Rhetoric Vs. Reality - Obama, #Occupy Oakland (mirror)

[88Keyz101]

How does an American citizen stand behind the forces that be to opress people of peaceful protest? Do we not have the right of demonstration? Have we gotten so beaucratic that one needs a permit to stand up for what he/she believes in? What the fuck is it with you spineless comformists to authority? You defend an officer who uses excessive force on a peaceful citizen. Nevermind that our Constitution supercede these laws. Where are your morals? Where are you fucking balls?

[PluralOfEverything]

The day is coming when we no longer peaceably assemble to protest the government's actions. When we arm ourselves like the authorities have, they won't stand a chance.

[n3rdm4n]

I hope the Nobel committee has learned not to hand out peace prices in advance.

[gothatfunk]

@n3rdm4n too right.



[pr0t0typeB0Y]

"heya," not "beta," =P

[pr0t0typeB0Y]

Beta, thanks for mirroring this bro! Let's spread the message far and wide. Peace.

[kubush]

Use your voting power and slash the police budget so hard that it would force massive layoffs and maybe you'll see these unemployed police join the movement.

[88Keyz101]

@kubush

Americans are way too fearful to do something like that. This overfed, uneducated public is way too comfortable in mediocrity to sacrifice anything to make their lives better. No one wants to be a martyr. No one wants to go to jail. This isnt the 60's. Political prisoners of back then are still sitting in jail. You rarely encounter someone fit for this today. Either Americans have the brains but no balls, or worse, all balls & no brains.

[bamboo4tameshigiri]

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Unconventional Warfare Devices and Techniques: Incendiaries- TM 31-201-1

Improvised Munitions Handbook- TM 31-210

Boobytraps- FM 5-31

ALL of these can be downloaded FREE in their PDF versions from the internet.

[wolfwing1]

What good is the right to protest, if the people your protesting can chose if when and where and how you can protest?

[ChameleonLost88]

I was just reading where a tear gas canister hit an Iraq war vet right on the face. The vet was a protestor. The people are saying "Enough of your greed and lies." The government is responding "We haven't went far enough you commie scum." The government violence hasn't stopped the protestors yet, it's making them strong and because of it many more are joining in protesting!

[TheScottism101]

5 people who watch FOX for it's "News" and dogmatically hate liberals while plugging their ears and yelling "La La La La La" didn't like this video.

[theone1308]

Great video.

[Vyperrx20]

I think the police officers in this video are using excessive force on unarmed protestors as far as adhearing to loccal law and ordinences I have no idea what they are pertaining to this however if local law was being violated one would think the protestors would have been asked to leave alot sooner

[CrudOMatic]

Gangsters own the police in large cities. Those gangsters rely on bankers to wash their money. Those gangsters pay off the police. OWS movements therefore are as poisonous for the gangsters as they are for banksters.

[durtygrrrl]

Thank you.

[10phoenix01]

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they FIGHT you, then you win

[panthera50]

@10phoenix01 Then you loose : because they smack a baton in your face, throw teargas and shoot with rubber bullets.

[fantasy0coach]

Talk about deja vu. Every time there is a movement by abused people, the first attempt of government is to use force to silence them. We have seen it before, throughout history. What we have also seen, is that if the resolve is strong enough, the people win.

[nedbeaty72]

Excelent video dude, I agree with the sentiment 100%

[PostSurgeOperative]

Oakland cops are enforcing local and state laws and ordinances. But hey, if these events can be used to smear Obama, I guess that's what's really important, right?

[Gripen1974]

@PostSurgeOperative Obama deserve all smearing for he is a corporate whore in same scale as G W Bush, He has no respect for human rights and moved USA into the real of totalitarian police state so he is completing the stuff Bush started.

[gothatfunk]

@PostSurgeOperative i'm not interested in smearing Obama.

as for the actions of the Oakland Police, are you suggesting that there is no such thing as excessive use of force? are you suggesting that state laws and ordinances are supercede the First Amendment?

if you think the Oakland Police have acted appropriately, please explain.

[PostSurgeOperative]

@gothatfunk I'm saying police have the authority to enforce local laws and ordinances, notwithstanding any group or individual's 1st amendment right. If Occupy Oakland opposes local laws and ordinances, they should bring their concerns to city hall.

Excessive force and police brutality is a local issue. Boards of oversight and regulation of police procedures and activities exist in every city and state. Unfortunately, the vast majority of citizens have abdicated their role in local governance.

[gothatfunk]

@PostSurgeOperative your last sentence really resonates. Local governance is where participation in democracy really counts, and yet seems to get the least exposure. do you think the lack of participation, or lack of interest, is a result of lack of exposure? is it more to do with a lack of education?

i still contend that no ordinances or state laws supercede Constitutional rights.

[PostSurgeOperative]

@gothatfunk Local laws and ordinances exist BECAUSE OF Constitutional rights. Cities and states have the lawful authority under the Constitution to enact local laws, and local cops have the authority and the duty to enforce those laws. In most cases, laws and ordinances are the result of democratic action and/or local planning by local individuals and groups.

Do you believe that Occupy Oakland's 1st Amendment right is inherently more valid than the rights of the citizens of the city of Oakland?

[darkdragonsoul99]

@PostSurgeOperative Within the bounds of what the constitution allows them to do I think you forgot that part. " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances". This does not give you freedom it restricts what the government is allowed to do. To answer your question YES

[gilless429]

@gothatfunk It's funny, your way of arguing is kinda resembling to that of edenscancer. And I mean that in a good way. And I agree with what you said by the way. Thanks for the vid too.

[Justwosweet]

@PostSurgeOperative It's my understanding they were arrested and attacked for literally taking their concerns to city hall.

[diomedes39]

@PostSurgeOperative What about when the law is no longer in the interest of the people? What if bureaucratic red tape prevents anything of substance from being accomplished? Why doesn't the police force protect the people instead of laws that contradict the constitution?

[bamboo4tameshigiri]

@PostSurgeOperative Police do not have the right to stomp on your 1st amendment. Period. Our forefathers said it was our DUTY to rise up and overthrow the government when it acts like this. Not that it was an option or a dream, IT IS OUR DUTY to overthrow them. It is our DUTY to fight fire with fire.

[darkdragonsoul99]

@PostSurgeOperative Unconstitutional law are not meant to be followed or enforced

[kainniak1]

@PostSurgeOperative so if something is a law does that make it right?

[LeksServices]

@PostSurgeOperative - Are you telling me local law supercedes federal law? Are you really that blind? Does that mean your local town could determine that everyone MUST attend a certain church, and you all MUST give over your first born child to be sacrificed on that church's altar, and it would be legal? How fucked up are you?

I agree we have to work on the local level, but only because that's the only level we CAN work on. The federal level takes MORE than I, as an individual, can muster.

[PostSurgeOperative]

@LeksServices Your conception of the 1st Amendment is inherently flawed. "Free expression" is rightfully constrained in several ways, not the least of which are "time, manner, and place" restrictions (please Google that before responding back to me, k thnx).

I doubt there's any city park in America that doesn't have closing hours established by planning commissions, zoning boards, board of trustees, or some other authority, none of which unconstitutionally abridge your 1st Amendment rights.

[WonkaDaDonka]

@PostSurgeOperative The Constitution supersedes Local, State and Federal law. Read it once.

[BillKiernan]

i'm going to be attacked for this, but here it goes. i don't support how heavy handed the cops were in oakland. but setting up tent cities is not a first amendment right. i support the movement, but it seems to be quickly devolving into a fucking rainbow gathering. is it about regulating banks/wall street etc, or is it about camping out wherever you want? you set up camp where you're not supposed to, are hostile to cops, then wonder why you get your ass beat and your tent tore down.....

[PostSurgeOperative]

@BillKiernan No, you are absolutely right.

A certain bloc of individuals at Occupy Boston are actively resisting tying the movement to any political party or politician, to such an extent that they have rejected proposals for town-hall style meetings with local candidates, out of fear that the 'movement' will be co-opted. When OWS first started, it had no clout, but now it has as much or more support than the TEA party had. IMO, we should use that leverage to affect change electorally.

[BillKiernan]

@PostSurgeOperative it has so much potential, i don't want to see it turn into an adrenaline rush for crusty punks.

[darkdragonsoul99]

@BillKiernan @PostSurgeOperative The right of the people peaceably to assemble, This does in fact cover extended stays if there was suppose to be a time limit it would have been set.