part of the Tenor family.

    Andreas Scholl is a Counter Tenor, but he has a full tenor range also... does that not also make him a tenor?

  • Agreed, in Choral Works I would say A. but yes, Soloists should have a C. I rarely see pieces written that high though. Then you are touching into the CounterTenor range.

  • Hi is good, better actor than Pavarotti but I love Luciano's "...splendera" and "Vincero"

  • I have been chorus first tenor in two different professional productions of Turandot. At the end of the opera the chorus sings Nessun Dorma note for note (with different words) and the first tenors sing the same notes as Calaf does at the top of the third act. Turandot is musically a very good work for chorus, the only Puccini opera in which the chorus is prominent.

  • Yes, he reaches the high B natural but comes off it rather soon. I believe that in the score the high note is quite short, although it is traditional to hold it as long as possible.

  • He has had trouble with the B in the past. There is another recording on Youtube, where the end vincero had to be dubbed in later because he cracked it during the live performance.

    Oh, for the record, im not going to even try to assert that note is easy, lol, especially if some places tune above 440. But, this is why a lot of Calaf's tend cut it short, and why Pavarotti will always own this song due to his clarity at B.

    I do prefer Domingos' voice over Pavarottis' generally.

  • The note is usually pretty short. As a Tenor, a B is very difficult for most to hit and sustain. But Pavaroitti definitely mastered this Tenor Aria.

    RIP.

  • The best, ever!

  • Listen to Moshe Nace

    new peruvian tenor singing Nessun Dorma

    ... He is not one of the three monsters, but performs it WONDERFUL...

  • This is the most emotion rendition of nessun dorma ive heard of let me know if theres any better

  • @03102 agree 101%

  • Si alguien quiere hacer un comentario sobre musica, y más sobre música líriaca y ópera, que se asegure antes de tener unas mínimas nociones.

    Para los que sabemos y vivimos de esto tenemos muy claro que Pavarotti era un mindundi que no sabia diferenciar una nota de otra,....

    Y Domingo es y será de lo mejorcito.

  • anda a lavarte el culo....Placido tuvo suerte porque no nacio en la epoca de Gigli,Bijorling,Corelli,Volpi.­..sino hubiese sido un tercero con todos los honores,En esta epoca jamas pudo superar a Pavarotti ni a Kraus en tecnica vocal. Condiciones tiene pero cantando es un PERRO.

  • Poor Mr. Inquisitor, looking for his 15 min. of fame on youtube, embittered and tortured, finding solace in hatred, racism, insults and pseudonyms. Your lexicon alone shows your ignorance and total lack of culture. Just think what you could do with all of those hours wasted typing? Sounds like you are one of those people whose ancestors were kicked out of every land and who still, today bear HUGE CHIPS ON THEIR SHOULDERS...hmmm, I wonder why?????

  • Placido domingo es un tenor español no mexicano, aunque parte de su infancia la paso alli (o eso tengo entendido). Un consejo, al que no le guste placido domingo que no vea el video y punto, porque fue, es y sera aunque muera una leyenda

  • no les hagas caso a todos estos pelotudos placidoooo, sos un idolooooooooooooooooooooo

  • i am allways insulting you in all the channel for your recist commentaries, but this time.... you are right.

  • Con comentarios como los de abajo, no es duda de que Placido no resida en Mexico, ya que se le aprecia y respeta mucho mas en el extranjero. Sigan asi, que se van a quedar solito con las espinas del nopal!

  • magnifico. aunque para turandot nadie como Pavaroti, que parecía nacido para esa canción, sobretodo el final

  • Nadie como Franco Corelli compañero

  • Ok, I love Placido (from the little I know), but I after reading the comments I checked out Corelli, and wow! Yes.

  • If you ever get to see this opera (it's available on DVD) then do it! I've almost worn out my VHS copy, watching it so much. Great opera!

  • TÚ eres el patético.

  • Ciertamente tu eres el patetico, envidioso o ignorante!

  • Pobre ignorante.

  • Cadopin: no le digas ignorante a Placidito. Estoy de acuerdo contigo en que el tipo, además de patético y engreído, es ignorante, pero no se lo digas. Mejor, que quede entre nosotros, ¿te parece?

  • Pobre Dendrix01, además de ignorante te sientes muy ingenioso, qué pena!...jajajajaja..... Hasta luego!

  • The greatest!

  • magnifica interpretacion

  • FANTASTIC!!! domingo's best nessun dorma

  • I prefer the voice of Domingo generally, but think Pavarotti owns this song. However, take a look at Vesti La Giubba and compare them.

    Domingo conveys every tortured moment of heart break in a way I have never seen equalled.

  • Amazing, placido - carreras and the "big" pavarotti

  • Domingo is better than Pavarotti!

  • Everybody have a opinion...and this is the mine:

    Pavarotti is better than Domingo.

    ;-) ...however, two "greater"...really...

  • Daxfil, you've said the most evident true about opera!

  • In my opinion he has the best vocal tecnique, but a little less vocal force than Pavarotti.

  • TRUE!!!!

  • The way Domingo use his voice has no comparison.

  • Forgive me, I forgot to add Corelli to that list.

  • Not bad,however he runs third,in this, the greatest opera song of all time. Pavarotti has the best version followed by Lanza. Of course, everything is subjective and each of us might feel differently

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  • Of course not. He's Placido Domingo.

  • Wonderfull tenors! But Pavarotti ruled...RIP

  • Wonderful performance. Compelling actor and incredible voice. His musicality is amazing.

  • one of the things that is so exciting and wonderful about this man is that he doesn't has ease of the high notes, yet has been so fearless all his career in the roles he has taken and his demanding schedule, and he may have had to pray for every high note, but how many miracles has he delivered?!! an absolute marvel

  • Placido Domingo el mejor tenor de todos los tiempos, y el mas guapo!!!!!!!!!!

  • i'm sure Placido Domingo would care about you all's opinions on youtube. i'm also sure that your career will be somewhere near the level of his.

  • Dí que sí Golifion, que parece que queda como muy entendido poner verde a Plácido. Me gustaría ver a todos los que lo critican tan duramente y han estudiado canto haciendo, por ejemplo, el Otello de Verdi. Y aunque quizá su papel ideal no sea Calaf, yo habría dado todo por estar allí y poder escuchar este Nessun Dorma.

    Bravo Plácido!!!

  • I wept at the beauty of the aria. Thank you for posting it.

  • eh he still didn't quite get to a solid B, anything below that he can sing, but poor Placido just couldn't get completely up to the top of the Tessotura.

  • You need to have your ears cleaned out then because not only was he in the center of the B, he had amazing ring on the note.

  • It sounds to me like he is gripping his larynx to squeeze the note out. That's why he always raises his arms when singing notes that are too high for him, he has to use his whole body to keep his larynx down while singing high, because he never trained his voice to do it properly without forcing it. It's a constant struggle for me too, this is why I can hear it...

  • I agree to a certain extent. But he has a phenominal technique. I was always puzzled why it was so hard for him up there alsountil I learned why. I just don't think that genetically he was born with the length of cords required for that kind of range. But what range he does possess is negociated beautifully and with ease.

  • Well he did start out as a baritone so that may have something to do with it, but I still feel he could have gotten up there much better, maybe even to a C if he was trained in the Old Italian style like Corelli or Dalmanaco. It always produces the best singers.

  • It is a famous myth about Placido that he started out as a baritone. He didn't. And also, he does sing in the old italian way. He just simply didn't have that range. He can't help it. He sings beautifully as high as his voice but built to sing. Pavarotti could sing higher. But ask him to sing D's and he will pinch and burn. Same thing. Not all voices are built the same.

  • it is really a myth that he started out as a baritone? i just want to know the truth, because everybody says something different

  • Yes, it is a myth and probably the most famously accepted myth of all the opera myths. Placido thought he was a baritone and therefore believed he would sing those roles, but that was back before he was even 20 yrs old. Once he started singing for people, they told him he was a tenor and the rest is history.

  • I agree, but Pavarotti has done D's. Not many, but he has done them.

  • There doesn't appear to be any evidence of a live Pavarotti high D, only studio.

  • Of course songsofscarlet , I´m sure that Placido would love to take masterclasses with you .

  • Not with me, but with my teacher...Arturo Spinetti!

  • Yes, very interesting point there. Yes....well observed. Good work. Well done. Keep it up.

  • eh...I agree with aarontenor. He hit that note, and was pretty solid. All the other times I hear him sing this, he just doesn't get there as well. but in this video he does.

  • To me he's perfect over here. I can listen to Puccini when he sings. Pavarotti sounds somehow Rossini in this aria to me (wonderful voice, anyway).

  • I agree with stevevandien.

    He is an excellent singer, but the piece was a tad too high for him, unfortunate but still worth listening to such a man.

  • How is it too high for him? He sang it, nialed it, and the audience loved it. If it was TOO high for him then he wouldn't have hit the high notes. Not only did it hit them he did so with musicallity and ring.

  • he is seriously not singing the B, it really is a little under. He had to pray for these notes before each show. I'm not saying his voice isn't amazing to listen to, but it is a well known fact he had problems up there. He has a very huge instrument so this is why many times you could be fooled when listening to him.

  • I'm not sure about ring, he had hardly any squillo live in the house.

  • Pavarotti is the best.

  • Domingo is a splendid singer and a great artist. This version is definitely better than his 1987 Met performance. The piece is a little high for him (at his best, B flat was his comfortable top, so Corelli and Del Monaco top him there), he's still damn good.

  • es cierto que la ignorancia aqui queda patente, y que también siento vergüenza ajena, pero no por el video, sino por algunos comentarios. Es una buena interpretación, con buena técnica y con unos agudos correctos. Domingo no es un tenor lirico spinto, es un tenor dramático.

    Aunque no es mi tenor favorito, es una gran voz. Quien diga lo contrario, es mentiroso, ignorante en este campo o simplemente sordo.

  • Placido has the best opera acting skills i never seen, he delivers all the feelings this arias has to be and more

  • La ignorancia de algunos queda patente con este tipo de vídeos. Verguenza ajena...

  • He is so passionate when he sings and I felt my heart pounding even after the aria ended. This man is so talented!

  • This is flawless: nobody inhabits the caracter like Domingo and the B is very fine indeed.Got that, verdiotello? And...as I said before... he was recovering from tracheitis.

  • What to say about this... he acts his heart out, no matter which role he sings - he delivers it all! And his voice ... *sigh* ... leads me straight to heaven. :-) Thank you, gabba! And thank you, Plácido!!!

  • pobre domingo nunca canto esta aria bien, no le da el caracter del rol y su talon de aquiles los agudos de aki no se salvo ja ja ja ja

  • Excellent version. The high B doesn't sound as strained as usual.

  • It's wonderful to see this again. Thanks. Domingo's great here.

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