I wonder how the denier liars will react to the now total exposure of the fraud perpetrated by Richard Krege by the GPR tests at Treblinka which shows the presence of graves there?
@theshow2k8 Kreges survery was a hoax....the first official and legal study of the grounds of treblinka since the 40's has just been completed and proves mass burials using the equipment krege claimed to have used. Check out BBC news website. I cant post the link...
l think it's time for an independent commission to search the Treblinka soil with instruments and prove or deny Krege's claims.lf verified that would put also many other claims about concentration camps and the holocaust under a big question.lf denied that would prove Krege to be a fucking revisionist liar.Btw,l think your walking on the cemetery and saying you see no proof of dead bodies is quite hilarious to question Krege report.He claimed to use instruments not just observed the landscape.
@partisan72 Krege was never there so how could he have used instruments. The difference between the two is that I actually visited this cemetery whereas Krege did not bother. The first burden of proof is on Krege to show that he was at Treblinka and explain why there is no record of this alleged visit, how he got into Poland without a stamp in his passport, why there is no record of him travelling there, how the equipment got there.....
@alanheath l don't get why would he claim about those tests being done yet never even visited the spot.l don't say it's impossible but it seems pretty strange to me.Revealing that he made it all up would cast a stain to the whole revisionism itself l guess.Independent commission may have easily proven or denied his claims.l'm not sure if he would take such a childish risk by telling such a hardcore lie which anyone can put to the test.l'd wish to see you're right anyway.
@partisan72 I get perfectly well why Krege made this story up - to cast doubt. He did make it up - he was never there - that is a fact. And if you do not believe me, why not ask him directly, also ask him to prove it to you. Something simple like a stamp in his passport showing that he was in Poland - but he has not even got that!
@alanheath Alan, have you seen the new report by Caroline Sturdy-Colls? she has researched the site and carried out ground penetrating radar surveys with permission from the authorities...She has found evidence of ground disturbance/burial pits, and foundations for buildings which tally up with documented evidence of the gas chambers etc...the report is on BBC radio 4 at 8PM tonight. More info and publications to follow.
@bhm1712 I heard about it but will look it up now! In any case bone fragments can be found at Treblinka but in nowhere near the quantities like used to be found at Belzec (where they littered the ground) and at Sobibór.
This will not make any difference to the denier liars. They will just claim that the survey did not take place, or that it is planted evidence, or that Caroline was tortured, or that maybe she killed some people and it is their bones or something equally ridiculous.
Wait a minute, have you conducted the same ground analysis tests that Krege did? Again you are not comparing like with like if you did not. May I suggest had you, you might have found interrupted soil patterns and bones and ashes.
@lrishNationalist Yes, I am comparing like with like. And I went one step further. I have been to Treblinka many times. Krege never once went there. His alleged GPR tests are a hoax. He was never there. And if you claim otherwise tell me the alleged date of his visit because there is no record of it anywhere else.
How are you comparing like with like. Let's go along with the argument he was not there. You would still have to produce a proper GPR analysis, I mean why not, if people are so sure that Treblinka was and has scientific verifiable results. Then have someone go and make a video, showing they are in Treblinka, showing possibly a local newspaper and do the analyses.
Wouldn't that be the objective way to end the debate, rather than saying your point and others using the law?
@lrishNationalist You are right and I am wrong. I am not comparing like with like. Krege never went to Treblinka whereas I did and I also went to this graveyard.
If you want to do an analysis then you are free to do so.
It won't stop the denier liars though. The mass graves at Belzec were clearly documented, denier liars could attend the digs if they so wished but they did not. Nonetheless these nutters continue to argue that there was no killings in Belzec.
How do you know the man was not at Treblinka? are those not photos of the concrete or stone boulders sticking out of the ground- are they of Treblinka?
2ndly on a purely again objective and non-personal line of inquiry- what I said remains fully true. You set out to compare a situation where a man found no physical geographic evidence, but instead of saying and proving he was not in Treblinka, you do take on board his whole scientific experiment.
And it is because you yourself take on that issue, of how one cannot see any evidence of remains, then THAT is what we are talking about here. So I am taking to task, precisely what YOU are taking to task- the Krege REPORT, not Krege the man.
So again you have just by-passed what I have said, and are not comparing like with like. But in the 1st instance, you would have had to use the same equipment and do a proper GPR analysis and sediment analysis to fully make any comment
...any comment concerning the graveyard comparison. You surely can admit that what I am getting at, is your graveyard comparison talk and analysis does not compare to any GPR and sediment analysis. That is the whole point, so your video with the graveyard comments is moot. Do you not understand what I am getting at, just with that issue alone?
Regardless of whether Krege was there or not. (that really is not what I am talking about, and doesn't come into it)
Perhaps if you focused more on your argument of him not being there at all, and showing your evidences for that being the case, it is far more logical and solid. But from my point of view then on that, you would have to say, well that is what you say, and the man says different.
Do we have evidence he was not there? Isn't it said he was there in Oct 1999. Remember, liars and fakes on both sides of the argument damage both sides of their respective arguments.
"If you want to do an analysis then you are free to do so."
Are you saying you are not prepared to do a full GPR and other tests on Treblinka to show up a person you believe is a fake?
"Krege never went to Treblinka whereas I did and I also went to this graveyard."
Surely then you are primarily well-placed to do these sort of tests, knowing the people and the place. If I was in your position and trying to defend your position from people you say are liars-
then why not go ahead and conduct those tests? What have you to lose, seems like a full fool proof way of shutting down this krege debate fully once and for all, with no holes. So why not?
@lrishNationalist I don't have the financial resources and apart from that why? It is a bit like going around doing DNA tests on the population of Dublin to find out if they are Irish or not.
Krege has been shown to be a liar - and denier liars would only come up with some other nutty conspiracy theory. We are dealing here with hate not facts.
Do they bury 1000s of bodies together in a cemetary. 1000s of bodies would deposit as a deinite layer in the soil substratum. Individual or even a few bodies buried together may not do so, they are diffused and carried around by earthworms etc.
But 1000s of bodies burnt and ashen, will definitely show up as a layer different to the original and surrounding earth layers. Please compare like with like.
@angora34 You won't see anything because it does not exist. I cannot even find a date for this alleged visit. There is no record of it anywhere. There would be a paper and eye witness trail - as there is for the 750k victims. Krege was never there - he is a liar.
Alan, I have been watching all your video's and reading the comment's etc.
I have a question;Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted that the 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union. Is this true,or Why did it have to be rebuilt, and what other purpose was it used for, lastly any book you would recomend on this?
@Laila6990 This is not true and it is perfectly typical of the denier liar modus operandi. This building changed use several times and was rebuilt during the war. When the large gas chambers were built it was no longer required to kill people and was used for other purposes. What you can see today is an attempt in 1948 to show what it looked like when it was a gas chamber and there is a sign next to it clearly indicating so (which is on one of my films).
Alan you said below that "deniers can make a fortune by selling racist literature.The real industry is the neo Nazi denial industry." and that you have never made a penny, infact it costs you money.
so Will you be keeping the proceeds from your forthcoming book or will you be donating them to the Shaoh foundation?
Also, I was wondering about your Holocaust lectures or where the 200 Euros you charge for each camp tour goes,
@Laila6990 I did not know that I had a forthcoming book. I have never charged for lectures on the holocaust and I have rarely even received my expenses.
@alanheath Oh, I thought I read some where about a book on Chelnmo, Anyway you don't seem like the sort of chap who would try to make money from the Holocaust etc..and knowing your strong feelings on the subject I am really surprised to see you with David Irving. Some say he certainly fits the holocaust denier, neo-Nazi, as well as racsist label etc.. plus, this guy came to Toronto to help defend Ernst Zundel!
@Laila6990 I spend a great deal of my money on bringing out these videos and educating people into Nazi crimes. In these circumstances I am sure you won't mind making a small contribution. It does not have to be cash, you could send me petrol vouchers or internet access vouchers which can be purchased internationally. Alternatively it could be a voucher to get new equipment. In view of your comments about what I do with my money, I am sure you will contribute in the interests of education.
Pretty well sums it up, Alan. There are no depths these people will not plumb to 'prove' their version of events, and the Adelaide Institute are responsible for some of the most preposterous claims about the Holocaust we are ever likely to hear. It's like a breath of fresh air watching your videos. Thank you, Sir.
@MSM4U2POM Thank you! One wonders are these people so full of hatred that they cannot be bothered to check the nonsense put out by the Adelaide Institute or is it that they are totally gullible.
@alanheath after reading all of the comments in this video I've come to conclusion that you are some what stupid or playing ignorant.
You keep ignoring dates given yet even if exact dates and clock times were to given to you, you wouldnt be able to do anything with them. So obvious conclusion is that the constant shouting of date time is just strawman trying to dismiss the actual fact that we have VIDEO him being on the memorial site.
Instead you keep saying that the video is fake while not showing how it could have been faked? Did he insert himself to that memorial site by bluesreen?!? That sounds like foliohat theory to me and can be disproven by any video expert. I've done video editing my whole life and I can say it's not fake. The editing of that video of corse is questionable and should be questioned. Also the results should be questioned but questiong was he there is a stupid and childish.
Whatever there was actual testing being done or not, is another question, that this video can not answer.
The test result are also not anyway proven by the video and should be questioned.
It's very unscientific of you to attack the date of the alleged visit when you could try to disprove the actual test by actually requiring the results. If you were actual scientist or historian you would seek answers by doing research. Try asking permission to do soil experiments and sample the site.
I mean, it would end the debate once and for all. You would be millionair and you probably would get free citizenship from Israel for your great accomplishments.
Truth is you wont get permission to do any real research because jewish lobby will cruxify you from your balls. I dont think there is anything wrong with wanting answers but apparently there are people who do.
Why is it that it's the conspiracy nuts who sound more scientific then the people who try to support the "old" story.
There is nothing more sad then grown man trying to hold on a dead position. If you cant give names or dates of the documents you claim are in Auchwitz archives then you shouldnt be jumping on your "give the date of Kregs visit" argument.
A grown man would acknowledge that he doesnt know or he cant show exact date. Unlike your opponent in this argument, you keep changing the subject. Heretharbemonsters clearly tells you how it is. The month and that he doesnt know which 31 days it is.
So why cant you just say you dont have any documental evidence, when you clearly dont have it? Auchwitz archives is pritty besific place so you must know what the document number or name is?
It seems you dont have any evidence. A honest man would acknowledge this and say I made a mistake. But it seems your ego is too huge to come to the realization that maybe im wrong. Maybe I dont have enough evidence to disprove my opponent.
4. Popular oppinion does not equal fact or that given oppinion is right.
5. Who ever makes a extraordinary claim has to give evidence. Example Does god exist? Prove it. If I claim my nabour killed Kennedy, then I need to prove my claim to be true, for me to be taken seriously.
6. Saying 713555 people died in 5 months in 4x6x10 meter space is extraordinary claim and should be proven to be true, if taken seriously.
7. Asking questions doesnt make anyone anti-semite or nazi.
Doing videos of bad humour and no sense of good sarcasm while playing the popular oppinion card shows how schoolyard bullying tactics dont actually work on anyone with any sense of understanding on given subject.
You dont get points by getting people to laugh at your points and making your opponents side look bad,
It just shows your lack of intellectual honesty. I know, I will be attacked by my english, but it doesnt matter,because truth is not an oppinion poll.
@baelthedemon Truth is not an opinion poll. And as for your English, if you are a non native speaker then your English is really excellent - unlike your arguments which are basically ignorant whilst your tone is arrogant.
5. EXACTLY! So apply that same reason to the extraordinary claim of Gas chambers you should demand evidence before believing it. Just like you should ask evidence of my nabour who is said to have killed Kennedy or any UFO nut job.
6. EXACTLY!!! so Why do you believe those records that clearly are impossible. When mathematicly calculated! So if we can clearly disprove the validity of the actual numbers then why do you use it as evidence if it's wrong? I mean it's impossible. Why use?!?
@baelthedemon There is plenty of evidence for gas chambers only you won't accept it. Yet you accept fairy stories like Krege's visit. Amazing.
I know of no records that are mathematically impossible. I accept that Krege's visit is mathematically possible - only it is not backed up with any evidence.
Before wasting my time with any more of your stupidity, just give me the date of this alleged visit. That is all - one date. VERY EASY. Ask Krege yourself when he was there.
1. There is no date because it does not exist. Therefore he was never there. In ten years and several letters he could have supplied me with one date. Very easy but no.
2. I agree.
3. Claims are disproven. If a person was not at the place that he claimed to be then anything he claimed to have seen or done there is clearly not worth bothering with.
1.There is a freaking video of the claimed visit so clearly your reputal in the first conclusion is wrong.
3.You seem to have a disconnect in your brain. The video clearly proves that he was there. What time it happend is another question and the validity of his testing is another question so him being there is not.
It's like saying Alexander the Great didnt exist because we dont know the exact date he was live & died.
Or Genghis Khan. The actual date doesnt disprove it. Can you grasph that?
@baelthedemon There is a video but there is no evidence to back it up. Why is there no record of Krege's visit anywhere else? Simple answer - because he was never there. If he were there then provide evidence. You can't because he was not.
I believe Krege's video as much as I believe Star Wars. I don't think that was filmed en situ either.
@baelthedemon There has constant research by many people. You could do it. In fact, why don't you. You are probably the one with such a huge ego. You do it. Now.
unfortunatly the whole documentation thing is that I have to rely on other peoples word because I'm not able to go to Poland but if you clearly can then you as a great humanbeing can show once and for all as you seem to know that these documents clearly exist then you could provide them take scans and uplaod it to internet so finally this debate can be crushed.
I mean you are done research on camps before and there for widelly known in the circles and are given access to all documents
Again as being nobody I dont think it would be good for me to buy ariplane tickets or drive to Poland just to get "No can do" theartment from the Auchwitz personels.
But as widely known historian and WW2 researcher you can squash this debate by coming up with the evidence as you clearly know where they are. I mean David Irvin says there is no documentation that shows final solution or prove gas chambers.
@baelthedemon You claim to be living in the Czech Republic but you cannot be bothered to go to Poland which is just over the border. It is the neighbouring country. To your north.
@alanheath I dont live in Czech... The name Bael The Demon should ring a bell to any Metal fan and Czech is one of the best countries that produce good metal music with Norway.
@baelthedemon The sentence structure was not that of a Czech native speaker although your English is much better than some native speakers who make comments - not just spelling but also structure.
I do not know who Bael the Demon is. I like the 'lighter' forms of metal from the 1980s although that probably is not metal any more (possibly).
@baelthedemon The thing is I can give dates and anyone can go into the Auschwitz archive to check. Unlike Krege. I can give you the exact date this film here was made - and for my visits. The reason for this is that there is evidence which can be corroborated. Receipts, weather conditions, other places I was at.
This is called evidence and it would stand up in court. Unlike your fairy stories.
Give all your evidence and I'll check it like every other person that is intrested in this subject.
You should upload all the evidence and documentation of your research like videos and photos to web so everyone can see it not just some email because I think this should be public.
@baelthedemon Now we see your point. According to you no research is being done because as you say 'jewish lobby will cruxify you from your balls'. However I was present at the archeological digs in three other death camps - I have even film of this site. I have questioned many eye witnesses - film on this site.
You have something against answers and I can see from this response what it is. Your conspiracy theory about the alleged 'jewish lobby' (sic).
@alanheath Again eyewitnesses are not anyway reliable or every nutjob that saw virgin marry would be taken seriously. So you claim to have done research on camps then I request to see your results and evidence of your research. I mean Im open to new evidence and ready to drop my claims if I'm being proven wrong and the given evidence can take the threatment of scientific processes.
Jewish lobby is real and not a debateble question. I mean USA keeps vetoing UN resolutions every year for Israel.
@baelthedemon It is not unscientific at all. I have asked a simple question which should be VERY EASY to answer. The simplest question. When was Krege there? What date? Very, very easy. Could not be easier. Only there is no answer for a very simple reason. He was never there. Therefore as he was never there I see little point in questioning 'results' he found on a test site where he was not.
The time of the date is not going to disprove that he was not there.
So you are not actually arguing against him being there but arguing against what time he was not there.
If you actually did want to disprove he wasnt there then you would actually try to attack the video that shows he was there but again that's weak argument.
If I was you I would just abandon the argument all together and question the actual results or test done by Krege.
@baelthedemon If he were there how come there are no eye witnesses and no paper trail? Or even a stamp in his passport? Or someone else's passport that looks like him? Nothing.
I can't see the point of attacking the test results of a non existent test.
@baelthedemon I don't know how to fake videos but there are computer programmes that do it. Film directors do it all the time. I presume that when in Quo Vadis they burnt Rome they did not actually go and do it.
@alanheath like I said it's called bluescreen or 3d imaging..
But non of them are seen here. Or you could have done it the old fashion way and make sets but no it's clear that it's not a set. It can be easily proven if someone goes to the site and takes video of the same places and show spots that are equal in both videos or lack of equal stops.
What I can thou agree is that maybe the actual testing was fake or the results can be anything but the video as we see it is real.
@baelthedemon How can the video be real if he was not there. Just answer this one simple, very simple, easy - even for a denier liar. When was he there? Give me a date. Ask him.
You won't do it because it never happened. He was never there.
@alanheath but my friend the video shows he was there. The question you are asking is when and he has given date 1999 October if I remember correctly. That's the most accurate date we have.
Video shows him clearly being there. I dont know why he would want to lie about the time or not be so besific about the time. Now I know he is from Australia and because in Australia holocaust denial is crime. It might be that he is facing Jail time if he the proceeds to go foward more.
@baelthedemon This is a nonsense argument that is frequently used. If it is not a crime to say he was in Poland in October 1999 then it won't be to say the date of this alleged visit.
@baelthedemon There are huge amounts of video, photographic, eye witness and other evidence about death camps yet the denier liars claim all of this is fake and the holocaust did not happen. I have asked for a date of this alleged visit - for which thery are no records - not photographic, eye witness or recorded anywhere (receipts, passport stamps etc.) Nothing. Therefore I conclude Krege was never there.
Explain to me why there is no record if Krege were there?
@alanheath Non of the photographic evidence is done by natzis..
So all of them are done by allies and the bodies in the piles are not evidence of mass murder only that people died. The most logical conclusion is death by disease and hunger and lost of immune to fight disease because bad hygenie and non existing food.
Video evidence again is like photographic evidence and done after the war and there for doesnt actually prove anything.
@baelthedemon There for it's only eyewithness evidence and there are clear signs of lying from the part of eyewithnesses. That doesnt mean all eyewithnesses are lying but it still are just peoples own accounts and there for not officiant in any evidence. If it was just eyewithnesses then for sure 911 would be considered inside job, because eyewitnesses that there were independent explotions in the buildings.
Also there are people who claim to have shot Kennedy or UFO accounts.
There are people who claim jesus appeared to them but do we believe?
So eyewitness is not officiant enough to be taken seriously. Expecially when we have lack of evidence like graves or actual forensic evidence like zyclon b that was not found on the walls.
yet the believers of holocaust come back to the same argument to go to actual sites and see the gas chambers yourself but yet the gas chambers are not orginal and no evidence of the orginal can be found.
@baelthedemon Zyklon was not used at Treblinka so it will not be found. It was used at Auschwitz and it was found in the walls.
Not only do we have perpetrator as well as victim eye witnesses we have a paper trail of deportations, orders and others. We also have bystander evidence of ghettos etc.
You denier liars refuse to accept this but you do accept a fictious visit by Krege for which there is ZERO evidence - not even eye witnesses, despite the time Krege claimed he was there.
It was alleged that the Germans gassed Jews at Dachau, Buchenwald and other concentration camps in Germany. That part of the extermination story was abandoned more than 20 years ago."Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal has acknowledged that "there were no extermination camps on German soil''. In 1989, the Auschwitz State Museum lowered the official death toll to 1.1 million from 4 million. Is this a denial of 2.5 million deaths, Does this make them or Wiesenthal ''Denier Liars" ?
@Laila6990 Of course it does not and this is just the sort of twisted logic used by denier liars. However as always with denier liars, facts are not the strong point. Auschwitz was not in German territory on 1 September 1939 but it was annexed to the Reich later. Wesenthal knew this and said so. There is no official death toll at Auschwitz - just estimates - but the overall amount of deaths in the holocaust has never changed.
@alanheath Sorry, but I don't understand the arithmetic of subtracting 2.5 million and keeping the same total? and please don't take that as a denial of the atrocites that were comitted. Anyway, I would just like to know why the evidence presented for gassings at the six camps in Poland still stands but which is not qualitatively different than the evidence for gassings at Dachau or Buchenwald etc ? With all due respect I would like to have an adult conversation sans the "denier liar" rant.
@Laila6990 The denier liar rant is the adult conversation because that is precisely what it comes to - the point of denial is not doubt but racism.
Who said (names now please) that 4m Jews were killed at Auschwitz? Was this a reliable source or did some denier liar invent it?
The same applies to Dachau and Buchenwald? What sources? How many people killed etc.... I have never once heard of any claims that mass transports were taken there to be gassed.
@alanheath Calm down man, The research department of the Auschwitz Museum estimated that the total number of people killed at the Auschwitz group of camps was about 1.1 million, of whom about 85-90% were Jews. At Auschwitz they displayed a figure of 4 million killed until it was revised, was it not the Communist Polish and Soviet authorities who maintained a figure of 4 million? were they not reliable?
Ground Penetrating Radar would show the existence of buildings, pits, fences - this is what they were looking for, not "bodies". Victims were supposedly tells us they were burnt in great pits, so then, it was the pits themselves (as WELL as the rest of the camp) that was scanned for - nothing was found..
You film a local cemetery to disprove thier findings? How about you put a video with GPR scans/a link to to the scientific investiations you speak of, this will prove you right..
@andy7666 Krege never went to Treblinka. There is no record of him even being in Poland, no record from the site, no permission given for the scan, no record of GPR being brought in or out of Poland, no record of hiring such material.... nothing. In short it is a lie. Krege was never there.
On the other hand there are plenty of records of the mass murders that took place in Treblinka. Only denier liars prefer the fairy stories of the racists.
I emailed Krege about his "survey", several times. He is available through Frederick Toben and/or the Adelaide Institute. He said something on the "survey" would appear in the Barnes Review....but it never did. He was also unwilling to tell who his data was scrutinised by and where it can be found.
How many times have YOU contacted him about a "survey" he claims disproves the Treblinka narrative?
@timpovikings This is a very good question. Denier liars could contact Krege - a fellow denier liar - and try to get their story sorted out. But they don't.
There are so many absurdities about what denier liars have claimed - no trees on the site, no disturbances since the Ice Age etc. when any casual tourist can see that is not the case.
So lets get to the real issue about what these denier liars want to say. It is to cast doubt to justify their racism - nothing more.
The other thing I find intriguing and totally self-defeating, is that Krege says the ground is undisturbed.
So the pits and buildings we know were there, in close proximity to known structures, as appear in the excavator photos, clearly either WEREN'T there - or he wasn't scanning in the right place. But neither Krege nor the poisoned dwarf, Toben, answer email on Treblinka now. The Adelaide Institute, in fact, has nothing to say on the survey!
@timpovikings I don't think there is any point in these racists making any more comments on it From their point of view they have suceeded in what they set out to do which is to provide more fiction for denier liars to claim as 'proof'. If Krege or Toben made any more comments on it, it could only be self defeating.
Anyone can see how much the land has been disturbed - how they missed that is beyond my comprehension - as is how exceptionally gullible denier liars can accept this as evidence.
Hi Alan I read about Krege Traveled on his brothers passport i believe
Some of the comments on Holocaust films are to say the least Bizarre
Going from one end of the spectrum to the other. That one mass murder of peoples justifies another and another Example from what I have read that The Holodomor is one period to justify The Holocaust. Alan December 8th first gassing at Chelmno I believe Again Thank You for all your great films . MY favorite Historian
@susie101fm Hello Susie - thanks for your nice comment!! If Krege travelled on his brother's passport - and I heard this post factum claim too - then there would be a stamp in his brother's passport. There would also be a record of his visit - or how he obtained the equipment. But there are no answers. Therefore one can only assume that he was never there!
@alanheath Alan well yes a invisible visit i also saw your name in what i read which i must admit kept me reading. I read that Krege has not only failed to publish his findings but also has failed to respond to questions to the actual dates of his alleged visits to Treblinka and Bełżec nor challenges to visit the site with qualified scientists. not my words wish I just knew this as you do I am jealous
I did read much on Archaeological Investigations at Bełżec
@susie101fm Krege never responded to me but he did respond to one of my correspondents but shut up as soon as he started to ask embarrassing questions about this alleged visit. One idiot commentator (I deleted the comment) claimed that what did it matter if there were no paper trail? You see the denier liar mentality. They expect the dead to return with proof they were murdered but accept the word of any neo-Nazi liar.
@alanheath Does not matter? scientific studies do not matter Yes i have seen the mentality beyond words like you said and i was like What? The Tunnel from Chelmno to the United States and other places. No proof of gas chambers Zyklon B used for lice on mattress SS tourtured into saying they saw this such as Hans Munch and Franz Suchomel to name just two. Jews did this to make sure that Israel became The Jewish State mind boggling Some think no one died I read that. too.
@susie101fm At the end of the day, there is only one reason for holocaust denial and that is racism. Denier liars need to lie to change the truth but of course for them the ends justify the means. That is the sick world of the racist.
@alanheath3 Yes it is. I had posted on one film that i felt it was not that it happened or did not happen but who the main target was 11 million Jews. Alan how many millions died who were not Jews? Are they forgotten by these Racists? Maybe these people they just hate period.
Ah, I think that the Australians actually looked BENEATH the ground surface, took core samples and sonic equipment and it showed that the ground was never disturbed, as would occur if almost a million people had been buried there.
"This looks more like a scan of sedimentary deposits on the ocean floor" That's what an archaeologist remarked recently when asked to have a look at the only image ever released in relation with Krege's claims about doing a GPR study. She also said that the image looks like an unprocessed scan while noting that for a meaningful analysis, GPR data needs to be be processed.
In your opinion, does Krege's image show a vertical or horizontal cross section?
@bluespaceoddity I cannot see any other. What none of these neo Nazis can stand is the fact that someone checked Krege's story and it does not add up. They were caught lying.
@JohnnyRock2000 They did no such thing. There is no evidence whatsoever that Krege was ever there. He cannot even produce a date for the alleged visit, a stamp in his passport, say which airline he used.... nothing. There is no record of him ever being there. Krege is just a lying fraud.
@JohnnyRock2000 So when did this alleged visit take place? How come there is record of this alleged visit whatsoever. How come he missed a huge quarry?
stop being silly and stop using the pitty accusations of antisemite its old, Here is a bit of news for you to dwell on a piece of News in todays papers NOV 9,2010, show you how every thing is out of sync starting the end of WW2. an ecample of how integrity dealing with the hole issue,"Individuals participated in fraud against the Claims Conference, which issues payments to Jewish Holocaust victims, by falsifying documents attesting to eligibility for Holocaust-related compensation" go figure!
even if the bodies have been removed, evidence in soil contents should show in a simple lab test. I dont like not knowing the truth but well never know.
@cloudchaser07 What do you mean you don't know the truth? The whole point of this denier liar racist fantasy is to cast doubt. If you don't know the truth it is because you don't want to and have been taken in by these peddlers of Nazi fairy tales.
@alanheath3 My Father was a detictive so maybe i guess im used to see conclusive evidence, im not questioning the holocaust, im questioning the number and why the other 60 million who died seem not to matter as much!
@cloudchaser07 If your father was a detective, then try looking at the evidence which is utterly conclusive. It is only the denier liars who seem to think that their base racism is 'evidence' of something not happening.
As for the other 50m victims of the war not mattering as much - that is your opinion which is not shared by many people.
@alanheath3 you just lowered the number by ten million my friend. the estimated number of humans parishing in WW2 is between 60 and 70 million. why would you say the 60 million dont matter to me when im the one who sarcastically mentioned it to begin with,????!!!! seriously. seems that you canceling 10 million like that shows your concern for ythe 6 million jews and not the rest of the european christians.
@alanheath Im going of what i see here and all over the media, merely questioning the number of the dead Jews can point the finger of antisemitism on a person, and the number is firm at 6 million. But then we can estimate the number of the dead from other nations by a difference of as you mentioned of 20 million , then ill start questioning the numbers.
@cloudchaser07 You are deliberately trying to quote me out of context. As I clearly write - the difficulties are with the figures for China and USSR and how deaths are calculated. In Europe we can be much more accurate. The next thing is that the number is not firm at six million.
What basically you are probably trying to do is to find excuses for your own racism.
@alanheath Just what i thought an was hoping not to happen , the racism and antisemitic card that you play. go figure, a simple 'questioning the numbers' can put you someone in the dog house, next thing yiou are going to call me a Nazi.
@cloudchaser07 Not at all. You are not questioning the numbers based on logical argument or evidence but based on your own racism (which you won't admit of course as many of your best friends etc etc..). I have enough experience with these matters to be able to understand the difference.
So because Krege debunks a historical lie, that makes him a neo-Nazis? That is a most pathetic form of the strawman fallacy. I take it the JEWS who disproved the soap and lampshade story must also be neo-Nazis also XD
it’s like someone claiming that they could bury every single man, women and child in Montana - in an area the size of a football field - without leaving an iota of physical evidence! How can anyone in their right mind believe this childish notion that you can make something magically disappear by simply covering it with dirt?
I see you're quoting Weber and Allen again - except without the quotes or telling anyone where you're hijacking your own intellect from.
The narrative makes clear what was done with these graves when the decision was made to terminate activity there. The graves were opened and the contents burned, as supervised by SS-Scharführer Floss. The Polish Commission found clear evidence or remains over a wide area and is the reason locals searched for loot there.
@timpovikings The locals searched for loot there - but Krege did not bother going. He just invented a story about being there and the racist filth just swallow it all.
If Krege had been there - he would have had a date for his alleged visit but no-one has ever found a date for it.. Strange isn't it?
I did some work for Robin Oneil's survey of Belzec. I am one of a handful of people he sent his video diary to, along with copious notes and the bulk of his dissertation. While excavating Belzec, large quantities of bones were discovered and bagged for later disposal.
Come the end of the survey, these bones were taken well outside the camp area for burial in secrecy, where they unearthed yet more graves!
While at Belzec, Oneil was asked to take his team to excavate a site where partisans were known to have been buried after execution. Leaving their excavations for two days, they returned to find all their test pits had been entered and the side walls probed and dug into for loot, by the locals.
Oneil interviewed many of the older inhabitants on camera. No non-sinister accounts.
Red is the bog standard denier; knows little, talks rubbish, hates research.
@timpovikings I knew nothing about this! I photographed a place where locals were massacred in October 1942 when Ukrainian guards who had burnt a stable killing Hering's horse claimed it was partisans. I went to this site in the summer of 2004. It is around 8km from Bełżec. They selected around 40 villagers to be murdered. I interviewed the son of one of the victims who was sent home. In all probability the guards had got drunk, fallen asleep and a cigarette burnt the stable down.
Oneil has a very thorough method. Much of his video diary is taken up with pieces to camera on his conversations with locals and the stories which never get recorded.
I merely got in touch to ask about his experiences and later he asked me to write the timeline for the video, before it was submitted to the YV archives. He sent a parcel of his original notes and maps and is still available through the Uni of London, as far as I know.
The Reds of this world can't seem to grasp that it's not all about the internet and Stormfront! These idiots don't even have a basic grasp of the holocaust narrative at any one place, let alone AR.
It's curious. If you listen to the deniers, Fred Leuchter and Ernie Zundel know all the right answers. One lied for a living and never built a gas chamber, the other was selling the world a story about nazi UFOs, hidden under the Antarctic.
@alanheath Hey alan, I am having a problem with a Holocaust denier on a video here. He keeps asking me where the bodies are at Treblinka. I told him some were burned and others buried, but he keeps saying that 700K could not have been buried. I am familiar with other camps, but I have not really researched Treblinka before, can you give me some insight as to where the bodies are?
@RyZombie619 No problem. I filmed the burial area at Treblinka and as can be seen in that film it is huge. I don't see why 700k bodies could not be buried - in the US they do a lot more every year - and that is not just pulling people out of gas chambers and throwing them in pits. As you can see from the photos two diggers were at work. In real terms it comes to less than 5,000 per day on average with a 500 man crew.
@alanheath3 well he claims that they could not have been burned in crematoriums because there were not any ashes left in the crematoriums? does that make any sense to you?
@RyZombie619 Makes perfect sense to me. He is a denier liar. Lives in a world of fantasy and delusion. There were no crematoria. So how can any ash be there. On the other hand you can see plenty of scorched sand and earth.
@RyZombie619 Good idea. The difference between holocaust denial and UFO hunting is that it is theoretically possible that he may find some evidence for the latter.
@alanheath2 am very very sorry, thaught that you are denier of the truth, thias was making me upset- but i think i had some problems with my poor english, sorry!
I deleted my further comments and i would propose to all neonazis to look Claude Lanzmann "Shoah" documentary which was issued in 1985, they could learn much about the whole theme.regards
@AvantimeV6injection Alternatively they could speak to Nazis who were actually there. The last commandant of Sobibór was alive comparitively recently and offered to speak to denier liars. To the best of my knowledge no denier liar ever took him up on his offer. There are two or three members of the staff at Auschwitz who made the same offer. Denier liars are not interested in the truth - only their own perverted, racist, conspiracist fantasy world.
Utterly eradicated? How about utter nonsense? It’s understandable when a toddler believes that he’s made himself invisible while playing peek-a-boo by covering his eyes, but how do you explain the insanity of those who believe that a layer of soil can make millions of pounds of evidence magically disappear? To put this incredibly unbelievable story in perspective,
@TheRedcatchop How do the denier liars explain the eye witnesses who are there today? Why don't you go there and talk to them? You won't because you prefer to believe your fairy stories.
The Germans, by simply putting a layer of soil over 6 “huge mass graves” containing millions of pounds of bone fragments and tens of millions of teeth, “utterly eradicated” all the evidence of the biggest cemetery in Poland!
Nothing remains? Who in their right mind could believe this nonsensical “magically disappearing bodies / perfect crime” story? Everyone knows that at every crime scene - EVIDENCE IS LEFT BEHIND: “Cremated remains weigh between three and nine pounds.” So in order to believe the absurd Treblinka mass burial claims, you must accept this as gospel,
@TheRedcatchop The weight of cremated remains depends on the extent of the force used to destroy them. And then you have to know where the remains are.
Everyone with a brain, an interest and a little enthusiasm in the subject matter, also knows that evidence was found - and can still be found - at all sites known to have been employed in mass murder. This includes Auschwitz.
Sadly, deniers don't get to dictate what is excavated, GPR-ed and endlessly sifted through, just to satisfy unreasonable standards of personal credibility.
You idiots only focus on what you know will now not occur. Not what is already proven.
@timpovikings Lol, you sound like a real expert.. Do you not think archaeological excavations would have been touted almost ENDLESSLY in the press for the last 60 years if there was anything to find? We can find out what a man living in the Ice Age ate, we unearth ancient cultures millenia old, material large & small, yet "we" can't find any solid evidence of the LARGEST EVENT of the last century - the industrial murder of MILLIONS of people? There is still no conclusive proof? Not ONE autopsy?
@timpovikings you cant prove shit moron. because there ISNT ANY. i researched this for years for proof and all i ever see is holohoax crybabies telling me its true because they say so and because they seen the "proof" in the pictures. too bad any pictures you may have seen have been taken out of context and used against the national socialists for a ultimate israeli cash cow lie.
Well. . . one thing is for sure. . it's not hard to probe that KREGE STILL HASN'T PRODUCED A REPORT!
Too funny. . . is that all you denialist have to put your faith into??. . Liars like Leuchter, Dreamers like Mattogno, Liberal Arts majors like Fauxrissen??
I mean. . . wow dude. I've got some suweeeeet land between New Orleans and Baton Rouge that you might be interested in!
I wonder how the denier liars will react to the now total exposure of the fraud perpetrated by Richard Krege by the GPR tests at Treblinka which shows the presence of graves there?
alanheath 1 week ago 2
Get the equipment needed and this grave yard will show signs of bodies unlike Treblinka.
This is a very bad example to compare Treblinka with might i add.
theshow2k8 1 week ago
@theshow2k8 I am sure the graveyard will show signs of bodies. As Treblinka also does.
alanheath 1 week ago 2
@theshow2k8 Kreges survery was a hoax....the first official and legal study of the grounds of treblinka since the 40's has just been completed and proves mass burials using the equipment krege claimed to have used. Check out BBC news website. I cant post the link...
bhm1712 1 week ago
l think it's time for an independent commission to search the Treblinka soil with instruments and prove or deny Krege's claims.lf verified that would put also many other claims about concentration camps and the holocaust under a big question.lf denied that would prove Krege to be a fucking revisionist liar.Btw,l think your walking on the cemetery and saying you see no proof of dead bodies is quite hilarious to question Krege report.He claimed to use instruments not just observed the landscape.
partisan72 1 month ago
@partisan72 Krege was never there so how could he have used instruments. The difference between the two is that I actually visited this cemetery whereas Krege did not bother. The first burden of proof is on Krege to show that he was at Treblinka and explain why there is no record of this alleged visit, how he got into Poland without a stamp in his passport, why there is no record of him travelling there, how the equipment got there.....
alanheath 2 weeks ago
@alanheath l don't get why would he claim about those tests being done yet never even visited the spot.l don't say it's impossible but it seems pretty strange to me.Revealing that he made it all up would cast a stain to the whole revisionism itself l guess.Independent commission may have easily proven or denied his claims.l'm not sure if he would take such a childish risk by telling such a hardcore lie which anyone can put to the test.l'd wish to see you're right anyway.
partisan72 2 weeks ago
@partisan72 I get perfectly well why Krege made this story up - to cast doubt. He did make it up - he was never there - that is a fact. And if you do not believe me, why not ask him directly, also ask him to prove it to you. Something simple like a stamp in his passport showing that he was in Poland - but he has not even got that!
alanheath 2 weeks ago 2
@alanheath Alan, have you seen the new report by Caroline Sturdy-Colls? she has researched the site and carried out ground penetrating radar surveys with permission from the authorities...She has found evidence of ground disturbance/burial pits, and foundations for buildings which tally up with documented evidence of the gas chambers etc...the report is on BBC radio 4 at 8PM tonight. More info and publications to follow.
bhm1712 1 week ago
@bhm1712 I heard about it but will look it up now! In any case bone fragments can be found at Treblinka but in nowhere near the quantities like used to be found at Belzec (where they littered the ground) and at Sobibór.
This will not make any difference to the denier liars. They will just claim that the survey did not take place, or that it is planted evidence, or that Caroline was tortured, or that maybe she killed some people and it is their bones or something equally ridiculous.
alanheath 1 week ago
ALLAN HEATH IS A COCK......LOL
fuckystoat1 3 months ago
@fuckystoat1 I think I will leave this stupid comment. The mental level of a neo Nazi!
alanheath 3 months ago
Wait a minute, have you conducted the same ground analysis tests that Krege did? Again you are not comparing like with like if you did not. May I suggest had you, you might have found interrupted soil patterns and bones and ashes.
Compare like with like.
lrishNationalist 5 months ago
@lrishNationalist Yes, I am comparing like with like. And I went one step further. I have been to Treblinka many times. Krege never once went there. His alleged GPR tests are a hoax. He was never there. And if you claim otherwise tell me the alleged date of his visit because there is no record of it anywhere else.
alanheath 5 months ago
@alanheath
How are you comparing like with like. Let's go along with the argument he was not there. You would still have to produce a proper GPR analysis, I mean why not, if people are so sure that Treblinka was and has scientific verifiable results. Then have someone go and make a video, showing they are in Treblinka, showing possibly a local newspaper and do the analyses.
Wouldn't that be the objective way to end the debate, rather than saying your point and others using the law?
lrishNationalist 5 months ago
@lrishNationalist You are right and I am wrong. I am not comparing like with like. Krege never went to Treblinka whereas I did and I also went to this graveyard.
If you want to do an analysis then you are free to do so.
It won't stop the denier liars though. The mass graves at Belzec were clearly documented, denier liars could attend the digs if they so wished but they did not. Nonetheless these nutters continue to argue that there was no killings in Belzec.
alanheath 5 months ago
@alanheath
How do you know the man was not at Treblinka? are those not photos of the concrete or stone boulders sticking out of the ground- are they of Treblinka?
2ndly on a purely again objective and non-personal line of inquiry- what I said remains fully true. You set out to compare a situation where a man found no physical geographic evidence, but instead of saying and proving he was not in Treblinka, you do take on board his whole scientific experiment.
contd.
lrishNationalist 4 months ago
@alanheath
And it is because you yourself take on that issue, of how one cannot see any evidence of remains, then THAT is what we are talking about here. So I am taking to task, precisely what YOU are taking to task- the Krege REPORT, not Krege the man.
So again you have just by-passed what I have said, and are not comparing like with like. But in the 1st instance, you would have had to use the same equipment and do a proper GPR analysis and sediment analysis to fully make any comment
contd.
lrishNationalist 4 months ago
@alanheath
...any comment concerning the graveyard comparison. You surely can admit that what I am getting at, is your graveyard comparison talk and analysis does not compare to any GPR and sediment analysis. That is the whole point, so your video with the graveyard comments is moot. Do you not understand what I am getting at, just with that issue alone?
Regardless of whether Krege was there or not. (that really is not what I am talking about, and doesn't come into it)
lrishNationalist 4 months ago
@alanheath
Perhaps if you focused more on your argument of him not being there at all, and showing your evidences for that being the case, it is far more logical and solid. But from my point of view then on that, you would have to say, well that is what you say, and the man says different.
Do we have evidence he was not there? Isn't it said he was there in Oct 1999. Remember, liars and fakes on both sides of the argument damage both sides of their respective arguments.
contd.
lrishNationalist 4 months ago
@alanheath
@alanheath
"If you want to do an analysis then you are free to do so."
Are you saying you are not prepared to do a full GPR and other tests on Treblinka to show up a person you believe is a fake?
"Krege never went to Treblinka whereas I did and I also went to this graveyard."
Surely then you are primarily well-placed to do these sort of tests, knowing the people and the place. If I was in your position and trying to defend your position from people you say are liars-
contd.
lrishNationalist 4 months ago
@alanheath
then why not go ahead and conduct those tests? What have you to lose, seems like a full fool proof way of shutting down this krege debate fully once and for all, with no holes. So why not?
lrishNationalist 4 months ago
@lrishNationalist I don't have the financial resources and apart from that why? It is a bit like going around doing DNA tests on the population of Dublin to find out if they are Irish or not.
Krege has been shown to be a liar - and denier liars would only come up with some other nutty conspiracy theory. We are dealing here with hate not facts.
Feel free to do the tests though if you wish.
alanheath 4 months ago 6
@lrishNationalist I will tell you what I will do. You put the funds to do the tests and I will do them. Can't say fairer than that.
alanheath 2 weeks ago
Do they bury 1000s of bodies together in a cemetary. 1000s of bodies would deposit as a deinite layer in the soil substratum. Individual or even a few bodies buried together may not do so, they are diffused and carried around by earthworms etc.
But 1000s of bodies burnt and ashen, will definitely show up as a layer different to the original and surrounding earth layers. Please compare like with like.
lrishNationalist 5 months ago
@lrishNationalist You don't have to dig very deep to find burnt earth at Treblinka. Krege would not know because he has never been there.
alanheath 5 months ago
@alanheath
How do you know he was never there?
lrishNationalist 5 months ago
@alanheath
Who says so?
lrishNationalist 4 months ago
This si no proof. We don't know if he has the machine turned or any computer display could be from memory.
You need authentication.
Sorry try again.
tannaberton 9 months ago
@tannaberton Krege was never at Treblinka - there is zero evidence of him being there. It is just another denier liar hoax.
alanheath 9 months ago
@tannaberton
Krege lives in parallel universe!! we want to his so called "evidence" ! where are they??
angora34 7 months ago
@angora34 You won't see anything because it does not exist. I cannot even find a date for this alleged visit. There is no record of it anywhere. There would be a paper and eye witness trail - as there is for the 750k victims. Krege was never there - he is a liar.
alanheath 7 months ago 10
Alan, I have been watching all your video's and reading the comment's etc.
I have a question;Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted that the 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union. Is this true,or Why did it have to be rebuilt, and what other purpose was it used for, lastly any book you would recomend on this?
Laila6990 11 months ago
@Laila6990 This is not true and it is perfectly typical of the denier liar modus operandi. This building changed use several times and was rebuilt during the war. When the large gas chambers were built it was no longer required to kill people and was used for other purposes. What you can see today is an attempt in 1948 to show what it looked like when it was a gas chamber and there is a sign next to it clearly indicating so (which is on one of my films).
alanheath 11 months ago
Alan you said below that "deniers can make a fortune by selling racist literature.The real industry is the neo Nazi denial industry." and that you have never made a penny, infact it costs you money.
so Will you be keeping the proceeds from your forthcoming book or will you be donating them to the Shaoh foundation?
Also, I was wondering about your Holocaust lectures or where the 200 Euros you charge for each camp tour goes,
do you pocket that money too?
Laila6990 1 year ago
@Laila6990 I did not know that I had a forthcoming book. I have never charged for lectures on the holocaust and I have rarely even received my expenses.
Do you work for nothing too?
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath Oh, I thought I read some where about a book on Chelnmo, Anyway you don't seem like the sort of chap who would try to make money from the Holocaust etc..and knowing your strong feelings on the subject I am really surprised to see you with David Irving. Some say he certainly fits the holocaust denier, neo-Nazi, as well as racsist label etc.. plus, this guy came to Toronto to help defend Ernst Zundel!
I just find this strange.
Laila6990 1 year ago
@Laila6990 I spend a great deal of my money on bringing out these videos and educating people into Nazi crimes. In these circumstances I am sure you won't mind making a small contribution. It does not have to be cash, you could send me petrol vouchers or internet access vouchers which can be purchased internationally. Alternatively it could be a voucher to get new equipment. In view of your comments about what I do with my money, I am sure you will contribute in the interests of education.
alanheath 11 months ago
Pretty well sums it up, Alan. There are no depths these people will not plumb to 'prove' their version of events, and the Adelaide Institute are responsible for some of the most preposterous claims about the Holocaust we are ever likely to hear. It's like a breath of fresh air watching your videos. Thank you, Sir.
MSM4U2POM 1 year ago 6
@MSM4U2POM Thank you! One wonders are these people so full of hatred that they cannot be bothered to check the nonsense put out by the Adelaide Institute or is it that they are totally gullible.
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath
Quite.
"The sleep of reason breeds monsters".
- Francesco di Goya
MSM4U2POM 1 year ago
@alanheath after reading all of the comments in this video I've come to conclusion that you are some what stupid or playing ignorant.
You keep ignoring dates given yet even if exact dates and clock times were to given to you, you wouldnt be able to do anything with them. So obvious conclusion is that the constant shouting of date time is just strawman trying to dismiss the actual fact that we have VIDEO him being on the memorial site.
Part 1
baelthedemon 11 months ago
Part 2
Instead you keep saying that the video is fake while not showing how it could have been faked? Did he insert himself to that memorial site by bluesreen?!? That sounds like foliohat theory to me and can be disproven by any video expert. I've done video editing my whole life and I can say it's not fake. The editing of that video of corse is questionable and should be questioned. Also the results should be questioned but questiong was he there is a stupid and childish.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
Part 3
Whatever there was actual testing being done or not, is another question, that this video can not answer.
The test result are also not anyway proven by the video and should be questioned.
It's very unscientific of you to attack the date of the alleged visit when you could try to disprove the actual test by actually requiring the results. If you were actual scientist or historian you would seek answers by doing research. Try asking permission to do soil experiments and sample the site.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
Part 4
I mean, it would end the debate once and for all. You would be millionair and you probably would get free citizenship from Israel for your great accomplishments.
Truth is you wont get permission to do any real research because jewish lobby will cruxify you from your balls. I dont think there is anything wrong with wanting answers but apparently there are people who do.
Why is it that it's the conspiracy nuts who sound more scientific then the people who try to support the "old" story.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
Part 5
There is nothing more sad then grown man trying to hold on a dead position. If you cant give names or dates of the documents you claim are in Auchwitz archives then you shouldnt be jumping on your "give the date of Kregs visit" argument.
A grown man would acknowledge that he doesnt know or he cant show exact date. Unlike your opponent in this argument, you keep changing the subject. Heretharbemonsters clearly tells you how it is. The month and that he doesnt know which 31 days it is.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
Part 6
So why cant you just say you dont have any documental evidence, when you clearly dont have it? Auchwitz archives is pritty besific place so you must know what the document number or name is?
It seems you dont have any evidence. A honest man would acknowledge this and say I made a mistake. But it seems your ego is too huge to come to the realization that maybe im wrong. Maybe I dont have enough evidence to disprove my opponent.
This is why there should be investigation!
baelthedemon 11 months ago
Part 7
So what conclusions can we come too?
1. Shouting for exact date doesnt disprove claim made by a video where we can locate the place, and place person in that location in the video.
2. What ever a video claims can and should be questioned, and should not be taken as a fact without given results and validity of the made experiment.
3. Made claims are not disproven by asking exact date when video proves that person in question was in that place.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
Part 8
4. Popular oppinion does not equal fact or that given oppinion is right.
5. Who ever makes a extraordinary claim has to give evidence. Example Does god exist? Prove it. If I claim my nabour killed Kennedy, then I need to prove my claim to be true, for me to be taken seriously.
6. Saying 713555 people died in 5 months in 4x6x10 meter space is extraordinary claim and should be proven to be true, if taken seriously.
7. Asking questions doesnt make anyone anti-semite or nazi.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
Part 9
Ohh and btw
Doing videos of bad humour and no sense of good sarcasm while playing the popular oppinion card shows how schoolyard bullying tactics dont actually work on anyone with any sense of understanding on given subject.
You dont get points by getting people to laugh at your points and making your opponents side look bad,
It just shows your lack of intellectual honesty. I know, I will be attacked by my english, but it doesnt matter,because truth is not an oppinion poll.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon Truth is not an opinion poll. And as for your English, if you are a non native speaker then your English is really excellent - unlike your arguments which are basically ignorant whilst your tone is arrogant.
alanheath 11 months ago
@baelthedemon 4. I agree
5. I don't believe that God exists as there is no evidence. If your nabour (sic) killed Kennedy then offer evidence.
6. This is a Nazi record.
7. I agree.
alanheath 11 months ago
5. EXACTLY! So apply that same reason to the extraordinary claim of Gas chambers you should demand evidence before believing it. Just like you should ask evidence of my nabour who is said to have killed Kennedy or any UFO nut job.
6. EXACTLY!!! so Why do you believe those records that clearly are impossible. When mathematicly calculated! So if we can clearly disprove the validity of the actual numbers then why do you use it as evidence if it's wrong? I mean it's impossible. Why use?!?
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon There is plenty of evidence for gas chambers only you won't accept it. Yet you accept fairy stories like Krege's visit. Amazing.
I know of no records that are mathematically impossible. I accept that Krege's visit is mathematically possible - only it is not backed up with any evidence.
Before wasting my time with any more of your stupidity, just give me the date of this alleged visit. That is all - one date. VERY EASY. Ask Krege yourself when he was there.
alanheath 11 months ago
@baelthedemon Wrong again.
1. There is no date because it does not exist. Therefore he was never there. In ten years and several letters he could have supplied me with one date. Very easy but no.
2. I agree.
3. Claims are disproven. If a person was not at the place that he claimed to be then anything he claimed to have seen or done there is clearly not worth bothering with.
alanheath 11 months ago
1.There is a freaking video of the claimed visit so clearly your reputal in the first conclusion is wrong.
3.You seem to have a disconnect in your brain. The video clearly proves that he was there. What time it happend is another question and the validity of his testing is another question so him being there is not.
It's like saying Alexander the Great didnt exist because we dont know the exact date he was live & died.
Or Genghis Khan. The actual date doesnt disprove it. Can you grasph that?
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon There is a video but there is no evidence to back it up. Why is there no record of Krege's visit anywhere else? Simple answer - because he was never there. If he were there then provide evidence. You can't because he was not.
I believe Krege's video as much as I believe Star Wars. I don't think that was filmed en situ either.
alanheath 11 months ago
@baelthedemon There has constant research by many people. You could do it. In fact, why don't you. You are probably the one with such a huge ego. You do it. Now.
alanheath 11 months ago
unfortunatly the whole documentation thing is that I have to rely on other peoples word because I'm not able to go to Poland but if you clearly can then you as a great humanbeing can show once and for all as you seem to know that these documents clearly exist then you could provide them take scans and uplaod it to internet so finally this debate can be crushed.
I mean you are done research on camps before and there for widelly known in the circles and are given access to all documents
baelthedemon 11 months ago
Again as being nobody I dont think it would be good for me to buy ariplane tickets or drive to Poland just to get "No can do" theartment from the Auchwitz personels.
But as widely known historian and WW2 researcher you can squash this debate by coming up with the evidence as you clearly know where they are. I mean David Irvin says there is no documentation that shows final solution or prove gas chambers.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon I don't think David Irving says anything of the sort but as he would readily admit himself he is no expert.
alanheath 11 months ago
@baelthedemon You claim to be living in the Czech Republic but you cannot be bothered to go to Poland which is just over the border. It is the neighbouring country. To your north.
alanheath 11 months ago
@alanheath I dont live in Czech... The name Bael The Demon should ring a bell to any Metal fan and Czech is one of the best countries that produce good metal music with Norway.
and no I dont live anywhere near Poland.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon The sentence structure was not that of a Czech native speaker although your English is much better than some native speakers who make comments - not just spelling but also structure.
I do not know who Bael the Demon is. I like the 'lighter' forms of metal from the 1980s although that probably is not metal any more (possibly).
alanheath 11 months ago
@baelthedemon The thing is I can give dates and anyone can go into the Auschwitz archive to check. Unlike Krege. I can give you the exact date this film here was made - and for my visits. The reason for this is that there is evidence which can be corroborated. Receipts, weather conditions, other places I was at.
This is called evidence and it would stand up in court. Unlike your fairy stories.
alanheath 11 months ago
@alanheath then by all means do so.
Give all your evidence and I'll check it like every other person that is intrested in this subject.
You should upload all the evidence and documentation of your research like videos and photos to web so everyone can see it not just some email because I think this should be public.
Im waiting.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon There is a stack of it on this site. You can start there. It is available for everyone.
alanheath 11 months ago
@baelthedemon Now we see your point. According to you no research is being done because as you say 'jewish lobby will cruxify you from your balls'. However I was present at the archeological digs in three other death camps - I have even film of this site. I have questioned many eye witnesses - film on this site.
You have something against answers and I can see from this response what it is. Your conspiracy theory about the alleged 'jewish lobby' (sic).
alanheath 11 months ago
@alanheath Again eyewitnesses are not anyway reliable or every nutjob that saw virgin marry would be taken seriously. So you claim to have done research on camps then I request to see your results and evidence of your research. I mean Im open to new evidence and ready to drop my claims if I'm being proven wrong and the given evidence can take the threatment of scientific processes.
Jewish lobby is real and not a debateble question. I mean USA keeps vetoing UN resolutions every year for Israel.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon It is not unscientific at all. I have asked a simple question which should be VERY EASY to answer. The simplest question. When was Krege there? What date? Very, very easy. Could not be easier. Only there is no answer for a very simple reason. He was never there. Therefore as he was never there I see little point in questioning 'results' he found on a test site where he was not.
alanheath 11 months ago
@alanheath But the video proves he was there.
The time of the date is not going to disprove that he was not there.
So you are not actually arguing against him being there but arguing against what time he was not there.
If you actually did want to disprove he wasnt there then you would actually try to attack the video that shows he was there but again that's weak argument.
If I was you I would just abandon the argument all together and question the actual results or test done by Krege.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon If he were there how come there are no eye witnesses and no paper trail? Or even a stamp in his passport? Or someone else's passport that looks like him? Nothing.
I can't see the point of attacking the test results of a non existent test.
alanheath 11 months ago
@baelthedemon I don't know how to fake videos but there are computer programmes that do it. Film directors do it all the time. I presume that when in Quo Vadis they burnt Rome they did not actually go and do it.
alanheath 11 months ago
@alanheath like I said it's called bluescreen or 3d imaging..
But non of them are seen here. Or you could have done it the old fashion way and make sets but no it's clear that it's not a set. It can be easily proven if someone goes to the site and takes video of the same places and show spots that are equal in both videos or lack of equal stops.
What I can thou agree is that maybe the actual testing was fake or the results can be anything but the video as we see it is real.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon Spots being threes or rocks or roadsigns buildings or anything that is seen on the video.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon How can the video be real if he was not there. Just answer this one simple, very simple, easy - even for a denier liar. When was he there? Give me a date. Ask him.
You won't do it because it never happened. He was never there.
alanheath 11 months ago
@alanheath but my friend the video shows he was there. The question you are asking is when and he has given date 1999 October if I remember correctly. That's the most accurate date we have.
Video shows him clearly being there. I dont know why he would want to lie about the time or not be so besific about the time. Now I know he is from Australia and because in Australia holocaust denial is crime. It might be that he is facing Jail time if he the proceeds to go foward more.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon This is a nonsense argument that is frequently used. If it is not a crime to say he was in Poland in October 1999 then it won't be to say the date of this alleged visit.
alanheath 11 months ago
@baelthedemon There are huge amounts of video, photographic, eye witness and other evidence about death camps yet the denier liars claim all of this is fake and the holocaust did not happen. I have asked for a date of this alleged visit - for which thery are no records - not photographic, eye witness or recorded anywhere (receipts, passport stamps etc.) Nothing. Therefore I conclude Krege was never there.
Explain to me why there is no record if Krege were there?
alanheath 11 months ago
@alanheath Non of the photographic evidence is done by natzis..
So all of them are done by allies and the bodies in the piles are not evidence of mass murder only that people died. The most logical conclusion is death by disease and hunger and lost of immune to fight disease because bad hygenie and non existing food.
Video evidence again is like photographic evidence and done after the war and there for doesnt actually prove anything.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon There for it's only eyewithness evidence and there are clear signs of lying from the part of eyewithnesses. That doesnt mean all eyewithnesses are lying but it still are just peoples own accounts and there for not officiant in any evidence. If it was just eyewithnesses then for sure 911 would be considered inside job, because eyewitnesses that there were independent explotions in the buildings.
Also there are people who claim to have shot Kennedy or UFO accounts.
baelthedemon 11 months ago
There are people who claim jesus appeared to them but do we believe?
So eyewitness is not officiant enough to be taken seriously. Expecially when we have lack of evidence like graves or actual forensic evidence like zyclon b that was not found on the walls.
yet the believers of holocaust come back to the same argument to go to actual sites and see the gas chambers yourself but yet the gas chambers are not orginal and no evidence of the orginal can be found.
So again we are left with eyewitness
baelthedemon 11 months ago
@baelthedemon Zyklon was not used at Treblinka so it will not be found. It was used at Auschwitz and it was found in the walls.
Not only do we have perpetrator as well as victim eye witnesses we have a paper trail of deportations, orders and others. We also have bystander evidence of ghettos etc.
You denier liars refuse to accept this but you do accept a fictious visit by Krege for which there is ZERO evidence - not even eye witnesses, despite the time Krege claimed he was there.
alanheath 11 months ago
It was alleged that the Germans gassed Jews at Dachau, Buchenwald and other concentration camps in Germany. That part of the extermination story was abandoned more than 20 years ago."Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal has acknowledged that "there were no extermination camps on German soil''. In 1989, the Auschwitz State Museum lowered the official death toll to 1.1 million from 4 million. Is this a denial of 2.5 million deaths, Does this make them or Wiesenthal ''Denier Liars" ?
Laila6990 1 year ago
@Laila6990 Of course it does not and this is just the sort of twisted logic used by denier liars. However as always with denier liars, facts are not the strong point. Auschwitz was not in German territory on 1 September 1939 but it was annexed to the Reich later. Wesenthal knew this and said so. There is no official death toll at Auschwitz - just estimates - but the overall amount of deaths in the holocaust has never changed.
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath Sorry, but I don't understand the arithmetic of subtracting 2.5 million and keeping the same total? and please don't take that as a denial of the atrocites that were comitted. Anyway, I would just like to know why the evidence presented for gassings at the six camps in Poland still stands but which is not qualitatively different than the evidence for gassings at Dachau or Buchenwald etc ? With all due respect I would like to have an adult conversation sans the "denier liar" rant.
Laila6990 1 year ago
@Laila6990 The denier liar rant is the adult conversation because that is precisely what it comes to - the point of denial is not doubt but racism.
Who said (names now please) that 4m Jews were killed at Auschwitz? Was this a reliable source or did some denier liar invent it?
The same applies to Dachau and Buchenwald? What sources? How many people killed etc.... I have never once heard of any claims that mass transports were taken there to be gassed.
alanheath 1 year ago
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@alanheath Calm down man, The research department of the Auschwitz Museum estimated that the total number of people killed at the Auschwitz group of camps was about 1.1 million, of whom about 85-90% were Jews. At Auschwitz they displayed a figure of 4 million killed until it was revised, was it not the Communist Polish and Soviet authorities who maintained a figure of 4 million? were they not reliable?
is Raul Hilberg reliable ?
Laila6990 1 year ago
Ground Penetrating Radar would show the existence of buildings, pits, fences - this is what they were looking for, not "bodies". Victims were supposedly tells us they were burnt in great pits, so then, it was the pits themselves (as WELL as the rest of the camp) that was scanned for - nothing was found..
You film a local cemetery to disprove thier findings? How about you put a video with GPR scans/a link to to the scientific investiations you speak of, this will prove you right..
andy7666 1 year ago
@andy7666 Krege never went to Treblinka. There is no record of him even being in Poland, no record from the site, no permission given for the scan, no record of GPR being brought in or out of Poland, no record of hiring such material.... nothing. In short it is a lie. Krege was never there.
On the other hand there are plenty of records of the mass murders that took place in Treblinka. Only denier liars prefer the fairy stories of the racists.
alanheath 1 year ago
@andy7666
I emailed Krege about his "survey", several times. He is available through Frederick Toben and/or the Adelaide Institute. He said something on the "survey" would appear in the Barnes Review....but it never did. He was also unwilling to tell who his data was scrutinised by and where it can be found.
How many times have YOU contacted him about a "survey" he claims disproves the Treblinka narrative?
timpovikings 1 year ago
@timpovikings This is a very good question. Denier liars could contact Krege - a fellow denier liar - and try to get their story sorted out. But they don't.
There are so many absurdities about what denier liars have claimed - no trees on the site, no disturbances since the Ice Age etc. when any casual tourist can see that is not the case.
So lets get to the real issue about what these denier liars want to say. It is to cast doubt to justify their racism - nothing more.
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath
The other thing I find intriguing and totally self-defeating, is that Krege says the ground is undisturbed.
So the pits and buildings we know were there, in close proximity to known structures, as appear in the excavator photos, clearly either WEREN'T there - or he wasn't scanning in the right place. But neither Krege nor the poisoned dwarf, Toben, answer email on Treblinka now. The Adelaide Institute, in fact, has nothing to say on the survey!
Very odd.
timpovikings 1 year ago
@timpovikings I don't think there is any point in these racists making any more comments on it From their point of view they have suceeded in what they set out to do which is to provide more fiction for denier liars to claim as 'proof'. If Krege or Toben made any more comments on it, it could only be self defeating.
Anyone can see how much the land has been disturbed - how they missed that is beyond my comprehension - as is how exceptionally gullible denier liars can accept this as evidence.
alanheath 1 year ago
Hi Alan I read about Krege Traveled on his brothers passport i believe
Some of the comments on Holocaust films are to say the least Bizarre
Going from one end of the spectrum to the other. That one mass murder of peoples justifies another and another Example from what I have read that The Holodomor is one period to justify The Holocaust. Alan December 8th first gassing at Chelmno I believe Again Thank You for all your great films . MY favorite Historian
susie101fm 1 year ago
@susie101fm Hello Susie - thanks for your nice comment!! If Krege travelled on his brother's passport - and I heard this post factum claim too - then there would be a stamp in his brother's passport. There would also be a record of his visit - or how he obtained the equipment. But there are no answers. Therefore one can only assume that he was never there!
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath Alan well yes a invisible visit i also saw your name in what i read which i must admit kept me reading. I read that Krege has not only failed to publish his findings but also has failed to respond to questions to the actual dates of his alleged visits to Treblinka and Bełżec nor challenges to visit the site with qualified scientists. not my words wish I just knew this as you do I am jealous
I did read much on Archaeological Investigations at Bełżec
Susie
susie101fm 1 year ago
@susie101fm Krege never responded to me but he did respond to one of my correspondents but shut up as soon as he started to ask embarrassing questions about this alleged visit. One idiot commentator (I deleted the comment) claimed that what did it matter if there were no paper trail? You see the denier liar mentality. They expect the dead to return with proof they were murdered but accept the word of any neo-Nazi liar.
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath Does not matter? scientific studies do not matter Yes i have seen the mentality beyond words like you said and i was like What? The Tunnel from Chelmno to the United States and other places. No proof of gas chambers Zyklon B used for lice on mattress SS tourtured into saying they saw this such as Hans Munch and Franz Suchomel to name just two. Jews did this to make sure that Israel became The Jewish State mind boggling Some think no one died I read that. too.
Sue
susie101fm 1 year ago
@susie101fm At the end of the day, there is only one reason for holocaust denial and that is racism. Denier liars need to lie to change the truth but of course for them the ends justify the means. That is the sick world of the racist.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@alanheath3 Yes it is. I had posted on one film that i felt it was not that it happened or did not happen but who the main target was 11 million Jews. Alan how many millions died who were not Jews? Are they forgotten by these Racists? Maybe these people they just hate period.
Thank You so much for your reply
Susie
susie101fm 1 year ago
@susie101fm The only explanation that I can see for hate is psychological.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@alanheath3 behavior mind and emotions
Alan many need to check into their nearset help center for a reality check up
susie101fm 1 year ago
@alanheath3 your stupidity is really something else.
PeterGratrex 1 year ago
@PeterGratrex In what way am I stupid? For exposing a bare faced denier liar falsehood?
alanheath3 1 year ago
Ah, I think that the Australians actually looked BENEATH the ground surface, took core samples and sonic equipment and it showed that the ground was never disturbed, as would occur if almost a million people had been buried there.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
"This looks more like a scan of sedimentary deposits on the ocean floor" That's what an archaeologist remarked recently when asked to have a look at the only image ever released in relation with Krege's claims about doing a GPR study. She also said that the image looks like an unprocessed scan while noting that for a meaningful analysis, GPR data needs to be be processed.
In your opinion, does Krege's image show a vertical or horizontal cross section?
Has Krege ever shown a 3D representation?
bluespaceoddity 1 year ago 11
@bluespaceoddity It could be that Krege picked up some scan somewhere and then claimed it was Treblinka!
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath That looks like a very reasonable explanation at this point.
bluespaceoddity 1 year ago
@bluespaceoddity I cannot see any other. What none of these neo Nazis can stand is the fact that someone checked Krege's story and it does not add up. They were caught lying.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@JohnnyRock2000 They did no such thing. There is no evidence whatsoever that Krege was ever there. He cannot even produce a date for the alleged visit, a stamp in his passport, say which airline he used.... nothing. There is no record of him ever being there. Krege is just a lying fraud.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@JohnnyRock2000 So when did this alleged visit take place? How come there is record of this alleged visit whatsoever. How come he missed a huge quarry?
alanheath 1 year ago
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Where is your evidence?
icemanfede 1 year ago
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Fuck the Holohoax profiteers! You too Spielberg! They cash in on death like MAGGOTS! Anything to satisfy their sick jewish sense of entitlement!!
Where is the video on The 250,000 women and children we roasted in the Dresden fires?
WWII was a war to empower Swiss bankers, most of whom were Jewish..
Rid society of the LEECHES!
ChrissyMontagne 1 year ago
stop being silly and stop using the pitty accusations of antisemite its old, Here is a bit of news for you to dwell on a piece of News in todays papers NOV 9,2010, show you how every thing is out of sync starting the end of WW2. an ecample of how integrity dealing with the hole issue,"Individuals participated in fraud against the Claims Conference, which issues payments to Jewish Holocaust victims, by falsifying documents attesting to eligibility for Holocaust-related compensation" go figure!
cloudchaser07 1 year ago
@cloudchaser07 I fail to see what fraud by some has to do with this. You, in your racist mind can make a link though.
alanheath 1 year ago
even if the bodies have been removed, evidence in soil contents should show in a simple lab test. I dont like not knowing the truth but well never know.
cloudchaser07 1 year ago
@cloudchaser07 What do you mean you don't know the truth? The whole point of this denier liar racist fantasy is to cast doubt. If you don't know the truth it is because you don't want to and have been taken in by these peddlers of Nazi fairy tales.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@alanheath3 My Father was a detictive so maybe i guess im used to see conclusive evidence, im not questioning the holocaust, im questioning the number and why the other 60 million who died seem not to matter as much!
cloudchaser07 1 year ago
@cloudchaser07 If your father was a detective, then try looking at the evidence which is utterly conclusive. It is only the denier liars who seem to think that their base racism is 'evidence' of something not happening.
As for the other 50m victims of the war not mattering as much - that is your opinion which is not shared by many people.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@alanheath3 you just lowered the number by ten million my friend. the estimated number of humans parishing in WW2 is between 60 and 70 million. why would you say the 60 million dont matter to me when im the one who sarcastically mentioned it to begin with,????!!!! seriously. seems that you canceling 10 million like that shows your concern for ythe 6 million jews and not the rest of the european christians.
cloudchaser07 1 year ago
@cloudchaser07 The most commonly given estimates are just over 50m - although 60m and even 70m has been quoted but much more rarely.
The problem is in how deaths are calculated and above all what are the real figures for China and the USSR.
As for your ridiculous and unproven claim that Jews matter more than others - as I said earlier, that is your opinion - one which I do not share.
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath Im going of what i see here and all over the media, merely questioning the number of the dead Jews can point the finger of antisemitism on a person, and the number is firm at 6 million. But then we can estimate the number of the dead from other nations by a difference of as you mentioned of 20 million , then ill start questioning the numbers.
cloudchaser07 1 year ago
@cloudchaser07 You are deliberately trying to quote me out of context. As I clearly write - the difficulties are with the figures for China and USSR and how deaths are calculated. In Europe we can be much more accurate. The next thing is that the number is not firm at six million.
What basically you are probably trying to do is to find excuses for your own racism.
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath Just what i thought an was hoping not to happen , the racism and antisemitic card that you play. go figure, a simple 'questioning the numbers' can put you someone in the dog house, next thing yiou are going to call me a Nazi.
cloudchaser07 1 year ago
@cloudchaser07 Not at all. You are not questioning the numbers based on logical argument or evidence but based on your own racism (which you won't admit of course as many of your best friends etc etc..). I have enough experience with these matters to be able to understand the difference.
alanheath 1 year ago
So because Krege debunks a historical lie, that makes him a neo-Nazis? That is a most pathetic form of the strawman fallacy. I take it the JEWS who disproved the soap and lampshade story must also be neo-Nazis also XD
FightForFreedomXV 1 year ago
@FightForFreedomXV What lie did Krege debunk? He was never at Treblinka. Krege did a hoax and morons fall for it.
alanheath3 1 year ago
it’s like someone claiming that they could bury every single man, women and child in Montana - in an area the size of a football field - without leaving an iota of physical evidence! How can anyone in their right mind believe this childish notion that you can make something magically disappear by simply covering it with dirt?
TheRedcatchop 1 year ago
@TheRedcatchop
I see you're quoting Weber and Allen again - except without the quotes or telling anyone where you're hijacking your own intellect from.
The narrative makes clear what was done with these graves when the decision was made to terminate activity there. The graves were opened and the contents burned, as supervised by SS-Scharführer Floss. The Polish Commission found clear evidence or remains over a wide area and is the reason locals searched for loot there.
timpovikings 1 year ago
@timpovikings The locals searched for loot there - but Krege did not bother going. He just invented a story about being there and the racist filth just swallow it all.
If Krege had been there - he would have had a date for his alleged visit but no-one has ever found a date for it.. Strange isn't it?
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath
I did some work for Robin Oneil's survey of Belzec. I am one of a handful of people he sent his video diary to, along with copious notes and the bulk of his dissertation. While excavating Belzec, large quantities of bones were discovered and bagged for later disposal.
Come the end of the survey, these bones were taken well outside the camp area for burial in secrecy, where they unearthed yet more graves!
timpovikings 1 year ago
@timpovikings I have not seen the video but I did meet Robin at Belzec in 2004. Bones used to litter the place there - all over the place.
The work carried out in 2002 - 2004 showed that the camp boundaries were much bigger than believed!
I have only got photographs - this was before I started filming things!
alanheath 1 year ago
@TheRedcatchop
You don't even have a single denial of sinister goings-on at Treblinka. Not a bean.
This is why you keep changing account names, mate.
You want to sound like you're a plural.
timpovikings 1 year ago
@timpovikings Is this another twit with tens of accounts? How do they remember all the passwords?
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath
While at Belzec, Oneil was asked to take his team to excavate a site where partisans were known to have been buried after execution. Leaving their excavations for two days, they returned to find all their test pits had been entered and the side walls probed and dug into for loot, by the locals.
Oneil interviewed many of the older inhabitants on camera. No non-sinister accounts.
Red is the bog standard denier; knows little, talks rubbish, hates research.
End of!
timpovikings 1 year ago 3
@timpovikings I knew nothing about this! I photographed a place where locals were massacred in October 1942 when Ukrainian guards who had burnt a stable killing Hering's horse claimed it was partisans. I went to this site in the summer of 2004. It is around 8km from Bełżec. They selected around 40 villagers to be murdered. I interviewed the son of one of the victims who was sent home. In all probability the guards had got drunk, fallen asleep and a cigarette burnt the stable down.
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath
Oneil has a very thorough method. Much of his video diary is taken up with pieces to camera on his conversations with locals and the stories which never get recorded.
I merely got in touch to ask about his experiences and later he asked me to write the timeline for the video, before it was submitted to the YV archives. He sent a parcel of his original notes and maps and is still available through the Uni of London, as far as I know.
timpovikings 1 year ago 7
@timpovikings Excellent - I would like to see it!
There are still plenty of people who remember. I spoke to peasants at Treblinka last month who described what they saw.
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath
The Reds of this world can't seem to grasp that it's not all about the internet and Stormfront! These idiots don't even have a basic grasp of the holocaust narrative at any one place, let alone AR.
It's curious. If you listen to the deniers, Fred Leuchter and Ernie Zundel know all the right answers. One lied for a living and never built a gas chamber, the other was selling the world a story about nazi UFOs, hidden under the Antarctic.
Don't stand a chance, do we!?
timpovikings 1 year ago
@timpovikings I did not know the UFO story. Why do they hide under the Antarctic - isn't it a bit cold there?
alanheath 1 year ago
@alanheath Hey alan, I am having a problem with a Holocaust denier on a video here. He keeps asking me where the bodies are at Treblinka. I told him some were burned and others buried, but he keeps saying that 700K could not have been buried. I am familiar with other camps, but I have not really researched Treblinka before, can you give me some insight as to where the bodies are?
RyZombie619 1 year ago 2
@RyZombie619 No problem. I filmed the burial area at Treblinka and as can be seen in that film it is huge. I don't see why 700k bodies could not be buried - in the US they do a lot more every year - and that is not just pulling people out of gas chambers and throwing them in pits. As you can see from the photos two diggers were at work. In real terms it comes to less than 5,000 per day on average with a 500 man crew.
The denier liar's maths don't add up!
Cremations started around Jan 43.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@alanheath3 well he claims that they could not have been burned in crematoriums because there were not any ashes left in the crematoriums? does that make any sense to you?
RyZombie619 1 year ago
@RyZombie619 Makes perfect sense to me. He is a denier liar. Lives in a world of fantasy and delusion. There were no crematoria. So how can any ash be there. On the other hand you can see plenty of scorched sand and earth.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@alanheath3 well thats what I told him. I told him to go UFO hunting as well.
RyZombie619 1 year ago
@RyZombie619 Good idea. The difference between holocaust denial and UFO hunting is that it is theoretically possible that he may find some evidence for the latter.
alanheath3 1 year ago
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AvantimeV6injection 1 year ago
@AvantimeV6injection I don't completely understand you, other than that you are insulting me. In what way am I falsifying history?
alanheath2 1 year ago
@alanheath2 am very very sorry, thaught that you are denier of the truth, thias was making me upset- but i think i had some problems with my poor english, sorry!
I deleted my further comments and i would propose to all neonazis to look Claude Lanzmann "Shoah" documentary which was issued in 1985, they could learn much about the whole theme.regards
AvantimeV6injection 1 year ago
@AvantimeV6injection Alternatively they could speak to Nazis who were actually there. The last commandant of Sobibór was alive comparitively recently and offered to speak to denier liars. To the best of my knowledge no denier liar ever took him up on his offer. There are two or three members of the staff at Auschwitz who made the same offer. Denier liars are not interested in the truth - only their own perverted, racist, conspiracist fantasy world.
alanheath3 1 year ago
@TheRedcatchop There must be very big football fields in Montana. Perhaps that is the reason why the USA can't produce a winning team!
alanheath 1 year ago
Utterly eradicated? How about utter nonsense? It’s understandable when a toddler believes that he’s made himself invisible while playing peek-a-boo by covering his eyes, but how do you explain the insanity of those who believe that a layer of soil can make millions of pounds of evidence magically disappear? To put this incredibly unbelievable story in perspective,
TheRedcatchop 1 year ago
@TheRedcatchop How do the denier liars explain the eye witnesses who are there today? Why don't you go there and talk to them? You won't because you prefer to believe your fairy stories.
alanheath 1 year ago
The Germans, by simply putting a layer of soil over 6 “huge mass graves” containing millions of pounds of bone fragments and tens of millions of teeth, “utterly eradicated” all the evidence of the biggest cemetery in Poland!
TheRedcatchop 1 year ago
Nothing remains? Who in their right mind could believe this nonsensical “magically disappearing bodies / perfect crime” story? Everyone knows that at every crime scene - EVIDENCE IS LEFT BEHIND: “Cremated remains weigh between three and nine pounds.” So in order to believe the absurd Treblinka mass burial claims, you must accept this as gospel,
TheRedcatchop 1 year ago
@TheRedcatchop The weight of cremated remains depends on the extent of the force used to destroy them. And then you have to know where the remains are.
alanheath 1 year ago
@TheRedcatchop
Everyone with a brain, an interest and a little enthusiasm in the subject matter, also knows that evidence was found - and can still be found - at all sites known to have been employed in mass murder. This includes Auschwitz.
Sadly, deniers don't get to dictate what is excavated, GPR-ed and endlessly sifted through, just to satisfy unreasonable standards of personal credibility.
You idiots only focus on what you know will now not occur. Not what is already proven.
timpovikings 1 year ago 4
@timpovikings Lol, you sound like a real expert.. Do you not think archaeological excavations would have been touted almost ENDLESSLY in the press for the last 60 years if there was anything to find? We can find out what a man living in the Ice Age ate, we unearth ancient cultures millenia old, material large & small, yet "we" can't find any solid evidence of the LARGEST EVENT of the last century - the industrial murder of MILLIONS of people? There is still no conclusive proof? Not ONE autopsy?
andy7666 1 year ago
@andy7666
How does archeology reconstitute humans from their ashes, mate?
I can give you dozens of autopsies.
timpovikings 1 year ago
@timpovikings you cant prove shit moron. because there ISNT ANY. i researched this for years for proof and all i ever see is holohoax crybabies telling me its true because they say so and because they seen the "proof" in the pictures. too bad any pictures you may have seen have been taken out of context and used against the national socialists for a ultimate israeli cash cow lie.
infernalpact5 1 year ago
@infernalpact5
Sorry, mate. As long as they teach it and write about it, I don't think Reuters have too much interest in your brand of bullshit.
No autopsies! I found dozens.
Perhaps you were just researching in the wrong creche?
timpovikings 1 year ago
@infernalpact5 BWAHAHAHAhahahahahaha.
Well. . . one thing is for sure. . it's not hard to probe that KREGE STILL HASN'T PRODUCED A REPORT!
Too funny. . . is that all you denialist have to put your faith into??. . Liars like Leuchter, Dreamers like Mattogno, Liberal Arts majors like Fauxrissen??
I mean. . . wow dude. I've got some suweeeeet land between New Orleans and Baton Rouge that you might be interested in!
ski2exs 1 year ago
@andy7666
"Lol, you sound like a real expert"
That IS strange, mate........because you don't.
timpovikings 1 year ago
@andy7666
Define proof.
timpovikings 1 year ago