Queen Mary gets an unnecessarily bad rap. Not that I condone her actions but Henry and even Elizabeth killed way more people than Mary did. I get they were on the throne longer but even if you divide the number of people Henry and Elizabeth killed by year, they still killed more than Mary. I guess it's because Mary wanted England Catholic again. But Henry really put Mary through the ringer. She spent her whole life trying to regain everything she was initially groomed to be to no avail.
Many historians think that Mary actually is the daughter of henry dead older brother since Catherine was his wife also Mary's reign was very cruel giving her the name bloody mary
@justinandbritneyJLA She *was* Queen, from 1553 to 1558, and earned herself the epithet "Bloody Mary" for burning over 300 people at the stake for heresy. Her Spanish husband disliked her and most of England disliked him. She also came with a hair's breadth of sanctioning the execution of her half-sister, Elizabeth, which would have deprived us of one of our greatest monarchs. Not an altogether brilliant five years for England!!
Like Anne of Cleves' character. Its hard to believe she found him disgusting, the boil that had to be lanced, etc. Having Henry really appear as he did would increase the tension. I think this just goes to show how the producers of this show didn't care so much and shows their vanity in keeping all the actors looking beautiful.
One of the things I dislike so much about this series is, although I can understand changing historical fact to heighten drama of a scene, why did the not show Henry as he really appeared by this time. A very obese man. :( Having the king look as he did really takes away from him as a historical figure and also changes the meaning in the way the characters relate to one another.
But Mary was the eldest and Anne's marriage to henry was declared null and void like KofA's. With both of them bastards and both of them crowned, the eldest surely takes priority.
@DramaInPajamas I am well aware of that. But I know that Chapuys hates Elizabeth. Maybe not on the show, because their characters don't have any interaction, but that same way that are people at court who wanted Mary to become queen to restore the country to Catholicism, there were others who preferred Elizabeth. After Edward died, of course.
I really love the way Sarah Bolger portrayed Mary Tudor, and I think not only would she play a good Mary, Queen of Scots -- but she does resemble the young Mary Stuart as well.
So since Queen Jane was never crowned, and if Katherine had deliver a son and be crowned, Katherine's son would be first in line or would be Prince Edward?
@MultiMissLucy No. Edward is the oldest son, and so he would succeed first. Even if Jane was not crowned Queen formally, she was still Queen and wife to Henry. If Katherine bore any sons, then they wold follow Edward in the succession. If she had no sons (as history tells us), then Edward would succeed. If Edward bore no sons, then the crown would pass to Mary, and then Elizabeth if Mary had no sons. Does this help?
@MultiMissLucy Queen Jane Seymour died before her coronation, which makes her Queen Consort to King Henry VIII. If Katherine is crowned Queen, her son would be first in line for the throne, then Prince Edward, Lady Mary, and Lady Elizabeth.
i thing mary has done it well in her reign as queen of england ireland and france. The protestants destroyed her life her mother her existence as a true princess so in her reign she burned heretics. She took revenge of them .
mary would be a wounderfuld queen if had not been existed religious disputes. was a very focused woman, wise, simple and loved his people...not walking with frivolity.
@PrincessKarrah I just hope that she had someone who was a good figure in her life. Henry and Anne were monsters to her, though Henry blamed Anne for a lot of things he did.
@MuatioAesa It didn't. The show simplified it. Really, the reason why Edward's legitimacy was in question was because Henry and Jane's marriage was not sanctioned by the Pope. To some, they weren't really married.
This is true, so long as the marriage took place before his birth and even his conception. Elizabeth had by far the weakest claim to the throne: Catherine was still alive when Anne married Henry, not to mention that Elizabeth was conceived out of wedlock. In the case of Edward, both of Jane's predecessors were dead, and even though the marriage was not performed under papal authority, Jane still considered herself a staunch Catholic, unlike Anne.
True. Henry would not proclaim Jane as Queen until she had given him a surviving son. She did this, but died only twelve days later. After the death of Jane, I believe Henry grew apathetic with regard to his marriages. He certainly had every intention of getting rid of Anne of Cleves as soon as possible, and as for Catherine Howard and Catherine Parr, by that time, marriage had just become a meaningless rite of passage to Henry.
@63blessed You got a point there, I don't know what her mother Katherine of Aragon would've felt about the ruler she would become, perhaps shocked and ashamed.
Chapuys is my favorite character after Cromwell. I think he should be in the opening credits. They put the French ambassador in there and he has only been in the 1st episode. Chapuys has been in this series from season 1. And much of what we know about Henry VIII reign from 1530-1545 is from his letters.
@ProfessorSSJ And he was a great adviser to her, since he and Catherine of Aragon were friends!!, it is very sad, because we she became Queen, England was already messed up!!, I can honestly say she tried her hardest, but again she had a hard life and once "Chapuys" died there was no one she could trust I believe!!
Yes thank you for posting this, I must say people are so hating on Mary, but let me just say this, Mary Tudor had a very hard and sad life, her father was horrible to her, her stepmothers came on gone, her mother died!!!, and was not reconized as Queen!!, and all of this, one would see that she did become a little crazy and skitsh, you got so many nobles wanting her out of the picture, I love Mary, and I think she is one of the misunderstood Tudors in History.
@Hattaru i agree with everything u said. ppl put anne b and elizabeth up on a pedstal. idon't get me wrong i loved anne and henry on this show but what henry did to katherine was so wrong. she was a sweet/kind/loving woman. ppl want to say all these nasty things about mary but what they don't understand is the state of mind which royals had back then. of course mary thought herself a true princess her parents are both from established and strong royal houses.
@fleurgi whereas elizabeth and edward mothers were not from any royality. why would mary accept them as such all of europes royal houses didn't and it had nothing to do with religion and much more to do with the rules of royality. ppl expect mary to love anne and i just wonder if they would love her if in marys place. anne in marys eyes ruined her family i highly doubt anyone attacking mary would have jumped at the chance to play house with anne boleyn
@fleurgi I like the Turdors because it is Entertaining but it lacks a lote of historical facts because they want the show to have some kind of spice to it, I am pretty sure if they had people that looked like the real roals back in the day, people would not want to watch it because of there are no beautiful people in it, I think if anyone wanted see what was pretty close to the real thing, they should watch "Henry VIII" movie.
@fleurgi Most Anne Boleyn fans I know totally understand Mary's feelings toward Anne, and feel that Anne's treatment of Mary was wrong. Anne and Mary were both innocent girls once, and both grew up to do some things that were wrong and to be hated by the people. They had a lot in common. But Mary ended up becoming much more dangerous. Sadly, in the end she was her father's daughter instead of her mother's daughter - unforgiving and execution-happy.
@fleurgi I could not are with you more!!!, on this, I too dont understand why people would put Anne and Elizebeth so high up there, and then be mad at Jane for doing what Anne did to Chathrine, can you say double standers, I think the reason why people get mad at that is because the Tutors Series patrays Anne as beauiful, but in fact she was not beautiful, in fact history has showed us that she was very plain looking!!.
@Hattaru Fair enough. She was perhaps the most kind and loving of all the Tudors but she botched her reign and lost the love of her people by doing 3 things: 1 Married Phillip of Spain 2. Burning "heretics" and 3. Dragging England into Phillips war with France (in direct violation of the Marraige treaty) and therefore losing Calais. All of these things went against the advice of her council.
@ProfessorSSJ Indeed I do agree with you there, but you have to understand when Mary was crowed queen of England, she was I think 35 years old almost 40, and I know for a fact a woman that age, does not have that much choices in marring well, which is very sad, I lot of people did give her bad advise, and she was trying her hardest, but she did not have the education on how to rule things since her father bullshited her around. and I think "Chapuys" died before he saw her crowed.
@Hattaru yup, you are correct. Chapuys returned to Spain a few years before Henry VIII's death due to his poor health. And Mary didn't have a nice time during Edward's extreme Protestant reign. That probably convinced her even more to return England to the Catholic faith.
@JuzTudor70AD I wonder why she married a Protestant when she knew that Anne B was a Protestan as well, you would think she would avoid that situation!!, but I guess not, Spain loved Marry!! but they hated Elizebeth because of Anne B, and the over throw of Cathrine of Agragon, so even after there parents Deaths, it still came down to the past of there parents and what Henry did to Cathrine.
@Hattaru Also, her councilors were all inexperienced, except for Gardiner, whose advice was by far the best, but was nowhere near as good as Cromwell, Wolsey and Cecil. However, if she had followed more of his advice she would have fared better. He was against the burnings and the Spanish marraige, also, he knew that Phillip would get England involved in the wars which are expensive. Her attemps to reconcile with Rome failed when Paul IV excommunicated Phillip.
@ProfessorSSJ Indeed, I think she also favored the Spanish because of her mother,!!! and her mother's nephew!!, The Emper, so one might say that she wanted to be in the good graces of the spanish, because they were mostly on her side, and then Elizabeth came into power and they wanted to over throw her because of her mother!! I do believe that had somthing to do with it as well, so all of the hate and religion was due to Marry and Elizebeth's mother.
@Hattaru absolutelly agree with you...everybody compares her reigns with Elizabeth`s...but mary only reigns for five years...and Elizabeth 45!..
And Mary was bastarded and she cannot see her mother even when Catherine died.! she was only a child when this happens...Anne Boleyn wished kill Mary and her brother Edward try to force her to change her faith...
But the "tolerants" protestants hates Mary only because she was catholic and half spanish
@astrofabio68 Being Catholic or Half-Spanish has nothing to do with the fact that she had hundreds brutally murdered. Now look at Catherine of Aragon, she was a Catholic and she was FULL Spanish and this Protestant here thinks she was an incredible woman. A person's ACTIONS not their religion or race are what one should be judged by.
@astrofabio68 Mary murdered many a person for her zelotish faith. She was bad for england, tried to rip the country a part over religion. Not caring for the over all stablity of England.
@PrincessKarrah What gave the right for Elizebeth to Kill Marry Queen of The Scots, she could have let her live, but she not not, one would see that all of what Marry had done was because of her stepmother Anne B, she was a prod and there for marry would think that all prod were evil because of what Anne did to her, so of course she would do that, and Elizebeth did kind of the same thing, so did henry.
@Hattaru as for Mary She could blame Anne for stealing her father meaning she could blame he father for not loving her enouph and not allowing her to marry or making the country unfaithful to the cathlic church she could blame god for not making her a boy we can all blame people forever when were adelts we have to responsibility for are own Choices and Elizebeth may not have been perfect but she did not kill for revange as Mary did
@PrincessKarrah Indeed you are right, but let me just say, Elizebeth would never in a million years ever had to go though what Marry had to go through in her life, when Anne Died she was just a little girl, but Marry was older and grew up with her mother in the palace, so knowing that I pritty Mary I really do.
@Hattaru I pitty Mary for not being able to see her mom how ever with Anne and Elizabeth I think its worse because Kathrine died of old age you cant stop that how ever Anne was killed by her Father imagen how she most have felt never knowing her mom because of her father that could have been stoped
@PrincessKarrah To make it worse, Elizabeth was about three when Anne was beheaded, the age where first memories usually start, so I can't imagine how she must have felt to have one of her first memories be the beheading of her mother by her own father's order. To many children, this would cause some serious psychological damage, but Elizabeth didn't seem to show many signs of any such reaction.
@FantasmaLuna and when she maybe 10 she heard her Cousin/ step mother was beheaded that would be enouph to swear any girl off marrige thow it sucks that Marry could not have slaped Kathrine H for what she said to Her
@PrincessKarrah I must say if Chapuys would have lived when Marry became Queen I honestly believe that she would be almost as great as Elizebeth, but sadly he died before marry took the thrown, I think a lote of things that she did were a result of bad suggestions, not good enough people that were around to make the right take on things, so if he would have lived things would have been a lote better for Marry, and let us not forget Elizebeth had pretty good people by her side to make her great.
@Hattaru I agree what I think most people think Mary Tudor only as Bloody Mary but what most people forget is that she was dubbed that name by her political enemies not by her own people. I have to agree that she is constantly misunderstood as is her father.
@Hattaru The cruelty of never seeing her mother again was terrible. Her marriage was left too late and she was nothing even approaching attractive by the time Philip of Spain married her. He neglected her and poor Mary suffered crushing disappointment at every turn.
@nitanewsreader That is why i say that," Marry is one of the most missunderstood Tudors in history" she truly was miss treated, and it is true what Chapuys said!!!, in the series you see that Henry and Jane were Married in a church and all that, not true, just like Anne, Jane and Henry were married sercretly, I love the Tudors its Entertaining, but that is all, lol, they lack real history.
@Hattaru Yes, it's true. Mary I had a miserable, sad life. Unfortunately that doesn't excuse the 300 innocent people she had burned at the stake simply because they believed in something else besides Catholicism.
@nodinitiative Uh yeah. Everyone thinks Mary was evil, but the truth is, she's been through a lot. Its hard for her, and she was kinda confused. Queen Elizabeth didn't have it as hard... I choose Mary Tudor over her.
@Tonganpride1000 lol...sorry i knew u were agreeing with me. But i just had to put in more facts about Queen Mary.
You know what was so awesome that most people did not know, that after Edward, there were actually Three English Female Rulers, Lady Jane Grey, Queen Mary and then Queen Elizabeth. Wow...And people say back then 'women' were not given power sigh. Talk about historical ignorance :)
@nodinitiative I don't think the Civil War was Queen Elizabeth's fault. In fact she helped stave off civil war as it was due to long running tensions. These tensions were the assimilating of monarchical and religious power initiated by Henry VIII, the inability to create a fiscal system to successfully find the monarchy which led to a breach with Parliament who desired monetary control and the sheer political ineptitude of Charles I. Therefore, it had nothing to do with Elizabeth.
@ProfessorSSJ what is there to guess from something that is known fact. also not so hard to guess when monsters are not born they created ie. henry not very loving or kind towards any of his daughters. helped one only think about vengence in the name of a mother who was nothing but kind and loyal to him. and the other afraid to marry bc he killed her mom.
@fleurgi I think "Chapuys", in this series is more of a father than her own!! such an amazing, honorble, loving man, I think he also thinks as Mary as his daughter, in a way.
Queen Mary gets an unnecessarily bad rap. Not that I condone her actions but Henry and even Elizabeth killed way more people than Mary did. I get they were on the throne longer but even if you divide the number of people Henry and Elizabeth killed by year, they still killed more than Mary. I guess it's because Mary wanted England Catholic again. But Henry really put Mary through the ringer. She spent her whole life trying to regain everything she was initially groomed to be to no avail.
FutureSoapStar09 5 days ago
Many historians think that Mary actually is the daughter of henry dead older brother since Catherine was his wife also Mary's reign was very cruel giving her the name bloody mary
imasmileyunicorn 1 month ago
@imasmileyunicorn No, thats impossible. Arthur died in 1502. Mary was born in 1516. Katherine was already married to Henry by then.
hayabusahime 3 weeks ago 2
@imasmileyunicorn Please tell me who these "historians" are, I'd love to know.
ConstanzeWeber 3 weeks ago
Lady Mary really deserves to be a Queen....she is the legitimate heir of Henry VIIII and her beautiful and gracious mother Catherine De Aragorn
justinandbritneyJLA 1 month ago
@justinandbritneyJLA She *was* Queen, from 1553 to 1558, and earned herself the epithet "Bloody Mary" for burning over 300 people at the stake for heresy. Her Spanish husband disliked her and most of England disliked him. She also came with a hair's breadth of sanctioning the execution of her half-sister, Elizabeth, which would have deprived us of one of our greatest monarchs. Not an altogether brilliant five years for England!!
ConstanzeWeber 3 weeks ago
@ConstanzeWeber Their father was what left the Mess England they inherited and would be for longer time after both were gone.
Amlethusful 3 weeks ago
I totally wish they would do a second Tudors run with Sarah Bolger as Queen Mary. That would be great.
uclmu2008 1 month ago 4
Like Anne of Cleves' character. Its hard to believe she found him disgusting, the boil that had to be lanced, etc. Having Henry really appear as he did would increase the tension. I think this just goes to show how the producers of this show didn't care so much and shows their vanity in keeping all the actors looking beautiful.
XieYali 4 months ago
One of the things I dislike so much about this series is, although I can understand changing historical fact to heighten drama of a scene, why did the not show Henry as he really appeared by this time. A very obese man. :( Having the king look as he did really takes away from him as a historical figure and also changes the meaning in the way the characters relate to one another.
XieYali 4 months ago
Elizabeth's mother Queen Anne was also formally crowned, Eustace.
LaBoricua2591 5 months ago
@LaBoricua2591
But Mary was the eldest and Anne's marriage to henry was declared null and void like KofA's. With both of them bastards and both of them crowned, the eldest surely takes priority.
DramaInPajamas 5 months ago
@DramaInPajamas I am well aware of that. But I know that Chapuys hates Elizabeth. Maybe not on the show, because their characters don't have any interaction, but that same way that are people at court who wanted Mary to become queen to restore the country to Catholicism, there were others who preferred Elizabeth. After Edward died, of course.
LaBoricua2591 5 months ago
@LaBoricua2591 yes but Mary is eldest..
astrofabio68 4 months ago in playlist Tudors: Princess Mary
I really love the way Sarah Bolger portrayed Mary Tudor, and I think not only would she play a good Mary, Queen of Scots -- but she does resemble the young Mary Stuart as well.
InnateNobility 6 months ago
WERE IT NOT FOR QUEEN ELIZABETH WE WOULD ALL BE CATHOLIC! LOL
cmchambers777 6 months ago
Help me out on this please.
So since Queen Jane was never crowned, and if Katherine had deliver a son and be crowned, Katherine's son would be first in line or would be Prince Edward?
MultiMissLucy 7 months ago
@MultiMissLucy No. Edward is the oldest son, and so he would succeed first. Even if Jane was not crowned Queen formally, she was still Queen and wife to Henry. If Katherine bore any sons, then they wold follow Edward in the succession. If she had no sons (as history tells us), then Edward would succeed. If Edward bore no sons, then the crown would pass to Mary, and then Elizabeth if Mary had no sons. Does this help?
IrishTactical 6 months ago
@IrishTactical
Yes thanks.
:D
MultiMissLucy 6 months ago
@MultiMissLucy Queen Jane Seymour died before her coronation, which makes her Queen Consort to King Henry VIII. If Katherine is crowned Queen, her son would be first in line for the throne, then Prince Edward, Lady Mary, and Lady Elizabeth.
animeloverxoxox1 1 month ago
i thing mary has done it well in her reign as queen of england ireland and france. The protestants destroyed her life her mother her existence as a true princess so in her reign she burned heretics. She took revenge of them .
Micho22c 7 months ago
What is easily learned from Tudor History is that, what may seem as the easiest path is not always the right one and that it's best to be cautious.
princessivoryrose 7 months ago
@princessivoryrose completely agree!
IrishTactical 6 months ago
mary would be a wounderfuld queen if had not been existed religious disputes. was a very focused woman, wise, simple and loved his people...not walking with frivolity.
LeN0Re18 8 months ago 4
I think Chapuys was more of a father to her then Henry ever was
PrincessKarrah 10 months ago 25
@PrincessKarrah I just hope that she had someone who was a good figure in her life. Henry and Anne were monsters to her, though Henry blamed Anne for a lot of things he did.
NebetSeta 3 months ago
Sarah Bolger. Probably the ONLY person in the world i know that actually looks GOOD in black and wears it so stylishly.
PrincessLadyNinja 10 months ago 11
I just absolutely LOVE Mary's outfit!! Especially the feathered hat.
PrincessLadyNinja 10 months ago 2
Catherine's outfit isnt even in the decade! It belongs to the 1580's...
MuatioAesa 1 year ago
I dont see how Jane Seymour not having a coronation has anything to do with Edwards legtimacy.
MuatioAesa 1 year ago
@MuatioAesa It didn't. The show simplified it. Really, the reason why Edward's legitimacy was in question was because Henry and Jane's marriage was not sanctioned by the Pope. To some, they weren't really married.
vorrothiel 1 year ago
@vorrothiel
Ah. I see
MuatioAesa 1 year ago
@MuatioAesa
This is true, so long as the marriage took place before his birth and even his conception. Elizabeth had by far the weakest claim to the throne: Catherine was still alive when Anne married Henry, not to mention that Elizabeth was conceived out of wedlock. In the case of Edward, both of Jane's predecessors were dead, and even though the marriage was not performed under papal authority, Jane still considered herself a staunch Catholic, unlike Anne.
telamon2011 10 months ago 4
@telamon2011 is not about Pope's matter ..is because jane Seymor never was crowned like a Queen
astrofabio68 9 months ago
@astrofabio68
True. Henry would not proclaim Jane as Queen until she had given him a surviving son. She did this, but died only twelve days later. After the death of Jane, I believe Henry grew apathetic with regard to his marriages. He certainly had every intention of getting rid of Anne of Cleves as soon as possible, and as for Catherine Howard and Catherine Parr, by that time, marriage had just become a meaningless rite of passage to Henry.
telamon2011 9 months ago
Henry really should've had more confidence and pride in Mary, even if she wasn't a boy she had the conduct of a queen.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
@HistoryLover1550 she had his arrogance. i'm sure he was proud of that.
63blessed 1 year ago
@63blessed You got a point there, I don't know what her mother Katherine of Aragon would've felt about the ruler she would become, perhaps shocked and ashamed.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
@HistoryLover1550 mm agreed. i think Katherine was too conservative to approve of mass murder
63blessed 1 year ago
@63blessed Good point.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
princess mary must be queen!
astridbelge 1 year ago
Me encantó!
QueenAlexandra2007 1 year ago
Chapuys is my favorite character after Cromwell. I think he should be in the opening credits. They put the French ambassador in there and he has only been in the 1st episode. Chapuys has been in this series from season 1. And much of what we know about Henry VIII reign from 1530-1545 is from his letters.
ProfessorSSJ 1 year ago 47
@ProfessorSSJ I totally agree with you.
JuzTudor70AD 1 year ago 11
@ProfessorSSJ I agree, I think he should be in the opening credits as well, he is that good, and I think he deserves it!!.
Hattaru 1 year ago 3
@ProfessorSSJ And he was a great adviser to her, since he and Catherine of Aragon were friends!!, it is very sad, because we she became Queen, England was already messed up!!, I can honestly say she tried her hardest, but again she had a hard life and once "Chapuys" died there was no one she could trust I believe!!
Hattaru 1 year ago
@ProfessorSSJ
so true
Mochiish 1 year ago
@ProfessorSSJ absolutely
astrofabio68 4 months ago in playlist Tudors: Princess Mary
@ProfessorSSJ So do I. Chapuys should have gotten full credit, he was a main character all the way through!
wirramirra26 1 month ago
Poor, poor, sad Mary
bleupapillon1211 1 year ago
Chapuys and Mary are like bff's. XDD
MissMascaraD 1 year ago
Yes thank you for posting this, I must say people are so hating on Mary, but let me just say this, Mary Tudor had a very hard and sad life, her father was horrible to her, her stepmothers came on gone, her mother died!!!, and was not reconized as Queen!!, and all of this, one would see that she did become a little crazy and skitsh, you got so many nobles wanting her out of the picture, I love Mary, and I think she is one of the misunderstood Tudors in History.
Hattaru 1 year ago 43
@Hattaru i agree with everything u said. ppl put anne b and elizabeth up on a pedstal. idon't get me wrong i loved anne and henry on this show but what henry did to katherine was so wrong. she was a sweet/kind/loving woman. ppl want to say all these nasty things about mary but what they don't understand is the state of mind which royals had back then. of course mary thought herself a true princess her parents are both from established and strong royal houses.
fleurgi 1 year ago
@fleurgi whereas elizabeth and edward mothers were not from any royality. why would mary accept them as such all of europes royal houses didn't and it had nothing to do with religion and much more to do with the rules of royality. ppl expect mary to love anne and i just wonder if they would love her if in marys place. anne in marys eyes ruined her family i highly doubt anyone attacking mary would have jumped at the chance to play house with anne boleyn
fleurgi 1 year ago
@fleurgi I like the Turdors because it is Entertaining but it lacks a lote of historical facts because they want the show to have some kind of spice to it, I am pretty sure if they had people that looked like the real roals back in the day, people would not want to watch it because of there are no beautiful people in it, I think if anyone wanted see what was pretty close to the real thing, they should watch "Henry VIII" movie.
Hattaru 1 year ago
@fleurgi Most Anne Boleyn fans I know totally understand Mary's feelings toward Anne, and feel that Anne's treatment of Mary was wrong. Anne and Mary were both innocent girls once, and both grew up to do some things that were wrong and to be hated by the people. They had a lot in common. But Mary ended up becoming much more dangerous. Sadly, in the end she was her father's daughter instead of her mother's daughter - unforgiving and execution-happy.
Himaryous 1 year ago 5
@fleurgi I could not are with you more!!!, on this, I too dont understand why people would put Anne and Elizebeth so high up there, and then be mad at Jane for doing what Anne did to Chathrine, can you say double standers, I think the reason why people get mad at that is because the Tutors Series patrays Anne as beauiful, but in fact she was not beautiful, in fact history has showed us that she was very plain looking!!.
Hattaru 1 year ago
@Hattaru Fair enough. She was perhaps the most kind and loving of all the Tudors but she botched her reign and lost the love of her people by doing 3 things: 1 Married Phillip of Spain 2. Burning "heretics" and 3. Dragging England into Phillips war with France (in direct violation of the Marraige treaty) and therefore losing Calais. All of these things went against the advice of her council.
ProfessorSSJ 1 year ago
@ProfessorSSJ Indeed I do agree with you there, but you have to understand when Mary was crowed queen of England, she was I think 35 years old almost 40, and I know for a fact a woman that age, does not have that much choices in marring well, which is very sad, I lot of people did give her bad advise, and she was trying her hardest, but she did not have the education on how to rule things since her father bullshited her around. and I think "Chapuys" died before he saw her crowed.
Hattaru 1 year ago
@Hattaru yup, you are correct. Chapuys returned to Spain a few years before Henry VIII's death due to his poor health. And Mary didn't have a nice time during Edward's extreme Protestant reign. That probably convinced her even more to return England to the Catholic faith.
JuzTudor70AD 1 year ago
@JuzTudor70AD I wonder why she married a Protestant when she knew that Anne B was a Protestan as well, you would think she would avoid that situation!!, but I guess not, Spain loved Marry!! but they hated Elizebeth because of Anne B, and the over throw of Cathrine of Agragon, so even after there parents Deaths, it still came down to the past of there parents and what Henry did to Cathrine.
Hattaru 1 year ago
@Hattaru Also, her councilors were all inexperienced, except for Gardiner, whose advice was by far the best, but was nowhere near as good as Cromwell, Wolsey and Cecil. However, if she had followed more of his advice she would have fared better. He was against the burnings and the Spanish marraige, also, he knew that Phillip would get England involved in the wars which are expensive. Her attemps to reconcile with Rome failed when Paul IV excommunicated Phillip.
ProfessorSSJ 1 year ago
@ProfessorSSJ Indeed, I think she also favored the Spanish because of her mother,!!! and her mother's nephew!!, The Emper, so one might say that she wanted to be in the good graces of the spanish, because they were mostly on her side, and then Elizabeth came into power and they wanted to over throw her because of her mother!! I do believe that had somthing to do with it as well, so all of the hate and religion was due to Marry and Elizebeth's mother.
Hattaru 1 year ago
@Hattaru absolutelly agree with you...everybody compares her reigns with Elizabeth`s...but mary only reigns for five years...and Elizabeth 45!..
And Mary was bastarded and she cannot see her mother even when Catherine died.! she was only a child when this happens...Anne Boleyn wished kill Mary and her brother Edward try to force her to change her faith...
But the "tolerants" protestants hates Mary only because she was catholic and half spanish
astrofabio68 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 Being Catholic or Half-Spanish has nothing to do with the fact that she had hundreds brutally murdered. Now look at Catherine of Aragon, she was a Catholic and she was FULL Spanish and this Protestant here thinks she was an incredible woman. A person's ACTIONS not their religion or race are what one should be judged by.
EnglishRose719 1 year ago 5
@astrofabio68 Mary murdered many a person for her zelotish faith. She was bad for england, tried to rip the country a part over religion. Not caring for the over all stablity of England.
TraciPeteyforlife 1 year ago
@Hattaru I agree she head a hard life but I do not think that gave her the right kill so many people
PrincessKarrah 1 year ago 3
@PrincessKarrah What gave the right for Elizebeth to Kill Marry Queen of The Scots, she could have let her live, but she not not, one would see that all of what Marry had done was because of her stepmother Anne B, she was a prod and there for marry would think that all prod were evil because of what Anne did to her, so of course she would do that, and Elizebeth did kind of the same thing, so did henry.
Hattaru 1 year ago
@Hattaru as for Mary She could blame Anne for stealing her father meaning she could blame he father for not loving her enouph and not allowing her to marry or making the country unfaithful to the cathlic church she could blame god for not making her a boy we can all blame people forever when were adelts we have to responsibility for are own Choices and Elizebeth may not have been perfect but she did not kill for revange as Mary did
PrincessKarrah 1 year ago
@PrincessKarrah Indeed you are right, but let me just say, Elizebeth would never in a million years ever had to go though what Marry had to go through in her life, when Anne Died she was just a little girl, but Marry was older and grew up with her mother in the palace, so knowing that I pritty Mary I really do.
Hattaru 1 year ago
@Hattaru I pitty Mary for not being able to see her mom how ever with Anne and Elizabeth I think its worse because Kathrine died of old age you cant stop that how ever Anne was killed by her Father imagen how she most have felt never knowing her mom because of her father that could have been stoped
PrincessKarrah 1 year ago
@PrincessKarrah To make it worse, Elizabeth was about three when Anne was beheaded, the age where first memories usually start, so I can't imagine how she must have felt to have one of her first memories be the beheading of her mother by her own father's order. To many children, this would cause some serious psychological damage, but Elizabeth didn't seem to show many signs of any such reaction.
FantasmaLuna 1 year ago
@FantasmaLuna and when she maybe 10 she heard her Cousin/ step mother was beheaded that would be enouph to swear any girl off marrige thow it sucks that Marry could not have slaped Kathrine H for what she said to Her
PrincessKarrah 1 year ago
@PrincessKarrah I must say if Chapuys would have lived when Marry became Queen I honestly believe that she would be almost as great as Elizebeth, but sadly he died before marry took the thrown, I think a lote of things that she did were a result of bad suggestions, not good enough people that were around to make the right take on things, so if he would have lived things would have been a lote better for Marry, and let us not forget Elizebeth had pretty good people by her side to make her great.
Hattaru 1 year ago 3
@Hattaru I agree he was more of a father to her then I think Henry ever was
PrincessKarrah 1 year ago 2
@Hattaru I'm with you. I love Mary too.
bal92288 1 year ago
@Hattaru a tragic figure in history
astrofabio68 9 months ago 2
@Hattaru I agree what I think most people think Mary Tudor only as Bloody Mary but what most people forget is that she was dubbed that name by her political enemies not by her own people. I have to agree that she is constantly misunderstood as is her father.
Kinasha15 8 months ago 3
@Hattaru The cruelty of never seeing her mother again was terrible. Her marriage was left too late and she was nothing even approaching attractive by the time Philip of Spain married her. He neglected her and poor Mary suffered crushing disappointment at every turn.
nitanewsreader 6 months ago
@nitanewsreader That is why i say that," Marry is one of the most missunderstood Tudors in history" she truly was miss treated, and it is true what Chapuys said!!!, in the series you see that Henry and Jane were Married in a church and all that, not true, just like Anne, Jane and Henry were married sercretly, I love the Tudors its Entertaining, but that is all, lol, they lack real history.
Hattaru 6 months ago
@Hattaru Yes, it's true. Mary I had a miserable, sad life. Unfortunately that doesn't excuse the 300 innocent people she had burned at the stake simply because they believed in something else besides Catholicism.
MySushiBear 5 months ago
@Hattaru FINALLY!!!! Someone knows the truth
Tonganpride1000 4 months ago
@Tonganpride1000 lol...that truth is already well known but never accepted because people are too busy loving Queen Elizabeth
nodinitiative 4 months ago
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Tonganpride1000 4 months ago
@nodinitiative Uh yeah. Everyone thinks Mary was evil, but the truth is, she's been through a lot. Its hard for her, and she was kinda confused. Queen Elizabeth didn't have it as hard... I choose Mary Tudor over her.
Tonganpride1000 4 months ago
@Tonganpride1000 I never thought of her as 'evil', come on, she was killing off Protestants because she had a strict catholic husband.
Plus England was divided between Catholics and Protestants. There was a power struggle.
Queen Elizabeth herself cause more death and misery. She did not even make an effort to produce an heir, male or female.
I blame the English Civil War on Queen Elizabeth. She made possible of what King Henry VIII had always feared. An English Civil War
nodinitiative 4 months ago
@nodinitiative yeah.... i was just agreeing with you... don't take it the wrong way.
Tonganpride1000 4 months ago
@Tonganpride1000 lol...sorry i knew u were agreeing with me. But i just had to put in more facts about Queen Mary.
You know what was so awesome that most people did not know, that after Edward, there were actually Three English Female Rulers, Lady Jane Grey, Queen Mary and then Queen Elizabeth. Wow...And people say back then 'women' were not given power sigh. Talk about historical ignorance :)
nodinitiative 4 months ago
@nodinitiative yea, i knew that:) Lady Jane Grey only reigned 9 days before she was executed. Then Mary, then Elizabeth.
Tonganpride1000 4 months ago
@nodinitiative I don't think the Civil War was Queen Elizabeth's fault. In fact she helped stave off civil war as it was due to long running tensions. These tensions were the assimilating of monarchical and religious power initiated by Henry VIII, the inability to create a fiscal system to successfully find the monarchy which led to a breach with Parliament who desired monetary control and the sheer political ineptitude of Charles I. Therefore, it had nothing to do with Elizabeth.
WestEndGirlxx 1 month ago
You would never guess from this that she is the cause of the Marian persecutions!
ProfessorSSJ 1 year ago
@ProfessorSSJ what is there to guess from something that is known fact. also not so hard to guess when monsters are not born they created ie. henry not very loving or kind towards any of his daughters. helped one only think about vengence in the name of a mother who was nothing but kind and loyal to him. and the other afraid to marry bc he killed her mom.
fleurgi 1 year ago
@fleurgi I think "Chapuys", in this series is more of a father than her own!! such an amazing, honorble, loving man, I think he also thinks as Mary as his daughter, in a way.
Hattaru 1 year ago
Thanks for posting!
xHistoryGirl23x 1 year ago