The Myth of the Lost Cause of the Confederacy_part1 by Dr Callahan

[swatson999]

Wrong, the southern states were never a country. No country on earth recognized them, they were merely rebellious states.

[KayBeeEee1983]

During the civil war, the confederate states were no more American than Canada or Mexico.

[swatson999]

@KayBeeEee1983

Wrong. They were American states in rebellion. There was never a CSA.

[12FlyMe]

Davis simply decreed that all slaves EVER freed, were hereby placed back on the slave status -- and their issue - FOREVER. Slavery would be perpetual. Anyone with African blood -- he doesnt say how much - even if freed 20 years ago, is a slave again. No free blacks.

Gee -- wonder why they don't teach this (or many others) in history class? Wonder why we don't see this in the movies?

Probably the same reason you don't see Lee torturing 14 year old girls. Gotta be politically correct.

[12FlyMe]

Very interesting -- thank you.

You should have gone on, with the religion. The South's mantra - their daily explanation and justification for slavery was GOD told them to do it. Lee, Davis, Stephens

Davis said slavery was a GIFT from God. It was all GOD's orders, God's wishes. Read the Cornerstone speech about it.

The biggest change wasn't the end of slavery -- the biggest difference was, the SOuth no longer uttered ONE WORD about God ordaining slavery. Not ONE WORD.

[freevirginia]

@12FlyMe When you can cite the scholarly source for your assertion that Lee and Davis ever said "slavery was a gift from God", I might have reason to listen to you. As it is, your comments are inaccurate and disingenuous. Stephens "cornerstone" speech is never celebrated by Southerners today and has been used repeatedly, ad nauseum, to demonize the Confederate cause. When this is the extent of a person's understanding of this period, they come away with a kindergartners grasp of it.

[12FlyMe]

@freevirginia Davis "Slavery is a Divine Gift" was in a list of his quotes, but I will try to chase it down to satisfy your "scholarly" criteria. Davis said slavery was the corner stone too -- do you have that speech Let me send it.

In that same speech, Jan 63, he said he would vanquish the North and reunite the nation, with all states being slave states.

Thanks to Google digitized book/papers, we are finding out all kinds of things that the South has hid for 150 years.

[freevirginia]

@12FlyMe I await the proof you say exists. Give us the google address that substantiates your claims concerning Davis and Lee.

[12FlyMe]

@freevirginia Well, let's do Davis speech saying he would vanquish the North, re-enslave all slaves ever freed in the South, reunite the country, all states having slavery? How about that one?

I will send you the speech itself.

[12FlyMe]

@12FlyMe You can also go to Google books, then" A house divided during the Civil War era" Page 80. Davis speech undermines basic tenents of the Southern Myths. He will reunite the country, all slave, is just mind boggling. But the goal of the slavers was always to spread slavery. He admits slavery is the cornerstone of the Confederacy -- its so obvious, he says, he doesnt need to comment on it. Every time I read it I find another bit of insanity in it.

[LongHairedLoser]

Sir

Could you send me the speech or a link to it?

I'm quite sick of hearing about the lost cause from neo-confederates and I need as much evidence to dispell their claims as posible.

[12FlyMe]

@LongHairedLoser Sure, I will send you any number of speeches. The one about Davis admitting slavery was the cornerstone of the CSA -- is the same speech he says all blacks EVER freed were hereby re-enslaved, he would reunite the north and south with slavery nationwide. You have to re-read that speech a number of times -- over a few months, to grasp how insane the fuck is.

THe Cornerstone speech, by the VP is amazing too. But these were TYPICAL of the time, not amazing to anyone then.

[LongHairedLoser]

Could you send me the Jefferson Davis Speech please.

[DurhamRebel]

@LongHairedLoser then quit listening to them

[LongHairedLoser]

Not while neo-confederates still bend history to suit they own agendas.

[DurhamRebel]

@LongHairedLoser why do you even care?

[LongHairedLoser]

Because so much harm was done by the hands of the CSA and the lost cause myth.

[DurhamRebel]

@LongHairedLoser like what? the north won the war. let the southern folks be proud of their heroes and their guts to stand up for what they think is right.

[LongHairedLoser]

I'm not against remembering and honoring soldiers for their bravery and achievements, they just shouldn't forget why they went to war in the first place.

[DurhamRebel]

@LongHairedLoser what do you mean?

[LongHairedLoser]

CSA soldiers can be honored for bravery and sacrifice but he fought on behalf of a government that to create a slave based republic with a slave based economy and social structure.

[DurhamRebel]

@LongHairedLoser That may have been a factor in the reason for the war. But I know my great great grandfather who was a poor farmer wasn't fighting to keep a rich mans slaves. He was in it for states rights and freedom.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@DurhamRebel He was conned by his state's rich, slave holding politicians.

[12FlyMe]

@freeva I agree -- one speech, even by VP explaining the Constitution he helped write, is just one star in a sky. Hardly a constellation does it make.

But there are thousands more-- Southern speeches, editorials, documents Just today I came across "Five Ultimatums" by Southern leaders at Mongtomery, that Lincoln would have to obey. Astonishing to the point of insanity.

Today I started a blog to list them, there are so many.

[michmtneer]

@12FlyMe: Please don't conflate the south with the confederacy. The planter oligarchy that took the south hostage for four years in no way represented the breadth of political thought in the region.

[12FlyMe]

@michmtneer Good point. Butstill, the leaders didnt take over for 4 years -- try 40. Since 1820, the slavers took over, and shut down open opposition to slavery, or even the questioning of slavery. Debow said God silenced the opposition to slavery "By His Holy Word". But really, it was the anti -incendiary laws.

That is basic to everything that happened, really nothing can be understood about 1861-64, unless you understand the suppression of free speech from 1820

[halo2994]

thank you for posting this, i am studying the Lost Cause right now.