Hymn at Washington National Cathedral

[Mauser2012]

How simiar are Episcopal, Catholic, and lutheran masses. Im not too happy with the changes in the Catholic mass.

[mkl62]

I am an ELCA Lutheran from South Carolina. This is to all denominations: If Genesis 12:1-9; 15:1-6, 12-18; 22:1-2, 6-14 (any of them) is your Scripture of the Day, this is a good hymn to compliment it.

[mom2cairns]

As a chorister in the oldest parish in Las Vegas, I love all modes of music. The voice is the only instrument made by God.  But to exclude 'praise' forms or 'gospel' is to limit the experience and to invite staleness. I was part of the introduction of liturgical dance in the 60s as well, remembering that the Hebrews danced from their first encouonter with Eloim. I used to poke fun at 'praise' music until it grabbed my soul in Cursillo. Don't count anything out of the worship experience.

[jamesthosbaker]

Let me amend my comment of yesterday. The tune is named "Leoni" because that was the stage name of the 18th century Anglo-Jewish singer / composer Myer Lyon.

[jamesthosbaker]

Kapariz: the tune is derived from a traditional Hebraic melody, "Yigdal Elohim Chai" (which means something like "The living God will grow"). In the Episcopal hymnal, the tune is called "Leoni" for reasons that escape me. Nonetheless, it is one of my favorites.

[keithreed13]

AMEN!

[kapariz44]

What's this tune called? I think it's something like Leone, of some kind of Hebraic background. Can anybody update me?

[f599gtb22]

Nice, but too bad they ordain fags and women.

[kapariz44]

@f599gtb22 The ordination of women has brought new life to the church. Would you rather have brooding, self-absorbed, authoritarian, fiddle-dee-dee bachelor boys - God forbid?

[hop208]

Millions of dollars worth of damage was done to this Cathedral during the earthquake 2 weeks ago on the East Coast.

[TomPauls007]

Heard that organ opened up.  Spine tingling. Has a 64' stop.

Oh, and it is for real: the Chrystal Cathedral is in bankruptcy. Check it out.

[oyapeg]

The music was originally a setting for the Yigdal, a prayer stressing that God is One, and sung at the beginning of morning prayer and the end of evening prayer in synagogues. There are two sets of English words, one Christian and one Jewish.

[901cleo]

I do not think this is an Evangelical or High Church as a hymn.  It was written after a priest in England attended a very moving Jewish service and this melody was chanted. He liked it so much, he made a hymn out of the tune. The cantor was named Leon and he named the tune Leoni after him..

[parpaillotcamisard]

A rather " Evangelical " hymn of the Anglican communion , compared to the " High Church " ones , which are close to the Roman Catholic hymns ...

This reflects the specific and caracteristic diversity of Anglicanism/Episcopalianism .

[UCCSteve]

How DARE we welcome the stranger like Jesus Christ did...that would in fact make us CHRISTIAN! The liberal churches that welcome ALL of God's children are the ones that are growing, and the bigoted churches are dying....as they should! :)

[soccer21928]

@UCCSteve and its not to be unexpected, as Jesus said in the end times men would turn from the faith. he asked if when he returned he would find faith on the earth. and he said men honored Him with their lips but their hearts were far from him. very sad to see whats happening to the episcopal church. great hymn though.

[FaithandTradition]

@UCCSteve I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the Episcopal Church loses an average of about 1,000 members every week, about 50,000 a year. Entire dioceses have broken away from the national church, and trends aren't showing signs of reversing. Things aren't much better for other liberal protestant churches either. More conservative and traditional churches are the ones that are growing.

[brassspitoon]

@FaithandTradition You mean like the bankrupt Chrystal Cathedral of OC, Calif. and the 20 to 30 million lapsed Catholics, and the stagnant growth of the earliest mega-churches whose growth has stalled? But then you have an anti-Episcopal agenda to push don't you, so you see things selectively.

[samc726]

@brassspitoon - I heard that the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, CA is being sold to pay off some $50 million of debt and I guess buy the cathedral, tower of hope, and welcoming center. But the Hour of Power program is still running it's weekly televised program and hopes to recover soon.

[901cleo]

@FaithandTradition

This is just untrue. 

[ms103127]

@FaithandTradition considering that the two largest Episcopal cathedrals in the nation are moderate-to-liberal, I wouldn't place stereotypes where they don't belong, especially when orthodox/conservative denominations have their own problems. :)

[dsindc]

@FaithandTradition How smug !! And what cr_p. This an exerpt from "the Decline & Fall of American Catholicism" by Leon Poddles- please read: " The American Religious Identification Survey has come out. Americans of European descent leave the Catholic Church at about the same rate that Episcopalians leave the Episcopal Church". (continued).

[dsindc]

@FaithandTradition (continued) "Because immigration in Europe is Moslem rather than Catholic, the decline of Catholicism is more apparent there." ------Now, let's take a look at just what this means---

If Americans of European background leave the Roman church in such numbers, they take something the R.C. church thrives on: MONEY. Further, other immigrants who keep the numbers steady increasingly look to other traditions, not just in the U.S. but all over the world. (cont)

[dsindc]

@FaithandTradition I live a stone's throw from St. Matthew's R.C. Cathedral. The Archdiocese has spent millions in child molestation cases, and the church's complicity. If the demographic group that drops money in those tacky little baskets leaves, the Roman Church is in big trouble. It already is. The church is already on life support in Europe. How do you propose to pay continuing abuse cases. It's bad enough to listen to 80 year old "Mother Superior Posterior" strum her guitar, (cont)

[dsindc]

@FaithandTradition (cont from below) and screech into her microphone (what passes off as music in the roman catholic church), but what are you going to do with no more priests? As a Christian I am increasingly embarrassed by the conduct of your church. Pompous comments like yours just don't work anymore... do you not get that?? I suspect you're a very spiritually insecure little person and you take some comfort on beating up on non roman catholics. You need therapy, not the church. 

[rectaltemp]

This is what the Episcopal church USED TO BE about --- now, seriously diluted and derailed with all the liberalism, homosexuality, ordination of women, etc.

1928 Prayer Book and 1940 Hymnal ---- and all that goes with it.!

[aws1008]

I got to sing at the cathedral when I was in high school....what a wonderful experience - one I will never forget!!

[thisbemyutubenabe]

The Main choir is this video is the Christ Church Cathedral Choir of Men and Boys, Under the Direction of Dr. Frederick Burgomaster, I am one of the head boys in this service, i can find the full video and post it in parts

[thisbemyutubenabe]

@thisbemyutubenabe OOPS DOUBLE POST, and it seems you can't see us in this video

[thisbemyutubenabe]

The Main choir is this video is the Christ Church Cathedral Choir of Men and Boys, Under the Direction of Dr. Frederick Burgomaster, I am one of the head boys in this service

[railfanatic844]

man, we roman catholics have ok organs and hymns, but episcopalians got it right somehow

[Owenbob]

Bad recording

[march131958]

Mr. Dettra is a very nice guy as well. You all can see many services on the web...National Cathedral. It will lead you in the direction.

[901cleo]

I am Episcopalian. Service music and liturgy are taken very, very seriously. Sloppiness and tackiness are undignified. We "frozen chosen" would let out a collective gasp of horror if modern "praise music" seeped into a Sunday morning service. Not putting down those who like modern praise music but Episcopalians relish in centuries old, well beloved hymns. Music done well uplifts the soul and the soul soars with the notes and voices.....

This hymn is The God of Abraham Praise, hymn #401.

[jlrdc909]

@901cleo Episcopalian as well, and if you have a Piano in your church, Tisk Tisk

[autumnwindwalker]

@901cleo And yet here in Orlando, there are churches that use praise bands and whatnot during Rite II services, leaving Rite I to be the only 'traditional" service. I know of 2 that do this.....no, wait.....3 of them in my immediate area do this. Perhaps this is the same in other cities....

[tamiasthechipmunk]

@901cleo Amen to that.

[voiceharp]

I love our music. My mother would have loved this also.

[Purplerugmuncher]

That building is really impressive, I love the look of old cathedrals and chapels and their unique architecture. The University of Washington Library in Seattle looks awesome inside, its called the Suzzallo Library - I think.

And some parts of Its interior are fairly similar.

I really like the interior in this cathedral, especially the stained-glass window.

[jonqstockwell]

It is not an old cathedral! Although it does seem to be quite closely based on Canterbury.

[ronoman88]

Very Good.

[davidnhvtme]

This may be the most spectacular work of music ever placed on youtube. EVER. What a fabulous organ and chorale.

O God of Abraham Praise!!!!

David

[Rhapthorne3]

Is the Drath Vader gargoyle on the cathedral intentional?

[tamiasthechipmunk]

Yes. Its located high upon the west facade's north tower.

[kentingtonallen]

If this isn't enough for conversion, try looking up the "Reagan funeral hymn" sung by the choir of the National Episcopal Cathedral of Saints Peter and Paul

[Staymewithflagons]

Jesus said...you teach the traditions of men...for the Word of God...

The greatest commandment is...Love the Lord you God with all you heart, and all your mind, and all your strength...and the second is like it...Love you neighbor as yourself. And help widows and orphans in their distress...that is true religion and undefiled.

[davidnhvtme]

this has got to be one of the finest videos on all of youtube! What a cathedral!. what an organ! what a hymn! This could convert every one to Episcapalianism! Have you ever heard music better than this?

David

[calarch78]

You do realise that the things that you enjoy may not be reason alone for making a religious conversion? Perhaps most people, when considering religious conversion, look past music and architecture, David. Surely you can see that?

[dsindc]

There are many worse reasons for converting. I would add that there are many ways to move oneself closer to God.

[obxemt]

@davidnhvtme Our music is without par. It's our screwed-up theology and twisted hierarchy that is so troublesome.

[jlrdc909]

@obxemt I totally agree, I am an Episcopalian and the music is the best, those in charge, well, not so best HA

[hongbao]

@davidnhvtme

Dear David,

I'm an E piscopal Priest and I really love this hymn, also.

People converting to the Episcopal Church in the late 20 th and early 21 st Centuries remind me of people who rush into a burning building, but only because they know that there is something infinitely precious within.

I think I'll have us sing this hymn next Sunday at my parish!

[Cheapasscookie]

@davidnhvtme erm yes their called catholic hymns

[tupipataxo]

what the name of this hymn??

[frattington]

Two things: The Anglican Communion may have tried to build some of the most oversized churches in the world in the last 100 years, but it fails to fill them. Your church is guided by the likeness of an opinion poll.

Why don't Episcopalians use the shaded choir stall lamps that the Anglican across the pond are so fond of?? Nothing says stiff upper lip spirituality more than a lamp from Herrods.

[dsindc]

Two additional things: I've attended Mass at Notre Dame in Paris & was shocked to see about 80% of the chairs empty. I've been told by European friends that's quite common all over the continent. Second, since when is religion a popularity contest? Finally, I would much rather be guided by an "opinion poll" than the opinion of one fallible human being. That sort of spiritual fascism is not working, the church cannot replace its clergy, & NOBODY is listening anymore.

[speaks3703]

Sadly, people in the modern era identify more with the modern reformed churches who use the pop culture to their advantage. The faith that people across the world have held for centuries is falling by the wayside because people see it as old-fashioned and outdated. They would rather attend a service that's more like a rock concert. While there's nothing inherently wrong with that worship style, it makes it very easy to get distracted from the true message of Christ and the salvation He gives.

[dsindc]

One other thing frattington. Your last comment is wrong. No, what really says stiff upper lip spirituality is shiney new Prada slippers for the Pope. Then again it could be church complicity in hiding priest's from child molestation charges.

[Lupos1987]

Small Episcopal parishes in the country are failing, yes. That's because the Evangelical movement has been stealing a lot of the kids from the parishes in those regions. The Lutheran and Presbyterian churches have been losing parishoners there too. The major churches in the cities have been attracting plenty of people though.

[tupipataxo]

I have a doubt

EVANGELICAL MOVEMENT is the PENTECOSTAL charismatic renewal ??

[Salmagundiii]

"Why don't Episcopalians use the shaded choir stall lamps that the Anglican across the pond are so fond of??"

A practical reason is that, England is so far north the churches are often darker because either the days are shorter (winter) or the sun angle is lower (mornings during any part of the year). Witness the Cambridge King's Col. Nine Lessons and Carols. IIRC it starts at around 3:30pm and 1/2 way through the service it is dark outside and they require the lamps to read the music.

[Salmagundiii]

Slight correction - I'm not actually sure the sun angle is lower near the summer solstice (mainly because the sun is coming up so much earlier, as I had the misfortune of experiencing when I was in Scotland in early July), but it certainly is for much of the rest of the year.

[gooseholla1]

LOL! Those candles burn at every service as a member of my family is in charge of setting them up. It is also the middle of winter, so halfway through the sun sets - and you do know it is recorded right? So to avoid continuity errors they have them going whether light or dark.

[dsindc]

I live in Washington, and go to an Episcopal parish just down the street from the cathedral. The cathedral is spectacular, but the stained glass windows can't be compared to those in Europe. European stained glass windows are much much thicker and darker. Washington Cathedral is actually very bright inside. St. John the Divine in NYC however also has much darker windows. Not sure if they use lamps or not. Lamps just would not be needed at Wash. Cathedral.

[TheArthurAndersen]

This cathedral and the huge Catholic basilica shrine next to Catholic University give you such a magical feel, especially with their countless chapels. But there are older, larger, and more striking cathedrals in Europe, of course! Can't beat Europe when it comes to cathedrals. Europe has the best of the best!

[dsindc]

Ironic that the two great cathedrals in the U.S. are Episcopalian. St. John the Divine is the largest cathedral on the globe, and second largest church in the world after St. Peter's Basilica (which is not a cathedral as so many mistakenly think). In terms of architecture, both St. Peter and Paul (Washington Cathedral) and St. John the Divine are the only 'cathedrals' in the country, e.g. built with no steel superstructure. Both should be there for one to two thousand years.

[TheArthurAndersen]

Have you been to Cologne Cathedral in Cologne, Germany? That's probably my #1 favorite cathedral in the world! It's definitely one of the world's most striking. Yesterday I went to Sunday mass at the huge basilica catholic shrine in dc. its the biggest catholic church in the Americas. Then I went to Washington National Cathedral. Did you know it has a very tiny chapel that's open daily until 10pm for private prayer? I stayed there for over an hour until 10pm. A very humbling & peaceful feeling.

[dsindc]

I have been to St. Stephen's in Vienna, Notre Dame, St. Vitus in Prague, St. Paul's. There's something about gothic. It's incredible. I like the Basilica, it just doesn't have the same feel. Also, the Cathedral is built entirely of stone like the old European Cathedrals. Such feeling of permanence. That said, the most incredible place of all is actually not a cathedral. It's St. Chapelle in Paris. Near Notre Dame. Incredible. BTW, Wash Cath. is a bit larger than the Basilica

[TheArthurAndersen]

Between the Basilica shrine around Catholic University and the Washington Cathedral, I'm not sure which one I love more. Hard to say! It's a tie! I don't even know which of the 2 has the bigger number of chapels inside. Each of them has countless chapels. But I can say my favorite chapel belongs to the W Cathedral. It's the one in the lower level with house-like carpet, chairs, tables, and candles. It's the very dark chapel with a small light on a painting of 3 angels. Sweetest chapel ever!

[TheArthurAndersen]

Also, another favorite of mine in DC is the Franciscan Monastery which is just a couple blocks away from the Basilica. It's inside a residential neighborhood. It's a bit smaller than the Cathedral and Basilica but it too gives you a dazzling magical feel. If you haven't been to it yet, go pay a visit. You'll love it there too. I went there for Christmas midnight mass. But again, what sucks is that it's not very spacious. Space is limited so it can get crowded easily. The parking lot is tiny too

[speaks3703]

@dsindc I'm not completely sure about this, but I think you will find a couple of other such cathedrals, such as St. Pat's in NYC.

[dsindc]

@speaks3703 I'm not sure what you're "not sure" of. St. Pat's has a super-structure of steel. It is quite a bit smaller than Wash. Cathedral, and probably half the size of St. John the Divine in NYC.

[GBJPhotoWorks]

@dsindc little known truth... look up the cathedral (Notre Dame de la Paix, Our Lady of Peace) in Yamasoukro, Ivory Coast. With 300,000 sq. ft. in the footprint, and consecrated by Pope J.P. II, St. Peter in the Vatican is no longer biggest. However, it seems that church represents such a political ugliness, most want to pretend it just doesn't exist.

[bawlmerbuoy1]

@TheArthurAndersen You are exactly right about the 2 great Episcopal cathedrals in the U.S. But check out St. John's Cathedral in Spokane for a look at a small gothic cathedral that is a gem. Of course, nothing can touch Chartres to my mind.

[TheArthurAndersen]

check out Cologne Cathedral videos on youtube or pay a visit to it in Germany. Truely, this is the most striking cathedral in the world! I have a fascination for cathedrals, particularly the ones in Europe. I love that Europe feel u get from them, besides loving them because they bring u and God together. Cathedrals, especially the ones in Europe, are one of my passions in life! Man, I could live in one of Europe's cathedrals for the rest of my life if it were up to me. I'm serious.

[bawlmerbuoy1]

@TheArthurAndersen You are totally right! Of course, Cologne is rather unbelievable. Is it real? I am lucky to live in a city (Washington) that has a cathedral! I do love Chartres and Westminster Cathedral in London.

[TheArthurAndersen]

dood, have u been to my favorite chapel in the washington national cathedral? check it out. you'll love it the best out of all the chapels there. it's the very dark one with carpet, candles, a table or two, and with a painting of 3 angels with a small light to make the painting visible. Truely, this is the chapel there that gives u the most magical feel! Do u know which chapel i'm talking about? This chapel also has a room with a small window high above. The room has 2 seats and 2 kneel thingys.

[bawlmerbuoy1]

@TheArthurAndersen I believe it is in the crypt.

[TheArthurAndersen]

sweetest chapel in the world! when i am sad, angry, scared, nervous, or whatever negative mood it may be, i go to that chapel and suddenly i get filled with peace and start feeling better again. i guess it's all God! all of a sudden i feel alright again when in the chapel/cathedral. what's your favorite chapel there?

[rectaltemp]

You experience an Episcopal [Anglican] service - high church - and the you have to wonder how it got sooooo screwed up!

[Rankett16]

Please explain what you mean: Is it high church or low church that's screwed up? and why?

[tupipataxo]

the American Protestant churches are very different from churches portestantes Brazil. in USA, they seem Catholic.

[dsindc]

This is the Episcopal Cathedral Church of St. Peter and St. Paul. It is Anglican, has a bishop who wears a mitre, and during solemn liturgies the incense flies. So, it is not exactly "protestant". Think of St. Paul's London, or Westminster Abbey. By the way, nearly all the great cathedrals built in the last 100 years have been Anglican- St. John the Divine (NYC) is the largest cathedral in the world, Liverpool Cathedral is also huge as is this one. Hope that clears things up a bit.

[tupipataxo]

a Brazilian Protestant who would be shocked to see the cathedral of Washington is Protestant. looks a lot like Catholic, to cause revulsion in the evangelicals, as Protestant churches (in Brazil, are known as Evangelical Churches) are simple, have no pictures, no special clothing dress suit their pastors, and worship are charismatic. i'm portestant( in Brazil, called EVANGELICAL). suffered much prejudice, because Brazil was soon the largest Catholic country in the world.

[speaks3703]

Depending upon how you define the term "protestant," Anglicans, Episcopalians, and Lutherans may not be included to begin with.

[Lupos1987]

Correct. These churches are all reformed Catholic churches which have kept the Liturgy and the veneration of saints. They also still observe the Sacraments, although the theology surrounding them declares that only baptism and the Eucharist are necessary for salvation. The other sacraments are merely expression of inner faith.

[claurarau]

thet is not true. read some reform or lutherans theology. or the westminster confession of faith ( reform) or the augsburg confession confession of faith ( Lutheran) and then spok.

[speaks3703]

We as Lutherans are not protestant, assuming you define the term as most people do. I direct your attention to the following: "If, however (as is often the case today), the term "Protestantism" is loosely or simplistically associated with various Reformed, Anabaptist or "fundamentalist" theological views, many of which do not correspond to what Lutherans believe and teach, then (obviously) the term would not be appropriately or accurately applied to Lutherans." -LCMS

[anglicansag]

When Luther nailed his theses to the Cathedral Door I think one can safely define that as "Protesting" against the status quo of the Catholic Church. Of course Lutherans are Protestant.

[speaks3703]

The term Protestant has a different connotation today than it did in 1517. While the term does come from the word protest as it relates to Luther, he was only the tip of the iceberg. Today, the word protestant is usually used to describe more liberal institutions, such as the Baptists and Pentecostals. The LCMS and WELS tend to be more religiously conservative. In many cases, we are more conservative than Catholics, though not always. But we are certainly not protestant in that sense.

[speaks3703]

Anglican and Episcopal, yes. Lutheran, no. Lutheran don't venerate the saints and observe only two sacraments. Nonetheless, they are not protestant either.

[dsindc]

I'm Episcopalian not Lutheran, but I'm not sure Lutheran's only observe 2 sacraments. In the Swedish Church (with which the Anglican Church has been in full communion for a long time) for instance appears to recognize all 7 sacraments. For us, there is a distinction only in that the five "lesser sacraments" are "lesser" because they are not required for all people, e.g. marriage, unction, confession. Still, Swedish Church tradtions appear to strongly imply the same position.

[kejcolley]

Interesting stuff one sees on Youtube Christian videos. At the time Reformation Church of England did not leave the Catholic church, initially it just did not recognise the authority of the Pope. Henry VIII thought himself 100% Catholic. (continued in next posting)

[kejcolley]

With death of Henry, Abp Thomas Cranmer and others who were influenced by the Biblical understanding in Europe put into place reform within the Church of England which step by step moved her away from Rome. To have an understanding of Anglican Theology probably the best place to look is in the back of a standard Book of Common Prayer (1662) and read the 39 Articles of Faith to which English Anglican clergy today, under oath, still have to affirm. 100% Protestant with a Calvinist slant.

[theblackhand2]

Beautiful Cathedral and powerful Hymn.

[Mackaronni]

Please EXCUSE alexwilsonNC comments....He's NOT on his medicine today.....!!!!

[socwoods]

Episcopalians have the best music for sure!

[tman8077]

@socwoods I dont think so, a lot of the Episcopal hymns are "Durges" I would have to say the best hymns are from the Methodist Hymnal!!!

[socwoods]

@tman8077

Ok.  LOL

[tman8077]

@socwoods Not all of them are though, a lot of their music is beautiful with the minor chords! I'm not knocking it, i just think the Methodist Hymns are better for singing!

[michaeljy]

@tman8077 Why don't you check the Wikipedia for John Wesley (founder of Methodism) and his brother Charles, before you comment? Both Wesleys were ordained Anglican clergymen. All of the services in the back of Methodist Hymnals were lifted directly from the Episcopal Book of Common Prayer. The 1941 Episcopal Hymnal included 18 hymns by Charles Wesley, and two by John Wesley. The Methodist Church grew out of the Anglican Church.

[tman8077]

@michaeljy OBVIOUSLY! It was there first! DUH

[steelersfanhawaii]

@socwoods sorry, Roman Catholics do.....

[speaks3703]

@steelersfanhawaii I don't know about the rest of the people who have viewed this video, but I'm certainly not a fan of a lot of the more modern Catholic music (with a few choice exceptions). Sadly many Catholic parishes are abandoning the good ol' hymns. Case and point: when my choir looked at Immortal, Invisible, God only Wise, only about four of them had heard it out of the twenty four. That's just sad. I can't imagine the response if I were to introduce them to this hymn...

[speaks3703]

@steelersfanhawaii I will hopefully find out soon though...I plan to use it next semester when we have our new organ. If only it had the 8' State Trumpet of the Cathedral of St. John the Divine!! (Yet another Episcopalian organ success story).

[DHS11999]

@socwoods That we do. :-D

[1clarinet1981]

agreed!...this is a stunning cathedral & instrument...and, i'm also partial to the hymns in a MINOR key...

[tippymugs]

Leoni is no baloney--lol.

[davidnhvtme]

This is nothing less than stunning. What a hymn! what a cathedral!

I agree with BPRTV1998 Episcopalians take their hymns seriously...the best reason to be Episcopalian is there amazing music!!!!

[BayAreaBiker2001]

The Methodists and Lutherans have great hymns as well. Martin Luther didn't think the devil should have all the best music.

Charles Wesley, whose brother started the Methodist church, wrote many hymns, most of which are still very popular.

[dsindc]

I agree. But don't forget the Wesley's were Anglican priests. In England, the Methodists are much more like low church Episcopalians than in the states. The ELCA is now in full communion with the Episcopal Church- and with their liturgical tradition we will both be better off for it. It's sad, but it seems the church that is slowly losing its musical tradition is the Roman Catholic. The music in a typical R.C. parish is God awful.

[Lupos1987]

Most RC churches I've been to have been trying to use the music from "contemporary" services. You know, those whimpy christian rock and folk songs from the last 30 years that you hear in mega churches. What's up RC? Why are you trying to become the Charismatics and Pentecostals?

[speaks3703]

The ELCA is also in full communion with the Presbyterian Church now. It doesn't make any sense. Their beliefs are different from the beliefs of both alternate bodies and yet they are in full communion with both. This is one of the many reasons why I remain LCMS.

I always got a kick out of Catholic churches that sang some of Luther's hymns about overcoming Satan. In most of them, Luther was referring to the Catholic Church. But he and others wrote beautiful hymns that Catholics should use.

[dsindc]

Yes, you're correct from what I have heard. But in the Episcopal Church we have been instructed that while it not "kosher" for lack of a better word to take communion from a minister not in Apostolic Succession, the ultimate decision must be made by the individual. It was my understanding that Lutherans as part of the agreement with Episcopalians were to coordinate cooperation with other denominations. Still, I cannot help but think there are much much bigger issues facing all Christians.

[bbbnit]

Beautiful! Here in Brazil we sing "Ao Deus de Abraão Louvai", ...

Bravo!

[AntiquityCentury21]

God Bless you bbbnit!

[mogemoets]

This is a fabulous rendering of LEONI!

I wonder who plays it?

Is it Erik?

Skipchat says he's off to become an airline pilot!

RSVP!

Martin

[CathedrlCarillonneur]

I've never heard that hymn played with such grandeur... no one else can do hymns quite like the Episcopalians! Great fanfare introduction.

[PBRTV1998]

We Episcopalians - at least those of us who don't think all hymns are "dirgy" - like our Hymns. That's for sure.

[alexwilsonNC]

No one hangs black people or burns crosses in the yards of the Jews and Catholics like the Episcopalians either!!!!

Listen to this. FUCK RELIGION!

God is the invention of MAN.

[emeryja23]

what beautiful pictures! and what an amazing experience it must've been to attend a service at the cathedral. i watch the live broadcasts every sunday from my home in michigan. my partner and i are planning a trip there hopefully in the spring.