@lucy9359 I do agree that woman and men are one flesh when they come together. however woman now have rights thanks to Jesus Christ and so what do you do with the woman who loves sex and wants it every day she will be deprived because it says to give her the due affection due to her. unlike most idiots like yourself think woman who are loved by one husband have strong sex drives that is how their bodies work. It is plainly unkind to have more than one wife. It caused fights continued
@lucy9359 on that note having to be married to an ugly looking creepy pig like yourself you would need more than one wife because you would kill any woman's sex drive :)
I'm not a Christian but I am definitely going to subscribe to you. I assume people gave your videos thumbs down because they're too stuck with their baseless values which they can't glorify on a scale of pros and cons.
1st sorry about the duplicate comments i was getting my oil changed but now im on my phone. 2nd call me dumb but ur last comment sounded more like a riddle than an answer to me but like i said call me dumb. 3rd when do u decide to use the new testament and when do you decide to use the old? I mean the way you think and take things literally its almost as if to say thou shall not kill means if you step on a bug u broke a commandment.
I believe everything in the old testament unless it is ammended by either jesus or paul. Like the old testament say to stone an adulterous woman but jesus said he who is with out sin cast the first stone. Which means no one is righteous enough to condmn anyone to death for any reason. If it is not ammended in the NT then it still apllies.
that a wife doesnt have the right to divorce her husband because it doesnt say. well in that case in leviticus when it says a man shall not lie with a man as he lays with a woman, that means that being lesbian is ok. also u keep refering to rev 22 but the key word in that verse is PROPHECY. if any man takes away from the PROPHECY. u cant take things out of context to suit yourself its dishonest
@sixthheretic so would you also venture to say that if you fear that your wife has been unfatihful that it would be proper to feed her dust mixed with water?? ( Num 5: 11-35 i think) i mean really, if you say that being lesbian is ok why is it not ok for a man to lie with another man as he lays with a woman? these are valid questions that any thinking person should ask why would got grant homosexuality to a woman but not to a man. I mean after all the men are the patriarchs of the family??
Matt.19[9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery:
I would just divorce her.
The reason a man can not lie with a man as he lies with a woman is because God says it is a sin. Sorry if these answers are not to your liking. I just believe the bible. Not men not my culture and definiatly not the church.
ok so i dont believe in polygany so i will admit that i have havent opened a concord regarding this. i will say in Gen 2 i believe its says that a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and its not plural. also in regards to divorce by your argument you say...
@blackprincess212006 Jesus said that we are all one with him and it is not plural either. In the bible some one of lesser authority can be one with somone of higher authority and no one else. However those of higher authority can be one with many of lesser authority.
I dont think so. A wife is bound to her husband as long as he liveth. That restriction dosent exsist for husbands. If a woman has sex with any man other then her husband she commits adultery
No it is because a woman only needs one man to reach her reproductive potential. while a mans reproductive potential is only limited by how many females he mates with
[5] If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
Just because the patriarchs did something don't make it right, this is flat out crap. Your twisting the bible to suit your own lust. Polygamy is adultery-Matthew 19, Matt 5, etc.
[9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall PUT AWAY HIS WIFE, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
The sin here is divorce not polygyny. If he did not divorce and married another there would be no sin.
matt 5 uses the word gune which is used for married woman yet in 1cor 7 it is not a sin to behave unseemingly with a parthenos which is virgin. lust is only a sin with wives.
Now I will show you where you are wrong and how you are wrong. The Timothy passages.
Mias refers to one. It is a feminine conjugation of the greek word eis. In the text it is the feminine conjugation because of the female word gune (goo-nay), which means woman.
The word protos means first in the Greek. Because "mias" appears in the Greek text of the Timothy passages and NOT protos, it is not referring to the first of many wives. It is referring to one wife, and one wife alone.
@sixthheretic If Paul meant the first of many, he would not have used the word "mias". He would have used the word "protos". It makes much more sense to use "first" instead of "protos". The way it appears in the Greek, it would need to be protos. Mias is conjugated because of the word gune (women), which is a female word. Thus, a feminine form of eis is needed. Make sense?
I could see how you might misinterpret this, though.
@sixthheretic I do not believe that mias would need to be translated as first because mias is the conjugation of eis, which means "one". It is conjugated as mias because the word eis in this text is applied to a feminine word, gune, or gunaikos as it appears in the text. Because there is a word for first, which is protos, the word protos would appear if Paul meant the first of many, not simply "one" conjugated to fit the feminine word.
@sixthheretic : according to your wife's posts on Biblical Families Women's Forum, you have been very deceptive regarding your "polygyny"
You told your wife of your interest in polygyny while she was pregnant - and you had a clandestine affair while she was pregnant as well, in addition to emailing another woman clandestinely while she was pregnant. You aren't honest, and you were not supportive of her during her pregnancy. Why would any woman want a selfish, immature dishonest man like you ?
1. I found out about polygyny when she was pregnant.
2. I was unsure what the parameters for be a polygynist were and I did go about it in a improper fashion.
3. I have no idea why a woman would want a selfish immature dishonest man like myself. But I am hopeful.
My wife is furious about your lack of respect for her privacy by posting this. Yes she has trouble with the idea of polygany but I know she would never want this information posted. If she did she would have done it.
No I would say that she is mad at you. I asked her If I could use our problems as a source for a video and she said she doesnt even want to be seen on my vids so I would say she is made at you
@sixthheretic : I would suggest that you read your wife's comments on the PUBLIC (NOT PRIVATE) women's forum on Biblical Families website. Your wife's feelings regarding your "misadventures" in polygyny are made plain there. Apparently no one else on the forum approved of your behavior either. Continue to delude yourself.
Scriptures edify Scriptures, so let's look more on the subject.
Matthew 19:1-9, Mark 10:2-12 in the account of the gospel it speaks of woman putting away their husband. IN BOTH ACCOUNT Jesus refers back to genesis (the beginning) and given the account of the creation of man and woman. Here we have the first marriage as God intended, one man with one woman. What God allows and what he ordain are not the always the same thing. David and Solomon lives should be a warn not to have lots of wives.
Sorry matt 19:1-9 speaks of a man putting away his wife not the other way around as does mark 10:2-12. However there is some thing in matt in19[9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. So here only a man can divorce his wife for fornication but nowhere does it say a woman can. Why is that? In the bible bigamy is not condemned.
"10And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
11And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery."
NOTE verse 12. Jesus was making it clear that divorce in any case except for fornication was wrong. He also gave the intent God plan of marriage, one man and one woman as in the beginning
So what the verse says is if the man did not put away his first wife and married another (he then would have two wives) then he would not have commited adultery,
That does not contradict polygamy. Just dont divorce any of your wives and you can get more.
Only the husband can divorce from the biblical persepctive. You quoted the verse yourself. and it says in multiple places that the woman is bound to her husband as long as he liveth. If a man lie with a harlot they become one flesh. Women can only have one husband but the bible allow for as many as you can provide for. exodus 21:10 A man can not divorce unless the woman sleeps with another man but the woman is bound to the husband until he dies.
Hey you got a lot of valid points when it comes to marriage concerning age, it's biblically sound, scientifically as in nature correct, and logically.
Polygamy however God may allow it, but his will as in the beginning (Genesis) is for one man with one woman; Jesus even refers to this.
Exodus 21:10 the book of law is for Israel the nation and gone.
What I ment was that only a man can divorce and still remarry with out commiting adultery. Since it is only the woman that is bound to the husband for as long as he lives. The husband is not bound to the wife. He can marry as many women as he can support but if he divorces any of them he can no longer marry.
I find it funny that you find my oppinion on marring age accurate biologically speaking but not polygamy. Woman have a reproductive cap but men do not. Polygyny makes sense
"I find it funny that you find my oppinion on marring age accurate biologically speaking but not polygamy. "
I didn't just look at biologically, i look at it scripturally first and foremost and it seem that man marry at later ages, to young woman. Abraham for example is 10 years different from Sarah.
Tell me what care/love does polygamy show for your wife, when she will have to compete for your attention and time with another? Jesus made it clear in his reference to the Genesis.
If we follow your example that a wife shouldnt have to compate for her husbands attention. Then so to A child should not have to compeate for a mothers attention. And every family should only have one child to avoid jealousy. Did you know that god also made it clear that multiple wives is a gift and a blessing given to men by God. 2sam 12:8
Enough going back and forth on this matter. Yes polygamy happen in the Bible, No it was not God intention in the Beginning, if it was he would have made Adam Eve, and Susan, but but he made one man and made one woman for that man; and this is what Jesus the Son of God refers to when he speaks of marriage.
Ex 21:10 The Book of Law of Moses, these are laws concerning Israel nation and has faded away. Those that practice polygamy bring to question if they love their wive(s) or self?
@Xeonxtreme Not only is it in the old testament Jesus uses polygamy as a parable to show who were the 5 wise and who were the five foolish. Also you have shownThat a man can never marry again if the divorces his wife but No were does it say that he can not marry with out divorceing his first wife. The New testament doesnt contradict the old nor should it. If the old testament supports it and the newtestament supports it what is your deal?
"Jesus uses polygamy as a parable to show who were the 5 wise and who were the five foolish." When Jesus use that example he wasn't focusing on marriage between male and female (mankind), he was talking about the Kingdom of heaven, and the parable is to show that some will be wise and ready will others will miss out.
You want to know God intent from the Beginning ready Genesis1:26-28, 2:18-25, and Jesus upon the subject of marriage in Mark 10:2-12.
Adultery is when a man sleeps with a married woman. The FLDS is right on this account but is off on pretty much everything else. The best forgeries look the most like the real thing.It is biblical to have multiple wives but it is not wise to convert to mormonisum.
[23] And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
The verse you refrence is the only time that the holy spirit has a maculine pronoun. The reason is is both the comforter and the spirit of truth will be men one called out by jesus the other choosen of God.
Paul is a disciple of jesus. jesus prophesied that he would send us a comforter. and in acts jesus appeared unto paul on the way to demascus. If you want to point finger at a false prophet of God I could take a swing at the muslims prophet. If that sounds unsavory to you then play nice and stop name calling and keep this debate friendly.
I thought Paul was pretty clear in 1 Cor. 7:2 "But because of immoralities, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband." I know the whole passage is about marrying to avoid sin, but I think it still speaks to one man, one wife. Maybe you see something I don't. Im not sure if someone already brought this up and I just can't find it.
We have to be carefull not to add to the word. No were in here does it talk about a number of wives a man can have. It is just about useing marriage as a means to avoid immoralities. Sexual imorality is looking upon a nieghbors Wife with lust in his heart but it also says in the same chapter that behave uncomly towards a virgin is not a sin. Never is the qualifier of "unless your already married" added. We are not to add to scripture.
Deut17:14,16-17 Mat19:3-10 two become 1 & if either lay ie marry another they commit adultery Mar10:6-12 confirms & est. a woman can divorce due two adulteryGen4:19Cain seed disinherited by God was the 1st to have 2wives Luke17:26-30this worlds as wickked as the 1 flooded w/same deeds ie multi wivesGen2:22-24 two become 1 Act17:29-30 Psalm103:10 God is married to 1 Church our EXAMPLE. Peace
@deut17:14-17 The word multiply is the word "rabah" which is to make abundant. which goes against the verse all things in moderation. But God said that if David wanted more wive then what he had then God would have given more over these things. (2sam12:7-8) So solomon would have multiplied but david did not.
@mat19:3-10 I am one spirit with jesus just as you are and we are called the bride of christ. therefore jesus is spiritually polygamous. see 10 virgins mat 25
@mar10:6-12 Again just because a man and woman are one flesh it doesnt mean that a man can not be one flesh with more then one woman. I am one spirit with jesus a child is one flesh with her mother and a man is one flesh with his wife. Jesus is one spirit with all of us a mother is one flesh with all of her children and a man is one flesh with all of his wives.
@mar10:11-12 cont. jesus said Matt.19[9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery
If a man does not put away his wife then he can marry another. It is only when a man divorces for any other reason then fornication does adultery come into play. Wives however are bound to her husband for life. and can divorce for no reason.1Cor.7[39]
@gen4:19 Coincidental. 1Kgs.11[4] For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
Both solomon and david had multiple wives but davids heart was perfect regaurdless of wives and solomons wives corrupted him. There are godly and ungodly poly marriages.
@luke17:26 No where does it say marring wives is evil. If we interpret that scripture like you are monogamy could be included.
But in Isa.4
[1] And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
Having multiple wives is a blessing and takes away the reproach of sinful women.
@gen2:22-24 a man does become one flesh with his wife just as all christians become one spirit with jesus (again see 10 virgins)
@act17:29-30 We are the offspring of God and jesus has made us so. We are the wives of christ. other then that I dont see what else about this verse is relavant. it concerns idols and the worship of graven images.
@ psalms 103:10 I see no bearing to any type of marriage in this verse. It has to do with sin and gods attitude towards it.
sixthheretic. the bridegroom is Jesus and hes talking of the day of his return. not marriage. the women that were there with oil in their lampstand were ready for jesus and got taken the others weren't ready as jesus says to be and got left behind. cross refrence with one can't fast while the bridegroom is still present, for there will be a time when he will no longer be. Fasting was a form of mourning the messiah. Having the oil ready in their lamps just meant they want Jesus.
@stephensanchez5271 Jesus is useing Plural marriage to ten virgins as his parable. Study the culture and customs of the times and it should hopefully open your eyes to some things that your education apparently has been lacking.
If a man has nine wives in nine months he has nine children.
If a woman has nine husbands and in nine months she will have one child.
Biologically it doesnt work and is probably why female polygamy with multiple husbands is so rare. And this is also why polygamy with women haveing more then one husband is not sanctioned by god.
yep she can remarry but she can not be at fault and must remain the example of a godly woman who is submisive in all things until he leaves.
1Pet.3
[1] Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
If the wife is at fault then she can not remarry ever again.
Mark.10
[12] And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
the difference between adultery and fornication is adultery is when a woman sleeps with another man other then her husband or when a man sleeps with a woman that is married. Fornication is when a man sleeps with a woman with out makeing a lifetime commitment to her. If the man abandons the wife and he is an unbeliever she is set free from the law and can remarry. But I must stress that the unbeliever must be the one to leave the believer can not be at fault. If she leaves she can never remarry.
The law states that am man can only have one legal wife. But according to god a woman is bound to her husband as long as he liveth. And they become one flesh when they have sex. There is no law that says a man can have sex with or live with other women he just can only have one marriage certificate.
@TracyChristian Adultery is NOT illegal in the united states. In some states there are old laws on the books that would require you to pay a fee of 10 dollars. Also since 1965 there have been many cases put up in front of the Supreme Court arguing that adultery is not illegal and that being arrested for it is against your constitutional right to privacy. It is however illegal in the middle east and some parts of asia with a sentence of death.
Say hello to my wife. She knows alot huh. She has just made me aware that the only countries that prosecute adultery are the middle eastern ones and then only prosecute wives that cheat on their husbands. How do you like them apples.
The Holy Bible may not say polygamy or polygyny is wrong or sinful, however, it doesn't get into the specifics of many things to say whether they're right or wrong. This is why having the Word of God in your heart is so important; to have the character of God and be Christ-like, to discern the word, because scripture can't get into the specifics of everything; discernment is a must.
Continued... 1 Corinthians 6 (American Standard Version) 12 All things are lawful for me; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful for me; but I will not be brought under the power of any. 1 Corinthians 10 (American Standard Version) 23 All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify.
Romans 14 (American Standard Version) 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge ye this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock in his brother's way, or an occasion of falling. 14 I know, and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean of itself: save that to him who accounteth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 For if because of meat thy brother is grieved, thou walkest no longer in love. Destroy not with thy meat him for whom Christ died.
19 So then let us follow after things which make for peace, and things whereby we may edify one another. 20 Overthrow not for meat's sake the work of God. All things indeed are clean; howbeit it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21 It is good not to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor to do anything whereby thy brother stumbleth.
1 Corinthians 8 (American Standard Version) 9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to the weak. 10 For if a man see thee who hast knowledge sitting at meat in an idol's temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be emboldened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11 For through thy knowledge he that is weak perisheth, the brother for whose sake Christ died.
12 And thus, sinning against the brethren, and wounding their conscience when it is weak, ye sin against Christ. 13 Wherefore, if meat causeth my brother to stumble, I will eat no flesh for evermore, that I cause not my brother to stumble.
I didn't say God doesn't allow it, I quoted scripture saying, "All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify."
You also have to ask yourself, do you think Jesus would have had multiple wives? Do you think he would have thought it expedient or edifying to have more than one?
As Paul, the apostle of Jesus wrote in 1 Corinthians 7:
"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote: It is good for a man not to touch a woman."
"But I would have you to be free from cares. He that is unmarried is careful for the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord: but he that is married is careful for the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and is divided."
"And this I say for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is seemly, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction."
That is right it is his oppinion and not a commandment of God. I worship paul not god so I will do my will in accordance to the limitations that god has set up. I will not be condemned if god will not condemn me.
How does your wife feel about this? Have you even asked her? Does SHE want you to have another wife, and especially a younger wife, which most likely any other wife you get will be? If your wife had a good friend that needed a husband and she loved her friend very much and wanted to invite her to be part of your family, that would be more understandable, if the decision were up to her, but it sounds like the choice is yours for the most part.
"...and likewise also the husband hath not power over his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other, except it be by consent for a season...1 Cor 7:4-5"
"Let no man seek his own, but each his neighbor's good. 1 Cor 10:24"
I, and obviously many others, feel it's greatly disrespectful to your wife (and her children) to be not only seeking another wife, but to be doing it publicly. People ask in their minds, "Is his wife not fulfilling enough for him? Is he not satisfied with his current wife? Why does he desire another?".
Do you really think God wants you teaching this? It's one thing if it's your own stumbling block, i don't think God will "condemn" you for it, though it probably won't make him "well pleased", but to teach and actually encourage others to do something that doesn't PLEASE God???
"Now we that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let each one of us please his neighbor for that which is good, unto edifying. For Christ also pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell upon me. Romans 15:1-3"
"And he said unto all, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. Luke 9:23"
"For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would...If we live by the Spirit, by the Spirit let us also walk. Gal 5:17&25"
"For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Romans 8:5"
"He that is unmarried is careful for the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord: but he that is married is careful for the things of the world, how he may please his wife...the woman that is unmarried and the virgin is careful for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married is careful for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 1 Cor 7:32-34"
Not only that, but since you've put yourself in the place of a teacher of the word, you should also be living according to the standards God gives to teachers of the word, such as: "If a man seeketh the office of a bishop...The bishop therefore must be without reproach, the husband of one wife 1 Tim 3:1-2" & "Let deacons be husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well 1 Tim 3:12"
You've gone beyond the role of deacon. After all, not only are you publicly saying, "this is what these bible verses mean", but christians are asking you questions, and you're giving them advice; both personal & spiritual. Shouldn't that role be reserved for the elect? Do you consider yourself one of God's elect? If so, again, you should be abiding by the precepts outlined in the bible for the elect/leaders of the body of Christ.
Do you consider yourself elect since you have come onto my channel challenging my doctrine and giving advice. If you do then I dont see why I cant be considered elect as well.
You should check your greek here. The word heis can be either translated as first or one. The bible can not contradict itself. To translate heis as "one" would contradict exodus 21:10 but if a man must be the husband of a FIRST wife then this would not contradict all of the other refrences to all of the men of god who god allowed to have more then one wife nor would it invalidate Jesus when he gave the parable of the ten virgins.
I took your suggestion and checked the Greek again. I think you mean MIA can be translated as both ONE or FIRST? Mia can mean 'one', 'only one', 'someone' OR 'first'. But if you think 'one' in verses 1Tim3:2, 1Tim3:12 & Tit1:6 actually means first (and that this is the only right translation), could you please better explain how this would apply by putting it into better context. "The husband of first wife"???
I would interpret this as meaning that they REMAIN married to their first wife, not getting divorced or remarried (except for in the case of their wife dying). Even if it was translated "a FIRST-wife man", that still in no way indicates that there should be any other wives beyond that first wife. So could you please also explain how, in this context, it is saying that an elder can be the husband of more than one wife AT A TIME?
I would suspect that the Greek word Mia is used in this verse to refer to 'one' rather than the Greek word heis partly because it is better for the ONE wife to also be the FIRST wife and the ONLY wife. This would give a singular word a double and deeper meaning (that would be my personal interpretation of it).
Not to mention that NAS & Strong's Concordances both say mia is the feminine form of heis. (Also note that 1Tim5:9 is translated as heis when referring to a husband rather than mia when referring to a wife in the other verses.)
Also, if you're using Christ's spiritual marriage to each of God's people as an example of having individual relationships with MANY carnal wives in the same sense, why do NOT both the bride of Christ verses and the elders' wives verses use the same word, mia, to describe these relationships?
Instead, heis, translated as the numerical one is used when referring to Christ's relationship to the church, and mia, translated as FIRST, as you say, is used to describe the relationship with a wife? Shouldn't they both use the same word if they have the same meaning?
Rom 12:5 so we, who are many, are one(heis) body in Christ, and severally members one of another.
Joh 17:11 And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one(heis), even as we are.
Mat 19:5 and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one(mia) flesh?
Also, translating Mia as ONE would not contradict Exo 21:10 nor any other reference to God allowing men to have multiple wives in the bible because: 1. The commandment to only have ONE wife was not given until later, and 2. That commandment only applies to elders (some of which may have already had multiple wives before becoming saved).
And i'm not sure what exactly you're referring to when you say, "nor would it invalidate Jesus when he gave the parable of the ten virgins", unless you're referring to Christ's marriage with the bridegroom such as in John 17:11 "that they may be one(heis)", which actually used a different word(heis) than the verse saying elders should only be the husband of one(mia) wife, so that again does not contradict (though i personally believe heis and mia are the same word).
The verse you quoted here is not a commandment of the lord only Pauls oppinion of what a man should do.
1cor7[25] Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
[35] And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I do not care what people think I teach and do the least of Gods commandments with out adding to or subtracting from scripture so that I might be great in the kingdom of heaven.
[15] And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
No christian should care what those that will not submit themselves unto the will of god. I serve god not you or any one else. My wife submits to me not me to her.
I wasn't questioning YOUR personal beliefs; as i said, i don't think anyone would necessarily be condemned by God for having more than one wife. What i care about is the truth of the word.
My wife doesnt want me to have another wife but if you wanted another child and the first child didnt want you to have one would you let the child usurp your authority and forgo having another child or would you have the second child anyway and exspect the first child to learn how to cope with the coming sibling which would of course be younger then the first.
I don't feel it right to comment any more on the matter. I'm just wanting you to know that it's not my intent to offend you in my comments, and i'm sorry if i have.
No I am not easly offended. I in fact welcome biblical debate since it sharpens my understanding of the subject and helps all that read our discussions to gain a greater understanding of the subject matter as well.
One of our scholars told me our book was the only one to actually limit the number of wives a man can take. I was looking for proof that others didn't. Thanks.
Not a problem ... but you are not the only faith to limit how many wives a man can have. Almost all christian faiths limit men to haveing only one wife. Those are the religions that ignore the commandments of moses. in which moses says a man can have as many wives as he can provide shelter food and sex for.
LOL, Yeah our scriptures tell us that all the laws were revealed gradually beginning with Abraham up to our prophet peace be upon them all. The last part u mentioned is also there '' Shelter and food'' but he has to be extremely fair, if he can't provide one with what he provided the others, then he should just stick with the one. Peace.
Yes a husband must be extreemly fair like a parent with children. The parent must treat his children fairly and love each of them with equal portion. But God put no limitation on how many children a parent can have. Iif there is no limitation on children if their needs are being met why would there be a limitation on wives if the husband is meeting their needs too.
Yeah you can have as many children, but wives it's very difficult. I know people where I'm from with only two wives and trust me I have yet to see them being 100% fair. How many do you have, if you don't mind me asking.
do you know of any parent that is 100% fair with all of his children? It is immposible to be 100% fair but that doesn not stop families from haveing more then one child. I have one wife how many children do you have?
One wife, one daughter and number two is on the way, nope not 100% but I wasn't talking about the children, I was talking being 100% fair to the wives, as in providing the same living standard to all equally, buying stuff for all of them equally spending time with each one equally. Very difficult. Umm is the other comment for me ?
The Father(GOD) gave David another wife.
IblewuponyourfaceIII 8 months ago
@IblewuponyourfaceIII
hvhY gave david many wives. All of sauls wives were given to david after sauls death.
sixthheretic 8 months ago
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lucy9359 2 days ago
@lucy9359 I do agree that woman and men are one flesh when they come together. however woman now have rights thanks to Jesus Christ and so what do you do with the woman who loves sex and wants it every day she will be deprived because it says to give her the due affection due to her. unlike most idiots like yourself think woman who are loved by one husband have strong sex drives that is how their bodies work. It is plainly unkind to have more than one wife. It caused fights continued
lucy9359 2 days ago
@lucy9359 on that note having to be married to an ugly looking creepy pig like yourself you would need more than one wife because you would kill any woman's sex drive :)
lucy9359 2 days ago
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Incentiveful 2 months ago
@Incentiveful
That is a perfect verse. And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom"
-2 Samuel 8
sixthheretic 2 months ago
I'm not a Christian but I am definitely going to subscribe to you. I assume people gave your videos thumbs down because they're too stuck with their baseless values which they can't glorify on a scale of pros and cons.
tasneefm 10 months ago
@tasneefm You know every one has got a right to vote how they see fit. I am not a hater.
sixthheretic 10 months ago
1st sorry about the duplicate comments i was getting my oil changed but now im on my phone. 2nd call me dumb but ur last comment sounded more like a riddle than an answer to me but like i said call me dumb. 3rd when do u decide to use the new testament and when do you decide to use the old? I mean the way you think and take things literally its almost as if to say thou shall not kill means if you step on a bug u broke a commandment.
blackprincess212006 1 year ago
@blackprincess212006
I believe everything in the old testament unless it is ammended by either jesus or paul. Like the old testament say to stone an adulterous woman but jesus said he who is with out sin cast the first stone. Which means no one is righteous enough to condmn anyone to death for any reason. If it is not ammended in the NT then it still apllies.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
ok so would you also say that if you fear your wife is cheating that it would be ok to feed her water mixed with dirt as it says in numbers 5
blackprincess212006 1 year ago
@blackprincess212006
No I would just divorce her
sixthheretic 1 year ago
that a wife doesnt have the right to divorce her husband because it doesnt say. well in that case in leviticus when it says a man shall not lie with a man as he lays with a woman, that means that being lesbian is ok. also u keep refering to rev 22 but the key word in that verse is PROPHECY. if any man takes away from the PROPHECY. u cant take things out of context to suit yourself its dishonest
blackprincess212006 1 year ago
@blackprincess212006
Yeah I have no problems with lesbianism look up my vid "Why cant lesbians play baseball" Your right it is not in there
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic so would you also venture to say that if you fear that your wife has been unfatihful that it would be proper to feed her dust mixed with water?? ( Num 5: 11-35 i think) i mean really, if you say that being lesbian is ok why is it not ok for a man to lie with another man as he lays with a woman? these are valid questions that any thinking person should ask why would got grant homosexuality to a woman but not to a man. I mean after all the men are the patriarchs of the family??
blackprincess212006 1 year ago
@blackprincess212006
No I would do as it says in the NT
Matt.19[9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery:
I would just divorce her.
The reason a man can not lie with a man as he lies with a woman is because God says it is a sin. Sorry if these answers are not to your liking. I just believe the bible. Not men not my culture and definiatly not the church.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
blackprincess212006 1 year ago
ok so i dont believe in polygany so i will admit that i have havent opened a concord regarding this. i will say in Gen 2 i believe its says that a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and its not plural. also in regards to divorce by your argument you say...
blackprincess212006 1 year ago
@blackprincess212006 Jesus said that we are all one with him and it is not plural either. In the bible some one of lesser authority can be one with somone of higher authority and no one else. However those of higher authority can be one with many of lesser authority.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
This man's wife could use some brother husbands.
himmis4all 1 year ago
@himmis4all Could you elaborate this doesnt make sense
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic : Your wife could use some brother husbands if you are looking for sister wives for her.
himmis4all 1 year ago
@himmis4all
I dont think so. A wife is bound to her husband as long as he liveth. That restriction dosent exsist for husbands. If a woman has sex with any man other then her husband she commits adultery
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic : That wouldn't be because a man wrote the book, would it ???
himmis4all 8 months ago
@himmis4all
No it is because a woman only needs one man to reach her reproductive potential. while a mans reproductive potential is only limited by how many females he mates with
sixthheretic 8 months ago
@sixthheretic : That assumes that a man is fertile. If he isn't, a woman clearly needs brother husbands.
himmis4all 8 months ago
@himmis4all
Actually hvhY provides for that.
Deut.25
[5] If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
Yet again polygyny is the answer
sixthheretic 8 months ago
@sixthheretic : And by the time the woman's husband dies, she is infertile. No answers there.
himmis4all 8 months ago
@himmis4all
1tim5:9-16
If a widow is under sixty she should remarry. Polygyny is a form of wellfare. It takes care of the widows.
sixthheretic 8 months ago
@sixthheretic : That wouldn't be because a man wrote the book, would it ???
himmis4all 8 months ago
@himmis4all
It is that way because it is hvhY will
sixthheretic 8 months ago
@sixthheretic : "God's Will as channeled by a MAN
himmis4all 8 months ago
Just because the patriarchs did something don't make it right, this is flat out crap. Your twisting the bible to suit your own lust. Polygamy is adultery-Matthew 19, Matt 5, etc.
YESHUAISMERCIFUL 1 year ago
@YESHUAISMERCIFUL
[9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall PUT AWAY HIS WIFE, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
The sin here is divorce not polygyny. If he did not divorce and married another there would be no sin.
matt 5 uses the word gune which is used for married woman yet in 1cor 7 it is not a sin to behave unseemingly with a parthenos which is virgin. lust is only a sin with wives.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
Now I will show you where you are wrong and how you are wrong. The Timothy passages.
Mias refers to one. It is a feminine conjugation of the greek word eis. In the text it is the feminine conjugation because of the female word gune (goo-nay), which means woman.
The word protos means first in the Greek. Because "mias" appears in the Greek text of the Timothy passages and NOT protos, it is not referring to the first of many wives. It is referring to one wife, and one wife alone.
LadyHae 1 year ago
@LadyHae
That is interesting ... So "mia" can never be used in the bible to be translated as first? Are you sure?
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic If Paul meant the first of many, he would not have used the word "mias". He would have used the word "protos". It makes much more sense to use "first" instead of "protos". The way it appears in the Greek, it would need to be protos. Mias is conjugated because of the word gune (women), which is a female word. Thus, a feminine form of eis is needed. Make sense?
I could see how you might misinterpret this, though.
LadyHae 1 year ago
@LadyHae In my response, I meant to say "it makes much more sense to use protos (first) than mias (one)." Sorry about that.
LadyHae 1 year ago
@LadyHae
But you do concede that "mia" could be translated first? Are there places in the bible where it has happened?
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic I do not believe that mias would need to be translated as first because mias is the conjugation of eis, which means "one". It is conjugated as mias because the word eis in this text is applied to a feminine word, gune, or gunaikos as it appears in the text. Because there is a word for first, which is protos, the word protos would appear if Paul meant the first of many, not simply "one" conjugated to fit the feminine word.
LadyHae 1 year ago
@sixthheretic I do not believe there is a place in the Bible where this has happened. Protos would be used instead of the conjugated form of eis.
LadyHae 1 year ago
@LadyHae
Look up "first" in your concordance to see if "mia" is ever translated as "first" in the new testament.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
I am amazed that this man has one wife
himmis4all 1 year ago
@himmis4all Why is that so amazing. My wife laughed manically when she heard this comment and then said she was the original brain washed zealot.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic : according to your wife's posts on Biblical Families Women's Forum, you have been very deceptive regarding your "polygyny"
You told your wife of your interest in polygyny while she was pregnant - and you had a clandestine affair while she was pregnant as well, in addition to emailing another woman clandestinely while she was pregnant. You aren't honest, and you were not supportive of her during her pregnancy. Why would any woman want a selfish, immature dishonest man like you ?
himmis4all 1 year ago
@himmis4all
1. I found out about polygyny when she was pregnant.
2. I was unsure what the parameters for be a polygynist were and I did go about it in a improper fashion.
3. I have no idea why a woman would want a selfish immature dishonest man like myself. But I am hopeful.
My wife is furious about your lack of respect for her privacy by posting this. Yes she has trouble with the idea of polygany but I know she would never want this information posted. If she did she would have done it.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic : your wife's anger is displaced from its appropriate target, namely YOU
himmis4all 1 year ago
@himmis4all
No I would say that she is mad at you. I asked her If I could use our problems as a source for a video and she said she doesnt even want to be seen on my vids so I would say she is made at you
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic : I would suggest that you read your wife's comments on the PUBLIC (NOT PRIVATE) women's forum on Biblical Families website. Your wife's feelings regarding your "misadventures" in polygyny are made plain there. Apparently no one else on the forum approved of your behavior either. Continue to delude yourself.
himmis4all 1 year ago
what is the origin of your name channel?
benjaminscameron 1 year ago
@benjaminscameron
It is actually a biblical riddle.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
ur a bit mad...
ms22078 1 year ago
@ms22078
Do you mean mad as in crazy or mad as in angry It wasnt very clear.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic mad as in crazy
ms22078 1 year ago
@ms22078
Is that crazy in a good way or crazy in a bad way?
sixthheretic 1 year ago
Scriptures edify Scriptures, so let's look more on the subject.
Matthew 19:1-9, Mark 10:2-12 in the account of the gospel it speaks of woman putting away their husband. IN BOTH ACCOUNT Jesus refers back to genesis (the beginning) and given the account of the creation of man and woman. Here we have the first marriage as God intended, one man with one woman. What God allows and what he ordain are not the always the same thing. David and Solomon lives should be a warn not to have lots of wives.
Xeonxtreme 1 year ago
@Xeonxtreme
Sorry matt 19:1-9 speaks of a man putting away his wife not the other way around as does mark 10:2-12. However there is some thing in matt in19[9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. So here only a man can divorce his wife for fornication but nowhere does it say a woman can. Why is that? In the bible bigamy is not condemned.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
Mark 10:10-12
"10And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
11And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery."
NOTE verse 12. Jesus was making it clear that divorce in any case except for fornication was wrong. He also gave the intent God plan of marriage, one man and one woman as in the beginning
Xeonxtreme 1 year ago
@Xeonxtreme
So what the verse says is if the man did not put away his first wife and married another (he then would have two wives) then he would not have commited adultery,
That does not contradict polygamy. Just dont divorce any of your wives and you can get more.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
"That does not contradict polygamy. Just dont divorce any of your wives and you can get more."
Can't I say that for the woman then if a woman doesn't put a way her husband and marry another she has not commit adultery?
Jesus when speaking about this issues gave us the example for marriage Adam and Eve, that is God intent.
Jesus himself when he comes is only coming for one bride, not brides.
Revelation 19:7
Do not take what God allow to be what God intends, it wouldn't be wise.
Xeonxtreme 1 year ago
@Xeonxtreme
Only the husband can divorce from the biblical persepctive. You quoted the verse yourself. and it says in multiple places that the woman is bound to her husband as long as he liveth. If a man lie with a harlot they become one flesh. Women can only have one husband but the bible allow for as many as you can provide for. exodus 21:10 A man can not divorce unless the woman sleeps with another man but the woman is bound to the husband until he dies.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
"Only the husband can divorce from the biblical persepctive. "
Then why the need for Mark 10:12?
There would be no need for that.
Hey you got a lot of valid points when it comes to marriage concerning age, it's biblically sound, scientifically as in nature correct, and logically.
Polygamy however God may allow it, but his will as in the beginning (Genesis) is for one man with one woman; Jesus even refers to this.
Exodus 21:10 the book of law is for Israel the nation and gone.
Xeonxtreme 1 year ago
@Xeonxtreme
What I ment was that only a man can divorce and still remarry with out commiting adultery. Since it is only the woman that is bound to the husband for as long as he lives. The husband is not bound to the wife. He can marry as many women as he can support but if he divorces any of them he can no longer marry.
I find it funny that you find my oppinion on marring age accurate biologically speaking but not polygamy. Woman have a reproductive cap but men do not. Polygyny makes sense
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
"I find it funny that you find my oppinion on marring age accurate biologically speaking but not polygamy. "
I didn't just look at biologically, i look at it scripturally first and foremost and it seem that man marry at later ages, to young woman. Abraham for example is 10 years different from Sarah.
Tell me what care/love does polygamy show for your wife, when she will have to compete for your attention and time with another? Jesus made it clear in his reference to the Genesis.
Xeonxtreme 1 year ago
@Xeonxtreme
If we follow your example that a wife shouldnt have to compate for her husbands attention. Then so to A child should not have to compeate for a mothers attention. And every family should only have one child to avoid jealousy. Did you know that god also made it clear that multiple wives is a gift and a blessing given to men by God. 2sam 12:8
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
Enough going back and forth on this matter. Yes polygamy happen in the Bible, No it was not God intention in the Beginning, if it was he would have made Adam Eve, and Susan, but but he made one man and made one woman for that man; and this is what Jesus the Son of God refers to when he speaks of marriage.
Ex 21:10 The Book of Law of Moses, these are laws concerning Israel nation and has faded away. Those that practice polygamy bring to question if they love their wive(s) or self?
Xeonxtreme 1 year ago
@Xeonxtreme Not only is it in the old testament Jesus uses polygamy as a parable to show who were the 5 wise and who were the five foolish. Also you have shownThat a man can never marry again if the divorces his wife but No were does it say that he can not marry with out divorceing his first wife. The New testament doesnt contradict the old nor should it. If the old testament supports it and the newtestament supports it what is your deal?
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
"Jesus uses polygamy as a parable to show who were the 5 wise and who were the five foolish." When Jesus use that example he wasn't focusing on marriage between male and female (mankind), he was talking about the Kingdom of heaven, and the parable is to show that some will be wise and ready will others will miss out.
You want to know God intent from the Beginning ready Genesis1:26-28, 2:18-25, and Jesus upon the subject of marriage in Mark 10:2-12.
Were is your heart at?
Xeonxtreme 1 year ago
@Solman499
Adultery is when a man sleeps with a married woman. The FLDS is right on this account but is off on pretty much everything else. The best forgeries look the most like the real thing.It is biblical to have multiple wives but it is not wise to convert to mormonisum.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
I am getting ready to make a video on polygamy again I have a few ahead of it but its coming.
ProveYourFaith 1 year ago
@ProveYourFaith
Cool cant wait.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic You might want to join this conversation:
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ProveYourFaith 1 year ago
@Solman499
Matt.20
[23] And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
The verse you refrence is the only time that the holy spirit has a maculine pronoun. The reason is is both the comforter and the spirit of truth will be men one called out by jesus the other choosen of God.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@Solman499
Paul is a disciple of jesus. jesus prophesied that he would send us a comforter. and in acts jesus appeared unto paul on the way to demascus. If you want to point finger at a false prophet of God I could take a swing at the muslims prophet. If that sounds unsavory to you then play nice and stop name calling and keep this debate friendly.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
1 cor 7:2 is about not stealing someone elses wife. enfasis on OWN.
KINKYG11242 1 year ago
I thought Paul was pretty clear in 1 Cor. 7:2 "But because of immoralities, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband." I know the whole passage is about marrying to avoid sin, but I think it still speaks to one man, one wife. Maybe you see something I don't. Im not sure if someone already brought this up and I just can't find it.
clark540 1 year ago
@clark540
We have to be carefull not to add to the word. No were in here does it talk about a number of wives a man can have. It is just about useing marriage as a means to avoid immoralities. Sexual imorality is looking upon a nieghbors Wife with lust in his heart but it also says in the same chapter that behave uncomly towards a virgin is not a sin. Never is the qualifier of "unless your already married" added. We are not to add to scripture.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
Deut17:14,16-17 Mat19:3-10 two become 1 & if either lay ie marry another they commit adultery Mar10:6-12 confirms & est. a woman can divorce due two adulteryGen4:19Cain seed disinherited by God was the 1st to have 2wives Luke17:26-30this worlds as wickked as the 1 flooded w/same deeds ie multi wivesGen2:22-24 two become 1 Act17:29-30 Psalm103:10 God is married to 1 Church our EXAMPLE. Peace
rbghomes 1 year ago
@rbghomes
@deut 17:14-17 The word multiply is the word "rabah" which is to make abundant. which goes against the verse all things in moderation. But God said that if David wanted more wive then what he had then God would have given more over these things. (2sam12:7-8) So solomon would have multiplied but david did not.
@mat19:3-10 I am one spirit with jesus just as you are and we are called the bride of christ. therefore jesus is spiritually polygamous. see 10 virgins mat 25
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@rbghomes
@mar10:6-12 Again just because a man and woman are one flesh it doesnt mean that a man can not be one flesh with more then one woman. I am one spirit with jesus a child is one flesh with her mother and a man is one flesh with his wife. Jesus is one spirit with all of us a mother is one flesh with all of her children and a man is one flesh with all of his wives.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@rbghomes
@mar10:11-12 cont. jesus said Matt.19[9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery
If a man does not put away his wife then he can marry another. It is only when a man divorces for any other reason then fornication does adultery come into play. Wives however are bound to her husband for life. and can divorce for no reason.1Cor.7[39]
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@rbghomes
@gen4:19 Coincidental. 1Kgs.11[4] For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
Both solomon and david had multiple wives but davids heart was perfect regaurdless of wives and solomons wives corrupted him. There are godly and ungodly poly marriages.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@rbghomes
@luke17:26 No where does it say marring wives is evil. If we interpret that scripture like you are monogamy could be included.
But in Isa.4
[1] And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
Having multiple wives is a blessing and takes away the reproach of sinful women.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@rbghomes
@gen2:22-24 a man does become one flesh with his wife just as all christians become one spirit with jesus (again see 10 virgins)
@act17:29-30 We are the offspring of God and jesus has made us so. We are the wives of christ. other then that I dont see what else about this verse is relavant. it concerns idols and the worship of graven images.
@ psalms 103:10 I see no bearing to any type of marriage in this verse. It has to do with sin and gods attitude towards it.
Peace
sixthheretic 1 year ago
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@ sixthheretic where can i find a good Dictionary or site to define mia...too see that u r right about mia meaning first of many or just one?
samuraioj 1 year ago
@samuraioj
All you need is a concordance and just look up first. Mia is used 7 times as first.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
Hey just wanted to share. Many men are not familiar with this scripture. Mark 10:11-12.
Trojanman21c 1 year ago
@Trojanman21c
Yeah you can not practice polygyny if you are divorced. Nice verse.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
Just get a youngs or a strongs concordance, They will list every usage of the words and howmany time the word was translated that way.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@ sixthheretic where can i find a good Dictionary or site to define mia...too see that u r right about mia meaning first of many or just one?
samuraioj 1 year ago
@samuraioj
Use a strongs or a youngs and look up the word first and one. you will see that both words use the greek word mia.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
sixthheretic. the bridegroom is Jesus and hes talking of the day of his return. not marriage. the women that were there with oil in their lampstand were ready for jesus and got taken the others weren't ready as jesus says to be and got left behind. cross refrence with one can't fast while the bridegroom is still present, for there will be a time when he will no longer be. Fasting was a form of mourning the messiah. Having the oil ready in their lamps just meant they want Jesus.
stephensanchez5271 1 year ago
@stephensanchez5271 Jesus is useing Plural marriage to ten virgins as his parable. Study the culture and customs of the times and it should hopefully open your eyes to some things that your education apparently has been lacking.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
brother you made a big error Jesus gave a parable about five wise not five wives and five foolish. peace.
dtgray1 1 year ago 3
@dtgray1 He gave a parable about ten virgins Five became wives five did not. Because five were wise and five were foolish.Matt.25
[1] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
To meet the bridegroom is to become married to him. You might want to study the culture next time.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
I am not because of what you said I had a valid reason to explain my actions so that others can know my motivation.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
Right this is all based on the bible but I thought he might be more easily swayed if I spoke his language.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
Let's balance this out so it's not sexist, if a man can have multiple wives, a woman can have multiple husbands.
Evenson107 2 years ago 3
If a man has nine wives in nine months he has nine children.
If a woman has nine husbands and in nine months she will have one child.
Biologically it doesnt work and is probably why female polygamy with multiple husbands is so rare. And this is also why polygamy with women haveing more then one husband is not sanctioned by god.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
yep she can remarry but she can not be at fault and must remain the example of a godly woman who is submisive in all things until he leaves.
1Pet.3
[1] Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
If the wife is at fault then she can not remarry ever again.
Mark.10
[12] And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
the difference between adultery and fornication is adultery is when a woman sleeps with another man other then her husband or when a man sleeps with a woman that is married. Fornication is when a man sleeps with a woman with out makeing a lifetime commitment to her. If the man abandons the wife and he is an unbeliever she is set free from the law and can remarry. But I must stress that the unbeliever must be the one to leave the believer can not be at fault. If she leaves she can never remarry.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
Yeah it is amazing how easy it is to add to scripture with out even trying. We have to very watchful.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
also I recall something about not violating the laws of the land you live in.
TracyChristian 2 years ago
The law states that am man can only have one legal wife. But according to god a woman is bound to her husband as long as he liveth. And they become one flesh when they have sex. There is no law that says a man can have sex with or live with other women he just can only have one marriage certificate.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
ok, got you here. Adultrey is illegal in many states.
TracyChristian 2 years ago
You can only be tried if your wife presses charges.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
If your wife refuses to press charges then you can cohabitate with as many women as you would like.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
@TracyChristian Adultery is NOT illegal in the united states. In some states there are old laws on the books that would require you to pay a fee of 10 dollars. Also since 1965 there have been many cases put up in front of the Supreme Court arguing that adultery is not illegal and that being arrested for it is against your constitutional right to privacy. It is however illegal in the middle east and some parts of asia with a sentence of death.
TheHereticsWife 2 years ago
Say hello to my wife. She knows alot huh. She has just made me aware that the only countries that prosecute adultery are the middle eastern ones and then only prosecute wives that cheat on their husbands. How do you like them apples.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
It sounds like you hate god not that god hates you.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
Not sure what to think of your teachings. Although, I do believe women have taken on to many male roles. Look at what this world has become.
RainbowBrite3178 2 years ago
What about my teachings do you have issues with? Send a personal message if it would be easier.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
The Holy Bible may not say polygamy or polygyny is wrong or sinful, however, it doesn't get into the specifics of many things to say whether they're right or wrong. This is why having the Word of God in your heart is so important; to have the character of God and be Christ-like, to discern the word, because scripture can't get into the specifics of everything; discernment is a must.
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knooneatall 2 years ago
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Continued... 1 Corinthians 6 (American Standard Version) 12 All things are lawful for me; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful for me; but I will not be brought under the power of any. 1 Corinthians 10 (American Standard Version) 23 All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify.
knooneatall 2 years ago
Romans 14 (American Standard Version) 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge ye this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock in his brother's way, or an occasion of falling. 14 I know, and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean of itself: save that to him who accounteth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 For if because of meat thy brother is grieved, thou walkest no longer in love. Destroy not with thy meat him for whom Christ died.
knooneatall 2 years ago
19 So then let us follow after things which make for peace, and things whereby we may edify one another. 20 Overthrow not for meat's sake the work of God. All things indeed are clean; howbeit it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21 It is good not to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor to do anything whereby thy brother stumbleth.
knooneatall 2 years ago
1 Corinthians 8 (American Standard Version) 9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to the weak. 10 For if a man see thee who hast knowledge sitting at meat in an idol's temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be emboldened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11 For through thy knowledge he that is weak perisheth, the brother for whose sake Christ died.
knooneatall 2 years ago
12 And thus, sinning against the brethren, and wounding their conscience when it is weak, ye sin against Christ. 13 Wherefore, if meat causeth my brother to stumble, I will eat no flesh for evermore, that I cause not my brother to stumble.
knooneatall 2 years ago
We are not to add to or subtract from scripture.
Exod.21
[10] If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
God alows it. So I can do it.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
I didn't say God doesn't allow it, I quoted scripture saying, "All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify."
You also have to ask yourself, do you think Jesus would have had multiple wives? Do you think he would have thought it expedient or edifying to have more than one?
As Paul, the apostle of Jesus wrote in 1 Corinthians 7:
"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote: It is good for a man not to touch a woman."
knooneatall 2 years ago
"But, because of fornications, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband."
"Art thou loosed from a wife? Seek not a wife."
"But this I say, brethren, the time is shortened, that henceforth both those that have wives may be as though they had none."
knooneatall 2 years ago
"But I would have you to be free from cares. He that is unmarried is careful for the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord: but he that is married is careful for the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and is divided."
"And this I say for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is seemly, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction."
knooneatall 2 years ago
Judging by just these statements alone, my discernment tells me that it is better to have one spouse, and even better to have none.
"So then both he that giveth his own virgin daughter in marriage doeth well; and he that giveth her not in marriage shall do better."
But this is by no means LAW. As Paul also wrote: "But this I say by way of concession, not of commandment."
knooneatall 2 years ago
That is right it is his oppinion and not a commandment of God. I worship paul not god so I will do my will in accordance to the limitations that god has set up. I will not be condemned if god will not condemn me.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
You worship Paul?...
How does your wife feel about this? Have you even asked her? Does SHE want you to have another wife, and especially a younger wife, which most likely any other wife you get will be? If your wife had a good friend that needed a husband and she loved her friend very much and wanted to invite her to be part of your family, that would be more understandable, if the decision were up to her, but it sounds like the choice is yours for the most part.
knooneatall 2 years ago
2
"...and likewise also the husband hath not power over his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other, except it be by consent for a season...1 Cor 7:4-5"
knooneatall 2 years ago
3
"Let no man seek his own, but each his neighbor's good. 1 Cor 10:24"
I, and obviously many others, feel it's greatly disrespectful to your wife (and her children) to be not only seeking another wife, but to be doing it publicly. People ask in their minds, "Is his wife not fulfilling enough for him? Is he not satisfied with his current wife? Why does he desire another?".
knooneatall 2 years ago
4
Do you really think God wants you teaching this? It's one thing if it's your own stumbling block, i don't think God will "condemn" you for it, though it probably won't make him "well pleased", but to teach and actually encourage others to do something that doesn't PLEASE God???
knooneatall 2 years ago
5
"Now we that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let each one of us please his neighbor for that which is good, unto edifying. For Christ also pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell upon me. Romans 15:1-3"
"And he said unto all, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. Luke 9:23"
knooneatall 2 years ago
6
"For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would...If we live by the Spirit, by the Spirit let us also walk. Gal 5:17&25"
"For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Romans 8:5"
knooneatall 2 years ago
7
"He that is unmarried is careful for the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord: but he that is married is careful for the things of the world, how he may please his wife...the woman that is unmarried and the virgin is careful for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married is careful for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 1 Cor 7:32-34"
knooneatall 2 years ago
8
Not only that, but since you've put yourself in the place of a teacher of the word, you should also be living according to the standards God gives to teachers of the word, such as: "If a man seeketh the office of a bishop...The bishop therefore must be without reproach, the husband of one wife 1 Tim 3:1-2" & "Let deacons be husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well 1 Tim 3:12"
knooneatall 2 years ago
9
You've gone beyond the role of deacon. After all, not only are you publicly saying, "this is what these bible verses mean", but christians are asking you questions, and you're giving them advice; both personal & spiritual. Shouldn't that role be reserved for the elect? Do you consider yourself one of God's elect? If so, again, you should be abiding by the precepts outlined in the bible for the elect/leaders of the body of Christ.
knooneatall 2 years ago
Do you consider yourself elect since you have come onto my channel challenging my doctrine and giving advice. If you do then I dont see why I cant be considered elect as well.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
No, i do not consider myself an elect leader of the body of Christ, nor was i trying to give you advice; merely pointing out some scripture.
knooneatall 2 years ago
Well I am glad of your involvment and I welcome your scripture quotes
sixthheretic 2 years ago
Just questioning the teacher... It also helps me to learn more as well.
knooneatall 2 years ago
You should check your greek here. The word heis can be either translated as first or one. The bible can not contradict itself. To translate heis as "one" would contradict exodus 21:10 but if a man must be the husband of a FIRST wife then this would not contradict all of the other refrences to all of the men of god who god allowed to have more then one wife nor would it invalidate Jesus when he gave the parable of the ten virgins.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
1b
I took your suggestion and checked the Greek again. I think you mean MIA can be translated as both ONE or FIRST? Mia can mean 'one', 'only one', 'someone' OR 'first'. But if you think 'one' in verses 1Tim3:2, 1Tim3:12 & Tit1:6 actually means first (and that this is the only right translation), could you please better explain how this would apply by putting it into better context. "The husband of first wife"???
knooneatall 2 years ago
2b
I would interpret this as meaning that they REMAIN married to their first wife, not getting divorced or remarried (except for in the case of their wife dying). Even if it was translated "a FIRST-wife man", that still in no way indicates that there should be any other wives beyond that first wife. So could you please also explain how, in this context, it is saying that an elder can be the husband of more than one wife AT A TIME?
knooneatall 2 years ago
3b
I would suspect that the Greek word Mia is used in this verse to refer to 'one' rather than the Greek word heis partly because it is better for the ONE wife to also be the FIRST wife and the ONLY wife. This would give a singular word a double and deeper meaning (that would be my personal interpretation of it).
knooneatall 2 years ago
4b
Not to mention that NAS & Strong's Concordances both say mia is the feminine form of heis. (Also note that 1Tim5:9 is translated as heis when referring to a husband rather than mia when referring to a wife in the other verses.)
knooneatall 2 years ago
5b
Also, if you're using Christ's spiritual marriage to each of God's people as an example of having individual relationships with MANY carnal wives in the same sense, why do NOT both the bride of Christ verses and the elders' wives verses use the same word, mia, to describe these relationships?
knooneatall 2 years ago
6b
Instead, heis, translated as the numerical one is used when referring to Christ's relationship to the church, and mia, translated as FIRST, as you say, is used to describe the relationship with a wife? Shouldn't they both use the same word if they have the same meaning?
Rom 12:5 so we, who are many, are one(heis) body in Christ, and severally members one of another.
knooneatall 2 years ago
7b
Joh 17:11 And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one(heis), even as we are.
Mat 19:5 and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one(mia) flesh?
knooneatall 2 years ago
8b
Mat 19:6 So that they are no more two, but one(mia) flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Tit 1:6 if any man is blameless, the husband of one(mia) wife, having children that believe, who are not accused of riot or unruly.
knooneatall 2 years ago
9b
Also, translating Mia as ONE would not contradict Exo 21:10 nor any other reference to God allowing men to have multiple wives in the bible because: 1. The commandment to only have ONE wife was not given until later, and 2. That commandment only applies to elders (some of which may have already had multiple wives before becoming saved).
knooneatall 2 years ago
10b
And i'm not sure what exactly you're referring to when you say, "nor would it invalidate Jesus when he gave the parable of the ten virgins", unless you're referring to Christ's marriage with the bridegroom such as in John 17:11 "that they may be one(heis)", which actually used a different word(heis) than the verse saying elders should only be the husband of one(mia) wife, so that again does not contradict (though i personally believe heis and mia are the same word).
knooneatall 2 years ago
The verse you quoted here is not a commandment of the lord only Pauls oppinion of what a man should do.
1cor7[25] Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
[35] And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
Matt.5
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I do not care what people think I teach and do the least of Gods commandments with out adding to or subtracting from scripture so that I might be great in the kingdom of heaven.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
Luke.16
[15] And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
No christian should care what those that will not submit themselves unto the will of god. I serve god not you or any one else. My wife submits to me not me to her.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
I wasn't questioning YOUR personal beliefs; as i said, i don't think anyone would necessarily be condemned by God for having more than one wife. What i care about is the truth of the word.
knooneatall 2 years ago
I mispoke about paul. I worship God not paul.
My wife doesnt want me to have another wife but if you wanted another child and the first child didnt want you to have one would you let the child usurp your authority and forgo having another child or would you have the second child anyway and exspect the first child to learn how to cope with the coming sibling which would of course be younger then the first.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
I don't feel it right to comment any more on the matter. I'm just wanting you to know that it's not my intent to offend you in my comments, and i'm sorry if i have.
knooneatall 2 years ago
No I am not easly offended. I in fact welcome biblical debate since it sharpens my understanding of the subject and helps all that read our discussions to gain a greater understanding of the subject matter as well.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
One of our scholars told me our book was the only one to actually limit the number of wives a man can take. I was looking for proof that others didn't. Thanks.
0Idskool 2 years ago
Not a problem ... but you are not the only faith to limit how many wives a man can have. Almost all christian faiths limit men to haveing only one wife. Those are the religions that ignore the commandments of moses. in which moses says a man can have as many wives as he can provide shelter food and sex for.
sixthheretic 2 years ago
LOL, Yeah our scriptures tell us that all the laws were revealed gradually beginning with Abraham up to our prophet peace be upon them all. The last part u mentioned is also there '' Shelter and food'' but he has to be extremely fair, if he can't provide one with what he provided the others, then he should just stick with the one. Peace.
0Idskool 2 years ago
Yes a husband must be extreemly fair like a parent with children. The parent must treat his children fairly and love each of them with equal portion. But God put no limitation on how many children a parent can have. Iif there is no limitation on children if their needs are being met why would there be a limitation on wives if the husband is meeting their needs too.
That is why I follow exodus 21:10
sixthheretic 2 years ago
Yeah you can have as many children, but wives it's very difficult. I know people where I'm from with only two wives and trust me I have yet to see them being 100% fair. How many do you have, if you don't mind me asking.
0Idskool 2 years ago 2
do you know of any parent that is 100% fair with all of his children? It is immposible to be 100% fair but that doesn not stop families from haveing more then one child. I have one wife how many children do you have?
sixthheretic 2 years ago
One wife, one daughter and number two is on the way, nope not 100% but I wasn't talking about the children, I was talking being 100% fair to the wives, as in providing the same living standard to all equally, buying stuff for all of them equally spending time with each one equally. Very difficult. Umm is the other comment for me ?
0Idskool 2 years ago