@DefeatedElitist, he's right, maybe not 80% but a good majority of our blood is Anglo-Saxon, jute, Frisian etc. Another large part of our blood is from Scandinavia.
The Saxons were the predominant people on the island that is now the UK. For 600 years. Bringing the English language - the language of Battle and of Song. Bringing fantastic jewellery and a legal system to the world.
The Celts - never existed. Purely a modern invention.
@SonsoftheSword Nah, the Celts were here before us but our ancestors basically wiped them out, genetically your average white Englishman is about 80% Anglo-Saxon.
Beautiful - both the video and the reading. I'm also glad that you superimposed the text over the top because reading it along with the vocal rendition gives an extra dimension. The furthest back I got in my studies was Chaucer, but I'm going to explore Old English and Anglo-Saxon now I've retired and have more time to spare!
This makes me and many other people I know very proud to be of English decent and to think that was spoken by our Anglo Saxon ancestors. Hail to England the mother land.
@ConstantineJoseph they called it Englisc not anglo saxon and yes it is the original tongue and of course it sounds germanic the angles, saxons etc were germanic tribes without whom there wouldn't be an England which came from Englaland meaning land of the angles.
As we can see, the Anglo Saxon language was more scandinavian or Germanic.
After William the Conqueror brought in even more continental french/latin influence, we get an evolution into the English we learn today.
England is not by her own, but rather influenced by multiple cultures, ethnicities and root languages. One cannot say "old English" is the original language. English is a combination of many influences in Europe
Amazing how similar it is to the old Norse which we persevered well and speak in Iceland, except Þ is a strong th while Ð or ð is a soft th and Æ is I-ish A like in Shire.
I find it odd that in the prayer attributed to jesus, from judea, the prayer includes the All father giving us our daily bread....this is a european tribal tradition where the lord/king provides daily food to his followers... and in turn the lords will is done. the origin seems suspect when taking into account social norms and local practices.... are there any theories concerning a european source predating jesus for a similarly worded pagan prayer?
@Imnothecrazyone Thanks, I have just pitched the voice down a bit. The reader is myself. There has been some critics of me reading it wrong. And in retrospect I understand that some of the pronunciation is wrong according to how the experts believe Old English was spoken at that time. But we have to remember that the way we speak our language in real life often differs from the "written" word. And over time that is how we change the language.
I have just found this awesome poster, this poster shows our early English heroes from the 'Adventus Saxonum'499 AD and warband leaders Hengist and Horsa, through to King Harold and Hereward 'the Wake' ,all depicted against the backdrop of a dramatic cliff side setting. and below a corresponding description, Little has been done to make ourselves or our children proud of our own English heroes.This poster puts that right at last. you can get it at wyrdart (.) co (.) uk <remove brackets.
i'm using the 1st century AD Aramaic Palestinian ( Peshitta) version in my musical performances, i learned from Niel Douglas Klotz PhD from Edinburg. Eth Phatah!
Your pronunciation of the letter y is off. It is supposed to be pronounced /y/, like the 'u' in the French word 'tu,' or the German 'ü.' In the video, you pronounced it /ı/.
Beautiful we as an English people should learn our language. It truly is a beautiful language. Let's reclaim our heritage. Somebody somewhere set the flame alight and let us be free. Solije.
@Enquiringmind777 Ah, but how far do you go back? Do you reclaim Anglo-Saxon heritage? Celtic Heritage? Or elsewhere? There have been many influxes of culture and language on our small island. The blood of the people, alone, is still a disputed issue. Some say the Saxons contributed very little, to nothing of the bloodline. It's impossible to say what our real heritage is. I, for one, am proud of the diversity. We have a lot of history in these Isles. It's fascinating.
@DaLynxfighta I imagine he made this video because he has a passion for the Anglo Saxon language and history of our people. I don't think he made this video to spread religious dogma. What do you think you're doing? insulting somebody's work because you can't relate to it is a bit silly, isn't it? I'm an atheist but that does not mean i can't appreciate the artwork, music, language, architecture etc. that religion has given us. When people create art in the name of god, it tends to be good.
@johnyprestige Exactly. I have the same passion for the history and languages of those times, and whether we like it or not Christianity played a massive role in almost all of it. The best way I've found to learn Old and Middle English was by reading prayers and hymns. Especially ones like this, I can find hundreds of translations of the Lord's Prayer, so it's amazingly easy to learn that way. This stuff is beautiful, I wish people weren't so extremist.
Old English closely resembles both german and swedish,to my mind it sounded way better back then without the enormous french influence that changed the language beyong recognition after the 11th century..
@2meroyn but there is still a wider range in OE, and even the "dual" category (singular, dual, plural). Maybe it's just that it's being for me a big pain to study every declination and conjugation, but I somehow I found German easier (if German can be labelled as easy). Anyway, it's a pleasure to find someone so interested on this =)
@stealth1692 Sorry mate, I'm not sure which of my posts this refers to. if by 'they' you mean the vocabulary, proouns, connectives, then its simply a case of learning it. Although personally I can see the similarity to english today, many of their common words arent used anymore, like 'folk' instead of 'people' which is more common today in the UK, but americans still use folk fairly widely. I was amazed the other day to find that 'Strand' which means beach in German i believe, meant sea- edge
To read the Bible and get what it is saying you need to be fluent and have a highly advanced understanding of their cultures at the time they were written. A computer can give us pretty accurate English translations. NASB and NBSB are literal. Even if it is a word for word perfect translation (which is nearly impossible and impossible for something like Navajo to Arabic). A culture is bound to have thoughts and expressions that another culture has no direct equivalent or even a similar word
@Grimfoul Yes, you are right, but I think that an older version of your own language is not the same as a foreign one, you learm about your own language, you learn some often quite beautiful concepts they had with words
Hlaford = is translated as Lord in modern English - in Old English they were saying "loaf man" or the man who fed you.
thrithe = peace unthrithe = war or unpeace, its interesting that they saw war as a break in peace rather than an entity of its own
It doesn't seem to be full on Old English. It seems like this text/translation/reading was in a transition phase between later Old English and the very beginning of what we call Middle English. Much how later Middle English gradually turned into Early Modern English (the 100yrs leading up to the King James Bible(which is not a good translation at all). I like how it sounds read aloud but Greek at that time did not translate well to English. Nor does it today.
@Grimfoul no, this is absolutely Old English in its oldest writte form. the Lords prayer was one of the oldest thing to be written im afraid. And there was no middle english changes before 1066 i'm afraid either. after 1066 the Lords prayer would have been in Latin and no longer in Old English. It is only with French influence that we get Middle English and Anglo-Saxon England was not infleunced by French at all before the conquest. This is pure Old English - It's freakily easy to understand no?
I'm afraid its completely Old English, Middle English did not develop until after the Norman Conquest... Middle English is basically a combination of French and Old English. - Old English stopped being an official language in 1066, so the Lords prayer in the vernacular was only used before the conquest. Old English isn't that difficult to understand when you see the words and think about them, their word order could be very odd but many writers wrote in the same order as we do now or - SVO
The Anglo-Saxons on the edge of destruction under Alfred the Great in 877 could never have imagined in their wildest dreams that their words would be spoken by half a billion people in the world today.
@agents1986 No I think I am correct. I am a native speaker and I am currently doing a masters research paper on Old English, most native speakers recognise the pronouns and many of the words, it simply takes a few seconds to read and say aloud before you can recognise it. I knew no Old English until 2 months ago, after just a few weeks of learning the grammar I can translate many texts without great recourse to a glossary.
e.g. easy
He sæde ðæt Norðmanna land wære swyþe lang & swyðe smæl.
@retrofreak7777 that's pretty cool, but Beowulf is very hard Old English - its a poem which means that they are doing things with the words they wouldn't do in a conversation or on normal prose. poems are the hardest to understand in foreign languages as sayings can be very odd.
the Anglo Saxon Chronicle which stretches from 450 ad to 1153 ad is written in simple old english and a great way of diving into the language of our ancestors.
@SergeantLuke Many of the words are like English words today [for instance all the words in the previous sentance are Old English]
It would be very easy for native English people to learn to read Old English, perhaps revive a few dead words which are cool like 'weye' which means road but i can see it being street language so easily.
- anyone could be reading old English documents in a couple of weeks if they want and many are as old as 700 ad.
@Xav87ier I can see you are writing about Old English speach [language] but I have no idea what your sentance means - I think our languages have changed too much:(
@Xav87ier Many thanks for saying its meaning, I'm afraid I have next to no knowldge of German though I recognise that perhaps Old Saxons and Anglo-Saxons may have been mutually intelligable before 1200 ad - its quite sad that so many latinate words have entered our language. But at the same time I think thats what makes it so accessible to so many people as it combines many features of many languages but retains some character of its germanic self.
I'm german but I LOVE Old English ... it's such a beautiful language and has an awesome pronunciation. I wish there would be any ways to learn this language.
I also love Gaelic, Welsh and the northern/scandinavian languages <3
@IthildinTheWolf there are courses available to learn the language, I think Germans grasp it very easily, its possesses all german cases, but has only two tenses [the hardest part of modern english i think is that it has 12 or something haha]
The prayer you are citing actually pronounced liks this as your watered down version doesn't note difference in vowel length and chnage in consonant sounds. "Sī þīn nama ġehālgod" = Sei thein nama(name) yehaalgod(hallowed). This came from the German angle and saxon tribes and so they came from the same tree as German. To be: German =Sei OE = Sī . Your: German = Dein, OE Thein. A normal "I" = EE.
Ok why do you pronounce Faeder with a aa instead of "a" as in cat? Especially why are you pronouncing "D" as if it's a thorn? You say Sothlice wrong...it is a voiced thorn not silent. It means "Soothly"...think about it.
@Francesko263 When the Viking invaded, they could understand the language spoken. Old Flemish spoken in Holland and Denmark is the closest language to English actually.
@stealth1692 I red on wikipedia frisian language was spoken throughtout the entire North Sea coast. It was spoken from northern Belgium to northern Germany (including Mecklenburg and Pommern) and southern Denmark. There was an incredible language unity from Flanders to northern Germany and southern Denmark passing throug Netherlands, north-western Germany and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.
Nonsense. It's sure that Anglo-Saxons pronounced ''w'' like Germans or Scandinavians - ''w'' as ''v'' or ''f''. The same ''i'' like today ''ee''; ''j'' like today ''y'' (yes, yet) etc. English phonetics changed later, in XIII -XV c. Sorry my english - I hope you will understand. Greetings!
@religiofob What is your source on this? As I understand it the "W" was always pronounced in Germanic speech as it is in English today. German went through a consonant shift, "W" was then pronounced as "V".
1. English language (especially phonetics) is different than other Germanic languages. It was an influence of French language and its phonetics (after Norman conquest 1066). Compare French pronunciation ''j'' to English.
2. This prayer is elder than Modern English phonetics. Old english textes were written by monks and other clergy. They wrote consistently with Latin meaning of letters. For example, ''swa swa'' on this prayer - today they would wrote ''sva sva''.
3. English phonetics moved away from meaning of Latin letters. For example, ''York'' in modern English is written by ''Y''. But in Middle English was ''Jork'' (with ''J'') <Jorvik (Vikings village in England). This name is elder than Modern English phonetics! (in Polish there is ''Jork" too). English spelling keeps many of archaisms - look at the words ''knight, thought, through'' - not heard the letters ''g'', ''h'', ''t'' and others.
@religiofob I am not sure where they are getting their information. From all the material I have seen the only consonants that were said different were c, g, h, sc. The rest of the consonants were said as they are today, including w.
1. Find on YT ''Latin Alphabet" (there is in a few versions). Listen to original Latin phonetics. On YT there are other alphabets - I recommend Italian (most related with ancient Latin), German, Swedish etc.
2. Then you should listen to French and English alphabets. You will observe differences - bigger in English.
3. Almost all european countries assumed Christianity from Rome. Spelling was initiated by monks which made that consistiently with Latin phonetics.
Monks were written SOUNDS consistiently with Latin letters.
4. After initiation of alphabet, some languages were changing, especially English. After 1066, all high classes and nobles speaked French. English was a language of plebs - to (circa) 1400. Simply people deformed language - educated people didn't interest in... This is why today English phonetics is different than other european languages...
@religiofob According to the Oxford Dictionary there was no letter in the Latin alphabet for the "double u" sound. They started by using "uu" and then adopted "w" to represent the "uu". "W" was pronounced as a "v" sound, so you were half right :)
I disagree with you. "W'' is a ''double V'' ( in Modern English alphabet simply ''double'' :) ). This letter was added to alphabet in VII-VIII c. by Karolings chroniclers and means ''stronger V''. ''UU''? - I don't know what meaning of this letter you have in mind? English or European? Accord to European pronounciation, ''UU'' means longer ''oo oo'' (too, soon). ''UU'' and ''V'' are the other matters - according my education :)
@religiofob "UU" is double-u. Double means 2 in English, there are 2 "u"'s. Its just the sound of the letter spelled out. According to Oxford they used the "uu" before adopting the "w".
I wonder that you was writing. I don't heard about it. Generally, in linguistic processes vowels transformed to other vowels, consonants to other consonants (compare ''and/und'' or ''too/zu''). Long ''UU'' (in continental Franks language even threefold ''UUU''!) transformed to (in German language) ''u'' with ''umlaut'' (sorry, I haven't this on my PC!). For example, there is different phonetics in ''ubung'' and ''ingang''. Are you sure?
Compare some germanic words with ''w'' in English and German ''when/wenn, what/was, wonder/wunder'' etc. Germans (and others germanic peoples) pronounce ''w'' as ''v'', only English in a different way... ??? And remember we speak about period VII-XI c. when differences were smaller... Personally, I'm doubtful about that.
I am an english student in a university from the south of Brazil. Last week our teacher shown us this prayer. At first it was very strange to me, but hearing it again it sounds very beatiful.
This prayer and the video reminds me a lot of the climbing Croagh Patrick in Ireland. On the back of its southern slopes there is a local countryside road, along which there are the posts including the history of Croagh Patrick. One of them contains the information that, unlike the Celts who had worshipped the Sun on the top of Croagh Patrick, the Christians should worship the true Sun, Jesus Chist, who will never perish nor anyone who does His will.
· This prayer and the video reminds me of the climbing Croagh Patrick in Ireland. There are the prayer stations on the slopes of the mountain and the pilgrims are encouraged to pray "Our Father" as well. In the pagan age the Celts had worshipped the Sun on the top of the Croagh Patrick but in 5th century St. Patrick encouraged the Hibernian people to worship the true Sun- Jesus Christ, who will never perish nor anyone who does His will.
Amazing! I found that old languages Is very interesting, and how It sounds. For me (I'm from sweden), It sounds a bit like mixing icelandic with english.
Is this language hard to learn? I already speak French, English and a bit of Latin. And I'd really love to learn this language. My favorite part of the video was the part that sounded like "Forgive us or guilt us"
@stealth1692 not just that actually learn English grammar because when it comes to me learning German i can't relate the grammar to English so I have to basically learn it fresh which is very hard
@MultiCren Old English grammar is the easiest of all modern languages actually. They have only two tenses past and present simple and no future tense [its formed with 'could' and 'should'
- they have a different 'the' for words depending on their gender [like french/ spanish/german/italian today] and for where the word is in the sentance [object or subject] but that is all.
-you might be confusing 'tham' 'thisse' 'theos' and 'tha' which mean [to them] [this] [those] and [who/that/which
@stealth1692 They're close because they both derived from the same language. You'll notice large similarities in Anglo-Saxon to Icelandic, Swedish, Norwegian and other Germanic languages as well.
@MultiCren Old English grammer is very simply compared to modern German :) Modern English grammar is probably harder than Old English grammar because we have so many tenses but our sentance order is a bit simpler than Old English
@2meroyn I'm not native and I may be wrong but I do not agree with this. I'm studiyng both OE and German and though the declination system works similarly, OE grammar seems to me slightly harder than Modern German's (Instrumental case, different declensions depending on light/heavy syllables, ...). And about Modern English, there are more tenses, yes, but it's quite simpler, there's no need to decline, which often is the greatest problem to most students of OE. Or at least that's how I see it =P
@JabiCobain I certainly agree that there are many similarities between OE and German in terms of their vocabulary and grammatical forms, If i remember correctly though, in OE the Instrumental case was absorbed into the Dative case by 850 ad, there are very few OE texts from before this time which survived the Viking invasions so its not a particular issue for the majority of the available literature. I'm not sure if I understand what light and heavy syllables are, do you mean strong/weak verbs?
@JabiCobain Modern English does possess a case system though, we have retained nominative, accusative, and genitive cases in our personal pronouns, which makes it incredibly simple to learn OE pronound as they have changed very little. You are right though that conjugations are more complex than in Modern English, but a relatively short table of weak and strong verbs in the past and present simple alongside the imperative is, i feel anyhow :P, very little to learn compared to German or Latin.
With light/heavy syllable I mean that depending on the length of the syllable, some declinations vary a bit. Nominative plural for neutral "scip" (light syll.) is "scipu", whereas for neutral "word" (heavy syll.) is "word". Problably you are right and the instrumental case disappeared when OE evolved into Late West Saxon. I'm only studing now Early OE and this case is still there. And pronouns, you're right, ModEnglish somehow retain cases,
@Francesko263 It isn't a very organized language though, there isn't much structure. It's hard to tell the difference between a question and a statement.
@ALBIONTYKE I think the W was always pronounced in Germanic as it is in English today. German had a constant shift early in its history where the W was pronounced as V.
To some comments below. The technical words in English are predominately Norman French. The basic words are of Germanic origin combining Norse & Saxon. For instance most English swear words often referred to as guttural Anglo-Saxon are very similar to German swear words & not French. Think of Germanic English words like Ta ( thank you ) Yes from Ya Sire ( Sires being Norman overlords) flesh,kitchen,come,left, bread,right, numbers 4 6 7 8 9 20 100. Then French ie technique & vision & trance.
@silenteyesspy What makes you say that? The words are certainly correct. The only possible error is in pronunciation. But Sondre Danielsen sounds like a Scandinavian to me, and Scandinavians, particularly Danes in my own experience, seem to take to the English language like ducks to water.
Look at Christ I by Cynewolf.
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This atmosphere reminds me back in that long past time in year 1000, but then there were also lot of vikings, danes and norvegians there i think.
bingzaniGercel 1 day ago
Séo gebeod wæs ærgód! Ic þancie þe.
radajan 1 day ago
Why does this sound so sacary? This is a prayer, it should sound friendly and lightly and hopeful.
FallingDownStory 3 days ago
I wish we still spoke English like this!
frizzbombshki15 1 week ago
@DefeatedElitist, he's right, maybe not 80% but a good majority of our blood is Anglo-Saxon, jute, Frisian etc. Another large part of our blood is from Scandinavia.
t1t296 3 weeks ago
This is one of the most beautiful and haunting pieces of recital I have heard in any language.
SonsoftheSword 3 weeks ago 2
@SonsoftheSword
Thanks!
Regards from
Sondre
sodada 3 weeks ago
@SonsoftheSword Probably has to do with the haunting background music :)
bobbobato 3 weeks ago
The Saxons were the predominant people on the island that is now the UK. For 600 years. Bringing the English language - the language of Battle and of Song. Bringing fantastic jewellery and a legal system to the world.
The Celts - never existed. Purely a modern invention.
SonsoftheSword 3 weeks ago
@SonsoftheSword Nah, the Celts were here before us but our ancestors basically wiped them out, genetically your average white Englishman is about 80% Anglo-Saxon.
spackhollogay 3 weeks ago
@SonsoftheSword the celts existed look up boudicca
stealth1692 3 days ago
Beautiful - both the video and the reading. I'm also glad that you superimposed the text over the top because reading it along with the vocal rendition gives an extra dimension. The furthest back I got in my studies was Chaucer, but I'm going to explore Old English and Anglo-Saxon now I've retired and have more time to spare!
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This makes me and many other people I know very proud to be of English decent and to think that was spoken by our Anglo Saxon ancestors. Hail to England the mother land.
Greetings from Canada
unhooked25 1 month ago
this acient Germanic langue sounds good.
Dutch1991r 1 month ago
and forgive us or guilt us?
Kidzilla99 2 months ago
@Kidzilla99
Or maybe "forgive us our guilts." I'm not sure how close OE is phonetically.
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@ConstantineJoseph they called it Englisc not anglo saxon and yes it is the original tongue and of course it sounds germanic the angles, saxons etc were germanic tribes without whom there wouldn't be an England which came from Englaland meaning land of the angles.
redcoatsrule 2 months ago
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redcoatsrule 2 months ago
As we can see, the Anglo Saxon language was more scandinavian or Germanic.
After William the Conqueror brought in even more continental french/latin influence, we get an evolution into the English we learn today.
England is not by her own, but rather influenced by multiple cultures, ethnicities and root languages. One cannot say "old English" is the original language. English is a combination of many influences in Europe
ConstantineJoseph 2 months ago
What a beautiful language!
delio579 2 months ago
Beautiful. It made me cry.
Torstar100 2 months ago
Amazing how similar it is to the old Norse which we persevered well and speak in Iceland, except Þ is a strong th while Ð or ð is a soft th and Æ is I-ish A like in Shire.
leylaevegharavi 3 months ago
His roflcopter goes Swa Swa.
Amiculi 3 months ago
I find it odd that in the prayer attributed to jesus, from judea, the prayer includes the All father giving us our daily bread....this is a european tribal tradition where the lord/king provides daily food to his followers... and in turn the lords will is done. the origin seems suspect when taking into account social norms and local practices.... are there any theories concerning a european source predating jesus for a similarly worded pagan prayer?
FreedomClause 3 months ago
Is AYE old English for YES?
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The Old English word for "yes" was 'gea', which is modern 'yea' and 'yeah'.
The word 'yes' itself comes from Old English 'gese', which meant "so be it".
In front of some vowels(like in 'gea' and 'gese') the Old English 'g' was pronounced like a 'y'.
The word 'aye' I think comes from Middle English.
stealth1692 2 months ago
The word heaven sounds quite intimidating.
bbg5000 4 months ago
Infinite Shore on the album The Magnificent Void. I recommend you to buy his albums, amazing stuff.
sodada 4 months ago
What is the Steve Roach piece?
forensmith 4 months ago
@Imnothecrazyone Thanks, I have just pitched the voice down a bit. The reader is myself. There has been some critics of me reading it wrong. And in retrospect I understand that some of the pronunciation is wrong according to how the experts believe Old English was spoken at that time. But we have to remember that the way we speak our language in real life often differs from the "written" word. And over time that is how we change the language.
sodada 4 months ago
@sodada That's true, but it's no excuse.
Oswulf1 4 months ago
How did you get those great effects with the reader, it just makes it sound that much more mysterious and great. Love it.
Imnothecrazyone 4 months ago
Love the swa swa 1:01 XD
llamamailbox 4 months ago
@llamamailbox it means 'just as'
2meroyn 4 months ago
it means 'just as', swa by itself means 'so'
2meroyn 4 months ago
This is absolutely amazing.
DuchessofMilton 4 months ago
the english isle is so mystical.
paulinotou 4 months ago 2
@paulinotou seo islenda englalandes und seo brittisc theodan sie se maest aethele islenda on ealle seo middelyeard
2meroyn 4 months ago
This is beautiful...but I can't stand the pacing. I so want to hear the whole thing at a stretch!
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I have just found this awesome poster, this poster shows our early English heroes from the 'Adventus Saxonum'499 AD and warband leaders Hengist and Horsa, through to King Harold and Hereward 'the Wake' ,all depicted against the backdrop of a dramatic cliff side setting. and below a corresponding description, Little has been done to make ourselves or our children proud of our own English heroes.This poster puts that right at last. you can get it at wyrdart (.) co (.) uk <remove brackets.
willsgotbeer 5 months ago
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willsgotbeer 5 months ago
Swa Swa
TheLastSliceOfPie 5 months ago 15
This is EPIC...
dil007britt 5 months ago
All in All, masterfully done! love it.
i'm using the 1st century AD Aramaic Palestinian ( Peshitta) version in my musical performances, i learned from Niel Douglas Klotz PhD from Edinburg. Eth Phatah!
jimiji
jimeaglesmith 6 months ago
whats with the long stupid pauses
proudstr8 6 months ago
am learning this in school right now...!!!!!!!!!
Lol3lVey 6 months ago
Thanks.
JRobbySh 6 months ago
Your pronunciation of the letter y is off. It is supposed to be pronounced /y/, like the 'u' in the French word 'tu,' or the German 'ü.' In the video, you pronounced it /ı/.
mij194 6 months ago
beautiful i wish i could say it this way
bigmom987 6 months ago
i climbed to the top of Arthur's Seat a few days ago. it's so beautiful :)
skylercreature 6 months ago
Beautiful we as an English people should learn our language. It truly is a beautiful language. Let's reclaim our heritage. Somebody somewhere set the flame alight and let us be free. Solije.
Enquiringmind777 6 months ago 27
@Enquiringmind777 to bloody right mate, currently teaching myself.
mrmartinmartin 2 months ago
@Enquiringmind777 Ah, but how far do you go back? Do you reclaim Anglo-Saxon heritage? Celtic Heritage? Or elsewhere? There have been many influxes of culture and language on our small island. The blood of the people, alone, is still a disputed issue. Some say the Saxons contributed very little, to nothing of the bloodline. It's impossible to say what our real heritage is. I, for one, am proud of the diversity. We have a lot of history in these Isles. It's fascinating.
DefeatedElitist 1 month ago
@DefeatedElitist They've done studies, most English people are mostly descended from the Anglo-Saxons.
spackhollogay 3 weeks ago
That's beautiful.
truvelocity 7 months ago
Barbarian language for a false religion.
He came this extinct language back to life for say nonsenses with.
DaLynxfighta 7 months ago
@DaLynxfighta Wut
C5H5N5O 7 months ago
@DaLynxfighta I imagine he made this video because he has a passion for the Anglo Saxon language and history of our people. I don't think he made this video to spread religious dogma. What do you think you're doing? insulting somebody's work because you can't relate to it is a bit silly, isn't it? I'm an atheist but that does not mean i can't appreciate the artwork, music, language, architecture etc. that religion has given us. When people create art in the name of god, it tends to be good.
johnyprestige 7 months ago 3
@johnyprestige Exactly. I have the same passion for the history and languages of those times, and whether we like it or not Christianity played a massive role in almost all of it. The best way I've found to learn Old and Middle English was by reading prayers and hymns. Especially ones like this, I can find hundreds of translations of the Lord's Prayer, so it's amazingly easy to learn that way. This stuff is beautiful, I wish people weren't so extremist.
punchdrunkatheist 6 months ago
@DaLynxfighta
what does language have to do with religion you nonce
VigisKane 4 months ago
Old English closely resembles both german and swedish,to my mind it sounded way better back then without the enormous french influence that changed the language beyong recognition after the 11th century..
LeninKGB 7 months ago
@2meroyn but there is still a wider range in OE, and even the "dual" category (singular, dual, plural). Maybe it's just that it's being for me a big pain to study every declination and conjugation, but I somehow I found German easier (if German can be labelled as easy). Anyway, it's a pleasure to find someone so interested on this =)
JabiCobain 7 months ago
Sothlice /soplice = means "Truly" rather than Amen
Urum = our
alyse means "rescue" or "save"
yfele = "evil"
gyltas = literally guilts = equivilent of "sins"
swae swae = just as it is
swae = [by itself] = so / as
2meroyn 7 months ago
@2meroyn how do you know thats what they mean
stealth1692 6 months ago
@stealth1692 Sorry mate, I'm not sure which of my posts this refers to. if by 'they' you mean the vocabulary, proouns, connectives, then its simply a case of learning it. Although personally I can see the similarity to english today, many of their common words arent used anymore, like 'folk' instead of 'people' which is more common today in the UK, but americans still use folk fairly widely. I was amazed the other day to find that 'Strand' which means beach in German i believe, meant sea- edge
2meroyn 6 months ago
To read the Bible and get what it is saying you need to be fluent and have a highly advanced understanding of their cultures at the time they were written. A computer can give us pretty accurate English translations. NASB and NBSB are literal. Even if it is a word for word perfect translation (which is nearly impossible and impossible for something like Navajo to Arabic). A culture is bound to have thoughts and expressions that another culture has no direct equivalent or even a similar word
Grimfoul 7 months ago
@Grimfoul Yes, you are right, but I think that an older version of your own language is not the same as a foreign one, you learm about your own language, you learn some often quite beautiful concepts they had with words
Hlaford = is translated as Lord in modern English - in Old English they were saying "loaf man" or the man who fed you.
thrithe = peace unthrithe = war or unpeace, its interesting that they saw war as a break in peace rather than an entity of its own
2meroyn 7 months ago
It doesn't seem to be full on Old English. It seems like this text/translation/reading was in a transition phase between later Old English and the very beginning of what we call Middle English. Much how later Middle English gradually turned into Early Modern English (the 100yrs leading up to the King James Bible(which is not a good translation at all). I like how it sounds read aloud but Greek at that time did not translate well to English. Nor does it today.
Grimfoul 7 months ago
@Grimfoul no, this is absolutely Old English in its oldest writte form. the Lords prayer was one of the oldest thing to be written im afraid. And there was no middle english changes before 1066 i'm afraid either. after 1066 the Lords prayer would have been in Latin and no longer in Old English. It is only with French influence that we get Middle English and Anglo-Saxon England was not infleunced by French at all before the conquest. This is pure Old English - It's freakily easy to understand no?
2meroyn 7 months ago
I'm afraid its completely Old English, Middle English did not develop until after the Norman Conquest... Middle English is basically a combination of French and Old English. - Old English stopped being an official language in 1066, so the Lords prayer in the vernacular was only used before the conquest. Old English isn't that difficult to understand when you see the words and think about them, their word order could be very odd but many writers wrote in the same order as we do now or - SVO
2meroyn 7 months ago
The Anglo-Saxons on the edge of destruction under Alfred the Great in 877 could never have imagined in their wildest dreams that their words would be spoken by half a billion people in the world today.
2meroyn 7 months ago 2
@2meroyn That's an exaggeration. Most english speakers wouldn't understand a word of old english.
agents1986 7 months ago
@agents1986 No I think I am correct. I am a native speaker and I am currently doing a masters research paper on Old English, most native speakers recognise the pronouns and many of the words, it simply takes a few seconds to read and say aloud before you can recognise it. I knew no Old English until 2 months ago, after just a few weeks of learning the grammar I can translate many texts without great recourse to a glossary.
e.g. easy
He sæde ðæt Norðmanna land wære swyþe lang & swyðe smæl.
2meroyn 7 months ago
@2meroyn I'm a native speaker too, and to me, without having studied it, it sounds like elvish from the lord of the rings.
agents1986 7 months ago
@agents1986 Well, I think that's a pity, but it only takes few sentances to get used to the different spelling
btw below was
"He said that the land of the Northern men was very long and very small [narrow]" - I bet you can see it now
2meroyn 7 months ago
@agents1986 its just a couple of words like Swyde which throw people off, but we can recognise that the land is small and long without it.
2meroyn 7 months ago
wow,this anglo-saxon is amazing...we have read beowulf in old english in school :D
retrofreak7777 7 months ago
@retrofreak7777 that's pretty cool, but Beowulf is very hard Old English - its a poem which means that they are doing things with the words they wouldn't do in a conversation or on normal prose. poems are the hardest to understand in foreign languages as sayings can be very odd.
the Anglo Saxon Chronicle which stretches from 450 ad to 1153 ad is written in simple old english and a great way of diving into the language of our ancestors.
2meroyn 7 months ago
@2meroyn yeah,I know...that's why we also have read this on modern english cuz we aren't native speakers :)
retrofreak7777 7 months ago
Wow, it's amazing how I can ALMOST understand this... the evolution of languages is such a fascinating subject!!
SergeantLuke 7 months ago
@SergeantLuke Many of the words are like English words today [for instance all the words in the previous sentance are Old English]
It would be very easy for native English people to learn to read Old English, perhaps revive a few dead words which are cool like 'weye' which means road but i can see it being street language so easily.
- anyone could be reading old English documents in a couple of weeks if they want and many are as old as 700 ad.
2meroyn 7 months ago
It's so similar to English, I know the Lords prayer but even if I didn't this is pretty easy to understand.. it should still be a spoken language :/
xx
SiriusPunk 7 months ago
Ah der Vater Unser auf altenglischer Sprache! :-)
Xav87ier 7 months ago 2
@Xav87ier I can see you are writing about Old English speach [language] but I have no idea what your sentance means - I think our languages have changed too much:(
2meroyn 7 months ago
@2meroyn also my sentance means this: ah this is the Lords Prayer in Old English!
It is very similar to german, dutch and to other german dialects; but it is right: modern English is very different from other germanic languages.
Xav87ier 7 months ago
@Xav87ier Many thanks for saying its meaning, I'm afraid I have next to no knowldge of German though I recognise that perhaps Old Saxons and Anglo-Saxons may have been mutually intelligable before 1200 ad - its quite sad that so many latinate words have entered our language. But at the same time I think thats what makes it so accessible to so many people as it combines many features of many languages but retains some character of its germanic self.
2meroyn 7 months ago
I'm german but I LOVE Old English ... it's such a beautiful language and has an awesome pronunciation. I wish there would be any ways to learn this language.
I also love Gaelic, Welsh and the northern/scandinavian languages <3
IthildinTheWolf 8 months ago 18
@IthildinTheWolf you can learn old english
stealth1692 8 months ago
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yurismir1 6 months ago
@IthildinTheWolf You can learn it. There are people who know it. J.R.R. Tolkien knew Old English.
yurismir1 6 months ago
@IthildinTheWolf Actually, I'm learning it right now.
mij194 6 months ago
@IthildinTheWolf there are courses available to learn the language, I think Germans grasp it very easily, its possesses all german cases, but has only two tenses [the hardest part of modern english i think is that it has 12 or something haha]
2meroyn 4 months ago
@IthildinTheWolf
hi...Ich studiere in Schweiz...wir haben eine Vorlesung die Old English behandelt. Informiere dich mal an einer Uni in deiner Nähe....
steee126 3 months ago
@IthildinTheWolf Its such a beautiful language cause its in the Germanic family. :)
prodigiousbastard 3 months ago
i am a native english speaker, but yeah, i can notice similarities
IBIZAWASH 8 months ago
i feel like we'd be much more badass if we still spoke this
garrge245 8 months ago
stealth1692 8 months ago
Maybe the coolest video in Youtube. <3
JJR86 8 months ago
The prayer you are citing actually pronounced liks this as your watered down version doesn't note difference in vowel length and chnage in consonant sounds. "Sī þīn nama ġehālgod" = Sei thein nama(name) yehaalgod(hallowed). This came from the German angle and saxon tribes and so they came from the same tree as German. To be: German =Sei OE = Sī . Your: German = Dein, OE Thein. A normal "I" = EE.
KrigareavGud 8 months ago
Ok why do you pronounce Faeder with a aa instead of "a" as in cat? Especially why are you pronouncing "D" as if it's a thorn? You say Sothlice wrong...it is a voiced thorn not silent. It means "Soothly"...think about it.
KrigareavGud 8 months ago
I GUESS THIS HOW MODERN ENGLISH SOUNDS TO PEOPLE WHO DONT SPEAK ENGLISH
carameloxx 8 months ago
WOW, incredible...eerie even.
meadowfrance 8 months ago
the links dont work :/
robbiejw2010 8 months ago
@robbiejw2010 Sorry, I will fix it as soon as possible.
sodada 8 months ago
@robbiejw2010 Fixed now :-)
sodada 8 months ago
It looks like the doomsday last words before the end of the world. Anyway it sounds like swedish or danish.
Francesko263 8 months ago
@Francesko263 When the Viking invaded, they could understand the language spoken. Old Flemish spoken in Holland and Denmark is the closest language to English actually.
jeabo0adhd 8 months ago
@jeabo0adhd That's right. But I heard closest language to english is old frisian.
Francesko263 8 months ago
@Francesko263 yes a load of anglo saxons came from frisland
stealth1692 8 months ago
@stealth1692 I red on wikipedia frisian language was spoken throughtout the entire North Sea coast. It was spoken from northern Belgium to northern Germany (including Mecklenburg and Pommern) and southern Denmark. There was an incredible language unity from Flanders to northern Germany and southern Denmark passing throug Netherlands, north-western Germany and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.
Francesko263 8 months ago
@Francesko263 old english is close to frisian but there not exactly the same
stealth1692 8 months ago
@stealth1692 they have many differences
AdmiralStickney 8 months ago
Maximilian von Sydow
pneumosilacosis 8 months ago
This sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger speaking modern English.
antoniorossiz 9 months ago 49
@antoniorossiz
LOL. i was like "wow this sounds weird..." than i look and read your comment and laugh..nice one.
SOF2Marine 4 months ago
The audio alone... so stirring. Music reminiscent of Brian Eno's Ambients.
Voice was well executed. The visuals finish this perfectly...
DeWoodyard 9 months ago 4
@DeWoodyard Thanks!
sodada 9 months ago
1:02 My roflcopter goes swaswaswaswaswaswa
sharperguy 9 months ago
awesome
thankyou!
neil33491 9 months ago
Nonsense. It's sure that Anglo-Saxons pronounced ''w'' like Germans or Scandinavians - ''w'' as ''v'' or ''f''. The same ''i'' like today ''ee''; ''j'' like today ''y'' (yes, yet) etc. English phonetics changed later, in XIII -XV c. Sorry my english - I hope you will understand. Greetings!
religiofob 9 months ago
@religiofob What is your source on this? As I understand it the "W" was always pronounced in Germanic speech as it is in English today. German went through a consonant shift, "W" was then pronounced as "V".
JohnMatrix89 9 months ago
@JohnMatrix89
Part 1.
1. English language (especially phonetics) is different than other Germanic languages. It was an influence of French language and its phonetics (after Norman conquest 1066). Compare French pronunciation ''j'' to English.
2. This prayer is elder than Modern English phonetics. Old english textes were written by monks and other clergy. They wrote consistently with Latin meaning of letters. For example, ''swa swa'' on this prayer - today they would wrote ''sva sva''.
religiofob 9 months ago
@JohnMatrix89
Part 2.
3. English phonetics moved away from meaning of Latin letters. For example, ''York'' in modern English is written by ''Y''. But in Middle English was ''Jork'' (with ''J'') <Jorvik (Vikings village in England). This name is elder than Modern English phonetics! (in Polish there is ''Jork" too). English spelling keeps many of archaisms - look at the words ''knight, thought, through'' - not heard the letters ''g'', ''h'', ''t'' and others.
Source; polish literature.
religiofob 9 months ago
@religiofob I am not sure where they are getting their information. From all the material I have seen the only consonants that were said different were c, g, h, sc. The rest of the consonants were said as they are today, including w.
JohnMatrix89 9 months ago
@JohnMatrix89
Part 1.
1. Find on YT ''Latin Alphabet" (there is in a few versions). Listen to original Latin phonetics. On YT there are other alphabets - I recommend Italian (most related with ancient Latin), German, Swedish etc.
2. Then you should listen to French and English alphabets. You will observe differences - bigger in English.
3. Almost all european countries assumed Christianity from Rome. Spelling was initiated by monks which made that consistiently with Latin phonetics.
religiofob 9 months ago
@JohnMatrix89
Part 2.
Monks were written SOUNDS consistiently with Latin letters.
4. After initiation of alphabet, some languages were changing, especially English. After 1066, all high classes and nobles speaked French. English was a language of plebs - to (circa) 1400. Simply people deformed language - educated people didn't interest in... This is why today English phonetics is different than other european languages...
religiofob 9 months ago
@religiofob According to the Oxford Dictionary there was no letter in the Latin alphabet for the "double u" sound. They started by using "uu" and then adopted "w" to represent the "uu". "W" was pronounced as a "v" sound, so you were half right :)
JohnMatrix89 9 months ago
@JohnMatrix89
I disagree with you. "W'' is a ''double V'' ( in Modern English alphabet simply ''double'' :) ). This letter was added to alphabet in VII-VIII c. by Karolings chroniclers and means ''stronger V''. ''UU''? - I don't know what meaning of this letter you have in mind? English or European? Accord to European pronounciation, ''UU'' means longer ''oo oo'' (too, soon). ''UU'' and ''V'' are the other matters - according my education :)
religiofob 9 months ago 2
@religiofob "UU" is double-u. Double means 2 in English, there are 2 "u"'s. Its just the sound of the letter spelled out. According to Oxford they used the "uu" before adopting the "w".
JohnMatrix89 9 months ago
@JohnMatrix89
Part 1.
I wonder that you was writing. I don't heard about it. Generally, in linguistic processes vowels transformed to other vowels, consonants to other consonants (compare ''and/und'' or ''too/zu''). Long ''UU'' (in continental Franks language even threefold ''UUU''!) transformed to (in German language) ''u'' with ''umlaut'' (sorry, I haven't this on my PC!). For example, there is different phonetics in ''ubung'' and ''ingang''. Are you sure?
religiofob 9 months ago
@JohnMatrix89
Part 2.
Compare some germanic words with ''w'' in English and German ''when/wenn, what/was, wonder/wunder'' etc. Germans (and others germanic peoples) pronounce ''w'' as ''v'', only English in a different way... ??? And remember we speak about period VII-XI c. when differences were smaller... Personally, I'm doubtful about that.
religiofob 9 months ago
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Ðe Angelfolc hwint to ða plǽs todǽ to ámyrðrdon a Norðman for fuccing ap Þǽr angle lǽdensprǽc. It wæs God's will.
KrigareavGud 9 months ago
I am an english student in a university from the south of Brazil. Last week our teacher shown us this prayer. At first it was very strange to me, but hearing it again it sounds very beatiful.
cleitonhvsilva 9 months ago
This prayer and the video reminds me a lot of the climbing Croagh Patrick in Ireland. On the back of its southern slopes there is a local countryside road, along which there are the posts including the history of Croagh Patrick. One of them contains the information that, unlike the Celts who had worshipped the Sun on the top of Croagh Patrick, the Christians should worship the true Sun, Jesus Chist, who will never perish nor anyone who does His will.
Forsinard10 9 months ago
· This prayer and the video reminds me of the climbing Croagh Patrick in Ireland. There are the prayer stations on the slopes of the mountain and the pilgrims are encouraged to pray "Our Father" as well. In the pagan age the Celts had worshipped the Sun on the top of the Croagh Patrick but in 5th century St. Patrick encouraged the Hibernian people to worship the true Sun- Jesus Christ, who will never perish nor anyone who does His will.
Forsinard10 9 months ago
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Forsinard10 9 months ago
Amazing! I found that old languages Is very interesting, and how It sounds. For me (I'm from sweden), It sounds a bit like mixing icelandic with english.
LellePrinter82 9 months ago
I wonder if George Lucas got the idea of Jar-jar Binx' speech from old english? Absolutely no offense intended, just an observation.
rickitickidicki 10 months ago
just wondering shouldn't gehalgod be pronounced Yuh-hal-god? Trying to learn the lingo and if I'm wrong I'm not doing very well
Bloomazz 10 months ago
@Bloomazz I agree - the /j/ sound
enzedbrit 10 months ago
Is this language hard to learn? I already speak French, English and a bit of Latin. And I'd really love to learn this language. My favorite part of the video was the part that sounded like "Forgive us or guilt us"
FANADICALCOWHEAD 10 months ago
everyone in england should learn old english its part of our history
stealth1692 10 months ago 26
@stealth1692 I am a patriot and am Anglo-Saxon and proud, I am here to tell you that you are not alone
AdmiralStickney 8 months ago
@AdmiralStickney thank you
stealth1692 8 months ago
@stealth1692 not just that actually learn English grammar because when it comes to me learning German i can't relate the grammar to English so I have to basically learn it fresh which is very hard
MultiCren 8 months ago
@MultiCren english and german are close languges some of the words sound the same in english
stealth1692 8 months ago
@stealth1692 yeah but the Grammar is fucking difficult they have like 10 different ways of just saying the.
MultiCren 8 months ago
@MultiCren Old English grammar is the easiest of all modern languages actually. They have only two tenses past and present simple and no future tense [its formed with 'could' and 'should'
- they have a different 'the' for words depending on their gender [like french/ spanish/german/italian today] and for where the word is in the sentance [object or subject] but that is all.
-you might be confusing 'tham' 'thisse' 'theos' and 'tha' which mean [to them] [this] [those] and [who/that/which
2meroyn 7 months ago
@stealth1692 They're close because they both derived from the same language. You'll notice large similarities in Anglo-Saxon to Icelandic, Swedish, Norwegian and other Germanic languages as well.
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@MultiCren Old English grammer is very simply compared to modern German :) Modern English grammar is probably harder than Old English grammar because we have so many tenses but our sentance order is a bit simpler than Old English
2meroyn 7 months ago
@2meroyn I'm not native and I may be wrong but I do not agree with this. I'm studiyng both OE and German and though the declination system works similarly, OE grammar seems to me slightly harder than Modern German's (Instrumental case, different declensions depending on light/heavy syllables, ...). And about Modern English, there are more tenses, yes, but it's quite simpler, there's no need to decline, which often is the greatest problem to most students of OE. Or at least that's how I see it =P
JabiCobain 7 months ago
@JabiCobain I certainly agree that there are many similarities between OE and German in terms of their vocabulary and grammatical forms, If i remember correctly though, in OE the Instrumental case was absorbed into the Dative case by 850 ad, there are very few OE texts from before this time which survived the Viking invasions so its not a particular issue for the majority of the available literature. I'm not sure if I understand what light and heavy syllables are, do you mean strong/weak verbs?
2meroyn 7 months ago
@JabiCobain Modern English does possess a case system though, we have retained nominative, accusative, and genitive cases in our personal pronouns, which makes it incredibly simple to learn OE pronound as they have changed very little. You are right though that conjugations are more complex than in Modern English, but a relatively short table of weak and strong verbs in the past and present simple alongside the imperative is, i feel anyhow :P, very little to learn compared to German or Latin.
2meroyn 7 months ago
@JabiCobain Your course sounds amazing though I could go back and do two languages like that - I hope this year goes / went well for you.
2meroyn 7 months ago
@2meroyn Thanks for the good wishes =)
With light/heavy syllable I mean that depending on the length of the syllable, some declinations vary a bit. Nominative plural for neutral "scip" (light syll.) is "scipu", whereas for neutral "word" (heavy syll.) is "word". Problably you are right and the instrumental case disappeared when OE evolved into Late West Saxon. I'm only studing now Early OE and this case is still there. And pronouns, you're right, ModEnglish somehow retain cases,
JabiCobain 7 months ago
wow.. what a blessing !
MrChrisVillegas 11 months ago
Hey there. I have a question. Why did you read "heofonum" as English "heaven" and "nama" as "nam" ?
Meph1k 11 months ago
OE is much more expressive and strong than nowadays english! AMAZING!
Francesko263 11 months ago
@Francesko263 It isn't a very organized language though, there isn't much structure. It's hard to tell the difference between a question and a statement.
urantivirus 11 months ago
@urantivirus It's little latinized.
Francesko263 11 months ago
If any one can tell me when we started pronouncing W the way we do as opposed to it sounding like a V, I would be grateful.
ALBIONTYKE 11 months ago
@ALBIONTYKE I think the W was always pronounced in Germanic as it is in English today. German had a constant shift early in its history where the W was pronounced as V.
JohnMatrix89 10 months ago
@JohnMatrix89 Thank you for your information.
ALBIONTYKE 10 months ago
To some comments below. The technical words in English are predominately Norman French. The basic words are of Germanic origin combining Norse & Saxon. For instance most English swear words often referred to as guttural Anglo-Saxon are very similar to German swear words & not French. Think of Germanic English words like Ta ( thank you ) Yes from Ya Sire ( Sires being Norman overlords) flesh,kitchen,come,left, bread,right, numbers 4 6 7 8 9 20 100. Then French ie technique & vision & trance.
ALBIONTYKE 11 months ago
Can I get just you speaking this, without hte music in the background? I need it for a project. PLease and Thank you!
Yourattentionplease 11 months ago
Old English is so much different than modern English.
More Germanic and Norse than continental Romance languages like old French, Latin, Vulgar Latin....
dishwasherman83 11 months ago
I am quit certain that this isn't all correct
silenteyesspy 11 months ago
@silenteyesspy What makes you say that? The words are certainly correct. The only possible error is in pronunciation. But Sondre Danielsen sounds like a Scandinavian to me, and Scandinavians, particularly Danes in my own experience, seem to take to the English language like ducks to water.
velapulsar 11 months ago
God bless all people!
ZutiBar1 11 months ago
If you had half a brain you would have left out the fucking background noise.
jeffskelleya 11 months ago
@jeffskelleya WROOOONG
Incidentally wrong is an Old English word.
TheWoodenKnight 11 months ago
i have to learn this in english -.-
twinkletoesstar 11 months ago
And THIS is why English is considered a Germanic language.
TrueBlueJMS 11 months ago