Jews ,always lived in the holy land 3500 years, read about KINGDOM OF ISRAEL AND KINGDOM OF JUDAH see old maps ,historical evidence.
the real truth, Arabs came from Arabia, in 1948 war most Palestinians came from Jordan and invaded to holy land and west bank,they stole Jews homes, and killed them. in 1922 by British Palestine mandate, Palestinians got 77% from the land , the state name is JORDAN. Arabs stole the land from sons of Israel, and it is fact.
Why aren't the Palestinian people trying to free the part of Palestine that Jordan now occupies?
Why is 20% of Israel made up of Arab Muslims and not even 2% of Jordan, Syrai, Egypt, Iran, Iraq & the Lebanon is made up of Jews?
How come those Arabs now living in Israel have the same rights and freedoms as Israeli Jews but Jews cannot live freely in the Arab countries I mentioned above? Why?
CONTINUED ... Operation Rooster 53 Operation Priha Operation Doogman 5 Operation Abirey-Halev Operation Peace for Galilee Operation Mole Cricket 1 Siege of Beirut Battle of the Beaufort Battle of Jezzine Battle of Sultan Yacoub Operation Gift Cherbourg Project Shelling on Lebanon Black September in Jordan Operation Isotope Operation Crate 3..... I HAVE BARELY REACHED HALF OF THE OPERATIONS...BUT U SEE ISREAIL IS A THREAT TO THE WORLD !!!
ISRAIL THE TERRORIST STATE !!! Here are some names of military operations Isreail conducted: Operation Kadesh,Operation Machbesh Operation Omer Operation Steamroller Operation Magic Carpet Operation Ezra and Nehemiah Retribution operations Operation Susannah Operation Porcupine and Gravy War over Water Operation Focus Operation Inferno Operation Boxer Operation Bulmus 6 Operation Raviv Operation Escort
Maybe it would be easier for the world if Israel just packed up and moved to The Falkland Islands where they would only offend the sheep and build their promised land there where there is need of a new temple and people .
Why SOMEONE doesn't like Palestine ? Because you guys think they are terrorist but their not.If you imagine your in that country being shot and tortured all the time.FUCK ISRAEL!!!. FREEDOM TO PALESTINE!!!.
@supermiki2 ..... who gave you the right to judge others based on their skin colors. dont they deserve to live in peace as much as you do?? or are you in anyway superior to them? if you are please tell me.. please do me a favor and go look at all the war crimes that have been caused by the US.. the big bad bully.. too bad the big bad bully is broke as a joke now and they are at their weakest.. just around WW3.. dont get it twisted.. you will be crushed
i just lost any respect i had for the original anonymous.
i feel sorry that lil arab cunts call themselves anonymous thinking themselves of brain super hackers that crash a website or changing the background.lame lil kids
As an Anon i condemm any ops based on a certain religon or peopple..that goes against everythign we want..we want coorperation between faiths not ops to target either side...this si not anonymous
@GaraGambini Your question is STUPID! Fucking Jews invaded Palestine and kicked everyone out.. Not to mention unending acts of aggression. We would have peace if Israel would simply go back to the original borders. Don't even act like Israel is suffering or like they have some cross to bare.
But you still didn't answer the question. Egpyt used to govern the Gaza Strip right? Israel asked Egypt to regovern the Strip on two occassions and Egypt refused. Why?
Didn't Israel leave the Gaza Strip in 2005 and uproot almost 12,000 Jewish citizens, farms, schools, hospitals etc? What did Israel get in return for this gesture?
Don't Israeli hospitals treat ALL Palestinians who require hospital treatment?
Doesn't Israel supply 80% of electricity to the people of Gaza?
@GaraGambini What should Israel get? Why would the Egyptian government want to take control of any part of Palestine? That would make them invaders like Israel. Israel could end this struggle today if they went back to the 1967 border agreement. Israel is in the wrong here 100%. All your questions are just straw-man arguments to avoid dealing with the fact that Israel is an invader, occupier and they are terrorizing Palestinians.
The territory east of the Jordan River, was once part of Palestine, it is now part of Jordan. According to you, that should make Jordan an invader like Israel, right? Why aren't the Palestinians trying to take that part of Palestine back?
Egypt DID govern Gaza until 1967 so again according to you that makes them an invader right? Israel requested that Egypt take back Gaza because Israel did not want it. Egypt refused.
@GaraGambini What if China invaded America (or where ever you are from) and forced all the people in America to live in Florida and kicked everyone out of their homes and then said: oh, well we provide you electricity and when we bomb you we will except 80% of you in our hospitals... That is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard. I can't even imagine how you can justify Israel AT ALL.
The Arab countries surrounding Israel tried to destroy Israel in 1967. Those Arabs who left Israel left on the advice of their Arab neighbours. Those Arabs who stayed in Israel now make up 20% of Israel and they have EXACTLY the same freedoms & rights as Israeli Jews, they even have their own political parties in the Israeli government.
Are there ANY Jewish political parties in those Arab countries? Wait a minute, there are no democracies in those Arab countries never mind Jews!
If Palestine the country goes back through most of recorded history please answer:
1. When was it founded and by whom? 2. What were its borders? 3. What was its capital? 4. What were its major cities? 5. What constituted the basis of its economy? 6. What was its form of government? 7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat? 8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
1. Palestine is a ancient country! It wasnt just created it formed after many years... it is older than the time of Jesus. 2.If you search up palestine borders before isreail u will kno. 3. Capital was Jerusalem. 4. Hebron, Jerusalem , Bethlehem, Gaza, Jericho, Nablus, Ramallah, Al Bireh, Tulkarm,Rafah,Khan Yunus,Jenin were some major cities of palestine.
You have admitted that the region was made up of Jews & Arabs. The Arabs time and time again have refused a homeland because they will only settle for the death of all Jews. If you think this is a fair request then you are full of hate.
You have admitted that the area was always made up of BOTH Arabs & Jews.
@GaraGambini 5. Most of it was agriculture. 6. Palestine, in all its history has seen thousands of different forms of government.. it would be impossible to talk on one specific. 7. As I said before there were many... Palestine was considered part of many civilizations as time went by.. sometime the Jew, sometime the Romans, sometime the Christians, sometime the Muslims. 8. Last part I don't understand but.. I can indeed tell you that Palestine was known in the Arab world.
TRY TO IMAGINE THIS: someone has attacked you during 8 years. trying to kill your civillian and to hurt them. after 11 years of rockets trying to kill israeli people, civillian people, we react. when our children get killed no one care, when we protect our self we are murders. our blood doesn't count ha? 11 years of blood just doesn't metter. suiciding bomers and terrorisem.. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH Long live israel
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@wildlettuce LOL. Palestine legally had the land and gave some of it to European Jews. What you think belongs to Israel because of religious reasons is stupid. I wasn't talking about this war but many other older ones. Also, yes you're absolutely right about the offers. But asking for all the borders, airspaces, Holy land and farm sites is not something many people will accept whether Arab or non Arab.
@mryoto123 "Palestine legally had the land" - there has never been an independent state called palestine. how can a non-existent entity own anything?
i dont think it belongs to israel because of religion, it belongs to israel because they are sovereign.. belonging is a consequence, not a reason (its the effect rather than the cause).
the palestinians withdrew from camp-david talks (2000). instead of presenting a counter-offer they started a war. does that tell you they're interested in peace?
@wildlettuce hahahahah israel is a made up country because the world felt sorry for the jews after ww2 and who was there before that ? get your facts rights
but you know that 3 of my friend died from that they shooting on them a boomb on thir home and i heart from thier to. what that we do thats for saving on our contury i also think that need for free them but this is a lie to said that we marder them this pepole kill as to so if you can think agine about that and dont try to do something to as the israle cas wee also want a peace and free them but if we free them they start to by aginst as
When will people stop blaming innocent people for the horrors of shitty government we're all subject to it yet there are still fools foolish enough to stand behind murders and eat up there bullshit, my hope for humanity is we start speaking for ourselves for when governments speak they discuss war when the people speak they discuss peace
Israel is preparing a squad to eliminate the terrible phenomena that is Anonymous. Sad. The ideology was worthwhile, if only ultra-men were to execute it and not men. Just like communism, it is something that is not meant to be practiced by man.
why the hell do Israel need from palistine someone tell me why are they doing this? and why the fuck is america helping even thought the put it in the news
This is the video which angered TeaMp0ison.... /watch?v=EH2YH7YElVQ
If anyone was in doubt- well no doubt now, TeaMp0ison are a bunch of 15 years kids, easily manipulated by lies. Watch the children attacking cars with stones, who sent them? TeaMp0ison do you have such dumb parents too? I guess so...
Hacking... Protesting... Educating... Seems like trying to put a fire out using nothing but spit. The human race is a disgrace, sometimes I think World War 3 would be a good thing. You would think the Jews would be the last people to do something like this, considering what happened in World War 2. I'm all for the Truth Movement. I also think that the genocide of Palestine is one of thee most important international issues. But what is a banners, real and virtual going to do to stop this...
@wildlettuce I obviously meant the genocide of Palestinians and actually the Palestine borders are constantly being pushed further by Israel. Well what do you call carpet bombing a state with white phosphorus, Christmas!?
@Carnuss i call it creating a smoke screen, but you can call whatever you want.
yesterday i went to the ice cream shop and got myself a genocide flavored cone... what, thats not what genocide means?
what DOES genocide mean? try and read the definition before using the word so loosely. and no, a phosphorus smoke screen which kills no-one does not constitute genocide.
@wildlettuce Please don't tell me you are trying to compare white phosphorus to smoke grenades, there's a reason why they're banned from the geneva convention. Smoke bombs don't burn through metal. Saying white phosphorus doesn't kill and seriously injure people just shows how much of an ignoramus you truly are. Also don't trying to redefine genocide as a fucking ice cream cone flavor. Next time you can have a 'my dick' ice cream flavored cone you fucking bellend.
For years i´ve been reading and watching news about the horrors that israel has brought to the palestinians. And I too, have been just angry about not being able to stop it. The only thing that I could do is raise awareness about this horrendous crimes. And now I see that im not alone. Teamp0ison:You are not alone in this educational revolution.Thank you for trying to educate people in this troubeled times. Iwill support this cause and continue to do my part. Together we will make a difference.
you are arguing about land rights when this video is showing children being maimed and killed! what is a matter with you??? are you so desensitized to these images that you argue/ discuss who owns what. The topic should be the poor souls who are suffering, I write this with a heavy heart and tears rolling down my cheeks
Its get a little bit more harder every year not to want to deport every single Israeli in Antartica, hard to remember that not all Jews are murdering fascist zionists. Israel has to go. It should never have existed to begin with.
1-If we don't protest against banking system then the banks will not work for the people and the money in the banks will go to the military witch in its turn seals weapons that do those stuff.
2- If countries do not do revolution people in that country will continue to get poor and the rich richer. If a revolution is made then a new government will come and that government will not sell weapons that do that.
Conclusion: We must be concerned of the country we are in.
In 1974 Palestinians massacred over 300,000 Lebanese Christians, no one knows anything about this but they all seem to remember the Sabra and Chatila massacre, and might I add that Palestinians are being brainwashed everyday into hatred, so freeing a "country" that's full of people ready to kill, what do you think the outcome would be?
@AoN6486 any anon can post a video calling for an operation and it may go through if enough people back it and there is no official anon channel anon has reporters but none are official
@chowdaboy7501 its bigotry when you pretend to give a shit while you are actually singling out one country and presenting a twisted, one-sided picture of reality.
its a populist move on behalf of these mocktivists.
i am pro-israeli, but i do not attack palestinians.. nor do i publish videos that pertain to promote freedom and tolerance while actually inciting against palestinians.
@chowdaboy7501 your approach is no different than that of the arab conglomerate - using the palestinian predicament to promote yourself.
if you were really interested in 'freeing' palestine, you'd present a balanced point of view which takes into account both sides.
but go on, keep telling people to support the palestinian goal - the destruction of israel. a goal which will end up hurting more palestinians than israelis (and i do NOT wish that to happen).
@wildlettuce I never really presented a side, now did I? I just pointed out the "Islam excuse" so many people like to use while avoiding the real topic. Now I support a two-state solution, which you would've found out soon enough but instead you automatically assume I am "DESTROY ISRAEL, FREE PALESTINE" kind of guy. However, I am against the Israeli AND Palistinian war crimes but I believe Israeli war crimes are greater becuase Israel has more control over their...
@chowdaboy7501 armed combatants while the Palistinians, do not. There is no unifying government with millions of dollars of American taxpayer money for weapons flooding into the Palistinian territories, are there? Which is harder to control, an extremist league sending in suicide bombers or a squad of soldiers demolishing Palistinian houses and olive groves unde direct orders?
@chowdaboy7501 "which is harder to control" why would you want to control them?
israel has no desire to 'control' the palestinians, its army is in the west-bank because it has no choice.. do you think 18 year old israelis want to spend 3 years of their lives trying to make sure their families dont get blown up by a suicide bomber or their home destroyed by rockets?
if israelis had a choice, they'd sign peace yesterday. read the hamas/plo charters and you'll understand why its impossible.
@wildlettuce I asked you which is harder to control. I agree with you that the Hamas is not an organization who is bent on peace, but Israeli's building settlements in Palestinian land and Israeli soldiers bulldozing olie groves can be controlled because they are under the legitimate governement and take orders from it. Yet, terror groups sending in suicide bombers have no "legitimate" governement above them. So which can be controlled more effiecently?
@chowdaboy7501 israel is building 'settlements' in the west-bank in the same way the arabs are building 'settlements' in the west-bank. if you want israel to stop building there, ask the palestinians to stop too.
this is not palestinian land until there is an agreement... you cannot assume the results of negotiations.
let me remind you that before israel took control over this land, it was under jordanian control, and before that british and before that ottoman.. when was this land arab?
@wildlettuce I never said this land was Arab. No land has a race or ethnicity attached. This land belongs to the people who lived in it. Second, so because Palestinians are squatting in West Bank cuz they have no other place to go means Israeli settlers can go deep into Palestinian land and build there EVEN when the world community condemns it? Third, if the Palestinians ave their own nation and governement, they can control themselves better.
@chowdaboy7501 And look at the PLO, they were a terror group and now that they have given control over West Bank, things have improved and the PLO is peaceful. And then look at Gaza, it was shattered by the Israelis and the violent Hamas are in power.
1. the PLO is not peaceful. if it was, they would have signed a peace agreement with israel in the many opportunities they had.
2. get your chronology right, the israeli attack on gaza happened long after hamas were elected, and long after israel completely withdrew from gaza - there is not a single jew in gaza (let alone army).
even the terminology they use for peace is ludicrous.. do you know what Hudna means?
despite all that, i still think peace is the right choice.
@chowdaboy7501 the majority of the land (even during ottoman rule) was government owned, not private. the majority of hills that jews are building on are not privately owned nor does anyonen else live there... if they dont live there, it doesnt belong to them.
the world community are hypocrites - china is taking over tibet, the UK is occupying the falkland islands, france has colonies in africa etc..
israel left gaza to test your theory, and they still fire rockets.. what now?
@wildlettuce That's bullshit. 96% of the land was owned by Arabs in 1947. That means it's Arab land. The hills the settlers are building on is Palestinian land, the land ownership just isn't recognized by Israel. NONE of the settlements built in the West Bank was built on land owned by Israel or the settlers. That's why the settlements are illegal.
@JuniMajnoony lets say you're right, how did arabs get to own 96% of the land?
- did they inherit it from the ottomans?
- did they purchase it?
my argument is that this land is disputed.. it isnt owned by arabs who illegally occupied it in 1948 and never created an independent palestinian state, nor is it owned by israelis.
but if you want to demand israel to stop construction, you should demand the same thing from the arabs. not doing so makes you a hypocrite.
@wildlettuce The people on the land owned the land to begin with!!! The Ottomans were only collecting taxes and were acting as the ruling government. The people on the land had been there for centuries! This notion that they were illegally occupying it is hogwash! The Palestinians aren't constructing, there's nowhere to construct! They are losing land, not gaining it.
@JuniMajnoony "owned the land to begin with" - to begin with what? begin with the dinosaurs? the islamic conquests? the ottoman empire? the big bang?
"This notion that they were illegally occupying it is hogwash" - if that is the case, then its just as much hogwash as to say israel is illegally occupying it.
last i heard, the palestinians are planning a new city (Ruwabi) in the west-bank.. seems like there's a bit more land left for the arabs to illegally occupy.
@wildlettuce No beginning with at least 800 years ago, which is how far my family tree goes back on the land - and I'm not unique. Or do you think we were "illegally occupying" it for the past 800yrs?! Are you f'ing kidding me?! My family has no right to our land you're saying?! It's interesting you mention Rawabi. It's been 4 years and the IDF won't give the project a simple permit to build a road to bring in construction materials. Sounds like real development - not.
@chowdaboy7501 "I never said this land was..." - yes you did: "Israeli's building settlements in >>Palestinian land<<". how can this be palestinian land if an agreement hasnt been reached to determine which of it is palestinian land?
@wildlettuce You don't need an 'agreement', the settlements have been deemed illegal by international law. NONE of the land in the West Bank where the settlements are located need to be agreed upon, the decision has already been made. Yet Israel keeps building settlements - all the while screaming they want peace. They could start peace by stopping settlements and they don't want that so what are the Ps to do?
@JuniMajnoony lets recall 1948, simply to remember that it was the palestinians (arabs) who rejected the partition plan and as a result created the DISPUTE that i'm talking about.
my view is that settlements are no barrier for peace - between 1948-1967 there were no settlements, did that mean peace? nope. if an agreement to uproot settlements is reached during negotiations, the israeli government will do so. if you want proof for it, look at what israel did in 2005 (gaza).
@wildlettuce are u fucking retarded? how would u like it , if somone forign country comes along and says , ohh hay u have land , why dont u share it with the indians , since they dont have land , okay then i will split ur country into two , and u guys play along nicely , ohhh im gonna support the indians btw , and give them unlimmited amounts of money , weaopons and support ! have a good life !
@Tiitoo88 "how would u like it , if somone forign country comes along.." - you mean like the arabs did with egypt? oh, hold on a second, the arabs simply took over everything and didnt ask any questions so i guess its not comparable :)
btw - egypt also receives money, weapons and support from USA. this is clearly a case of a pot calling the kettle black.
i hope your revolution brings you prosperity rather than religious oppression. peace.
@wildlettuce Actually, both sides rejected the partition. The Zionists because they wanted ALL of Palestine and the Palestinians because they saw it as a foreign invasion, which was true. The Israeli gov't has no intention of removing settlements - they're not building them just to remove them later. The only reason they moved out of Gaza is because of armed resistance against them (they couldn't protect them) and Gaza wasn't priority territory for them to begin with.
@JuniMajnoony historical facts prove you wrong - the zionists declared a state within the borders designated to them (181). they even said that all arab residents will be accepted as equal citizens.
israel could've flattened gaza instead of evacuating its jewish residents. they pulled out of gaza as a gesture of good will and reached out for peace. they left a whole industry there (greenhouses and flowers), but the palestinians burnt it all.
@wildlettuce I think you're sadly mistaken - unless by what you mean as "all arab residents will be accepted" as starting a war to purposely remove all Palestinians from the planned Jewish state 1948. And by 1949, Israel had way overstepped the partition anyway (as planned), so your argument is meaningless. What's worse is that you accept the idea in the first place of colonizing Britian partitioning the land - which they had no right to do. Start with principle, not fact.
once jordan illegally occupied west-bank and egypt occupied gaza, there was nothing left to partition... no land left to give to the palestinians. the truth is that the arabs stole palestine.
i accept british colonization as much as i accept the islamic conquests and now the jewish state of israel.
"had no right to" - who gives 'right'? who gave the arabs the 'right' to occupy egypt? what utter nonsense.
@wildlettuce It seems you're an expert at the bullshit. Let's justify war with war. The Muslims did it (mind you centuries before), so then it's ok for Israel. He raped, so I raped, it's ok. The only major distinction you fail to make is that this wasn't conquest, it was genocide in the clearest definition of the word.
@JuniMajnoony you're getting me all wrong.. i'm not justifying war, i'm simply arguing that its not as one-sided as you might think.
as for your genocide claims - the population growth, lowered infant mortality rates and long life expectancy (relatively to the rest of arab world) tell a different story. if you're picky, take any middle-eastern conflict and compare the number of dead to that in the israeli-palestinian conflict. iran-iraq? syria? jordan (black-september)? iraq-usa? iraq-kuwait?
@wildlettuce No, it's not one-sided. But if you think the Ps are the ones who are blocking peace, then I suggest you deprogramme yourself of Israeli propaganda and take a fresh look at the situation like much of the world already has - including Israelis and Jews around the world. You're so ignorant that you think Palestinians don't exist - the Israeli propaganda machine really works! You've successfully erased selective history and invented a new one - except we're still here.
@wildlettuce No, it's not one-sided. But if you think the Ps are the ones who are blocking peace, then I suggest you deprogramme yourself of Israeli propaganda and take a fresh look at the situation like much of the world already has - including Israelis and Jews around the world. You're so ignorant that you think Palestinians don't exist - the Israeli propaganda machine really works! You've successfully erased selective history and invented a new one - except we're still here.
@wildlettuce Definition of genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. Tell me what part of what happened in '48 or what's happening now does not fit this definition. Please note that the definition does not say compare Iraq to Palestine and then make a decision. '48 was genocide and some of what is happening now is genocide, if not ethnic cleansing at the very least. Either way, still horrible.
@JuniMajnoony i have to disagree - i dont think the situation in israel fits the definition of genocide. some massacres took place in 1948, but israel rejected (and still does) this sort of behavior while the palestinians celebrate them.
the sad thing is that in 1948, the arabs were calling to 'throw the jews to the sea'.. here we are 70 years later, and you're still projecting your own intentions (read hamas/plo charter) -on israel.
@wildlettuce You're right actually, the Jordanians wanted the West Bank. But that doesn't excuse Israel. Israel was just as evil (worse in fact), so there's no excuse there.
And take a couple of steps back - If Israel never happened, the refugees would have never happened and neither would everything else that followed. It was wrong from the very beginning, so let he who hasn't sinned cast the first stone.
@JuniMajnoony the reality is that its the arabs who are the reason why there is no 'palestine' today, not israel. they used west-bank and gaza as a launching pad for attacks on israel and the 'palestinians' as cannon fodder.
i'm not saying israel didnt do any wrong, but the reality is that the palestinians are where they are today because of their choices - israel did not choose the war in 1948.
to take a couple of steps back would mean to cancel jordan, egypt, lebanon, syria & iraq..
@wildlettuce That's crap. The Arabs are not the reason. From the very beginning, Israel purposefuly pursued a policy of occupation and oppression - even against Ps in Israel, which I can attest to - to keep the Ps from getting anywhere. There were other players in the game, but Israel was leading. What Jordan did is neither here nor there because regardless, Israel was on it's own mission. If Israel was happy giving Ps rights, then why do they treat their own Pn citizens like shit?
@wildlettuce Since you don't have a moral universe, let me try to construct one for you. There were people there living peacefully for centuries. They had a right to their land because they had been there from the beginning - i.e. it was their land. That means they have rights to the land, just to be clear. It's pretty simple actually. As soon as you take that land, then you are in the wrong. It's called stealing. Does that explain it?
@wildlettuce I don't just expect the Ps to be violent, I would expect anyone living under their ridiculous conditions to be violent - as you should. How can you sit there and think that when you occupy millions, make their life hell, stop them at every turn when they tryto better themselves, that they are not going to lose their minds? Do you think you wouldn't?! Go live in the OT and then tell me that you wouldn't do the same. Do you think anyone would put up with that shit? No.
@wildlettuce I've seen both sides. I lived in Israel, I've lived in the OT. You have not a clue what it's like and that's why you have not a clue how Israel could be wrong. You haven't walked in those shoes. The Pns are not perfect and they've done some f'd up things. But there is such a thing as more wrong. With Israel's mentality, no matter what the Ps did, Israel would continue to oppress them. They only have revolt left as an option. Either that or bend over. Not happening.
@wildlettuce Where did you originate my friend? Do you even know? If you're a Sephardic jew, then you have more genetic connection to me than I do to anyone in Saudi Arabia. The only difference is that we stayed and you didn't, which means we have more ties to the land than you do. This idea that you need reverse the clock 2,000yrs is retarded, especially at our expense. The whole idea was bullshit to begin with and you are the only retards in history to ever attempt it.
@JuniMajnoony was the idea of collapsing the ottoman empire also bullshit?
"you are the only retards in history to ever attempt it" - i disagree, the palestinians are the second group of retards to attempt it. the jews are one of the oldest nations still walking this planet and the only nation in history to ever return to their original homeland (most have dissipated)..
if the idea is so retarded, why are the palestinians so adamant on doing the exact same thing?
@wildlettuce The Palestinians are not trying to do the same thing - i.e. making biblical claims to the land - they just want their homes back – which they rightfully deserve – if not compensation. Never did they once say God gave them the land. And for all the stupid concepts of Islam - which you get in other religions also, you can give them credit for being realistic on that one. So sorry, I think the Jews are the only retards in this case.
@JuniMajnoony if the palestinians are not making religious claims, what do they want with jerusalem?
there have already been many negotiations, the arabs (palestinians) were offered compensation and nearly 100% of westbank+gaza, but have refused repeatedly.
i used to believe in palestinian aspirations for peace, but as time went by and they got more violent rather than peaceful, by using the aid money to fund further attacks on israel and educate for hate they have lost my trust.
@JuniMajnoony i know you probably think they were offered 'too little', or that they 'couldnt sacrifice the refugees'.. frankly - i think these are excuses. there are nations that are still dreaming of the mere possibility for an independent state, while the palestinians are refusing every offer they were ever made.
if you think the jews are 'retarded', be the 'wise' ones - accept peace and build a future for your children. but not one that educates for the eradication of your neighbour.
@wildlettuce There is a perfect example of the propaganda in action. The Jews are not a people!!! They are no more a people than Christians are a people or Buddhists are a people, even if genetic tests show that. The recent genetic tests show some similarities (and a ALOT of mixing), but who cares? If you could find common genetic markers of Christians in England with Christians in Iraq (which you probably could), then should we create a Christian nation?!
@JuniMajnoony here we go again, do you want me to prove to you that a palestinian people didnt exist prior to the 1960's? how does that contribute to anything? and how is it relevant?
if you stomp on jewish identity and self-determination, dont be surprised when they do the same to you.
the palestinians already made this mistake in 1948, and so far it cost them over 60 years and two generations of refugees..
@wildlettuce You had already stomped on my identity - according to you, I don't exist - regardless of the fact that my family lived on a land for 800 years called Palestine and my father's birth certificate says he was born in Palestine. We called ourselves Ps for centuries - even if you don't know it. I'm not trying to degrade anyone - I want a two-state solution - or even better - one joined state where everyone can stay and live peacefully, whatever it's called. That's democracy!
@JuniMajnoony i never said you dont exist, what i said was that these sort of claims are meaningless.. its not up to me to decide whether you're a palestinian or not, nor is it my place to try and suggest otherwise.
the 'problem' with a one-state solution is that the country will very quickly become a muslim state. one-state is a means to undermine jewish self determination. why should there be a jewish state? because history (recent and older) show that islamic regimes are simply not tolerant.
@wildlettuce You said that the Ps didn't exist prior to 1967 which is just Israeli propaganda. The pathetic reason is that didn't have sovereignty, but if that were true than the Native Americans, Aboriginees, many African tribes and Latin American tribes don't exist either. What's ironic is that they say the Jews had a unique identity prior to Israel, but you think that people who lived on a land called Palestine and called themselves Ps for centuries didn't exist until 1967. Lies.
@JuniMajnoony i didnt, i said i could prove it, but that is has no relevance to our discussion or what the present situation is. right now, the palestinians exist.
i spoke to several (much) older palestinians who told me they called themselves arabs or jordanians (pre/post 1948). even the international community used the term 'palestinian' to describe jews, not arabs..
that doesnt mean the palestinian people dont exist right now, it simply means they didnt identify as such early last century.
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Jews ,always lived in the holy land 3500 years, read about KINGDOM OF ISRAEL AND KINGDOM OF JUDAH see old maps ,historical evidence.
the real truth, Arabs came from Arabia, in 1948 war most Palestinians came from Jordan and invaded to holy land and west bank,they stole Jews homes, and killed them. in 1922 by British Palestine mandate, Palestinians got 77% from the land , the state name is JORDAN. Arabs stole the land from sons of Israel, and it is fact.
ISEL333 6 hours ago
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Why aren't the Palestinian people trying to free the part of Palestine that Jordan now occupies?
Why is 20% of Israel made up of Arab Muslims and not even 2% of Jordan, Syrai, Egypt, Iran, Iraq & the Lebanon is made up of Jews?
How come those Arabs now living in Israel have the same rights and freedoms as Israeli Jews but Jews cannot live freely in the Arab countries I mentioned above? Why?
GaraGambini 3 days ago
CONTINUED ... Operation Rooster 53 Operation Priha Operation Doogman 5 Operation Abirey-Halev Operation Peace for Galilee Operation Mole Cricket 1 Siege of Beirut Battle of the Beaufort Battle of Jezzine Battle of Sultan Yacoub Operation Gift Cherbourg Project Shelling on Lebanon Black September in Jordan Operation Isotope Operation Crate 3..... I HAVE BARELY REACHED HALF OF THE OPERATIONS...BUT U SEE ISREAIL IS A THREAT TO THE WORLD !!!
alialiali1412 4 days ago
@alialiali1412
Each time Israel was defending itself, each time it was attacked first.
GaraGambini 3 days ago
ISRAIL THE TERRORIST STATE !!! Here are some names of military operations Isreail conducted: Operation Kadesh,Operation Machbesh Operation Omer Operation Steamroller Operation Magic Carpet Operation Ezra and Nehemiah Retribution operations Operation Susannah Operation Porcupine and Gravy War over Water Operation Focus Operation Inferno Operation Boxer Operation Bulmus 6 Operation Raviv Operation Escort
To BE CONTINUED !!!
alialiali1412 4 days ago
Maybe it would be easier for the world if Israel just packed up and moved to The Falkland Islands where they would only offend the sheep and build their promised land there where there is need of a new temple and people .
missdeebates 4 days ago
WAKE UP EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
kim4597 6 days ago
Why SOMEONE doesn't like Palestine ? Because you guys think they are terrorist but their not.If you imagine your in that country being shot and tortured all the time.FUCK ISRAEL!!!. FREEDOM TO PALESTINE!!!.
kim4597 6 days ago
@supermiki2 ..... who gave you the right to judge others based on their skin colors. dont they deserve to live in peace as much as you do?? or are you in anyway superior to them? if you are please tell me.. please do me a favor and go look at all the war crimes that have been caused by the US.. the big bad bully.. too bad the big bad bully is broke as a joke now and they are at their weakest.. just around WW3.. dont get it twisted.. you will be crushed
mkaraman24 1 week ago
i just lost any respect i had for the original anonymous.
i feel sorry that lil arab cunts call themselves anonymous thinking themselves of brain super hackers that crash a website or changing the background.lame lil kids
supermiki2 1 week ago
@supermiki2 Who gives a fuck what a Israel Firster like you thinks. You got no respect, just like the rouge state of Israel.
chugalongway01 1 week ago
@supermiki2 .. why your ego couldn't handle the truth that was presented to you???
alialiali1412 4 days ago
can i get this song please o.o
SilencedReviews 1 week ago
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koppellhinex 1 week ago
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FUCK PALASTINE
A2heRb 1 week ago
What is The Name Of This music Plz Tell Me :(
rahhiboys 1 week ago
@rahhiboys It's Requiem for a dream by Clint Mansell /watch?v=KSY4Yi2ypno
If you like this one check out Rob Dougan - Clubbed to death too /watch?v=b4gymxY2zM8
Free Palestine!
Konecdespotizmu 1 week ago
As an Anon i condemm any ops based on a certain religon or peopple..that goes against everythign we want..we want coorperation between faiths not ops to target either side...this si not anonymous
TheKilpatie 1 week ago
Why aren't the Palestinian people trying to free the part of Palestine that Jordan now occupies?
Why is 20% of Israel made up of Arab Muslims and not even 2% of Jordan, Syrai, Egypt, Iran, Iraq & the Lebanon is made up of Jews?
How come those Arabs living in Israel have the same rights as Israeli Jews but Jews cannot live in the countries I mentioned above? Why?
GaraGambini 1 week ago
@GaraGambini You are a fucking idiot...
lmcdowall 1 week ago
@lmcdowall
Answer the questions cock sucker!
GaraGambini 1 week ago
@GaraGambini Your question is STUPID! Fucking Jews invaded Palestine and kicked everyone out.. Not to mention unending acts of aggression. We would have peace if Israel would simply go back to the original borders. Don't even act like Israel is suffering or like they have some cross to bare.
lmcdowall 1 week ago
@lmcdowall
But you still didn't answer the question. Egpyt used to govern the Gaza Strip right? Israel asked Egypt to regovern the Strip on two occassions and Egypt refused. Why?
Didn't Israel leave the Gaza Strip in 2005 and uproot almost 12,000 Jewish citizens, farms, schools, hospitals etc? What did Israel get in return for this gesture?
Don't Israeli hospitals treat ALL Palestinians who require hospital treatment?
Doesn't Israel supply 80% of electricity to the people of Gaza?
GaraGambini 6 days ago
@GaraGambini What should Israel get? Why would the Egyptian government want to take control of any part of Palestine? That would make them invaders like Israel. Israel could end this struggle today if they went back to the 1967 border agreement. Israel is in the wrong here 100%. All your questions are just straw-man arguments to avoid dealing with the fact that Israel is an invader, occupier and they are terrorizing Palestinians.
lmcdowall 6 days ago
@lmcdowall
You still have not answered the questions.
The territory east of the Jordan River, was once part of Palestine, it is now part of Jordan. According to you, that should make Jordan an invader like Israel, right? Why aren't the Palestinians trying to take that part of Palestine back?
Egypt DID govern Gaza until 1967 so again according to you that makes them an invader right? Israel requested that Egypt take back Gaza because Israel did not want it. Egypt refused.
THESE ARE FACTS.
GaraGambini 6 days ago
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lmcdowall 6 days ago
@GaraGambini What if China invaded America (or where ever you are from) and forced all the people in America to live in Florida and kicked everyone out of their homes and then said: oh, well we provide you electricity and when we bomb you we will except 80% of you in our hospitals... That is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard. I can't even imagine how you can justify Israel AT ALL.
lmcdowall 6 days ago
@lmcdowall
The Arab countries surrounding Israel tried to destroy Israel in 1967. Those Arabs who left Israel left on the advice of their Arab neighbours. Those Arabs who stayed in Israel now make up 20% of Israel and they have EXACTLY the same freedoms & rights as Israeli Jews, they even have their own political parties in the Israeli government.
Are there ANY Jewish political parties in those Arab countries? Wait a minute, there are no democracies in those Arab countries never mind Jews!
GaraGambini 6 days ago
@GaraGambini Lol, that is like Americans being pissed at Indians... It's not that you don't understand, it is that you refuse to.
lmcdowall 5 days ago
@lmcdowall
If Palestine the country goes back through most of recorded history please answer:
1. When was it founded and by whom? 2. What were its borders? 3. What was its capital? 4. What were its major cities? 5. What constituted the basis of its economy? 6. What was its form of government? 7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat? 8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
Well?
GaraGambini 4 days ago
@GaraGambini
1. Palestine is a ancient country! It wasnt just created it formed after many years... it is older than the time of Jesus. 2.If you search up palestine borders before isreail u will kno. 3. Capital was Jerusalem. 4. Hebron, Jerusalem , Bethlehem, Gaza, Jericho, Nablus, Ramallah, Al Bireh, Tulkarm,Rafah,Khan Yunus,Jenin were some major cities of palestine.
alialiali1412 4 days ago
@alialiali1412
You have admitted that the region was made up of Jews & Arabs. The Arabs time and time again have refused a homeland because they will only settle for the death of all Jews. If you think this is a fair request then you are full of hate.
You have admitted that the area was always made up of BOTH Arabs & Jews.
GaraGambini 3 days ago
@GaraGambini 5. Most of it was agriculture. 6. Palestine, in all its history has seen thousands of different forms of government.. it would be impossible to talk on one specific. 7. As I said before there were many... Palestine was considered part of many civilizations as time went by.. sometime the Jew, sometime the Romans, sometime the Christians, sometime the Muslims. 8. Last part I don't understand but.. I can indeed tell you that Palestine was known in the Arab world.
alialiali1412 4 days ago
@alialiali1412
Again, you admit that Jews & Arabs both lived there.
GaraGambini 3 days ago
@lmcdowall
Please answer these:
What was the language of the country of **Palestine**?
What was the prevalent religion of the country of **Palestine**?
What was the name of its currency, and, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
Please answer.
GaraGambini 4 days ago
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MrNirmiz 2 weeks ago
Fuck Zionism!!!
RedNYello505 2 weeks ago
FREE PALESTINE, GIVE THEIR LAND BACK. KARMA WELL REPAY YOU
Gaara1555 2 weeks ago
The Palestinian genocide must be stopped.
Gorillasoh 2 weeks ago 7
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jhcdnx 3 weeks ago
free palestine fuck israel jews have no right in that land they should be refugees not palestine people
iloveramy123 4 weeks ago
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Watch that video!!
hehefromhere 1 month ago
@wildlettuce LOL. Palestine legally had the land and gave some of it to European Jews. What you think belongs to Israel because of religious reasons is stupid. I wasn't talking about this war but many other older ones. Also, yes you're absolutely right about the offers. But asking for all the borders, airspaces, Holy land and farm sites is not something many people will accept whether Arab or non Arab.
mryoto123 1 month ago
@mryoto123 "Palestine legally had the land" - there has never been an independent state called palestine. how can a non-existent entity own anything?
i dont think it belongs to israel because of religion, it belongs to israel because they are sovereign.. belonging is a consequence, not a reason (its the effect rather than the cause).
the palestinians withdrew from camp-david talks (2000). instead of presenting a counter-offer they started a war. does that tell you they're interested in peace?
wildlettuce 4 weeks ago
@wildlettuce hahahahah israel is a made up country because the world felt sorry for the jews after ww2 and who was there before that ? get your facts rights
jawit123 3 weeks ago
@jawit123 attacking another straw man?
wildlettuce 3 weeks ago
Join our movement IRC channel!
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OpFreePS 1 month ago 3
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TwoFacedSOUP 1 week ago
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Everyone, look up Ron Paul on youtube (don't believe the zionist mainstream media smear campaign against him).
I beg you all!
Long Live Palestine!
hehefromhere 1 month ago
we wil bring SALAHUDINE..........after defeat you .. i m thinking i will never forgive your inocent people ..........
againest3x6 1 month ago
but you know that 3 of my friend died from that they shooting on them a boomb on thir home and i heart from thier to. what that we do thats for saving on our contury i also think that need for free them but this is a lie to said that we marder them this pepole kill as to so if you can think agine about that and dont try to do something to as the israle cas wee also want a peace and free them but if we free them they start to by aginst as
itay2676 1 month ago
When will people stop blaming innocent people for the horrors of shitty government we're all subject to it yet there are still fools foolish enough to stand behind murders and eat up there bullshit, my hope for humanity is we start speaking for ourselves for when governments speak they discuss war when the people speak they discuss peace
bipolarnutcase 1 month ago
FREE FREE PALESTINE FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA
ISRA'HELL GO TO HELL
thankyouallah33 1 month ago
Israel is preparing a squad to eliminate the terrible phenomena that is Anonymous. Sad. The ideology was worthwhile, if only ultra-men were to execute it and not men. Just like communism, it is something that is not meant to be practiced by man.
iambored2006 1 month ago
why the hell do Israel need from palistine someone tell me why are they doing this? and why the fuck is america helping even thought the put it in the news
TheOneAndOnly3001 1 month ago
@TheOneAndOnly3001 ah i ment to say america not helping palistine at the last part
TheOneAndOnly3001 1 month ago
FUCK YOU ISRAIL ! YOU ONLY CAN KILL PEOPLE AND CHILDRENS OF PALESTINA! FUCK YOUR LIFE! MONKEYS!
Chechenpower95 1 month ago
@Chechenpower95 thank u man may peace be upon u
TheOneAndOnly3001 1 month ago
@Chechenpower95 Go learn some English and kill yourself.
iambored2006 1 month ago
This is the video which angered TeaMp0ison.... /watch?v=EH2YH7YElVQ
If anyone was in doubt- well no doubt now, TeaMp0ison are a bunch of 15 years kids, easily manipulated by lies. Watch the children attacking cars with stones, who sent them? TeaMp0ison do you have such dumb parents too? I guess so...
my53cents 1 month ago
Im angry at israel... FOR NOT FINISHING THE JOB! (killing fakestinians) LOLOLOL hahahahaha
blackhawkwm2 1 month ago
RID THE WORLD OF OPPRESSION
DOWN WITH THE US PLUTOCRACY
DOWN WITH THE ISRAELI ETHNOTOCRACY
And much more!
SonicobbsessedR2 1 month ago
it's getting close will take it back
jordanmasri1990 1 month ago
look up ZionOps on google - and find the truth!
Riddin4Pac 1 month ago
THIS IS A LIE!!!
Riddin4Pac 1 month ago
whats the name of that song
ratmdeathwan 1 month ago
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@wildlettuce WTF are you talking about!?! I'm not even religious, it's a figure of speech! You're an imbecile of the highest caliber.
Carnuss 2 months ago
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Carnuss 2 months ago
wildlettuce is a zionist troll.
Carnuss 2 months ago
what is the intro music?
WeWillFckUp2 2 months ago
*banner
Carnuss 2 months ago
Hacking... Protesting... Educating... Seems like trying to put a fire out using nothing but spit. The human race is a disgrace, sometimes I think World War 3 would be a good thing. You would think the Jews would be the last people to do something like this, considering what happened in World War 2. I'm all for the Truth Movement. I also think that the genocide of Palestine is one of thee most important international issues. But what is a banners, real and virtual going to do to stop this...
Carnuss 2 months ago
@Carnuss "the genocide of Palestine" - what does that mean? how can you genocide a state?
if you meant the genocide of palestinians - can you explain to me how a five times growth in population constitute genocide?
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce I obviously meant the genocide of Palestinians and actually the Palestine borders are constantly being pushed further by Israel. Well what do you call carpet bombing a state with white phosphorus, Christmas!?
Carnuss 2 months ago
@Carnuss i call it creating a smoke screen, but you can call whatever you want.
yesterday i went to the ice cream shop and got myself a genocide flavored cone... what, thats not what genocide means?
what DOES genocide mean? try and read the definition before using the word so loosely. and no, a phosphorus smoke screen which kills no-one does not constitute genocide.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
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@wildlettuce Please don't tell me you are trying to compare white phosphorus to smoke grenades, there's a reason why they're banned from the geneva convention. Smoke bombs don't burn through metal. Saying white phosphorus doesn't kill and seriously injure people just shows how much of an ignoramus you truly are. Also don't trying to redefine genocide as a fucking ice cream cone flavor. Next time you can have a 'my dick' ice cream flavored cone you fucking bellend.
Carnuss 2 months ago
@wildlettuce What are you, some sort of Zionist nuthugger?
Carnuss 2 months ago
fuck the world its full shyt :z god cnt do anything cuz his scared or he doesnt care
wolfking3956 2 months ago
For years i´ve been reading and watching news about the horrors that israel has brought to the palestinians. And I too, have been just angry about not being able to stop it. The only thing that I could do is raise awareness about this horrendous crimes. And now I see that im not alone. Teamp0ison:You are not alone in this educational revolution.Thank you for trying to educate people in this troubeled times. Iwill support this cause and continue to do my part. Together we will make a difference.
huascarcajias 2 months ago
you are arguing about land rights when this video is showing children being maimed and killed! what is a matter with you??? are you so desensitized to these images that you argue/ discuss who owns what. The topic should be the poor souls who are suffering, I write this with a heavy heart and tears rolling down my cheeks
hazybee68 2 months ago
Its get a little bit more harder every year not to want to deport every single Israeli in Antartica, hard to remember that not all Jews are murdering fascist zionists. Israel has to go. It should never have existed to begin with.
LuathHans 2 months ago
Either way whichever side, if they are killing and harming then they are wrong.
1SuperBadChic 2 months ago
this battlle cannot be won yet
KILLUMINATI233 2 months ago
He is wrong of two things.
1-If we don't protest against banking system then the banks will not work for the people and the money in the banks will go to the military witch in its turn seals weapons that do those stuff.
2- If countries do not do revolution people in that country will continue to get poor and the rich richer. If a revolution is made then a new government will come and that government will not sell weapons that do that.
Conclusion: We must be concerned of the country we are in.
MrSeekLoad 2 months ago
I hate the blue and white and I love the black red green and white
Moneylovingman 2 months ago
T_T
Finally someone wand us free thank you
MrThebiig1 2 months ago
i agree America is better off but we are deciding to to something about it before we get as bad off as you guys
tyleraverette 2 months ago
In 1974 Palestinians massacred over 300,000 Lebanese Christians, no one knows anything about this but they all seem to remember the Sabra and Chatila massacre, and might I add that Palestinians are being brainwashed everyday into hatred, so freeing a "country" that's full of people ready to kill, what do you think the outcome would be?
ouwetwarrior 2 months ago
so many children affected, raised in horror and constant fear. how can we stop this...
so much hatred planted in so many souls!!! will this ever stop!?
shpngg 2 months ago
1. Shouldn't this be on the official Anon channel?
2. I think Anon is engaging in way too many "operations" to be able to carry out any of them.
AoN6486 2 months ago
@AoN6486 any anon can post a video calling for an operation and it may go through if enough people back it and there is no official anon channel anon has reporters but none are official
tyleraverette 2 months ago
Shocking!
ChampCarforlife 2 months ago
Mirrored as featured video.
Carnuss 2 months ago
what's phosphorus?
HLGmatrix1 2 months ago
The so called "Palestinians" should fuck off home back to Jordan!
J2897Tutorials 2 months ago
@J2897Tutorials You fuck off asshole
iGrendizer 2 months ago
@J2897Tutorials
The 'Jews' should fuck off back to Central Europe. Oh wait, no one likes you anywhere!
wydog286 2 months ago
Sickening, Disgusting.... *shakes head in disgust*
Carnuss 2 months ago
Welcome to Pallywood.
MadMaddyArts 2 months ago
the simple fact is no other race , in no other place in the world would have been able to subject
another race to such humiliating, dehumanizing and deplorable conditions.
it makes me sick that my grandfathers died in ww2 for it to be the war to end wars, the freedom of the meek.
the "meek" bounced back pretty quicky and forgot what its like to be corralled into refuge camps and oppressed and deprived of thier rights.
jews are no longer the opressed , they are the opressors
dales400 2 months ago
@dales400 how does china's takeover of tibet compare?
wildlettuce 2 months ago
yo creo que israel tiene que pedir del ejercito sirio o Egipto o cualquier otro pais árabe que los enseña como hay que hacer la cosa.
tw1r0y 2 months ago
@tw1r0y dont you know that the arabs are never to be blamed for any atrocities? :)
wildlettuce 2 months ago
TeaMp0isoN?! this was s0 l33t in the 90's.. lamers.
you want to talk about injustice?
since its inception, israel killed around 60,000 arabs/muslims in all of its conflicts. during the same time, muslims killed 10,000,000 other muslims.
how many died in darfur by the hands of the islamists?
how many are still being enslaved (yes - slaves) in saudi arabia?
how many have been slaughtered in syria?
bunch of populist ego-driven script kiddies..
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce
WOW, typical Pro-Israeli... Whenever you accuse Israel, they immediently change the subject to things like Islam.
chowdaboy7501 2 months ago
@chowdaboy7501 i'm simply highlighting your (typical anti-israeli) bigotry.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce When did pointing out the flaws of Israel become "bigotry". I guess you have typical anti--palistinian bigotry?
chowdaboy7501 2 months ago
@chowdaboy7501 its bigotry when you pretend to give a shit while you are actually singling out one country and presenting a twisted, one-sided picture of reality.
its a populist move on behalf of these mocktivists.
i am pro-israeli, but i do not attack palestinians.. nor do i publish videos that pertain to promote freedom and tolerance while actually inciting against palestinians.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@chowdaboy7501 your approach is no different than that of the arab conglomerate - using the palestinian predicament to promote yourself.
if you were really interested in 'freeing' palestine, you'd present a balanced point of view which takes into account both sides.
but go on, keep telling people to support the palestinian goal - the destruction of israel. a goal which will end up hurting more palestinians than israelis (and i do NOT wish that to happen).
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce I never really presented a side, now did I? I just pointed out the "Islam excuse" so many people like to use while avoiding the real topic. Now I support a two-state solution, which you would've found out soon enough but instead you automatically assume I am "DESTROY ISRAEL, FREE PALESTINE" kind of guy. However, I am against the Israeli AND Palistinian war crimes but I believe Israeli war crimes are greater becuase Israel has more control over their...
chowdaboy7501 2 months ago
@chowdaboy7501 armed combatants while the Palistinians, do not. There is no unifying government with millions of dollars of American taxpayer money for weapons flooding into the Palistinian territories, are there? Which is harder to control, an extremist league sending in suicide bombers or a squad of soldiers demolishing Palistinian houses and olive groves unde direct orders?
chowdaboy7501 2 months ago
@chowdaboy7501 "which is harder to control" why would you want to control them?
israel has no desire to 'control' the palestinians, its army is in the west-bank because it has no choice.. do you think 18 year old israelis want to spend 3 years of their lives trying to make sure their families dont get blown up by a suicide bomber or their home destroyed by rockets?
if israelis had a choice, they'd sign peace yesterday. read the hamas/plo charters and you'll understand why its impossible.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce I asked you which is harder to control. I agree with you that the Hamas is not an organization who is bent on peace, but Israeli's building settlements in Palestinian land and Israeli soldiers bulldozing olie groves can be controlled because they are under the legitimate governement and take orders from it. Yet, terror groups sending in suicide bombers have no "legitimate" governement above them. So which can be controlled more effiecently?
chowdaboy7501 2 months ago
@chowdaboy7501 israel is building 'settlements' in the west-bank in the same way the arabs are building 'settlements' in the west-bank. if you want israel to stop building there, ask the palestinians to stop too.
this is not palestinian land until there is an agreement... you cannot assume the results of negotiations.
let me remind you that before israel took control over this land, it was under jordanian control, and before that british and before that ottoman.. when was this land arab?
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce I never said this land was Arab. No land has a race or ethnicity attached. This land belongs to the people who lived in it. Second, so because Palestinians are squatting in West Bank cuz they have no other place to go means Israeli settlers can go deep into Palestinian land and build there EVEN when the world community condemns it? Third, if the Palestinians ave their own nation and governement, they can control themselves better.
chowdaboy7501 2 months ago
@chowdaboy7501 And look at the PLO, they were a terror group and now that they have given control over West Bank, things have improved and the PLO is peaceful. And then look at Gaza, it was shattered by the Israelis and the violent Hamas are in power.
chowdaboy7501 2 months ago
@chowdaboy7501
1. the PLO is not peaceful. if it was, they would have signed a peace agreement with israel in the many opportunities they had.
2. get your chronology right, the israeli attack on gaza happened long after hamas were elected, and long after israel completely withdrew from gaza - there is not a single jew in gaza (let alone army).
even the terminology they use for peace is ludicrous.. do you know what Hudna means?
despite all that, i still think peace is the right choice.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@chowdaboy7501 the majority of the land (even during ottoman rule) was government owned, not private. the majority of hills that jews are building on are not privately owned nor does anyonen else live there... if they dont live there, it doesnt belong to them.
the world community are hypocrites - china is taking over tibet, the UK is occupying the falkland islands, france has colonies in africa etc..
israel left gaza to test your theory, and they still fire rockets.. what now?
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce That's bullshit. 96% of the land was owned by Arabs in 1947. That means it's Arab land. The hills the settlers are building on is Palestinian land, the land ownership just isn't recognized by Israel. NONE of the settlements built in the West Bank was built on land owned by Israel or the settlers. That's why the settlements are illegal.
JuniMajnoony 2 months ago
@JuniMajnoony lets say you're right, how did arabs get to own 96% of the land?
- did they inherit it from the ottomans?
- did they purchase it?
my argument is that this land is disputed.. it isnt owned by arabs who illegally occupied it in 1948 and never created an independent palestinian state, nor is it owned by israelis.
but if you want to demand israel to stop construction, you should demand the same thing from the arabs. not doing so makes you a hypocrite.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce The people on the land owned the land to begin with!!! The Ottomans were only collecting taxes and were acting as the ruling government. The people on the land had been there for centuries! This notion that they were illegally occupying it is hogwash! The Palestinians aren't constructing, there's nowhere to construct! They are losing land, not gaining it.
JuniMajnoony 2 months ago
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@JuniMajnoony "owned the land to begin with" - to begin with what? begin with the dinosaurs? the islamic conquests? the ottoman empire? the big bang?
"This notion that they were illegally occupying it is hogwash" - if that is the case, then its just as much hogwash as to say israel is illegally occupying it.
last i heard, the palestinians are planning a new city (Ruwabi) in the west-bank.. seems like there's a bit more land left for the arabs to illegally occupy.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce No beginning with at least 800 years ago, which is how far my family tree goes back on the land - and I'm not unique. Or do you think we were "illegally occupying" it for the past 800yrs?! Are you f'ing kidding me?! My family has no right to our land you're saying?! It's interesting you mention Rawabi. It's been 4 years and the IDF won't give the project a simple permit to build a road to bring in construction materials. Sounds like real development - not.
JuniMajnoony 2 months ago
@chowdaboy7501 "I never said this land was..." - yes you did: "Israeli's building settlements in >>Palestinian land<<". how can this be palestinian land if an agreement hasnt been reached to determine which of it is palestinian land?
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce Alright then, personally I think this has dragged out too much. I hope they do come to terms one day. Peace.
chowdaboy7501 2 months ago
@wildlettuce You don't need an 'agreement', the settlements have been deemed illegal by international law. NONE of the land in the West Bank where the settlements are located need to be agreed upon, the decision has already been made. Yet Israel keeps building settlements - all the while screaming they want peace. They could start peace by stopping settlements and they don't want that so what are the Ps to do?
JuniMajnoony 2 months ago
@JuniMajnoony lets recall 1948, simply to remember that it was the palestinians (arabs) who rejected the partition plan and as a result created the DISPUTE that i'm talking about.
my view is that settlements are no barrier for peace - between 1948-1967 there were no settlements, did that mean peace? nope. if an agreement to uproot settlements is reached during negotiations, the israeli government will do so. if you want proof for it, look at what israel did in 2005 (gaza).
peace.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce are u fucking retarded? how would u like it , if somone forign country comes along and says , ohh hay u have land , why dont u share it with the indians , since they dont have land , okay then i will split ur country into two , and u guys play along nicely , ohhh im gonna support the indians btw , and give them unlimmited amounts of money , weaopons and support ! have a good life !
Tiitoo88 2 months ago
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@Tiitoo88 "how would u like it , if somone forign country comes along.." - you mean like the arabs did with egypt? oh, hold on a second, the arabs simply took over everything and didnt ask any questions so i guess its not comparable :)
btw - egypt also receives money, weapons and support from USA. this is clearly a case of a pot calling the kettle black.
i hope your revolution brings you prosperity rather than religious oppression. peace.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce Actually, both sides rejected the partition. The Zionists because they wanted ALL of Palestine and the Palestinians because they saw it as a foreign invasion, which was true. The Israeli gov't has no intention of removing settlements - they're not building them just to remove them later. The only reason they moved out of Gaza is because of armed resistance against them (they couldn't protect them) and Gaza wasn't priority territory for them to begin with.
JuniMajnoony 2 months ago
@JuniMajnoony historical facts prove you wrong - the zionists declared a state within the borders designated to them (181). they even said that all arab residents will be accepted as equal citizens.
israel could've flattened gaza instead of evacuating its jewish residents. they pulled out of gaza as a gesture of good will and reached out for peace. they left a whole industry there (greenhouses and flowers), but the palestinians burnt it all.
oh, so gaza isnt priority now.. any more excuses?
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce I think you're sadly mistaken - unless by what you mean as "all arab residents will be accepted" as starting a war to purposely remove all Palestinians from the planned Jewish state 1948. And by 1949, Israel had way overstepped the partition anyway (as planned), so your argument is meaningless. What's worse is that you accept the idea in the first place of colonizing Britian partitioning the land - which they had no right to do. Start with principle, not fact.
JuniMajnoony 2 months ago
@JuniMajnoony
who occupied west-bank and gaza in 1948?
can you guess why they did that?
once jordan illegally occupied west-bank and egypt occupied gaza, there was nothing left to partition... no land left to give to the palestinians. the truth is that the arabs stole palestine.
i accept british colonization as much as i accept the islamic conquests and now the jewish state of israel.
"had no right to" - who gives 'right'? who gave the arabs the 'right' to occupy egypt? what utter nonsense.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce You're soo stupid it hurts.
Carnuss 2 months ago
@Carnuss interesting when faced with actual facts you resort to pre-school level discourse.
egypt occupied gaza and jordan occupied west-bank between 1948 and 1967 - that is a fact.
the arabs gained 'ownership' over the middle east (e.g. israel, egypt) through the islamic conquests - that is a fact.
your 'logic' is pretty common for the anti-israeli herd: fact = stupid.
go watch 1984, that movie was made for you.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce Die.
Carnuss 2 months ago
@wildlettuce Who gives Israel the right to use white phosphorus on innocent women and children? Give Zionists an inch and they want a mile.
Carnuss 2 months ago
@wildlettuce It seems you're an expert at the bullshit. Let's justify war with war. The Muslims did it (mind you centuries before), so then it's ok for Israel. He raped, so I raped, it's ok. The only major distinction you fail to make is that this wasn't conquest, it was genocide in the clearest definition of the word.
JuniMajnoony 2 months ago
@JuniMajnoony you're getting me all wrong.. i'm not justifying war, i'm simply arguing that its not as one-sided as you might think.
as for your genocide claims - the population growth, lowered infant mortality rates and long life expectancy (relatively to the rest of arab world) tell a different story. if you're picky, take any middle-eastern conflict and compare the number of dead to that in the israeli-palestinian conflict. iran-iraq? syria? jordan (black-september)? iraq-usa? iraq-kuwait?
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce No, it's not one-sided. But if you think the Ps are the ones who are blocking peace, then I suggest you deprogramme yourself of Israeli propaganda and take a fresh look at the situation like much of the world already has - including Israelis and Jews around the world. You're so ignorant that you think Palestinians don't exist - the Israeli propaganda machine really works! You've successfully erased selective history and invented a new one - except we're still here.
JuniMajnoony 1 month ago
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@wildlettuce No, it's not one-sided. But if you think the Ps are the ones who are blocking peace, then I suggest you deprogramme yourself of Israeli propaganda and take a fresh look at the situation like much of the world already has - including Israelis and Jews around the world. You're so ignorant that you think Palestinians don't exist - the Israeli propaganda machine really works! You've successfully erased selective history and invented a new one - except we're still here.
JuniMajnoony 1 month ago
@wildlettuce Definition of genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. Tell me what part of what happened in '48 or what's happening now does not fit this definition. Please note that the definition does not say compare Iraq to Palestine and then make a decision. '48 was genocide and some of what is happening now is genocide, if not ethnic cleansing at the very least. Either way, still horrible.
JuniMajnoony 1 month ago
@JuniMajnoony i have to disagree - i dont think the situation in israel fits the definition of genocide. some massacres took place in 1948, but israel rejected (and still does) this sort of behavior while the palestinians celebrate them.
the sad thing is that in 1948, the arabs were calling to 'throw the jews to the sea'.. here we are 70 years later, and you're still projecting your own intentions (read hamas/plo charter) -on israel.
this is turnspeak at its most rudimentary level.
wildlettuce 1 month ago
@wildlettuce You're right actually, the Jordanians wanted the West Bank. But that doesn't excuse Israel. Israel was just as evil (worse in fact), so there's no excuse there.
And take a couple of steps back - If Israel never happened, the refugees would have never happened and neither would everything else that followed. It was wrong from the very beginning, so let he who hasn't sinned cast the first stone.
JuniMajnoony 2 months ago
@JuniMajnoony the reality is that its the arabs who are the reason why there is no 'palestine' today, not israel. they used west-bank and gaza as a launching pad for attacks on israel and the 'palestinians' as cannon fodder.
i'm not saying israel didnt do any wrong, but the reality is that the palestinians are where they are today because of their choices - israel did not choose the war in 1948.
to take a couple of steps back would mean to cancel jordan, egypt, lebanon, syria & iraq..
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce That's crap. The Arabs are not the reason. From the very beginning, Israel purposefuly pursued a policy of occupation and oppression - even against Ps in Israel, which I can attest to - to keep the Ps from getting anywhere. There were other players in the game, but Israel was leading. What Jordan did is neither here nor there because regardless, Israel was on it's own mission. If Israel was happy giving Ps rights, then why do they treat their own Pn citizens like shit?
JuniMajnoony 1 month ago
@wildlettuce Since you don't have a moral universe, let me try to construct one for you. There were people there living peacefully for centuries. They had a right to their land because they had been there from the beginning - i.e. it was their land. That means they have rights to the land, just to be clear. It's pretty simple actually. As soon as you take that land, then you are in the wrong. It's called stealing. Does that explain it?
JuniMajnoony 2 months ago
@JuniMajnoony the problem with your moral universe is that you only apply it to israel.
as you've shown in previous comments, you expect the palestinians to be violent, while at the same time you demand that israel keep taking hits.
1,400 dead in gaza in 2008 got the whole world on its feet.. over 5,000 dead in syria so far and no-one gives a shit.. moral universe? my ass.
the arabs were not there from 'the beginning', arabs originated in Saudi-Arabia (1,200km away).. nice try.
wildlettuce 2 months ago
@wildlettuce I don't just expect the Ps to be violent, I would expect anyone living under their ridiculous conditions to be violent - as you should. How can you sit there and think that when you occupy millions, make their life hell, stop them at every turn when they tryto better themselves, that they are not going to lose their minds? Do you think you wouldn't?! Go live in the OT and then tell me that you wouldn't do the same. Do you think anyone would put up with that shit? No.
JuniMajnoony 1 month ago
@wildlettuce I've seen both sides. I lived in Israel, I've lived in the OT. You have not a clue what it's like and that's why you have not a clue how Israel could be wrong. You haven't walked in those shoes. The Pns are not perfect and they've done some f'd up things. But there is such a thing as more wrong. With Israel's mentality, no matter what the Ps did, Israel would continue to oppress them. They only have revolt left as an option. Either that or bend over. Not happening.
JuniMajnoony 1 month ago
@wildlettuce Where did you originate my friend? Do you even know? If you're a Sephardic jew, then you have more genetic connection to me than I do to anyone in Saudi Arabia. The only difference is that we stayed and you didn't, which means we have more ties to the land than you do. This idea that you need reverse the clock 2,000yrs is retarded, especially at our expense. The whole idea was bullshit to begin with and you are the only retards in history to ever attempt it.
JuniMajnoony 1 month ago
@JuniMajnoony was the idea of collapsing the ottoman empire also bullshit?
"you are the only retards in history to ever attempt it" - i disagree, the palestinians are the second group of retards to attempt it. the jews are one of the oldest nations still walking this planet and the only nation in history to ever return to their original homeland (most have dissipated)..
if the idea is so retarded, why are the palestinians so adamant on doing the exact same thing?
wildlettuce 1 month ago
@wildlettuce The Palestinians are not trying to do the same thing - i.e. making biblical claims to the land - they just want their homes back – which they rightfully deserve – if not compensation. Never did they once say God gave them the land. And for all the stupid concepts of Islam - which you get in other religions also, you can give them credit for being realistic on that one. So sorry, I think the Jews are the only retards in this case.
JuniMajnoony 1 month ago
@JuniMajnoony if the palestinians are not making religious claims, what do they want with jerusalem?
there have already been many negotiations, the arabs (palestinians) were offered compensation and nearly 100% of westbank+gaza, but have refused repeatedly.
i used to believe in palestinian aspirations for peace, but as time went by and they got more violent rather than peaceful, by using the aid money to fund further attacks on israel and educate for hate they have lost my trust.
wildlettuce 1 month ago
@JuniMajnoony i know you probably think they were offered 'too little', or that they 'couldnt sacrifice the refugees'.. frankly - i think these are excuses. there are nations that are still dreaming of the mere possibility for an independent state, while the palestinians are refusing every offer they were ever made.
if you think the jews are 'retarded', be the 'wise' ones - accept peace and build a future for your children. but not one that educates for the eradication of your neighbour.
wildlettuce 1 month ago
@wildlettuce There is a perfect example of the propaganda in action. The Jews are not a people!!! They are no more a people than Christians are a people or Buddhists are a people, even if genetic tests show that. The recent genetic tests show some similarities (and a ALOT of mixing), but who cares? If you could find common genetic markers of Christians in England with Christians in Iraq (which you probably could), then should we create a Christian nation?!
JuniMajnoony 1 month ago
@JuniMajnoony here we go again, do you want me to prove to you that a palestinian people didnt exist prior to the 1960's? how does that contribute to anything? and how is it relevant?
if you stomp on jewish identity and self-determination, dont be surprised when they do the same to you.
the palestinians already made this mistake in 1948, and so far it cost them over 60 years and two generations of refugees..
wildlettuce 1 month ago
@wildlettuce You had already stomped on my identity - according to you, I don't exist - regardless of the fact that my family lived on a land for 800 years called Palestine and my father's birth certificate says he was born in Palestine. We called ourselves Ps for centuries - even if you don't know it. I'm not trying to degrade anyone - I want a two-state solution - or even better - one joined state where everyone can stay and live peacefully, whatever it's called. That's democracy!
JuniMajnoony 1 month ago
@JuniMajnoony i never said you dont exist, what i said was that these sort of claims are meaningless.. its not up to me to decide whether you're a palestinian or not, nor is it my place to try and suggest otherwise.
the 'problem' with a one-state solution is that the country will very quickly become a muslim state. one-state is a means to undermine jewish self determination. why should there be a jewish state? because history (recent and older) show that islamic regimes are simply not tolerant.
wildlettuce 1 month ago
@wildlettuce You said that the Ps didn't exist prior to 1967 which is just Israeli propaganda. The pathetic reason is that didn't have sovereignty, but if that were true than the Native Americans, Aboriginees, many African tribes and Latin American tribes don't exist either. What's ironic is that they say the Jews had a unique identity prior to Israel, but you think that people who lived on a land called Palestine and called themselves Ps for centuries didn't exist until 1967. Lies.
JuniMajnoony 1 month ago
@JuniMajnoony i didnt, i said i could prove it, but that is has no relevance to our discussion or what the present situation is. right now, the palestinians exist.
i spoke to several (much) older palestinians who told me they called themselves arabs or jordanians (pre/post 1948). even the international community used the term 'palestinian' to describe jews, not arabs..
that doesnt mean the palestinian people dont exist right now, it simply means they didnt identify as such early last century.
wildlettuce 1 month ago