Its amazing how the Protestants claim that they are being thought through the bible and yet they are made to hate others specially catholics. I grew up as catholic but I was never thought to hate protestants. Protestant preachers should learn from the examples of the saints.
Nimo753 I don't think God would like your comment about anti roman Catholic! if your such a anglican Christian then why do you put comments like that!
@Nimo753 I'm sorry you are so angry. May God give you the strength to heal your wounds and give you the wisdom to understand what is happening to your religious sect. The Catholic Church is our true Mother on Earth and it is time for the rebellion against it to end.
The vatican still to this day discriminates and is not prefect, That is why I switched, but will still respect all religions as long as they respect mine....ANGLICAN
Would a married Anglican convert be able to rise to the rank of bishop? Theoretically, could there be a Pope with a wife and five kids (not that there will ever be a Pope from the English-speaking world)?
@trilobright No if you watched this video all the way through you would see that one of the stipulations for married bishops is that they must step down and be priests.
@salazar55555 No he is not. But he is the chief apostle, and that has been held from the time of Christ through the early councils; read them and you will see. And who is the visible head of the Anglican Church? The Queen. I would sooner follow the man Peter and his successors anointed by Christ, than some royal who has absolutely no authority to execute any God given order in regards to morality or canon law.
Rome wants you! Soon she'll be pointing her finger at everyone, saying "Rome wants you!" Don't be fooled by her lies and treachery. She is the Mother of Harlots and will be taken away by the power of God. Yet, her time to win the masses with her ecumenical message must continue a little while longer. She has a "mission": "to [restore] and [bear] witness to the unity lost at Babel." Once "peace and security" is declared, and the two-state solution is implemented, she will show no mercy.
I believe you got the wrong impression i am trying to put up here.
Peter is the real and actual Bishop of Antioch instead of being the Vicar of Christ or the first pope of the Universal Church. I never said that Jesus gave Cephas ( Peter ) the Key but never showed him the way and therefor he's like anybody else ( as you had mentioned ) .
the seamless robe of Christ is torn asunder,as beneath the cross the guards rolled dice....Mother Mary stands & cries as her son is mocked & dies.....one thief taunts to mock n con,the other thief just as street-savvy as the other,says a kind-word at the right-time.And Jesus lets that un-baptized criminal into heaven & he never bothered to follow any rules like allof us nuts & fools arguing about which "Church" is the one founded by Jesus.
Hey Asshole , Peter was not Catholic - nor was any of the Apostles - Dig more into your History were you will find that Peter died and buried in Glastonbury.There is hard evidence that Peter was Catholic -- The RCC was established ages after Peter .....so stop the crap
yes dad , thats what catholics expect from everyone ,you moron - you don`t have to tell me were to find resources, CATHOLIC .COM is as crap as its name moron - face the fact , Catholicsm is Pagan , brainwash others not mine.
Universal is wrong too , as if God is for Catholics only . You first named Peter as being Catholic , now your naming yourself a disciple . get a life and love everyone.
And no one said God is for Catholics only, if you read the CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (starting at Paragraph 811) you would NEVER say that again. Because the Church CLEARLY states that even NON-CATHOLICS CAN GO TO HEAVEN. Learn the Truth, Live the Truth, and Spread the Truth.
Hi i went scuba diving with friends out on the barrier reef anyway , It is written in the Cathecism of course ,and left under the table . you just wrote on your previous massages that the key was given to Peter alone ( Catholic Church )
practice what you preach.and preach what you practice - that is what i call the truth.GET A LIFE
@MrNafetalai Hey Asshole, The death of St. Peter is attested to by Tertullian at the end of the 2nd century, and by Origen in Eusebius, Church History III.1. Origen says: "Peter was crucified at Rome with his head downwards, as he himself had desired to suffer.-WIKIPEDIA
The Anglican Church was established after the Catholic Church... so cut the crap
How can Rome continue to claim to be Catholic, yet violate Canon law? This is in direct violation of laws such as the Council of Chalcedon, Canon #29, and quite a few others. Last I checked, those who do such were counted as HERETICS! Quite speaking of Protestants leaving the faith and check your Pope!
@SatinB7 For a Bishop to bear the rank of Presbyter is sacrilege. If, however, any just reason determines their removal from practice as Bishops, then neither ought they to occupy the position of Presbyter. But if for any cause than some crime they have been deprived of the dignity and office, they shall be restored to the dignity and office of the Episcopate.- canon 29< How do u see this is violating the cannon???????????
What an OUTRAGEOUS idea. Were no lessons learned from the Reformation? I WILL NEVER SET SO MUCH AS A MISERABLE TOE NAIL INSIDE ANY CATHOLIC 'OUTFIT'. They're ANYTHING but Christian - more like a criminal organisation....oh, wait...that's what they call the Mafia, isn't it? What are you Anglicans thinking? Has someone put something in your drinking water???
@qantasCapt Watch your tongue, heretic. The Holy Catholic Church existed long before a group of arrogant heretics decided to change the entire Church canon, with NO authority from God to do so. It continues to exist today.
Which of the 33,000 Protestant sects do you belong to? To which heretical doctrines to you base your salvation upon? Your own? Some other fallen sinner?
Jesus founded One Church upon St. Peter, and the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.
@drdst17 When Jesus said, "Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock, I will build my church," what language was He speaking? Peter (petrus) and Rock (petram) make a fine pun in Latin. What are the words for "Peter" and "Rock" in Aramaic? Do they sound similar in that language? As for "church" (ecclesiam), what meaning would that have had to the Jews of His time?
"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me." - John 17:20-21
@Nimo753 Nice language. Maybe if your sect wasn't heretical, a huge portion of your members wouldn't be clamoring to return home to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic faith.
But go ahead and swear at me again, if it makes you feel better about yourself.
@drdst17 - no point in your comment asshole ! you really have to learn what does FUCK OFF means ...and if you support your fucked POPE`S push for globalisation ....GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SIGHT 666 !
I agreee, that piece from the Roman book (added much later) is a massive fail. Nice religion, isn't it, that wants us to suffer? So much compassion this "real saint" that people in pain were never given any painkillers? I never mentioned to "Missionary position". I was referring to the documentary "Hell's Angels" by Hitchens and it's not about the motor cycle gang.
God created everything, so therefore he also created "sin". Well, apparently, his creation wasn't so holy and righteous then. Isn't that strange? But what can I say? One needs to judge the fruit by its tree, Bible says.
So let it be "adultery" then. Who cares? What gives any man the right to abuse a woman in the first place? He was supposed to marry her out of love. If this marriage has no soul then in my eyes it is not valid anyway, performed by an ordained priest or not. When people remarry, the priest conducting it gets excommunicated. Apparently you people want this woman to be forever stuck in a marriage that makes her unhappy for the rest of her days.
So women that are unhappily married or abused by their husbands should be forced to stay in that marriage and not find a man who does care about them? And how "sacred" is such a marriage anyway if one of the partners acts selfish?
Thank the Lord we do not have your kinky clergy and their vile ways. Anglican members can do without that: you need guidance and forget the Sacrements, you are not ready for them yet.
I guess the Vatican were rubbing their hand at the news of disgruntled anglican priests. Disgusting. All they're interested in is increasing their numbers.
I'm not an insider but the Vatican is very rich and churches have to survive on donations by the visiters. In South America they had a giant telescope built on top of a mountain. What's so spiritual about that?
If the church is interested in cience people complain, if the church doesn't interest in ciencie people complain anyway...
For your information the vatican has only 1/3 of the richness of Harvard. It means that Harvard is 3 times more rich than the vatican. Has anybody wonder how is used that money?
Science and religion have never mixed. Even if some church officials take an interest in science, that still doesn't give them any right to invest the church's monies in it.
Your comparison to Harvard is meaningless. The wealth of the Vatican is estimated between $10 to $15 billion. That's already mighty rich. Whatever Harvard is doing with it, the Vatican is supposed to be a SPIRITUAL institution, expected to follow Jesus' ways and this is not it.
The administration of one country is much more expensive than 10 or 15 billion, how expensive do you think it is to administrate a world wide religious organization.
I dont even know from where did you get that inbformation and what do you count as expensives.
All the marble, all the gold, and the "exquisite meals" that is in the vatican is also mine too, i am the church, just like all the other bapthised catholics, and is something we gave to make our temples the most beautiful, and glorious from all the temples. Gess what we achieve that. I don't care if you feel upset because it is in the house of God and not in one rich man house.
You ask me where I got my information? I should be asking you that instead about administrations that exceed 10 billion because that in my estimation, is utterly ridiculous. No, I'm not upset. It's basically not my problem, but it does however eat at the Church's credibility when focusing on "glorious" appearance. And what a waste to spend it all on a "glorification of God", like He would in any way demand this. Helping people is the only right thing to do for a christian.
The church also help people, and has doing it for centuries but is not very interestin for the news what caritas is doing, or all the missionaries work around the world, or the educative work that also the churchs does trought his missionaries. The most known work of the church is the mission of mother teresa of calcuta in now days but is not the only one trought centuries there has been many other saints that trought his love to the poor and the peolpe show the true sanctity
of the church, but you and many other people are not interested in knowing what the church is doing or has done to help society and the world, like stoping wars, protecting the poor, interceding for the people in comunist countries, NO you like all the others just look into the bad christians that there are in the church and judge the whole for his dirt. entusiastic in destroing the good works of the church trought difamation, feeling righteous wile doing nothing but criticize.
The church is never interested in SOLVING a problem. Only with being busy with it. Otherwise it can no longer present itself as the do-gooder. Tell me, with all the millions in donations this Mother Theresa got in, how many homes she had built for the homeless and how she has tried to solve the problem of poverty. This woman who glorified poverty as a "gift from God", who had a little hospital in India with appalling hygienic conditions and unqualified staff.
Of curse the church is interested in solviong the world problems. Now what you say about mother theresa really says a lot about your ignorance of her life. She build a whole comunity for lepers, she gave them a job, she took care of people that nobody else did took care, she gave all the help she could give, what you are asking is just plain stupid, the work of nun is not to save the world, she did much more than you, and any person i know. Now you come complaining. Your help
Theoschanel you are just usless, not only do not help anybody but also complain and feel yourself righteous wile doing notthing. What a piece of crap you are.
So what do you know about my helping people? You actually think you have any idea about that?
So now you're into name calling. That's a good christian! Time to have a good look in the mirror. I may not be religious, but I do believe in karma. Have a good day.
I think you need to see Christopher Hitchen's extensive research in the video's called "Hell's Angels" on Mother Teresa. She had plenty of monies coming in to improve the conditions of her hospital that was nicknamed the death room. Dirty needles were used. Children were not sent hospital but yet she herself went abroad when she need a pacemaker.
"she did much more than you, and any person i know"
How the hell do you know? She was in no way the only charity there in Culcutta but she just got a better press than everyone else thanks to some bloke who wrote a glorifying book about her. An ex-atheist who suddenly became a born-again christian. She had friends in high places, even some very controversial ones. "Suffering brings us closer to Jesus" she said. It says nowhere in the Bible however.
Many nuns are now leaving the order worldwide because of the flaggalation practices, of accepting injustice and suffering like she ordered her nuns to. Australian nun Colette Livermore left the order and wrote a book about it called "Hope endures", and you say I am ignorant of Mother Therasa? There obviously are some things you didn't know about her.
there is no flagelation practice in the order, and even if there was flagelation practices are optional not an obligation, if many nuns are leaving is their choice as it was their choise to join the order. The life of a missionary is not for everybody, only those who love others more than they love themselves endure in the order. Their joy is to serve others if they found no joy in serving the poor and the sick, then they should never had enter into the order It was their choice
They are leaving because there is something wrong with the order. They joined out of a genuine calling, but found out it was not what they expected it would be. They were not allowed to love the patients. Patients were dying because the nuns had zero medical training and didn'st sterilize the needles. No person in his or her right mind could endure seeing all that unnecessary suffering. The poor and sick are much better served in the hands of real professionals.
"there is no flagelation practice in the order, and even if there was flagelation practices are optional not an obligation"
Here you are contradicting yourself. First you deny flagalation, then you say it's optional. This information comes from an Australian ex-nun who served in the order of Mother Teresa for 11 years. If it was optional no one would do it, unless we're dealing with masochists.
I guess that the Sistine Chapel, all the gold, the marble, the posh furniture, the Vatican Museum and the exquisite meals they're having are also part of their "administration", right?
And also all that was given trought centuries to the glorification of our God. Yes the vatican for me is the most beautiful, expensive and glorious temple in all the world. And i am proud of it. I will not say the vatican is worth 10 bilion i would say the vatican is priceless. Even 10 billion seems little to me. I don care if you dont like it, but it is as it is.
I have no business with whatever is in any king's private collection. You're just conveniently diverting from the subject at hand and making comparisons in order to try and justify something. Diverting from an institute that prides itself for doing God's work and being spiritual.
Jesus said "it's easier for a camel to crawl through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God". So neither king nor pope will enter it. That should be obvious.
Tell me why many catholic churches have to struggle to survive and count on the donations from their congragations, while the Vatican is living in luxury? I've seen many churches close down in my country. They didn't have the money to maintain it.
Jesus has said that it is more likely for a camel to crawl through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. The pope is rich, very rich, but catholic dogma states that he is representing God on earth.
Why is that suddenly so relevant? We are talking about the pope/Vatican. But if you really want to know, yes, I have gien to the poor, but the Vatican with all their monies is way more able to help them than we are.
Peace be with you in the of our Lord Jesus Christ. . We are born imperfect and by acknowledgment of our wrong doing by the Word of God we are perfected. Confest your sins and you will receive remission of sin .
If the Bible is a Catholic book, why does it nowhere mention the Catholic Church? Why is there no mention of a pope, a cardinal, an archbishop, a parish priest, a nun, or a member of any other Catholic order? If the Bible is a Catholic book, why is auricular confession, indulgences, prayers to the saints, adoration of Mary, veneration of relics and images, and many other rites and ceremonies of the Catholic Church, left out of it?
@kiwichristian2009 now this is a good point . I have long held that the sacraments (while having nothing anti biblical or anti christian about them ) are not always the only ways to God . The Holy Spirit works in all sorts of ways . I do admittedly give confession , but I also confess directly to God first , with the second being a way for me to mend the sin here on earth (as asking God to forgive me hopefully mends my sin in heaven )
@brycejacksoncvt The Bible give us two ordinances, Baptism following salvation and the Lords Supper ( NOT the catholic "mass", the Lords Supper ). My friend, you said "asking God to forgive me hopefully mends my sin in heaven". The Bible says there is no need to "hope" that God mends your sins, because God Himself says when you repent and confess your sins, He will remember them no more. He is good like that! :)
@kiwichristian2009 I dont see anywhere where it condemned giving confession to a priest ... this helps us make up for the sin by taking the advice of the priest (its just advice ) and the prayers are meant for us to communicate with God so we may know what to do to make up for the sin as well . I think you have a very narrow view of what a confession is , have you ever done one ??? (not asking if you believe in its validity , just asking if you have done it and Id like a YES or NO answer please)
@brycejacksoncvt Christ's crucifixion and resurrection was God's payment for our sins. Paul declared this in writing to the Ephesians."In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace." Only God can forgive sins and we are to go to Him directly. Mark2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? And yes, i confess to God everytime i sin.
@kiwichristian2009 - you are ABSOLUTELY right. (on your first sentence ) . Priests do not forgive sins, they simply proclaim what God has already done . The confession is proof that you are indeed sorry for what you have done against God and amend to change. Your prolli a pretty good person and dont need to PROVE to anyone that your sorry. I however, have not always been a good man.. so I attend Episcopal services (Im non denominational once again) and go through confession to prove Im sorry
@kiwichristian2009 I believe I just said I was proving it to myself, but if I didnt then that was what i meant . God does know my heart so the only thing I can honestly say is that I was guided to my current spot in my Christian path by the Holy Spirit, and I honestly believe this is where Im meant to be .. goes up there with my whole re reading and re learning Christianity after my own personal revelation .
@brycejacksoncvt "Your prolli a pretty good person". Nope. I am a dirty rotten filthy sinner and i sin every day. The only difference now is that God has forgiven me and sin no longer controls my life.
@kiwichristian2009 - Then good for you .. I wish I could say the same but sin does still have a foothold in my life .. but its strength against me weakens every day and every day my life gets better as I rid myself more and more of that which burdens me (its worth noting that my confessions have been ongoing for some time, as my former sinful life has a lot of crimes against man and God that I must own up and answer for ) . Am I unsure , Absolutely .. prolli always will be
@brycejacksoncvt No, good for God. He is doing it, not me. Sin is still part of my every day life. The severity of it rises and falls from time to time, and the guilt associated with it increasing each time, so that proves God is working in us. If you google my name you will what a dirty rotten filthy sinner i was and i am not ashamed of what and where i was. When you are in Christ, all things are new. You are a new creature.
@kiwichristian2009 - lol wow dude you dont know how to take a compliment .. I was just trying to say good for you for even wanting to rid yourself of your sin .. lots of people dont .. thats all I meant . I am sorry I disagree, there is serverity of sin .. looking lustfully at your neighbors wife is NOT the same severity as a murder or child molestation .. that is just something were me and you are gonna have to differ on opinion .
@brycejacksoncvt And who decides the severity of different sins? What is the authority you go by? My sin is still with me the same as it was when i was committing the sin. The only difference now is that God forgives it and will remember it no more. But that does not erase what I did. I know what you are trying to say, and thank you. I guess i just have an argumentative nature. :)
@kiwichristian2009 God knows understanding can ONLY be accomplished through dialog and discussion , so in that case your argumentative nature could very well be a gift from the Holy Spirit . I guess I go by my gut feeling when it comes to severity of sin ... I guess just the believe that the Holy Spirit guides me in my attempt to do God's will . But Im also a very empathetic man too so seeing the damage of sin on its victims might influence me, which I guess is a sin too .
@kiwichristian2009 BUT.. I also believe that no one of Gods creation, mortal or immortal(angels) could ever conceive or know of Gods true plan or design , we simply arent meant to know . Being a sinner doesnt make you a bad person .. my sin isnt what makes me a bad person .. its things I did while commiting the sin that make me a bad person.. its the way I felt in my heart that makes me a bad person .
@brycejacksoncvt Well, i think we will never know exactly everything that happens, or the reasons they happen, but we DO and CAN know Gods' plan through His Word. It is set out there pretty plainly. He who looks upon a woman with lust in His eyes has already committed adultery. So even thinking about sin is as bad as doing it. We are all sinners, period. Some are not better or worse than others, sin is sin and we ALL are sinners. So, get used to it, accept Gods' punishment of guilt and move on.
@brycejacksoncvt "The Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation is a Sacrament in which we are sorry for our sins, confess them to a priest, receive forgiveness for them and are reconciled with God and the Church." What a bunch of lies! No priest can forgive anyone's sins. He can't even forgive his own sins! Come to think of it, who does forgive the priests sins? Does he go to confession too? If the priest goes directly to God, then why can't you?
@kiwichristian2009 Priests go to other priests or bishops I imagine , they are after all , Catholic!!!! Anglican priests and bishop give confession to one and other too . During the sex scandels I imagine thats how some priests got away with any possible guilt they might have felt for theyre actions .. but the confession is only valid if it is meant in true and honest intention , which only God can judge . Im sure some evil men confessed every day .. and prolli wonder why they burn today
Another valuable manuscript that has never been possessed by the Roman Catholic Church is the Codex Alexandrianus. It, too, is now on exhibit in the manuscript room of the British Museum in London. It was a gift from the Patriarch of Constantinople (of the Greek Orthodox Church) to Charles I in 1628. It had been in possession of the Patriarchs for centuries and originally came from Alexandria, Egypt from which it gets its name...
@kiwichristian2009 ...Scholars are certain that this manuscript was also made in the fourth century and, along with the Codex Sinaiticus, is thought to be one of the fifty Greek Bibles commissioned to be copied by Constantine. The Old Testament books were gathered into one volume and were translated from Hebrew into Greek long before Christ came to earth
@kiwichristian2009 hahah your living in denial go do research and you will see that there is PLenty of evidence for the papacy in fact there is so much evedince even secular sourcers agree that papal lineage does come from peter
@slavicman09 I have read the Bible, my friend and it doesnt even mention the papacy, purgatory, confessionals, modern priesthood, extreme unction, the mass ( NOT the Lords Supper, the mass ), etc. Even peter NEVER refers to himself as a pope or leader.
@kiwichristian2009 again you need to read what makes doctrines infallible i can already see that statement that you gave me if it is true or not it was not declared infallible. not every word that comes from the popes mouth is infallible you need to do research stop listining to hateful sermons givin by those protostant preachers who hate the catholic church
@slavicman09 Hi my friend. Yes, i know the speal. Its only when popey specifically states "i am speaking infallible on a matter of faith and morals" that it is supposed to actually be infallible. I have never met anyone who hates the catholic church. As for me, i hate the false teachings, but not the church or you as a catholic.
@kiwichristian2009 - Well actually you have no real proof that they are false anymore then the Catholic church can prove they are the only road to Christ
@kiwichristian2009 - see and I disagree .. I think anyone that worships a singular god is actually worshiping the one true God, Creator of all seen and unseen . But they have no knowledge of Christ so they arent rejecting him .. they simply do not know the truth .
The doctrine of papal infalibility has been ruinous on a gigantic scale. The Roman Church has yet to adequately answer for the 650 year inquisition and the monstrous regimes it spawned. So long as the inquisition records remain secret the Roman Church’s guilt remains a living truth and a warning to all. The day of judgment is now surely come. I believe Pope Benedict XVI has opened this debate as a dialogue. He must therefore eventually stand trial himself as a heretic to the Roman Church.
@NovellaSardinia , lol sorry but I disagree , I dont think Benedict XVI is a heretic . Every church or religion is guilty of something really bad.. name one that isnt
God deliver us from pansy, compromised, money-hungry preachers who have turned aside after the error of Balaam. Just as Balaam misled God's people, so do pastors today harm their congregation when they fail to expose false prophets like the Pope. It is tragic that many pastors nowadays are catering to Catholics by censoring the truth, beating-around-the-bush, dipping-their-sails, and avoiding offending Catholics. Offend them for Jesus' sake!
@kiwichristian2009 im tired of arguing this becuase im saying the same thing over and over again go search up what make some teachings in the Roman Catholic church Infallible. it doesnt mean all things the catholic church does is right it only means the teachings that the Church has Claimed infallible are indeed infallible. go search the history of christianity,
@slavicman09 We all get tired of arguing, my friend. Me included. But when the holy spirit convicts me in my heart to carry on, i carry on. From what i know, there have been 2 or 3 "infallible" statements by the pope. no salvation outside the church, mary born sinless, and mary bodily assumed into heaven. My friend, and i mean that, Gods Word contradicts all three of these things in Acts4:12,Rom10:9 and 1Tim2:5 for the first,Rom3:23 for the second and John3:13 for the last one.
@iotaunam1 If this demon was really Mary the Mother of Jesus she wouldn't b calling her Son a liar!By saying that "Mary" is the "Only one that can help you" is actually saying quite bluntly that Jesus Christ the Saviour of the World cannot and will not help you!this is blatant antichristian teaching. This is just one aspect to what the demon os preaching. the same demon is doing it again in "Medjugorje" today as well. Take a look at what the demon says & then take a look at what the Bible says.
Another trap you fall into - Medjugorje is false, and for your information you are too gullible. The devil is not even appearing there, the messages are too stupid even for him, and the seers are cleary liars and con- artists,
Catholicism is the ONLY Biblical faith. I will be happy to debate this in depth by PM if you want - but I will not do what most heretics ask of me and post sentences in comment boxes in order to refute ridiculous illogical unbiblical claims.
In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety. The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.
But will then Anglicans priests ordained under this new Anglican rite of the Catholic Church still be allowed to marry? And will Anglican women who are already priests be allowed to continue to actively exert their priesthood under this rite?
there is only one church whom Jesus himself established through the rock(Peter)
and that is the Roman Catholic Church.,
the one
Holy and Apostolic Church of Christ!!!
the gates of hell would not prevail against it.,
the Church survived several attacks from her earthly tyrants faced several threat from the non believers suffered from a series divisions and schisms.,
but yet she is still standing strongly for Christ is always in his Church
@gahnz45 I actually dont disagree with anything you have said .. I dont personally BELIEVE that the Pope is infallible is all .. but Im willing to follow his rules (unless they betray my own conscience ) if it means I can maintain my Anglican identity but at the same time be in communion with all my Roman Catholic friends (most of my friends are Irish American Catholics or Abenaki born Catholics )
@gahnz45 Rubbish. Catholics claim that the present day bishops and priests in the Catholic Church are successors to the apostles, being inheritors of their power and authority. This cannot be true. The Catholic bishops and priests were not promised the power from on high nor commanded to wait in Jerusalem to receive it (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4,8). They have no authority because they are not inspired of the Holy Spirit nor are they eyewitnesses of Jesus (John 20:22-23; Acts 1:8, 21-26)...
@kiwichristian2009 And I don't know about you people the catholic is trying her best to promote christian unity,the Catholic church started its dialogue with the Orthodox churches for a unity among christians.,it seems that those like you which is so called evangelical "christians" are happy when christians quarrels each other.,
remember that Jesus prayed for the unity of his followers.,
@gahnz45 We are told in Revelations that the great whore will try to unite everyone under one world religion. And we see this prophecy trying to be fulfilled by the rcc. Yes, Jesus did pray that. At that time there were Christians, and non-Christians. Now we have Christians, catholics, muslims, jw's, baptists, anglicans, protestants, ect...
@kiwichristian2009 "FOR SUCH PEOPLE ARE FALSE APOSTLES, DECEITFUL WORKERS, WHO PRETEND AS APOSTLES OF CHRIST. AND NO WONDER, FOR EVEN SATAN PRETENDS AS ANGEL OF LIGHT. HIS MINISTERS ALSO PRETEND AS MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS(2COR11.13:14)"the bible warns about fake angels who may appear to destroy the community of Christians founded by Jesus more than 2000 years ago,then which is greater the Ancient Churches who maintained the traditions of early christians or these new born evangelical churches?
@gahnz45 to this I completely agree btw .. unity is essential for Christians and I believe this with all my heart .. but dialog must be established and maintained, for its only through discussion that we can truly unite as one single Church
@brycejacksoncvt Yeah.,we must be aware about that.,Christians should be one again as a body of Christ,.Dialogue is an essential tool for this unity,.Orthodox,Roman Catholic church and all the churches that in communion with her such as the Eastern rite and the Anglican rite,.we should set the examples for others to follow,.
@gahnz45 ... They cannot prove their authority by speaking in tongues, prophesying and working miracles (2 Cor. 12:12). They are not the chosen ambassadors who were selected to deliver God's message or "the faith" to mankind (Eph. 3:3-4; Jude 3). Moreover, they cannot be successors to the apostles and prophets because the only infallible succession to them are the inspired writings (2 Pet. 1:15; 3:1; 2 Tim. 3:14-17).
@kiwichristian2009 AMEN!I do believe in the bible,and all that it teaches us.
BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION.
you quoted some of the biblical verses from the new testament and used it against the church.the very Church who gave the bible to the world.the church exist first before it,the teachings of early Christians is more on verbal and on the scattered writings that tells about the life and teachings of the Christ.HOW DOES THE BIBLE GO AGAINST THE CHURCH WHO CREATE IT?
@gahnz45 Wrong. I do not "interpret" the Bible. The Bible interprets itself. Scripture with Scriture. You raise many points here. 1, i can prove the Bible was used prior to the your claim that the rcc "gave" it to us, so that is a lie.2,the majority was written,3,I already showed you BIBLICAL condemnations/contradictions to what your rcc believe.
You people who deny tradition, the primacy of the pope and believe in new dogmas of total apostasy are questioning the validity of the bible. WHEN WE SAY THE GOSPEL WRITTEN BY LUKE,MARK OR MATTHEW, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE ANY EVIDENCES THAT THEY WERE WRITTEN BY THEM. THESE BELIEFS ARE BASED ONLY ON TRADITIONS OF THE EARLY CHRISTIANS WHO PIONEERED THE FAITH BEFORE US.
for too long you were in the wild, we never stopped searching and calling for you, come to your brother catholics we always had our arms wide open to receive you, we never thought you would take so long, we miss you.May our prayers in unity with Jesus our Lord be answered.
England needs some tough christian faith brought back to its people. Our goverment is destroying christianity for the sake of the muslims. A news was suspended from wearing her crusifix to work. Churches have to allow gay couples to have a phot op. at he church after a civial marriage. Polish are coming to the UK for free abortion. We have lost our faith in the UK.
The One True Church is uniting. The flock that has gone astray has found its way home. What's wrong with one world religion? The Bible tells us that upon the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, he will rule the whole world for 1000 years. And everyone will be under the dominion of the true faith, or else God will deal with them accordingly.
The one true church is an organism, not an organization. It consists of everyone that has turned from sin and put their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Catholicism is paganism with the names changed to deceive.
@oreillyfan360 The Bible prophesied that satan would set up a one world government and religion through rome. The Bible also says that the one with the number 666 wil be the antichrist who runs it. Benedict IL XVI has the number DCLXVI which is 666. The Bible says that Jesus Christ Himself will defeat the antichrist and his one world empire.
Its amazing how the Protestants claim that they are being thought through the bible and yet they are made to hate others specially catholics. I grew up as catholic but I was never thought to hate protestants. Protestant preachers should learn from the examples of the saints.
olayag808 1 month ago
Nimo753 I don't think God would like your comment about anti roman Catholic! if your such a anglican Christian then why do you put comments like that!
armando1955ify 3 months ago
I LOVE ANGLICANISM AS IT IS ! IM ANTI ROMAN CATHOLIC ! SO PROUD GOD CREATED ME THAT WAY ! I
Nimo753 4 months ago
@Nimo753 I'm sorry you are so angry. May God give you the strength to heal your wounds and give you the wisdom to understand what is happening to your religious sect. The Catholic Church is our true Mother on Earth and it is time for the rebellion against it to end.
God Bless.
drdst17 3 months ago
The vatican still to this day discriminates and is not prefect, That is why I switched, but will still respect all religions as long as they respect mine....ANGLICAN
OCflip 4 months ago
Where are the Gargamacks from south park???
jaredarko 4 months ago
I think yhis would be great!
lippertism 5 months ago
Would a married Anglican convert be able to rise to the rank of bishop? Theoretically, could there be a Pope with a wife and five kids (not that there will ever be a Pope from the English-speaking world)?
trilobright 6 months ago
@trilobright No, they would only be able to be a Priest.
CatholicCreed 5 months ago
@trilobright No if you watched this video all the way through you would see that one of the stipulations for married bishops is that they must step down and be priests.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
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King Henry VIII My hero and saviour - My kids embrace you too !
Nimo753 7 months ago
King Henry VIII My hero and saviour - My kids embrace you too !
Nimo753 7 months ago
No anglican will join anyway, The Pope is nothing to us, he is a man, that is it.
He's not God, and he's not Jesus
salazar55555 8 months ago
@salazar55555 No he is not. But he is the chief apostle, and that has been held from the time of Christ through the early councils; read them and you will see. And who is the visible head of the Anglican Church? The Queen. I would sooner follow the man Peter and his successors anointed by Christ, than some royal who has absolutely no authority to execute any God given order in regards to morality or canon law.
catholicpeter 7 months ago
Rome wants you! Soon she'll be pointing her finger at everyone, saying "Rome wants you!" Don't be fooled by her lies and treachery. She is the Mother of Harlots and will be taken away by the power of God. Yet, her time to win the masses with her ecumenical message must continue a little while longer. She has a "mission": "to [restore] and [bear] witness to the unity lost at Babel." Once "peace and security" is declared, and the two-state solution is implemented, she will show no mercy.
stinkygeorgia1 9 months ago
Peter is the actual and real Bishop of Antioch.
MDIS 10 months ago
@MDIS
Who says: Jesus gave Peter the key but never showed him the way , therefore Peter is just like anybody
MrNafetalai 10 months ago
@MrNafetalai
I believe you got the wrong impression i am trying to put up here.
Peter is the real and actual Bishop of Antioch instead of being the Vicar of Christ or the first pope of the Universal Church. I never said that Jesus gave Cephas ( Peter ) the Key but never showed him the way and therefor he's like anybody else ( as you had mentioned ) .
MDIS 10 months ago
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BabyyaaSylviaaa388 11 months ago
@BabyyaaSylviaaa388
Talk to God ? Perhaps. . haha
MDIS 10 months ago
the seamless robe of Christ is torn asunder,as beneath the cross the guards rolled dice....Mother Mary stands & cries as her son is mocked & dies.....one thief taunts to mock n con,the other thief just as street-savvy as the other,says a kind-word at the right-time.And Jesus lets that un-baptized criminal into heaven & he never bothered to follow any rules like allof us nuts & fools arguing about which "Church" is the one founded by Jesus.
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tlaniganschmidt 1 year ago
Hey Asshole , Peter was not Catholic - nor was any of the Apostles - Dig more into your History were you will find that Peter died and buried in Glastonbury.There is hard evidence that Peter was Catholic -- The RCC was established ages after Peter .....so stop the crap
MrNafetalai 1 year ago
@MrNafetalai
Watch your tongue my brother <3
Go to CATHOLIC(.)COM and type in whatever it is you are having trouble believing.
UniQuEclectics 11 months ago
@UniQuEclectics
yes dad , thats what catholics expect from everyone ,you moron - you don`t have to tell me were to find resources, CATHOLIC .COM is as crap as its name moron - face the fact , Catholicsm is Pagan , brainwash others not mine.
MrNafetalai 11 months ago
@MrNafetalai
No. And I am not your father, I am a disciple of Jesus Christ and a faithful member of His Catholic (Universal) Christian Church.
UniQuEclectics 11 months ago
@UniQuEclectics
Universal is wrong too , as if God is for Catholics only . You first named Peter as being Catholic , now your naming yourself a disciple . get a life and love everyone.
MrNafetalai 11 months ago
@MrNafetalai
I love everyone <3
And no one said God is for Catholics only, if you read the CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (starting at Paragraph 811) you would NEVER say that again. Because the Church CLEARLY states that even NON-CATHOLICS CAN GO TO HEAVEN. Learn the Truth, Live the Truth, and Spread the Truth.
UniQuEclectics 11 months ago
@UniQuEclectics
Hi i went scuba diving with friends out on the barrier reef anyway , It is written in the Cathecism of course ,and left under the table . you just wrote on your previous massages that the key was given to Peter alone ( Catholic Church )
practice what you preach.and preach what you practice - that is what i call the truth.GET A LIFE
MrNafetalai 11 months ago
@MrNafetalai Hey Asshole, The death of St. Peter is attested to by Tertullian at the end of the 2nd century, and by Origen in Eusebius, Church History III.1. Origen says: "Peter was crucified at Rome with his head downwards, as he himself had desired to suffer.-WIKIPEDIA
The Anglican Church was established after the Catholic Church... so cut the crap
polgas733 5 months ago
How can Rome continue to claim to be Catholic, yet violate Canon law? This is in direct violation of laws such as the Council of Chalcedon, Canon #29, and quite a few others. Last I checked, those who do such were counted as HERETICS! Quite speaking of Protestants leaving the faith and check your Pope!
SatinB7 1 year ago
@SatinB7 For a Bishop to bear the rank of Presbyter is sacrilege. If, however, any just reason determines their removal from practice as Bishops, then neither ought they to occupy the position of Presbyter. But if for any cause than some crime they have been deprived of the dignity and office, they shall be restored to the dignity and office of the Episcopate.- canon 29< How do u see this is violating the cannon???????????
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@SatinB7 Sedevacantist, huh?
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
What an OUTRAGEOUS idea. Were no lessons learned from the Reformation? I WILL NEVER SET SO MUCH AS A MISERABLE TOE NAIL INSIDE ANY CATHOLIC 'OUTFIT'. They're ANYTHING but Christian - more like a criminal organisation....oh, wait...that's what they call the Mafia, isn't it? What are you Anglicans thinking? Has someone put something in your drinking water???
qantasCapt 1 year ago
@qantasCapt Watch your tongue, heretic. The Holy Catholic Church existed long before a group of arrogant heretics decided to change the entire Church canon, with NO authority from God to do so. It continues to exist today.
Which of the 33,000 Protestant sects do you belong to? To which heretical doctrines to you base your salvation upon? Your own? Some other fallen sinner?
Jesus founded One Church upon St. Peter, and the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.
drdst17 1 year ago 9
@drdst17 When Jesus said, "Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock, I will build my church," what language was He speaking? Peter (petrus) and Rock (petram) make a fine pun in Latin. What are the words for "Peter" and "Rock" in Aramaic? Do they sound similar in that language? As for "church" (ecclesiam), what meaning would that have had to the Jews of His time?
mindspring57 1 year ago
@drdst17 What a load of crap.
qantasCapt 1 year ago
@drdst17
"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me." - John 17:20-21
- Faithful Catholic (Universal) Christian :]
UniQuEclectics 11 months ago
@drdst17 Hell is beyond that gate , e.g sexual abuse ... that means you don`t belong on earth.
MrNafetalai 11 months ago
@drdst17
Tell that to the Pope and Vatican 2 Council.
MDIS 10 months ago
@drdst17 fuck you asshole , just fuck off Anglican bussiness....go fuck the pope JUST FUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKK OOOOOOOOOF
Nimo753 4 months ago
@Nimo753 Nice language. Maybe if your sect wasn't heretical, a huge portion of your members wouldn't be clamoring to return home to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic faith.
But go ahead and swear at me again, if it makes you feel better about yourself.
drdst17 4 months ago
@drdst17 - no point in your comment asshole ! you really have to learn what does FUCK OFF means ...and if you support your fucked POPE`S push for globalisation ....GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SIGHT 666 !
Nimo753 4 months ago
Welcome home Anglicans; Jesus is well pleased.
BibleProclaimer559 1 year ago
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@BibleProclaimer559 - It's NO home for me - nor will it EVER be.
qantasCapt 1 year ago
It's truly a sign of the times that our separated brethren are finally coming home.
bitterclinger100 1 year ago 7
@BibleBeliever994
Yep, but every statement needs a reality check.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@BibleBeliever994
And you really believe Adam & Eve were the first humans? Who never had any daughters, only sons? Of which one killed the other?
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@BibleBeliever994
I agreee, that piece from the Roman book (added much later) is a massive fail. Nice religion, isn't it, that wants us to suffer? So much compassion this "real saint" that people in pain were never given any painkillers? I never mentioned to "Missionary position". I was referring to the documentary "Hell's Angels" by Hitchens and it's not about the motor cycle gang.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@BibleBeliever994
God created everything, so therefore he also created "sin". Well, apparently, his creation wasn't so holy and righteous then. Isn't that strange? But what can I say? One needs to judge the fruit by its tree, Bible says.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@BibleBeliever994
So let it be "adultery" then. Who cares? What gives any man the right to abuse a woman in the first place? He was supposed to marry her out of love. If this marriage has no soul then in my eyes it is not valid anyway, performed by an ordained priest or not. When people remarry, the priest conducting it gets excommunicated. Apparently you people want this woman to be forever stuck in a marriage that makes her unhappy for the rest of her days.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@BibleBeliever994
So women that are unhappily married or abused by their husbands should be forced to stay in that marriage and not find a man who does care about them? And how "sacred" is such a marriage anyway if one of the partners acts selfish?
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@BibleBeliever994
I think you should join the Westboro Baptists. I can already see you holding up signs that "God hates fags". Sure he hates his own creation, right?
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@BibleBeliever994
You are one seriously mixed up person with a lot of problems . I pray for you my friend that God comes into your life.
voyager4u 1 year ago
@BibleBeliever994
Thank the Lord we do not have your kinky clergy and their vile ways. Anglican members can do without that: you need guidance and forget the Sacrements, you are not ready for them yet.
voyager4u 1 year ago
I am high anglican and have always thought of myself as catholic. and nothing else.
voyager4u 1 year ago
God bless you...and save your poor soul...
MegaArmir 1 year ago
@daz580
The beast is you that make up fake histories taken out from your imagination to mislead christians.
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
SHEEP ,BHAAAAAA
badslabber 1 year ago
Catholics will never give up trying to shut down the Anglican communion - as they have been trying for the past 1993 yrs -
MrNafetalai 1 year ago
@daz580 YAWNNNNNNNNN
singapore7773 1 year ago
50 bishops and their diosese? what?
bmccoy78 1 year ago
ST THERESE WE LOVE YOU.
FRANCECHILD 1 year ago
I guess the Vatican were rubbing their hand at the news of disgruntled anglican priests. Disgusting. All they're interested in is increasing their numbers.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1 Jesus told them to increase their numbers. U mite have missed that part
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
He never said "increase the numbers of rich people" or "increase the numbers of paedophiles".
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1 Jesus loves all people, he wills all to become catholic.
rich poor makes no difference to Jesus
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
1. He never mentioned catholic.
2. He said that it's more easy for a camel to pass thorugh the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
3. Recently the pope made 5 million with the sales of his books. Will he share it with the poor? I don't think so.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1
Then what do you think that he would do with that money... please explain.
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
I'm not an insider but the Vatican is very rich and churches have to survive on donations by the visiters. In South America they had a giant telescope built on top of a mountain. What's so spiritual about that?
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1
If the church is interested in cience people complain, if the church doesn't interest in ciencie people complain anyway...
For your information the vatican has only 1/3 of the richness of Harvard. It means that Harvard is 3 times more rich than the vatican. Has anybody wonder how is used that money?
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
Science and religion have never mixed. Even if some church officials take an interest in science, that still doesn't give them any right to invest the church's monies in it.
Your comparison to Harvard is meaningless. The wealth of the Vatican is estimated between $10 to $15 billion. That's already mighty rich. Whatever Harvard is doing with it, the Vatican is supposed to be a SPIRITUAL institution, expected to follow Jesus' ways and this is not it.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1
The administration of one country is much more expensive than 10 or 15 billion, how expensive do you think it is to administrate a world wide religious organization.
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
You really have to be kidding me big time if you even think that ANY "administration" could ever exceed 10 billion. Get real! Nice try though.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1
I dont even know from where did you get that inbformation and what do you count as expensives.
All the marble, all the gold, and the "exquisite meals" that is in the vatican is also mine too, i am the church, just like all the other bapthised catholics, and is something we gave to make our temples the most beautiful, and glorious from all the temples. Gess what we achieve that. I don't care if you feel upset because it is in the house of God and not in one rich man house.
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
You ask me where I got my information? I should be asking you that instead about administrations that exceed 10 billion because that in my estimation, is utterly ridiculous. No, I'm not upset. It's basically not my problem, but it does however eat at the Church's credibility when focusing on "glorious" appearance. And what a waste to spend it all on a "glorification of God", like He would in any way demand this. Helping people is the only right thing to do for a christian.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1
The church also help people, and has doing it for centuries but is not very interestin for the news what caritas is doing, or all the missionaries work around the world, or the educative work that also the churchs does trought his missionaries. The most known work of the church is the mission of mother teresa of calcuta in now days but is not the only one trought centuries there has been many other saints that trought his love to the poor and the peolpe show the true sanctity
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
of the church, but you and many other people are not interested in knowing what the church is doing or has done to help society and the world, like stoping wars, protecting the poor, interceding for the people in comunist countries, NO you like all the others just look into the bad christians that there are in the church and judge the whole for his dirt. entusiastic in destroing the good works of the church trought difamation, feeling righteous wile doing nothing but criticize.
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
The church is never interested in SOLVING a problem. Only with being busy with it. Otherwise it can no longer present itself as the do-gooder. Tell me, with all the millions in donations this Mother Theresa got in, how many homes she had built for the homeless and how she has tried to solve the problem of poverty. This woman who glorified poverty as a "gift from God", who had a little hospital in India with appalling hygienic conditions and unqualified staff.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1
Of curse the church is interested in solviong the world problems. Now what you say about mother theresa really says a lot about your ignorance of her life. She build a whole comunity for lepers, she gave them a job, she took care of people that nobody else did took care, she gave all the help she could give, what you are asking is just plain stupid, the work of nun is not to save the world, she did much more than you, and any person i know. Now you come complaining. Your help
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1
Theoschanel you are just usless, not only do not help anybody but also complain and feel yourself righteous wile doing notthing. What a piece of crap you are.
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
So what do you know about my helping people? You actually think you have any idea about that?
So now you're into name calling. That's a good christian! Time to have a good look in the mirror. I may not be religious, but I do believe in karma. Have a good day.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
I think you need to see Christopher Hitchen's extensive research in the video's called "Hell's Angels" on Mother Teresa. She had plenty of monies coming in to improve the conditions of her hospital that was nicknamed the death room. Dirty needles were used. Children were not sent hospital but yet she herself went abroad when she need a pacemaker.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
"she did much more than you, and any person i know"
How the hell do you know? She was in no way the only charity there in Culcutta but she just got a better press than everyone else thanks to some bloke who wrote a glorifying book about her. An ex-atheist who suddenly became a born-again christian. She had friends in high places, even some very controversial ones. "Suffering brings us closer to Jesus" she said. It says nowhere in the Bible however.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
Many nuns are now leaving the order worldwide because of the flaggalation practices, of accepting injustice and suffering like she ordered her nuns to. Australian nun Colette Livermore left the order and wrote a book about it called "Hope endures", and you say I am ignorant of Mother Therasa? There obviously are some things you didn't know about her.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1
there is no flagelation practice in the order, and even if there was flagelation practices are optional not an obligation, if many nuns are leaving is their choice as it was their choise to join the order. The life of a missionary is not for everybody, only those who love others more than they love themselves endure in the order. Their joy is to serve others if they found no joy in serving the poor and the sick, then they should never had enter into the order It was their choice
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
They are leaving because there is something wrong with the order. They joined out of a genuine calling, but found out it was not what they expected it would be. They were not allowed to love the patients. Patients were dying because the nuns had zero medical training and didn'st sterilize the needles. No person in his or her right mind could endure seeing all that unnecessary suffering. The poor and sick are much better served in the hands of real professionals.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
"there is no flagelation practice in the order, and even if there was flagelation practices are optional not an obligation"
Here you are contradicting yourself. First you deny flagalation, then you say it's optional. This information comes from an Australian ex-nun who served in the order of Mother Teresa for 11 years. If it was optional no one would do it, unless we're dealing with masochists.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
I guess that the Sistine Chapel, all the gold, the marble, the posh furniture, the Vatican Museum and the exquisite meals they're having are also part of their "administration", right?
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1
And also all that was given trought centuries to the glorification of our God. Yes the vatican for me is the most beautiful, expensive and glorious temple in all the world. And i am proud of it. I will not say the vatican is worth 10 bilion i would say the vatican is priceless. Even 10 billion seems little to me. I don care if you dont like it, but it is as it is.
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1
You might prefer that all that that you say is in the vatican, could be in some king privete colletion. Isn't it?
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
I have no business with whatever is in any king's private collection. You're just conveniently diverting from the subject at hand and making comparisons in order to try and justify something. Diverting from an institute that prides itself for doing God's work and being spiritual.
Jesus said "it's easier for a camel to crawl through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God". So neither king nor pope will enter it. That should be obvious.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
@TheosChannel1
But he also sentenced, what is impossible for man it is possible for God.
DubiaFluctuant 1 year ago
@DubiaFluctuant
Tell me why many catholic churches have to struggle to survive and count on the donations from their congragations, while the Vatican is living in luxury? I've seen many churches close down in my country. They didn't have the money to maintain it.
Jesus has said that it is more likely for a camel to crawl through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. The pope is rich, very rich, but catholic dogma states that he is representing God on earth.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
why don't you stop this nonsense???do you help the poor???
MegaArmir 1 year ago
@MegaArmir
Why is that suddenly so relevant? We are talking about the pope/Vatican. But if you really want to know, yes, I have gien to the poor, but the Vatican with all their monies is way more able to help them than we are.
TheosChannel1 1 year ago
i would sooner die (as an anglican) than join the catholic church!
canadianskye1964 1 year ago
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ynos777 1 year ago
If the Bible is a Catholic book, why does it nowhere mention the Catholic Church? Why is there no mention of a pope, a cardinal, an archbishop, a parish priest, a nun, or a member of any other Catholic order? If the Bible is a Catholic book, why is auricular confession, indulgences, prayers to the saints, adoration of Mary, veneration of relics and images, and many other rites and ceremonies of the Catholic Church, left out of it?
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 now this is a good point . I have long held that the sacraments (while having nothing anti biblical or anti christian about them ) are not always the only ways to God . The Holy Spirit works in all sorts of ways . I do admittedly give confession , but I also confess directly to God first , with the second being a way for me to mend the sin here on earth (as asking God to forgive me hopefully mends my sin in heaven )
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@brycejacksoncvt The Bible give us two ordinances, Baptism following salvation and the Lords Supper ( NOT the catholic "mass", the Lords Supper ). My friend, you said "asking God to forgive me hopefully mends my sin in heaven". The Bible says there is no need to "hope" that God mends your sins, because God Himself says when you repent and confess your sins, He will remember them no more. He is good like that! :)
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 I dont see anywhere where it condemned giving confession to a priest ... this helps us make up for the sin by taking the advice of the priest (its just advice ) and the prayers are meant for us to communicate with God so we may know what to do to make up for the sin as well . I think you have a very narrow view of what a confession is , have you ever done one ??? (not asking if you believe in its validity , just asking if you have done it and Id like a YES or NO answer please)
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@brycejacksoncvt Christ's crucifixion and resurrection was God's payment for our sins. Paul declared this in writing to the Ephesians."In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace." Only God can forgive sins and we are to go to Him directly. Mark2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? And yes, i confess to God everytime i sin.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 - you are ABSOLUTELY right. (on your first sentence ) . Priests do not forgive sins, they simply proclaim what God has already done . The confession is proof that you are indeed sorry for what you have done against God and amend to change. Your prolli a pretty good person and dont need to PROVE to anyone that your sorry. I however, have not always been a good man.. so I attend Episcopal services (Im non denominational once again) and go through confession to prove Im sorry
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@brycejacksoncvt Prove to who? God knows your heart, and as you have admitted, He remembers them no more. It seems like you are unsure of things.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 I believe I just said I was proving it to myself, but if I didnt then that was what i meant . God does know my heart so the only thing I can honestly say is that I was guided to my current spot in my Christian path by the Holy Spirit, and I honestly believe this is where Im meant to be .. goes up there with my whole re reading and re learning Christianity after my own personal revelation .
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@brycejacksoncvt "Your prolli a pretty good person". Nope. I am a dirty rotten filthy sinner and i sin every day. The only difference now is that God has forgiven me and sin no longer controls my life.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 - Then good for you .. I wish I could say the same but sin does still have a foothold in my life .. but its strength against me weakens every day and every day my life gets better as I rid myself more and more of that which burdens me (its worth noting that my confessions have been ongoing for some time, as my former sinful life has a lot of crimes against man and God that I must own up and answer for ) . Am I unsure , Absolutely .. prolli always will be
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@brycejacksoncvt No, good for God. He is doing it, not me. Sin is still part of my every day life. The severity of it rises and falls from time to time, and the guilt associated with it increasing each time, so that proves God is working in us. If you google my name you will what a dirty rotten filthy sinner i was and i am not ashamed of what and where i was. When you are in Christ, all things are new. You are a new creature.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 - lol wow dude you dont know how to take a compliment .. I was just trying to say good for you for even wanting to rid yourself of your sin .. lots of people dont .. thats all I meant . I am sorry I disagree, there is serverity of sin .. looking lustfully at your neighbors wife is NOT the same severity as a murder or child molestation .. that is just something were me and you are gonna have to differ on opinion .
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@brycejacksoncvt And who decides the severity of different sins? What is the authority you go by? My sin is still with me the same as it was when i was committing the sin. The only difference now is that God forgives it and will remember it no more. But that does not erase what I did. I know what you are trying to say, and thank you. I guess i just have an argumentative nature. :)
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 God knows understanding can ONLY be accomplished through dialog and discussion , so in that case your argumentative nature could very well be a gift from the Holy Spirit . I guess I go by my gut feeling when it comes to severity of sin ... I guess just the believe that the Holy Spirit guides me in my attempt to do God's will . But Im also a very empathetic man too so seeing the damage of sin on its victims might influence me, which I guess is a sin too .
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 - and as for Googling your name Id have to know it first
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 BUT.. I also believe that no one of Gods creation, mortal or immortal(angels) could ever conceive or know of Gods true plan or design , we simply arent meant to know . Being a sinner doesnt make you a bad person .. my sin isnt what makes me a bad person .. its things I did while commiting the sin that make me a bad person.. its the way I felt in my heart that makes me a bad person .
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@brycejacksoncvt Well, i think we will never know exactly everything that happens, or the reasons they happen, but we DO and CAN know Gods' plan through His Word. It is set out there pretty plainly. He who looks upon a woman with lust in His eyes has already committed adultery. So even thinking about sin is as bad as doing it. We are all sinners, period. Some are not better or worse than others, sin is sin and we ALL are sinners. So, get used to it, accept Gods' punishment of guilt and move on.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 and good for you for confessing when you sin ..
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@brycejacksoncvt "The Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation is a Sacrament in which we are sorry for our sins, confess them to a priest, receive forgiveness for them and are reconciled with God and the Church." What a bunch of lies! No priest can forgive anyone's sins. He can't even forgive his own sins! Come to think of it, who does forgive the priests sins? Does he go to confession too? If the priest goes directly to God, then why can't you?
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 Priests go to other priests or bishops I imagine , they are after all , Catholic!!!! Anglican priests and bishop give confession to one and other too . During the sex scandels I imagine thats how some priests got away with any possible guilt they might have felt for theyre actions .. but the confession is only valid if it is meant in true and honest intention , which only God can judge . Im sure some evil men confessed every day .. and prolli wonder why they burn today
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 - haha , i used the word "hope" somewhat loosely in this instance but you are right ... God does remember them no more .
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
Another valuable manuscript that has never been possessed by the Roman Catholic Church is the Codex Alexandrianus. It, too, is now on exhibit in the manuscript room of the British Museum in London. It was a gift from the Patriarch of Constantinople (of the Greek Orthodox Church) to Charles I in 1628. It had been in possession of the Patriarchs for centuries and originally came from Alexandria, Egypt from which it gets its name...
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 ...Scholars are certain that this manuscript was also made in the fourth century and, along with the Codex Sinaiticus, is thought to be one of the fifty Greek Bibles commissioned to be copied by Constantine. The Old Testament books were gathered into one volume and were translated from Hebrew into Greek long before Christ came to earth
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@tksmurf Amen! There is no evidence for the Papacy from Peter himself.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 hahah your living in denial go do research and you will see that there is PLenty of evidence for the papacy in fact there is so much evedince even secular sourcers agree that papal lineage does come from peter
slavicman09 1 year ago
@slavicman09 I have read the Bible, my friend and it doesnt even mention the papacy, purgatory, confessionals, modern priesthood, extreme unction, the mass ( NOT the Lords Supper, the mass ), etc. Even peter NEVER refers to himself as a pope or leader.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 again you need to read what makes doctrines infallible i can already see that statement that you gave me if it is true or not it was not declared infallible. not every word that comes from the popes mouth is infallible you need to do research stop listining to hateful sermons givin by those protostant preachers who hate the catholic church
slavicman09 1 year ago
@slavicman09 Hi my friend. Yes, i know the speal. Its only when popey specifically states "i am speaking infallible on a matter of faith and morals" that it is supposed to actually be infallible. I have never met anyone who hates the catholic church. As for me, i hate the false teachings, but not the church or you as a catholic.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 - Well actually you have no real proof that they are false anymore then the Catholic church can prove they are the only road to Christ
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@iotaunam1 I agree with you 100% my friend. allah is not the God of the Bible. It is a shame that the pope says it is.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 - see and I disagree .. I think anyone that worships a singular god is actually worshiping the one true God, Creator of all seen and unseen . But they have no knowledge of Christ so they arent rejecting him .. they simply do not know the truth .
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@tksmurf Define "protestantism", please?
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
The doctrine of papal infalibility has been ruinous on a gigantic scale. The Roman Church has yet to adequately answer for the 650 year inquisition and the monstrous regimes it spawned. So long as the inquisition records remain secret the Roman Church’s guilt remains a living truth and a warning to all. The day of judgment is now surely come. I believe Pope Benedict XVI has opened this debate as a dialogue. He must therefore eventually stand trial himself as a heretic to the Roman Church.
NovellaSardinia 1 year ago
@NovellaSardinia , lol sorry but I disagree , I dont think Benedict XVI is a heretic . Every church or religion is guilty of something really bad.. name one that isnt
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
God deliver us from pansy, compromised, money-hungry preachers who have turned aside after the error of Balaam. Just as Balaam misled God's people, so do pastors today harm their congregation when they fail to expose false prophets like the Pope. It is tragic that many pastors nowadays are catering to Catholics by censoring the truth, beating-around-the-bush, dipping-their-sails, and avoiding offending Catholics. Offend them for Jesus' sake!
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 im tired of arguing this becuase im saying the same thing over and over again go search up what make some teachings in the Roman Catholic church Infallible. it doesnt mean all things the catholic church does is right it only means the teachings that the Church has Claimed infallible are indeed infallible. go search the history of christianity,
slavicman09 1 year ago
@slavicman09 We all get tired of arguing, my friend. Me included. But when the holy spirit convicts me in my heart to carry on, i carry on. From what i know, there have been 2 or 3 "infallible" statements by the pope. no salvation outside the church, mary born sinless, and mary bodily assumed into heaven. My friend, and i mean that, Gods Word contradicts all three of these things in Acts4:12,Rom10:9 and 1Tim2:5 for the first,Rom3:23 for the second and John3:13 for the last one.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@iotaunam1 If this demon was really Mary the Mother of Jesus she wouldn't b calling her Son a liar!By saying that "Mary" is the "Only one that can help you" is actually saying quite bluntly that Jesus Christ the Saviour of the World cannot and will not help you!this is blatant antichristian teaching. This is just one aspect to what the demon os preaching. the same demon is doing it again in "Medjugorje" today as well. Take a look at what the demon says & then take a look at what the Bible says.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009
Another trap you fall into - Medjugorje is false, and for your information you are too gullible. The devil is not even appearing there, the messages are too stupid even for him, and the seers are cleary liars and con- artists,
Catholicism is the ONLY Biblical faith. I will be happy to debate this in depth by PM if you want - but I will not do what most heretics ask of me and post sentences in comment boxes in order to refute ridiculous illogical unbiblical claims.
iotaunam1 1 year ago
In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety. The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
But will then Anglicans priests ordained under this new Anglican rite of the Catholic Church still be allowed to marry? And will Anglican women who are already priests be allowed to continue to actively exert their priesthood under this rite?
skycastles79 1 year ago
there is only one church whom Jesus himself established through the rock(Peter)
and that is the Roman Catholic Church.,
the one
Holy and Apostolic Church of Christ!!!
the gates of hell would not prevail against it.,
the Church survived several attacks from her earthly tyrants faced several threat from the non believers suffered from a series divisions and schisms.,
but yet she is still standing strongly for Christ is always in his Church
THE LORD WILL NEVER FORSAKE HIS PEOPLE
gahnz45 1 year ago
@gahnz45 no idea if what you have wrote is a commentary, a condemnation or just something you felt like saying .. hope you can clarify for me
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@brycejacksoncvt its a profession.,
I do profess that the only Church is the Catholic church.,
that the spirit of God is present on her.,
and the Pope is the legitimate successor of Peter the prince of the apostle.,
and it maintained the true faith even though satan challenged her through Heresies, Schisms and threats from the infidels.,
gahnz45 1 year ago
@gahnz45 I actually dont disagree with anything you have said .. I dont personally BELIEVE that the Pope is infallible is all .. but Im willing to follow his rules (unless they betray my own conscience ) if it means I can maintain my Anglican identity but at the same time be in communion with all my Roman Catholic friends (most of my friends are Irish American Catholics or Abenaki born Catholics )
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@gahnz45 Rubbish. Catholics claim that the present day bishops and priests in the Catholic Church are successors to the apostles, being inheritors of their power and authority. This cannot be true. The Catholic bishops and priests were not promised the power from on high nor commanded to wait in Jerusalem to receive it (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4,8). They have no authority because they are not inspired of the Holy Spirit nor are they eyewitnesses of Jesus (John 20:22-23; Acts 1:8, 21-26)...
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 And I don't know about you people the catholic is trying her best to promote christian unity,the Catholic church started its dialogue with the Orthodox churches for a unity among christians.,it seems that those like you which is so called evangelical "christians" are happy when christians quarrels each other.,
remember that Jesus prayed for the unity of his followers.,
"MAY ALL BE ONE!"
gahnz45 1 year ago
@gahnz45 We are told in Revelations that the great whore will try to unite everyone under one world religion. And we see this prophecy trying to be fulfilled by the rcc. Yes, Jesus did pray that. At that time there were Christians, and non-Christians. Now we have Christians, catholics, muslims, jw's, baptists, anglicans, protestants, ect...
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 "FOR SUCH PEOPLE ARE FALSE APOSTLES, DECEITFUL WORKERS, WHO PRETEND AS APOSTLES OF CHRIST. AND NO WONDER, FOR EVEN SATAN PRETENDS AS ANGEL OF LIGHT. HIS MINISTERS ALSO PRETEND AS MINISTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS(2COR11.13:14)"the bible warns about fake angels who may appear to destroy the community of Christians founded by Jesus more than 2000 years ago,then which is greater the Ancient Churches who maintained the traditions of early christians or these new born evangelical churches?
gahnz45 1 year ago
@gahnz45 to this I completely agree btw .. unity is essential for Christians and I believe this with all my heart .. but dialog must be established and maintained, for its only through discussion that we can truly unite as one single Church
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
@brycejacksoncvt Yeah.,we must be aware about that.,Christians should be one again as a body of Christ,.Dialogue is an essential tool for this unity,.Orthodox,Roman Catholic church and all the churches that in communion with her such as the Eastern rite and the Anglican rite,.we should set the examples for others to follow,.
gahnz45 1 year ago
@gahnz45 ... They cannot prove their authority by speaking in tongues, prophesying and working miracles (2 Cor. 12:12). They are not the chosen ambassadors who were selected to deliver God's message or "the faith" to mankind (Eph. 3:3-4; Jude 3). Moreover, they cannot be successors to the apostles and prophets because the only infallible succession to them are the inspired writings (2 Pet. 1:15; 3:1; 2 Tim. 3:14-17).
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 AMEN!I do believe in the bible,and all that it teaches us.
BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION.
you quoted some of the biblical verses from the new testament and used it against the church.the very Church who gave the bible to the world.the church exist first before it,the teachings of early Christians is more on verbal and on the scattered writings that tells about the life and teachings of the Christ.HOW DOES THE BIBLE GO AGAINST THE CHURCH WHO CREATE IT?
gahnz45 1 year ago
@gahnz45 Wrong. I do not "interpret" the Bible. The Bible interprets itself. Scripture with Scriture. You raise many points here. 1, i can prove the Bible was used prior to the your claim that the rcc "gave" it to us, so that is a lie.2,the majority was written,3,I already showed you BIBLICAL condemnations/contradictions to what your rcc believe.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 NO BIBLE WITHOUT THE CHURCH
You people who deny tradition, the primacy of the pope and believe in new dogmas of total apostasy are questioning the validity of the bible. WHEN WE SAY THE GOSPEL WRITTEN BY LUKE,MARK OR MATTHEW, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE ANY EVIDENCES THAT THEY WERE WRITTEN BY THEM. THESE BELIEFS ARE BASED ONLY ON TRADITIONS OF THE EARLY CHRISTIANS WHO PIONEERED THE FAITH BEFORE US.
gahnz45 1 year ago
for too long you were in the wild, we never stopped searching and calling for you, come to your brother catholics we always had our arms wide open to receive you, we never thought you would take so long, we miss you.May our prayers in unity with Jesus our Lord be answered.
almajor2 1 year ago
Religion: it is a trivial matter that holds no importance in the long run.
JuniorDExchangecore 1 year ago
@JuniorDExchangecore - your wrong on that one .
brycejacksoncvt 1 year ago
England needs some tough christian faith brought back to its people. Our goverment is destroying christianity for the sake of the muslims. A news was suspended from wearing her crusifix to work. Churches have to allow gay couples to have a phot op. at he church after a civial marriage. Polish are coming to the UK for free abortion. We have lost our faith in the UK.
smp236520 1 year ago
satan is forming a one world religion under rome and benedict XVI is the antichrist.
gloryboundkev 1 year ago
@gloryboundkev
The One True Church is uniting. The flock that has gone astray has found its way home. What's wrong with one world religion? The Bible tells us that upon the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, he will rule the whole world for 1000 years. And everyone will be under the dominion of the true faith, or else God will deal with them accordingly.
oreillyfan360 1 year ago
@oreillyfan360
The one true church is an organism, not an organization. It consists of everyone that has turned from sin and put their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Catholicism is paganism with the names changed to deceive.
gloryboundkev 1 year ago 2
@oreillyfan360 The Bible prophesied that satan would set up a one world government and religion through rome. The Bible also says that the one with the number 666 wil be the antichrist who runs it. Benedict IL XVI has the number DCLXVI which is 666. The Bible says that Jesus Christ Himself will defeat the antichrist and his one world empire.
gloryboundkev 1 year ago
@gloryboundkev Nothing like number crunching, is there?
uranian99 1 year ago
@gloryboundkev Amen! All the signs, prophecies and attributes that God says that will identify the antichrist can be clearly seen in the pope.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago