you are so awesome - i loved these satires of SV - and you are right on the money - sometimes I wonder what these writers were smoking - or even if they have ever sat down and watched their own show - very discouraging in some ways & very encouraging for those of us that know we can do better :)
what really sidetracked al and miles and the other writers is the fact that al and miles were too fixated on the lana character and in order to mold her to different storylines that they wedged her into, it warped various storylines and detracted from what was or could have been fantastic: the clex friendship that should have been epic before it turned dark, then chlex vs. clois and other more compelling storylines. it really is all al and miles fault. the show had such potential.
in the first scene, who was he talking to? i dont think it was lex...idk. but yeah, not all of these things were great arguments but there are some really good ones like the lana blaming the lies for their problems and then justifying it 30 seconds later, lol. but yeah, i had to clear up the Julian matter, that bugged me since it was completely wrong in the point that was being made, lol.
Yes, when I made the video it was before the whole Julian clone thing was uncovered but I'll be honest I knew the clone thing was coming. I knew there was no way that Grant was Julian, but I had to ask why does this supposedly super editor/reporter not question that he's a long thought to be dead Luthor...at least investigate is all I ask...and since it was so easy to know that the clone was coming why waste our time on it? What did Julian/Grant give us before he was quickly killed off?
We got Lois at planet when she didn't earn it, Chloe getting pissed on repeatedly, and something that might have been a conspiracy if they owned up to the fact that Lex was using Grant to deliberately put Chloe down...but he never did. So Lois is in, Chloe's out and Grant didn't last long enough to be thought of a few episodes after his demise. Screwing w/ the excellent character backstory that was Lionel-Lex relationship was not worth for it a lame clone story arc that didn't matter in the end.
What's this about Lex telling Grant about the cloning experiment? I know he didn't say anything before Grant found out. I believe he told Grant that if Lionel knew he'd hurt him but what person just takes that without some evidence. I do have a version that doesn't include this part but I ultimately kept it in because in the end Smallville dropped the ball on this one like so many other storylines. Bottom line is they didn't do enough with the storyline to justify it in the first place.
And the first clip is from Season 7 Episode 4 "Cure" where Clark is speaking to Lex just after Clark believed he killed Dr. Knox in order to save Lex.
first of all thanks for sending this to me!! i did enjoy it! but the Julian story was NOT changed! Lex told Gabriel ("Julian") that to keep him quiet because if Lionel knew about him then he would know about Lex's cloning experiments and try even harder to shut him down!! no offense to you or westwingwolf but a lot of these scenes erase the context between the seasons. i do agree that there are a lot of inconsistencies in the show but scenes like the Julian one is not a good argument, lol :)
So, I used to feel really really bad about going off to college and never seeing an episode of Smallville after Lex got married and then got in that crash.... WAY WAY WAY back.... but now?... Not so sad..... wow, ick.... it just went south, didn't it?
I quit Smallville cold turkey back in 2005, and I'm proud to say I haven't watched a single new episode since, nor do I intend to watch one ever again. This video makes me extremely happy I stopped watching. Many thanks for that.
Personally I always felt like Lois shouln't be making an apperance until the final season but she's not the reason the show went down hill it's the constant pimping of Clana and Lexana in the face of all the people who fell in love with Chlex from that first meeting at the Torch or the Chlark fans. Chloe is one of the strongest female characters I've seen in a long time am I supposed to believe she's be with Jimmy Olsen?! My poor Chloe is got run over first for Lana and now Lois and I hate it!
I'm not a big Lana fan so I could never get into Lexana. As for Chimmy they were okay until he started drooling over Kara it was over for me after that besides the only thing I wanted more than Chlex is Chlark! And now I'm liking the Chlavis. Davis is hot and interesting two things that Jimmy seriously lacks.
I watch the show out of habit now. As a fellow viewer said at the end of the last episode, when Lana was blind: "They're playing touching music...Chloe is crying.... And yet I just can't imagine how they could make me care anymore."
I agree with pretty much all of this. I love Lex and Chloe. I was disappointed when they began working together and getting close, building us up for a romance, and then they just let it drop so that Lex could inexplicably fall in love with stupid Lana. I too am sick of Lana and Lois (who has NO REPORTING ABILITY WHATSOEVER AND IS AS DUMB AS ROCK MOSS) being promoted over Chloe, who is much better in ever way.
Oh and I LOVE all ur videos and I read ur fan fiction constantly!!!!! U rock!
But I love Michael Rosenbaum and Lex and Chloe and I live in a world where I'm allowed to say what I want and do what I want. I'm not thrilled with the government in the US. Doesn't mean I'm going to leave the country.
Your video is made of truth. I honestly now just watch the show for the rare scene with Lex and Chloe acting in character, and just mock the rest of it. Because when your addicted to a show like Smallville, and it's gone so far down hill that logic doesn't even begin to work and you are constantly killing the things that made any of the character likable, along with hero worshiping the least liked character on the show... all you can do is mock or cry.
The writing on smallville has always been weak Season 1 through 4 Lex and Jonathan must have had what amounts to same conversation about what...50 times?
didnt mind there simple idea for him, but hey he's back and so is milton fines, oh and the whole lex's brother thing.... he's a clone, ok far fetched but weirder things have happened in smallville like the cave rave party with the kids bein infected that was fucked up.... in a shiy. peace out bitches
to continue the good stories and the writers are bringing it down nowadays but if they just stuck to the premise of the good storylines and stop the whole love triangle thing then everything would be peachy haha and lex has promise unfortunately it is ruined by clark running to him every episode now that high schools over, but did love bizzaro even tho i love the comic book version more i
drivel... i dont get it you must watcch it alot to get all those ideas yet you seem to miss all the bits that tie the storyines together admitedly they throw in one good episode then leave it for an episode or 2 or 3
You make some good points. Although the writers have come up with some interesting plots, they really haven't used certain things to their potential while over using the love triangle story arc. This season it would have been interesting to have Martian Manhunter be a regular and serve as Clark's mentor so he couuld develope as a character. Instead he pops up every now and then.
Great job, as always. All of this mafe me think of Al and Miles as two spoiled little kids with hardly nough attention span to follow a plotline, a general objective, a character development or even a rational sequence of events... So sad. Thanks for making it funny. See ya on NS!
Interesting theory... Tell me something, having seen almost every single Smallville episode to-date, as you obviously must have to develop such an extensive hypothesis, why do you keep watching? If the shows, episodes, story archs, plot structures, and character development is so bad, why do you continue to subject yourself to such mediocrity?
Because I like the characters of Chloe and Lex and I hope that eventually things will get better. I know I keep getting disappointed everytime. But at the very least, I can watch the show and try to rework what they've written so it works for how I want the show to go.
what do you mean, my riend's username on stuff is luvingcoke, but not on youtube. i hope the producers get the hint, smallville has become to cheesy and inconsistant
SNP31 No I disagree! Totally and completely horrifying! The whole desire is one of the most basic instincts works on soap operas on just normal shows like Friends or Dawson's creek, but not on a show about the journey of Superman/Clark Kent and Lex Luthor to their respective destinies.
Brilliant video! Just brilliant! Love every part of your analysis! soo true! The Clexana triangle was the worst of all, especially since it had nothing to do with Lex playing Lana or Lana becoming a villainess-- now that would have made more sense! But Lex falling for Lana because she is "Loyal"??? Since when? The Julian/Grant thing is just... I have no words! Thanks for this video. I wish Al/Miles would see it!
You had some reasonable points here. Especially about the whole Julian thing. BUT somethings you said were just plain narrow sighted! The main one is the whole 'big battle' being over a girl... sure its a cliche, but logical since desire is one of our most basic instincts!It's like the very core of themselves are at odds. The intensity of that can't be beaten.
No I disagree! Totally and completely horrifying! The whole desire is one of the most basic instincts works on soap operas on just normal shows like Friends or Dawson's creek, but not on a show about the journey of Superman/Clark Kent and Lex Luthor to their respective destinies. To me that's an abomination of a beautiful yet well crafted over the years animosity hatred between Lex and Superman.
If they have a hatred built on the level of their most basic instincts, its really pure and uncomplicated. That builds a whole foundation for their future animosity. If they can hate each other irrespective of logic and reason, then that hatred will spout into a huge rivalry that will start the whole mythology behind the show! Also if you look at the path that Lana takes while with each of them, it clarifies that Lex and Clark are practically ying and yang.
The ying and yang of the situation further eccentuates the differences in character, building a path where Clark can embrace is hero role and Lex becoming the foe! Lex damages everything he touches, he's alienated Lana and now shes lost her naivety and innocence.
Looking, at the history of Supes and Lex, you will find that Lex hates Supes because the city adores him. He's thought that it was unwise for 1 person to have so much power and influence over human beings when he could easily destroy them. If Clark wasn't good, he could do dangerous things. The power of the Yin and Yang is that it's opposite sides keep the world in balance, good and evil, which does not need a woman to explain it.
Sure, Lex and Clark fought over Lois, but that is just one facet over their entire battle, not the start of it and not the whole of it. Lex's hatred for Clark is pure, he fears his powers, and is jealous of his attention, that can be shown without Lana.
YOU-ARE-MY HERO!! tell me about it... Im sick of hearing people say that Superman Returns sucked when it at least kep with their comic book counterparts... Lex hates Superman because he is a "selfish being who doesnt share his power"... Lex on Smallville hates Superman because he wanted that Cunt Lana for his girl friend...and HOW MANY FUCKING LOVE TRIANGLES do we need?!
Lol! All so true! I was especially upset about the Julian thing, I loved the Luthor angst storyline they'd set up before. Damn them. I'm still hoping they've got something more up their sleeve with that (see clone comment below)
Yes I think it's a clone too, but they aren't even trying to be original anymore, not that they ever really were, but that Luthor backstory was one good thing they had going for them, and they risk it for a stupid clone story. Why not delve deeper into the problems characters all ready have instead of creating new lame ones?
WOW....that was amazing, but I'm retraded at reading things on-screen, so I constantly had to pause...but other than that... I love it :) It was very funny, and I have to recomend it to my brother in America :)
YOU HAVE DONE IT AGAIN! You are on the money with all your comments about how bad the show has become. Is there a chance it can be saved? Sadly, I don't think so.
Great video and very much on point- love the bit about dissing the idiotic soap opera feud. Lex Luthor wanting to save us from aliens is much more interesting than the CLEXANA triangle. BLAH!
The CHloe Lex deleted scene with "less hair- more money " is one of my faves. I would have love to have seen Chloe and Lex side against Lois and Clark early on....
Thanks M&G for yet another repetitive rehash of all that you have done before.
you are so awesome - i loved these satires of SV - and you are right on the money - sometimes I wonder what these writers were smoking - or even if they have ever sat down and watched their own show - very discouraging in some ways & very encouraging for those of us that know we can do better :)
Marfeic2010 2 years ago
what really sidetracked al and miles and the other writers is the fact that al and miles were too fixated on the lana character and in order to mold her to different storylines that they wedged her into, it warped various storylines and detracted from what was or could have been fantastic: the clex friendship that should have been epic before it turned dark, then chlex vs. clois and other more compelling storylines. it really is all al and miles fault. the show had such potential.
jlyonne 3 years ago 2
in the first scene, who was he talking to? i dont think it was lex...idk. but yeah, not all of these things were great arguments but there are some really good ones like the lana blaming the lies for their problems and then justifying it 30 seconds later, lol. but yeah, i had to clear up the Julian matter, that bugged me since it was completely wrong in the point that was being made, lol.
hollywoodgirl2005 3 years ago
Yes, when I made the video it was before the whole Julian clone thing was uncovered but I'll be honest I knew the clone thing was coming. I knew there was no way that Grant was Julian, but I had to ask why does this supposedly super editor/reporter not question that he's a long thought to be dead Luthor...at least investigate is all I ask...and since it was so easy to know that the clone was coming why waste our time on it? What did Julian/Grant give us before he was quickly killed off?
westwingwolf 3 years ago
We got Lois at planet when she didn't earn it, Chloe getting pissed on repeatedly, and something that might have been a conspiracy if they owned up to the fact that Lex was using Grant to deliberately put Chloe down...but he never did. So Lois is in, Chloe's out and Grant didn't last long enough to be thought of a few episodes after his demise. Screwing w/ the excellent character backstory that was Lionel-Lex relationship was not worth for it a lame clone story arc that didn't matter in the end.
westwingwolf 3 years ago
What's this about Lex telling Grant about the cloning experiment? I know he didn't say anything before Grant found out. I believe he told Grant that if Lionel knew he'd hurt him but what person just takes that without some evidence. I do have a version that doesn't include this part but I ultimately kept it in because in the end Smallville dropped the ball on this one like so many other storylines. Bottom line is they didn't do enough with the storyline to justify it in the first place.
westwingwolf 3 years ago
And the first clip is from Season 7 Episode 4 "Cure" where Clark is speaking to Lex just after Clark believed he killed Dr. Knox in order to save Lex.
westwingwolf 3 years ago
first of all thanks for sending this to me!! i did enjoy it! but the Julian story was NOT changed! Lex told Gabriel ("Julian") that to keep him quiet because if Lionel knew about him then he would know about Lex's cloning experiments and try even harder to shut him down!! no offense to you or westwingwolf but a lot of these scenes erase the context between the seasons. i do agree that there are a lot of inconsistencies in the show but scenes like the Julian one is not a good argument, lol :)
hollywoodgirl2005 3 years ago
So, I used to feel really really bad about going off to college and never seeing an episode of Smallville after Lex got married and then got in that crash.... WAY WAY WAY back.... but now?... Not so sad..... wow, ick.... it just went south, didn't it?
EmelRaines 3 years ago
I quit Smallville cold turkey back in 2005, and I'm proud to say I haven't watched a single new episode since, nor do I intend to watch one ever again. This video makes me extremely happy I stopped watching. Many thanks for that.
krinwashu 3 years ago
Personally I always felt like Lois shouln't be making an apperance until the final season but she's not the reason the show went down hill it's the constant pimping of Clana and Lexana in the face of all the people who fell in love with Chlex from that first meeting at the Torch or the Chlark fans. Chloe is one of the strongest female characters I've seen in a long time am I supposed to believe she's be with Jimmy Olsen?! My poor Chloe is got run over first for Lana and now Lois and I hate it!
astrid26a 3 years ago 4
Chlex? Seriously? They barely had any screen time together. I was a total Lexana/Chimmy fan :)
Whatevrmakesyoubreak 3 years ago
I'm not a big Lana fan so I could never get into Lexana. As for Chimmy they were okay until he started drooling over Kara it was over for me after that besides the only thing I wanted more than Chlex is Chlark! And now I'm liking the Chlavis. Davis is hot and interesting two things that Jimmy seriously lacks.
astrid26a 3 years ago 2
Lesson 4 makes me wanna throw up.
kalester06 3 years ago
Haha! I like it all, but especially Lesson 9.
I watch the show out of habit now. As a fellow viewer said at the end of the last episode, when Lana was blind: "They're playing touching music...Chloe is crying.... And yet I just can't imagine how they could make me care anymore."
Malvolia 3 years ago 3
I agree with pretty much all of this. I love Lex and Chloe. I was disappointed when they began working together and getting close, building us up for a romance, and then they just let it drop so that Lex could inexplicably fall in love with stupid Lana. I too am sick of Lana and Lois (who has NO REPORTING ABILITY WHATSOEVER AND IS AS DUMB AS ROCK MOSS) being promoted over Chloe, who is much better in ever way.
Oh and I LOVE all ur videos and I read ur fan fiction constantly!!!!! U rock!
neveah45 3 years ago 2
Thank you! I've been saying all this for years! Why do I watch this show again? Oh, right. Cause I'm a masochist!
meteorfreak1 4 years ago
The Within 30 Seconds part made me laugh and laugh. Awesome!
boobabycluebaby2 4 years ago
I pimped it on TWoP I totally agree sadly
nunofyourfukinbusnes 4 years ago
I half agree with your video, but if you dunt like the show dont watch it.
biggestsmallvillefan 4 years ago
But I love Michael Rosenbaum and Lex and Chloe and I live in a world where I'm allowed to say what I want and do what I want. I'm not thrilled with the government in the US. Doesn't mean I'm going to leave the country.
westwingwolf 4 years ago
Your video is made of truth. I honestly now just watch the show for the rare scene with Lex and Chloe acting in character, and just mock the rest of it. Because when your addicted to a show like Smallville, and it's gone so far down hill that logic doesn't even begin to work and you are constantly killing the things that made any of the character likable, along with hero worshiping the least liked character on the show... all you can do is mock or cry.
sewingrose 4 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Don't. Watch. It.
stephenbyrnee 4 years ago
The writing on smallville has always been weak Season 1 through 4 Lex and Jonathan must have had what amounts to same conversation about what...50 times?
justlooking213 4 years ago 3
Wow you're right. Chloe and Lex do have chemistry.
whyunderstand 4 years ago 4
didnt mind there simple idea for him, but hey he's back and so is milton fines, oh and the whole lex's brother thing.... he's a clone, ok far fetched but weirder things have happened in smallville like the cave rave party with the kids bein infected that was fucked up.... in a shiy. peace out bitches
sorry my messages are back to front
airfaith 4 years ago
to continue the good stories and the writers are bringing it down nowadays but if they just stuck to the premise of the good storylines and stop the whole love triangle thing then everything would be peachy haha and lex has promise unfortunately it is ruined by clark running to him every episode now that high schools over, but did love bizzaro even tho i love the comic book version more i
airfaith 4 years ago 2
drivel... i dont get it you must watcch it alot to get all those ideas yet you seem to miss all the bits that tie the storyines together admitedly they throw in one good episode then leave it for an episode or 2 or 3
airfaith 4 years ago
You make some good points. Although the writers have come up with some interesting plots, they really haven't used certain things to their potential while over using the love triangle story arc. This season it would have been interesting to have Martian Manhunter be a regular and serve as Clark's mentor so he couuld develope as a character. Instead he pops up every now and then.
BIGBMH 4 years ago
love it
EXCELLENT!
helkl03111111 4 years ago
LMFAO! This just shows how stupid Smallville became after the CW's logo started to appear in the corner of the screen
pisquenta 4 years ago
Great job, as always. All of this mafe me think of Al and Miles as two spoiled little kids with hardly nough attention span to follow a plotline, a general objective, a character development or even a rational sequence of events... So sad. Thanks for making it funny. See ya on NS!
PONR2006 4 years ago 2
Interesting theory... Tell me something, having seen almost every single Smallville episode to-date, as you obviously must have to develop such an extensive hypothesis, why do you keep watching? If the shows, episodes, story archs, plot structures, and character development is so bad, why do you continue to subject yourself to such mediocrity?
kareem391 4 years ago
Because I like the characters of Chloe and Lex and I hope that eventually things will get better. I know I keep getting disappointed everytime. But at the very least, I can watch the show and try to rework what they've written so it works for how I want the show to go.
westwingwolf 4 years ago
me and my friend totally agree! there are so many problems with smallville plots!
CastralFire 4 years ago
What would your friend like to be credited by so he/she could be credited on the version I'm sending to the producers?
westwingwolf 4 years ago
what do you mean, my riend's username on stuff is luvingcoke, but not on youtube. i hope the producers get the hint, smallville has become to cheesy and inconsistant
CastralFire 4 years ago
Any name you or your friend would like to be credited by is fine whether it's what you use for YouTube or not.
westwingwolf 4 years ago
then luvingcoke is fine, sounds cool, what you're doing by the way
CastralFire 4 years ago
SNP31 No I disagree! Totally and completely horrifying! The whole desire is one of the most basic instincts works on soap operas on just normal shows like Friends or Dawson's creek, but not on a show about the journey of Superman/Clark Kent and Lex Luthor to their respective destinies.
alice3a 4 years ago
Brilliant video! Just brilliant! Love every part of your analysis! soo true! The Clexana triangle was the worst of all, especially since it had nothing to do with Lex playing Lana or Lana becoming a villainess-- now that would have made more sense! But Lex falling for Lana because she is "Loyal"??? Since when? The Julian/Grant thing is just... I have no words! Thanks for this video. I wish Al/Miles would see it!
alice3a 4 years ago
XD OMG this show is killing me with this kinda stuff, why do I like this show so much? lol
Daisygurl33 4 years ago
You had some reasonable points here. Especially about the whole Julian thing. BUT somethings you said were just plain narrow sighted! The main one is the whole 'big battle' being over a girl... sure its a cliche, but logical since desire is one of our most basic instincts!It's like the very core of themselves are at odds. The intensity of that can't be beaten.
SNP31 4 years ago
No I disagree! Totally and completely horrifying! The whole desire is one of the most basic instincts works on soap operas on just normal shows like Friends or Dawson's creek, but not on a show about the journey of Superman/Clark Kent and Lex Luthor to their respective destinies. To me that's an abomination of a beautiful yet well crafted over the years animosity hatred between Lex and Superman.
alice3a 4 years ago 2
If they have a hatred built on the level of their most basic instincts, its really pure and uncomplicated. That builds a whole foundation for their future animosity. If they can hate each other irrespective of logic and reason, then that hatred will spout into a huge rivalry that will start the whole mythology behind the show! Also if you look at the path that Lana takes while with each of them, it clarifies that Lex and Clark are practically ying and yang.
SNP31 4 years ago
The ying and yang of the situation further eccentuates the differences in character, building a path where Clark can embrace is hero role and Lex becoming the foe! Lex damages everything he touches, he's alienated Lana and now shes lost her naivety and innocence.
SNP31 4 years ago
Looking, at the history of Supes and Lex, you will find that Lex hates Supes because the city adores him. He's thought that it was unwise for 1 person to have so much power and influence over human beings when he could easily destroy them. If Clark wasn't good, he could do dangerous things. The power of the Yin and Yang is that it's opposite sides keep the world in balance, good and evil, which does not need a woman to explain it.
westwingwolf 4 years ago
Sure, Lex and Clark fought over Lois, but that is just one facet over their entire battle, not the start of it and not the whole of it. Lex's hatred for Clark is pure, he fears his powers, and is jealous of his attention, that can be shown without Lana.
westwingwolf 4 years ago
LAUGHING MY HEAD OFF by THE END OF IT!!! GENIUS! Absolutely genius!
emmallyielaurel 4 years ago
YOU-ARE-MY HERO!! tell me about it... Im sick of hearing people say that Superman Returns sucked when it at least kep with their comic book counterparts... Lex hates Superman because he is a "selfish being who doesnt share his power"... Lex on Smallville hates Superman because he wanted that Cunt Lana for his girl friend...and HOW MANY FUCKING LOVE TRIANGLES do we need?!
jtc0331 4 years ago
Lol! All so true! I was especially upset about the Julian thing, I loved the Luthor angst storyline they'd set up before. Damn them. I'm still hoping they've got something more up their sleeve with that (see clone comment below)
littlehollyleaf 4 years ago
The lesson 3, maybe it's only a julian clone that Lex made...
83Nini 4 years ago
Yes I think it's a clone too, but they aren't even trying to be original anymore, not that they ever really were, but that Luthor backstory was one good thing they had going for them, and they risk it for a stupid clone story. Why not delve deeper into the problems characters all ready have instead of creating new lame ones?
westwingwolf 4 years ago
WOW....that was amazing, but I'm retraded at reading things on-screen, so I constantly had to pause...but other than that... I love it :) It was very funny, and I have to recomend it to my brother in America :)
KateOfPoland 4 years ago
YOU HAVE DONE IT AGAIN! You are on the money with all your comments about how bad the show has become. Is there a chance it can be saved? Sadly, I don't think so.
MSCIBET 4 years ago
Great video and very much on point- love the bit about dissing the idiotic soap opera feud. Lex Luthor wanting to save us from aliens is much more interesting than the CLEXANA triangle. BLAH!
The CHloe Lex deleted scene with "less hair- more money " is one of my faves. I would have love to have seen Chloe and Lex side against Lois and Clark early on....
Thanks M&G for yet another repetitive rehash of all that you have done before.
kjbsvfan 4 years ago
loved the use of wonderboy in there. I fear the Smallville writers have lost all perspective on the show and where it should be going.
soddittohell 4 years ago
Nice!! Sad..... But nice!!!
kittyangel1985 4 years ago
Another classic from you, westwingwolf. I pimped 'cause I loved.
The truthiness is out there.
sinecute 4 years ago
Wordy word word to everything. Especially on MR/AM.
lizakabeth 4 years ago
So much word to that buffoon Lois getting to be a reporter when unearned.
And yes we need more Michael/Allison scenes!
DanXOC 4 years ago
Ha ! So true. We can learn so much from Smallville, can't we ? Great job.
elviriel 4 years ago