sorry, yall. i think he's got a cool voice, but most of these songs are crap to me. reminds me of old o.a.r. s.h.i.t. that i couldn't stand. a good band is yeasayer
its a modern take on romeo and juliet. also stop comparing these arists with a talenless AUTO-TUNED whore like lady goo-goo-ga-ga. i fucking hate autotune. she has a shitty voice in real life fuck that noise. all new and popular rap/r&b bullshit is bullshit. anyone can talk to a fucking beat and anyone can be a good singer when its a fucking computer singing for you. these guys are true artists and lastly, vevo can suck my fucking cock!!! booyakasha!!
@Eoinposse Cuz they're about the quality of the music, not about the spectacle. Lady Gaga's music is great for dancing and drinking. Theirs is more chill. I bet they prefer smaller crowds, though, cuz it's more intimate
Do ANY of you know a music video where a guy and a girl are running around a town, ( Seattle or Chicago I can't remember) and act like they're playing basketball and at the end of the video they meet up, and play against each other? It's an alternative band.
Do not like this video. I thought Valencia was the girl's name, too, and I had definitely pictured more of a Romeo and Juliet type thing, with the death being accidental. Her running out to stop her brother, taking a shot by mistake. :/ Do not like the video.
i love this song and the video concept, but for some reason the video just doesnt seem quite right to me. ive seen the extended version, and i just feel like it doesnt do this amazing song and band justice.
huh. very unsatisfying video. i liked finding out that valencia was a hotel though and not just a strange name. i didnt like the subtitles and it seemed like it could have been a gorgeous video. but it was not. the song is absolutely amazing though.
@CookieVideos On the contrary, I think the reveal about the real meaning of the title adds more intrigue. Instead of just naming the song after a girl (like most artists undoubtedly would), the band adds its own twist, as they always do. This is what makes the Decemberists the unique band they are.
As far as the sotry line for the video goes,the directors cut gives you the full version-basically he confides in the one guy and asks him for help so that he can escape town with the boss' daughter. The guy instead betrays him, leading the boss' daughter to be killed by the boss-turns out she was using collin's character and was only interested in stealing money from her father. In the end,both collin and the man who betrayed him die as well
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My friends call me insane because I look at guys jaws! They'll all say "He's hot. I like his hair." But I'll be over in the corner saying "He's got a really sexy jaw."
The Decemberists are perhaps my favorite band due to their lyrics with hidden meanings, the background instruments, and the talented vocals. If their is a better band then this, I would like to see it.
i have all the time in the world to at least prove you wrong...(w/ no disrespect for decemberists)...but i'll know you'll be too stubborn to conform otherwise
Colin explained how he wrote this song at ACL last year. Apparently, the first draft was a Monkee's-style pop-song titled "Dracula's Daughter." He played a couple of verses.
Hmmm, the song is gnarly, but I think homeboi here should have tried to look a little more menacing when kicking ass. Video's still cool though, it's just when he came out of the room at 3:04, I couldn't help but laugh.
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so fed up with indie rock. the talent pool gets pretty shallow when it feeds on itself. rock needs new and radical influence. all these bands sound the same.
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I'm afraid the American indie scene doesn't even compare to its Brittish counterpart. The Apples in Stereo, Grandaddy, the Decemberists, they all fit the profile, yes. But Oasis and Stellastarr and Interpol did this ten to fifteen years ago. Still, it's a good effort. I like the Decemberists. An indie rock fan from Greece.
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Sorry, my post above is a little chaotic. The first sentence has nothing to do with the second one. lol I wasn't referring to Oasis, Interpol and Stellastarr as BRITISH bands, but as bands that have already done music that is similar, either britts or americans. Plus, this is 2008, remember? So yes, they've all been around for ten years or more (and I don't care what Wikipedia says). AAAaaanyway, this type of "folk" indie is not my favorite. Interpol, the Editors, the Bravery, now that's better!
:P Not a chance, but I smile at your efforts to make me do so. I agree with you to some extent, but there are dimplomatic ways to disagree with people. It seems like Binary needs to learn some.
@SunnyShine43 There's a guy standing on the edge near the motel windows.
operationfenixrising 10 months ago
Who the fuck is breathing so hard in the beginning?
INSANEINTHEDOME 10 months ago
Pause at 0:36 and look at the entrance roof.
operationfenixrising 10 months ago
@operationfenixrising why?
SunnyShine43 10 months ago
Is it just me who finds it comical how most people think Valencia is a women, but it's actually a motel?
MisterPurpleOctopus 10 months ago
@MisterPurpleOctopus I find it quite comical that your name is Mister Purple Octopus and that you don't know the singular form is spelled woman.
zkxv 10 months ago
sorry, yall. i think he's got a cool voice, but most of these songs are crap to me. reminds me of old o.a.r. s.h.i.t. that i couldn't stand. a good band is yeasayer
clooky04 10 months ago
fuck vevo
Frash99 10 months ago
its a modern take on romeo and juliet. also stop comparing these arists with a talenless AUTO-TUNED whore like lady goo-goo-ga-ga. i fucking hate autotune. she has a shitty voice in real life fuck that noise. all new and popular rap/r&b bullshit is bullshit. anyone can talk to a fucking beat and anyone can be a good singer when its a fucking computer singing for you. these guys are true artists and lastly, vevo can suck my fucking cock!!! booyakasha!!
e1kie 11 months ago 3
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this is boring as fuck. what kind of lame talentless cold war bullshit is this!?!?!?
MrTylerdurden420 11 months ago
@MrTylerdurden420 This is underrated, talented, sadly overlooked genius.
Eoinposse 11 months ago
Does anyone else think this band is kinda like death cab for cutie?
brandondittman 11 months ago
@brandondittman The album was produced by Chris Walla, so there definitely are hints of Death Cab For Cutie.
oftruthiness 11 months ago
@brandondittman .. i think both singers have the same voice
TheCover182 11 months ago
how did she die o.o?
Zapperzappy 11 months ago
@Zapperzappy I'm going to take the guess that her father shot her... or should I say had someone else do it
HollyAVB 11 months ago
Looks like NoPo...
ericrules42 11 months ago
The video doesn't really match the song. It's too modern for me
snowheyoh321 11 months ago
Just found out that my Science Teacher's cousin is the decemberists' drummer.
gammaking100 11 months ago 2
@gammaking100 He is insane in the membrane in the best way
montypython401 11 months ago
Why aren't they selling out big venues like Lady Gaga is?
Eoinposse 11 months ago 2
@Eoinposse Cuz they're about the quality of the music, not about the spectacle. Lady Gaga's music is great for dancing and drinking. Theirs is more chill. I bet they prefer smaller crowds, though, cuz it's more intimate
snowheyoh321 11 months ago
@snowheyoh321 dancing and drinking is lame therefore lady gaga is lame and so are her simple minded fans
TheDp321 11 months ago
@TheDp321 With the right music, and the right people, it's not so bad
snowheyoh321 11 months ago
@Eoinposse because this music is smart there is alot of dumb people in this world :/
TheDp321 11 months ago
They have the longer extended version on youtube that tells the whole story. Though Colin actually dies at the end of it :(
PikePoleOnFire 11 months ago
When I first saw this video I didn't realize it was Colin in the main role... haha :)
mollielie 11 months ago
kudos to portland bands!
gleekinthepink 11 months ago
so sad!!
gleekinthepink 11 months ago
jesus.... so much portland love on youtube. its pretty frakin' awesome!
invaderzoe87 1 year ago
omg sad......awsome band though <3
ThatCharlieChick 1 year ago
omg sad......awsome band though <3
ThatCharlieChick 1 year ago
valencia is a poopy band
CANADA5UCKS 1 year ago
This makes me cry.
sienasaurus 1 year ago
420 likes :)
TheScottharter 1 year ago
there is absolutely nothing i don't love about this song, video, and band.
rachel7208 1 year ago
PORTLAND<3333
jayempee123 1 year ago 9
Such an awesome band.
pdizzlemac 1 year ago
@pdizzlemac So true.
Eoinposse 1 year ago
wes anderson wannabe video
Chalupacupcake 1 year ago
Okay is this on the set of My Name is Earl, too?
This video looks like the same motel and Ke$ha's "Take It Off" looks like it's there, too.
Awesome!
werealldudesya 1 year ago 3
i really dont get this video. but i really like it :D
orangepopgirl101 1 year ago
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Hope you never get it, most depressing video I've ever seen.
totokakjit 1 year ago
@totokakjit Tell me about it...very well-directed though....great story line. Good to see a vid that isn't 6 images a second and constant flashes.
999manman 1 year ago
they arnt bad actors lol
nickcat222 1 year ago
Fantastic!
Come join us.
SCREECHINGJCWEASEL 1 year ago
UGH! Justin Bieber ad on the page of some real music!
rkt739 1 year ago 3
@rkt739 seriously what's up with that?!
olivegirl1989 1 year ago
Dear youtube,
Do ANY of you know a music video where a guy and a girl are running around a town, ( Seattle or Chicago I can't remember) and act like they're playing basketball and at the end of the video they meet up, and play against each other? It's an alternative band.
Please help me out!
Milesu2b 1 year ago
@Milesu2b I believe it's by Minus the Bear. Can't remember which song but if you search it on youtube, you'll find it.
pmedalie09 1 year ago
@pmedalie09 Thank you so much! It's throwing shapes! I should've known. Thanks a lot again :DD
Milesu2b 1 year ago
@Milesu2b IVE BEEN WONDERING TOOOOO
orangepopgirl101 1 year ago
I love the stories behind Decemberists songs.
Rake song is best, this one is second.
ragan29 1 year ago
awww when i saw him hugger her at the end i was just like damn that really sucks
gossamer999 1 year ago
Has anyone noticed that 'la infanta' basically sounds exactly the same as this? Probably.
makonyy15 1 year ago
i loved this song...until i found out what it was about
lol
its still good
twittlebug1 1 year ago
@twittlebug1 Nope, he was shooting his daughter on purpose. Watch the director's cut of this and you'll know why he did it.
APATE1 1 year ago
@APATE1 How do we see the director's cut?
bananapancakes660 1 year ago
why would he kill his daughter? what a dick
jdogame12 1 year ago
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it was an accident he was trying to kill the person who was taking her away from him and shot her instead because it was dark and he couldnt see
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@twittlebug1 Nope, he was shooting his daughter on purpose. Watch the director's cut of this and you'll know why.
APATE1 1 year ago
Its the romeo and Juliet of the mod or gang o3o
IrislikezMuffinz 1 year ago
This is super depressing. :/
SavageGenius135 1 year ago 3
Ill burn this whole city down <3 . . . i would for you "D
elosito 1 year ago 3
thx
hungariangangbang 1 year ago
if marty mcfly was a talented indie kid, then the lead singer would be able to play him easily.
shockzrock 1 year ago
I love this video =D
Mayuchan412 1 year ago 2
I love this song--and I love this band--so refreshing to know that there is at least one band out there that gets it.
Bix12 1 year ago
I love that the top two comments are exact opposites
Zachism 1 year ago
It's kind of a sad song and video, but how can you NOT love it? Classic romance with a twist :)
NatalieTreleven 1 year ago
i thought it was like west side story not rom and jul?
lmnop27 2 years ago
West Side Story is based off of Romeo and Juliet. And this is more like Romeo and Juliet.
xoboredxo 1 year ago
colin must have lost alot of weight because when i saw him in concert he was teeny :) either way he is a super cutie
faeryfirefly 2 years ago
I like how while it is the familiar Romeo and Juliet story, theyve changed enough of the details to make it more original
o0vekehro0ostrasse0o 2 years ago
Yeah, I was totally confused by the refrain. I was like "IF THIS IS ROMEO AND JULIETTE WHY IS ROMEO STILL ALIVE AFTER THE CHICK DIED!?!"
blackbird0013 2 years ago
The Reverends do an awesome cover of this.
phojodave 2 years ago
i kinda do like the fact that she doesn't seem quite in love with him
transitiondenial 2 years ago 15
yeah, that was an interesting touch, it actually in a way makes it even more tragic when she dies at the end.
o0vekehro0ostrasse0o 2 years ago
the extended version is /so/ much sadder.
LifeIsLiar 2 years ago
WAY TO RUIN THE VID FOR ME!
jkjk its ok, my brother ruined it for me before i even saw the beginning :)
baciweiler 2 years ago
watch the directors cut it goes into that a little more
cspring08 2 years ago
Do not like this video. I thought Valencia was the girl's name, too, and I had definitely pictured more of a Romeo and Juliet type thing, with the death being accidental. Her running out to stop her brother, taking a shot by mistake. :/ Do not like the video.
MorsmordreMaiden 2 years ago
totally agree!
GINARRY4LIFE 2 years ago
my thoughts exactly
trognar2 2 years ago
agreed, absolutely.
rapidashrachel 2 years ago
very nice... but it gets a little boring after a while...
FAKEjakethe5th 2 years ago
Is the lead guy Colin? Without his glasses?
booklover1217 2 years ago
amazing, first time ive heard this song
enigmatikchickn 2 years ago
The song's awesome, and the video idea is awesome, but the guy's a little stale. A little.
The director's cut definitely does more justice.
OneZeroFour104 2 years ago
yeah...not very good acting. i don't like the music vid but the songs ok
clover36952 2 years ago
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how could they make such a horrible video?
LithiumX12 2 years ago
love the song but that guy's the worst actor ever
TheBeastlyBeatitude 2 years ago
This a great song as well as a very good video. The extended directors cut gives you a little more detail on the story in the video.
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rockin90on 2 years ago
OMG
singana1 2 years ago
Great song. Really great song. The video though....
JohnMalchow 2 years ago
i love this song and the video concept, but for some reason the video just doesnt seem quite right to me. ive seen the extended version, and i just feel like it doesnt do this amazing song and band justice.
stargirl119 2 years ago 2
you do know the band made this song
rockin90on 2 years ago
yeah i know that... i never said they didnt
stargirl119 2 years ago
Sense. This comment makes none. Of course she knows that... wtf. seriously.
MorsmordreMaiden 2 years ago
great song.
leoblaze64 2 years ago 3
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I do not know about these assholes. How nice to have the Princess of Spain,,Who may have had an adult beverage with with me. How Nice.
82abnoff 2 years ago
SXSW 2009!
austexukrainka 2 years ago
huh. very unsatisfying video. i liked finding out that valencia was a hotel though and not just a strange name. i didnt like the subtitles and it seemed like it could have been a gorgeous video. but it was not. the song is absolutely amazing though.
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maryh329 3 years ago
and in Spain
notanotherutubeguy 2 years ago
Yeah, originally I thought Valencia was either a girl or the city in Spain too.
I didn't know there was a Valencia, Italy, too.
almroa 2 years ago 2
@CookieVideos
This isn't all of the video.
TheKenTerry 1 year ago
@TheKenTerry this is the music video, not the directors cut
Vatinos 1 year ago
@Vatinos
I know, that's exactly what I said...just not in those words...o.0
TheKenTerry 1 year ago
@CookieVideos On the contrary, I think the reveal about the real meaning of the title adds more intrigue. Instead of just naming the song after a girl (like most artists undoubtedly would), the band adds its own twist, as they always do. This is what makes the Decemberists the unique band they are.
luminellecat 1 year ago 2
the story of the SONG is that the town they're in is Valencia. it was never the girl.
icpxbitch 3 years ago
As far as the sotry line for the video goes,the directors cut gives you the full version-basically he confides in the one guy and asks him for help so that he can escape town with the boss' daughter. The guy instead betrays him, leading the boss' daughter to be killed by the boss-turns out she was using collin's character and was only interested in stealing money from her father. In the end,both collin and the man who betrayed him die as well
pretty sure thats it
itskeiser 3 years ago
good song but um could someone please explain the video? i didn't really get it.
soccrchic4 3 years ago
I thought that the girl was named Valencia...
Whatever. I love this band so much. HORAY FOR PORTLAND OREGON!
SophieAmazing 3 years ago
Brilliant!!!!!!!!!TheDecemberists are the best American band. Can't wait for new music from them.
alexandervance 3 years ago 5
the singer is british. -_-
greyhoundlovergirl3 3 years ago
Colin Maloy was born in Helena Montana and now lives in Portland OR. Just saw them the other night for the 5th time
and he did not have an english accent.
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geez, five times? u might as well become their roadie.
and whatever, who cares where he came from, huh? they're the best group anyway! =D
besides, u can't blame me for not knowing where he was born, im only 13! -_-+
greyhoundlovergirl3 3 years ago
I'm not sure what age has to do with whether or not you know someone's place of birth.
theproofreader 3 years ago 3
well i just didn't know OK?
but the Decemberists are the best band ever, that's what i do know! ^_^
greyhoundlovergirl3 3 years ago
true stuff, and also there was burn side and willamette in the names of businesses and such.
Failadin 2 years ago
lol@yourname.
WTB retardins.
Lejit - Zul'Jin
^Me. :D
pawcamerone 2 years ago
Colin Meloy is a beautiful man
sasukeishotsex 3 years ago
It's the sideburns.
ochispiret 3 years ago
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jesus...this vid is shit
beatlemuffin 3 years ago
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lools. though i dont like the song, but i like the song's title a lot!!:D cuz, valencia is myyy namee! xDD
varricia1314 3 years ago
I love music videos that have a plot! Thank you Decemberists
luchenko32 3 years ago 57
sexy song : )
rockyroxy21 3 years ago 2
I love this song and the video as well, but I didn't understand why they named the motel Valencia instead of the girl.
MollyMcb215 3 years ago 2
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oryshchyn 3 years ago
i love his sideburns
RamenNoodleBrain 3 years ago 2
this song is amazing i saw them live when i went to death cab for cutie
XxMacarenaMayhemxX 3 years ago 2
Great song!!!! and i love this band
vinocard 3 years ago
cool....but i never heard of a mobster killing his daughter AND leaving the dude shes bangin alive...wtf is up wit dat?
cmbacon 3 years ago
haha the decemberists always have such elaborate stories in all their videos
daveisok 3 years ago
Vid blows. Takes away from how good the song is.
soulclepto 3 years ago
he's got a really cute nose. I know, I'm weird. don't mind me...
orangecow965 3 years ago
I prefer his jaw, actually.
o.o
suchducks 3 years ago 3
My friends call me insane because I look at guys jaws! They'll all say "He's hot. I like his hair." But I'll be over in the corner saying "He's got a really sexy jaw."
orangecow965 3 years ago 4
I love his BRAIN
not gonna lie
lovefromeponine 3 years ago 40
@lovefromeponine ummm yes. agree.
SomethingiLove 1 year ago
Love this song, the video isn't as good, though. The song makes up for the video's not-as-goodness, though.
Doozanopia 3 years ago
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That girl should play Bella in twilight!
goudagirl11 3 years ago
She's to old to play Bella.
straightcore69 3 years ago
If I was gay, I'd be all over Colin.
But I'm not. Just throwing it out there...
How's the weather?
Penniefinger 3 years ago 5
wanting Colin Meloy doesn't make you gay.
lovefromeponine 3 years ago 2
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the chick should play bella swan in twilight
MollieAnne3 3 years ago
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she would be an okay bella.
she just doesnt seem right though.
edward is hot.
Kellekap 3 years ago
I don't usually enjoy music videos all that much, but the Decemberists have a talent for them. Love.
RambleRose 3 years ago 3
this song is like romeo and juliet
Burntcerels 3 years ago 3
muy la metro
aruchog 3 years ago
all i heard was a shout
gunitiskewl 3 years ago
of your brother calling me out
compaq5793 3 years ago
stupid broad
NoSurrendersNamu 3 years ago
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The vocals suck... I tried to like this band, but I just hate it.
tydelwave 3 years ago
Hey, it's not for everyone. I hated his voice at first...but it grew on me.
twistontheclassic 3 years ago 7
Well, I hate Bob Dylan so I can relate.
Orypeci 3 years ago
anyone that hates dylan is an idiot
andyjdhall 3 years ago
The Decemberists are perhaps my favorite band due to their lyrics with hidden meanings, the background instruments, and the talented vocals. If their is a better band then this, I would like to see it.
CopperMoonlight 3 years ago 4
i have all the time in the world to at least prove you wrong...(w/ no disrespect for decemberists)...but i'll know you'll be too stubborn to conform otherwise
didoma73 3 years ago
aw jeesh that was hella sad..
goremi 3 years ago
it gave me goosebumps! great song, great video
Nicolix7 3 years ago
i'm glad they finally made a real video for the song
mcsayles 3 years ago
i think the song is actually Romeo And Juliet.
Valencia is Verona and the family's cant agree and the bother is Tybalt and the singer is romeo and the girl is Juliet
calsaver 3 years ago
Colin explained how he wrote this song at ACL last year. Apparently, the first draft was a Monkee's-style pop-song titled "Dracula's Daughter." He played a couple of verses.
beansworth 3 years ago
Reminds me of "No Country for Old Men" and "Pulp Fiction"
yogthulhu 3 years ago
Whatever happened to the green screen version of this video they released to have edited/redone by independent ppls?
kyzzak 3 years ago
I think for the Green Screen video, you have to go to the Pitchforkmedia channel of Youtube.
interpolluter29 3 years ago
Hmmm, the song is gnarly, but I think homeboi here should have tried to look a little more menacing when kicking ass. Video's still cool though, it's just when he came out of the room at 3:04, I couldn't help but laugh.
TheShag69 3 years ago
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so fed up with indie rock. the talent pool gets pretty shallow when it feeds on itself. rock needs new and radical influence. all these bands sound the same.
bunnierabbits 3 years ago
This band rocks.
crob647gtx 3 years ago 5
Great Song and great Video.
Niholas123 3 years ago 4
Not sure I get it. My friends say good stuff, I want to pass...Help me say YES..
qflihl 3 years ago
I have no idea why, but I keep coming back to this video. o.o
muffinat0r 3 years ago
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I'm afraid the American indie scene doesn't even compare to its Brittish counterpart. The Apples in Stereo, Grandaddy, the Decemberists, they all fit the profile, yes. But Oasis and Stellastarr and Interpol did this ten to fifteen years ago. Still, it's a good effort. I like the Decemberists. An indie rock fan from Greece.
whenthesumis41 3 years ago
i'm sorry. stellastarr and interpol did this, when? your dates are way off and interpol and stellasarr are american bands.
classicmold 3 years ago 5
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Sorry, my post above is a little chaotic. The first sentence has nothing to do with the second one. lol I wasn't referring to Oasis, Interpol and Stellastarr as BRITISH bands, but as bands that have already done music that is similar, either britts or americans. Plus, this is 2008, remember? So yes, they've all been around for ten years or more (and I don't care what Wikipedia says). AAAaaanyway, this type of "folk" indie is not my favorite. Interpol, the Editors, the Bravery, now that's better!
whenthesumis41 3 years ago
Your comment is a little stupid. You prefer other stuff, whatever- lots of people including me, love this.
jooxis 3 years ago
:P Not a chance, but I smile at your efforts to make me do so. I agree with you to some extent, but there are dimplomatic ways to disagree with people. It seems like Binary needs to learn some.
(P.S. You did it again. *grins*)