@amer1cancer2753 you got it. I'm 27, and at first I didn't have much respect for tai chi fist. now, I approach tai chi enthusists with respect and a bit of caution....
i've watched some tai-chi and this looks very like most other fighting styles from a distance because there are only so many ways to punch and kick (as someone else said) but the reason it doesnt look like a kung-fu movie is because both combatants are trained and none of that flashy hollywood stuff would work
now if you pitted a master of tai-chi, kung-fu, jiu-jitsu, judo or any martial against some untrained random person from the street then you would see the stylish hollywood stuff
The man who created Tai chi quan was a general in china and knew 32 types of martial arts, he mixed alot of them together and created tai chi quan not just to create an efficient style of fighting but also to cultivate your body and mind and maintain it to a very old age.
These are just kids. I am sure they have an understanding of the form. But it takes a while to reach the stage where the mind is completely calm, whatever the situation may be.
@RoyalDragonusa Shui Jiao= Chinese wrestling. Taijiquan is 80% wrestling. The point where one kid picks the other one up and dumps him on his back is the closing move in the Yang style form-- it is my favorite move when a bigger guy is leaning on me in Sanshou. (except instead of picking him up, I just pull his feet out from under him...TIMBEEERRRRR!!) :-)
Good to see that REAL kung fu is still around... And by real kung fu I mean the fight usually ends with someone picking someone else up and throwing them on the ground... This is the kung fu I remember lol Real kung fu = Fighting lol
i like the fighting, the fighters seem to be very skilled, but they were dancing around and boxing like western boxing with the mma element. i thought taijichuan was based on grounding and very explosive power. am i wrong?
They are beginners, the skills that make Taijiquan so special, have to be practised for a very long time.But at least they were trying out their basic things and that´s ok.
the standard stance for this style known as seven stars is quite close to that of a boxing stance especially with the gloves ,and you are right about the power being explosive but it can be difficult to do the move you want and sometimes you have to change your technique just before you commit which causes it to look slower due to changing your body position or footing.
A lot of people comment that in full contact fights, they don't see much difference in the various styles. But they don't understand. From a distance, everyone looks the same. You can only punch and kick so many ways. It's when you get close that you see the specific techniques like the tai-chi shoulder push and leverage techniques for example. And when you do see it, it's subtle. It's not like watching a kung fu movie. It's real fighting.
I saw several judo throws and a double-leg takedown. It looked absolutely nothing like the 'forms.' Why bother? Just go straight to the source and practise judo, wrestling or BJJ.
There've been a lot of bollox comments on this thread. Practical Tai Chi works, because in a normal session one practices the forms, does conditioning training, and then one spars - full contact, with punches, palm strikes, kicks, throws, and locks. It works because the point about it is NOT to get hung up on techniques, but to learn to FIGHT. Conditioning, full contact practice, and dedicated effort devoid of mystical nonsense is the way to succeed. MMA is similar for these reasons
Practical t'ai chi works, but there wasn't any demonstrated in the video. It was all boxing, wrestling and a possible judo throw or two. OTOH to be totally fair, it does say that the contestants are only 16 years old and only trained for 8 months to use their "skills".
Why does a throw have to be a Judo throw ? Don't you know that Tai Chi existed long before Judo ? I mean seriously people, go get educated on martial Arts then make your post. ROFL.
Tai Chi basically manipulates the momentum of an opponent to send the force back at them sort of like a spring, or at least that's how I understand it.
Fighting is fighting. Tia chi is a system of martial arts like any other. Tai chi uses chi gung (energy work) to develop relaxed muscles, structural ailignment, and strengthing of tendons After that you gotta try to punch somebody in the head and get punched in the head, Boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ are effective because the training invovles lots of fighting. Develop your body with any number of ways, karate, kung fu, weight lifting, yoga whatever. You want to get good at fighting. . . fight.
The late Grandmaster Cheng Tin-Hung's lineage is in fact Wu Family Style, not Wudang Style. The style contains high-level Qigong/exercise for conditioning. Wu Style contains a lot of throwing techniques. Grandmaster Cheng was well-known for his practical applications. He had organized a Taiji team to Thailand and wiped out professional Muaythai boxer in the 1960's. That was the first time amateur Chinese martial artists winning professional Thai boxers in Thailand.
Dedicated Wing Chung practitioners usually take 2-3 years of hard training before they can actually apply what they're learned efficiently and effectively. Most Wing Chung practitioners I've met and seen are so lousy.
As for Karate, it takes about 6 months of hard training.
In conclusion, Tai Chi is not a practical fighting style at all. It's a style that requires extreme amount of skills to be applied effectively and efficiently in combat, but in the long run, Tai Chi ranks number one.
Tai Chi practitioners must train hard everyday for at least 10-15 years before engaging in combat. Tai Chi is the master of all style and fighting philosophy, but requires extreme amount of dedication to achieve such a level to the point where you become formless; to the point where you don't even have to use much energy at all. It is as though you are floating.
Many Wing Chung practitioners starting up Tai Chi in a sense of further enhancing their skill and knowledge.
This shows some good "fighting". However, the fighters seem to: be using too much brute / awkward force; not rooted enough, as they are jumping around too much; there is no evidence of any of the 8 methods going on here. Just my two cents.
Very good video! It shows that despite the constant efforts of hippies trying to turn it into "health and well being" a martial art is always martial. Certain martial arts develop certain attributes, like sensitivity that allows you to judge your enemy's center of balance and borrow his strength, but minimal strength is far from 0 strength and sometimes you need to be the one initiating for the opponent to use force for you to borrow. There are people who do tai chi and succeed in san da...
yup, good vid, all i can say is that the fighters could use some more training in softness, i'm only a green belt and i saw at least 30 places where each could have been defeated in the first 20 seconds. they are way too bouncy and stiff.
I am always amazed by people like you who dethrone the true reason for Tai Chi and pull it down to a cage ritual. For that reason you will never know its full power and range, and you will be trapped out from entering into its royal abode. It is beyond defense, and it is beyond health. You are not free. It is pure truth and it is there you will find its power. Change. Yeh, yeh, you can use it to fight. Thank you. I will put air in my tires at times as well. I will change the oil in my car too.
Who are these hippies of whom you speak? There are many reasons for emphasizing the non-combative aspects of an art form: Namely, for many, TaiChi really is a form of meditative exercise & nothing more. Also, in Japan, for example, martial arts became forbidden after WWII. As such, they were reborn under the guide of "spiritual development", (though they were clearly still martial arts.)
Taijichuan is and always will be to develop health and martial ability. There is no separation of the two. I am an able practitioner of all three internals and nearly 20 other martial arts. There are large differences between martial ability and Taijichuan's health and life aspects. So many people think that Qi is this mystic energy. When it has been proven to exist and is used in our military for survival in cold weather. The health and fighting is the same training. They are both very good.
Thank you! Someone that understands that there IS more to this art than the Martial aspects, but also understands that the Art IS Martial, and that you CANNOT seperate the Martial from the Non-Martial... they are only truly effective together.
alot of move sin tai chi involves kncoking ur enemy to groudn cuz htose r consider soft techniques as oppsoed to pummeling sum1 in teh facewith repeated punches which r hard techniques
This definaltey appears to be too 'external' to be Tai Chi. With the kicks going in as well it could be K/boxing but with the throwing techniques I think it is more likely to be San Da.
Real Tai Chi will always look external. How do you yield and all that other lame BS when someone is about to Mike Tyson you. Tai Chi has been watered down over the years. As I told my MMA friend... I use tai chi concepts, not tai chi forms. I still round, rooted, and I blast through my opponents roots. Neo-Hippies die when they try to use their tai chi or aikido agaisnt a real fighter.
How exactly can something "look" external, you can't acctuly see internal actions, only their results, thing is when the internal levels of two people counter each other, they are countered, it does not mean they are not present, only functioning in a non visable way.
Most of the techniques in taichi are buit on neutralizing the opponent while using minimal strength. Although judo and tai chi both indeed has throws, but to say they are similar; is not a good comparison! Almost all 600 styles of kungfu has variations of throwing techniques, and are all similar to judo. BTW, throwing someone requires physical aggression. Tai chi uses neutralizing skills to help the opponent get off-balance from their own attack: "Use 8 ounces against 1000 lbs."
Tai chi might be effective in some ways but cut out all the crap about rulesets the sheer fitness alone of MMA/Sanda fighters let alone their technique/strngth/power puts them above your standard martial artist in any style. They would flatten 99% of amateur martial artists rules or no rules. Remember they do this as a job and train every days. Even if they train for a ruleset there are not enough "deadly" techniques that make any other art superior.
yes it is true that fitness does indeed have its advantages, but in the end its only the practitioners skill, and most of all their EXPERIENCE that wins the fight, there are some old dudes who aren't in the best shape who can absolutely destroy most of the mma fighters today simply because they have so much experience
that's bullshit, skills and conditioning go hand in hand in all real martial arts, if the old dudes keep themselves healthy then the old dudes can win because of skills and experiences, but if the old dudes are in bad shape then they will die regardless of skills and experiences. To fight, you must be in decent shape and strength, all martial arts have conditionings regardless of ancient kung fu or modern mma, don't be fooled by fat old men trying to sell themselves to be tough
Sorry to say it but maybe if there was of the video there might of been some Tai Chi in it. You can see them struggling to exert their physical strength and, well, to be honest do some fairly good "Wrestling".
The Judo throws looked pretty good, but I'm sorry I watched it several times and couldnt see any Tai Chi principles at work here.
if you knew tai chi form applications u would know that most of the techniques in the form are pretty much throws. That is why taichi is similar to Judo. I saw like 3 taichi techniques in the there. 1 of them was Repulse the Monkey. and 1 application for repulse monkey is a throw. ask your sifu if u hav 1. if u dont go find a good 1 n learn wat real taichi is ^^ u noe to gain some knowledge n not depend urself on just videos n books
err... they trained for 8 months in order to be able to use their tai chi training in full combat contests(like san da), not trained in tai chi for 8 months, period!
Tai Chi applications depend to a large degree on listening skills and you cant really do that with bowing gloves on. Also a lot of the techniques are quite dangerous but require the hands to be free of gloves. This is true of most martial arts. MMA guys normally have a martial background but train specifically for their fighting which has been designed as a competitive fighting sport.
Most people take up martial arts for fitness and to learn some defence against the average punk in the street.
Tai chi has primarily open palm techniques. Having boxing gloves hinder actual tai chi applications such as plucking, neutralizing, peng, qinna, and etc... Additionally, tai chi depends on touch sensitivity, if one wear gloves, one cannot feel the opponent, but only see the external techniques. I'm a chen stylist, I tried sparring with MMA gloves, and it is still not the same. You become so limited to only certain techniques.
this is just some kids trying to punch each other and push each other over. i've seen better performed fights when i was at school.- where was tai chi, where was full contact?
That's the stupidest crock of shit I've heard anyone spew recently, monkfg. I suppose Tai Chi can't include sparring, right? Because the techniques are "too deadly"?
as soon as rules are applied it ceases to be what it was meant to be. tai chi can't be done properly in the ring because it's a killing art.nevr mind all the powder puff new age crystal healing nonsense it's been saddled with, the chen village fighters were professionals. end of.
so those old people at the park who do Tai Chi can kick my ass?
amer1cancer2753 3 months ago 4
@amer1cancer2753 you got it. I'm 27, and at first I didn't have much respect for tai chi fist. now, I approach tai chi enthusists with respect and a bit of caution....
louidoggify 2 months ago
i've watched some tai-chi and this looks very like most other fighting styles from a distance because there are only so many ways to punch and kick (as someone else said) but the reason it doesnt look like a kung-fu movie is because both combatants are trained and none of that flashy hollywood stuff would work
now if you pitted a master of tai-chi, kung-fu, jiu-jitsu, judo or any martial against some untrained random person from the street then you would see the stylish hollywood stuff
cheesebagel100 6 months ago
The man who created Tai chi quan was a general in china and knew 32 types of martial arts, he mixed alot of them together and created tai chi quan not just to create an efficient style of fighting but also to cultivate your body and mind and maintain it to a very old age.
Tokagawa89 6 months ago
These are just kids. I am sure they have an understanding of the form. But it takes a while to reach the stage where the mind is completely calm, whatever the situation may be.
colaFRank 6 months ago
Its interesting how close to Judo it looks. I like it.
Ballowall 6 months ago
This is not Tai Chi at all. It's Shui Jiao.
RoyalDragonusa 6 months ago
@RoyalDragonusa Shui Jiao= Chinese wrestling. Taijiquan is 80% wrestling. The point where one kid picks the other one up and dumps him on his back is the closing move in the Yang style form-- it is my favorite move when a bigger guy is leaning on me in Sanshou. (except instead of picking him up, I just pull his feet out from under him...TIMBEEERRRRR!!) :-)
durty1calhoun 5 months ago
@durty1calhoun
sorry but Shui Jiao = Chinese dumplings in soup. Shuai jiao = Chinese Wrestling.
jtjoatmon 4 months ago
Good to see that REAL kung fu is still around... And by real kung fu I mean the fight usually ends with someone picking someone else up and throwing them on the ground... This is the kung fu I remember lol Real kung fu = Fighting lol
Stupid Hollywood...
GuamKomudo 8 months ago
This looks like Jeet Kune Do.
PhoenixArise11 1 year ago
This is same for the sanda fighting....
bkriszocsi 1 year ago
i dont like tai chi but ,this vid proves me wrong ,its actual good xD
MechPhantom 1 year ago 2
at 0.32 seconds there is needle at sea bottom. an excellent kick defense, but is clearly used as a grapple take down. an excellent tai chi video
Jikido1 1 year ago
i like the fighting, the fighters seem to be very skilled, but they were dancing around and boxing like western boxing with the mma element. i thought taijichuan was based on grounding and very explosive power. am i wrong?
WarriorBlackBanner 2 years ago 14
They are beginners, the skills that make Taijiquan so special, have to be practised for a very long time.But at least they were trying out their basic things and that´s ok.
nanhuazhenren 2 years ago
@WarriorBlackBanner
the standard stance for this style known as seven stars is quite close to that of a boxing stance especially with the gloves ,and you are right about the power being explosive but it can be difficult to do the move you want and sometimes you have to change your technique just before you commit which causes it to look slower due to changing your body position or footing.
tankage7 10 months ago
A lot of people comment that in full contact fights, they don't see much difference in the various styles. But they don't understand. From a distance, everyone looks the same. You can only punch and kick so many ways. It's when you get close that you see the specific techniques like the tai-chi shoulder push and leverage techniques for example. And when you do see it, it's subtle. It's not like watching a kung fu movie. It's real fighting.
hulkout666 2 years ago 54
I take wrestling and Judo and to me this was just wrestling and Judo moves with punching
at 0:25 the guy is using a double leg takedown
at 0:49 there's an Uchi Mata
DaveL808 2 years ago
I saw several judo throws and a double-leg takedown. It looked absolutely nothing like the 'forms.' Why bother? Just go straight to the source and practise judo, wrestling or BJJ.
ourmaninjapan16 2 years ago
That style predates Judo , silly, where do you think the skills in Judo came from ? Shuai Jiao lol. Take a look it's in a book................
bowser8375 2 years ago 7
There've been a lot of bollox comments on this thread. Practical Tai Chi works, because in a normal session one practices the forms, does conditioning training, and then one spars - full contact, with punches, palm strikes, kicks, throws, and locks. It works because the point about it is NOT to get hung up on techniques, but to learn to FIGHT. Conditioning, full contact practice, and dedicated effort devoid of mystical nonsense is the way to succeed. MMA is similar for these reasons
cormac73 2 years ago 8
Practical t'ai chi works, but there wasn't any demonstrated in the video. It was all boxing, wrestling and a possible judo throw or two. OTOH to be totally fair, it does say that the contestants are only 16 years old and only trained for 8 months to use their "skills".
Ge1Ri4 2 years ago
Why does a throw have to be a Judo throw ? Don't you know that Tai Chi existed long before Judo ? I mean seriously people, go get educated on martial Arts then make your post. ROFL.
bowser8375 2 years ago 10
I dun understand tai chi fighting style....Can sumone tat master on tai chi explain to me?
exiwan 3 years ago
Tai Chi basically manipulates the momentum of an opponent to send the force back at them sort of like a spring, or at least that's how I understand it.
NexAngelus405 2 years ago 4
Fighting is fighting. Tia chi is a system of martial arts like any other. Tai chi uses chi gung (energy work) to develop relaxed muscles, structural ailignment, and strengthing of tendons After that you gotta try to punch somebody in the head and get punched in the head, Boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ are effective because the training invovles lots of fighting. Develop your body with any number of ways, karate, kung fu, weight lifting, yoga whatever. You want to get good at fighting. . . fight.
TaoistSoldier 2 years ago 74
I dont see any taichi...
danbien 3 years ago
That sir, is not Tai Chi. MMA maybe...
gadha99 3 years ago
The late Grandmaster Cheng Tin-Hung's lineage is in fact Wu Family Style, not Wudang Style. The style contains high-level Qigong/exercise for conditioning. Wu Style contains a lot of throwing techniques. Grandmaster Cheng was well-known for his practical applications. He had organized a Taiji team to Thailand and wiped out professional Muaythai boxer in the 1960's. That was the first time amateur Chinese martial artists winning professional Thai boxers in Thailand.
wingchuntaiji 3 years ago 4
everybody's gotta blame the hippies huh?
chigong980 3 years ago
This looks like judo and ju jit su
eagleclaw006 3 years ago
Kid, you are a very good Tai chi chuan grappler.
But I would like to see some full fights, untill I say you are really good!
Hehe
elpenduloyelequilibr 3 years ago 4
Looks more like Sanshou....
trondyne 3 years ago 2
Dedicated Wing Chung practitioners usually take 2-3 years of hard training before they can actually apply what they're learned efficiently and effectively. Most Wing Chung practitioners I've met and seen are so lousy.
As for Karate, it takes about 6 months of hard training.
In conclusion, Tai Chi is not a practical fighting style at all. It's a style that requires extreme amount of skills to be applied effectively and efficiently in combat, but in the long run, Tai Chi ranks number one.
TheSenseofTouch 3 years ago 2
Tai Chi practitioners must train hard everyday for at least 10-15 years before engaging in combat. Tai Chi is the master of all style and fighting philosophy, but requires extreme amount of dedication to achieve such a level to the point where you become formless; to the point where you don't even have to use much energy at all. It is as though you are floating.
Many Wing Chung practitioners starting up Tai Chi in a sense of further enhancing their skill and knowledge.
TheSenseofTouch 3 years ago 2
doesn't look like tai chi to me. a bit too external to be tai chi. alot of throws and kicks aswell
AznSketchKid 3 years ago
This shows some good "fighting". However, the fighters seem to: be using too much brute / awkward force; not rooted enough, as they are jumping around too much; there is no evidence of any of the 8 methods going on here. Just my two cents.
dhjmckenzie 3 years ago
Tai Chi has alot of grappling applications as well as striking :P
MartialArts4Ever 3 years ago
it's not taiji,more like Chinese fast wrestling.
not bad though.
ACEMFG 3 years ago
What ever it is, they and their teacher should be proud because they're style is alive and well.
RayPina 3 years ago 4
this is not tai chi at all it is more like sanda.
dragowooo 3 years ago
this is not taiji. no peng-jing lu-jing ji-jing an-jing,cai-jing lie-ing zhou-jing kao-jing at work. it's more like boxing and suai jiao
qiankundanuoyi1 3 years ago
Very good video! It shows that despite the constant efforts of hippies trying to turn it into "health and well being" a martial art is always martial. Certain martial arts develop certain attributes, like sensitivity that allows you to judge your enemy's center of balance and borrow his strength, but minimal strength is far from 0 strength and sometimes you need to be the one initiating for the opponent to use force for you to borrow. There are people who do tai chi and succeed in san da...
Kantzarakos 3 years ago 7
yup, good vid, all i can say is that the fighters could use some more training in softness, i'm only a green belt and i saw at least 30 places where each could have been defeated in the first 20 seconds. they are way too bouncy and stiff.
muzzman10 3 years ago
I am always amazed by people like you who dethrone the true reason for Tai Chi and pull it down to a cage ritual. For that reason you will never know its full power and range, and you will be trapped out from entering into its royal abode. It is beyond defense, and it is beyond health. You are not free. It is pure truth and it is there you will find its power. Change. Yeh, yeh, you can use it to fight. Thank you. I will put air in my tires at times as well. I will change the oil in my car too.
distressed7 3 years ago
Who are these hippies of whom you speak? There are many reasons for emphasizing the non-combative aspects of an art form: Namely, for many, TaiChi really is a form of meditative exercise & nothing more. Also, in Japan, for example, martial arts became forbidden after WWII. As such, they were reborn under the guide of "spiritual development", (though they were clearly still martial arts.)
Jianju69 3 years ago
Taijichuan is and always will be to develop health and martial ability. There is no separation of the two. I am an able practitioner of all three internals and nearly 20 other martial arts. There are large differences between martial ability and Taijichuan's health and life aspects. So many people think that Qi is this mystic energy. When it has been proven to exist and is used in our military for survival in cold weather. The health and fighting is the same training. They are both very good.
BaguazhangMaster 3 years ago 3
Thank you! Someone that understands that there IS more to this art than the Martial aspects, but also understands that the Art IS Martial, and that you CANNOT seperate the Martial from the Non-Martial... they are only truly effective together.
In your words, nice to see a non-hippy!
saucysbitch 3 years ago 5
it looks like mma, or german jujutsu, but not at all like tai chi....
bigdude1982 3 years ago 12
well not really cuz theres no ground fighting just looks like kung fu
PankrationGod 3 years ago
Tai chi is a grappling art. The strikes are mostly counters. Tai chi is really cool if you can find the right teacher.
randyds5 3 years ago 2
Whats your qualification to say what looks like "tai chi"
blinky777777 3 years ago
mma is not a martial art, but i agree with the jiu-jitsu thing
qwertyuploader 3 years ago
alot of move sin tai chi involves kncoking ur enemy to groudn cuz htose r consider soft techniques as oppsoed to pummeling sum1 in teh facewith repeated punches which r hard techniques
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
this is applicable tai chi, effective kung fu styles look similar to mma
all effective martial arts look similar, they simply carry different names and came from different countries
heretowatchnot 3 years ago 6
This definaltey appears to be too 'external' to be Tai Chi. With the kicks going in as well it could be K/boxing but with the throwing techniques I think it is more likely to be San Da.
kungfudude13 3 years ago
Real Tai Chi will always look external. How do you yield and all that other lame BS when someone is about to Mike Tyson you. Tai Chi has been watered down over the years. As I told my MMA friend... I use tai chi concepts, not tai chi forms. I still round, rooted, and I blast through my opponents roots. Neo-Hippies die when they try to use their tai chi or aikido agaisnt a real fighter.
DeniedHealthCare 3 years ago 4
How exactly can something "look" external, you can't acctuly see internal actions, only their results, thing is when the internal levels of two people counter each other, they are countered, it does not mean they are not present, only functioning in a non visable way.
winged789 3 years ago 2
Most of the techniques in taichi are buit on neutralizing the opponent while using minimal strength. Although judo and tai chi both indeed has throws, but to say they are similar; is not a good comparison! Almost all 600 styles of kungfu has variations of throwing techniques, and are all similar to judo. BTW, throwing someone requires physical aggression. Tai chi uses neutralizing skills to help the opponent get off-balance from their own attack: "Use 8 ounces against 1000 lbs."
NTNGUYEN 3 years ago
Tai chi might be effective in some ways but cut out all the crap about rulesets the sheer fitness alone of MMA/Sanda fighters let alone their technique/strngth/power puts them above your standard martial artist in any style. They would flatten 99% of amateur martial artists rules or no rules. Remember they do this as a job and train every days. Even if they train for a ruleset there are not enough "deadly" techniques that make any other art superior.
nikuk99 3 years ago 3
mmhmm true niku
like bruce lee
the all day training
with his so-called "shock-therapy" or w/e lol
jeez sending electric shocks in his body to stimulate his muscles or something while pushups
now that kind of conditioning can do stuff ;p
TsangBokyan 3 years ago
yes it is true that fitness does indeed have its advantages, but in the end its only the practitioners skill, and most of all their EXPERIENCE that wins the fight, there are some old dudes who aren't in the best shape who can absolutely destroy most of the mma fighters today simply because they have so much experience
MaQingYi 3 years ago
that's bullshit, skills and conditioning go hand in hand in all real martial arts, if the old dudes keep themselves healthy then the old dudes can win because of skills and experiences, but if the old dudes are in bad shape then they will die regardless of skills and experiences. To fight, you must be in decent shape and strength, all martial arts have conditionings regardless of ancient kung fu or modern mma, don't be fooled by fat old men trying to sell themselves to be tough
heretowatchnot 3 years ago 2
Be careful how you generalize the word "fat" because fat people does not necessary imply an unhealthy or unskilled person.
winsolo 2 years ago 13
thats true nikuk
now what if a tai chi fighter conditioned just as much?
TsangBokyan 3 years ago
Sorry to say it but maybe if there was of the video there might of been some Tai Chi in it. You can see them struggling to exert their physical strength and, well, to be honest do some fairly good "Wrestling".
The Judo throws looked pretty good, but I'm sorry I watched it several times and couldnt see any Tai Chi principles at work here.
Blackdog23a 3 years ago
How often do you spar at YOUR tai chi class, blackdog?
EVER?
Pawnz0r 3 years ago 4
if you knew tai chi form applications u would know that most of the techniques in the form are pretty much throws. That is why taichi is similar to Judo. I saw like 3 taichi techniques in the there. 1 of them was Repulse the Monkey. and 1 application for repulse monkey is a throw. ask your sifu if u hav 1. if u dont go find a good 1 n learn wat real taichi is ^^ u noe to gain some knowledge n not depend urself on just videos n books
lbrother88 3 years ago
well i would say that is what taiji people would probably spar like after only 8 months, its not gonna be very pretty.
MaQingYi 3 years ago
err... they trained for 8 months in order to be able to use their tai chi training in full combat contests(like san da), not trained in tai chi for 8 months, period!
Kantzarakos 3 years ago
Tai Chi applications depend to a large degree on listening skills and you cant really do that with bowing gloves on. Also a lot of the techniques are quite dangerous but require the hands to be free of gloves. This is true of most martial arts. MMA guys normally have a martial background but train specifically for their fighting which has been designed as a competitive fighting sport.
Most people take up martial arts for fitness and to learn some defence against the average punk in the street.
btglynn 3 years ago
Tai chi has primarily open palm techniques. Having boxing gloves hinder actual tai chi applications such as plucking, neutralizing, peng, qinna, and etc... Additionally, tai chi depends on touch sensitivity, if one wear gloves, one cannot feel the opponent, but only see the external techniques. I'm a chen stylist, I tried sparring with MMA gloves, and it is still not the same. You become so limited to only certain techniques.
NTNGUYEN 3 years ago
duane, right on the money bro
simmspaul 3 years ago 2
this is just some kids trying to punch each other and push each other over. i've seen better performed fights when i was at school.- where was tai chi, where was full contact?
crazywales 3 years ago
Quite clean taichi techniques, they are not trying to look beautiful.
MaBu888 3 years ago 8
You can't use Tai Chi in a "fight" with proctectors on your body and rules on your mind.
monkfg 3 years ago
That's the stupidest crock of shit I've heard anyone spew recently, monkfg. I suppose Tai Chi can't include sparring, right? Because the techniques are "too deadly"?
Pawnz0r 3 years ago 2
English is a funny language, saying too deadly would be redundant, may be it could be deadly enough. I agree though, no excuse to spar.
MaBu888 3 years ago 2
Sorry to say I didn't see much in the way of tai chi principle energies. If it had been billed as ju jitsu or judo maybe..?
dmccavish 3 years ago
care to explain?
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
Tai Chi has lots of grappling techniques. Sanda/Sanshou is the application of any CMA
Tianshanwarrior 3 years ago 2
Tai Chi is predominately standing grappling.
San Shou/Sanda is both a ruleset and a style trained in gyms, like kickboxing is a style and/or a ruleset.
Pawnz0r 3 years ago
Basically, just like karate or anything else you're practicing optimal situations which will rarely occur.
Also because of the participants they can't be high level practitioners, so they'll be able to use technique less and less effectively.
chushinryoku 3 years ago
as soon as rules are applied it ceases to be what it was meant to be. tai chi can't be done properly in the ring because it's a killing art.nevr mind all the powder puff new age crystal healing nonsense it's been saddled with, the chen village fighters were professionals. end of.
duaneshadow 3 years ago
JUDO!!!!!
boeyaka 4 years ago
This looks more like San Da with more of a Shuai Jiao emphasis. Just an observation.
kiershonnen 4 years ago 2
really it should, my understanding is that san shou and san da are the full contact equivalent of chinese ma
ahlgrasshopper 4 years ago
It's both a ruleset and a trained style in gyms, in the same way that Kickboxing is a ruleset and a trained style in gyms. It can be either or.
Pawnz0r 3 years ago