This video leaves me with melancholy and some regret. I was studying to be a priest and left. Now I wonder at times what would have happened if I would have done things differently.
you can always become a nun and serve God. Remember, women play a very important important rule in our society and in the church. Not only are women important they are extremely respected like, Mother Theresa and Holy Virgin Mary.
I was told that the priest who helped the boy in the accident had actually experienced that situation when he was a boy. This is why he became a priest.
You'd be surprised how much God can help you live that charism. I won't say it's easy, but it's a sign of the fullness of the Kingdom of God because there's no marriage in Heaven.
its an amazing video. I could watch it day after day and not get tired of it. But i love the message behind it and what they are saying. I wish one brother of mine would become a preist. he would be an awesome one.
I saw this video in school today. It was inspiring and almost epic. I was hoping that someone could tell me the name of the song (if they know it) that plays at 7:47.
As Benedict XVI says: "The eucharist ist the heart of the church". It ist the presence of the Love of Christ in history. Verbum caro factum est, verbum panis factum est.
Please add to the about info that this is a film by Grassroots Films, also in the tags. The people at Grassroots are quite awesome and deserve the credit. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS!
Please keep posting, Father Brother of Nalts. I'm approaching a fork in the road regarding religion. BTW, I'm 100% Italian (my married name belies me). I never could get used to that Parmalat milk in Italy.
This video, simple but profound, is so overflowing with God's grace! Truly, the priesthood is a gift. This, I can say, has helped me more to discern my vocation futher to the priesthood. Please pray for me and all those discerning... thanks
Isn't the high priesthood of our Lord a wonderful thing? He entered the "inner sanctuary" for us; He "does not need to offer sacrifices day after day [...] He sacrificed for their (our) sins once for all when he offered himself" (Hebr. 6:19, 7:27).
Do you see it? No more sacrifices required bcause "He entered the Most Holy Place once and for all by his own blood" (Hebr. 9:12)!
Yes, we Catholics do believe all of that, but we gotta acknowledge the fact that Christ extended His Priesthood to us sinful men. I don't quite know why; it's only by His Grace.
Christ said to the Twelve (and their successors) that "Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." (John 20:23). So we do need priests because the Catholic priesthood is Christ's own intention.
Amen Brother. There is only one priest: Jesus Christ. Amen again: His sacrifice was enough the first time. Yup, I see it, and that's why I am in Christ's Church.
Trust in Christ as personal Lord and Savior; He will take away that fear and give you a "peace that surpasses understanding" (Phil. 4:7).
Turn to Him who can "free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death" (2:15).
Even though we are deserving of death due to our sin in Christ we are "raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead" (Col. 2:12).
Yes, we Catholics do believe all of that, but we gotta acknowledge the fact that Christ extended His Priesthood to us sinful men. I don't quite know why; it's only by His Grace.
Christ said to the Twelve (and their successors) that "Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." (John 20:23). So we do need priests because the Catholic priesthood is Christ's own intention.
Question: Why continue to offer Jesus up as sacrifice, when the Bible says He died ONCE for all (thus doing away with the necessity of the institution for perpetual sacrifice)??
During the mass, we do not make Jesus die over and over and over again, but rather the priest calls upon the holy spirit to transfigure the bread and wine into the body and blood of christ, which is ALSO symbolic to his death for our sins, and then the people recieve the body and blood of christ
It's been a while but: The Eucharist is not a repeat of Calvary, but a re-presentation. For God who is outside time, the Passion is always occuring for Him. The Holy Eucharist makes present for us (like a portal in time) the Crucifixtion of Jesus at the moment of consecration. Yes, once for all and all time, present always thanks to Christ's gift of the Eucharist. I hope this gives you some understanding.
Question: If the "passion is always occuring for Him" because God is outside of time, why did Christ have to come INTO time by being "made like his brothers in every way" (Hebr 2:17)?
Since the wages of sin is death, only someone IN time can suffer that punishment! Entities outside of time are usually immortal and eternal, and thus couldn't have suffered the penalty of death for us who are in time.
Just because God is outside of time doesn't mean Christ's Passion is always present to Him.
You know of a better sacrifice to offer up than Jesus Christ? I wish I had the eyes to see as they did at Emmaus and recognize Jesus through the breaking of the bread. Nevertheless, I believe and eat as our great high priest Jesus Christ commanded. I tried to frame the issue every which way and ended up crossing the Tiber. Before any book in the New Testament existed, Jesus was truly present in the Eucharist: and I still love the Bible. Great Video, Brother. Hold it down.
No, the best sacrifice was Jesus, the unblemished Lamb of God.
The great thing is I do not have to think of any better sacrifice to offer up, because Christ Jesus made that decision for us "when HE offered Himself once for all" (Hebr 7:27).
Jesus offered Himself; nowhere in Scripture are we commanded to re-present, call-down into the bread, transsubstantiate or to offer and propitiate in relation to Holy Communion. We are to take and eat and to do so in rememberance of Him.
10 the liturgy is the sumit toward which the activity of the Church is directed; at the same time it is the fount from which all the Church's power flows. For the aim and object of apostolic works is that all who are made children of God by faith and baptism should come together to praise God in the midst of his Church, to take part in the sacrifice and to eat the Lord's Supper.
the liturgy in its turn moves the faithful, filed with 'the paschal sacraments' to be 'one in holiness', it prays that 'they may hold fast in their lives to what they have grasped by faith', the renewal in the eucharist of the covenant between the lord and his people draws the faithful into the compelling love of christ and sets them on fire.
it seems that the early church gathered and broke the bread. if you look at the history of the early church, they seemed to have an understanding of the body of christ very similar to the modern theology, christ present in the sacramental species, in the assembly, in the Word, and in the presider. it is always christ as the highpriest that offers the mass, it is always the spirit that calls us to gather, and lifts our prayer to god, and it is always to the father that we pray!
In Matthew 24, Jesus warns us explicitly that many will come to deceive the believers, saying "Look, he is in the wilderness," or "Look, he is in the inner rooms". We are "not to believe it" (vers 26). Many there will be claiming that Jesus is actually present, but we are told that His physical return will be as "lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west" (vers 27).
To say Jesus is physically present in the eucharist, is to contradict this Scripture, isn't it?
Since Jesus explains in John 6:63ff that His Words are spiritual, and that the "flesh was of no avail", He would be contradicting Himself if His Words all of a sudden were to be understood literally ... it is the Spirit that gives life because it is eternal, not physical things which are temporal.
John 6:51-59 Jesus answers the unbelief of the Jews regarding the eating and drinking of his flesh and blood. "The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?" Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink"
Why then did He say in verse 63 that "flesh was of no avail"?
How can eternal life, which is spiritual, be imparted by something physical? Jesus explained, whether in ch.6, v.63, or in ch. 3, v.6, it is always the "Spirit (!) that gives life to spirit".
When offering "living water" to the woman at the well, did he open up his veins and give her blood to drink? No, he said that people would worship in "Spirit and in truth" because God is spirit...
Winchester 1973, Jesus said "flesh was of no avail" meaning a materialist understanding was useless. Materialists think matter cannot be used spiritually because there is no spirit. You make a similar mistake in thinking matter cannot be used spiritually, because you think matter is inferior and unworthy. Both errors are "of no avail." Your thinking must be transformed to see the Spirit underlying and sustaining all matter, for "in Him we live, and move, and have our being."
How do you know which understanding of "matter" Jesus answered? Maybe it was the physical reductionist, maybe it wasn't.
Interesting that you presume to know what I think about matter. In fact, I believe Christianity is the only religion that gives the body (our physical nature) its true dignity by calling it the "temple of the Holy Spirit"! Ergo, I do not deem it less in value. I just believe it, when Christ says that flesh is of no avail when it comes to giving spiritual (zoe) life to spirit
I apologize for presuming you think matter inferior.But it's obvious you think it unworthy for spiritual use, despite its being "temple of the Holy Spirit." Jesus told His apostles the true interpretation, and they were guaranteed to teach infallibly, handing this gift to their successors to this day.This is how Catholics know Jesus' true meaning: when He referred to physical birth in the flesh, and to sacramental rebirth thru water AND the Holy Spirit. And when "living" water" is sacramental.
No, I don't think it unworthy either. Jesus did tell us to "take and eat" and to baptize people. So, what is obvious to me is that we do use "matter", physical things, in spiritual service. Yet, I doubt they, i.e. physical things, have any kind of spiritual efficacy. I believe we use physical things to express what God has efficiently worked in us through His Spirit, as we turn to His Son by faith.
Then, Winchester1973, you must not believe anything in the Bible should be taken literally. For instance, Jesus said, "You must be born again . . .of water and the Holy Spirit." He did not say water OR the Holy Spirit, did He? So He meant spiritual life can come through created physical things, used in a sacramental way. All that God created is GOOD, and the physical will be transformed into a new heaven and a new earth. Physicality is not to be disdained as unworthy of God's use.
So, when Jesus says in the very next verse of the passage to which you are referring in John 3 "flesh gives birth to flesh, and spirit gives birth to spirit" (v. 6), you suggest it ought not to be read literally? But Jesus, here, is specifically speaking about the revival of our spirit via rebirth, which is done by His Spirit.
You deduce from Jesus' words that "spiritual life can come through created physical things" - I don't follow that assessment from the Biblical text.
Win73, then, you must not believe Christ when He said, "You must be born again...by water and the Holy Spirit." For the Spirit of God is Sovereign; He may use His creation however He wills. In His sacraments, He uses matter (water, bread, wine) as signs of His Divine action in the soul. But you are thinking as men think, not as God thinks. St. Paul speaks of "obedience of faith" in Romans. There, "of" means "is" (eg,"city of Rome")You don't submit your thinking to holy Church's doctrine, so err.
I guess this is where our theological differences lead us. And I don't have to slander or insult you for holding them. I disagree, yes, but the true test for tolerance is here: can I allow your differing views? And only true love can, because true faith can never come by coersion, but by love which allows for free choice.
So, in that sense I appreciated our little dialogue which was characterized by a good spirit of listening, and not of evil and hurtful screaming.
Win73: I think we're not as different now as when we began. Please see 1Cor11:23-30. Is "Death" a just punishment for not discerning the Body of the Lord in mere bread? Also, please see 2Thess2:15, about holding fast to the true teaching, even if it is not written down, but taught verbally. (Difficult to communicate 100% of the meaning with restricted "character count.") But if you keep loving Truth above all, you will surely find HIM in all His fullness! Best wishes to you in Christ our Hope!
OK, I did re-read the 1Cor passage. And you are prob about to tell me that the "unworthy manner" is the disregarding of Christ's literal flesh...
And I still read it through a spiritual lens that makes me aware of what Christ has done for me (recognizing His ministry and why He had to die).
Isn't it interesting, though, that this communion service is mentioned with reference to physical nourishment? They were to have their fill at home, so that they wouldn't have to eat as much...
Exactly. Why would the Apostle threaten them with death for not recognizing Christ if all he was talking about was physical nourishment in the Communion service? Obviously, the partaking of the Bread and Wine was not to satisfy physical needs. Why partake of IT at all, if Christ's saving work is 100% spiritual, with no physical component? How do you get "discerning the Body of the Lord" as (recognizing His ministry and why He had to die)? Paul could have plainly said that; instead of what he did
No, Winchester, I never said John 3 should not be taken literally. It takes spiritual insight to see that spiritual life can come through the Church's use of consecrated physical things, according to the sacramental usage Jesus instituted. It takes valid revival of our spirit via rebirth in Christ thru the Holy Spirit to see and accept the fullness of the Truth of Christ Incarnate, Christ in the material flesh, Who has come to sanctify and renew all things in Christ.
Jesus didn't call the people back and say, "What I just said is symbolic." Read the Scripture passage again, and again, and again. The earliest Christians did "this" in memory of me: do we think we have found some new, better way?
How do you know what "this" refers to, except by Jesus explaining?
In verses 35-47 of ch. 6, Jesus mentions "believe in me", "come to me" and "look to me" ten times, all in reference to eternal life.
When asked what people ought to do to be doing the works of God, Jesus answers in verse 29: "to believe in Him whom He has sent" This would have been the perfect opportunity for Jesus to institute any kind of mystical "eating", yet He didn't. He emphasized the spiritual aspect of trusting!
They used to do a thing called "tonsure" where they'd shave part of your head, but not anymore. Now they look skeptically at people who shave their craniums. . . ;)
i am concitering the call. I will follow the lord!!!
StAgnes2000 4 days ago
I am married but want to become a permanent deacon.
oakking1 1 year ago
This video leaves me with melancholy and some regret. I was studying to be a priest and left. Now I wonder at times what would have happened if I would have done things differently.
oakking1 1 year ago
Great video! Looking forward to seeing The Human Experience.
andonedave 1 year ago
This is beautiful. I especially liked the part at 3:20. I'm going to show this to my son.
johannespastore 1 year ago
tnx so beautifuI video..i wish i can but i aIready got a wife((..
pangetska 1 year ago
WOW! Is all I can say! Thank God for the Catholic Priesthood
chinwo 2 years ago
This is a wonderful video-compelling with lovely music appropriate to the message. It's a great outreach.
God bless Fr. Groeschel and all his friars and sister! Kathy
Keenan1923 2 years ago
this vid is soo cool it makes me want to be a priest now but im a girl
TheMonsterSinging 2 years ago
you can always become a nun and serve God. Remember, women play a very important important rule in our society and in the church. Not only are women important they are extremely respected like, Mother Theresa and Holy Virgin Mary.
And this is coming from a catholic man
ericrules95 2 years ago 7
Lord, send us more priests.
Lots and lots of priests!
broadleygreen 2 years ago 3
I pray one of my 3 sons would become a priest
How great a blessing would that be?
tbar51 2 years ago 6
Pray the Rosary for the blessing. God bless you.
thewayoutisin 2 years ago 3
Very Nice..... Grassroot Films congratulation.....
RandyFermo 2 years ago
that was so awesome. that moved me to tears. Our Lord will never abondon us. great documentary
pollyyview 2 years ago
I was told that the priest who helped the boy in the accident had actually experienced that situation when he was a boy. This is why he became a priest.
theycallmebreandan 2 years ago 2
really good movie saw both parts 5stars
bartsphotos 2 years ago
nossa! parabéns muito bom mesmo esse video.
HUPALO12 3 years ago
Muito obrigado!
BrotherofNalts 3 years ago
This video is so great and so moving,I have condisered the priesthood, but I know that I could never be celibate.
hockeyizcool66 3 years ago
You'd be surprised how much God can help you live that charism. I won't say it's easy, but it's a sign of the fullness of the Kingdom of God because there's no marriage in Heaven.
BrotherofNalts 3 years ago
St. Augustine of Hippo thought the same thing. Have you read his autobiography "Confessions?"
wms72 3 years ago
its an amazing video. I could watch it day after day and not get tired of it. But i love the message behind it and what they are saying. I wish one brother of mine would become a preist. he would be an awesome one.
jouill300 3 years ago 2
I saw this video in school today. It was inspiring and almost epic. I was hoping that someone could tell me the name of the song (if they know it) that plays at 7:47.
TwilitJanuary 3 years ago
As Benedict XVI says: "The eucharist ist the heart of the church". It ist the presence of the Love of Christ in history. Verbum caro factum est, verbum panis factum est.
TRINITYisLOVE 3 years ago
Please add to the about info that this is a film by Grassroots Films, also in the tags. The people at Grassroots are quite awesome and deserve the credit. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS!
ErikaAliana 3 years ago
Done! Happy to give credit where credit is due!
BrotherofNalts 3 years ago
today i spoke with the priest who spoke last in this. Hes at my parish for the Novena all week. Excellent Homilist, Amazing guy.
ChrisK513 3 years ago
today i spoke with the priest who spoke last in this. Hes at my parish for the Novena all week. Excellent Homilist, Amazing guy.
ChrisK513 3 years ago
Absolutly amazing production. God Bless
ZackDexter 3 years ago
I am going to become a priest and this video gives me chills! I love it!!
mightyjedi14 4 years ago 3
Love seeing that many priests around the altar ...awesome
cmiller1144 4 years ago 3
This is an AMAZING video. Im going to start studying to become a priest soon and this Video makes me so excited to do it!
mightyjedi14 4 years ago
Great video....every time I see it, it helps me decide my fate. Great, inspiring video. It never grows old.
nicholasio45 4 years ago
Please keep posting, Father Brother of Nalts. I'm approaching a fork in the road regarding religion. BTW, I'm 100% Italian (my married name belies me). I never could get used to that Parmalat milk in Italy.
RoseSiegel 4 years ago
Awesome!
dryanmorr 4 years ago
Wow. "the priesthood is tough"...the priesthood is for real men..."What a statement!Beautiful movie clips too.
Glory to God our Father!All for Jesus!
mamamialove 4 years ago
Only a "real woman" can get so happy when men talk about being "real men." Thanks, Mamamialove!
BrotherofNalts 4 years ago
we dont worship men, nor statues, we venerate saints and thats it.
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savaranola611 4 years ago
God truly works through priests. They live the life that God called them to.
dhargetezan 4 years ago 2
This has to be one of my fav. videos from this site.
lewis105 4 years ago 2
I know the priest at the ENE!!lol he's awesome!!!!!
HerecomesTheSun666 4 years ago
This video, simple but profound, is so overflowing with God's grace! Truly, the priesthood is a gift. This, I can say, has helped me more to discern my vocation futher to the priesthood. Please pray for me and all those discerning... thanks
Ave Maria!
mervynperez 4 years ago 2
Isn't the high priesthood of our Lord a wonderful thing? He entered the "inner sanctuary" for us; He "does not need to offer sacrifices day after day [...] He sacrificed for their (our) sins once for all when he offered himself" (Hebr. 6:19, 7:27).
Do you see it? No more sacrifices required bcause "He entered the Most Holy Place once and for all by his own blood" (Hebr. 9:12)!
This is our priest, Christ Jesus.
Winchester1973 4 years ago
Also I'd like to extend an invitation to you to come into the fold because it is Christ's Wish in John 17:6-19 "that they be one."
Laudatur Iesus Christus in Sǽcula—Praised be Jesus Christ, now and forever!
Jeff le Bel
Jeff1ebe1 4 years ago
Yes, we Catholics do believe all of that, but we gotta acknowledge the fact that Christ extended His Priesthood to us sinful men. I don't quite know why; it's only by His Grace.
Christ said to the Twelve (and their successors) that "Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." (John 20:23). So we do need priests because the Catholic priesthood is Christ's own intention.
Jeff1ebe1 4 years ago
You'd like to invite me into a "fold" some of the reasons/functions/offices (i.e. priesthood) of which you "don't even know why" you have them...?
Sorry, but I'd just as little like to get into someone's car, if the driver didn't know the function of the break pedal!
Winchester1973 4 years ago
Amen Brother. There is only one priest: Jesus Christ. Amen again: His sacrifice was enough the first time. Yup, I see it, and that's why I am in Christ's Church.
AnbaKyrillos 3 years ago
Powerful... It has certainly touched my heart ;)
lenamalves 4 years ago 2
I'm scared of death. It's not enough comfort knowing that everyone is waiting for me in Heaven. I want it to be enough but....
MuggleSam 4 years ago
Trust in Christ as personal Lord and Savior; He will take away that fear and give you a "peace that surpasses understanding" (Phil. 4:7).
Turn to Him who can "free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death" (2:15).
Even though we are deserving of death due to our sin in Christ we are "raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead" (Col. 2:12).
Trust in Christ my friend! (2.Cor 5:21)
Winchester1973 4 years ago
Also I'd like to extend an invitation to you to come into the fold because it is Christ's Wish in John 17:6-19 "that they be one."
Laudatur Iesus Christus in Sǽcula—Praised be Jesus Christ, now and forever!
Jeff le Bel
Jeff1ebe1 4 years ago
Yes, we Catholics do believe all of that, but we gotta acknowledge the fact that Christ extended His Priesthood to us sinful men. I don't quite know why; it's only by His Grace.
Christ said to the Twelve (and their successors) that "Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." (John 20:23). So we do need priests because the Catholic priesthood is Christ's own intention.
Jeff1ebe1 4 years ago
Question: Why continue to offer Jesus up as sacrifice, when the Bible says He died ONCE for all (thus doing away with the necessity of the institution for perpetual sacrifice)??
Winchester1973 4 years ago
During the mass, we do not make Jesus die over and over and over again, but rather the priest calls upon the holy spirit to transfigure the bread and wine into the body and blood of christ, which is ALSO symbolic to his death for our sins, and then the people recieve the body and blood of christ
mightyjedi14 4 years ago
CCC#1367 "the same Christ IS contained and is OFFERED in an unbloody manner... this sacrifice is truly PROPITIATORY".
CCC#1368 "Christ's sacrifice present on the altar"!!
While you say you don't make Christ die over again, He is still "sacrificed and offered on the altar", having propitiatory effect.
Winchester1973 4 years ago
It's been a while but: The Eucharist is not a repeat of Calvary, but a re-presentation. For God who is outside time, the Passion is always occuring for Him. The Holy Eucharist makes present for us (like a portal in time) the Crucifixtion of Jesus at the moment of consecration. Yes, once for all and all time, present always thanks to Christ's gift of the Eucharist. I hope this gives you some understanding.
odion07 4 years ago
Question: If the "passion is always occuring for Him" because God is outside of time, why did Christ have to come INTO time by being "made like his brothers in every way" (Hebr 2:17)?
Since the wages of sin is death, only someone IN time can suffer that punishment! Entities outside of time are usually immortal and eternal, and thus couldn't have suffered the penalty of death for us who are in time.
Just because God is outside of time doesn't mean Christ's Passion is always present to Him.
Winchester1973 3 years ago
If the passion is not always present, then God is not God, and therefore this is all moot.
crucifer777 3 years ago
You know of a better sacrifice to offer up than Jesus Christ? I wish I had the eyes to see as they did at Emmaus and recognize Jesus through the breaking of the bread. Nevertheless, I believe and eat as our great high priest Jesus Christ commanded. I tried to frame the issue every which way and ended up crossing the Tiber. Before any book in the New Testament existed, Jesus was truly present in the Eucharist: and I still love the Bible. Great Video, Brother. Hold it down.
AnbaKyrillos 3 years ago
No, the best sacrifice was Jesus, the unblemished Lamb of God.
The great thing is I do not have to think of any better sacrifice to offer up, because Christ Jesus made that decision for us "when HE offered Himself once for all" (Hebr 7:27).
Jesus offered Himself; nowhere in Scripture are we commanded to re-present, call-down into the bread, transsubstantiate or to offer and propitiate in relation to Holy Communion. We are to take and eat and to do so in rememberance of Him.
Winchester1973 3 years ago
Sacrosanctum concillium
10 the liturgy is the sumit toward which the activity of the Church is directed; at the same time it is the fount from which all the Church's power flows. For the aim and object of apostolic works is that all who are made children of God by faith and baptism should come together to praise God in the midst of his Church, to take part in the sacrifice and to eat the Lord's Supper.
watts79 3 years ago
the liturgy in its turn moves the faithful, filed with 'the paschal sacraments' to be 'one in holiness', it prays that 'they may hold fast in their lives to what they have grasped by faith', the renewal in the eucharist of the covenant between the lord and his people draws the faithful into the compelling love of christ and sets them on fire.
watts79 3 years ago
it seems that the early church gathered and broke the bread. if you look at the history of the early church, they seemed to have an understanding of the body of christ very similar to the modern theology, christ present in the sacramental species, in the assembly, in the Word, and in the presider. it is always christ as the highpriest that offers the mass, it is always the spirit that calls us to gather, and lifts our prayer to god, and it is always to the father that we pray!
watts79 3 years ago
In Matthew 24, Jesus warns us explicitly that many will come to deceive the believers, saying "Look, he is in the wilderness," or "Look, he is in the inner rooms". We are "not to believe it" (vers 26). Many there will be claiming that Jesus is actually present, but we are told that His physical return will be as "lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west" (vers 27).
To say Jesus is physically present in the eucharist, is to contradict this Scripture, isn't it?
Winchester1973 3 years ago
Is Jesus contradicting Himself when He says "This IS my body. This IS my blood. Do this in memory of me." No, he is not.
goldenrosetuxedo 3 years ago
Since Jesus explains in John 6:63ff that His Words are spiritual, and that the "flesh was of no avail", He would be contradicting Himself if His Words all of a sudden were to be understood literally ... it is the Spirit that gives life because it is eternal, not physical things which are temporal.
Winchester1973 3 years ago
John 6:51-59 Jesus answers the unbelief of the Jews regarding the eating and drinking of his flesh and blood. "The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?" Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink"
gqlookin4u 3 years ago
Why then did He say in verse 63 that "flesh was of no avail"?
How can eternal life, which is spiritual, be imparted by something physical? Jesus explained, whether in ch.6, v.63, or in ch. 3, v.6, it is always the "Spirit (!) that gives life to spirit".
When offering "living water" to the woman at the well, did he open up his veins and give her blood to drink? No, he said that people would worship in "Spirit and in truth" because God is spirit...
Winchester1973 3 years ago
Winchester 1973, Jesus said "flesh was of no avail" meaning a materialist understanding was useless. Materialists think matter cannot be used spiritually because there is no spirit. You make a similar mistake in thinking matter cannot be used spiritually, because you think matter is inferior and unworthy. Both errors are "of no avail." Your thinking must be transformed to see the Spirit underlying and sustaining all matter, for "in Him we live, and move, and have our being."
wms72 3 years ago
How do you know which understanding of "matter" Jesus answered? Maybe it was the physical reductionist, maybe it wasn't.
Interesting that you presume to know what I think about matter. In fact, I believe Christianity is the only religion that gives the body (our physical nature) its true dignity by calling it the "temple of the Holy Spirit"! Ergo, I do not deem it less in value. I just believe it, when Christ says that flesh is of no avail when it comes to giving spiritual (zoe) life to spirit
Winchester1973 3 years ago
I apologize for presuming you think matter inferior.But it's obvious you think it unworthy for spiritual use, despite its being "temple of the Holy Spirit." Jesus told His apostles the true interpretation, and they were guaranteed to teach infallibly, handing this gift to their successors to this day.This is how Catholics know Jesus' true meaning: when He referred to physical birth in the flesh, and to sacramental rebirth thru water AND the Holy Spirit. And when "living" water" is sacramental.
wms72 3 years ago
No, I don't think it unworthy either. Jesus did tell us to "take and eat" and to baptize people. So, what is obvious to me is that we do use "matter", physical things, in spiritual service. Yet, I doubt they, i.e. physical things, have any kind of spiritual efficacy. I believe we use physical things to express what God has efficiently worked in us through His Spirit, as we turn to His Son by faith.
Winchester1973 3 years ago
Then, Winchester1973, you must not believe anything in the Bible should be taken literally. For instance, Jesus said, "You must be born again . . .of water and the Holy Spirit." He did not say water OR the Holy Spirit, did He? So He meant spiritual life can come through created physical things, used in a sacramental way. All that God created is GOOD, and the physical will be transformed into a new heaven and a new earth. Physicality is not to be disdained as unworthy of God's use.
wms72 3 years ago
So, when Jesus says in the very next verse of the passage to which you are referring in John 3 "flesh gives birth to flesh, and spirit gives birth to spirit" (v. 6), you suggest it ought not to be read literally? But Jesus, here, is specifically speaking about the revival of our spirit via rebirth, which is done by His Spirit.
You deduce from Jesus' words that "spiritual life can come through created physical things" - I don't follow that assessment from the Biblical text.
Winchester1973 3 years ago
Win73, then, you must not believe Christ when He said, "You must be born again...by water and the Holy Spirit." For the Spirit of God is Sovereign; He may use His creation however He wills. In His sacraments, He uses matter (water, bread, wine) as signs of His Divine action in the soul. But you are thinking as men think, not as God thinks. St. Paul speaks of "obedience of faith" in Romans. There, "of" means "is" (eg,"city of Rome")You don't submit your thinking to holy Church's doctrine, so err.
wms72 3 years ago
I guess this is where our theological differences lead us. And I don't have to slander or insult you for holding them. I disagree, yes, but the true test for tolerance is here: can I allow your differing views? And only true love can, because true faith can never come by coersion, but by love which allows for free choice.
So, in that sense I appreciated our little dialogue which was characterized by a good spirit of listening, and not of evil and hurtful screaming.
Winchester1973 3 years ago
Win73: I think we're not as different now as when we began. Please see 1Cor11:23-30. Is "Death" a just punishment for not discerning the Body of the Lord in mere bread? Also, please see 2Thess2:15, about holding fast to the true teaching, even if it is not written down, but taught verbally. (Difficult to communicate 100% of the meaning with restricted "character count.") But if you keep loving Truth above all, you will surely find HIM in all His fullness! Best wishes to you in Christ our Hope!
wms72 3 years ago
Howdy wms72!
OK, I did re-read the 1Cor passage. And you are prob about to tell me that the "unworthy manner" is the disregarding of Christ's literal flesh...
And I still read it through a spiritual lens that makes me aware of what Christ has done for me (recognizing His ministry and why He had to die).
Isn't it interesting, though, that this communion service is mentioned with reference to physical nourishment? They were to have their fill at home, so that they wouldn't have to eat as much...
Winchester1973 3 years ago
Exactly. Why would the Apostle threaten them with death for not recognizing Christ if all he was talking about was physical nourishment in the Communion service? Obviously, the partaking of the Bread and Wine was not to satisfy physical needs. Why partake of IT at all, if Christ's saving work is 100% spiritual, with no physical component? How do you get "discerning the Body of the Lord" as (recognizing His ministry and why He had to die)? Paul could have plainly said that; instead of what he did
wms72 3 years ago
No, Winchester, I never said John 3 should not be taken literally. It takes spiritual insight to see that spiritual life can come through the Church's use of consecrated physical things, according to the sacramental usage Jesus instituted. It takes valid revival of our spirit via rebirth in Christ thru the Holy Spirit to see and accept the fullness of the Truth of Christ Incarnate, Christ in the material flesh, Who has come to sanctify and renew all things in Christ.
wms72 3 years ago
Jesus didn't call the people back and say, "What I just said is symbolic." Read the Scripture passage again, and again, and again. The earliest Christians did "this" in memory of me: do we think we have found some new, better way?
AnbaKyrillos 3 years ago
How do you know what "this" refers to, except by Jesus explaining?
In verses 35-47 of ch. 6, Jesus mentions "believe in me", "come to me" and "look to me" ten times, all in reference to eternal life.
When asked what people ought to do to be doing the works of God, Jesus answers in verse 29: "to believe in Him whom He has sent" This would have been the perfect opportunity for Jesus to institute any kind of mystical "eating", yet He didn't. He emphasized the spiritual aspect of trusting!
Winchester1973 3 years ago
Shoot, did I offend you? Sorry, I was just kidding... I didn't really think the new pope looked like Palpatine... I hope I'm not blocked...
MSJelin 4 years ago
Palpatine? ahahhahaha
MuggleSam 4 years ago
I don't moderate comments, but I had to google Palpatine. Was he German?
nalts 4 years ago
Please don't tell me you've never seen the Star Wars Movies, and the evil Sith Lord who lured Anakin to turn to the dark side?
MuggleSam 4 years ago
Amazing ....
SakeBombProductions 4 years ago
Interesting.
IAGuy06 4 years ago
My most boring days as a priest are usually more interesting that my most exciting days when I practiced law!
BrotherofNalts 4 years ago
Do they cut your hair when you join... like the military?
NutCheese 4 years ago
They used to do a thing called "tonsure" where they'd shave part of your head, but not anymore. Now they look skeptically at people who shave their craniums. . . ;)
BrotherofNalts 4 years ago
Wow. What an ending.
elcheef 4 years ago