well not all locomotives are hybrids some diesels are chain driven. there not seen on mainlines and are very rare now days. and dont think have been built for over 20 years to quate me on that but when diesels electric came out thats when hybrids came out lol
@FiReStOrMWolverine The only thing I can think of is maybe increased battery capacity, so the traction motors can shunt the locomotive on their own when its running unloaded. But even that would need huge energy capacity and I don't see where they would have put them.
@Turbo617 It uses the energy generated from braking and stores it in the battery. ht tp :/ /ww w .getransportation. com/ra il/rail-products/ locomotives/ hybrid-locomotive. html
@singwith False info . GECX 2010 is owned by GE transportation for testing and devlopement of the hybrid system . UP 2010 was a renumbered UP GEVO 7469 that has the boy scouts logo to celebrating the 100th anniversary of the Scouts .
Why go the hybrid route when all they have to do is go with a water diesel-emulsion in their present locomotives and save up to 50% or more on fuel. It’s being done in cargo ships and it’s been used in busses and trucks in Nevada and California. A few modifications and the Emulsification could be done right in the locomotives. Ships use seawater and the Russians have even placed a cavatition emulsifier for ships on the market
@CMI1986X64 that hybrid uses the GEVO-12 engine, I know, but ut also has a HUGE battery to help run the generator so that can actually help with fuel savings; the diesel engine doesn't have to work as hard. Also that battery can be used to even power a passenger train while the locomotive prime mover is movign the train.
@GordonFreemanD40 Good to know, thanks for going a little more in depth. I noticed this video is a few years old now. Has this technology been adopted by the rail industries atall ?
@BARRIEMOREBARLOW Regular diesel-electric locomotives employ a dynamic braking which turns traction motors to generators and the resulting electric energy is dissipated at the resistor banks on the loco roof. This new "hybrid" setup charges batteries with the dynamic braking electricity, instead of boiling resistors. Then the battery charge can be used to ease diesel consumption under heavy load situations, such as taking off from standstill.
@theorangelemons Feel free to name a hybrid car that also doesn't have a gas tank? Do you understand what the word "hybrid" means and how the technology works?
GOP govs elect in Iowa and Wisconsin are suspicious to go for high speed rail...if European private companies can do it, why or why can't we do it? Happy Holidays to all :)
WOW GE is so lame! They continue to use the same cookie cutter widecab design. I bet these things will stall trains in the midwest just like all their previous models.
Looks as though General Electric is definitely working on stabilizing the railroads' fuel budgets with this hybrid, based on the Centennial Series diesel-electric. Wonder what battery technology is best suited to the onboard electrical system?
Thank you for that ! It was nice to see that big money is going into big engines to make things cleaner. I live only 5 miles away from the GM Electro-Motive Train plant. It's been almost dead for a couple of decades now. It would be nice if they could ramp it back up to it's glory days production level.
Nice vid, nice locomotor, nice colors. But if this is supposed to be for real the rest of 20-30 cars will be just for the batteries. "hybrid" is the fashionable word now in the ground trasportation business. It's the magic word to get some funds for research but the real consistency of this technology must be evaluated case by case. For railroad application in the actual fact I don't see a near future for the hybrid approach.
I hate the tinted windows.. When you are trying to film and get a shot of the crew but can't see them because of the dark windows, it kind of takes away from the railroading experience in a way.
Hybrid to me means that the train can run on electricity or a diesel engine. Trains have ran on a diesel engine turning a generator which produces electricity which turns traction motors on the wheels How is a hybrid locomotive any different?
Does anyone know the amount of electricity that is generated by a standard(4000-4400hp) road locomotive in full dynamic condition per minute? I am wondering if you could build what is essentially a slug from a retired SD-40-2 frame, but instead of using concrete the weight is batteries that would be charged by the dynamics of non-hybrid locomotives in the consist. The stored electricity would be used to drive the train uphill when the diesel prime movers are maxed out.
@epistte I believe this is basically correct. The braking effort is stored in a large cell and the power contained therein transferred back to the main drive somehow.
@p51death I need to find the amount of electricity that would be generated by a SD 4K road locomotive to calculate if the idea is feasible and financially viable, but neither GE or EMD are talking.
This electricity is currently exhausted as hot air via a grid but if it could be reliably harnessed at reasonable cost it would allow older 3-4th generation locomotives to be updated to the hybrid technology of the next generation GEs
In Germany we also have tested a new hybrid locomotive, the 203.7 from Alstom. In the United States you have a bigger market for this new technology, because in Europe we mostly use E-Locomotives.
So....wait what? How is it a hybrid? Is that second car a electric slug? If so that makes more sense, just mislable it as a devolpment center and tada.
GE 2010 is a GEVO Tier ? with batteries on board that charge during dynamic breaking. Dynamic breaking is when the loco slows a train down by applying electrical resistance through the traction motors on the trucks. In the standard loco this electrical resistance is dissipated as heat through the grids just behind the cab and thus the electric energy is "wasted as heat". In the Hybrid 2010 the electrical energy charges the on board batteries. The passenger car is a mobile test lab.
@iAirsoft69 yes I am hehe. Rail is still to this day without a doubt the most cost effective and efficient way to transport goods. if you wanted to ship a load of cars on rail. Each one would get with a destination of 250mpg. only on rail is this possible.
the UP unit is (UP Class C45ACCTE). and I suppose the test unit techinically is with the storage batteries installed, but that is for huntwds to say...
Did you confuse this GE locomotive with an EMD? EMD is in Canada, this is a GE model, GE locomotive (Transportation) engineering is in Erie, Pa. See, this is the way you question someone, you dont act like a punk and call them a lier.
The initial concept was developed at GE in Erie, Pa. This unit was a standard GE locomotive with many additional batteries added that would be charged during braking and used at launch to save on fuel, thus the hybrid part. I helped work on the cooling system for the batteries, no need to lie it is a fact, the engineering study began in Erie.
my stepdad worked for the l and n rr as a carpeck (brakes) from the time he was 16 till he was 61.died of asbestos lung cancer 2 yrs ago.they gave him a few hundred dollars in the early 60's to sign a release for the rr releasing them from any damages from asbestos.now owned by cxs.shame shame rip bill carroll we miss u
I worked on the initial concept test rig of this locomotive about 4 years ago. It had lots of batteries that I believe captured and stored electricity during braking and then during launch would help during acceleration, the specs called for about 5 to 10% fuel savings, don't know what it is now, I left shortly after the project started. It was a mess to hook all the batteries and cooling up.
No you dident work for that initial project BC it was made in ontario and sold to LA county etc And it doesent run on fuel at all it is electricly powered and the battery's last 15 years without recharge so dont make up lies if u dont know what ur talking about
that is great insight. Thank you for sharing.... my one thought still lingers on "hybrid" vehicles. Aren't all these batteries very heavy and very expensive? What is the expected life cycle of these batteries and cost of replacement? I struggle to grasp the overall savings with an expensive consummable component as the operational key in the technology. And cost of recycling/disposal of the batteries is not a cheap affair either. Thanks!
@BudmanPackfan I think the whole hybrid project is put on hold until GE or another company can develop better batteries. IMPO i think this project is just to show a prof of concept or to impress the Greenies
No. Diesel-electrics, exc. this GE, are not hybrids.
If they use their motors to generate electical power on braking, it's dissipated via huge resistor grids. To save brake wear, and reduce brake heating on long downgrades. Called dynamic braking.
The hybrid locos can store such energy on braking in batteries, and draw on that for traction later. Like hybrid cars.
Formula 1 cars were allowed this ("KERS") this past year, too.
Overhead catenary, and third rail, are very rare in the US.
By the way, if rail freight traffic increases, won't there be a need for increased personnel to man the rail system and to manufacture locos and cars and everything that goes with it? So, jobs lost somewhere will be compensated by jobs cerated elsewhere maybe not in the same numbers but there will be good number of jobs created nevertheless.
Surely "6V9TA", truckers someplace may go out of business but rail freight saves fuel and money. You will still need trucks to carry the goods from the freight trains to the final destination as trains do not provide thae flexibility than trucks can. So it is a question of truckers needing to adapt and if they can't...well they will go out of business sooner than later.
Hybrid locomotives are an excellent idea, but I think it might be also logical to create dual-mode locomotives like the old EMD FL9 series built for the New Haven Railroad. The FL9 used a diesel engine driven generator to power its motors, but could also use the third rail system in NYC for electric power (this was to comply with an old city law forbidding the use of "fume emitting" locomotives inside the city). In this case, use overhead wires instead of the third rail for the main lines.
there has been a lot of experimentation with various types of transmissions for locomotives, mechancial direct drive, hydraulic, DC/AC/DC, all DC, AC/DC and all AC... seems in NA the most preferred is some form of electric transmission, and that depends on the duty the loco will mostly perform. D-H is pretty common in Europe, just not as successful here for what ever the reasons where...
Railroads have better technology than cars, diesel locomotives are like hybrid cars. But now with this "new" technology it will pollute even less than now. Alternative energy is not a new area. Trains are the transport of the future!
This is correct. I believe they are adding to the fact that since these models have batteries that this will make the diesel engine not have to be heavily loaded on light hauls as much. And thus saves on fuel consumption. But even without the batteries it is still a hybrid.
Rail locomotives are diesel-electric because it is almost impossible to build a drive system to multiple steerable axles any other way. Large mining machines are also diesel electric for the same reason, but they don't need dynamic brakes. The new GE are a series hybrid because the batteries alone cannot power the locomotive w/ the diesel engine shut down.
actually, the Budd Self Propelled cars are mechanical driven. You can make locomotives mechanical drivin...but the stresses and weights involved are so immense that drive shafts will be twisted upon notching up. Also, there's big mining dump trucks that have the traditional automatic transmissions like the CAT 793F.
I was unaware of the existence of Budd cars, but Cat has been forced to build an electric drive truck (795AF) to compete with Liebherr, Komatsu and Unit Rig. The packaging of a mechanical drive locomotive would tremendously increase its physical size and maintenance requirements.
Well for the fact that electric locos like the Acela HHP-8 and ALP-46s have high horsepower were considered good runners
however, in my opinion, there can't be a railway without diesel power For example, if the power goes and you have several trains stranded without power; how will they be rescued.. Diesel power!
btw ..that hybrid locomotive.. I've heard Lionel is going into production for them for release by Fall.. and the cost..wao..$1000..lol
Yes MTH is releasing a version of the locomotive as well, and it's $500 and comes with the GECX 90 engineering car. A pretty good bang for the buck, although the Lionel engine is die cast and I'm sure the sounds will be a little better.
Seriously some of the most powerfull locomotives in service in America are electric only and in any case the tractive effort comes from electricity its just generated on board on Diesel Electric locos. The Amtrak Acela Express power cars make 6000 horse each and there are two per train. What is the horse on the GE engine in this video 4400 or 4000
Does GE think people are stupid or something? Freight trains have been diesel electric before even my grandpa was born and they are just now calling them hybrids?? LOL. They must think we are dumb. When will those marketers ever learn...
This is a hybrid locomotive because it has batteries that store energy when the train brakes.....so you shouldn't just think you know everything...do some research and find out before you post a stupid comment. It is still diesel electric, but it has hybrid technology.
Instead of getting all huffy puffy maybe you need to look up the two types of hybrid systems. Diesel-electric trains are series hybrids so therefore they were hybrids before GE decided to let the world know they are hybrids and just because the motor braking electrical energy is stored in batteries does not mean you call it a hybrid again..It is like calling a hybrid and hybrid twice. Maybe it should be called a double hybrid locomotive, in that it can run off the diesel or batteries or both.
oil is organic and is constantly being produced and i am fully aware this is not a plug in as i was once a mechanic,i worked for illinois central railroad,i liked staying local and became an electrician, wind,solar,geothermal wont cut it as it is not predictable,nuclear is the way to go with small battery packs,but the enviormentalist keep stopping this from happening but that is the way to go,to much info to share in this space,imagine a small long lasting nuclear type battery,it already exist
all this electric plug in stuff still has to have electricity generated by what ? take a guess , further more OIL OIL and more OIL HAS to be used to machine all those parts and lubricate all those axle bearings etc. ,in order to get rid of OIL you would have to live in a time several hundred years ago and use stuff like whale blubber on your primative wheel, or walk or ride an animal or something , the amouny of energy it would take to go all electric is beyond belief ,global warming is a lie !
if you watched the linked video by GE, it's not a plug in, it captures braking energy as stored power and reuses it, instead of losing that energy as heat.
But instead of checking it out you went off on a global warming rant. Yes electricity is largely made with fossil fuels NOW but you might have noticed that we are working on that part (wind, solar, tidal, geothermal, improved grid...) so yeah, over time, needing less and less oil.
Unless you are just against conservation and science.
There are natural oils.. and most electricity is generated with coal. I take it your actual grief is with fossil fuels?
We can live in a totally carbon neutral world, with plant based oils and synthetics. Look up Algae based biodiesel - 20,000 gallons per acre(ethanol is 180gal/acre), sequesters more Co2 than it produces once burned, can be grown off of flew gasses from power plants and sewage treatment. All electric will be possible when energy storage (capacitors) meets our needs.
umm, dude, every axle turning out there today that isn't under a vintage steam engine is being turned by electricity, you do know that, right? Generated onboard, but electricity...that's why they call them diesel-electrics.
"we dont want electric locomotives. they are crap, and not powerful enough."
Amtk122, you do realize I hope that the only difference between an electric loco and a diesel-electric loco is where the power source if coming from. They both use electric motors though for the traction. So how does your logic apply with saying an electric loco is not powerful enough compared to diesel-electric?
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4licarny 6 days ago
nice!!!!!
crazytaxi1000 1 week ago
well not all locomotives are hybrids some diesels are chain driven. there not seen on mainlines and are very rare now days. and dont think have been built for over 20 years to quate me on that but when diesels electric came out thats when hybrids came out lol
mikey765l 1 month ago
They really need both of those locomotives to pull that extremely heavy car.
kersting408 1 month ago
Hasn't every locomotive after the steam engines been a series hybrid?
tubabooba2 1 month ago
How can that be a "hybrid" when EVERY diesel locomotive is a hybrid?
Turbo617 1 month ago
@Turbo617 That's what I was thinking
FiReStOrMWolverine 1 month ago
@FiReStOrMWolverine The only thing I can think of is maybe increased battery capacity, so the traction motors can shunt the locomotive on their own when its running unloaded. But even that would need huge energy capacity and I don't see where they would have put them.
Turbo617 1 month ago
@Turbo617 It uses the energy generated from braking and stores it in the battery. ht tp :/ /ww w .getransportation. com/ra il/rail-products/ locomotives/ hybrid-locomotive. html
FiReStOrMWolverine 1 month ago
@FiReStOrMWolverine Locomotives have already been doing that for years. Looks like marketing pays again.
Turbo617 1 month ago
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TheHeardHouse 1 month ago
Im going on amtrak in summer some time
kalebsthebest67 2 months ago
9 people dont like trains
yz248f 2 months ago
all locomotives are hybrid!! this is just a new gen of hybrids!
sidejob995 2 months ago
you gotta LOVE MILLIONS of $ in motion!
bluecollarboiler 3 months ago
Aren't all locomotives hybrid?
jmbhalodia12 3 months ago
very nice!
tchnofile 4 months ago
@tchnofile thanks!
singwith 4 months ago
give me alco smoke!!!!
mikes47jeep 4 months ago
is the seccond unit the same thing but with union pacific paint?
metraman0102 4 months ago
@metraman0102 no, the second one is not a hybrid.
singwith 4 months ago
I love how GE has kept the same body style from the infamous Dash 8-40CW.
AustinAkens1 5 months ago
@AustinAkens1 well, I'd love to see something different style.
singwith 4 months ago 2
@singwith
I could deal with GEs wide cab bodies forever. Although, when inside, it's not looks it's power.
AustinAkens1 4 months ago
@singwith Don't say that! We'll be stuck in some stupid locomotive like the Chinese bought from GE!
novakane87 3 months ago
@singwith Yea, something more futuristic or modern looking...this design has been around forever and is far too common in my opinion.
NismoFinder 1 month ago
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SuperLololas 5 months ago
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SuperLololas 5 months ago
GECX 2010 was sold to UP and became UP 2010 and is joint owned by the Boy Scouts who plastered their logo on the hood and cab.
geomodelrailroader 6 months ago
@geomodelrailroader How did you know about it? source?
singwith 6 months ago
@singwith videos on youtube UP bought this unit after the demos
geomodelrailroader 6 months ago
@singwith UP bought this locomotive in 2010 and it was painted in boy scout colors most of the info I got came from Youtube
geomodelrailroader 6 months ago
@singwith False info . GECX 2010 is owned by GE transportation for testing and devlopement of the hybrid system . UP 2010 was a renumbered UP GEVO 7469 that has the boy scouts logo to celebrating the 100th anniversary of the Scouts .
CSXAC6000CW 5 months ago
@CSXAC6000CW Hope GE give us update of this unit.
singwith 4 months ago
@geomodelrailroader It is not joint owned, UP merely painted it and decaled it that way to honor 150 years of scouting.
outlandishtrendz 4 months ago
@outlandishtrendz LOL my mistake
geomodelrailroader 4 months ago
Why go the hybrid route when all they have to do is go with a water diesel-emulsion in their present locomotives and save up to 50% or more on fuel. It’s being done in cargo ships and it’s been used in busses and trucks in Nevada and California. A few modifications and the Emulsification could be done right in the locomotives. Ships use seawater and the Russians have even placed a cavatition emulsifier for ships on the market
okdon 6 months ago
I wish I got to see that.
ColinTheAwesomest 7 months ago
nothing hybrid is good.
barbarotico 7 months ago
Technically wouldn't all diesel/electric loco's be hybrids ??
CMI1986X64 7 months ago
@CMI1986X64 That's what I saw thinking too.
MoeJae86 7 months ago
@CMI1986X64 that hybrid uses the GEVO-12 engine, I know, but ut also has a HUGE battery to help run the generator so that can actually help with fuel savings; the diesel engine doesn't have to work as hard. Also that battery can be used to even power a passenger train while the locomotive prime mover is movign the train.
GordonFreemanD40 6 months ago
@GordonFreemanD40 Good to know, thanks for going a little more in depth. I noticed this video is a few years old now. Has this technology been adopted by the rail industries atall ?
CMI1986X64 6 months ago
does UP own that hybrid unit
CPWindsorsub 8 months ago
@CPWindsorsub Yes it is now UP 2010 and has boy scout letting on the hood.
geomodelrailroader 6 months ago
@geomodelrailroader cool, thanks for the info
CPWindsorsub 6 months ago
@CPWindsorsub LOL it came out of paint after four year tour on all railroads and UP bought it.
geomodelrailroader 6 months ago
@geomodelrailroader oh, cool, the UP 2010 is one of those FIFA units right
CPWindsorsub 6 months ago
@CPWindsorsub no, GE is still own this unit.
singwith 5 months ago
@singwith GE is the company that made the unit type
CPWindsorsub 5 months ago
i wanna pet it...
TheDylanJoyce 8 months ago
A Hybrid locomotive! I did not know that was posable!
Megahammerheadshark 8 months ago
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AngeluuNetaaa620 10 months ago
Not bad for yr first train video.
SkateboarderRobley 10 months ago
@SkateboarderRobley Thanks!
singwith 10 months ago
Please define "hybrid" when used in this case.
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 11 months ago
@BARRIEMOREBARLOW Regular diesel-electric locomotives employ a dynamic braking which turns traction motors to generators and the resulting electric energy is dissipated at the resistor banks on the loco roof. This new "hybrid" setup charges batteries with the dynamic braking electricity, instead of boiling resistors. Then the battery charge can be used to ease diesel consumption under heavy load situations, such as taking off from standstill.
sleeptyper 10 months ago
How does a hybrid train engine work? I am pretty sure it's not like cars or is it? Let know thanx!!
GBraidi78 11 months ago
Caltrain Should lease a fleat of these locamotive until they start on the electrification.
sideslide23 11 months ago
Generally speaking, wouldnt all diesel electric loco's be hybrids? If thats the case I vote we bring the DD40AX back lol
CMI1986X64 1 year ago
so is that kinda the equivalent to a GEVO?
hawleywe 1 year ago
If it's hybrid why does it have a gas tank?
theorangelemons 1 year ago
@theorangelemons Feel free to name a hybrid car that also doesn't have a gas tank? Do you understand what the word "hybrid" means and how the technology works?
Frisking Diogenes.
epistte 1 year ago
@theorangelemons Probably because it might be running on Bio-Diesel fuel
DKS225 11 months ago
So GE makes locomotives in america? or are they sponsoring the loco? just curious coz i have a GE credit card :-S lol
russitms 1 year ago
how the horn sound?
localrailways 1 year ago
@localrailways IDK.
singwith 1 year ago
GOP govs elect in Iowa and Wisconsin are suspicious to go for high speed rail...if European private companies can do it, why or why can't we do it? Happy Holidays to all :)
granskare 1 year ago
@granskare The US should have done the HSR in 70s. and now it's too much money to built.
singwith 1 year ago
@singwith true enough...
granskare 1 year ago
We DID do it, but the trains were misdesigned and made 6" too wide, and couldn't tilt.
tburzio 11 months ago
@granskare The Govenors (in Iowa) main money man is a trucking company owner in Des Moines.
iowatrax01 9 months ago
@iowatrax01 is Ruan still around?
granskare 9 months ago
@granskare Way I understand it, under a new banner. Reorganised to evade some labor trouble.
iowatrax01 9 months ago
what fuel those this new engine run on sorry to ask but this is new to me
lamoboy 1 year ago
@lamoboy I think this still use diesel as a fuel.
singwith 1 year ago
what are we gonna come up with next? solar trains?
rockerzac99 1 year ago
@rockerzac99 In sunny climates why not?! It must be possible to calculate the area of solar cells necessary to power a train.....!
SteffanLlwyd 1 year ago
not bad
EpicHybrids 1 year ago
Havn't they always been hybrid? since like 1959?
analyzingfunny 1 year ago
a gevo with a regular bell? WHAAAAT?
shadowknight227 1 year ago
that GE got Tints Its Awesome!!!
Adrian45738 1 year ago
Trains are so cool
Gleavage09 1 year ago
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WOW GE is so lame! They continue to use the same cookie cutter widecab design. I bet these things will stall trains in the midwest just like all their previous models.
EMD > ge trash
mt90945557 1 year ago
i hope the stupid thing derails and rolls over on its back !
doubleslottedflaps 1 year ago
Awesome Locomotive GE!!!Nice colors, I like " EVOLUTION HYBRID" yeaH!
ynnhoJ22 1 year ago 4
Idk about you but that paint job is pretty freaking sweet.
npadul30 1 year ago 4
@npadul30 Yea, I like it too.
singwith 1 year ago
Looks as though General Electric is definitely working on stabilizing the railroads' fuel budgets with this hybrid, based on the Centennial Series diesel-electric. Wonder what battery technology is best suited to the onboard electrical system?
bcschmerker 1 year ago
Thank you for that ! It was nice to see that big money is going into big engines to make things cleaner. I live only 5 miles away from the GM Electro-Motive Train plant. It's been almost dead for a couple of decades now. It would be nice if they could ramp it back up to it's glory days production level.
mrnewagemotor 1 year ago
I dont see how they can get the kind of power out of a hybrid locomotive that they do from freight locomotives.
machapu 1 year ago
nice!
lego4555 1 year ago
@lego4555 Thanks!
singwith 1 year ago
Nice vid, nice locomotor, nice colors. But if this is supposed to be for real the rest of 20-30 cars will be just for the batteries. "hybrid" is the fashionable word now in the ground trasportation business. It's the magic word to get some funds for research but the real consistency of this technology must be evaluated case by case. For railroad application in the actual fact I don't see a near future for the hybrid approach.
diioriog 1 year ago 2
I hate the tinted windows.. When you are trying to film and get a shot of the crew but can't see them because of the dark windows, it kind of takes away from the railroading experience in a way.
307OLDS 1 year ago
@307OLDS Sucks from the outside, great from the inside!
p51death 1 year ago
how the F is it a hybrid technically its a hybrid already (A Hybrid Hybrid)
Ben182010 1 year ago
I heard this thing runs on 63249640723600 laptop batteries.
drvonhoss 1 year ago
Hybrid to me means that the train can run on electricity or a diesel engine. Trains have ran on a diesel engine turning a generator which produces electricity which turns traction motors on the wheels How is a hybrid locomotive any different?
kingmike40 1 year ago
@kingmike40
It has batteries. Normal diesel-electric locos don't run without the diesel engine running.
frozencoffee 1 year ago
Its a gem! look the engineering labo car!what a job! GE !!
daswurger 1 year ago
Does anyone know the amount of electricity that is generated by a standard(4000-4400hp) road locomotive in full dynamic condition per minute? I am wondering if you could build what is essentially a slug from a retired SD-40-2 frame, but instead of using concrete the weight is batteries that would be charged by the dynamics of non-hybrid locomotives in the consist. The stored electricity would be used to drive the train uphill when the diesel prime movers are maxed out.
epistte 1 year ago
@epistte I believe this is basically correct. The braking effort is stored in a large cell and the power contained therein transferred back to the main drive somehow.
p51death 1 year ago
@p51death I need to find the amount of electricity that would be generated by a SD 4K road locomotive to calculate if the idea is feasible and financially viable, but neither GE or EMD are talking.
This electricity is currently exhausted as hot air via a grid but if it could be reliably harnessed at reasonable cost it would allow older 3-4th generation locomotives to be updated to the hybrid technology of the next generation GEs
epistte 1 year ago
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machapu 1 year ago
In Germany we also have tested a new hybrid locomotive, the 203.7 from Alstom. In the United States you have a bigger market for this new technology, because in Europe we mostly use E-Locomotives.
Sparmi1 1 year ago
So....wait what? How is it a hybrid? Is that second car a electric slug? If so that makes more sense, just mislable it as a devolpment center and tada.
nuclearthreat545 1 year ago
GE 2010 is a GEVO Tier ? with batteries on board that charge during dynamic breaking. Dynamic breaking is when the loco slows a train down by applying electrical resistance through the traction motors on the trucks. In the standard loco this electrical resistance is dissipated as heat through the grids just behind the cab and thus the electric energy is "wasted as heat". In the Hybrid 2010 the electrical energy charges the on board batteries. The passenger car is a mobile test lab.
Inline6boost 1 year ago
nice!! love the ge demo color. good footage filmed
oterotularosa 1 year ago
Thanks!
singwith 1 year ago
Yawn...
CurtisTuch 1 year ago
Yup it's a new hybrid and this baby gets 10 gallons to the mile!
EpiDemic117 1 year ago
@EpiDemic117 ur kidding right?
iAirsoft69 1 year ago
@iAirsoft69 yes I am hehe. Rail is still to this day without a doubt the most cost effective and efficient way to transport goods. if you wanted to ship a load of cars on rail. Each one would get with a destination of 250mpg. only on rail is this possible.
EpiDemic117 1 year ago
Looks like a GEVO to me
bnsfben1 1 year ago
the UP unit is (UP Class C45ACCTE). and I suppose the test unit techinically is with the storage batteries installed, but that is for huntwds to say...
BudmanPackfan 1 year ago
its a GEVO. I see her all the time at work
Inline6boost 1 year ago
@bnsfben1 I know what do you mean. lol
singwith 1 year ago
Did you confuse this GE locomotive with an EMD? EMD is in Canada, this is a GE model, GE locomotive (Transportation) engineering is in Erie, Pa. See, this is the way you question someone, you dont act like a punk and call them a lier.
huntwds 1 year ago
The initial concept was developed at GE in Erie, Pa. This unit was a standard GE locomotive with many additional batteries added that would be charged during braking and used at launch to save on fuel, thus the hybrid part. I helped work on the cooling system for the batteries, no need to lie it is a fact, the engineering study began in Erie.
huntwds 1 year ago
OMG, that is one beautiful engine!
funstuff8s 1 year ago
cool you can actually see the lights on the bottom
kickflip1234100 2 years ago
my stepdad worked for the l and n rr as a carpeck (brakes) from the time he was 16 till he was 61.died of asbestos lung cancer 2 yrs ago.they gave him a few hundred dollars in the early 60's to sign a release for the rr releasing them from any damages from asbestos.now owned by cxs.shame shame rip bill carroll we miss u
opustrek1 2 years ago 3
Great video 5*****
ervans 2 years ago
Thanks!
singwith 2 years ago
que linda esa locomotora
extevan01 2 years ago
I worked on the initial concept test rig of this locomotive about 4 years ago. It had lots of batteries that I believe captured and stored electricity during braking and then during launch would help during acceleration, the specs called for about 5 to 10% fuel savings, don't know what it is now, I left shortly after the project started. It was a mess to hook all the batteries and cooling up.
huntwds 2 years ago 6
No you dident work for that initial project BC it was made in ontario and sold to LA county etc And it doesent run on fuel at all it is electricly powered and the battery's last 15 years without recharge so dont make up lies if u dont know what ur talking about
braidengodfrey1 1 year ago
batteries that last 15 years with out a charge??? what planet is that from?
BudmanPackfan 1 year ago
that is great insight. Thank you for sharing.... my one thought still lingers on "hybrid" vehicles. Aren't all these batteries very heavy and very expensive? What is the expected life cycle of these batteries and cost of replacement? I struggle to grasp the overall savings with an expensive consummable component as the operational key in the technology. And cost of recycling/disposal of the batteries is not a cheap affair either. Thanks!
BudmanPackfan 1 year ago
@BudmanPackfan I think the whole hybrid project is put on hold until GE or another company can develop better batteries. IMPO i think this project is just to show a prof of concept or to impress the Greenies
Inline6boost 1 year ago
I thought diesel-electric was already like a hybrid, how do these work, do they have an electrical pick up?
DX721 2 years ago
DX721:
No. Diesel-electrics, exc. this GE, are not hybrids.
If they use their motors to generate electical power on braking, it's dissipated via huge resistor grids. To save brake wear, and reduce brake heating on long downgrades. Called dynamic braking.
The hybrid locos can store such energy on braking in batteries, and draw on that for traction later. Like hybrid cars.
Formula 1 cars were allowed this ("KERS") this past year, too.
Overhead catenary, and third rail, are very rare in the US.
woodscritter 2 years ago
By the way, if rail freight traffic increases, won't there be a need for increased personnel to man the rail system and to manufacture locos and cars and everything that goes with it? So, jobs lost somewhere will be compensated by jobs cerated elsewhere maybe not in the same numbers but there will be good number of jobs created nevertheless.
rajnikantsharma 2 years ago
Surely "6V9TA", truckers someplace may go out of business but rail freight saves fuel and money. You will still need trucks to carry the goods from the freight trains to the final destination as trains do not provide thae flexibility than trucks can. So it is a question of truckers needing to adapt and if they can't...well they will go out of business sooner than later.
rajnikantsharma 2 years ago 2
Hybrid locomotives are an excellent idea, but I think it might be also logical to create dual-mode locomotives like the old EMD FL9 series built for the New Haven Railroad. The FL9 used a diesel engine driven generator to power its motors, but could also use the third rail system in NYC for electric power (this was to comply with an old city law forbidding the use of "fume emitting" locomotives inside the city). In this case, use overhead wires instead of the third rail for the main lines.
All2Meme 2 years ago
Didn't diesels first try direct drive when they first came out? If I recall they did not work real well.
doginstine 2 years ago
there has been a lot of experimentation with various types of transmissions for locomotives, mechancial direct drive, hydraulic, DC/AC/DC, all DC, AC/DC and all AC... seems in NA the most preferred is some form of electric transmission, and that depends on the duty the loco will mostly perform. D-H is pretty common in Europe, just not as successful here for what ever the reasons where...
BudmanPackfan 1 year ago
People say roads are the best way to transport goods and there WRONG! Rails can take 1,000s of trucks off the road!
supersniper67 2 years ago 8
and with it thousands of jobs....
6V92TA 2 years ago
that was just my bud using my account but i will tell him what you about your comment
supersniper67 2 years ago
@supersniper67
not all buisnesses, stores or factories have rail service right to their door...
4Mr2ThC0 8 months ago
welcome to L.A. brotha...
k5lta 2 years ago
That is a GEVO ES44AC hybrid.
1petealmquist1 2 years ago
bnsf/up EDL
jschmid 2 years ago
Railroads have better technology than cars, diesel locomotives are like hybrid cars. But now with this "new" technology it will pollute even less than now. Alternative energy is not a new area. Trains are the transport of the future!
anskaru89 2 years ago 17
@anskaru89 thats why trains are suffering money wise.....
xxHaloVidsxx 1 year ago
@anskaru89 Now going green wouldn't mean your a p*ssy! This is real power here!
CookiesAndGuns95 1 year ago
arent diesel locomotives already basically a form of a hybrid? they use a fuel powered motor to generate electricity which then drives the vehicle.
disturbedone5009 2 years ago 3
This is correct. I believe they are adding to the fact that since these models have batteries that this will make the diesel engine not have to be heavily loaded on light hauls as much. And thus saves on fuel consumption. But even without the batteries it is still a hybrid.
EETechs 2 years ago 3
This has been flagged as spam show
Thats what I figured.
disturbedone5009 2 years ago
Rail locomotives are diesel-electric because it is almost impossible to build a drive system to multiple steerable axles any other way. Large mining machines are also diesel electric for the same reason, but they don't need dynamic brakes. The new GE are a series hybrid because the batteries alone cannot power the locomotive w/ the diesel engine shut down.
epistte 2 years ago
actually, the Budd Self Propelled cars are mechanical driven. You can make locomotives mechanical drivin...but the stresses and weights involved are so immense that drive shafts will be twisted upon notching up. Also, there's big mining dump trucks that have the traditional automatic transmissions like the CAT 793F.
6V92TA 2 years ago
I was unaware of the existence of Budd cars, but Cat has been forced to build an electric drive truck (795AF) to compete with Liebherr, Komatsu and Unit Rig. The packaging of a mechanical drive locomotive would tremendously increase its physical size and maintenance requirements.
epistte 2 years ago
those ole Budd Cars look like M-3s of LIRR almost. Jus picture an M-3 with a diesel engine in a A/C like pod on the roof.
6V92TA 2 years ago
that was excelant timing
malstewa 2 years ago 3
That is a Awesome Pain scheme!
Chicagojoe28 2 years ago 5
This is when going green gets serious!
UPHeritage 2 years ago 14
Well for the fact that electric locos like the Acela HHP-8 and ALP-46s have high horsepower were considered good runners
however, in my opinion, there can't be a railway without diesel power For example, if the power goes and you have several trains stranded without power; how will they be rescued.. Diesel power!
btw ..that hybrid locomotive.. I've heard Lionel is going into production for them for release by Fall.. and the cost..wao..$1000..lol
IVEMER 2 years ago 2
MTH just announced theyre makin a cheaper version!!!!! Im excited!
Pup1234567 2 years ago 2
Yes MTH is releasing a version of the locomotive as well, and it's $500 and comes with the GECX 90 engineering car. A pretty good bang for the buck, although the Lionel engine is die cast and I'm sure the sounds will be a little better.
EverywhereWest 2 years ago 2
Seriously some of the most powerfull locomotives in service in America are electric only and in any case the tractive effort comes from electricity its just generated on board on Diesel Electric locos. The Amtrak Acela Express power cars make 6000 horse each and there are two per train. What is the horse on the GE engine in this video 4400 or 4000
FitzNS 2 years ago 2
4400.
TrainDr101 2 years ago
Does GE think people are stupid or something? Freight trains have been diesel electric before even my grandpa was born and they are just now calling them hybrids?? LOL. They must think we are dumb. When will those marketers ever learn...
EETechs 2 years ago
This is a hybrid locomotive because it has batteries that store energy when the train brakes.....so you shouldn't just think you know everything...do some research and find out before you post a stupid comment. It is still diesel electric, but it has hybrid technology.
BlowoutBob 2 years ago
Instead of getting all huffy puffy maybe you need to look up the two types of hybrid systems. Diesel-electric trains are series hybrids so therefore they were hybrids before GE decided to let the world know they are hybrids and just because the motor braking electrical energy is stored in batteries does not mean you call it a hybrid again..It is like calling a hybrid and hybrid twice. Maybe it should be called a double hybrid locomotive, in that it can run off the diesel or batteries or both.
EETechs 2 years ago
oil is organic and is constantly being produced and i am fully aware this is not a plug in as i was once a mechanic,i worked for illinois central railroad,i liked staying local and became an electrician, wind,solar,geothermal wont cut it as it is not predictable,nuclear is the way to go with small battery packs,but the enviormentalist keep stopping this from happening but that is the way to go,to much info to share in this space,imagine a small long lasting nuclear type battery,it already exist
doubleslottedflaps 3 years ago
all this electric plug in stuff still has to have electricity generated by what ? take a guess , further more OIL OIL and more OIL HAS to be used to machine all those parts and lubricate all those axle bearings etc. ,in order to get rid of OIL you would have to live in a time several hundred years ago and use stuff like whale blubber on your primative wheel, or walk or ride an animal or something , the amouny of energy it would take to go all electric is beyond belief ,global warming is a lie !
doubleslottedflaps 3 years ago
if you watched the linked video by GE, it's not a plug in, it captures braking energy as stored power and reuses it, instead of losing that energy as heat.
But instead of checking it out you went off on a global warming rant. Yes electricity is largely made with fossil fuels NOW but you might have noticed that we are working on that part (wind, solar, tidal, geothermal, improved grid...) so yeah, over time, needing less and less oil.
Unless you are just against conservation and science.
GretchenDawntreader 3 years ago
Or you believe the abiotic theory that oil is not finite.
kblackav8or 3 years ago
There are natural oils.. and most electricity is generated with coal. I take it your actual grief is with fossil fuels?
We can live in a totally carbon neutral world, with plant based oils and synthetics. Look up Algae based biodiesel - 20,000 gallons per acre(ethanol is 180gal/acre), sequesters more Co2 than it produces once burned, can be grown off of flew gasses from power plants and sewage treatment. All electric will be possible when energy storage (capacitors) meets our needs.
razorx71 2 years ago
Could this be a possible alternative (for the US at least) to a big transition to All-Electric Locomotives for the freight trains?
alcheng1000 3 years ago
we dont want electric locomotives. they are crap, and not powerful enough.
amtk122 3 years ago
umm, dude, every axle turning out there today that isn't under a vintage steam engine is being turned by electricity, you do know that, right? Generated onboard, but electricity...that's why they call them diesel-electrics.
GretchenDawntreader 3 years ago
"we dont want electric locomotives. they are crap, and not powerful enough."
Amtk122, you do realize I hope that the only difference between an electric loco and a diesel-electric loco is where the power source if coming from. They both use electric motors though for the traction. So how does your logic apply with saying an electric loco is not powerful enough compared to diesel-electric?
EETechs 2 years ago 2
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five0fan 2 years ago
Ooops, never mind. Miss read something!!
five0fan 2 years ago
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Volodeas 3 years ago
reminds me of my toyota..barely hear it running...
stevefromPA 3 years ago