"Rowan and Martin's Laugh In" was edited using a black and white kinescope and then the color video tape was configured to the edited kinescope using the method on this video.
trabalhei com as quadruplex rca,ampex,durante 17 anos pela tv tupi !como é bom recordar estes videos fiz muita montagens de pgms e novelas valeu a recordação parabens.Jorjão........TR1 TR4 TR 5 TR60 TR 70 AMPEX 1000 1200 BCN 50 20.........
I never edited 2". But I did edit Super 8 and also 16 mm film -- cement splices and tape splices. Ah, the memories. When I started transferring film to 3/4" U-Matic, and editing on 3/4" with an editing controller -- wow, I thought I was really being very high -tech!
People in the past 5-10 years are so spoiled. It really is one of the neatest things about life- that we perfected the analog first, you know the physical. Like tubes, tape, strings, transistors etc. Could you imagine a world where digital electronics was pioneered first? It's something to ponder. Personally I like audio tape, splicing, looping and hands on editing. Well, maybe I can say now that I used to like it. After a long stint with computer editing I tried going back for fun. Ugh! It sux!
I can't believe they actually physically spliced videotape. Didn't that cause a sync break?
I started editing in the mid 1980s using those big-honking 3/4" U-Matic machines and VHS editors. I use to scream when an edit came out glitched because of bad sync or a faulty editor. Now I use Avid Media Composer. Talk about a quantum-leap in media manipulation.
I also used to splice audio reel-to-reel tapes while working in radio - razor blades, grease pencil, splicing tape & splicing blocks!
No, sync isn't lost. That's the reason for finding the edit mark with the microscope. The machine that records the edit mark makes sure it falls between frames.
I used to work at Many Facilities in NYC all on 2", all AMPEX equipment. I have learned the art of physcial editing when I was a kid. In my later years I was always called on to splice tapes when a camera master would break. I remember being in this one post production facility with 24 2" machines and the splicer was in the corner with my name on it :)
Este tipo de VT usamos em POA-RS-BR na década de 80 na extinta TV Guaíba de Porto Alegre. Agora estudo este tipo de suporte na Arquivologia da UFRGS. Posso usar o vídeo em trabalho da Universidade?
To show you how people tend to hold on to things (old technology) tape was new at the time so no one really knew about tape hence 'cutting' it like film. When helix recording came into play you did not have to cut the tape....LOL....we learned alot since then...lol
This explains why YouTube videos aren't done on 2-inch video tape! (tee hee). VERY interesting video. Boy, do I appreciate Windows Movie Maker now! Thanks for the video!
Windows Movie Maker is an eyesore compared to other editors. I'd rather edit via Quad then ever use Windows Movie Maker; but instead I edit on Final Cut Pro 6 but would like to learn the Avid as well.
iMovie 06 and prior are superior to anything WMM could ever be in it's current state, even iMovie 08' and 09' are superior. I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks WMM is great really doesn't know what their talking about. I've also used Premiere and Premiere Pro. It took Adobe a lot of money and time to get that editor right..and that was only recently. Final cut was actually a response to how bad Premiere was (and was written by the same programmers.)
To each his own. There is no reason to insult me because I prefer to use WMM over iMovie. I agree, it is not the best thing out there, but I prefer it to iMovie for my needs.
After seeing the tedious process of physically splicing open reels of 2inch video tape, I have a newfound appreciation for computer-controlled disk based nonlinear editing. The old way would have simply killed my patience and creativity after only the first cut! Editors back then must've been the chillest individuals in the production pipeline.
Boy-howdy... a few hours alone with a Sony RM-450 is why I went into video editing in the first place. After school, I used a BVE-600 for about 4 years and then eventually switched to non-linear with Premier 4.2. BTW, I have a $1700 composite video capture card for sale if anyone wants it... Yeah, right!
Using these methods, I doubt anyone would have ever considered "editing" a scene of the complexity we think of today. I think they are just talking about assembling complete scenes onto a finished tape for broadcast. Its a reel suprise for me to see this. I was unaware anyone ever edited video tape by splicing!!!
The areas shown in that video became VT 9 & 10 in Television Centre basement. I worked in those rooms during the late 1980's - they were often used for Grandstand and Sportsnight rapid turn - around editing. Sadly all gone and part of history now.
'The Six' the guys who made the Quadruplex VTR a reality...Charles Ginsburg, Charlie Anderson, Fred Pfost, Shelby Henderson, Alex Maxey, and last but not least Ray Dolby. Thanks to them for transforming the way video was recorded, from kine to tape. (humor here)Thus assuring the 'couch potato' of an endless supply of sitcoms.
I read somewhere that if a bad mechanical edit was done, that it could severely damage the heads and cause quite a mess. And I also know that if there was even a slight drop in power to the VTR room, things could get out of hand.
I worked on quad machines namely VR1100s and TR70s. The recording heads were very delicate. When the tape would rewind, with the military grade reel motors, the tape would gain quite a bit of speed (and make a phasor-on-overload increasing-pitch whine. If you forgot to slow it down before the rewind was complete, the tape would rip the heads of and replacing them cost $3000 (in 1980)
A VTR start-up sounds like a phasor on stun..I saw a cool video where they were setting up a TR-70 with a spot reel for a news broadcast. It's the 'WBZ Eyewitness News 1970' video here on YouTube.
Quadruplex, RIP. Gawd I wish I could have worked at a TV station, in a 70's era VTR room. I got into video in high school where they used those huge U-Matic videocassette machines. I'm familiar with Portapaks too.
Didn't they have timecode at that point?
coltrainification 6 months ago
How laborious!
catholicpriest1 7 months ago
Windows Movie Maker????!!
RellikHD 9 months ago
"Rowan and Martin's Laugh In" was edited using a black and white kinescope and then the color video tape was configured to the edited kinescope using the method on this video.
catholicpriest1 11 months ago
trabalhei com as quadruplex rca,ampex,durante 17 anos pela tv tupi !como é bom recordar estes videos fiz muita montagens de pgms e novelas valeu a recordação parabens.Jorjão........TR1 TR4 TR 5 TR60 TR 70 AMPEX 1000 1200 BCN 50 20.........
jorjaohenriques1 1 year ago
Just google for Aries-Films and download over 300 tools for video and audiot editing for PC and MAC.. its like goldmine for videoeditors
freeeeeemusic 1 year ago
When I hear people complaining about final cut pro I play them this....
kids these days eh?
Clickastley 1 year ago 12
I never edited 2". But I did edit Super 8 and also 16 mm film -- cement splices and tape splices. Ah, the memories. When I started transferring film to 3/4" U-Matic, and editing on 3/4" with an editing controller -- wow, I thought I was really being very high -tech!
chrisman737 1 year ago
People in the past 5-10 years are so spoiled. It really is one of the neatest things about life- that we perfected the analog first, you know the physical. Like tubes, tape, strings, transistors etc. Could you imagine a world where digital electronics was pioneered first? It's something to ponder. Personally I like audio tape, splicing, looping and hands on editing. Well, maybe I can say now that I used to like it. After a long stint with computer editing I tried going back for fun. Ugh! It sux!
paulj0557 2 years ago
I can't believe they actually physically spliced videotape. Didn't that cause a sync break?
I started editing in the mid 1980s using those big-honking 3/4" U-Matic machines and VHS editors. I use to scream when an edit came out glitched because of bad sync or a faulty editor. Now I use Avid Media Composer. Talk about a quantum-leap in media manipulation.
I also used to splice audio reel-to-reel tapes while working in radio - razor blades, grease pencil, splicing tape & splicing blocks!
volvo1971 2 years ago
No, sync isn't lost. That's the reason for finding the edit mark with the microscope. The machine that records the edit mark makes sure it falls between frames.
matt9741399 2 years ago
I used to work at Many Facilities in NYC all on 2", all AMPEX equipment. I have learned the art of physcial editing when I was a kid. In my later years I was always called on to splice tapes when a camera master would break. I remember being in this one post production facility with 24 2" machines and the splicer was in the corner with my name on it :)
WabdRTY 2 years ago
I don't go for enough back to have done, this, but we used these machines for commercial playback even in the 1980's!
veditanimal 3 years ago
what year was this recording made?
thisisnz 3 years ago
this is so cool, but digital editing saves all this hastle.
t0nito 3 years ago
I meant hassle...
t0nito 3 years ago
Fantastic
figamarsa 3 years ago
Este tipo de VT usamos em POA-RS-BR na década de 80 na extinta TV Guaíba de Porto Alegre. Agora estudo este tipo de suporte na Arquivologia da UFRGS. Posso usar o vídeo em trabalho da Universidade?
Obrigado.
imagensemmovimento 3 years ago
To show you how people tend to hold on to things (old technology) tape was new at the time so no one really knew about tape hence 'cutting' it like film. When helix recording came into play you did not have to cut the tape....LOL....we learned alot since then...lol
AnimePlanet7 3 years ago
This explains why YouTube videos aren't done on 2-inch video tape! (tee hee). VERY interesting video. Boy, do I appreciate Windows Movie Maker now! Thanks for the video!
clydesight 3 years ago
Windows Movie Maker is an eyesore compared to other editors. I'd rather edit via Quad then ever use Windows Movie Maker; but instead I edit on Final Cut Pro 6 but would like to learn the Avid as well.
jonspotz 2 years ago
Yes, but WMM is free, and those of us with no budget need it. I like it much better than iMovie. If I had the money, I'd use Adobe Premier.
clydesight 2 years ago
iMovie 06 and prior are superior to anything WMM could ever be in it's current state, even iMovie 08' and 09' are superior. I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks WMM is great really doesn't know what their talking about. I've also used Premiere and Premiere Pro. It took Adobe a lot of money and time to get that editor right..and that was only recently. Final cut was actually a response to how bad Premiere was (and was written by the same programmers.)
jonspotz 2 years ago
To each his own. There is no reason to insult me because I prefer to use WMM over iMovie. I agree, it is not the best thing out there, but I prefer it to iMovie for my needs.
clydesight 2 years ago
You don't know bad until you use Windows Live Movie Maker. All the good features of previous WMM versions are gone, and only the bad remain.
The output quality is horrible even after publishing, with long pauses in between clips.
Given your comment on newer iMovie releases, I guess low-end digital video editors are getting worse and worse, while they cost more and more.
If only I knew how to install and use Cinerella or the like.
dashwarts 2 years ago
VERY neat to watch!
CassetteMaster 3 years ago
After seeing the tedious process of physically splicing open reels of 2inch video tape, I have a newfound appreciation for computer-controlled disk based nonlinear editing. The old way would have simply killed my patience and creativity after only the first cut! Editors back then must've been the chillest individuals in the production pipeline.
henrydtuason 3 years ago
Appreciation for nonlinear editing, oh yes. But Geez! This video makes me appreciate the SONY RM-450 controller!
beatlequigon 3 years ago 4
Boy-howdy... a few hours alone with a Sony RM-450 is why I went into video editing in the first place. After school, I used a BVE-600 for about 4 years and then eventually switched to non-linear with Premier 4.2. BTW, I have a $1700 composite video capture card for sale if anyone wants it... Yeah, right!
Robert08010 3 years ago
totaly agree
jimmyass 3 years ago
Using these methods, I doubt anyone would have ever considered "editing" a scene of the complexity we think of today. I think they are just talking about assembling complete scenes onto a finished tape for broadcast. Its a reel suprise for me to see this. I was unaware anyone ever edited video tape by splicing!!!
Robert08010 3 years ago
The areas shown in that video became VT 9 & 10 in Television Centre basement. I worked in those rooms during the late 1980's - they were often used for Grandstand and Sportsnight rapid turn - around editing. Sadly all gone and part of history now.
lodgesound 3 years ago
'The Six' the guys who made the Quadruplex VTR a reality...Charles Ginsburg, Charlie Anderson, Fred Pfost, Shelby Henderson, Alex Maxey, and last but not least Ray Dolby. Thanks to them for transforming the way video was recorded, from kine to tape. (humor here)Thus assuring the 'couch potato' of an endless supply of sitcoms.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
Actually I think Charlie Anderson works at KNPB Reno NV now.
wrtlpfmpf 3 years ago
They actually sliced tapes like this?! I never knew that!
VideoJunkei 4 years ago
I spent six years splicing 16 mm microfilm together so I can relate (although I didn't need a microscope!)
fixman88 4 years ago
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I used one of these and I accidentally circumsized my self! MY BAD!
capnquirky 4 years ago
I wonder if it's weird that I've never worked in a TV station, yet I find VTR's interesting?
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
I read somewhere that if a bad mechanical edit was done, that it could severely damage the heads and cause quite a mess. And I also know that if there was even a slight drop in power to the VTR room, things could get out of hand.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
I worked on quad machines namely VR1100s and TR70s. The recording heads were very delicate. When the tape would rewind, with the military grade reel motors, the tape would gain quite a bit of speed (and make a phasor-on-overload increasing-pitch whine. If you forgot to slow it down before the rewind was complete, the tape would rip the heads of and replacing them cost $3000 (in 1980)
gcreedle 4 years ago
A VTR start-up sounds like a phasor on stun..I saw a cool video where they were setting up a TR-70 with a spot reel for a news broadcast. It's the 'WBZ Eyewitness News 1970' video here on YouTube.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
The splicer is actually called a Smith splicer. This was eventually replaced by electronic editing via SMPTE time code and Editec for quads.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
20 second pre-roll! Wow, and I used to think 5 seconds was too long. It's amazing they ever got a show on the air. Great Video!
joeblowvideo 4 years ago
wow, talk about old school.
I never knew the "preview" used to be "rehearsal"
oldvokko 4 years ago
Quadruplex, RIP. Gawd I wish I could have worked at a TV station, in a 70's era VTR room. I got into video in high school where they used those huge U-Matic videocassette machines. I'm familiar with Portapaks too.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
Me too! Remember the old U-matic edit controllers?
roon41 2 years ago
Sony RM-440 (most of us). Sony RM-400 (for the hard core ones who remember top-loaders)
mistertentpole 2 years ago
Oh my God, they use a guillotine !
That's why we use Avid nowadays ;-)
Great footage!! Thnks 4 uploading.
deedzremix 4 years ago
It's really cool to see how those edits were made. Thank you for uploading this clip.
jemof 4 years ago
Cool vintage stuff!
aldiakaroofus 5 years ago
God the old days of linear editing!
ProductionX 5 years ago