So if people in canada have to wait to solve their health issues, does that mean that americans DON'T have those problems? Or are they encouraged by their health insurance system not to even try to solve those problems? Pretending the problem isn't there doesn't make it go away. Waiting for it to be solved is still better than never having it solved at all. Oh and you can usually pay extra insurance anyway to skip the waiting list.
@dylg1111 what are you talking about? No one is every denied care and further more most hospitals in the U.S. Provide charity care or allow patients to pay as little as 10 dollars a month with no interest! Your comment is asinine.
I live in Canada and while it's obvious our system isn't perfect, far from it. I would never trade it for the American system. And many Canadians would easily agree.
@ElBarto3131 because of the "people die for not having money to pay for health care" argument? Canada's gov't take so much % of income for taxes and isn't in many wars.
For the U.S., it's excellent quality healthcare with a good price. I don't know about the quality of Canada's doctors so yeah.
Canadian income tax isn't that much, just Google "Canadian income tax". 26% in Canada for between $83,000 and $126,000. But much of the argument Canadians have for our healthcare is that we have some sort of obsession of "not being America". So in a way it is just nationalism. I've never experienced a problem with our system, but I've never needed a kidney transplant and I don't have cancer so I can't tell that.
@ElBarto3131 income tax is the smallest tax that citizens pay, its misleading to cite that as any kind of reference to government taxation. Spending is the tax, inflation is the tax, debt is the tax, focusing on a single minor tax is irrelevant
I'm from Canada waiting to see a neurologist about uncontrolled seizures. I got in for an EEG early only because someone else cancelled, they told me it was going to be 4 months to get the EEG, and then another 2 to see the neurologist about my results. Now I'm waiting 2 months to find out, meanwhile I'm blacking out and not remembering what happened. I'm not even allowed to be alone in my house for long periods of time yet I have to wait this long!
@Prinnycakes If you blocking out then you should go tot he Emergency room. I live in the US and I went to the Emergency room last Sunday where I was waiting to see doctor for over 4 hoursThe doctore spend with me only 5 min., and gave me toxic drugs for the spasm and said I need to see this week regular doctor but the bill will I went to see regular doctor and he gave me another presciption for the drugs.I was injured on a job and I have been treated like garbage for the last year.
yes we have to wait for care here in Canada... but the only reason the Americans don't have to wait is because so many people can't afford it... so they are going untreated... obviously there are going to be examples of canadian horror stories about waiting for health care, but there are many more American horror stories of just being left to die instead
I have always thought this would be a good system for america...
Have a crappy public system that is free for all. If you are rich then you can go to a private system that is more expensive, but has no wait times. Thus everyone gets some service, but if you are rich you get better service. Then it would be just like everything else in america.
the topic of the show is "what´s better ? private or socialized health care?"
when it comes to socialized health care , they show the U.K. , basically telling us "if we get socialzied health care , you will have to pull out your teeth by yourself".
Maybe this is true in the U.K. , but germany has socialized health care too , and I´ve never stood in line to see a dentist. and that´s why I love mass media...
lol waiting lines in my country are low and i only pay 37 euro's a month in health care, the government pays the other 63 euro's and i never have to worry about the costs. I never wait in line for my dental work, if i call them today i can visit them a few hours later, that will cost me 25% of total bill since my insurance pays for the other 75%. Silly Americans, you might pay less when it comes to taxes but when you're insurance decides to give you a big fuck you, enjoy the bill!
OK, I have lived in Canada for 54 years, and the only thing we ever wait for is elective, non-emergency procedures. I don't know where this information is coming from, but I have NEVER known anyone to wait for chemo or radiation. This is very much garbage.
@robertrutherford1959 Well I live in Sweden, and the little girl of a family friend died of a cold because the hospital wouldn't allow her father to pay extra to isolate her while her immune system was vulnerable due to leukemia treatment. My aunt has renal dysfunction and the queue for a kidney is about eight years here. In the US it's probably more like two months, or one year, tops.
What cost $400? The prescription, ambulance ride......??? I live in calgary and I have never been charged for going to the doctor and I noone has ever been treated in in a Tim Horton's here. No health care system is free however it is available to all and that is the point. A private system wouldn't be free so I don't know why you are complaining about money.
the only reason anything is allowed to be legal in the first place, is because it brings the govt money. thats why its technically illegal in the US to be homeless- ur not paying taxes!
i have waited 7 month's for an operation but, i am willing to wait as it would cost $11,000 to get it privately.
but if i didn't pay for health insurance there is no way i would be able to afford dental care, i go to my health care dental clinic, as i know a friend of mine who has been waiting for a root canal treatment for 2 years, i got mine at a private clinic and paid $2,000 but i got it done asap, not everything can be public health care, some needs to be private, or affordable.
@TheShaniqua1992 - It saved my life, so yeah. I pay into it too, actually. So I'm paying for other people as well. It's called taking care of people in need. The U.S. is the only industrial nation that doesn't "get it". The #1 cause of homeless in the States is because of medical bills. That's just absurd to have a country not take care of you. The U.S. may one day catch up with the rest of the Industrial nations.
@guineapiggyman The least you could have done was research my statement before opening your mouth. Jesus Christ the morons in this country today. Are you that lazy or just plain stupid?
@H1TMANactual I wasnt saying it to intimidate you, hun. Just merely stating my position, and why I have the right to think that way. I actually DO ther research, unlike most youTubers
@cartoeratos Depends on where you live in canada. Each providence manages its own. Some are amazing, I think it is onteraio that has the several hour wait lines. There is a video of hidden cameras as they went into a doctor there, to which a 22 with a broken wrist waited 6 hours to bee seen, and when asked about taking blood pressure, they referred him to a family doctor, which would take 3 years to get. Is it like that everywhere, nope, but it is in some places.
I'm sure 6 hour waits happen but they are not the norm. If you want to look at exteremes you will find these waits at sometime someplace in any system. If your situation is critical you will forgo the wait times, you see in most countries the health of the patient takes precedence over the wallet.
The system is not perfect but I challenge you to find a developed country that will trade their system for the US solution!
@cartoeratos True, I don't even want the US solution, but I want a free market solution. But we don't have a free market health care system, and we are far from it. We have fascist health care system, ruled by corporations via special laws. You can look up Friedman, who explains what a free market health care system is like to the may clinic doctors. They just recently got the entire lecture put up online.
@cartoeratos Being a Canadian makes you an expert at everything that happens in that country? Oh btw, minimum wages are stupid. How do I know? I live in Germany where there isn't one. Take it from me.
LOL I dont know where that girl lived in Canada but THATS SUCH BULLSHIT!!! Theres NO place that doesnt have enough space for babys LOL Unless you live in a hick town
I am a Veteran and I can get free health care with the VA. The problem is the first available appointment is in June. The problem though is not bad heath care, it is because the VA clinic I go to has 15,000 patients and not enough doctors. So I can wait or go to a Doctor downtown. Medicare is not free, we pay for it in taxes. Retired people pay for medicare too. It is taken out of there Social Security checks ever month. They also pay for AARP or some other insurance for prescription drug plan.
i would take what he said seriously if he let micheal moore talk and didnt cut him off with his bullshit statistics.i have a friend in canada he has no problem.
The law of supply and demand does apply. More people will go to the doctors and ERs because they don't have to pay a doctor visit fee, deductible or anything. Yes, people will go the doctor more often if they don't have to pay for it. A big reason people don't like going to waiting rooms is because for many you have to pay for something when you leave be it a fee, pescription or anything
I understand where Stossel is going with the basic law of supply and demand, yet he claims that the demand of healthcare will increase if it is made "free." People rush for ice cream cones because they are pleasurable. Why would the average person with medical care rush into the doctor's office once care is expanded. Won't they still go only whenever they need it? After all, people do not like going to the waiting room as much as slurping an ice cream cone!
If not Universal health care then what? What is everyone's solution to the millions who don't have health care? What about the fact that about 63% of bankruptcies are related to health care costs? I have my own stories of how the health care system here screwed me and I'm only 17! I've gotten letters from my insurance company over me going to the hospital for head trauma and other things and every time I went to the hospital I was SENT there by my doctor. That's not all
@kbjami - Who is going without healthcare? Where are the bodies? Life spans are increasing!
People are going without health insurance. That's not the same as going without health care. I've been without health insurance a few times in my life, and I survived. There are free clinics, and walk-in clinics. Make health insurance more like auto insurance, just for catastrophic illness. Costs would drop, because people would shop around.
@kbjami The 63% bankruptcy statistic is completely inaccurate. It was done by Dr.Himmelstien of the national physician organization which is dedicated to implementing a socialized medicare system. Department of Justice statistics show that less than 1% of americans enter bankruptcy each year and only 3-5% of those is due to medical debt. The Himmelstien study was also nonsense, because it assumed if you had medical cost is was related to your bankruptcy. cum hoc ergo propter hoc
John Stossle doesn't report the facts. Who do you trust, the World health Organization, or Stossle. We might not copy Canada, but we should definitely copy france. If we can put our nation into a war to kill people half a world away. Also why the hell would he put a Business teacher! He completely just biased his look at our health care system as a business. The fact is Canada scored higher then the United States in the services available toi the people. Got denied by the government? try an HMO!
@jivetime2 The WHO is an association that happens to be a proponent of a single payer system, the way they conducted their survey was healthcare equality. So equally worse = better. Look at who produces more medicine and survival rates among diseased people, america scores higher.
Hahahaha Stossel pointed out that if many Americans weren't like him, extremely overweight, we'd probably live longer. I think we should force people not to be obese, wouldn't that help?
Fucking Hell!!! I'd rather get a CHOPPER and butcher that dog to bits! Why the Hell on Earth are dogs more worth than people? Is this the way government see this? Is it because we're not subserviant enough? Is it because we don't lie down or play tricks or follow every whim of their commands, is this why we people are worth less than animals?!?!!
@autdelux The idea that you could lose your house and your life savings if you need an operation seems hard to understand. The other aspect is that Canadian businesses love universal health care because they don't have to create any private plan for their employees. This is also attractive for US businesses setting up operations in Canada but that hurts the US economy. I don't understand why US corporations are not for it, except those of course involved directly in the profits from health care.
Gov't health insurance is a must for any sane population, but the Canadian system has serious flaws. The lines are not a problem as the priority goes to those who need it first. It is however underfunded and understaffed. That's no reflection on anything other than its underfunded and understaffed, and does not negate the concept of gov't health insurance. Most of what Stossel says here are just lies. He's a master of fudged figures.
@indoctus41 You don't think the fact that it's underfunded/understaffed might be a SYMPTOM of government health care? If you make health care free, its demand becomes infinite.
@rnecas No not at all. There are universal systems that are well funded, France being the shining star of all systems. It comes down to politics. Gov'ts don't want to properly fund the system and so there are shortfalls. Nevertheless, taking away the profit motive creates huge savings which is a lot of the cost of the US system.
@indoctus41 I'm taking a look at the French system, and it's a private/public mix. It's not like Canada. In fact, it's pretty close to the U.S. approach without the lobbying bullshit mixed in.
My friend's dad is an Oncologist from Canada, and he hates the Canadian health care system with a passion. His main problem with the system is many cancer patients die from waiting for treatment where time is of the essence.
@nagasnharpes It's definitely underfunded and poorly run. That is not a function of the structure of universal health care since in other places it works very well (France, Norway for instance).
I live in Germany and the doctors become enough money, and I think in the US doctors have to study longer (since I've been told one must have a bachelor to start studying medicine in the US)
@kubaniski no in the US, my cousin finished med school a year ago and now he's working for free at a hospital for another year to become a full doctor.
FAIL...was the quality of life in Canada vs. US ever compared? There are so many uninsured in the US that suffer..I think those people would rather wait a a little longer in line to get some kind of care. John, this should be saved for your "Give Me A Break" segment.
I don´t know about the rest, but the the thing about the protests of the german doctors was a bit abused..
in the beginning of 2007 the gov made small change in the doctors´ payment method. So the docs protested in advance, because they feared to earn less money than before (btw they came in cars like porsche cayenne or mercedes battleships, it was a good laugh in media here). A half year later the apologize: "yes, we do earn less now, but we forgot the bonus, which make us earn more now."
poppets of the system... American media fights so hard to make better places look like shit just to stick you to the system.. at least when the health care is free no one will die cuze he has no insurance.. no one will ask u about ur insurance at ER..
i'm sorry, but i do believe that obesity IS a healthcare concern, and that preventive medicine such as exercise and a diet plan of some sort could prevent much of it not to mention thyroid medications, mental health consultation. That's all fucking healthcare related in my opinion. Hmmm, more accidents? Maybe caused by alcoholism? That could be addressed with healthcare? This is shit, and comparing free ice cream to healthcare!!?? OMG! Two totally different things!! This guy is an ass
It's been awhile since i've watched this so bear with me. Obesity is a healthcare concern because it leads to diabetes, heart disease, and other preventable illnesses. If was something as simple as self control, than there probably would be far less people overweight. It's psychological, and could actually be biological in cases with thyroid problems. It's more of an addiction in my opinion. Any psychologist would have a huge list of reasons why somebody could be obese. It varies
The fact that it's often as simple as self-control is exactly why it's so prevalent.
I say "often" because I will acknowlage that there can be times when it's beyond another persons control, but those are teh exceptions, not the norms. Most cases, it's certainly within a person's ability to not be obese, but many people abuse the exceptions so they can say "It's a thyroid problem!" as an escape from the horrifying realization that it's their own fault.
As far as this law of supply and demand and comparing ice cream and healthcare, it's ridiculous. They think that once healthcare is free that everyone is going to storm the hospitals. Which just isn't true. I was in the military for 5 yrs, 2 of which I worked in a military hospital. Which is, socialized medical care. Nobody was storming the damn hospital for healthcare. I do think that there will be more at first. But nothing to cause a collapse, if anything it would stimulate jobs
Just because there's more work to be done doesn't mean it will stiumulate jobs. Canada actually has fewer doctor per patient. Making something free only increases consumption.
the laws of supply and demand are the same for every product. Health care is a good, just like any other. Even now, when people have insurance pay for everything, they ask for extra services.
They ask for extra services because they know that insurance will pay for it. If they did socialize health care they would deem those extra services as "elective" which would basically means if it's not a necessary procedure than they would pay out of pocket for it. Just like the military. It turns to more of a philosophical view at some point where we need to take care of everybody equally in the country. No one person should have more right to receive treatment.
I don't really understand the concern of people and socializing healthcare. Do they feel that some people are more deserving than others? I mean, i'm a Iraqi war vet with no access to healthcare because i'm out of the military. Does that mean that if I get sick that i should pay more? Am I less deserving of treatment?
So why not apply that logic to food. Under our system, people get food according to their ability to pay for it. If everyone deserves equally to eat, should the government control that industry also?
the problem with canada is not the health care system. I love how they avoid the fact that canada has an issue letting immigrants work university work. meaning immigrants normally can't teach or become doctors because the 1 year courses and testing cost too much. if immigrants would be allowed to work in these fields thenthere would be a completly different idea. The doctors get paid well, the quality of health care is good. the only problem is the shortage because we avoid letting them work
you really have to come here and see it for yourself, i suppose. i have had no bad experiences with it myself. i have to book an appointment to see my doc today. i am hoping to see him today, but i might have to wait until tomorrow, at the latest. you can't trust the media as they all have an agenda, (maybe i have an agenda) but i would say that everything michael moore said about the NHS was true, even if he did not mention some of the negative things, which i think are only very minor.
And you have to understand that a lot of what you hear about the US system is false. I have worked in an emergency room in the US for quite some time and just because people dont have insurance does not stop them from geting every treatment that is available to some one with insurance. that includes follow up care, medications, physical therapy, surgery and so on and so on. Who pays for it? Americans with insurance pick up for the debt with their increasing insurance rates.
this guy makes a lot of sense. sure, insurance companies aren't great, but imo, universal healthcare is even worse. it will result in one of two things: horrible (but cheap) care, or quality care that will bankrupt the gov't. you should use the free market solution (basically, let all doctors, medicine companies, and insurance companies compete with each other).
uummm how many cats and dogs are there in toronto, and how many people?? of course we have to wait a month u retard, there are things that i agree with this reporter but then there are other things that i higly disagree, did he also mention the reason why we have such long lines here in Canada is because of a shortage of doctors? due to the government paying them less than US pays their doctors so they run to the US and other countries? to many variables behind the health care.
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John Stossel's an idiot. He keeps saying free free free government will pay for it. No. In England, they take out a certain amount from YOUR PAYCHECK that is exclusively for the NHS. This is deceiving bullshit. You DO pay for the NHS.
Nope, lolintro1 is not the only one. I don't know where the US Media digs up all these people who don't like the system but everyone I know wouldn't have it any other way! The Canadian health system has looked after my children for 20 years and quite well at that, and all for free. No complaints here! Its not the end all and its certainly not perfect, but its better than going bankrupt when you get sick.
Maybe if the government was paying for our health insurance, they would think twice before approving drugs that can be dangerous to us, or allowing products and chemicals which are harmful to us. Sure, we all have more car accidents and kill each other more in the US. That's just explains how stupid we all are.
The government should still control the health care regardless. I'd rather have the government have control rather than insurance companies. Sure, we will be packed, and stuff.... I'm sure if the government was getting the money of the insurance companies were getting, they would be paying out 100% or at least close to 100% of the money out to hospitals. Doctors and hospitals wouldn't have to waste so much time writing out bills, ect. You can compensate by charging more taxes.
utter bullshit, reminds me of the old communist demagogue films about other nations made up problems to cover our ass. BTW, I live in Hungary, where the NHS also sucks in a way, but if you are ill, you will be well cared for regardless of your (we have 3 choices only though) insurance policies.
And this guy is a stupid fuck. Dental care in Canada (at least Ontario) is not included in our health care. And he tries to make a point against it using that? What an idiot.
murder rate and car accidents explains why americans live 5 years less than we do in France ?! I can't believe this or ... I shall admit that the US is a fucking 3 world country.
In France we have fully socialized medicine and guess what ... you don't wait more than a week for a MRI. And that's IF it's NOT an emergency. True, you have to wait 6 months to see an ophtalmologist but guess what : 99% of them work in privately-owned businesses ...
That is FULL lies ! Doctors in France never went on strike because the government pays them less. In fact, most of the french doctors are not payed by the government. And the ones that are NEVER saw their paicheck go down. Doctors went on strike because the government reduced the allowance of public hospitals thus reducing the number of employees (ie doctors) available to take care of patients. They went on strike to defend the quality of the healthcare system not to get better wages.
If you actually do a search about French doctors striking over pay, you'll be shown your error- it happened in 2002 and that was just the first article that popped up.
The cues in the UK dental service are caused NOT because of the National Health Service, but because of the part privatisation of the dental service causing a huge incentive for British dentists to become private in the pursuit of profit.
I live in the UK and haven't seen a dentist in 5 years because all of the dentists in my area are private. There are no NHS dentists in my town accepting new patients.
The fix for this is to properly, FULLY nationalise the UK dental health service!
The NHS hospitals being forced to cut costs by not washing sheets are mostly victims of the Private Finance Initiative or "PFI". This is where a private company builds the hospital, provides the staff for cleaning, maintenence and security. It looks good in the short term because the NHS pays nothing and gets a brand new hospital. However the hospital is then forced to pay rent on the property that it operates in, rent that costs much more than the original cost for building the hospital.
This forces the level of care down. Allong with government cuts to fund things like illegal wars in the middle east and billion pound baillouts for banks with bad business practice.
The private companies who are incharge of the cleaning, are driven by profit, therefore any cutbacks to the level of cleaning are at a profit to them. The way to increase the standard of cleaning in hospitals in the UK is to...FULLY nationalise the cleaning services for UK hospitals!
What's funny is that as a British person I recieve healthcare as soon as I get to a hospital, provided I actually need it then. I've had some pretty nasty cuts and scrapes (read:needing stitches), but when I get to a hospital it's straight to a doctor if still bleeding and a half hour wait if I'm not. A half hour wait isn't so bad if you pay far proportionaly less than an american with health insurance.
In America you're screwed too if you have a terminal illness. When your insurance coverage reaches the standard $million cap, you're out the hospital door - or you loose evrything in bankruptcy for uncovered medical bills - or worse, you simply do without treatment and die.
It's a fact that America spends more per person than any other country on medical, yet many do without and our longevity rates are dismal.
I don't know how we will craft a national coverage, but the need for it is plain.
Stossel is reporting the distorted views of the Cato Institute. It is highly selective and highly biased. Canadians had the same health care system as the US until a few decades ago. Ask yourself why successive governments there under conservative rule are not scrapping their government funding of health care. Canadians know how bad it is in America and how good it is in Canada. Its Stossel's journalism that is "shocking" IMHO
Read stuff from Cato... he gets nearly all his material from there. Its biased. And lazy. And bad journalism IMHO. One could be forgiven for thinking that they paid him (or the program researchers) to say these things. Most journalists look to both sides. The stuff he says about the UK is mostly nonsense. Nobody has to pull their own teeth with pliers!
All of this is depends on individual perception and experience. why make profit? for the survival of individual? so the theory of Darwin is true - the survival of the fittest.
The theory of manipulation, human manipulate each other to gain profit for their own survival. on the other hand human also manipulated by their own thought and idea sometime the idea is contradicts each other. Every relevant thinking or perception form by the mind is some kind of manipulation. All just delusional.
People wait in America too. I had to had to wait for an MRI for my shoulder for 3 months. I would rather get some care than NONE and be thousands in debt and losing everything I own
Come on. There are plenty of services provided by government and there isn't a run on using these services! Americans don't drive up and down our free roads, commit crimes, set their houses on fire - just because our roads, police, and fire depts are free. We've found over time that certain services are best NOT privatized. Private police or private fire depts went out with Renaisance Italy and Colonial America. It's time for health care/health payment to be de-privatized also.
Right now America has a for profit medical system and this is unacceptable.
RebelWrestler45; For your sake, and your family's sake, I hope that you're either very very rich, or very poor - because those are the only 2 groups in America today who are assured of getting proper medical care. If your dependent on a job for medical insurance and to pay your bills when a catastrophe hits, - you're scr*wed.
A for profit medical system drives down prices, The problem is with insurance company composition, not the medical system itself. I'd rather go into debt to save my own life, than to be completely screwed, whether I am rich or poor, if I have a serious illness. If I have a cancerous tumor, I don't want to wait a year for surgery, until its too late.
Hmm, well macpduff, it would seem that your opinion is not shared by the majority of people who have insurance and are happy with it. Close to 80%, as I recall. And most of them, guess what, AREN'T "very rich, or very poor".
paolung; Oh?, does that include the unemployed, most of whom are uninsured because they can't afford their COBRA Copays? ?
Poll questions can and are written to achieve the desired results of the pollster. I'd be interested in poll results of insured Americans whose hospital bills have just put them over their Million $ cap, or treatment denied due to a 'pre-existing condition'.
Did this 'yellow journalism' video really air on 20/20?
macpduff- no, if you read what I wrote, I said "the majority of people who HAVE insurance and are happy with it", which by definition excludes those who do not (in your example of people who cannot afford COBRA copays).
The reality is that people who can't afford insurance can't afford NOT to have insurance. The reason the insurance is so expensive for some is that they're going to cost a boatload of money to treat- high risk = higher cost. That's how insurance works.
Pre-existing conditions get turned down for the same reason that people who have cancer can't get insurance- too risky.
Believe me, you WANT your insurance company to turn those people down. If they go under, NO ONE'S claims get paid. The best insurance companies provide the best services, manage the risk pool, and turn a decent profit. That's their job. They employ some very smart people to calculate risks (actuaries) and determine just how much they can take on. Think about it!
So if people in canada have to wait to solve their health issues, does that mean that americans DON'T have those problems? Or are they encouraged by their health insurance system not to even try to solve those problems? Pretending the problem isn't there doesn't make it go away. Waiting for it to be solved is still better than never having it solved at all. Oh and you can usually pay extra insurance anyway to skip the waiting list.
Anonymous247n 2 weeks ago
lol, British people waiting in line for the dentist. Don't lie to me Stossel.
hokieneer17 1 month ago
@hokieneer17 You know the Brits need dentists.
htiberian 3 weeks ago
@ecofriendlyS Then find a different doctor!
556deltawolf 1 month ago
John Stossel told moore he was fat to his fat stupid face. i now love this man.
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Zimnyification 3 months ago
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No Dentistry is not part of canadian health care.
cartoeratos 3 months ago
@cartoeratos Fuck me. Thanks.
Zimnyification 3 months ago
@dylg1111 what are you talking about? No one is every denied care and further more most hospitals in the U.S. Provide charity care or allow patients to pay as little as 10 dollars a month with no interest! Your comment is asinine.
brianstevens131 3 months ago
I live in Canada and while it's obvious our system isn't perfect, far from it. I would never trade it for the American system. And many Canadians would easily agree.
ElBarto3131 3 months ago
@ElBarto3131 because of the "people die for not having money to pay for health care" argument? Canada's gov't take so much % of income for taxes and isn't in many wars.
For the U.S., it's excellent quality healthcare with a good price. I don't know about the quality of Canada's doctors so yeah.
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Canadian income tax isn't that much, just Google "Canadian income tax". 26% in Canada for between $83,000 and $126,000. But much of the argument Canadians have for our healthcare is that we have some sort of obsession of "not being America". So in a way it is just nationalism. I've never experienced a problem with our system, but I've never needed a kidney transplant and I don't have cancer so I can't tell that.
ElBarto3131 3 months ago
@ElBarto3131 - But it is important to look at all taxes, not just income tax. Canada Taxes equal 32% of GDP. US taxes equal 26% of GDP.
dtmoura 2 months ago
@ElBarto3131 income tax is the smallest tax that citizens pay, its misleading to cite that as any kind of reference to government taxation. Spending is the tax, inflation is the tax, debt is the tax, focusing on a single minor tax is irrelevant
slickbtk 1 month ago
I'm from Canada waiting to see a neurologist about uncontrolled seizures. I got in for an EEG early only because someone else cancelled, they told me it was going to be 4 months to get the EEG, and then another 2 to see the neurologist about my results. Now I'm waiting 2 months to find out, meanwhile I'm blacking out and not remembering what happened. I'm not even allowed to be alone in my house for long periods of time yet I have to wait this long!
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@Prinnycakes that sucks man. Hang in there!
Cornampoo 2 months ago
@Prinnycakes If you blocking out then you should go tot he Emergency room. I live in the US and I went to the Emergency room last Sunday where I was waiting to see doctor for over 4 hoursThe doctore spend with me only 5 min., and gave me toxic drugs for the spasm and said I need to see this week regular doctor but the bill will I went to see regular doctor and he gave me another presciption for the drugs.I was injured on a job and I have been treated like garbage for the last year.
ecofriendlyS 1 month ago
@Prinnycakes curious. You say you're from Canada, but on your profile it says "United States." did you move?
aadeebindy 2 days ago
yes we have to wait for care here in Canada... but the only reason the Americans don't have to wait is because so many people can't afford it... so they are going untreated... obviously there are going to be examples of canadian horror stories about waiting for health care, but there are many more American horror stories of just being left to die instead
DylG1111 4 months ago
Have the same problem here in Sweden, and people go outside of Sweden to get health care because the waiting list is so long.
trapedd 5 months ago
If canada's system is so great why do their leaders come here for health care?
spankula123 5 months ago
Old stuff is old.
Arkantos117 5 months ago
I have always thought this would be a good system for america...
Have a crappy public system that is free for all. If you are rich then you can go to a private system that is more expensive, but has no wait times. Thus everyone gets some service, but if you are rich you get better service. Then it would be just like everything else in america.
BenU314159 5 months ago
this is kinda ridiculous...
the topic of the show is "what´s better ? private or socialized health care?"
when it comes to socialized health care , they show the U.K. , basically telling us "if we get socialzied health care , you will have to pull out your teeth by yourself".
Maybe this is true in the U.K. , but germany has socialized health care too , and I´ve never stood in line to see a dentist. and that´s why I love mass media...
PS: excuse my english , I´m german ;)
greetings , Paul
GitarreLernenUSG 5 months ago
lol waiting lines in my country are low and i only pay 37 euro's a month in health care, the government pays the other 63 euro's and i never have to worry about the costs. I never wait in line for my dental work, if i call them today i can visit them a few hours later, that will cost me 25% of total bill since my insurance pays for the other 75%. Silly Americans, you might pay less when it comes to taxes but when you're insurance decides to give you a big fuck you, enjoy the bill!
TheRaevin 5 months ago
Healthcare in my country also has almost no waiting lines, but then again, we went bankrupt this year.
seppsters 7 months ago
OK, I have lived in Canada for 54 years, and the only thing we ever wait for is elective, non-emergency procedures. I don't know where this information is coming from, but I have NEVER known anyone to wait for chemo or radiation. This is very much garbage.
robertrutherford1959 7 months ago
@robertrutherford1959 can you give me your sources i want to know if this was true
chicanokid101 7 months ago
@robertrutherford1959 Well I live in Sweden, and the little girl of a family friend died of a cold because the hospital wouldn't allow her father to pay extra to isolate her while her immune system was vulnerable due to leukemia treatment. My aunt has renal dysfunction and the queue for a kidney is about eight years here. In the US it's probably more like two months, or one year, tops.
DrStrangebomb1993 4 months ago
@kristopheraugust
You don't know what you are charged for?
You have the exact same freedoms in BC and that includes the freedom to find a new job (Northern BC is booming right now) or to get an education.
Sound politics ? Thats questionable. However Oil pushing $100 a barrel brings a few benefits including jobs and low taxes, so ya we are pretty lucky.
cartoeratos 7 months ago
@kristopheraugust
What cost $400? The prescription, ambulance ride......??? I live in calgary and I have never been charged for going to the doctor and I noone has ever been treated in in a Tim Horton's here. No health care system is free however it is available to all and that is the point. A private system wouldn't be free so I don't know why you are complaining about money.
cartoeratos 7 months ago
"You have to bark or meow to get this kind of treatment."
rickbpdq 7 months ago 2
John Stossel should be Ron Paul's vice prez
jonnypants320 8 months ago 36
I clicked Dislike by accident, opps. FUCK socialized med.
Userofname69 9 months ago
the only reason anything is allowed to be legal in the first place, is because it brings the govt money. thats why its technically illegal in the US to be homeless- ur not paying taxes!
guineapiggyman 9 months ago
i have waited 7 month's for an operation but, i am willing to wait as it would cost $11,000 to get it privately.
but if i didn't pay for health insurance there is no way i would be able to afford dental care, i go to my health care dental clinic, as i know a friend of mine who has been waiting for a root canal treatment for 2 years, i got mine at a private clinic and paid $2,000 but i got it done asap, not everything can be public health care, some needs to be private, or affordable.
uching 9 months ago
@TheShaniqua1992 - It saved my life, so yeah. I pay into it too, actually. So I'm paying for other people as well. It's called taking care of people in need. The U.S. is the only industrial nation that doesn't "get it". The #1 cause of homeless in the States is because of medical bills. That's just absurd to have a country not take care of you. The U.S. may one day catch up with the rest of the Industrial nations.
Rockafella9 9 months ago
Only Stossel could have done this masterpiece
H1TMANactual 1 year ago
@H1TMANactual except thats its all wrong
guineapiggyman 9 months ago
@guineapiggyman Only 50% of the country pays taxes. Spread some more idiocy
H1TMANactual 9 months ago
@H1TMANactual yeah. MY idiocy. when u think only 50 percent pay... hmmm
guineapiggyman 9 months ago
@guineapiggyman The least you could have done was research my statement before opening your mouth. Jesus Christ the morons in this country today. Are you that lazy or just plain stupid?
H1TMANactual 9 months ago
@H1TMANactual im a stock analyst. i dont need to research your crap statements
guineapiggyman 9 months ago
@guineapiggyman Doubt it.
H1TMANactual 9 months ago
@H1TMANactual I wasnt saying it to intimidate you, hun. Just merely stating my position, and why I have the right to think that way. I actually DO ther research, unlike most youTubers
guineapiggyman 9 months ago
@guineapiggyman Half the country doesn't pay federal income tax. What's even the debate here?
H1TMANactual 9 months ago
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Rockafella9 1 year ago
@Rockafella9
Must feel good spending other people's money.
TheShaniqua1992 9 months ago
So basically if you're rich = USA, if you're not = everywhere else
Andybaby 1 year ago
I live in Canada and this is Horseshit. It is not perfect but it is nothing like this.
cartoeratos 1 year ago
@cartoeratos Depends on where you live in canada. Each providence manages its own. Some are amazing, I think it is onteraio that has the several hour wait lines. There is a video of hidden cameras as they went into a doctor there, to which a 22 with a broken wrist waited 6 hours to bee seen, and when asked about taking blood pressure, they referred him to a family doctor, which would take 3 years to get. Is it like that everywhere, nope, but it is in some places.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@bluefootedpig
I believe you mean the Province of Ontario.
I'm sure 6 hour waits happen but they are not the norm. If you want to look at exteremes you will find these waits at sometime someplace in any system. If your situation is critical you will forgo the wait times, you see in most countries the health of the patient takes precedence over the wallet.
The system is not perfect but I challenge you to find a developed country that will trade their system for the US solution!
cartoeratos 1 year ago
@cartoeratos True, I don't even want the US solution, but I want a free market solution. But we don't have a free market health care system, and we are far from it. We have fascist health care system, ruled by corporations via special laws. You can look up Friedman, who explains what a free market health care system is like to the may clinic doctors. They just recently got the entire lecture put up online.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@cartoeratos Its propaganda :P ABC MSMBC CNN FOX NEWS etc etc
theshadowbehindme 1 year ago
@cartoeratos Being a Canadian makes you an expert at everything that happens in that country? Oh btw, minimum wages are stupid. How do I know? I live in Germany where there isn't one. Take it from me.
ndes0532 3 months ago
@ndes0532
I told you my experience. Take it or leave it!
The statistics speak for themselves.
cartoeratos 3 months ago
LOL I dont know where that girl lived in Canada but THATS SUCH BULLSHIT!!! Theres NO place that doesnt have enough space for babys LOL Unless you live in a hick town
decbaby1987 1 year ago
I am a Veteran and I can get free health care with the VA. The problem is the first available appointment is in June. The problem though is not bad heath care, it is because the VA clinic I go to has 15,000 patients and not enough doctors. So I can wait or go to a Doctor downtown. Medicare is not free, we pay for it in taxes. Retired people pay for medicare too. It is taken out of there Social Security checks ever month. They also pay for AARP or some other insurance for prescription drug plan.
jrwilson98 1 year ago
Its not free they pay taxes for this.
jrwilson98 1 year ago
02:48 OH,WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY !! you are more prone to violence in the u.s,thats why!!! i´m gonna live there,in the mighty-usa...(srcsm)
corporacionmonstruo 1 year ago
i would take what he said seriously if he let micheal moore talk and didnt cut him off with his bullshit statistics.i have a friend in canada he has no problem.
berkiman5 1 year ago
@berkiman5 I have no problems with the american system, whats your point?
acmna 1 year ago
You're healthcare isn't better than ours!! We're just a bunch of fat murderers who can't drive!! Take that communists!!
Ceramictrout 1 year ago
The law of supply and demand does apply. More people will go to the doctors and ERs because they don't have to pay a doctor visit fee, deductible or anything. Yes, people will go the doctor more often if they don't have to pay for it. A big reason people don't like going to waiting rooms is because for many you have to pay for something when you leave be it a fee, pescription or anything
vloghog1 1 year ago
hahaha he calls micheal moore a fattie!
awsomeshot 1 year ago
I understand where Stossel is going with the basic law of supply and demand, yet he claims that the demand of healthcare will increase if it is made "free." People rush for ice cream cones because they are pleasurable. Why would the average person with medical care rush into the doctor's office once care is expanded. Won't they still go only whenever they need it? After all, people do not like going to the waiting room as much as slurping an ice cream cone!
evmoo1992 1 year ago
I just got to ask . . .
If not Universal health care then what? What is everyone's solution to the millions who don't have health care? What about the fact that about 63% of bankruptcies are related to health care costs? I have my own stories of how the health care system here screwed me and I'm only 17! I've gotten letters from my insurance company over me going to the hospital for head trauma and other things and every time I went to the hospital I was SENT there by my doctor. That's not all
kbjami 1 year ago
@kbjami - Who is going without healthcare? Where are the bodies? Life spans are increasing!
People are going without health insurance. That's not the same as going without health care. I've been without health insurance a few times in my life, and I survived. There are free clinics, and walk-in clinics. Make health insurance more like auto insurance, just for catastrophic illness. Costs would drop, because people would shop around.
mpc91 1 year ago
@kbjami The 63% bankruptcy statistic is completely inaccurate. It was done by Dr.Himmelstien of the national physician organization which is dedicated to implementing a socialized medicare system. Department of Justice statistics show that less than 1% of americans enter bankruptcy each year and only 3-5% of those is due to medical debt. The Himmelstien study was also nonsense, because it assumed if you had medical cost is was related to your bankruptcy. cum hoc ergo propter hoc
acmna 1 year ago
I'd rather be on a waiting list than no list at all
kbjami 1 year ago
John Stossle doesn't report the facts. Who do you trust, the World health Organization, or Stossle. We might not copy Canada, but we should definitely copy france. If we can put our nation into a war to kill people half a world away. Also why the hell would he put a Business teacher! He completely just biased his look at our health care system as a business. The fact is Canada scored higher then the United States in the services available toi the people. Got denied by the government? try an HMO!
jivetime2 1 year ago
@jivetime2 The WHO is an association that happens to be a proponent of a single payer system, the way they conducted their survey was healthcare equality. So equally worse = better. Look at who produces more medicine and survival rates among diseased people, america scores higher.
acmna 1 year ago
Okay, this documentary, I admit, is slightly skewing my perception of insurance. Gawd, now I have to rethink everything.
dragonofthedarknight 1 year ago
Hahahaha Stossel pointed out that if many Americans weren't like him, extremely overweight, we'd probably live longer. I think we should force people not to be obese, wouldn't that help?
ahoov123 1 year ago
06:40
Fucking Hell!!! I'd rather get a CHOPPER and butcher that dog to bits! Why the Hell on Earth are dogs more worth than people? Is this the way government see this? Is it because we're not subserviant enough? Is it because we don't lie down or play tricks or follow every whim of their commands, is this why we people are worth less than animals?!?!!
Cleric775 1 year ago
its good that the cost of Docs is controlled. Not like in America when u make 1 Operation u get more Money then others earn in a Year ^^
autdelux 1 year ago
@autdelux The idea that you could lose your house and your life savings if you need an operation seems hard to understand. The other aspect is that Canadian businesses love universal health care because they don't have to create any private plan for their employees. This is also attractive for US businesses setting up operations in Canada but that hurts the US economy. I don't understand why US corporations are not for it, except those of course involved directly in the profits from health care.
indoctus41 1 year ago
Gov't health insurance is a must for any sane population, but the Canadian system has serious flaws. The lines are not a problem as the priority goes to those who need it first. It is however underfunded and understaffed. That's no reflection on anything other than its underfunded and understaffed, and does not negate the concept of gov't health insurance. Most of what Stossel says here are just lies. He's a master of fudged figures.
indoctus41 1 year ago
@indoctus41 You don't think the fact that it's underfunded/understaffed might be a SYMPTOM of government health care? If you make health care free, its demand becomes infinite.
rnecas 1 year ago
@rnecas No not at all. There are universal systems that are well funded, France being the shining star of all systems. It comes down to politics. Gov'ts don't want to properly fund the system and so there are shortfalls. Nevertheless, taking away the profit motive creates huge savings which is a lot of the cost of the US system.
indoctus41 1 year ago
@indoctus41 I'm taking a look at the French system, and it's a private/public mix. It's not like Canada. In fact, it's pretty close to the U.S. approach without the lobbying bullshit mixed in.
rnecas 1 year ago
@rnecas You need to take a closer look. Supplemental health insurance, even available in Canada, does not a US system make.
indoctus41 1 year ago
My friend's dad is an Oncologist from Canada, and he hates the Canadian health care system with a passion. His main problem with the system is many cancer patients die from waiting for treatment where time is of the essence.
nagasnharpes 1 year ago 15
@nagasnharpes It's definitely underfunded and poorly run. That is not a function of the structure of universal health care since in other places it works very well (France, Norway for instance).
indoctus41 1 year ago
Australia is got the best health care system by far. ?I have lived in Europe and in US.
thehun25 1 year ago
@biggreeneleph0nts Nice try...
rootbeer9000 1 year ago
@biggreeneleph0nts LOL u must have voted liberal. like look at that grammar "you must of" jesus, what high school did you drop out of?
rootbeer9000 1 year ago
I live in Germany and the doctors become enough money, and I think in the US doctors have to study longer (since I've been told one must have a bachelor to start studying medicine in the US)
MartirioEterno 1 year ago
@MartirioEterno they also have to work for free for 2 years after they graduate.
kubaniski 1 year ago
@kubaniski You're talking about Cuba, I assume. I was talking about the US.
MartirioEterno 1 year ago
@kubaniski no in the US, my cousin finished med school a year ago and now he's working for free at a hospital for another year to become a full doctor.
kubaniski 1 year ago
haha at least the box is oblivious to pre-existing conditions!
chrism9222 1 year ago
i live in nyc and i waited 7 months for a mri on my knee... and then another 3 months for the results.. you wait pretty long in the states too.
LordOfKnights00 1 year ago
@LordOfKnights00
wow, I live in Utah and I got in for an MRI in less than a couple weeks.
kasrkinmullet 1 year ago
FAIL...was the quality of life in Canada vs. US ever compared? There are so many uninsured in the US that suffer..I think those people would rather wait a a little longer in line to get some kind of care. John, this should be saved for your "Give Me A Break" segment.
anurre5 1 year ago
I'n Poland we do have government health care. Wanna get Magnetic Resonance?
No problem it's totally free. You just have to wait 18 months........
haken44 1 year ago
CANADIAN HEALTH CARE IS GARBAGE LONG WAITS AND INCREDIBLY HIGH COSTS THROUGH TAXES, (im canadian i know)
rootbeer9000 1 year ago
@rootbeer9000 I KNOW FUCKING BULLSHIT
gb10100 1 year ago
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I don´t know about the rest, but the the thing about the protests of the german doctors was a bit abused..
in the beginning of 2007 the gov made small change in the doctors´ payment method. So the docs protested in advance, because they feared to earn less money than before (btw they came in cars like porsche cayenne or mercedes battleships, it was a good laugh in media here). A half year later the apologize: "yes, we do earn less now, but we forgot the bonus, which make us earn more now."
ArsRegnandi 2 years ago
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ArsRegnandi 2 years ago
poppets of the system... American media fights so hard to make better places look like shit just to stick you to the system.. at least when the health care is free no one will die cuze he has no insurance.. no one will ask u about ur insurance at ER..
microduel 2 years ago
@microduel Asshole! I will not pay for you or anybody else. My health-care is my responsibility. Be a socialist somewhere else.
atchisrj1 2 years ago
you idiot canadian healthcare isn't free, you pay for it through taxes, that's why our taxes our so damn high!!!
rootbeer9000 1 year ago
i'm sorry, but i do believe that obesity IS a healthcare concern, and that preventive medicine such as exercise and a diet plan of some sort could prevent much of it not to mention thyroid medications, mental health consultation. That's all fucking healthcare related in my opinion. Hmmm, more accidents? Maybe caused by alcoholism? That could be addressed with healthcare? This is shit, and comparing free ice cream to healthcare!!?? OMG! Two totally different things!! This guy is an ass
CluppHead 2 years ago
Obesity is a self-control problem.
things like diets and exercise are already free. If obese people are still obese, it's not because they can't afford treatment.
And explain why free ice cream and free healthcare are incomparable? He was illistrating the law of supply and demand.
shamgar001 2 years ago
It's been awhile since i've watched this so bear with me. Obesity is a healthcare concern because it leads to diabetes, heart disease, and other preventable illnesses. If was something as simple as self control, than there probably would be far less people overweight. It's psychological, and could actually be biological in cases with thyroid problems. It's more of an addiction in my opinion. Any psychologist would have a huge list of reasons why somebody could be obese. It varies
CluppHead 2 years ago
The fact that it's often as simple as self-control is exactly why it's so prevalent.
I say "often" because I will acknowlage that there can be times when it's beyond another persons control, but those are teh exceptions, not the norms. Most cases, it's certainly within a person's ability to not be obese, but many people abuse the exceptions so they can say "It's a thyroid problem!" as an escape from the horrifying realization that it's their own fault.
shamgar001 2 years ago
As far as this law of supply and demand and comparing ice cream and healthcare, it's ridiculous. They think that once healthcare is free that everyone is going to storm the hospitals. Which just isn't true. I was in the military for 5 yrs, 2 of which I worked in a military hospital. Which is, socialized medical care. Nobody was storming the damn hospital for healthcare. I do think that there will be more at first. But nothing to cause a collapse, if anything it would stimulate jobs
CluppHead 2 years ago
Just because there's more work to be done doesn't mean it will stiumulate jobs. Canada actually has fewer doctor per patient. Making something free only increases consumption.
the laws of supply and demand are the same for every product. Health care is a good, just like any other. Even now, when people have insurance pay for everything, they ask for extra services.
shamgar001 2 years ago
They ask for extra services because they know that insurance will pay for it. If they did socialize health care they would deem those extra services as "elective" which would basically means if it's not a necessary procedure than they would pay out of pocket for it. Just like the military. It turns to more of a philosophical view at some point where we need to take care of everybody equally in the country. No one person should have more right to receive treatment.
CluppHead 2 years ago
I don't really understand the concern of people and socializing healthcare. Do they feel that some people are more deserving than others? I mean, i'm a Iraqi war vet with no access to healthcare because i'm out of the military. Does that mean that if I get sick that i should pay more? Am I less deserving of treatment?
CluppHead 2 years ago
So why not apply that logic to food. Under our system, people get food according to their ability to pay for it. If everyone deserves equally to eat, should the government control that industry also?
shamgar001 2 years ago
Ummm... the government issues food stamps for those who cannot acquire adequate food.
CluppHead 2 years ago
the problem with canada is not the health care system. I love how they avoid the fact that canada has an issue letting immigrants work university work. meaning immigrants normally can't teach or become doctors because the 1 year courses and testing cost too much. if immigrants would be allowed to work in these fields thenthere would be a completly different idea. The doctors get paid well, the quality of health care is good. the only problem is the shortage because we avoid letting them work
Catacipige 2 years ago 3
i give up on america. your media is totally full of shit. i am british and the part on britain is laughable
BooRadley007 2 years ago
HEY ! get Michel Savage off the banned list !
realhxq 2 years ago
So where can I find good info On britains health care system? I would like to see.
nero8289 2 years ago
you really have to come here and see it for yourself, i suppose. i have had no bad experiences with it myself. i have to book an appointment to see my doc today. i am hoping to see him today, but i might have to wait until tomorrow, at the latest. you can't trust the media as they all have an agenda, (maybe i have an agenda) but i would say that everything michael moore said about the NHS was true, even if he did not mention some of the negative things, which i think are only very minor.
BooRadley007 2 years ago
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nero8289 2 years ago
And you have to understand that a lot of what you hear about the US system is false. I have worked in an emergency room in the US for quite some time and just because people dont have insurance does not stop them from geting every treatment that is available to some one with insurance. that includes follow up care, medications, physical therapy, surgery and so on and so on. Who pays for it? Americans with insurance pick up for the debt with their increasing insurance rates.
N417MA 2 years ago
this guy makes a lot of sense. sure, insurance companies aren't great, but imo, universal healthcare is even worse. it will result in one of two things: horrible (but cheap) care, or quality care that will bankrupt the gov't. you should use the free market solution (basically, let all doctors, medicine companies, and insurance companies compete with each other).
gameragodzilla 2 years ago
i think the problem is , is that there are good points on both sides , I Do not want Reform as much as i want a compromise .
realhxq 2 years ago
uummm how many cats and dogs are there in toronto, and how many people?? of course we have to wait a month u retard, there are things that i agree with this reporter but then there are other things that i higly disagree, did he also mention the reason why we have such long lines here in Canada is because of a shortage of doctors? due to the government paying them less than US pays their doctors so they run to the US and other countries? to many variables behind the health care.
S2000fred 2 years ago
canada also SPENDS much less per capita on health care. if they spent as much as the US, things would be far more efficient than the US system.
emcitymisfit 2 years ago
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John Stossel is full of it in this piece...a typical reporter.
davidperi 2 years ago
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John Stossel's an idiot. He keeps saying free free free government will pay for it. No. In England, they take out a certain amount from YOUR PAYCHECK that is exclusively for the NHS. This is deceiving bullshit. You DO pay for the NHS.
tweetiethom 2 years ago
From 3:04-3:08, What a douchbag thing to say. He pretty much just says "you're fat to michael moore".
KainenDarkley 2 years ago
3:10 I find it far more silly that Moore basically says that people die because they worry about paying the doctor.
Damndrrtyapes 2 years ago
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Canada is better...it always has been and always will be.
HBBOT 2 years ago
high five~~! lol
curvaciousMammi 2 years ago
Nope, lolintro1 is not the only one. I don't know where the US Media digs up all these people who don't like the system but everyone I know wouldn't have it any other way! The Canadian health system has looked after my children for 20 years and quite well at that, and all for free. No complaints here! Its not the end all and its certainly not perfect, but its better than going bankrupt when you get sick.
stiltzca33 2 years ago
At this point, this information is common knowledge to anyone who isn't an Oprah watching, Obama zombie. This is reality folks. WAKE THE HELL UP.
KeeKo432 2 years ago 2
i live in canada and trust me its better here
lolointro1 2 years ago
You're the ONLY person from Canada who I've ever heard say that.
KeeKo432 2 years ago 11
i think this explains why british teeth are so terrible
mttmtmtm 2 years ago 28
This fucking Jhon Stossel is really so stupid he's as smart as bush brain capacity (not excistined)
nickisschoot 2 years ago
Maybe if the government was paying for our health insurance, they would think twice before approving drugs that can be dangerous to us, or allowing products and chemicals which are harmful to us. Sure, we all have more car accidents and kill each other more in the US. That's just explains how stupid we all are.
joemann797 2 years ago
The government should still control the health care regardless. I'd rather have the government have control rather than insurance companies. Sure, we will be packed, and stuff.... I'm sure if the government was getting the money of the insurance companies were getting, they would be paying out 100% or at least close to 100% of the money out to hospitals. Doctors and hospitals wouldn't have to waste so much time writing out bills, ect. You can compensate by charging more taxes.
joemann797 2 years ago
utter bullshit, reminds me of the old communist demagogue films about other nations made up problems to cover our ass. BTW, I live in Hungary, where the NHS also sucks in a way, but if you are ill, you will be well cared for regardless of your (we have 3 choices only though) insurance policies.
blondecat666 2 years ago
And this guy is a stupid fuck. Dental care in Canada (at least Ontario) is not included in our health care. And he tries to make a point against it using that? What an idiot.
doggietown 3 years ago
murder rate and car accidents explains why americans live 5 years less than we do in France ?! I can't believe this or ... I shall admit that the US is a fucking 3 world country.
In France we have fully socialized medicine and guess what ... you don't wait more than a week for a MRI. And that's IF it's NOT an emergency. True, you have to wait 6 months to see an ophtalmologist but guess what : 99% of them work in privately-owned businesses ...
redguard12 3 years ago 3
That is FULL lies ! Doctors in France never went on strike because the government pays them less. In fact, most of the french doctors are not payed by the government. And the ones that are NEVER saw their paicheck go down. Doctors went on strike because the government reduced the allowance of public hospitals thus reducing the number of employees (ie doctors) available to take care of patients. They went on strike to defend the quality of the healthcare system not to get better wages.
redguard12 3 years ago 3
If you actually do a search about French doctors striking over pay, you'll be shown your error- it happened in 2002 and that was just the first article that popped up.
paolung 2 years ago
Yes surgeons did do that I know ...
But the point is not that they are badly paid (wich is false) but that they are too demanding ;)
redguard12 2 years ago
The cues in the UK dental service are caused NOT because of the National Health Service, but because of the part privatisation of the dental service causing a huge incentive for British dentists to become private in the pursuit of profit.
I live in the UK and haven't seen a dentist in 5 years because all of the dentists in my area are private. There are no NHS dentists in my town accepting new patients.
The fix for this is to properly, FULLY nationalise the UK dental health service!
rustymcnally 3 years ago 3
The NHS hospitals being forced to cut costs by not washing sheets are mostly victims of the Private Finance Initiative or "PFI". This is where a private company builds the hospital, provides the staff for cleaning, maintenence and security. It looks good in the short term because the NHS pays nothing and gets a brand new hospital. However the hospital is then forced to pay rent on the property that it operates in, rent that costs much more than the original cost for building the hospital.
rustymcnally 3 years ago 2
This forces the level of care down. Allong with government cuts to fund things like illegal wars in the middle east and billion pound baillouts for banks with bad business practice.
The private companies who are incharge of the cleaning, are driven by profit, therefore any cutbacks to the level of cleaning are at a profit to them. The way to increase the standard of cleaning in hospitals in the UK is to...FULLY nationalise the cleaning services for UK hospitals!
rustymcnally 3 years ago
lmao 18 weeks?!?!!? I wonder how many people die because they dont have the luxury of 18 weeks to wait for a critical operation
ForTehNguyen 3 years ago
What's funny is that as a British person I recieve healthcare as soon as I get to a hospital, provided I actually need it then. I've had some pretty nasty cuts and scrapes (read:needing stitches), but when I get to a hospital it's straight to a doctor if still bleeding and a half hour wait if I'm not. A half hour wait isn't so bad if you pay far proportionaly less than an american with health insurance.
joethepro36 3 years ago
Great, so if you have a wound that is non life threatening, you're taken care of, but if you have a terminal illness, you're screwed.
RebelWrestler45 3 years ago
In America you're screwed too if you have a terminal illness. When your insurance coverage reaches the standard $million cap, you're out the hospital door - or you loose evrything in bankruptcy for uncovered medical bills - or worse, you simply do without treatment and die.
It's a fact that America spends more per person than any other country on medical, yet many do without and our longevity rates are dismal.
I don't know how we will craft a national coverage, but the need for it is plain.
macpduff 3 years ago
Stossel is reporting the distorted views of the Cato Institute. It is highly selective and highly biased. Canadians had the same health care system as the US until a few decades ago. Ask yourself why successive governments there under conservative rule are not scrapping their government funding of health care. Canadians know how bad it is in America and how good it is in Canada. Its Stossel's journalism that is "shocking" IMHO
hauskalainen 3 years ago
He's actually criticizing both systems
Christ724 3 years ago
Read stuff from Cato... he gets nearly all his material from there. Its biased. And lazy. And bad journalism IMHO. One could be forgiven for thinking that they paid him (or the program researchers) to say these things. Most journalists look to both sides. The stuff he says about the UK is mostly nonsense. Nobody has to pull their own teeth with pliers!
hauskalainen 3 years ago 2
All of this is depends on individual perception and experience. why make profit? for the survival of individual? so the theory of Darwin is true - the survival of the fittest.
The theory of manipulation, human manipulate each other to gain profit for their own survival. on the other hand human also manipulated by their own thought and idea sometime the idea is contradicts each other. Every relevant thinking or perception form by the mind is some kind of manipulation. All just delusional.
pr0gm3r 3 years ago
People wait in America too. I had to had to wait for an MRI for my shoulder for 3 months. I would rather get some care than NONE and be thousands in debt and losing everything I own
soph7133 3 years ago
As a Canadian, I approve this report.Canada needs a private/public system.
Ledoux202 3 years ago
Wait 6 months and get it free. OR never have the money for it and NEVER get it.
agrigoat 3 years ago
Come on. There are plenty of services provided by government and there isn't a run on using these services! Americans don't drive up and down our free roads, commit crimes, set their houses on fire - just because our roads, police, and fire depts are free. We've found over time that certain services are best NOT privatized. Private police or private fire depts went out with Renaisance Italy and Colonial America. It's time for health care/health payment to be de-privatized also.
macpduff 3 years ago
I agree, government has done so well with the DMV and FEMA, I'm ready to give them control of my health too.
RebelWrestler45 3 years ago
Right now America has a for profit medical system and this is unacceptable.
RebelWrestler45; For your sake, and your family's sake, I hope that you're either very very rich, or very poor - because those are the only 2 groups in America today who are assured of getting proper medical care. If your dependent on a job for medical insurance and to pay your bills when a catastrophe hits, - you're scr*wed.
macpduff 3 years ago
A for profit medical system drives down prices, The problem is with insurance company composition, not the medical system itself. I'd rather go into debt to save my own life, than to be completely screwed, whether I am rich or poor, if I have a serious illness. If I have a cancerous tumor, I don't want to wait a year for surgery, until its too late.
RebelWrestler45 3 years ago
Hmm, well macpduff, it would seem that your opinion is not shared by the majority of people who have insurance and are happy with it. Close to 80%, as I recall. And most of them, guess what, AREN'T "very rich, or very poor".
paolung 2 years ago
paolung; Oh?, does that include the unemployed, most of whom are uninsured because they can't afford their COBRA Copays? ?
Poll questions can and are written to achieve the desired results of the pollster. I'd be interested in poll results of insured Americans whose hospital bills have just put them over their Million $ cap, or treatment denied due to a 'pre-existing condition'.
Did this 'yellow journalism' video really air on 20/20?
macpduff 2 years ago
macpduff- no, if you read what I wrote, I said "the majority of people who HAVE insurance and are happy with it", which by definition excludes those who do not (in your example of people who cannot afford COBRA copays).
The reality is that people who can't afford insurance can't afford NOT to have insurance. The reason the insurance is so expensive for some is that they're going to cost a boatload of money to treat- high risk = higher cost. That's how insurance works.
paolung 2 years ago
Pre-existing conditions get turned down for the same reason that people who have cancer can't get insurance- too risky.
Believe me, you WANT your insurance company to turn those people down. If they go under, NO ONE'S claims get paid. The best insurance companies provide the best services, manage the risk pool, and turn a decent profit. That's their job. They employ some very smart people to calculate risks (actuaries) and determine just how much they can take on. Think about it!
paolung 2 years ago