i already told you im not gonna waste my time argueing with a fool like you. if you dont want 2 be believe in the truth then thats ur problem not mine.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Since I refuted every argument you made then by calling me an idiot you're saying you were outwitted by an idiot. That's not something you should be proud of.
@PaleoCowboy i said it is no use argueing with a fool like you cuz fools dont change there stupid ways. i was not beat by you more like you were beat by me. if you dont want to listen to the truth thats your problem not mine. thats what makes you a fool you dont listen to reason. i dont think it something to be proud about if you r a fool.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I was beat by you regarding what? I refuted every argument you had and even schooled you on things in the bible that you claimed weren't in there, and you didn't have any responses. You just started name-calling, personal attacks and trying to run away while baselessly asserting that you have "the truth." In my experience those who constantly refer to their beliefs as "the truth" do so out of insecurity due to lack of supporting evidence.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 And I especially love how you've said you'd be a fool to keep arguing, and yet you're still here. You're kind of shooting yourself in the foot on that one.
@PaleoCowboy u keep on talking 2 me and i have to reply. what r u trying 2 prove when u r argueing with peoples religions? u just want 2 b above every1 dont u?
@PaleoCowboy 4 ur info i have shot myself in the foot once and i had 2 go 2 the hospital!!!!!! jk!!!! i shot myself with a nerf gun in the foot!!!!!!hahahahahaha
@PaleoCowboy and besides that, it says in proverbs of what i just said. mr smarty pants! look it up. "If thou argue with a fool you will become a fool yourself."
@PaleoCowboy it was created in 6 days ur right. no donkeys and snakes didnt talk and dont talk. u must believe in those fictional books of narnia huh? what school do u go 2? well would u rather believe in the big bang theory that the earth was created in one minute? all of the evidence of the Bible took time because the earth is thousands of years old.
"And the serpent said unto the woman..." -Genesis 3:4
"And the ass said unto Balaam..." -Numbers 22:3
"no donkeys and snakes didnt talk and dont talk."
You're right, which is how we know the bible is mythology. Thank you for playing.
And your conflation of the big bang with the formation of the Earth, events separated by 9.2 billion years, and your statement that the Earth is "thousands of years old" tells me all I need to know about your "evidence."
@PaleoCowboy wow! it looks like u read the Bible a lot to know all those verses! keep up the good work with reading the Bible! the serpent that was speaking was satan trying to deceive eve to eat the fruit of good and evil and it says that satan can take the form of anything. and the donkey that was talking was trying to warn balaam to not talk against Israel. it was really God's words that was being spoken through a donkey.
Earlier you admitted that donkeys don't talk. Now you're contradicting yourself. Maybe you should get your myths sorted out before you present them to rational people.
@PaleoCowboy dude i said a miracle!!!!! can u even read?? poor guy, doesnt even know how 2 read!! what school did u go 2!!!!?? oh wait u didnt go 2 any school!!!lol
@PaleoCowboy oh yeah, and bout ur "evidence" that the earth is "9.2 billion years old" that is just the biggest lie that anyone or any scientist has ever made up!
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Earth is not 9.2 billion years old, it is 4.5 billion years old. We can measure this using Pb/Pb isochron with non-cogenic samples from throughout the solar system and confirm this using helioseismology to determine the time of fusion initiation in the Sun which matches this date to within measurement error. I said 9.2 billion years separate the big bang (13.7 billion years ago) from the origin of the Earth when you conflated the two.
@PaleoCowboy u know itz funny u still havent asked me what my evidence is! is it cuz ur 2 scared that i might have 2 much evidence than ur fake stuff!!!! im serious ask bout what evidence i have 4 the truth of the Bible!!!!!ask me
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I'm not interested in your silly rationalizations for superstition. I told you how we know how old the Earth is and it went over your head. If you want to have a discussion with me regarding the nature of the universe you need to go back to school and take some science courses to learn the basics of what we know and how we know it. While you're at it you can also learn spelling, capitalization and punctuation.
@PaleoCowboy im still in school and im sorry if u dont like my awesome writing but it may come az a shock, i love science! I just dont believe in the lies that the scientists make up while they r putting it in a book 4 all of us 2 learn. what proof do the scientists have, lies?! I will give u my proof, about the Bible.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I already told you how scientists know the age of the Earth and the solar system. If the big words tripped you up then you can google them. Google is your friend. You obviously have access to the internet and I gave you enough information to get you started figuring out what science has discovered about the history of the universe and the Earth.
@PaleoCowboy all my proof. the pyramids and just basically look at Egypt, Israel, Jesus' Tomb, all the holy temples, in the red sea (they found chariot wheels in that sea), the ark( on a mount Arat they found pieces of old gopher wood and sea shells there when the Flood happened), the dead sea scrolls, the city of david in Jerusalem, every culture usually has a story about a great flood(which means that it is true),
The existence of Israel is no more proof of the Bible than the existence of Greece is proof of Homer's Illiad or the existence of Mecca is proof of the Qur'an.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Why is it that when you think you have proof, you refer to your beliefs as "the truth" and the findings of science as "lies" and get pushy about it but when your "proofs" are systematically refuted suddenly you want to treat our beliefs as equally valid and take a position of non-confrontation?
@PaleoCowboy uh im confused r u talking 2 urself again? cuz thats what u have been doing ever since the first comment u wrote 2 me! i didnt start this argument, U DID!!!!
Has never actually been discovered to the satisfaction of the archaeological community. There are several different tombs that are claimed, mostly by the religious and those making money off tourists, to be the tombs of the historical Jesus but clearly they can't all be right. And perhaps the best candidate, the Talpiot tomb in East Jerusalem, has several attributes that contradict the bible's account.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 No, there are numerous locations that are CLAIMED to be the tomb of Jesus, most of them in Israel (although there's also one in Japan). NONE of them have been proven to the satisfaction of the archaeological community. As I said the closest is Talpiot and it contradicts the bible and orthodox christianity.
If you think Jesus' tomb has really been found then what is the exact location, name of the site and where was it published?
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 It sounds like you're talking about the Garden Tomb which many protestants now believe is the tomb of Jesus on very shaky grounds which is contradicted by more careful archaeological investigations. Catholics for the most part still hold to the traditionally believed place of Jesus' burial, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Both of these are separate locations from the arguably more well-supported Telpiot tomb.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 So as I said many locations have been CLAIMED to be the burial place of Jesus but NONE has sufficiently proven this to gain anything even approaching consensus in the archaeological community. Different churches will just pick their favourite location and teach it as if it were a proven fact that that's the tomb.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "in the red sea (they found chariot wheels in that sea)"
The Egyptians were trading extensively with the Arabs via the Red Sea for thousands of years and their boats weren't nearly as sturdy as those of today. If there's Spanish and British crap in the Atlantic why wouldn't there be Egyptian crap in the Red Sea?
@PaleoCowboy when Moses in the Bible split the red sea by the power of God the Egyptians went down there but it was 2 late God had already closed the red sea while they were in the middle of it. cuz God did not want the christians to die by the egyptians so He had 2 kill the evil egyptians
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I'm not talking about the killing of the Egyptian army pursuing the Israelites in Exodus 14. That could be defended on the grounds of self-defense (although an all-powerful god would have been able to stop an army without killing them).
I'm talking about the massacre of ALL the firstborn CHILDREN of Egypt in Exodus 12:29. That was premeditated genocide specifically targeting children and cannot be ethically defended.
@PaleoCowboy God has His own ways in time. He had that happen 4 a reason. u and me agree on that 1, i think all the time," y did He allow that 2 happen?" but He has Hi sown reason.
@PaleoCowboy the massacre was caused by a evil pharoah who heard that there might b hope that a boy would b born and he would lead the people out of egypt and save the hebrews. so he got worried and killed all of the newly born children( u and me think, y did God allow this 2 happen? no one knows except God )
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 No no no, again you're confusing 2 different stories. I'm not talking about pharoah's massacre of the Hebrew firstborn in Exodus 1, which I'm sure we can both agree is evil. I'm talking about God's massacre of all the Egyptian firstborn in Exodus 12 which any ethical person can see is equally evil.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women"
If those words were attributed to anyone other than the god of the bible would you describe the one uttering them as "loving"? This was God's command to the 6 men in Ezekiel 9 in response to people worshiping a different god. These are the parts they skip when you do bible study or readings in church.
@PaleoCowboy it was probably a very evil city that Israel had 2 destroy cuz they would not listen!!!!! they were doing evil things without shame? what would u do about that?
@PaleoCowboy yes He is loving cuz He did not want anyone else 2 have that bad influence. no they dont they say these verses all the time. anyways how do u know all these verses? u must read the Bible a lot huh? how do u know what they say in Bible studies and in Churches? u go 2 these? interesting
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "the ark( on a mount Arat they found pieces of old gopher wood"
Noah's ark has been "found" at least a dozen times. In the form of chemically treated railroad planks, reports of it frozen in a glacier, and perhaps the most famous being Ron Wyatt's misidentification of a common geologic feature of orogenic zones called a syncline.
Fossil marine organisms are very commonly found in mountainous areas because mountains form along collision zones of continental crust where marine shelf deposits of limestone and shale, and the marine fossils therein, are uplifted to form the mountains. I have many fine examples from the Cambrian and Carboniferous periods in my fossil collection.
Having really old copies of mythology doesn't make it any less mythology. The earliest manuscripts of the Epic of Atrahasis far predate the dead sea scrolls. Would you argue on that basis that it's historical and the Sumerian gods described therein are real? Also, the scrolls are about 30% apocryphal writings that were excluded from the bible when it was canonized and tell very different stories from modern christian orthodoxy.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Yes these other cultures are relevant to what we're talking about. The only reason the bible seems more plausible to you than other mythologies is because it's what you happened to be raised with and you're surrounded by people who also believe it because that's the dominant religion of your culture.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "the reason cuz i believe in Jesus is cuz its the only true story about a God that we can look up 2 when we r in trouble."
So you believe it because you WANT it to be true, not because you have any evidence. Because it's comforting to believe there is always someone looking after you. God is an imaginary friend with superpowers.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 You didn't give me "a bunch of evidence." You gave me a mix of non-sequiturs and nonsense that I refuted in seconds and you were unable to defend.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Had you been born in Saudi Arabia to Muslim parents you would have been taught from childhood that the Qur'an is the inerrant word of Allah and you would view Christianity the same way you view other religions/mythologies. Then you would have learned Muslim apologetics to "prove" that it's the truth and you'd be telling me about the scientific miracles of the Qur'an's description of embryos and the atmosphere instead of about Jesus' tomb and Noah's ark.
@PaleoCowboy no i was not born to muslim parents but im sure u were!!!!! all these names that u r talking about u know quite well! very interesting!! i have never heard of those gods cuz i am not a muslim like u!!!!sorry! i am a christian and i will never believe those things that u speak of!!! i will only ever believe in Jesus because he is the only true God in this universe unlike all of ur gods u muslim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 You say you've never even heard of the other gods. This is my point. You haven't evaluated all religions objectively and fairly, you've just bought into the one you happened to have been born into. And I'm not Muslim just because I know a lot about Islam nor am I Christian because I know a lot about Christianity. I don't believe in any gods or any religions because none of them been proven. They're all supported by bad arguments that are easily refuted.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 We're all biased by the beliefs that we're exposed to. That's why we have to take a step back and weigh all possibilities objectively. We need to look at ALL the different beliefs about ALL the different gods and then judge the validity of those stories in a fair manner that doesn't show favouritism towards whichever we are most familiar with.
@PaleoCowboy we r biased cuz none of these gods r true!!!! get over it!!! u r wrong with ur religon!!!! i never want to examine other evil gods!!!! what beliefs r there with fake myths!!! none o these stories r true cuz the story of Jesus is the only true one!!!! get over it u r wrong!!!!!!
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I agree that none of the gods are true, including yours. You say I'm wrong with my religion but I have no religion. And just as you view the stories of other religions as fake myths, other religions view your religion's stories as fake myths.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I don't need imaginary friends to "look up to." That's your weakness not mine. I'm capable of facing reality on its own terms without wrapping myself in a security blanket of mythology.
Mythology usually incorporates real locations. If the city of David proves the biblical stories about a god then you must also accept that the existence of Mount Olympus proves the Greek pantheon of gods and that the existence of New York proves the stories of Spiderman true in which the city is referred to.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 My point with Spiderman and the Olympian gods is that if the very arguments you are using for the bible stories can be taken verbatim and used to "prove" things that you and I both agree are fiction then clearly those arguments aren't valid.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "My point with Spiderman and the Olympian gods is that if the very arguments you are using for the bible stories can be taken verbatim and used to "prove" things that you and I both agree are fiction then clearly those arguments aren't valid."
That's what I said earlier. What part of that did you not understand? Where did you get the idea from that that I believe in Zeus and Spiderman? Did you miss the "things that you and I both agree are FICTION" part?
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 You're partially right though. The flood myth in Genesis is an exaggerated monotheistic retelling of the earlier flood myth in the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh which was in turn adapted from the Sumerian Epic of Atrahasis which tells the story of a flood on the Euphrates river around 2900 BC that destroyed the Sumerian cities of Shuruppak and Ur and is corroborated by archaeological excavations in those cities and the reference in the Sumerian king list.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 There isn't even enough water in the world to cover the continents. If there was then they'd already be covered. Water only gets moved from one place to another. When too much water is dumped in a river at one time by excessive melt runoff or rain that's when you get a flood. We can trace the literary history of the Genesis flood myth from the actual event on the Euphrates river, to the accounts of the Sumerians, Babylonians, Hebrews, then the Greeks.
@PaleoCowboy THE BIBLE IS NOT A MYTH!!!! the flood began when God opened "up the heavens" and all the rain poured out everywhere in the whole world!! not just 1 place it rained everywhere
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Actually Genesis 7:11 says "the windows of heaven were opened" when the flood began. This is because the Hebrews believed that the sky was a solid dome, called the firmament, that held up water above the flat circular Earth. They referred to the oceans as the lower waters and the water above the firmament as the upper waters. This is what Genesis 1:6-7 refers to. Google "Hebrew cosmology." Do you think rain really comes out of windows in the sky?
@PaleoCowboy dude if you really were educated you would realize that "the windows in the heavens opened" is just another way of describing that everywhere in the world it rained at the time of the flood.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 No, raining everywhere in the world is how your modern church interprets that passage because they no longer believe the sky is solid and has windows. Similarly, day-age creationists would call you uneducated for thinking the 6 days of creation in Genesis were literal 24 hour days because they believe they are symbolic days that represent periods of millions of years.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 The Roman Catholic Church, the world's largest denomination of Christianity, accepts the measured value for the age of the Earth and believes Genesis is metaphorical not literal, similar to the parables of Jesus. They learned their lesson about science denial after the incident with Galileo. Your church has some catching up to do. Do they still think the Sun goes around the Earth?
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I'm not the one who put up a video about a solar eclipse, something real, but filled it with mythology. I just asked that people not confuse astronomy with mythology and you went apeshit and wanted to start an argument because you thought you had "proof". It's only now that you realize your "proofs" are worthless that you just want to be left alone. You've retreated from the offensive to the defensive.
@PaleoCowboy no one has filled it with mythology!!!!!!!this is not mythology!!!!!! i told u 2 leave peoples religions alone!!!!! it didnt start the argument u did!!!!!! i told u to leave peoples religions alone!!!! my proof is superior over ur fictional science!!!! the earth is over billions of years old???? thats insane!!!!! U realize that UR proofs r worthless otherwise u wouldnt have kept this argument going on!!!!!!! yes leave me alone and other peoples religions alone!!!!!!!!
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 If you don't want me to refer to mythologies as mythologies what do you want me to call them? "Ancient stories involving gods and other supernatural entities" seems unnecessarily long-winded when we already have a term for it.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Actually there are thousands of gods from thousands of religions, both extant and extinct. There are also several gods referred to as "the one True God" by several monotheisms including Judaeism, Christianity and Islam. It's funny that you promote religionism over science yet you seem to know nothing about either.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 The oldest dated terrestrial rock comes from the Acasta Gneiss in the Canadian Northwest Territories and dates to 4.031 +/- 0.003 billion years. The oldest terrestrial mineral grain is a detrital zircon in Western Australia's Jack Hills at 4.404 +/- 0.008 billion. Asteroidal meteorites consistently yield ages of 4.5-4.6 billion years and helioseismology has dated the start of fusion in the Sun at 4.5 +/- 0.1 billion. So what's your problem?
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Earth must be at least as old as the oldest rocks that make up its crust which as I said are 4.031 +/-0.003 billion years old, with the oldest dated mineral being 4.404 +/-0.008 billion. That's the lower limit. Pb/Pb isochron of non-cogenic samples from meteorites and Earth sediments and galenas yields an age for divergence from isotopic homogeneity in the solar system of 4.55 billion years, in agreement with helioseismologically derived age for the Sun.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 It's ironic that you'd tell me to leave other people's religions alone after you dismissed other religions' gods as "fake" and "evil." Physician, heal thyself.
@PaleoCowboy as i have said it says in the Bible "if you argue with a fool you will become a fool yourself." thats what i have been doing with you the whole time! if you dont want to believe in the truth then thats your problem! i have spent to much time argeuing with you! what did your parents teach you when you grew up? to hate everyone in the world except for yourself? WOW! thats sad because thats what you act like! do you have anyone loving in YOUR life? good bye loser
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Yes I would argue with other people's religions. I've debated numerous muslims when they similarly assert their "true religion" and try to support it with "proofs" of similar caliber to yours. I don't care whose mythology is being confused with astronomy, I'm still going to call them on it.
@PaleoCowboy u know i have wasted enough time with u! its says in proverbs"if u argue with a fool u r a fool urself" and thats what i have doing with u this whole time! u know if u dont believe in the truth thats ur problem not mine!
@PaleoCowboy And they found unusually large bodys in Greece(look it up on google im sure u will find it) which is found in scripture, Genesis 6:4,"There were giants on the earth in those days,.............they were the mighty men of old........"
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "And they found unusually large bodys in Greece(look it up on google im sure u will find it)"
If you dig a little deeper you'll find those are all hoaxes using photoshop or forced perspective photography. Check snopes and verify your sources in the peer-reviewed literature. While there is variation in human height I guarantee you won't find a thing in real archaeology journals about 20 foot humans.
@PaleoCowboy dude they arent photo shop, u think ur so smart huh? u think ur perfect huh? all these science classes that u take r really gonna make u awesome huh? dude just admit that ur wrong and this dumb argument that u started can be over!!!!!
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 So you think the giant skeletons are real? What museum or university collection are they in? Seriously, dig a little deeper.
Just admit that I'm wrong about what? You haven't even attempted a refutation of anything I've said. I actually wish you could prove me wrong on something so I could show you how a rational person deals with disconfirming facts with intellectual honesty.
@PaleoCowboy If someone cant believe all of that proof that is found in the Bible then what is there to believe in except lies. Please, dont believe in lies that scientists have made up they are confused because they dont know Jesus, and i dont want you to be confused either. Even though it seems like we hate each other on the comments we make to each other i still do care about you. God is a loving God and He loves everyone in this whole earth. Even if we are bad.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "If someone cant believe all of that proof that is found in the Bible"
There is no such proof, just really bad arguments that can be shot down like fish in a barrel. You're not alone though, Muslims have similar rapid-fire lists of "proofs" of the Qur'an which are equally vacuous.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "Please, dont believe in lies that scientists have made up they are confused because they dont know Jesus, and i dont want you to be confused either."
I'm not confused. Remember that I gave you the info on how the Earth and Sun are dated and you were the one who didn't understand it. Your failure to understand the methods and findings of science doesn't make them lies.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "Even though it seems like we hate each other on the comments we make to each other i still do care about you."
I don't hate you. I originally posted because I don't appreciate myth and superstition contaminating science education and I'd like to be able to find real information on eclipses without being flooded with videos of nuts announcing the end of the world based on mythology who before youtube would have been waving cardboard signs.
@PaleoCowboy what i am talking about is not a myth or superstition!!!!! all u care about is science and nobody else huh? who is the nut? talk 2 ur self! no one is announcing that the world is ending!
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 No, I care about everyone. I value life and compassion, but I also value truth. And science is the persuit of truth and is the only method that is self-correcting and derives its conclusions from verifiable observations of reality and tests its own conclusions with harsh skepticism in the light of that reality.
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "God is a loving God and He loves everyone in this whole earth. Even if we are bad."
If you're talking about the god of the bible who killed all the firstborn of an entire country and who ordered the Israelites to exterminate the native peoples of the promised land then I have no interest in that kind of "love". If I needed to pick a god to validate myself I'd pick one who's demonstrated worthiness of worship.
@PaleoCowboy what r u talking about there is no such story as that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was a pharoah in the Bible that ordered that all the first born of the Hebrews would b killed. in egypt
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Wow dude, yes there is such a story as that. Yes, in the beginning of Exodus the pharaoh ordered the firstborn Hebrew children to be killed so Moses' mother placed infant Moses in a basket and he was rescued by an Egyptian. But later in Exodus when Moses comes back to free the Hebrews God brings down the ten plagues of Egypt, the 10th of which is the death of all the firstborn Egyptians. I know it's evil but it's seriously in there. Read Exodus 12.
@PaleoCowboy now i know wut ur talking about!!! God is a merciful God because He gave all the non believers tons of chances during the plagues and the ones that didnt listen had to be punished. tell me would u just let a person get away with murder without punishing them? thats wut the egyptians were basically doing to the christians
the pharoeh is the head of the country. if he listened 2 wut God had 2 say then the country and itz babys would hav been spared
IamtheBogusGuyo321 1 month ago
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IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Yes I did...idiot.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Yes I did...idiot.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy NO U DIDNT !!!!!!!!!1
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
i already told you im not gonna waste my time argueing with a fool like you. if you dont want 2 be believe in the truth then thats ur problem not mine.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "i already told you im not gonna waste my time argueing with a fool like you."
Careful, "...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." -Matthew 5:22
Like I said, you are clueless even when it comes to the very religion you're using to deny science.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy maybe so, but at least im not a idiot like u.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Since I refuted every argument you made then by calling me an idiot you're saying you were outwitted by an idiot. That's not something you should be proud of.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy i said it is no use argueing with a fool like you cuz fools dont change there stupid ways. i was not beat by you more like you were beat by me. if you dont want to listen to the truth thats your problem not mine. thats what makes you a fool you dont listen to reason. i dont think it something to be proud about if you r a fool.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I was beat by you regarding what? I refuted every argument you had and even schooled you on things in the bible that you claimed weren't in there, and you didn't have any responses. You just started name-calling, personal attacks and trying to run away while baselessly asserting that you have "the truth." In my experience those who constantly refer to their beliefs as "the truth" do so out of insecurity due to lack of supporting evidence.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy u havent responded to all of my refutes dude check out all of the comments. u missed some
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Which did I miss? I'll be happy to address it.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy look at all the comments we made 2 eachother
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Yes, they're very pretty. You said I left a point you made unrefuted. Which point?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy wutz pretty? look at the comments we made 2 eachother
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Yes I see them. What about them?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy dude ur really stuipid!! ur supposed 2 answer those comments!! idiot
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Which comments? I answered them all...idiot.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy im gonna check.........idiot
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy nope didnt answer all of them.......idiot
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 And I especially love how you've said you'd be a fool to keep arguing, and yet you're still here. You're kind of shooting yourself in the foot on that one.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy u keep on talking 2 me and i have to reply. what r u trying 2 prove when u r argueing with peoples religions? u just want 2 b above every1 dont u?
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy 4 ur info i have shot myself in the foot once and i had 2 go 2 the hospital!!!!!! jk!!!! i shot myself with a nerf gun in the foot!!!!!!hahahahahaha
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy and besides that, it says in proverbs of what i just said. mr smarty pants! look it up. "If thou argue with a fool you will become a fool yourself."
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
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IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
Wtf is this shit. Don't confuse mythology with astronomy.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy well im sorry that i care about people lives.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy oh by the way jesus is not a myth. look at all the evidence that there is on the earth about the Bible.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Yeah like all that evidence that the Earth was created in 6 days and that snakes and donkeys can talk.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy it was created in 6 days ur right. no donkeys and snakes didnt talk and dont talk. u must believe in those fictional books of narnia huh? what school do u go 2? well would u rather believe in the big bang theory that the earth was created in one minute? all of the evidence of the Bible took time because the earth is thousands of years old.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321
"And the serpent said unto the woman..." -Genesis 3:4
"And the ass said unto Balaam..." -Numbers 22:3
"no donkeys and snakes didnt talk and dont talk."
You're right, which is how we know the bible is mythology. Thank you for playing.
And your conflation of the big bang with the formation of the Earth, events separated by 9.2 billion years, and your statement that the Earth is "thousands of years old" tells me all I need to know about your "evidence."
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy wow! it looks like u read the Bible a lot to know all those verses! keep up the good work with reading the Bible! the serpent that was speaking was satan trying to deceive eve to eat the fruit of good and evil and it says that satan can take the form of anything. and the donkey that was talking was trying to warn balaam to not talk against Israel. it was really God's words that was being spoken through a donkey.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
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@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "and the donkey that was talking..."
Earlier you admitted that donkeys don't talk. Now you're contradicting yourself. Maybe you should get your myths sorted out before you present them to rational people.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy and thank u 4 for ur "evidence" that " the earth is 9.2 billion years old," now I KNOW that ur theory is a myth!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy animals really cant talk by themselves! ur right! it is the miracle that God allows them to talk!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Oh I see, animals can only talk when there's magic afoot. What was I thinking! You're a hoot man.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy dude i said a miracle!!!!! can u even read?? poor guy, doesnt even know how 2 read!! what school did u go 2!!!!?? oh wait u didnt go 2 any school!!!lol
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy oh yeah, and bout ur "evidence" that the earth is "9.2 billion years old" that is just the biggest lie that anyone or any scientist has ever made up!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Earth is not 9.2 billion years old, it is 4.5 billion years old. We can measure this using Pb/Pb isochron with non-cogenic samples from throughout the solar system and confirm this using helioseismology to determine the time of fusion initiation in the Sun which matches this date to within measurement error. I said 9.2 billion years separate the big bang (13.7 billion years ago) from the origin of the Earth when you conflated the two.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy what!!!! nothing of this that u said makes since!!! no wonder ur confused!!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 It makes perfect sense. You're just too stupid for science.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy ditto. ur just 2 stuipid 4 the truth!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy u know itz funny u still havent asked me what my evidence is! is it cuz ur 2 scared that i might have 2 much evidence than ur fake stuff!!!! im serious ask bout what evidence i have 4 the truth of the Bible!!!!!ask me
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I'm not interested in your silly rationalizations for superstition. I told you how we know how old the Earth is and it went over your head. If you want to have a discussion with me regarding the nature of the universe you need to go back to school and take some science courses to learn the basics of what we know and how we know it. While you're at it you can also learn spelling, capitalization and punctuation.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy im still in school and im sorry if u dont like my awesome writing but it may come az a shock, i love science! I just dont believe in the lies that the scientists make up while they r putting it in a book 4 all of us 2 learn. what proof do the scientists have, lies?! I will give u my proof, about the Bible.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I already told you how scientists know the age of the Earth and the solar system. If the big words tripped you up then you can google them. Google is your friend. You obviously have access to the internet and I gave you enough information to get you started figuring out what science has discovered about the history of the universe and the Earth.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
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IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy its still not that old but whatever
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 What's still not how old?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy what?
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy all my proof. the pyramids and just basically look at Egypt, Israel, Jesus' Tomb, all the holy temples, in the red sea (they found chariot wheels in that sea), the ark( on a mount Arat they found pieces of old gopher wood and sea shells there when the Flood happened), the dead sea scrolls, the city of david in Jerusalem, every culture usually has a story about a great flood(which means that it is true),
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "Israel"
The existence of Israel is no more proof of the Bible than the existence of Greece is proof of Homer's Illiad or the existence of Mecca is proof of the Qur'an.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
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IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy u believe wut u believe and i will believe what i believe
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Why is it that when you think you have proof, you refer to your beliefs as "the truth" and the findings of science as "lies" and get pushy about it but when your "proofs" are systematically refuted suddenly you want to treat our beliefs as equally valid and take a position of non-confrontation?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy uh im confused r u talking 2 urself again? cuz thats what u have been doing ever since the first comment u wrote 2 me! i didnt start this argument, U DID!!!!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "Jesus' Tomb"
Has never actually been discovered to the satisfaction of the archaeological community. There are several different tombs that are claimed, mostly by the religious and those making money off tourists, to be the tombs of the historical Jesus but clearly they can't all be right. And perhaps the best candidate, the Talpiot tomb in East Jerusalem, has several attributes that contradict the bible's account.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy they have found it, its in Israel
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 No, there are numerous locations that are CLAIMED to be the tomb of Jesus, most of them in Israel (although there's also one in Japan). NONE of them have been proven to the satisfaction of the archaeological community. As I said the closest is Talpiot and it contradicts the bible and orthodox christianity.
If you think Jesus' tomb has really been found then what is the exact location, name of the site and where was it published?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy whatever it has been found. the site is north of the damascus gate.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
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@PaleoCowboy whatever it has been found. the site is north of the damascus gate.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy whatever it has been found and this is the location. north of the damascas gate in jerusalem.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 It sounds like you're talking about the Garden Tomb which many protestants now believe is the tomb of Jesus on very shaky grounds which is contradicted by more careful archaeological investigations. Catholics for the most part still hold to the traditionally believed place of Jesus' burial, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Both of these are separate locations from the arguably more well-supported Telpiot tomb.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 So as I said many locations have been CLAIMED to be the burial place of Jesus but NONE has sufficiently proven this to gain anything even approaching consensus in the archaeological community. Different churches will just pick their favourite location and teach it as if it were a proven fact that that's the tomb.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy ur such a liar
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "all the holy temples"
There's temples all over the world for all different religions both extant and extinct. Do Mayan pyramids prove Quetzalcoatl is real?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy dude i meant by all the temples in Israel!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Yes there are lots of temples in Israel. What about them?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy they showed that many people believed in God and still believe in God. they r very holy places
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "in the red sea (they found chariot wheels in that sea)"
The Egyptians were trading extensively with the Arabs via the Red Sea for thousands of years and their boats weren't nearly as sturdy as those of today. If there's Spanish and British crap in the Atlantic why wouldn't there be Egyptian crap in the Red Sea?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy when Moses in the Bible split the red sea by the power of God the Egyptians went down there but it was 2 late God had already closed the red sea while they were in the middle of it. cuz God did not want the christians to die by the egyptians so He had 2 kill the evil egyptians
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I'm not talking about the killing of the Egyptian army pursuing the Israelites in Exodus 14. That could be defended on the grounds of self-defense (although an all-powerful god would have been able to stop an army without killing them).
I'm talking about the massacre of ALL the firstborn CHILDREN of Egypt in Exodus 12:29. That was premeditated genocide specifically targeting children and cannot be ethically defended.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy God has His own ways in time. He had that happen 4 a reason. u and me agree on that 1, i think all the time," y did He allow that 2 happen?" but He has Hi sown reason.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy the massacre was caused by a evil pharoah who heard that there might b hope that a boy would b born and he would lead the people out of egypt and save the hebrews. so he got worried and killed all of the newly born children( u and me think, y did God allow this 2 happen? no one knows except God )
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 No no no, again you're confusing 2 different stories. I'm not talking about pharoah's massacre of the Hebrew firstborn in Exodus 1, which I'm sure we can both agree is evil. I'm talking about God's massacre of all the Egyptian firstborn in Exodus 12 which any ethical person can see is equally evil.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women"
If those words were attributed to anyone other than the god of the bible would you describe the one uttering them as "loving"? This was God's command to the 6 men in Ezekiel 9 in response to people worshiping a different god. These are the parts they skip when you do bible study or readings in church.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy it was probably a very evil city that Israel had 2 destroy cuz they would not listen!!!!! they were doing evil things without shame? what would u do about that?
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy yes He is loving cuz He did not want anyone else 2 have that bad influence. no they dont they say these verses all the time. anyways how do u know all these verses? u must read the Bible a lot huh? how do u know what they say in Bible studies and in Churches? u go 2 these? interesting
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
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@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "the ark( on a mount Arat they found pieces of old gopher wood"
Noah's ark has been "found" at least a dozen times. In the form of chemically treated railroad planks, reports of it frozen in a glacier, and perhaps the most famous being Ron Wyatt's misidentification of a common geologic feature of orogenic zones called a syncline.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "and sea shells there when the Flood happened)"
Fossil marine organisms are very commonly found in mountainous areas because mountains form along collision zones of continental crust where marine shelf deposits of limestone and shale, and the marine fossils therein, are uplifted to form the mountains. I have many fine examples from the Cambrian and Carboniferous periods in my fossil collection.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy that might of happened i dont know
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "the dead sea scrolls"
Having really old copies of mythology doesn't make it any less mythology. The earliest manuscripts of the Epic of Atrahasis far predate the dead sea scrolls. Would you argue on that basis that it's historical and the Sumerian gods described therein are real? Also, the scrolls are about 30% apocryphal writings that were excluded from the bible when it was canonized and tell very different stories from modern christian orthodoxy.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy the bible is not mythology!!!!!! what r u talking about all these cultures!!! that has nothing 2 do of what we r talking about!!!!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Yes these other cultures are relevant to what we're talking about. The only reason the bible seems more plausible to you than other mythologies is because it's what you happened to be raised with and you're surrounded by people who also believe it because that's the dominant religion of your culture.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy the reason cuz i believe in Jesus is cuz its the only true story about a God that we can look up 2 when we r in trouble.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
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@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "the reason cuz i believe in Jesus is cuz its the only true story about a God that we can look up 2 when we r in trouble."
So you believe it because you WANT it to be true, not because you have any evidence. Because it's comforting to believe there is always someone looking after you. God is an imaginary friend with superpowers.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy i didnt say i wanted it to be true, it is true
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy i already gave u a bunch of evidence. yes u could say that God has super powers, He made this earth!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 You didn't give me "a bunch of evidence." You gave me a mix of non-sequiturs and nonsense that I refuted in seconds and you were unable to defend.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy i defended quite well! i would like to hear ur evidence
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 My evidence for what?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Had you been born in Saudi Arabia to Muslim parents you would have been taught from childhood that the Qur'an is the inerrant word of Allah and you would view Christianity the same way you view other religions/mythologies. Then you would have learned Muslim apologetics to "prove" that it's the truth and you'd be telling me about the scientific miracles of the Qur'an's description of embryos and the atmosphere instead of about Jesus' tomb and Noah's ark.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy no i was not born to muslim parents but im sure u were!!!!! all these names that u r talking about u know quite well! very interesting!! i have never heard of those gods cuz i am not a muslim like u!!!!sorry! i am a christian and i will never believe those things that u speak of!!! i will only ever believe in Jesus because he is the only true God in this universe unlike all of ur gods u muslim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 You say you've never even heard of the other gods. This is my point. You haven't evaluated all religions objectively and fairly, you've just bought into the one you happened to have been born into. And I'm not Muslim just because I know a lot about Islam nor am I Christian because I know a lot about Christianity. I don't believe in any gods or any religions because none of them been proven. They're all supported by bad arguments that are easily refuted.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy i dont want to know of the other Gods cuz they r evil!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 We're all biased by the beliefs that we're exposed to. That's why we have to take a step back and weigh all possibilities objectively. We need to look at ALL the different beliefs about ALL the different gods and then judge the validity of those stories in a fair manner that doesn't show favouritism towards whichever we are most familiar with.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy we r biased cuz none of these gods r true!!!! get over it!!! u r wrong with ur religon!!!! i never want to examine other evil gods!!!! what beliefs r there with fake myths!!! none o these stories r true cuz the story of Jesus is the only true one!!!! get over it u r wrong!!!!!!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I agree that none of the gods are true, including yours. You say I'm wrong with my religion but I have no religion. And just as you view the stories of other religions as fake myths, other religions view your religion's stories as fake myths.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy my God is true!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy no religion huh? so who do u look up to, urself?
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I don't need imaginary friends to "look up to." That's your weakness not mine. I'm capable of facing reality on its own terms without wrapping myself in a security blanket of mythology.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy no thats ur weakness
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "the city of david in Jerusalem"
Mythology usually incorporates real locations. If the city of David proves the biblical stories about a god then you must also accept that the existence of Mount Olympus proves the Greek pantheon of gods and that the existence of New York proves the stories of Spiderman true in which the city is referred to.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy the Bible is not a myth
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy mount olympus and spider man having nothing 2 do about this matter
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 My point with Spiderman and the Olympian gods is that if the very arguments you are using for the bible stories can be taken verbatim and used to "prove" things that you and I both agree are fiction then clearly those arguments aren't valid.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy dont tell me u believe in zeus and spider man now?????? wow
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
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@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "My point with Spiderman and the Olympian gods is that if the very arguments you are using for the bible stories can be taken verbatim and used to "prove" things that you and I both agree are fiction then clearly those arguments aren't valid."
That's what I said earlier. What part of that did you not understand? Where did you get the idea from that that I believe in Zeus and Spiderman? Did you miss the "things that you and I both agree are FICTION" part?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy well u believe that the earth is billions of years old so y dont u believe in spider man also? both of these things r fiction
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "every culture usually has a story about a great flood(which means that it is true)"
Most cultures build around rivers as a source of fresh water and transportation and rivers routinely flood so such stories would be expected.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy what!!!!!!!!?????
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 You're partially right though. The flood myth in Genesis is an exaggerated monotheistic retelling of the earlier flood myth in the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh which was in turn adapted from the Sumerian Epic of Atrahasis which tells the story of a flood on the Euphrates river around 2900 BC that destroyed the Sumerian cities of Shuruppak and Ur and is corroborated by archaeological excavations in those cities and the reference in the Sumerian king list.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy its not a myth!!!!!!the flood covered the whole earth not just a couple places!!!!!!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 There isn't even enough water in the world to cover the continents. If there was then they'd already be covered. Water only gets moved from one place to another. When too much water is dumped in a river at one time by excessive melt runoff or rain that's when you get a flood. We can trace the literary history of the Genesis flood myth from the actual event on the Euphrates river, to the accounts of the Sumerians, Babylonians, Hebrews, then the Greeks.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy THE BIBLE IS NOT A MYTH!!!! the flood began when God opened "up the heavens" and all the rain poured out everywhere in the whole world!! not just 1 place it rained everywhere
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Actually Genesis 7:11 says "the windows of heaven were opened" when the flood began. This is because the Hebrews believed that the sky was a solid dome, called the firmament, that held up water above the flat circular Earth. They referred to the oceans as the lower waters and the water above the firmament as the upper waters. This is what Genesis 1:6-7 refers to. Google "Hebrew cosmology." Do you think rain really comes out of windows in the sky?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy dude if you really were educated you would realize that "the windows in the heavens opened" is just another way of describing that everywhere in the world it rained at the time of the flood.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 No, raining everywhere in the world is how your modern church interprets that passage because they no longer believe the sky is solid and has windows. Similarly, day-age creationists would call you uneducated for thinking the 6 days of creation in Genesis were literal 24 hour days because they believe they are symbolic days that represent periods of millions of years.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy how would u know what they say in church? millions of years???? thats insane
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 The Roman Catholic Church, the world's largest denomination of Christianity, accepts the measured value for the age of the Earth and believes Genesis is metaphorical not literal, similar to the parables of Jesus. They learned their lesson about science denial after the incident with Galileo. Your church has some catching up to do. Do they still think the Sun goes around the Earth?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy ur such a lair
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy how do u know what they say in church and at Bible study? u go 2 one
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy if you have no religion then y annoy people about having theirs!!!!??? just bug off man!!! leave us people with religions alone!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 I'm not the one who put up a video about a solar eclipse, something real, but filled it with mythology. I just asked that people not confuse astronomy with mythology and you went apeshit and wanted to start an argument because you thought you had "proof". It's only now that you realize your "proofs" are worthless that you just want to be left alone. You've retreated from the offensive to the defensive.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy no one has filled it with mythology!!!!!!!this is not mythology!!!!!! i told u 2 leave peoples religions alone!!!!! it didnt start the argument u did!!!!!! i told u to leave peoples religions alone!!!! my proof is superior over ur fictional science!!!! the earth is over billions of years old???? thats insane!!!!! U realize that UR proofs r worthless otherwise u wouldnt have kept this argument going on!!!!!!! yes leave me alone and other peoples religions alone!!!!!!!!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 If you don't want me to refer to mythologies as mythologies what do you want me to call them? "Ancient stories involving gods and other supernatural entities" seems unnecessarily long-winded when we already have a term for it.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy it is not a myth and there is only 1 true God not gods!!!!!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Actually there are thousands of gods from thousands of religions, both extant and extinct. There are also several gods referred to as "the one True God" by several monotheisms including Judaeism, Christianity and Islam. It's funny that you promote religionism over science yet you seem to know nothing about either.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy ditto
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 The oldest dated terrestrial rock comes from the Acasta Gneiss in the Canadian Northwest Territories and dates to 4.031 +/- 0.003 billion years. The oldest terrestrial mineral grain is a detrital zircon in Western Australia's Jack Hills at 4.404 +/- 0.008 billion. Asteroidal meteorites consistently yield ages of 4.5-4.6 billion years and helioseismology has dated the start of fusion in the Sun at 4.5 +/- 0.1 billion. So what's your problem?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy the earth is not that old! if you look deeper into it u can se that it is photoshop!!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Earth must be at least as old as the oldest rocks that make up its crust which as I said are 4.031 +/-0.003 billion years old, with the oldest dated mineral being 4.404 +/-0.008 billion. That's the lower limit. Pb/Pb isochron of non-cogenic samples from meteorites and Earth sediments and galenas yields an age for divergence from isotopic homogeneity in the solar system of 4.55 billion years, in agreement with helioseismologically derived age for the Sun.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy not true
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 It's ironic that you'd tell me to leave other people's religions alone after you dismissed other religions' gods as "fake" and "evil." Physician, heal thyself.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy yeah just leave people alone will u?!!!!!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy as i have said it says in the Bible "if you argue with a fool you will become a fool yourself." thats what i have been doing with you the whole time! if you dont want to believe in the truth then thats your problem! i have spent to much time argeuing with you! what did your parents teach you when you grew up? to hate everyone in the world except for yourself? WOW! thats sad because thats what you act like! do you have anyone loving in YOUR life? good bye loser
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy i bet u wouldnt argue with other peoples religions like this would u? u omly do this to christians true religion huh?
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Yes I would argue with other people's religions. I've debated numerous muslims when they similarly assert their "true religion" and try to support it with "proofs" of similar caliber to yours. I don't care whose mythology is being confused with astronomy, I'm still going to call them on it.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy dude ur the 1 that is being offensive and defensive about ur "proofs."
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy u know i have wasted enough time with u! its says in proverbs"if u argue with a fool u r a fool urself" and thats what i have doing with u this whole time! u know if u dont believe in the truth thats ur problem not mine!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy And they found unusually large bodys in Greece(look it up on google im sure u will find it) which is found in scripture, Genesis 6:4,"There were giants on the earth in those days,.............they were the mighty men of old........"
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "And they found unusually large bodys in Greece(look it up on google im sure u will find it)"
If you dig a little deeper you'll find those are all hoaxes using photoshop or forced perspective photography. Check snopes and verify your sources in the peer-reviewed literature. While there is variation in human height I guarantee you won't find a thing in real archaeology journals about 20 foot humans.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy dude they arent photo shop, u think ur so smart huh? u think ur perfect huh? all these science classes that u take r really gonna make u awesome huh? dude just admit that ur wrong and this dumb argument that u started can be over!!!!!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 So you think the giant skeletons are real? What museum or university collection are they in? Seriously, dig a little deeper.
Just admit that I'm wrong about what? You haven't even attempted a refutation of anything I've said. I actually wish you could prove me wrong on something so I could show you how a rational person deals with disconfirming facts with intellectual honesty.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy y dont u look into it since ur so smart
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
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@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Look into what?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy If someone cant believe all of that proof that is found in the Bible then what is there to believe in except lies. Please, dont believe in lies that scientists have made up they are confused because they dont know Jesus, and i dont want you to be confused either. Even though it seems like we hate each other on the comments we make to each other i still do care about you. God is a loving God and He loves everyone in this whole earth. Even if we are bad.
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
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@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "If someone cant believe all of that proof that is found in the Bible"
There is no such proof, just really bad arguments that can be shot down like fish in a barrel. You're not alone though, Muslims have similar rapid-fire lists of "proofs" of the Qur'an which are equally vacuous.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy yeah muslim boy
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 What muslim boy?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy u
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "Please, dont believe in lies that scientists have made up they are confused because they dont know Jesus, and i dont want you to be confused either."
I'm not confused. Remember that I gave you the info on how the Earth and Sun are dated and you were the one who didn't understand it. Your failure to understand the methods and findings of science doesn't make them lies.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy i dont understand it cuz they make it up!!! hello
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "Even though it seems like we hate each other on the comments we make to each other i still do care about you."
I don't hate you. I originally posted because I don't appreciate myth and superstition contaminating science education and I'd like to be able to find real information on eclipses without being flooded with videos of nuts announcing the end of the world based on mythology who before youtube would have been waving cardboard signs.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy what i am talking about is not a myth or superstition!!!!! all u care about is science and nobody else huh? who is the nut? talk 2 ur self! no one is announcing that the world is ending!
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 No, I care about everyone. I value life and compassion, but I also value truth. And science is the persuit of truth and is the only method that is self-correcting and derives its conclusions from verifiable observations of reality and tests its own conclusions with harsh skepticism in the light of that reality.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy whatever
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 "God is a loving God and He loves everyone in this whole earth. Even if we are bad."
If you're talking about the god of the bible who killed all the firstborn of an entire country and who ordered the Israelites to exterminate the native peoples of the promised land then I have no interest in that kind of "love". If I needed to pick a god to validate myself I'd pick one who's demonstrated worthiness of worship.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy what r u talking about there is no such story as that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was a pharoah in the Bible that ordered that all the first born of the Hebrews would b killed. in egypt
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 Wow dude, yes there is such a story as that. Yes, in the beginning of Exodus the pharaoh ordered the firstborn Hebrew children to be killed so Moses' mother placed infant Moses in a basket and he was rescued by an Egyptian. But later in Exodus when Moses comes back to free the Hebrews God brings down the ten plagues of Egypt, the 10th of which is the death of all the firstborn Egyptians. I know it's evil but it's seriously in there. Read Exodus 12.
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy now i know wut ur talking about!!! God is a merciful God because He gave all the non believers tons of chances during the plagues and the ones that didnt listen had to be punished. tell me would u just let a person get away with murder without punishing them? thats wut the egyptians were basically doing to the christians
IamtheBogusGuyo321 2 months ago
@IamtheBogusGuyo321 So you think babies are murderers?
PaleoCowboy 2 months ago
@PaleoCowboy where do u get that idea? i never said that! ur probably thinking that
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