What a joke. This guy is a moron. I've read the book and he doesn't know how to interpret fiction. Just because a book says "London...those bastards." doesn't mean that Rushdie is calling the people in London bastards. It's the character saying this. It is unbelievable that this even needs to be explained.
@snapcase55 Obviously the character is saying it...that's how you write a novel, through characters! So if i create a cartoon which says all westerners are bastards, it's acceptable to you?=p well, i'm not a westerner, and still it wouldn't be acceptable to me!
@moneeb666 Yes but just because you create characters does not mean you agree with everything a character says. There are hundreds of characters in Rushdie's books. Are you honestly telling me that Rushdie agrees with the thousands of opinions of each of those characters? If half the characters are secular and half are religious, what does Rushdie believe?
If you create a character that says all Westerners are bastards, yes, I am ok with that. It doesn't bother me at all.
@snapcase55 You've missed the point here... Ahmed is trying to tell you how to get a book banned through other means than violence. He's telling you to pinpoint evidence, collect it and go to the heart. So for example, pick a verse that effects the British if you want to get it banned in Britain. Get it?
@Omnislash2000 It makes me sick that you defend this man. He makes jokes about killing an author who writes FICTION in this speech. You really support this guy? That's disgusting.
And no, I'm not defending Ahmed, I'm just pointing out what you don't understand. Both Rushdie and Ahmed make me sick for entirely different reasons, and now, just because you don't let me have freedom to like who I want, just the cause you were defending, you too make me feel sick.
Also, do you know why this man wants to kill the author? It's because Rushdie put a paradox to islam in his novel, a paradox that ridiculed a major religion.
Ok so I have the right to write freely, but can i just insult anyone I like? no. I can not.
@Omnislash2000 Yes you do have the right to insult anyone you like for any reason and not be killed for it. That's exactly the point. If you can't do that, you are a slave.
The event of the Satanic Verses was based on a real event that is discussed by Islamic scholars to this day. If you had either read the Koran or any scholarship on it you'd know that. So at best you are a very ignorant Muslim.
@snapcase55 No that's my point exactly, if I insult anyone, such as a rich powerful mafia boss, I will be killed. If I insult God, I will be killed. Why? because in Islam you and I are slaves to God (apparently Islam means submission correct?) The satanic versus is debated for one reason. Did it happen the way some narrations said it did? or was it fabricated through out hundreds of years like Chinese whispers.
Think about it, question it, open your mind and free your soul.
but you will oneday.Its coming nearer day by day.Surely you will die sooner or later AND you will not escaped.
Its magical if you think about it.Oneday you are here writing arrogantly with and oneday its your turn and thats it ' YOU BE DEAD' and you just dont know what next
I meant we experienced it before when we in our mothers womb ,swimmig for 9 months plus but luckily we landed into this earth BUT now we just dont know where ?SCARY HUH? IF ITS NOT,you still be dead oneday
ur problem is that u r lookin at this term with a negative mind. Even if for the sake of argument i accept ur definition of the term. What is wrong with the term? even the same thing applies for non-christians who does not recognize Jesus as God or who hides, denies theory of Jesus being a son of God.
U dont have any knowledge of Islam and its teaching and that is why u have many misconceptions. Give me ur address and i'll send u some books which might clear ur doubts. Peace
I can assure you there are many who insult "silly" islam and muhammad with no bad conscience, and a large amount of glee in fact, and that these individuals do not represent the cream of their societies. Respect is dependent on one's moral development. However, given the charges presented against Islam, and the constant acts of aggression against and meddling in the afairs of muslim nations, is it such a wonder if the less educated mind amidst us react impatiently?
just hear this genleman how he gets worked up bcs of a silly phantasy book
he is dripping wet with self pity and is near crying about a writer who wrote it
he reads from the passages as if he is quoting from a scientific paper about islam
but one just has to open the quraan and there is not a single chapter or page which does not abuses the non believer and when the muslims talk about a non believer as kafir infidel murtad and so on
Listen , stop your lies for one , there is no such thing in the Quran , unless your speaking of the waring verses , which you need to read in context to understand them..NOT A SINGLE ?? did you read the Quran ?? gimme a break
2nd , In every religoin , they call the non believer names , to the Christians I'm evil and a heretic , according to their savior Jesus I'm a dog and pig , to other religoin im an infidel and blasphemer ,and perhaps other names ..... so did you bring any new arguments ?
what do u call a person who is not a christian? a non-christian right? the arabic word for non-muslim is kafir and what is wrong with that. Quran tells muslims to respect every religion in the first place. SO what dis-respect ur talking about? Check the type of words rushdie has used for different races then u might get the whole idea. I feel really sad that people like u dont perceive things with open mind and unbiased attitude.
the term refers to a person who does not recognize God (Allah) or the prophethood of Muhammad (i.e., any non-Muslim) or who hides, denies, or covers the "truth
unbeliever" "ungrateful" or "obliterator.
the term is seen as derogatory
but who cares what the fanatic muslims call their enemies
we believe in jesus as the mightiest messengers of god " i can of mine ownself do nothing , as i hear i judge and my judgment is right because i seek not my will but the will of him who sent me "
as a muslim i believe in this particular verse :)
did jesus literally claimed " i'm god" ? no what am i denying therefore ?
secondly he (jesus) don't have his own gospel how can i believe in historian's homework?
Ur Lack of Knowledge clearly shows brother.. and this shows y u became an ex-muslim!!!! Rewards and goodies are mentioned in other religions like christianity, judaism too. U r just confused of what i said about being open-minded. I was referring to as being un-biased and positive attitude towards learning about teachings of Islam because u can't possibly perceive/understand anything without having a positive or unbiased mind. Thats y u r just distracted, and lost in ur own assumptions and world
the problem with religious thinking is instead of attacking the idea one attacks the person
there is no such thing as the teaching of islam
islam is just a set of ideas about the world or how to behave in it and these ideas and behavial pattern is not anymore compatible with science of today and the behavial pattern flyes us against tall buildings or teaches us that man was made of mud and women from his left ribb of man or teaches quraan students to blow world wonders or them selves
'There is no such thing as teaching of Islam' What is ur argument for that statement? 'Ideas r not compatible with modern science' Again it shows ur lack of knowledge about Quran. U need to see the interpretation and context of that quranic verse. Today science tells us that whatever elements are in the soil(mud), are present in a human body in either low or high quantity. Quran tells astonishingly accurate facts about science and that too 1400 years ago. Do u want me to state that here?
u argue as if quraan is pure science then why then out of 53 islamic countries not a single is under the 50 best countries why do they not have technology satilites flights to the planets they go for heart surgery in the infidel west and why r u not living in mecca the center of holy science instead of london stop this bullshit of making out of together woven book of the iliterate merchant who cooked out of christianity and jewdism a religion which is a mosaic of 1000 pieces, science
The millions u r talking about r just like u who r totally ignorant of Islam and Quan. U r just looking at the era when muslims are at their possible worst conditions and targetted, opressed by media. The examples ur giving hold no weight whatsoever. West was not developed few centuries ago and they were Muslims who were leading in science because Muslims then were true followers then. Because Muslims r not united and distracted by worldly things, they r not doing that wel in science.
my arguement is that islam is not a single idea it is evolved around and with the science of the conquered countries and is mixed with their traditions and cultures
today except the the blind islamist nobody else is taking its philisophy and and its world out look for serious
millions r laughing at its backwardness and
and its primitivness of its ideas
and the only thing which is catching the eyes of the world is is its fanantic martyers and mullas
The first ever revelation of Quran was 'read' and Islam always have encouraged Progression and learning. If these teaching are not being followed by Muslims, then its not the Quran or Islam to be blamed but the muslims who are not following it properly. Regarding ur extremely poor knowledge about the history of Islam and Quran. watch a documentary made by a non-muslim journalist which was aired on Channel 4 'When Muslims ruled europe' it is available here on youtube and wil clearly open ur eyes.
a book that even islamic scholar do not make anything out of 70% of its text and incourages hatred egocentrims extrimism and superioriy of man over women and worshiping of a jealous allah who has only created his muslims for the sole purpose of worshiping him
bend yr self 50 times a day why why
if this deity is so powerful what benifit does this bully gets from worship and worship
This verse is stating the event of Pharoh and just by taking quotations out of context would get u nowhere.
26:51: Lo! we ardently hope that our Lord will forgive us our sins because we are the first of the believers. (first believers out of non-believers of God of that time).
How can u possibly relate believers as Muslims in this context?
My sincere suggestion to u is: Read something authentic and behave like an educated adult.
Both worlds meaning This mortal world by progresin 4wrd as mentnd in our Quran that only 'through wisdom and knowledge, u can progress and succeed' and also Immortal world where there r blessings from ur Allah all around u. But i fear, u simply cant comprehend this because of the lack of knowledge of both 'this' world and the world hereafter. I wish u a very best of luck to find for the 'logic' coz so far u cudnt bring any logical argument or scientific/stastical evidence to convince me
Again, clearly u shown ur ignorance of the glorious Quran. Just by copying some fabricated translations and posting them here wudnt help. Fortunately for me, i read quran and here are Exact translations of the verses u quoted:tel me where do u find contradictions
2:37: Then Adam received from his Lord words (of revelation), and He relented toward him. Lo! He is the relenting, the Merciful.
2:131: When his Lord said unto him: Surrender! he said: I have surrendered to the Lord of the Worlds.
6:14: Say: Shall I choose for a protecting friend other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, Who feedeth and is never fed? Say: I am ordered to be the first to surrender (unto Him). And be not thou (O Muhammad) of the idolaters.
7:143: And when Moses came to Our appointed tryst and his Lord had spoken unto him, he said: My Lord! Show me (Thy Self), that I may gaze upon Thee. He said: Thou wilt not see Me, but gaze upon the mountain! If it stand still in its place, then thou wilt see Me. And when his Lord revealed (His) glory to the mountain He sent it crashing down. And Moses fell down senseless. And when he woke he said: Glory unto Thee! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the first of (true) believers.
Now do not come back to me without conducting positive research and having authentic knowledge about Quran. These are dirty tactics that u r using by taking quotations out of context and fabricating them. I stil recommend u to watch that documentary 'When Muslims ruled Europe'. ALHAMDULILLAH i try my best to follow Islam and u cant give examples of black sheeps in Muslims and impose them to whole of the Muslim Ummah. Again please stop using 'dirty and ignorant tactics'
take a step back and take a critical view of yr beloved relgion of peace
how it is sucking 1.5 billion humans and 53 countries of the world to backwardness and middle age
so long as there is no (ejtehad ) and change in the world view you will loose even more yr sweet dreams of glory of the past has no value for the present u r being over roled by the tide of change
98% of the youth in islamic countries want to migrate and live in the west
'' 98% of the youth in islamic countries want to migrate and live in the west
why ''
u r just being pathetic now and that is a height of ignorance from u!!! just prove ur logic and argument to support ur claim that u made for 98% of muslims?
To be honest with u. i have stepd bak and took a critical view and guess what. I got more closer to my beloved religion and its getting deeper and deeper in me. U know why? because i read with understanding. thats what i recommend u to do too.
dear salman khan 4 me there r 1000 of other scientific and logical books to read rather than to read a book which is gathered by pieces of unrelated itemes befor a thousand years
i wish you a lot of luck with yr beloved mental viral deases
u have no chance against this brainwash
it has not helped u to be amid the pulsing heart of modern world (UK)
it is a waste I am sorry 4 you allthough u r one of the lucky 98% but u don't deserve it
So u cudnt bring a single statistical evidence to prove ur claim about 98% of Muslims and ALHAMDULILLAH u cant bring any i can challenge u. U hv 1000 'logical' books to read and yet u dont sound or argue logically. thats interesting. Quran itself is an open challenge to modern science but yet it doesn't sound logical to u. i m in UK and recently finished My Masters from here and now going Back to my Homeland coz our Prophet says Learn even if u had to go faraway and Have the best of both worlds.
loool wilie dont make a fun out of yourself your just proving that you know nothing about islam and that you just went to an anti-islamic website what a fool and what ignorance quran has no contradictions no body untill now have found one single real contradiction this just proofs that you know nothing
the problem with the believers is that they have fooled them self with this old book full of non sense and mixed madness
which is not a fgain worth in todays world
and if the arabic countries had not had this oil yr islam was in the dust bin of history this oil will finish in 50 years and so will this dogmatic and fanatical religion of peace
So u started beating about the bush again with ur useless and illogical claims out of pure ignorance. When u havent read quran, how can u possibly claim such a thing. Islam will always spread and prevail regardless of resources.
it is enough that you muslims read it for the last 1000 years and have given the world and humanity nothing but terror and ignorance
why should we waste our time on the book of an iliterate arab merchant who is praised bcs of his pedophile and sadistic terror and extravagant promises of paradisse and virgines
''islam looses every year more than any religion or belief system'' again all talks but no evidence or logic. From where ur getting all these fantasies? do u actually live in the real world? Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and has also surpassed christianity.
I have watched this video and i also wonder y those christian priests chose to go to poor Africans who r literally helpless and needy and would do anything to get hold of food and money. Y didnt they target 6 million American Muslims and change them to Christians? Just because they dont need any money or food or there is some other reason? 2ndly, the guy who claimed for those numbers doesnt hold any weight at all because he dint give any statistical evidence backed up by research.
brother.. there is no point arguing with this ignorant Kafir since he cudnt bring a single logical argument or evidence to prove his claims.. He is just making statement out of pure ignorance and hence making a fool of himself.
mr salman it is as if you can bring top actuel evidence of yr childish claims about this death cult which you think is pure science and as fact you recites this old book and you think the world will accept it
my goodness
have you ever talked about yr belief out side yr religious zealots
if anybody listens it is out of pure politness not that anybody is convinced
ALHAMDULILLAH, i hv convinced many ppl but those ppl are just adament abt one thing only which is 'thats our religion of forefathers and we cant leave it'' and Mr Willie. again u have not shown any evidence whatsoever of ur claims. R u just being stupid or u r actually one? Yes we do have a death 'cult' for rapers and killers and we r pround to have it coz v love our women unlike u guys who will just give a 'raper' 14 years of sentence n set him free n U feel proud over it t b a modern westerner
This Old book has been accepted by many scientists including keith moor who was stunned to see the detailed information provided about embryology in Quran. Furthermore, it tells about the water cycle on earth, moon light doesnt have its own light, earth is in a shape of ostrich egg, big bang theory, separation between salty water n sweet water, skin pain receptors and many more which science discovered few decades ago. How is it possible to have dis information available in a 1400 year old book?
this old book is accepted by nobody but those who have been baught by his majisty the king of the oil company the alsauds of arabia and some other zealot
now show me why not one of the renowned universities or scientific institutions accept it as science but as a piece of mystical bullshit prone to scorn and laughter
how can it be possible to be so intelliggent and so naive in the same brain
I know u r smart but when it comes to yr religion suddenly yr hypnotized brain chainges
What a load of junk ur talking without reading the Quran and without bringing any scientific evidence to prove ur claims? Y dont u talk like a reasonable man and make sm sense? Just by making assumptions and making false claims wudnt help u win the argument. I mentioned scienctific revelations that r mentioned in the quran 1400 years ago now u prove me those were scientifically wrong or doesnt conform with the modern science and this time bring some scientific evidence alongwith references.
''how can it be possible to be so intelliggent and so naive in the same brain
I know u r smart but when it comes to yr religion suddenly yr hypnotized brain chainges''
It is the other way around my friend coz so far no one can prove or discover any scientific error in Quran however Dr Zakir Naik mentioned 26 scientific errors in Bible in an open debate with Dr. William Campbell out of which he cudnt even prove a single one wrong. Is this the bible u naively believe in? whose brain is hypnotized?
do me a favor pls don't stamp me out to be a christian or jew or muslim
4 me all of these monoistic or duellistic religions r not enought to quentch my thirst for eagerness to find out what really lays behind the complex grandeur of our nature and cosmos
my religion is the newest findings of real science and reason of today and not of the bronz ages
I attack islam bcs I live under its dreadfull banner and as an ex muslim atheist
If ur not a christian then i wonder y u askd me t watch that video then. Anyway, now u do me a favour and be scientific since u claimd to find 'reasons' of real science. I mentioned that Quran despite being 1400 years old conforms with the modern science perfectly and does not contradict with established facts and gave u several scientific facts mentioned in this Glorious Book that science found few decades ago. It that book was 'obelete' then how it stil managed t conform wid d modern science?
did you not get the point why I asked you to watch that clip bcs
this was not a tele evangelist who was talking this was aljazeera correspondent talking with the head of the libian head of islamic institution
who was concerned over the religious migration which is taking place
becide the enlightment which is opening the eyes of some muslims like me other religions r as well taking a chunk of this islamic cake so conversion is not a one way street
Its not the enlightment ur getting but the darkness of pure ignorance u got urslef into. Lack of knowledge clearly raised doubts in ur mind. Y did u avoid talking about Quran conforming with the modern science? That is a big and logical evidence to prove that it is a word of God ALLAH.
where as ussman gathered the shreds of verses 23 years after the death of mohammad
what happened to quraan in this 380 years
today quraan experts out side islam have accepte it as a fact that quraan evolved in this 400 years the german scholar gerd puin has the copies of the saanna shreds
there r many discrpancies between the quraan that u have and those one which is dated 200 years earlyer
today quraan experts out side islam have accepte it as a fact that quraan evolved in this 400 years''
Give me some references and the fabricartions or evolution that they have claimed to have been made in the Quran. Just by claiming doesnt hold any weight. I need references. Enough of u talking and claiming like a kid. Behave like an educated person and provide some proofs.
again no references just talking.. man m fedup of this illogical argument with u.. dont worry i dont take u as my enemy but all i want is proper argument!!
There are plenty of nobel prize scientists who dont believe in darwins' theory and argues that they have missing links. This system of theory is continuously evolving and cannot be relied upon until it becomes an established fact and u shud be wise enough to understand that if u claim to be science oriented. Now prove to me other scientific facts that r mentioned in the Quran to be wrong and against the modern science. Its an open challenge to u.
like others u seem to have only read someone else`s opinion of the Quran and not the Quran itself. You talk about natural selection, there are tons of verses in the Quran that talk about it. insects, mammals, aves, embryos, astronomy, race, etc. Islam is a complete code that covers every aspect of life, frm hygiene, sleeping, eating, walking, talking, business, frndship, neighbourhood, how to protect/defend urself, rules of engagement, etc. U dont know anything. stop claiming ok?
u lack the stomach for the realities of what life n the true human nature is. who are the biggest mass murderers, the west kills more civilians in a day than any dictator or warlord.
All under the name of democracy and human rights. they lock up n torture ppl for 6 yrs plus with no trial. a non muslim in a muslim community is entitled to full rights and protection under islam. spainish jews can testify to that for 800yrs under islam. we all knw how the spanish inquisition went afterwards.
ok i get where u r coming from. sadly my knowledge of other religions is not so great. i can speak for islam.
unlike the popular belief that religion and science do not mix, Islam encourages science, not labelling it as evil.
there is a book that gives quote by quote scientific facts and phenomena from the Quran, will get u the name. But there are practical ethics for science right? same in Islam. Most of early mathematicians, doctors and philosophers were muslims. u dont hear that in school.
when muslims say there is no contradiction between islam and science
they forget that the official dogma of creation of man by allah from mud and women from the left ribb of man is so far from science that nothing can be so far away from reality like such a suposition
there is nothing commen between religion and science
bcs science is the worst enemy of religious dogmas
Do you really blv that u were once a fish? then a frog..... and on? reminds me of an episode in southpark. lol. what next in the stage of evolution, are we going to grow wings? why havent sharks and other beings not physically evolved for millions of yrs? science is still young and has a lot to learn.
NB: think about the concept of witch craft and voodoo.
I don't believe, science (biology ) has proved that life originated from oceans and fish and frogs are the chain of the life from oceans to land
we have certainly evolved(in millions of years ) from them to us against whitch kraft and voodoo or hindu belief you are imune or let us say a disbeliever (atheist)
If u want me to bring those 26 scientific errors mentioned in bible please do ask me and i'll be happy to do that(with references) n m 200% sure u wud get nowhere after that coz even ur so called scholar Dr. William campbell surrendered and said 'Dr. Zakir naik has brought some real problems for me. I dont have any good answers for them' He totally and badly lost it and cudnt prove a single error wrong. U need to be smart enough to understand that now. u can watch that debate on youtube as well
it seems deedat can't distinguish between the need to draw characters for a story and the author of that story himself. He also feels the need to exploit the audience (knowing fullwell that that the majority of the audience is muslim and therefore will feel uncomfortable approaching the book itself because it's taboo) taking quotes from dialogue of characters, which in no way reflect the opinion of the writer himself.
this guy threwq my prophets name in this u agree with that how about i write a book where my characters call ur mother hoe and sister trailler trash how u feel about that its not my opinion by my charater say this not me my character u so full of shit
I suspect English is not your first language. Neither is reason or freedom.
The principle of Freedom of Speech is far more important than any offence you may take. Living in a free world means that your prophet may not be considered in the same ignorant light you shine, but hey, that's the price you pay for living in an enlightened society.
Do you even know that the 'insult' to your prophet Rushdie wrote is?
something about having satan inspire certain verses in the quran i love how ppl enjoy examning my religon from a bias perspective am done wit u man if u want the truth find it but do go around disrespecting ppl
sexyzarina, I am not a zionist. I support freedom of expression, i would have against any ban even if what Deedat claimed were facts. But here I have not gone onto that matter. I simply pointed out how Deedat picking up sentences out of context tried to manipulate people. If you wish i can send you an ebook to check against my comments. Anyway thanks for your comments.
sexyzarina, I am not a zionist. I support freedom of expression, i would have against any ban even if what Deedat claimed were facts. But here I have not gone onto that matter. I simply pointed out how Deedat picking up sentences out of context tried to manipulate people. If you wish i can send you an ebook to check against my comments. Anyway thanks for your comments.
sexyzarina, I am not a zionist. I support freedom of expression, i would have against any ban even if what Deedat claimed were facts. But here I have not gone onto that matter. I simply pointed out how Deedat picking up sentences out of context tried to manipulate people. If you wish i can send you an ebook to check against my comments. Anyway thanks for your comments.
carvak are u slaman rushdie lool listen man slaman rushdie got famous only cuz he used to be a muslim who worte stupid shit i know khomayni was dumb to deal with him however rushdie is a filthy writer
Perhaps u heard of Rushdie only after publication of 'Satanic Verses',but he was already famous for the book 'Midnights children' and it own 'Booker prize', 'Best of Bookers in 25 yrs' ,'Best of Bookers in 40 yrs' and considered to be one of the greatest novel of the 20th century.That book has nothing to do with 'stupid shit about islam' and the muslimcommunity is responsible for making the fuss over 'satanic verses',so the 'fame' of 'satanic verses' almost entirely goes to fanatics like you
Wat hav u been watchin carvak, if u dont believe Sheikh Deedat den go READ DA BLOODY BOOK UR SELF! damnnnnn! common sense nowadayz, wer do people loose it????
i have read the book and thats why i know how Deedat picked lines out of context. and i know either he lied that he read the book or delibaretly tried to deceive.
i posted a comment on this video, where i have refuted every comment made by Deedat very specificaly, i mean in a specific page in which context certain comment has been made, i even made quotes from the book. But strangely i cant find it now, someone has removed it. anyway i would post it again some later time. btw "Sheikh Ahmed Deedat-How Rushdie Fooled the West?(3/14)" in this video therer is still a similar post, if you wish you may read it.
what has belief got to do with it, deedat is not giving any convincing arguments, and the arguments he is giving are based on misrepresentaion of the text and the author.
1)PAGE-1,"..Those bastards down ..."..Its not a direct qutation,itsmade by 'Gibreel Fasrishta',a protagonist.its to express that charachters disgust for English culture.
2)Its worthless to comment on Deedats literary sense,still just let me mention here that the use of nativewords in English language is a style to give a flavour of 'Indian way of speaking' and Rushdie was not the first one to do that,nobel laureate Naipul and many others employed that technique.
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I watched all 14 video's of "Sheikh Ahmed Deedat-How Rushdie Fooled the West?" Deedat was going left & right not knowing what to answer .I guess he has no answer because the "Satanic Verses" are truly found in the koran!
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I watched all 14 video's of "Sheikh Ahmed Deedat-How Rushdie Fooled the West?" Deedat was going left & right not knowing what to answer .I guess he has no answer because the "Satanic Verses" are truly found in the koran!
want to be a Muslim but to go to heaven I have to kill infidels to get good sex, Koran teaches that? Why when I can visit the brothel and have sex with hookers? And while I am at it pick up pressed grape juice! (Non alcoholic wine as assured by Allah) All above treats I can get from Wal-Mart, my local superstore or the brothel! Why should I convert when my wife gives me good sex and I don't want fresh virgins as I am faithful! I want to be a Muslim but what can you give me besides sex?
No friend quran does not teach that (Kill Infidel) i dont know where you are getting all these misconceptions??? taking verses out of context can create many misconceptions for instance please watch this short video "watch?v=o-S-Emg7nmI" and u will get how media is misguiding non-muslims. You seems to be good at your faith take care may God bless you
I like the way this sheikh genuinely seems to refer to jews as brothers!
muslims and jews are brothers and we should stop fighting eacother and live in peace! im gaining more respect for this scholars view as the lecture continues
Fuck Rushdie he will burn in hell inshallah,i hope he dies a horrafic death and wen he is dieying i like 2 b der so i can look at him and spit on hes eyeball.
ok, how does religion stop that???? if we look back, religion was spread through freedom of speech.. if the Kings and Queens didn't allow it (the preaching) religion would never have spread. anyway, religion is the most important "thing" or belief in any person's live.. no arguement there...
certainly if i wrote a book with cheap claims about ur mother(having incest with U) would u be all too happy me getting all top notch "book awards". if u have even the slightest respect for ur mother i think i got ur answer.
Excuse me... this is a novel. And what Mr. deedat does as usual is that he does not mention the whole reference. If you check those portions, they are clearly text that is quoting someone else.
There are thousands of books and novels with similar profanity.
Brains... brains.
And what was that? If Muslims were brainless, I wouldn't exist today?
That's another brainles statement. Can you prove it?
yes i do know that these words come out from Rush-Die's characters, but mate u missed the point by a mile-answer my question, u kool if i write profanity about ur mum???
Atleast you admitted that Rushdie is quoting charecters. So that means the only issue is that one of rushdies charecters in his NOVEL speaks profanity about my mum??? That's the only thing that led you guys to declare fatwas, burn shops, cars, wreck lives???
Just for the record, I do not care two hoots what you write about my mother, father blah blah blah. I know as well as any sane human being that whatever you write in your novel is not going to change a thing.
Violence based on a novel. What a wonderful example of what Islam teaches (some say peace, some say submission... I think Islam means submission without peaceful means).
A good majority of the world uses their brains over brawns. A little look at the relationship between the Israilies and Arabs is a suitable example.
sobase, if you have any points to refute the points I have pointed, then please do. If you don't and keep making statements such as these without anything to substiate your claims, then it only proves my point. So you can think whatever you want and that won't change a thing.
Anyway, you said you are "thinking". That is a good sign.
cheapshot1234, this reply confirming that you are brainless. Idiot is even better. Review again all your responses, if u really have brain then you'll find out what I mean.
oops, sobase, where's the refutation to my points??? No refutation??? Once again, your ambigous statements which have nothing to substantiate the claim that "If Muslims were brainless, I wouldn't exist today?"
I guess you just reach the end of the line. It's okay to admit that you made a mistake once. Isn't it the islamic thing to do?? oh yeah, I forgot, you blame the jews and everyone else for all your problems.
>>I did not comment anything about those things you said.
Yes, we all can see that you have nothing to comment on me asking you to substantiate your statements as there is no proof or any shred of evidence that neither you nor anyone can bring forth.
Atleast that is a good admission and I must congragulate you for admitting that you there is absolutely no truth in your statement. It's a good way to start. May you continue in this manner.
Cheapshot1234, don't bother to reply me..I've known the quality of your brain from statements. My suggestion is do speak to yourself more...and not to bull shit a lot...there are many smart people out there who can judge things are stupid or not...
I've asked a very simple thing: simply to substantiate what you wrote. And you cannot do that. And everyone know what it means when someone cannot substantiate what he says..
I've know a good share of Islamic history. I was in Saudi Arabia for 18 years.
You said that if muslims were brainless, I wouldn't exist today. Can you please explain and prove this. Unless you don't, it will prove exactly what I was saying.
By the way, you are a muslim right? Then I perfectly understand why you give such replies.
"And be not grieved by the sayings of those [who deny the truth]. Behold, all might and glory belong to God alone: He alone is all-hearing, all-knowing." (10:65). Roshdi (and his likes) is nothing but a lowlife and he is being used. He will only wake up in his grave!
wisdom4all5000 another proof of how islam tries to manipulate their historical facts !
subject rushdie writing about censored koran and just see how they avoid this point and start to tell their made up stories to counter just the fact that islam is no religion but a political vicious tool.
So in Rushdie's novel he claims he sleepet with the queen, slags off Thatcher, and Londoners are bastards. So we should want to kill him as well? Has this man stopped for a second to even consider what people we would be if we would even consider it right to kill someone for offending us.
freedomLeaver,u idiot if u doesnt feel bad some one slanders ur mother sister,it could b good for u , but majority of people dont feel like u bcoz they would never tolerate this type of rubbish behaviour.
May Allah place you in Hannah! For your speech.
farhad56560 2 weeks ago
This Bastard thinks he is fooling British in London itself. Wonder what happened to him after this.
kshathriyaraja 6 months ago
What a joke. This guy is a moron. I've read the book and he doesn't know how to interpret fiction. Just because a book says "London...those bastards." doesn't mean that Rushdie is calling the people in London bastards. It's the character saying this. It is unbelievable that this even needs to be explained.
snapcase55 1 year ago
@snapcase55 Obviously the character is saying it...that's how you write a novel, through characters! So if i create a cartoon which says all westerners are bastards, it's acceptable to you?=p well, i'm not a westerner, and still it wouldn't be acceptable to me!
moneeb666 1 year ago
@moneeb666 Yes but just because you create characters does not mean you agree with everything a character says. There are hundreds of characters in Rushdie's books. Are you honestly telling me that Rushdie agrees with the thousands of opinions of each of those characters? If half the characters are secular and half are religious, what does Rushdie believe?
If you create a character that says all Westerners are bastards, yes, I am ok with that. It doesn't bother me at all.
snapcase55 1 year ago
@snapcase55 You've missed the point here... Ahmed is trying to tell you how to get a book banned through other means than violence. He's telling you to pinpoint evidence, collect it and go to the heart. So for example, pick a verse that effects the British if you want to get it banned in Britain. Get it?
Omnislash2000 6 months ago
@Omnislash2000 It makes me sick that you defend this man. He makes jokes about killing an author who writes FICTION in this speech. You really support this guy? That's disgusting.
snapcase55 6 months ago
@snapcase55
I have the "freedom" to defend who I like.
And no, I'm not defending Ahmed, I'm just pointing out what you don't understand. Both Rushdie and Ahmed make me sick for entirely different reasons, and now, just because you don't let me have freedom to like who I want, just the cause you were defending, you too make me feel sick.
Omnislash2000 6 months ago
Also, do you know why this man wants to kill the author? It's because Rushdie put a paradox to islam in his novel, a paradox that ridiculed a major religion.
Ok so I have the right to write freely, but can i just insult anyone I like? no. I can not.
Omnislash2000 6 months ago
@Omnislash2000 Yes you do have the right to insult anyone you like for any reason and not be killed for it. That's exactly the point. If you can't do that, you are a slave.
The event of the Satanic Verses was based on a real event that is discussed by Islamic scholars to this day. If you had either read the Koran or any scholarship on it you'd know that. So at best you are a very ignorant Muslim.
snapcase55 6 months ago
@snapcase55 No that's my point exactly, if I insult anyone, such as a rich powerful mafia boss, I will be killed. If I insult God, I will be killed. Why? because in Islam you and I are slaves to God (apparently Islam means submission correct?) The satanic versus is debated for one reason. Did it happen the way some narrations said it did? or was it fabricated through out hundreds of years like Chinese whispers.
Think about it, question it, open your mind and free your soul.
Omnislash2000 6 months ago
@Omnislash2000 Ok - "FUCK YOU, GOD" I am now waiting to be killed...
snapcase55 3 months ago
I'm not dead!! Wow. Magic.
snapcase55 3 months ago
@snapcase55
but you will oneday.Its coming nearer day by day.Surely you will die sooner or later AND you will not escaped.
Its magical if you think about it.Oneday you are here writing arrogantly with and oneday its your turn and thats it ' YOU BE DEAD' and you just dont know what next
I meant we experienced it before when we in our mothers womb ,swimmig for 9 months plus but luckily we landed into this earth BUT now we just dont know where ?SCARY HUH? IF ITS NOT,you still be dead oneday
sadliali 1 month ago in playlist Ahmed Deedat - How Salman Rushdie Fooled the West?
Still not dead...
snapcase55 3 months ago
Still awaiting God's wrath. Time to go eat a pork sandwich...
snapcase55 3 months ago
@snapcase55
lol that was kind of funny. A swine joke. Gotta love them pork sandwiches.
Anyway, who cares whether God exists or not right?
Peace.
Omnislash2000 3 months ago
@Omnislash2000 True. Pork is delicious, I must add.
snapcase55 2 months ago
@snapcase55
lol you half wit.
I meant if I insult God to an extremist, God's henchmen will kill me. Those fools with the weapons. Hence why I associated God with a mafia boss.
Bosses don't work on their own.
Omnislash2000 2 months ago
@Omnislash2000 I may be the halfwit but you are the terrible writer. We make quite a pair.
snapcase55 2 months ago
@snapcase55
Elementary dear Watson.
Omnislash2000 2 months ago
its a book!!!!
hafssol82 2 years ago
Mr Wilie..
ur problem is that u r lookin at this term with a negative mind. Even if for the sake of argument i accept ur definition of the term. What is wrong with the term? even the same thing applies for non-christians who does not recognize Jesus as God or who hides, denies theory of Jesus being a son of God.
U dont have any knowledge of Islam and its teaching and that is why u have many misconceptions. Give me ur address and i'll send u some books which might clear ur doubts. Peace
salmankhalidch 2 years ago 2
What Freedom you guys are talking about ?
Freedom of speech dosen't mean that i can write any bullshit and publish it !
Freedom should be linked with respect to be excepted !
also we should respect people's minds !
our noble valuse are lost because of your miss understanding of the concept FREEDOM !
lapumpenera 2 years ago 17
mr.lapumpenera salaam
freedom is: u have all the right in the world not to buy or read this book
or to critizes it
but u have no right to stop others writing it
when some of the muslims call believers of other religions as kafir and infidel who will burn in hell, he has no bad conscience
only when it comes to his own silly religion then the rules change and we the infidiles must respect islam and mohammad
no sir
there is no such thing as respecting belief or faith
regards
wilie123 2 years ago
mr. wilie123
I can assure you there are many who insult "silly" islam and muhammad with no bad conscience, and a large amount of glee in fact, and that these individuals do not represent the cream of their societies. Respect is dependent on one's moral development. However, given the charges presented against Islam, and the constant acts of aggression against and meddling in the afairs of muslim nations, is it such a wonder if the less educated mind amidst us react impatiently?
raidenvssolidsnak 2 years ago
Mr. raidenvss salaam
actually in the 21st century attacking a religion or its god is called a (victimless crime)
bcs religion is not a person it is just another view about the world or life
the proble with islam is that bcs its believers have lived so long in islolation they r not used to critic
now that they are in our middle and a part of us we can not ignor or just let them be in the name of respect
so I respect you but not your views sir
u can change yr views but not yr self phisicly
wilie123 2 years ago
mr raidenvss
just hear this genleman how he gets worked up bcs of a silly phantasy book
he is dripping wet with self pity and is near crying about a writer who wrote it
he reads from the passages as if he is quoting from a scientific paper about islam
but one just has to open the quraan and there is not a single chapter or page which does not abuses the non believer and when the muslims talk about a non believer as kafir infidel murtad and so on
is that not an attack on human beings ?
wilie123 2 years ago
Listen , stop your lies for one , there is no such thing in the Quran , unless your speaking of the waring verses , which you need to read in context to understand them..NOT A SINGLE ?? did you read the Quran ?? gimme a break
2nd , In every religoin , they call the non believer names , to the Christians I'm evil and a heretic , according to their savior Jesus I'm a dog and pig , to other religoin im an infidel and blasphemer ,and perhaps other names ..... so did you bring any new arguments ?
Tchado1000 2 years ago
mr tchado hallo
is it not high time to do away with all these stoneage books and retarded religion which only teach hate and ethnic clensing
why not think about hunger and desease and solving together 1000 of other important issues with the help of science than
fight over which big brother is the right one
wilie123 2 years ago
No Sir !
You can call me a Kafir, but tell me why, then we will have a discussion, simply like what Deedat was doing !
If i beleive that you will be burned in hell i must to tell you that, because i don't want it for you !
should i clap for who is worshiping a cat ?
No !
I respect him as a humen, but i don't respect his idea !
if some one doesn't respect islam, OK lets debate !
But with Rushdi, there is no place of discussin his book as you see !
although, the Queen of UK honord him !!
lapumpenera 2 years ago
what do u call a person who is not a christian? a non-christian right? the arabic word for non-muslim is kafir and what is wrong with that. Quran tells muslims to respect every religion in the first place. SO what dis-respect ur talking about? Check the type of words rushdie has used for different races then u might get the whole idea. I feel really sad that people like u dont perceive things with open mind and unbiased attitude.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
mr,samn
the term refers to a person who does not recognize God (Allah) or the prophethood of Muhammad (i.e., any non-Muslim) or who hides, denies, or covers the "truth
unbeliever" "ungrateful" or "obliterator.
the term is seen as derogatory
but who cares what the fanatic muslims call their enemies
which they have more than enough
the truth is that they are in the losing side
wilie123 2 years ago
@wilie123
@wilie123
you're on the loosing side :)
we believe in jesus as the mightiest messengers of god " i can of mine ownself do nothing , as i hear i judge and my judgment is right because i seek not my will but the will of him who sent me "
as a muslim i believe in this particular verse :)
did jesus literally claimed " i'm god" ? no what am i denying therefore ?
secondly he (jesus) don't have his own gospel how can i believe in historian's homework?
SimoDluffy 2 years ago
mr salman salaam open mindness is a one way street for islamists
u mean open mindness for islam
why should we be open minded towards it there is no open mindness in islam
what is open minded in this arabic death cult
as an ex muslim I can tell you I am and was fed up with this intolorant sect
which is astonishingly still capable of convincing millions of un informed humans with rewards and goodies after death
muslims r only open minded where they r in small minority
wilie123 2 years ago
Ur Lack of Knowledge clearly shows brother.. and this shows y u became an ex-muslim!!!! Rewards and goodies are mentioned in other religions like christianity, judaism too. U r just confused of what i said about being open-minded. I was referring to as being un-biased and positive attitude towards learning about teachings of Islam because u can't possibly perceive/understand anything without having a positive or unbiased mind. Thats y u r just distracted, and lost in ur own assumptions and world
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
the problem with religious thinking is instead of attacking the idea one attacks the person
there is no such thing as the teaching of islam
islam is just a set of ideas about the world or how to behave in it and these ideas and behavial pattern is not anymore compatible with science of today and the behavial pattern flyes us against tall buildings or teaches us that man was made of mud and women from his left ribb of man or teaches quraan students to blow world wonders or them selves
wilie123 2 years ago
'There is no such thing as teaching of Islam' What is ur argument for that statement? 'Ideas r not compatible with modern science' Again it shows ur lack of knowledge about Quran. U need to see the interpretation and context of that quranic verse. Today science tells us that whatever elements are in the soil(mud), are present in a human body in either low or high quantity. Quran tells astonishingly accurate facts about science and that too 1400 years ago. Do u want me to state that here?
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
u argue as if quraan is pure science then why then out of 53 islamic countries not a single is under the 50 best countries why do they not have technology satilites flights to the planets they go for heart surgery in the infidel west and why r u not living in mecca the center of holy science instead of london stop this bullshit of making out of together woven book of the iliterate merchant who cooked out of christianity and jewdism a religion which is a mosaic of 1000 pieces, science
wilie123 2 years ago
The millions u r talking about r just like u who r totally ignorant of Islam and Quan. U r just looking at the era when muslims are at their possible worst conditions and targetted, opressed by media. The examples ur giving hold no weight whatsoever. West was not developed few centuries ago and they were Muslims who were leading in science because Muslims then were true followers then. Because Muslims r not united and distracted by worldly things, they r not doing that wel in science.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
(What is ur argument for that statement? )
my arguement is that islam is not a single idea it is evolved around and with the science of the conquered countries and is mixed with their traditions and cultures
today except the the blind islamist nobody else is taking its philisophy and and its world out look for serious
millions r laughing at its backwardness and
and its primitivness of its ideas
and the only thing which is catching the eyes of the world is is its fanantic martyers and mullas
wilie123 2 years ago
The first ever revelation of Quran was 'read' and Islam always have encouraged Progression and learning. If these teaching are not being followed by Muslims, then its not the Quran or Islam to be blamed but the muslims who are not following it properly. Regarding ur extremely poor knowledge about the history of Islam and Quran. watch a documentary made by a non-muslim journalist which was aired on Channel 4 'When Muslims ruled europe' it is available here on youtube and wil clearly open ur eyes.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
yes read
read what the science of the bronz age
a book that even islamic scholar do not make anything out of 70% of its text and incourages hatred egocentrims extrimism and superioriy of man over women and worshiping of a jealous allah who has only created his muslims for the sole purpose of worshiping him
bend yr self 50 times a day why why
if this deity is so powerful what benifit does this bully gets from worship and worship
why this waste of time and resources .
wilie123 2 years ago
This verse is stating the event of Pharoh and just by taking quotations out of context would get u nowhere.
26:51: Lo! we ardently hope that our Lord will forgive us our sins because we are the first of the believers. (first believers out of non-believers of God of that time).
How can u possibly relate believers as Muslims in this context?
My sincere suggestion to u is: Read something authentic and behave like an educated adult.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
cont'd:
Both worlds meaning This mortal world by progresin 4wrd as mentnd in our Quran that only 'through wisdom and knowledge, u can progress and succeed' and also Immortal world where there r blessings from ur Allah all around u. But i fear, u simply cant comprehend this because of the lack of knowledge of both 'this' world and the world hereafter. I wish u a very best of luck to find for the 'logic' coz so far u cudnt bring any logical argument or scientific/stastical evidence to convince me
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
a test of pure science
2:37
Adam learned the words of inspiration from Allah. Adam was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 2:131 says Abraham was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 6:14 says Muhammad was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 7:143 says Moses was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 26:51 says some Egyptians were the first Muslims.
the old arguement
the muslims of today don't follow the real islam
do you
wilie123 2 years ago
Again, clearly u shown ur ignorance of the glorious Quran. Just by copying some fabricated translations and posting them here wudnt help. Fortunately for me, i read quran and here are Exact translations of the verses u quoted:tel me where do u find contradictions
2:37: Then Adam received from his Lord words (of revelation), and He relented toward him. Lo! He is the relenting, the Merciful.
2:131: When his Lord said unto him: Surrender! he said: I have surrendered to the Lord of the Worlds.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
cont'd:
6:14: Say: Shall I choose for a protecting friend other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, Who feedeth and is never fed? Say: I am ordered to be the first to surrender (unto Him). And be not thou (O Muhammad) of the idolaters.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
7:143: And when Moses came to Our appointed tryst and his Lord had spoken unto him, he said: My Lord! Show me (Thy Self), that I may gaze upon Thee. He said: Thou wilt not see Me, but gaze upon the mountain! If it stand still in its place, then thou wilt see Me. And when his Lord revealed (His) glory to the mountain He sent it crashing down. And Moses fell down senseless. And when he woke he said: Glory unto Thee! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the first of (true) believers.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
Now do not come back to me without conducting positive research and having authentic knowledge about Quran. These are dirty tactics that u r using by taking quotations out of context and fabricating them. I stil recommend u to watch that documentary 'When Muslims ruled Europe'. ALHAMDULILLAH i try my best to follow Islam and u cant give examples of black sheeps in Muslims and impose them to whole of the Muslim Ummah. Again please stop using 'dirty and ignorant tactics'
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
my sincere sugestion to you is dear salman khan
take a step back and take a critical view of yr beloved relgion of peace
how it is sucking 1.5 billion humans and 53 countries of the world to backwardness and middle age
so long as there is no (ejtehad ) and change in the world view you will loose even more yr sweet dreams of glory of the past has no value for the present u r being over roled by the tide of change
98% of the youth in islamic countries want to migrate and live in the west
why
wilie123 2 years ago
'' 98% of the youth in islamic countries want to migrate and live in the west
why ''
u r just being pathetic now and that is a height of ignorance from u!!! just prove ur logic and argument to support ur claim that u made for 98% of muslims?
To be honest with u. i have stepd bak and took a critical view and guess what. I got more closer to my beloved religion and its getting deeper and deeper in me. U know why? because i read with understanding. thats what i recommend u to do too.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
dear salman khan 4 me there r 1000 of other scientific and logical books to read rather than to read a book which is gathered by pieces of unrelated itemes befor a thousand years
i wish you a lot of luck with yr beloved mental viral deases
u have no chance against this brainwash
it has not helped u to be amid the pulsing heart of modern world (UK)
it is a waste I am sorry 4 you allthough u r one of the lucky 98% but u don't deserve it
wasalaam
wilie123 2 years ago
So u cudnt bring a single statistical evidence to prove ur claim about 98% of Muslims and ALHAMDULILLAH u cant bring any i can challenge u. U hv 1000 'logical' books to read and yet u dont sound or argue logically. thats interesting. Quran itself is an open challenge to modern science but yet it doesn't sound logical to u. i m in UK and recently finished My Masters from here and now going Back to my Homeland coz our Prophet says Learn even if u had to go faraway and Have the best of both worlds.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
loool wilie dont make a fun out of yourself your just proving that you know nothing about islam and that you just went to an anti-islamic website what a fool and what ignorance quran has no contradictions no body untill now have found one single real contradiction this just proofs that you know nothing
11101ahmed 2 years ago 2
salam ahmad
the problem with the believers is that they have fooled them self with this old book full of non sense and mixed madness
which is not a fgain worth in todays world
and if the arabic countries had not had this oil yr islam was in the dust bin of history this oil will finish in 50 years and so will this dogmatic and fanatical religion of peace
wilie123 2 years ago
So u started beating about the bush again with ur useless and illogical claims out of pure ignorance. When u havent read quran, how can u possibly claim such a thing. Islam will always spread and prevail regardless of resources.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
i send him the answer to his contradiction i bet he feels like a sheep now he is too ignorant
11101ahmed 2 years ago
why should we infidels read quraan
it is enough that you muslims read it for the last 1000 years and have given the world and humanity nothing but terror and ignorance
why should we waste our time on the book of an iliterate arab merchant who is praised bcs of his pedophile and sadistic terror and extravagant promises of paradisse and virgines
wilie123 2 years ago
islam looses every year more than any religion or belief system it flock it is only the the extravagant birth rate which keeps its growth
and if it spreads it is only its hate which spreads
wilie123 2 years ago
''islam looses every year more than any religion or belief system'' again all talks but no evidence or logic. From where ur getting all these fantasies? do u actually live in the real world? Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and has also surpassed christianity.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
dear salman
u allways want evidence of things which 4 normal minds is evident in its nature
but anyway pls be kind and visit my channel I have put the the (aljazeera clip which tackles this matter and brings the evidence that u need
allthough I can imagine yr responce
all of this is ofcause propaganda !
wilie123 2 years ago
I have watched this video and i also wonder y those christian priests chose to go to poor Africans who r literally helpless and needy and would do anything to get hold of food and money. Y didnt they target 6 million American Muslims and change them to Christians? Just because they dont need any money or food or there is some other reason? 2ndly, the guy who claimed for those numbers doesnt hold any weight at all because he dint give any statistical evidence backed up by research.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago 2
the muslims were far more successful when they were less of them, spain conquered with less then 7000 muslims for 800 years @wilie123
tompointzero 1 year ago
wilie why send you the answer why cant you open your mouth you feel like brainless sheep loool what a fool
11101ahmed 2 years ago
dear ahmed
can you tell me how old is the oldest quraan and where is it now
given that it is the year 1388 of the islamic calender ( hijra )
wilie123 2 years ago
the oldest quran which is the original one is 1400 years old and in its in turkey
11101ahmed 2 years ago
errr...book full of nonsense and mixed madness?which bible did u refers to?the king james version?Catholic?Protestant?
celakatoi96 2 years ago
brother.. there is no point arguing with this ignorant Kafir since he cudnt bring a single logical argument or evidence to prove his claims.. He is just making statement out of pure ignorance and hence making a fool of himself.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
mr salman it is as if you can bring top actuel evidence of yr childish claims about this death cult which you think is pure science and as fact you recites this old book and you think the world will accept it
my goodness
have you ever talked about yr belief out side yr religious zealots
if anybody listens it is out of pure politness not that anybody is convinced
wilie123 2 years ago
ALHAMDULILLAH, i hv convinced many ppl but those ppl are just adament abt one thing only which is 'thats our religion of forefathers and we cant leave it'' and Mr Willie. again u have not shown any evidence whatsoever of ur claims. R u just being stupid or u r actually one? Yes we do have a death 'cult' for rapers and killers and we r pround to have it coz v love our women unlike u guys who will just give a 'raper' 14 years of sentence n set him free n U feel proud over it t b a modern westerner
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
This Old book has been accepted by many scientists including keith moor who was stunned to see the detailed information provided about embryology in Quran. Furthermore, it tells about the water cycle on earth, moon light doesnt have its own light, earth is in a shape of ostrich egg, big bang theory, separation between salty water n sweet water, skin pain receptors and many more which science discovered few decades ago. How is it possible to have dis information available in a 1400 year old book?
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
this old book is accepted by nobody but those who have been baught by his majisty the king of the oil company the alsauds of arabia and some other zealot
now show me why not one of the renowned universities or scientific institutions accept it as science but as a piece of mystical bullshit prone to scorn and laughter
how can it be possible to be so intelliggent and so naive in the same brain
I know u r smart but when it comes to yr religion suddenly yr hypnotized brain chainges
sides
wilie123 2 years ago
What a load of junk ur talking without reading the Quran and without bringing any scientific evidence to prove ur claims? Y dont u talk like a reasonable man and make sm sense? Just by making assumptions and making false claims wudnt help u win the argument. I mentioned scienctific revelations that r mentioned in the quran 1400 years ago now u prove me those were scientifically wrong or doesnt conform with the modern science and this time bring some scientific evidence alongwith references.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago 2
''how can it be possible to be so intelliggent and so naive in the same brain
I know u r smart but when it comes to yr religion suddenly yr hypnotized brain chainges''
It is the other way around my friend coz so far no one can prove or discover any scientific error in Quran however Dr Zakir Naik mentioned 26 scientific errors in Bible in an open debate with Dr. William Campbell out of which he cudnt even prove a single one wrong. Is this the bible u naively believe in? whose brain is hypnotized?
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
dear mr salman
do me a favor pls don't stamp me out to be a christian or jew or muslim
4 me all of these monoistic or duellistic religions r not enought to quentch my thirst for eagerness to find out what really lays behind the complex grandeur of our nature and cosmos
my religion is the newest findings of real science and reason of today and not of the bronz ages
I attack islam bcs I live under its dreadfull banner and as an ex muslim atheist
pls don't take personal offend
wilie123 2 years ago
If ur not a christian then i wonder y u askd me t watch that video then. Anyway, now u do me a favour and be scientific since u claimd to find 'reasons' of real science. I mentioned that Quran despite being 1400 years old conforms with the modern science perfectly and does not contradict with established facts and gave u several scientific facts mentioned in this Glorious Book that science found few decades ago. It that book was 'obelete' then how it stil managed t conform wid d modern science?
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
salman khan
did you not get the point why I asked you to watch that clip bcs
this was not a tele evangelist who was talking this was aljazeera correspondent talking with the head of the libian head of islamic institution
who was concerned over the religious migration which is taking place
becide the enlightment which is opening the eyes of some muslims like me other religions r as well taking a chunk of this islamic cake so conversion is not a one way street
wilie123 2 years ago 2
Its not the enlightment ur getting but the darkness of pure ignorance u got urslef into. Lack of knowledge clearly raised doubts in ur mind. Y did u avoid talking about Quran conforming with the modern science? That is a big and logical evidence to prove that it is a word of God ALLAH.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
the oldest preserved quraan is 1000 years old
which is in the museum of damaskus
where as ussman gathered the shreds of verses 23 years after the death of mohammad
what happened to quraan in this 380 years
today quraan experts out side islam have accepte it as a fact that quraan evolved in this 400 years the german scholar gerd puin has the copies of the saanna shreds
there r many discrpancies between the quraan that u have and those one which is dated 200 years earlyer
wilie123 2 years ago
''what happened to quraan in this 380 years
today quraan experts out side islam have accepte it as a fact that quraan evolved in this 400 years''
Give me some references and the fabricartions or evolution that they have claimed to have been made in the Quran. Just by claiming doesnt hold any weight. I need references. Enough of u talking and claiming like a kid. Behave like an educated person and provide some proofs.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
Enough of u talking and claiming like a kid.
hoho cool down man
we are in a controversial dialogue and not death and life war
why do u tend to insult and attack me personly
u r not my enemy I don't hate u I just don't respect yr idiology and religion is this a fact that the oldest quraan is 1000 years old or is it a lie
do you know when the quraan got its numerical orders
how informed r u aboutthe history of yr book
wilie123 2 years ago
again no references just talking.. man m fedup of this illogical argument with u.. dont worry i dont take u as my enemy but all i want is proper argument!!
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
how can you talk about science and scientific facts when u r not able to see the fact of evolution through natural selection
how can you be a master or dr of philosophy when you deny that all spieces r related to it each
even vatican has accept it
if zakir naik this petty demagogue who out side illiterate muslim circles no body else takes seriously -is yr teacher then good night to education
wilie123 2 years ago
There are plenty of nobel prize scientists who dont believe in darwins' theory and argues that they have missing links. This system of theory is continuously evolving and cannot be relied upon until it becomes an established fact and u shud be wise enough to understand that if u claim to be science oriented. Now prove to me other scientific facts that r mentioned in the Quran to be wrong and against the modern science. Its an open challenge to u.
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
like others u seem to have only read someone else`s opinion of the Quran and not the Quran itself. You talk about natural selection, there are tons of verses in the Quran that talk about it. insects, mammals, aves, embryos, astronomy, race, etc. Islam is a complete code that covers every aspect of life, frm hygiene, sleeping, eating, walking, talking, business, frndship, neighbourhood, how to protect/defend urself, rules of engagement, etc. U dont know anything. stop claiming ok?
livagudlyf 2 years ago
u lack the stomach for the realities of what life n the true human nature is. who are the biggest mass murderers, the west kills more civilians in a day than any dictator or warlord.
All under the name of democracy and human rights. they lock up n torture ppl for 6 yrs plus with no trial. a non muslim in a muslim community is entitled to full rights and protection under islam. spainish jews can testify to that for 800yrs under islam. we all knw how the spanish inquisition went afterwards.
livagudlyf 2 years ago
mr liva gud lyf salaam
I am not defending west or america
I am talking about the dogmas and superstitions of islam christianity and jewdism
these 3 religions are bringing our civilisation to the brink of total destruction
trying to give it any kind of scietific character is madness
their internal division in 100 of sub religions gives us the hope that all 3 of them will one day be in the dust bin of history
wasalaam
wilie123 2 years ago
ok i get where u r coming from. sadly my knowledge of other religions is not so great. i can speak for islam.
unlike the popular belief that religion and science do not mix, Islam encourages science, not labelling it as evil.
there is a book that gives quote by quote scientific facts and phenomena from the Quran, will get u the name. But there are practical ethics for science right? same in Islam. Most of early mathematicians, doctors and philosophers were muslims. u dont hear that in school.
livagudlyf 2 years ago
dear liva
when muslims say there is no contradiction between islam and science
they forget that the official dogma of creation of man by allah from mud and women from the left ribb of man is so far from science that nothing can be so far away from reality like such a suposition
there is nothing commen between religion and science
bcs science is the worst enemy of religious dogmas
wilie123 2 years ago
of course there are contradictions.
and there will always be, even among scientist.
One theory does ultimately discredit the other.
Do you really blv that u were once a fish? then a frog..... and on? reminds me of an episode in southpark. lol. what next in the stage of evolution, are we going to grow wings? why havent sharks and other beings not physically evolved for millions of yrs? science is still young and has a lot to learn.
NB: think about the concept of witch craft and voodoo.
livagudlyf 2 years ago
dear liva
I don't believe, science (biology ) has proved that life originated from oceans and fish and frogs are the chain of the life from oceans to land
we have certainly evolved(in millions of years ) from them to us against whitch kraft and voodoo or hindu belief you are imune or let us say a disbeliever (atheist)
my disbelief just goes one step(prophate) further
wilie123 2 years ago
If u want me to bring those 26 scientific errors mentioned in bible please do ask me and i'll be happy to do that(with references) n m 200% sure u wud get nowhere after that coz even ur so called scholar Dr. William campbell surrendered and said 'Dr. Zakir naik has brought some real problems for me. I dont have any good answers for them' He totally and badly lost it and cudnt prove a single error wrong. U need to be smart enough to understand that now. u can watch that debate on youtube as well
salmankhalidch 2 years ago
it seems deedat can't distinguish between the need to draw characters for a story and the author of that story himself. He also feels the need to exploit the audience (knowing fullwell that that the majority of the audience is muslim and therefore will feel uncomfortable approaching the book itself because it's taboo) taking quotes from dialogue of characters, which in no way reflect the opinion of the writer himself.
koeilewis 2 years ago
quite the cunt to take all of the quotes out of context.
Krambury 2 years ago
ur quite the cunt to say that, evidently u havnt read the book.
psychosid15 2 years ago 4
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But I have read the book :)
Never once does Rushdie say any of that; it's his characters. This speaker has a problem with freedom of speech.
Krambury 2 years ago
this guy threwq my prophets name in this u agree with that how about i write a book where my characters call ur mother hoe and sister trailler trash how u feel about that its not my opinion by my charater say this not me my character u so full of shit
Mogunz21 2 years ago
I suspect English is not your first language. Neither is reason or freedom.
The principle of Freedom of Speech is far more important than any offence you may take. Living in a free world means that your prophet may not be considered in the same ignorant light you shine, but hey, that's the price you pay for living in an enlightened society.
Do you even know that the 'insult' to your prophet Rushdie wrote is?
Krambury 2 years ago
talk ur shit from behind a user name bet u cant get brave in person lil fagget
Mogunz21 2 years ago
That's the best you can do. Threaten me.
I'll ask again - Do you even know what the 'insult' to your prophet is?
Krambury 2 years ago
something about having satan inspire certain verses in the quran i love how ppl enjoy examning my religon from a bias perspective am done wit u man if u want the truth find it but do go around disrespecting ppl
Mogunz21 2 years ago
Doesnt sound like the first time Deedat has used these words...
CMO5569 2 years ago
oops sorry for triple posting, had some connection problem,
carvak 3 years ago
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sexyzarina, I am not a zionist. I support freedom of expression, i would have against any ban even if what Deedat claimed were facts. But here I have not gone onto that matter. I simply pointed out how Deedat picking up sentences out of context tried to manipulate people. If you wish i can send you an ebook to check against my comments. Anyway thanks for your comments.
carvak 3 years ago
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sexyzarina, I am not a zionist. I support freedom of expression, i would have against any ban even if what Deedat claimed were facts. But here I have not gone onto that matter. I simply pointed out how Deedat picking up sentences out of context tried to manipulate people. If you wish i can send you an ebook to check against my comments. Anyway thanks for your comments.
carvak 3 years ago
sexyzarina, I am not a zionist. I support freedom of expression, i would have against any ban even if what Deedat claimed were facts. But here I have not gone onto that matter. I simply pointed out how Deedat picking up sentences out of context tried to manipulate people. If you wish i can send you an ebook to check against my comments. Anyway thanks for your comments.
carvak 3 years ago
carvak are u slaman rushdie lool listen man slaman rushdie got famous only cuz he used to be a muslim who worte stupid shit i know khomayni was dumb to deal with him however rushdie is a filthy writer
bobyloopo 3 years ago
Perhaps u heard of Rushdie only after publication of 'Satanic Verses',but he was already famous for the book 'Midnights children' and it own 'Booker prize', 'Best of Bookers in 25 yrs' ,'Best of Bookers in 40 yrs' and considered to be one of the greatest novel of the 20th century.That book has nothing to do with 'stupid shit about islam' and the muslimcommunity is responsible for making the fuss over 'satanic verses',so the 'fame' of 'satanic verses' almost entirely goes to fanatics like you
carvak 3 years ago
Wat hav u been watchin carvak, if u dont believe Sheikh Deedat den go READ DA BLOODY BOOK UR SELF! damnnnnn! common sense nowadayz, wer do people loose it????
rudebwoy786 3 years ago
i have read the book and thats why i know how Deedat picked lines out of context. and i know either he lied that he read the book or delibaretly tried to deceive.
carvak 3 years ago
i posted a comment on this video, where i have refuted every comment made by Deedat very specificaly, i mean in a specific page in which context certain comment has been made, i even made quotes from the book. But strangely i cant find it now, someone has removed it. anyway i would post it again some later time. btw "Sheikh Ahmed Deedat-How Rushdie Fooled the West?(3/14)" in this video therer is still a similar post, if you wish you may read it.
carvak 3 years ago
what has belief got to do with it, deedat is not giving any convincing arguments, and the arguments he is giving are based on misrepresentaion of the text and the author.
koeilewis 2 years ago
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...a bigot analysing a master piece!!!
carvak 3 years ago
And an idiot praising it :)
RachZi 3 years ago
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HOW DEEDAT FOOLED HIMSELF:
1)PAGE-1,"..Those bastards down ..."..Its not a direct qutation,itsmade by 'Gibreel Fasrishta',a protagonist.its to express that charachters disgust for English culture.
2)Its worthless to comment on Deedats literary sense,still just let me mention here that the use of nativewords in English language is a style to give a flavour of 'Indian way of speaking' and Rushdie was not the first one to do that,nobel laureate Naipul and many others employed that technique.
carvak 3 years ago
It was actually Midnight's Children that won the Man Booker Prize, not Satanic verses.
bawlbaygs 3 years ago
Truly found in the Quran huh...Prove it than if you have even read the Quran..Which verses would that be huh, power54666,
provide your evidence or shut that filthy hole you call a mouth
robbyrobbz 3 years ago 2
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I watched all 14 video's of "Sheikh Ahmed Deedat-How Rushdie Fooled the West?" Deedat was going left & right not knowing what to answer .I guess he has no answer because the "Satanic Verses" are truly found in the koran!
power54041 3 years ago
What?
JulkerNSidd786 3 years ago
Truly found in the Quran huh...Prove it than if you have even read the Quran..Which verses would that be huh, power54666,
provide your evidence or shut that filthy hole you call a mouth
robbyrobbz 3 years ago 3
You obviously had no answer after a blanket statement.
Satanic Verses is a poorly written book but very vulgar and completely not acceptable to us muslims.
ALANSARALHAQ 3 years ago 3
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I watched all 14 video's of "Sheikh Ahmed Deedat-How Rushdie Fooled the West?" Deedat was going left & right not knowing what to answer .I guess he has no answer because the "Satanic Verses" are truly found in the koran!
power54041 3 years ago
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want to be a Muslim but to go to heaven I have to kill infidels to get good sex, Koran teaches that? Why when I can visit the brothel and have sex with hookers? And while I am at it pick up pressed grape juice! (Non alcoholic wine as assured by Allah) All above treats I can get from Wal-Mart, my local superstore or the brothel! Why should I convert when my wife gives me good sex and I don't want fresh virgins as I am faithful! I want to be a Muslim but what can you give me besides sex?
solosinger67 3 years ago
No friend quran does not teach that (Kill Infidel) i dont know where you are getting all these misconceptions??? taking verses out of context can create many misconceptions for instance please watch this short video "watch?v=o-S-Emg7nmI" and u will get how media is misguiding non-muslims. You seems to be good at your faith take care may God bless you
naiyyer 3 years ago
lool i love when ahmed deedat giggles, lool
Ruellian 3 years ago
fucker rushdeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
saadrupert 3 years ago 4
Chootias, shits!!!
hahaha..
wtf man....
rushdie u dumb shit..
bveou 3 years ago 3
I like the way this sheikh genuinely seems to refer to jews as brothers!
muslims and jews are brothers and we should stop fighting eacother and live in peace! im gaining more respect for this scholars view as the lecture continues
britishboy2 3 years ago 4
In a way jews, muslims and christians are all brothers. Were closer to each other than other people.
We are people of the book
zegita 3 years ago 5
this rushdie is a Low life Scum!
IEDPKAK47 4 years ago 5
Fuck Rushdie he will burn in hell inshallah,i hope he dies a horrafic death and wen he is dieying i like 2 b der so i can look at him and spit on hes eyeball.
SaiedMilano 4 years ago 8
ok, how does religion stop that???? if we look back, religion was spread through freedom of speech.. if the Kings and Queens didn't allow it (the preaching) religion would never have spread. anyway, religion is the most important "thing" or belief in any person's live.. no arguement there...
whydidyoudothat 4 years ago
Who cares what this guy says in this book. You muslims are too brainless to use brains over brawns
cheapshot1234 4 years ago
If Muslims were brainless, you wouldnt exist today.
nahyank 4 years ago
certainly if i wrote a book with cheap claims about ur mother(having incest with U) would u be all too happy me getting all top notch "book awards". if u have even the slightest respect for ur mother i think i got ur answer.
goingat100 4 years ago
Excuse me... this is a novel. And what Mr. deedat does as usual is that he does not mention the whole reference. If you check those portions, they are clearly text that is quoting someone else.
There are thousands of books and novels with similar profanity.
Brains... brains.
And what was that? If Muslims were brainless, I wouldn't exist today?
That's another brainles statement. Can you prove it?
cheapshot1234 4 years ago
yes i do know that these words come out from Rush-Die's characters, but mate u missed the point by a mile-answer my question, u kool if i write profanity about ur mum???
goingat100 4 years ago
my dear goinggat100,
Atleast you admitted that Rushdie is quoting charecters. So that means the only issue is that one of rushdies charecters in his NOVEL speaks profanity about my mum??? That's the only thing that led you guys to declare fatwas, burn shops, cars, wreck lives???
Just for the record, I do not care two hoots what you write about my mother, father blah blah blah. I know as well as any sane human being that whatever you write in your novel is not going to change a thing.
cheapshot1234 4 years ago
Violence based on a novel. What a wonderful example of what Islam teaches (some say peace, some say submission... I think Islam means submission without peaceful means).
A good majority of the world uses their brains over brawns. A little look at the relationship between the Israilies and Arabs is a suitable example.
cheapshot1234 4 years ago
cheapshot1234, I am surely thinking you are brainless
sobase 4 years ago
sobase, if you have any points to refute the points I have pointed, then please do. If you don't and keep making statements such as these without anything to substiate your claims, then it only proves my point. So you can think whatever you want and that won't change a thing.
Anyway, you said you are "thinking". That is a good sign.
cheapshot1234 4 years ago
cheapshot1234, this reply confirming that you are brainless. Idiot is even better. Review again all your responses, if u really have brain then you'll find out what I mean.
sobase 4 years ago
oops, sobase, where's the refutation to my points??? No refutation??? Once again, your ambigous statements which have nothing to substantiate the claim that "If Muslims were brainless, I wouldn't exist today?"
I guess you just reach the end of the line. It's okay to admit that you made a mistake once. Isn't it the islamic thing to do?? oh yeah, I forgot, you blame the jews and everyone else for all your problems.
cheapshot1234 4 years ago
Hi..hi..hi..., so brainless answer..I told you to review again your comment. I did not comment anything about those things you said.
sobase 4 years ago
>>I did not comment anything about those things you said.
Yes, we all can see that you have nothing to comment on me asking you to substantiate your statements as there is no proof or any shred of evidence that neither you nor anyone can bring forth.
Atleast that is a good admission and I must congragulate you for admitting that you there is absolutely no truth in your statement. It's a good way to start. May you continue in this manner.
Have a nice day.
cheapshot1234 4 years ago
Cheapshot1234, don't bother to reply me..I've known the quality of your brain from statements. My suggestion is do speak to yourself more...and not to bull shit a lot...there are many smart people out there who can judge things are stupid or not...
sobase 4 years ago
I've asked a very simple thing: simply to substantiate what you wrote. And you cannot do that. And everyone know what it means when someone cannot substantiate what he says..
cheapshot1234 4 years ago
Everyone blames the JEwS...why do you think the Jews wandered in the desert for 40 years?,..is it bec God loved them?
nahyank 3 years ago
cheapshot you are a bigot, read islamic history and read about islamic science, i think you will be suprised.
sboubalouta 4 years ago
I've know a good share of Islamic history. I was in Saudi Arabia for 18 years.
You said that if muslims were brainless, I wouldn't exist today. Can you please explain and prove this. Unless you don't, it will prove exactly what I was saying.
By the way, you are a muslim right? Then I perfectly understand why you give such replies.
You are forgiven.
cheapshot1234 4 years ago
for crying out loud , why doesn't deedat tell us what they mean? Could it be becuase they aren't as bad as he is trying to make them out?
mehandas 4 years ago
pls define your freedom of speech.
whydidyoudothat 4 years ago
FOOLS LOVE TO READ FILTH! QUEENS WEAR THE CROWN OF QUEEN-OF-FOOLS!- lol
I appreciate the bravery of Muslims. Let's face rushdie-THE LEADERS OF FOOLS!
Allah says THIS WORLD IS FOOL"S PARADISE!
So people who want to enjoy IMMORAL FREEDOM and criticise MORAL LAWS are no more but FOOLS!
They are laughing at others , while they will weep over themselves one day!
Allaho Akbar!
DEENisJUSTICE 4 years ago
how, bloody stupid is the queen absoloutly insulted by satanic sultan but is still given the knighthood!
what a joke.lol
rorymarshall1 4 years ago 2
Tell me about it!
ValPachino 4 years ago
"And be not grieved by the sayings of those [who deny the truth]. Behold, all might and glory belong to God alone: He alone is all-hearing, all-knowing." (10:65). Roshdi (and his likes) is nothing but a lowlife and he is being used. He will only wake up in his grave!
AlBayyinah 4 years ago
wisdom4all5000 another proof of how islam tries to manipulate their historical facts !
subject rushdie writing about censored koran and just see how they avoid this point and start to tell their made up stories to counter just the fact that islam is no religion but a political vicious tool.
1HEXJUMPER 4 years ago
This guy (the mullah)may or may not hate Rushdie but he sure hates everything Indian. Look how he raves about hindi, indian, gutters of bombay!
rsridhar 4 years ago
rsridhar,mr deedat was quoting the book written by salman rushdie,i hope u understand english.
wisdom4all5000 4 years ago
There was a couple of little jabs at the Christians in there as well.
freedomLeaver 4 years ago
So in Rushdie's novel he claims he sleepet with the queen, slags off Thatcher, and Londoners are bastards. So we should want to kill him as well? Has this man stopped for a second to even consider what people we would be if we would even consider it right to kill someone for offending us.
freedomLeaver 4 years ago
freedomLeaver,u idiot if u doesnt feel bad some one slanders ur mother sister,it could b good for u , but majority of people dont feel like u bcoz they would never tolerate this type of rubbish behaviour.
wisdom4all5000 4 years ago