You do not worship Chirst, since you reject the Church He founded, which is His mystical body! No one can Truly worship God except in the Church He founded.
"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven."
The church Jesus founded is a very different one than the dogmatic prison of your making. Yes it is mystical; you denigrate it by identifying it in material forms. I pray that one day you will receive the 'Holy Communion' of the Mass.
Is it all you can do to describe our Blessed Lord as "the same Galilean carpenter"?
What nonsense are you regurgitation regarding the Biblical passages. You say we can all "find passages to support our case" - THAT IS FALSE - There are NO heresies in Scripture- which you reject.
The "mass" you speak of is invalid of course - dont talk such sacriligious rubbish!
I did not claim that my comments are a refutation of your heretical faith, there is more than enough literature to prove that, including the Bible. One objective truth is that you are not even a priest, and therefore do not have the power to consecrate anything. My prejudice you speak of, is the Church and Faith founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, which you obviously reject.
Unfortunately you do not understand the actual meaning of the word 'objective' or the word 'prejudice. It is hard then to engage with a proper dialogue with you. Your last comment is not objective and is prejudiced. Please research the meaning of these words.
It is you who seems confused. You really need to study this more. My last comment was perfectly comprehensible to any rational mind - somthing you clearly do not possess. I defend the Truth and expose the error of your heresy - this is not being prejudice, but simply exposing error. If you did not understand my comment, then you will not comprehend any more of my answers.
I regret that you fail to engage in rational debate. There is little purpose in continuing this unless you can present one objective argument to which I could respond.
What you fail to understand is that your statements are subjective. You are entitled to hold whatever view you wish. However there is no science to which you can point or objective fact that you can cite which supports your 'view' as being anything other than relative.
Misguided people debate religious matters such as these as though they were relying on fact rather than opinion. Hence the church becoming a laughing stock to many. A group of people bickering over subjective issues that can find no resolution.
Whatsmore, it is the same with all the doctrines revealed by God and taught by his Church. You do not belong to that Church founded by Christ, nor have you any authority to preach in His name, let alone consecrate. You try and divert attention from this fact by superflous rambling about subjectivness. These facts are Dogmatic. You cannot consecrate any more that the mail-man can!
Hence the Roman Catholics regard Anglican orders as null and void and Anglicans regard the orders of others as null and void and so the folly is perpetuated. You are on this same hamster wheel. Better to have your eyes opened to the Christ who has nothing to do with such dead end antics and follow him into the new and abundant life he came to bring.
You comments only show how foolish you realy are, and just how little you know about Christianity and Theology. It is not my "personal subjective" opinion that Christ is God, or that God exists - IT IS A FACT!
To deny this would constitute the sin of apostasy, assuming that you actually previously held the faith! God, who is all Truth, cannot lie, nor deceive has revealed these truths which we MUST believe simply because God has revealed them. To say that opinion has bearing on fact is idiotic!
Placing 'IT IS A FACT' in block capitals does not help you make your opinion a fact. Being convinced of your dogma doesn't give it the edge over the dogma of others. As you become more desperate to dig yourself from an illogical hole, your language becomes more offensive. Please meet Christ and shun these words and ways of darkness.
This comment showed just how ignorant you are. You are the type of person who will try to claim that we can never know any Truths absolutely, even if they are revealed by God. Heresy really is terrible. It deludes people, and you are a prime example of its fruits and that of apostasy.
You want to turn the church created by the openhearted inclusive and unconditionally loving Jesus into your exclusive club where big ego's thrash around defending it, akin to past inquisitors. Thankfully Jesus can't be captured by you on your altar prisons or dogmatic dungeons. I hope you meet him one day.
The Church founded By Christ is not open, modernist, liberal or apostate. you either are in the Church, or your outside of it. There are not some blurry edges where some heretics are also included. At the moment, you are outside of the Church and reject it.
Now your megalomaniacal interpretation of the faith urges you on to usurp the place of Christ amd make absolute judgements. Oh what a mean minded view you have of God, love and grace. I invite you to be embraced by our loving saviour.
I do not interpret the faith how I want it to be, unlike yourself, - It cannot be changed according to what you would like Jesus to be like. His doctrine is Dogmatic and Changeless, whether you like it or not. Wise up and wake up!
Oh but you do. You carve Jesus to be the idol of your psychological need for acceptance, advantage and power. They are your doctrines and dogmas and you need them to be changeless so you can exert your control. You are terrified to meet the living Christ.
You have a false concept of Christ. The living Christ is not a CHANGING Christ! What Christ once taught is to be held forever! You are a heretic and modernist, and shape the doctrine of Christ to suit your own life - thus founding your own religion, because you do not want to be "confined" to believing the Truth. Your faith is a false one, built on the quicksand of private interpretation.
Your Christ is made out of stone. However the real Christ is alive and life involves response to a changing world. The irony is that the criticisms you level at me are apt for yourself. I am happy to be led by the living Christ along unexpected paths. You want to transport a statue along the routes you and your club members have planned.
Matthew 24:35 - "Heaven and earth shall pass, but my words shall not pass." - Christ's doctrine is unchanging - beacuse it is infinite Truth. It cannot be wrong, nor subject to reassesment according to the times. You are a modernist heretic - dogmas do not evolve!
Stone worshippers have rigid minds and truth for them is concrete. However life is creative, evolving and responsive. Religion is a dreadful thing when it falls into the hands of idol worshippers as its frame of reference is earthly and what issues is cruel. Jesus castigated the white washed tombs like yourself and invited those the stone worshippers had rejected into relationship with him close to his heart. Please meet him.
The fact that you believe doctrines can change and dogmas can and should "evolve", shows the extent to which you completely reject the Christian Faith.
Its a pity that you can only repeat yourself and offer nothing new in debate. Your statement 'you completely reject the Christian Faith' indicates the level of your intellect and spirituality. Jesus knocks at the door of your heart.
You are correct in that I repeat myslef - for these are not my doctrines, but those of Chirst - who is eternal and unchanging. I will obviously not show myself as a hypocrite, and change doctrines myself, to suit whatever I WANT to believe, or feel more comfortable with. God has revelaed Truths - e.g. the ressurrection - one cannot say later that it didn't happen, because times have changed. It is the same with all truths. You reject this because you are a heretic, and reject what you please.
So roll out the ones you claim I don't believe.........and what about those instructions of Christ that you are flouting like 'Do not Judge'....and '..Cast the mote out of your own eye...'
You also use the words of Christ to your own destruction. You are clearly a modernist and heretic. The words "do not judge" do not mean one cannot refute error. In fact, we have a DUTY to uphold Truth.
2 Jn 1:10 - "If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you."
Gal1:9 - "As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema."
Dear dear. Don't think Christ mentioned the Catholic Church or ever uttered 'Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus', or demanded celibacy of his followers or used the word transubstantiation, not even sacraments, apostolic succession or true priesthood etc Seems my friend that you are preaching a different gospel to Jesus. However, that is not surprising because it is abundantly clear that you have not met him and are jejune of a real spirituality, instead hiding behind human contstructs.
Christ founded the Church and instituted the Prietshood and sacraments. You also appear to be a Sola Scriptura Heretic, but that is not surprising given that you are a complete apostate.
You need to appreciate the difference between what Christ said and did and what others then added to it afterwards. You find refuge in the 'add-ons'. I seek to abide in Christ.
Christ founded the Catholic Church - You are non remotely Christian! Christ handed down his teachings orally and commanded the apostles to preach them. Some were written down (Scripture) and some where passed on orrally (Apostolic Tradition). There were no "add ons" - at least not in the True Church - you however have added and rejected what pleases you.
Please don't repeat falsehoods. Jesus did not use the word 'catholic' or 'apostolic succession' nor did he write anything down, other than in the sand! The church in which you believe is all 'add-on'. I believe in Jesus.
Thank you. That is an encouragement and I appreciate your support.
postthehost 2 years ago
@wycliffe35 -
Why did you not show your comment?
To answer:
You do not worship Chirst, since you reject the Church He founded, which is His mystical body! No one can Truly worship God except in the Church He founded.
Matthew 7:21 -
"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven."
iotaunam1 2 years ago
The church Jesus founded is a very different one than the dogmatic prison of your making. Yes it is mystical; you denigrate it by identifying it in material forms. I pray that one day you will receive the 'Holy Communion' of the Mass.
postthehost 2 years ago
@postthehost -
The Church Chirst founded is the Catholic Church. He founded one. your Church is man-made.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
@wycliffe35 -
Is it all you can do to describe our Blessed Lord as "the same Galilean carpenter"?
What nonsense are you regurgitation regarding the Biblical passages. You say we can all "find passages to support our case" - THAT IS FALSE - There are NO heresies in Scripture- which you reject.
The "mass" you speak of is invalid of course - dont talk such sacriligious rubbish!
iotaunam1 2 years ago
This man is not only a heretic, but a complete fool.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
It is always difficult to respond to such a comment because it is like a playground jibe. It is an attack with no content.
postthehost 2 years ago
Your creply further exposes your complete rejection of the Christian Faith.
It is not "an attack with no content" - but an observation of the Truth.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Again, unfortunately, you atttack without substantiation.
postthehost 2 years ago
And you "consecrate" without transubstantiation!
You are clearly an apostate.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Perhaps you cannot understand that your comments are not objective and reflect your own prejudices.
postthehost 2 years ago
I did not claim that my comments are a refutation of your heretical faith, there is more than enough literature to prove that, including the Bible. One objective truth is that you are not even a priest, and therefore do not have the power to consecrate anything. My prejudice you speak of, is the Church and Faith founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, which you obviously reject.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Unfortunately you do not understand the actual meaning of the word 'objective' or the word 'prejudice. It is hard then to engage with a proper dialogue with you. Your last comment is not objective and is prejudiced. Please research the meaning of these words.
postthehost 2 years ago
@postthehost -
It is you who seems confused. You really need to study this more. My last comment was perfectly comprehensible to any rational mind - somthing you clearly do not possess. I defend the Truth and expose the error of your heresy - this is not being prejudice, but simply exposing error. If you did not understand my comment, then you will not comprehend any more of my answers.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
I regret that you fail to engage in rational debate. There is little purpose in continuing this unless you can present one objective argument to which I could respond.
postthehost 2 years ago
I have already given you one - You are in Apostasy. Your consecration is invalid.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
What you fail to understand is that your statements are subjective. You are entitled to hold whatever view you wish. However there is no science to which you can point or objective fact that you can cite which supports your 'view' as being anything other than relative.
postthehost 2 years ago
Misguided people debate religious matters such as these as though they were relying on fact rather than opinion. Hence the church becoming a laughing stock to many. A group of people bickering over subjective issues that can find no resolution.
postthehost 2 years ago
Whatsmore, it is the same with all the doctrines revealed by God and taught by his Church. You do not belong to that Church founded by Christ, nor have you any authority to preach in His name, let alone consecrate. You try and divert attention from this fact by superflous rambling about subjectivness. These facts are Dogmatic. You cannot consecrate any more that the mail-man can!
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Hence the Roman Catholics regard Anglican orders as null and void and Anglicans regard the orders of others as null and void and so the folly is perpetuated. You are on this same hamster wheel. Better to have your eyes opened to the Christ who has nothing to do with such dead end antics and follow him into the new and abundant life he came to bring.
postthehost 2 years ago
You comments only show how foolish you realy are, and just how little you know about Christianity and Theology. It is not my "personal subjective" opinion that Christ is God, or that God exists - IT IS A FACT!
To deny this would constitute the sin of apostasy, assuming that you actually previously held the faith! God, who is all Truth, cannot lie, nor deceive has revealed these truths which we MUST believe simply because God has revealed them. To say that opinion has bearing on fact is idiotic!
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Placing 'IT IS A FACT' in block capitals does not help you make your opinion a fact. Being convinced of your dogma doesn't give it the edge over the dogma of others. As you become more desperate to dig yourself from an illogical hole, your language becomes more offensive. Please meet Christ and shun these words and ways of darkness.
postthehost 2 years ago
This comment showed just how ignorant you are. You are the type of person who will try to claim that we can never know any Truths absolutely, even if they are revealed by God. Heresy really is terrible. It deludes people, and you are a prime example of its fruits and that of apostasy.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
You want to turn the church created by the openhearted inclusive and unconditionally loving Jesus into your exclusive club where big ego's thrash around defending it, akin to past inquisitors. Thankfully Jesus can't be captured by you on your altar prisons or dogmatic dungeons. I hope you meet him one day.
postthehost 2 years ago
The Church founded By Christ is not open, modernist, liberal or apostate. you either are in the Church, or your outside of it. There are not some blurry edges where some heretics are also included. At the moment, you are outside of the Church and reject it.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Now your megalomaniacal interpretation of the faith urges you on to usurp the place of Christ amd make absolute judgements. Oh what a mean minded view you have of God, love and grace. I invite you to be embraced by our loving saviour.
postthehost 2 years ago
I do not interpret the faith how I want it to be, unlike yourself, - It cannot be changed according to what you would like Jesus to be like. His doctrine is Dogmatic and Changeless, whether you like it or not. Wise up and wake up!
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Oh but you do. You carve Jesus to be the idol of your psychological need for acceptance, advantage and power. They are your doctrines and dogmas and you need them to be changeless so you can exert your control. You are terrified to meet the living Christ.
postthehost 2 years ago
You have a false concept of Christ. The living Christ is not a CHANGING Christ! What Christ once taught is to be held forever! You are a heretic and modernist, and shape the doctrine of Christ to suit your own life - thus founding your own religion, because you do not want to be "confined" to believing the Truth. Your faith is a false one, built on the quicksand of private interpretation.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Your Christ is made out of stone. However the real Christ is alive and life involves response to a changing world. The irony is that the criticisms you level at me are apt for yourself. I am happy to be led by the living Christ along unexpected paths. You want to transport a statue along the routes you and your club members have planned.
postthehost 2 years ago
Matthew 24:35 - "Heaven and earth shall pass, but my words shall not pass." - Christ's doctrine is unchanging - beacuse it is infinite Truth. It cannot be wrong, nor subject to reassesment according to the times. You are a modernist heretic - dogmas do not evolve!
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Stone worshippers have rigid minds and truth for them is concrete. However life is creative, evolving and responsive. Religion is a dreadful thing when it falls into the hands of idol worshippers as its frame of reference is earthly and what issues is cruel. Jesus castigated the white washed tombs like yourself and invited those the stone worshippers had rejected into relationship with him close to his heart. Please meet him.
postthehost 2 years ago
The fact that you believe doctrines can change and dogmas can and should "evolve", shows the extent to which you completely reject the Christian Faith.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Its a pity that you can only repeat yourself and offer nothing new in debate. Your statement 'you completely reject the Christian Faith' indicates the level of your intellect and spirituality. Jesus knocks at the door of your heart.
postthehost 2 years ago
You are correct in that I repeat myslef - for these are not my doctrines, but those of Chirst - who is eternal and unchanging. I will obviously not show myself as a hypocrite, and change doctrines myself, to suit whatever I WANT to believe, or feel more comfortable with. God has revelaed Truths - e.g. the ressurrection - one cannot say later that it didn't happen, because times have changed. It is the same with all truths. You reject this because you are a heretic, and reject what you please.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
It is apparent that I believe in the resurrection, otherwise I would not be inviting you to meet the living Christ.
postthehost 2 years ago
Wow - you hold ONE of the doctrines of Christ - yet you reject the others. You are a heretic precisely because you choose which doctrines you like.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
So roll out the ones you claim I don't believe.........and what about those instructions of Christ that you are flouting like 'Do not Judge'....and '..Cast the mote out of your own eye...'
postthehost 2 years ago
- Christ founded one Church - the Catholic Church
-Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
-Celibacy of Clergy
-Transubstantiation
-Sacraments
-Apostolic Succession and True Pristhood
Most importantly, you reject the only Church founded by Christ and worship in a man-made sect.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
You also use the words of Christ to your own destruction. You are clearly a modernist and heretic. The words "do not judge" do not mean one cannot refute error. In fact, we have a DUTY to uphold Truth.
2 Jn 1:10 - "If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you."
Gal1:9 - "As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema."
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Dear dear. Don't think Christ mentioned the Catholic Church or ever uttered 'Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus', or demanded celibacy of his followers or used the word transubstantiation, not even sacraments, apostolic succession or true priesthood etc Seems my friend that you are preaching a different gospel to Jesus. However, that is not surprising because it is abundantly clear that you have not met him and are jejune of a real spirituality, instead hiding behind human contstructs.
postthehost 2 years ago
Christ founded the Church and instituted the Prietshood and sacraments. You also appear to be a Sola Scriptura Heretic, but that is not surprising given that you are a complete apostate.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
You need to appreciate the difference between what Christ said and did and what others then added to it afterwards. You find refuge in the 'add-ons'. I seek to abide in Christ.
postthehost 2 years ago
Christ founded the Catholic Church - You are non remotely Christian! Christ handed down his teachings orally and commanded the apostles to preach them. Some were written down (Scripture) and some where passed on orrally (Apostolic Tradition). There were no "add ons" - at least not in the True Church - you however have added and rejected what pleases you.
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Please don't repeat falsehoods. Jesus did not use the word 'catholic' or 'apostolic succession' nor did he write anything down, other than in the sand! The church in which you believe is all 'add-on'. I believe in Jesus.
postthehost 2 years ago
All established religions are absurd, all are hypocritical, all are political compromises. It is enough to make one cry.
RadicalWhig 2 years ago