Poor Arguments From A Polite Theist (Part 2/3) - The Atheist Experience #598

[funcpl2741054]

Im a big fan of Matt and Jen and The Atheist Experience but they did a piss poor job on this call.

[LOGIC42369]

on the free will argument: if we are being controlled by god, why does god make people be atheists?

[Phaze252]

8:50

Is amazing because he actually thought it was a riddle of some sort.

[FatherofMan25]

love 3:06 when you can see matt starting to laugh

[ChipArgyle]

At least the caller is trying to find an answer. He's willing to listen to Matt and Jen and weigh their arguments. It would be nice if all callers were this civil, but it wouldn't be nearly as entertaining as some of the other clips of AE are.

[sailornaruto39]

this guy has lost me in all his hypothetical unjustifiable irrational BS.Iam not even sure where to tackle this because he is just going hypothetical.

[CircusOfBedlam]

listening to these ridiculously stupid arguments is actually infuriating...

[wohodude100]

Good lord this guy doesn't have a fucking clue about anything! Everything he says that is his "rational proof" is just wishful thinking

[translucentorb]

He uses the infinite symbol to represent the highest number...

[Zerious0]

"why?" is religions worse enemy

[LesPaul2006]

Poor bastard. So self-deluded into believing into some supernatural bs. So incapable of embracing his own existance fully.

[AndrusPr8]

Descartes arguemnt original conclusion is not "A God exists" the original conclusion was this: "Even if i were to be deceived by an evil entity, my capability of thinking will still remain, independently of me reaching truth or fallacies. Stuff that doesn't exist have no quality, characteristic or capacity, therefore if I can think i must necessarily exist in first place."

[parkert51]

Keep repeating, I don't know, I don't know........stupid theist!

[GreyLabyrinthine]

"... and therefore ravioli have always been blue on the inside, except for the ones they knew you'd cut open and look into - those are reddish-grey, of course - and birds can't fly backwards, ever, even if my fridge wanted them to. Q.E.D."

[Kailoa36]

Brooks: "I know I'm a horrible arguer here..." Well, you might be better at arguing your ideas if they were remotely coherent. That is what is giving you so much trouble. It's not that you suck , it is just that your incoherent ideas suck.

[pburto]

Theists: Go ahead and ask God how he made planets and trees. Maybe he can't explain it to you, but surely HE understands how he makes planets and such. There are two possibilities:

1) God uses science. It may be very sophisticated science, but he nonetheless, methods within a construct of physics, matter, and energy.

2) God makes things simply by willing them into existence, such as by uttering the words "Let there be light".

If you believe #2: Is it really anything more than magic?

[pburto]

Why Pascal's wager doesn't work:

It's not possible to "decide to believe" anything. If an idea is contrary to your logical thinking, you can't decide "It may not be logical, but to hedge my bets, I'm going to convince myself contrary to logic."

I'd LOVE to have eternal life. But since it doesn't seem to exist, even if there's a 1% chance, and even if I can only get eternal life by believing, I still couldn't make myself believe that it's probable. Not without psychotropic drugs anyway.

[k1llk1ngph30n1x]

He completely misunderstood Cartesian doubt. It's not an argument for GOD's existence! It's for YOUR existence! He was assuming God's existence and used that as a "for instance". "If I am dreaming/deceived (by God or a powerful demon), then my beliefs are unreliable." He goes on to say, "However, no God or demon, however powerful, could convince that I exist, if I do not." (paraphrasing of course)

[animalcrosser591]

That was so dumb, it crashed my computer.

[garkasha]

this guy sounds like Mr. Flanders from the simpson's

[hardinmichael1981]

"...ho ho ho, It's Magic, You Know, Never believe it's not so..." - 70's rock band "PILOT"

[asajdera3]

75 tards

[technopagan724]

Infinity does exist, though. Along a meter stick there ARE an (uncountably) infinite number of points that actually do exist. Now one could argue, well the notion of "point" as an abstract geometrical construct, but the fact of that matter is that I could position my finger at any one of these infinite number of points and say, there's a point (and if you want to be more accurate, I could say that I'm using the point on my finger that is a millimeter down from the topmost point)...

[technopagan724]

@technopagan724 ...now it is possible to argue quantum physics and say that space (really spacetime) is quantized and that there really ARE a finite number of space-quanta along the meter stick, but this has not really been proven and is neither here nor there, the point is that even though we live in a finite universe does not mean that infinities do not exist within that finite region. For ex. if u lived long enough u could traverse an infinite distance by continually circling a finite region.

[KokotTheMonkey]

"I suck at arguing." Then why the hell did you call in to the show?

[blackplatypus]

I love Jen's giggle at 1:27

[o0smokingmonk0o]

this guy makes me want to get really high and then call the line!

[P0weredByPie]

Are theists the most gullible people on the planet? Are they the ones replying to penis extension spams and falling for 419 scams?

Why is it that questions have to be plugged up with ANY answer? Why is supplying an answer to something more important than arriving at correctness or truth?

AND, more mysteriously, when there are 2 competing theories, why do they reject the scientific ones and prefer the supernatural?

Could someone analyse the theistic brain and develop a cure, PLEASE?

[PullyElbow27]

@P0weredByPie The only cure to theism is to stop indoctrination and to improve our education systems.

[Oct195]

This guy is 100% correct.

He really is a horrible arguer.

[destronia123]

This guy proves he's incapable of free or even rational thinking.

[1aaronaaron1]

hahaa smoothest transition into the first cause argument of all time

[JustusFriedolin]

my face when the last part is banned in my country

:- (((((((((

[jamesiscool24]

hahaha i love when the guy keeps repeating what matt is saying. these aren't the droids you're looking for....

[Frostbite12211983]

I'm surprised that Matt didn't ask if there was an echo in the room when the caller kept repeating everything they said in question form.

[viruscauser]

The ratings for this video seem to have suffered an attack from the Soldiers of the God of the Gaps. Therefore it proves that there is a God? But of course it does!!! If there was no God, there would be no God's Soldiers and therefore no attack on this videos ratings!!! Wow. The attackers, by attacking, just proved the existence of God.

[kalyoub]

i like him he's nice on the show and at least he admits he can't argue well.

[Desus47]

what is this i don't even

[mythinktube]

this guy's a poor victim of Pascal's wager... religion really thought of almost everything when they pieced this crap together

[Zralf]

it's nice to see a caller that was smart enough to actually discuss this, rather then the usual "lawd is there and im right"

[LordBLB]

8:43 OWNED

[tml4873]

This guy is the king of non sequitur.

[izzet2006]

why i hate metaphysics.

[nonoxynol]

lol Jen mouth is foul!!!

[etlamortavous]

this guy is just trying to mix decartes meditations with pascal's wager...

and is doing a horrible job at it

[wikuk]

6:36 MAJOR FAIL :P

[birdbrainZ]

This caller is incoherent...

[jfinite]

Oh...my...god.

Oh yeah, he doesn't exist.

[newcoyote]

I'd like to know how this guy even figured out how to use a phone. His friend must have dialed for him.

[urantivirus]

@newcoyote

Yeah, I don't know how this guy could have figured out how to use a phone either. Therefor the only logical explanation is that God dialed the phone for him. Him calling the show is proof of God. lol

[Acrimonator]

It's like he's convinced that aligning good sounding words is enough to maek sense... Wich is not the case...

[maxdecimus88]

this guy from tennessee is a WASTE OF BANDWIDTH and a waste of TIME; and deanommamad i thumbed down all your comments because you are spamming nonsense.. make a clear and conscice point PLEASE !

[secularenegadether]

A good introduction for new atheists nonetheless

[deanommamad]

why does youtube want you to write a comment, then you have to restrict that comment,,500 characters,it seems i need to write a comment then disect it to make fit in the comment box,strange catch a grip,,,

[deanommamad]

is run by a former nazi of whatever scale he claimed to be,,still nazi,,thats how you do it,,wake up,,a nazi roman catholic belief system,,is there anything i am missing here,is the world really that ignorant

[deanommamad]

mean a former nazi running the biggest mess of religion that was built on fear,and only fear yeah the nazis are back and the roman catholic church,

[deanommamad]

,then my free will is bieng discarded by youtube,,thanks youtube for bieng understanding to all,yeah right,,the pope can spout his bull shit and i cant comment on that bullshit,,i

[deanommamad]

i wonder why i cant leave a comment on the the biggest leaders and followers of bullshit,, the pope ,,the holy roman catholic church,,is it scared of my comments for bieng the written word,makes sense since words scare these halfwits

[deanommamad]

,your videos are quality keep it going,,we should have a common sense showing through soon,i hope,,

[deanommamad]

if you think this is true about this GOD that i personally think was a story to begin with,and like all storie,s that makes no sense,should stay only stories,not world changing phenomonon that has quite simply degraded all human kind from the start,yeah believe that if you want,dont try to change myself or my children,their children{my grandchildren} should be living in a world free of these rediculous people and their beliefs,,keep them,i am not interested,

[deanommamad]

dont worry folks,,i hope one day people of the world WAKE UP, come on,if you believe anything thing in the bible,there must be something wrong with you,,

[alexander33345]

I think therfore GOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDD!!!!!!!

[Acrimonator]

You missed the caller point, iit's rather "I can't think therefore god"

[lollard]

This guy is trying to regurgitate an argument that was made my Descartes for the existence of God which has long been considered in the field of Philosophy as a joke. Unfortunately, he doesn't even understand it.

[TheDeadApple]

What is this man rambaling about?

Nice =/= smart

[Staunts]

This guy is such a train wreck of pseudo intellectual pleading for god. It's not even necesarily that he's a jerk or anything, he just doesnt understand what he's talking about.

[Gerafix]

Apparently you can prove god by throwing pencils at walls. He should have told somebody sooner!!!

[puffadderbite]

god controls everything,..the same way he controlled Jeffery Domber to kill and eat bodys. Deluded caller.

[deadweaselroad]

Why do stupid people not know that they're stupid?

[KiddKapo]

because your a fag

[silverstream314]

What a great way to show the strength of your arguments. You can't even use the correct 'you're'...

[KiddKapo]

dude its a fucking computer i dont have to put a colan after the fucking word and i wasnt trying to argue with anybody you dumb fuck i was just telling the truth

[ColoradoMikeyS]

"i dont have to put a colan after the fucking word"

Actually it's called an apostrophe and not a colon.

[KiddKapo]

dude i dont give a damn what its called

[Bismarkd34]

It's a logical loop. The reason is that they are too stupid to recognize anything which extends beyond their current level of stupidity. he he he hehe

[mattywash]

all this guy does is repeat what they say and then make a point that doesn't even link. WHY IS THIS GUY ON FOR SO LONG!!!

[yamimakaiz]

this whole conversation was like

-i don't know, therefore i know that god did it

-how do you know that?

-i have a limit to my knowledge, therefore i don't know, therefore i know that god did it

[ClumsyRoot]

Is there such a thing as Existential Insecurity Syndrome? Because this guy's got it, and bad.

[artyfarty2]

Look at the stats, this vid is being vote botted

[silverstream314]

All of my videos were vote botted three weeks ago.

[boorens18]

"You haven't proven anything..."

"Oh I haven't proven anything? hm"

Lolz rambling fail..... Can tell already that usually he just keeps saying rambling crap until the person agrees to let it slide.

[christianzcome2islam]

he is polite, nice guy

[Y0ts0]

this guy is really not smart

[cubencis]

this caller is so unbelievably stupid, idk y the poster qualifies it with him being 'polite'.... its horrible listening to him

[freqmart]

Good caller, he may not quite know how to use his critical thinking, but he is well mannered, and he admits he doesn't really know what he's doing several times. And he listened.

[SayYesToReason]

It simply baffles me how baffled most people really are. Wow.

[jlzkcarlos]

I wish I could take you guys/gals with me to some family gatherings. It would be so wonderful.

Love to all of you. And thanks for letting me know there are so many like me out there. Jen, in West Virginia (!)

[gisbrei]

Love to you too Jen from West Virginia

[cannibalgourmet]

There are plenty of things that we don't know yet, that doesn't mean "god did it". At one time people didn't know what caused rainbows or lightning and they were considered proof of god.

[ColoradoMikeyS]

Where do they find these religitards?

[C0ldhead]

They call in themselves

[ColoradoMikeyS]

I'm surprised religious people can operate the phone, since it employs Satan science.

[SpiritualBrotherG]

we dont say that satan is science

[ameldia]

because that would make the assumption that Satan exists. and if thats the case then the "Children of god" are reliant on him. which makes an lul-worthy argument.

[Zombie1990]

Jehovas witness' do. Trust me, its "an outside influence."

[banonKING]

I believe this guy's best statement was admitting he is a "puppet". Hard to argue against that for him.

[CHVNX]

"That's Pascal's wager. That's bullshit."

[Abgef]

so true..

[tattooskin72]

The background they have on Matt at the beginning is so hilarious.

And yes, this caller is interesting ;)

[ArranoGris]

Wow he's really hitting all the worst, most typical arguments isn't he? Pascal, Ontological, etc....

[ArranoGris]

Why did they let him get away with this "limits to knowledge crap?" Just because there are things that aren't known doesn't mean there is a LIMIT. You guys caught him on this in the first video, but let him slip it in later.