If its not temperature, it could be the density of the air, the local speed of light through air is dependent on air density, and that can also change in a daily cycle. I think temperature is the most likely explanation, but if you rule that out, you need to take a look at air pressure. For a quick experiment to see approximately how big that effect could be, just blow some hydrogen/helium (or a very heavy gas instead of a light one) through one of the beams and watch the pattern.
Another way to see if temperature or some other effect is responsible for the shift, or if its really aether, would be to wait half a year inbetween experiments. Then earth is moving in the opposite direction, and if aether exists, the daytime-effect should be reversed after half a year and get back to normal after a full year.
But i think you did design the MOST COMPLEX thermometer i have ever seen, thats my best guess.
The shift in the horizontal setup is with certainty beyond reasonable doubt induced by gravity. So its Gravity bending your equipment, your newer designs appear to be much more sturdy / solid, more rigidly constructed.
The effect induced by the time of day could be due to changes in temperature, as temperature affects hardness of materials. Try a constant-temperature environment, or measure the temperature and see if it fits the other data.
You are totally wrong with your conclusions about experiment 2. It only shows that the materials you used do not have infinite hardness, and are deformed by gravity in the nanometer scale, just as any good experimentalist would expect.
The way to do it vertically is to have the apparatus perfectly static, and use the fact that earth rotates (through existent or nonexistent aether). Have it static and watch for 24 hours. Your mistake causes a gravity-induced error and invalidates experiment 2.
Very good, i always thing that we can have an effect whith vertical arms .. When you change at the end the position of the interferometer , what do you want to show ? That it is not a question of deforming the arms because gravity . ?
Your observation is correct. Gravity bends the apparatus in experiment 2, and induces an error that invalidates the whole experiment 2 when it comes to the existence or non-existence of aether. The guy in the video is missing the obvious, and is arriving at wrong conclusions, based on the implicit assumption that the materials he used are of infinite hardness. The experiment only disproves his wrong implied assumption that the materials he used are of infinite hardness.
re. that original experiment & any idiot believing it - the aether is real, you're idiots, you knew you were lying when you set that shit up, and dark flow-matter-energy is just your sad way of trying to bring the aethers back without actually admitting how tarded and wrong you are. Tesla was right, you're wrong, admit it.
Well done. It appears you are measuring the relativistic change in time dilation within a gravitational field. Time will always move slower for you the closer you are to the ground, and so, the frequency of the above mirror will always be faster than the one below. When they reach equilibrium and then turn back, the upper mirror is now the lower mirror and the process will repeat itself.
Very excellent demonstration of this concept. Had M&M had this, they might have discovered relativity.
As PowerPak8 shows in his demonstration of a near null result for the vertical rotation that the issue is mechanical shifts do to gravity perhaps in the breamsplitter. I'd dare the person to re-perform his experiment with better controls on the stability of his setup to see if the fringe shift count of 10-11 fringes goes up or down with repeated tries. It more then lightly will go down when tighter tolerances are made on his equipment.
PowerPak8 shows that perhaps his beamsplitter is slipping in the mount slightly do to gravity pulling down on it causing a fringe shift by changing the optical path length a few wavelengths through the beamsplitter plate most lightly. It could also be a slip elsewhere You are talking about alignment errors of microns here, and most ppl who haven't messed with physical optics experiments haven't seen how sensitive interferometers can be to noise or shifts of a few wavelengths on order of microns.
this is the reason you should leave science to scientists the gravity is affecting the components, the beam splitter is extremly sensitive. furthermore, in science you should be able to repeat the experiment and get the exact same result. as proved by frank piers, it doesnt happen if you secure the components of the interferometer youtube.com/user/Powerpak8#p/u
sorry to break your dreams, this is how science works
@sk8hack Don't leave science to the scientists. I am sure we all will learn more about nature when we've found an explanation for his observations, and attempted new experiments to verify them. Rutherford is a great example to follow: just do the experiments and figure things out later, recording anything odd you see.
@jg394 You say " I am sure we all will learn more about nature when we've found an explanation for his observations". Wrong, Powerpak repeated the experiment and found nothing, so this experiment does not show anything, no need to explain anything, clearly there is a problem with the experiment and that's why I say leave science to scientists. Amateurs, by posting faulty experiments encourage regular people to believe that science is wrong, and that there should be some mystical explanation.
There SHOULD be no change in the fringe patterns in either verticle or horizontal rotations of the Michelson Morely experiment. However, it could be possible that we are experiencing Lorentz contractions as the earth's mass effects the photons wave pattern as the "acceleration" of earths distortion of space-time may also impact the distance being travelled by the quanta of photons. This may possibly explain the change in the interference fringes that occur.
fuck, this is amazing...In my opinion it is easyly explainable, but in order to explain one must realize that light can actually slow down and that c isn't constant....the average speed you can reach from point A to B and back is c...but that doesn't say v(A->B)=v(B->A) the light slows down according to v=g*t²
@stevenkDE light is not affected by gravity, IT DOESN'T HAVE MASS. space time curvature causes photons to redshift but that effect is not observed here
@stevenkDE sorry, photons are masless gauge bosons, the only bosons that can acquire mass thru the higghs mechanism are W and Z bosons, the effect of gravity on photons (curvature of its trajectory and change in frequency) is NOT due to their mass but because they travel the shortest path in space-time which can be modified by a gravitational field
@sk8hack Then why can light not escape the black hole. Light is definitely affected by gravity. I think what we are seeing is the affect on spin of the photon in relation to the gravity source.
@Phibins the implications are as follows: you can build a flying saucer and go to any place in the universe, there would be no more poverty on our planet, we can create life in infinite forms and we would have unlimited power forever. The Aether is ancient and forever new!
You can easily check for flex bending of the mirrors and arms by adding some extra dead lead weight to the arms and mirror mounts, and seeing how much it changes the result. (used enough weight about equal to existing weight)
Simply, I have finished "Einstein's unfinished symphony", in my latest paper, which is already published in the form of a (mini) book titled; "The Last Chapter of the Symphony of Existence / The Super Unified Field Theory"
where this experiment had been proposed, and fully explained. Scientists especially those of LIGO and CERN are fully informed by this theory. I am ready to upload this book to any well known site you will propose.
facebook.com/pages/Unified-Vorticii-Theory-UVT-by-Anton-Kole/102745859787252 if you wish to read further, on some new potential advances on the aether theory.
I gave an example where lasers at different altitudes are adjusted, a laser in a deep valley is tuned to a higher frequency than a laser on top of the tallest peak, all so that at one location all lasers appear to be in frequency sync despite gravity redshift, but another thing it does is make lasers more like pedulum clocks. Typical twin paradox setup favors light-clocks over mechanical ones, so the travelling twin B ages slower than A, despite B's pedulum clock showing the opposite of this.
A problem with MM's setup is the light goes both directions, in and out, along both arms, thus ideally it can't see gravitational red- or blue-shift, they cancel, so it can't track any phase shifting accompanying any red- or blue-shift, if gravity-lensing became strong enough to bend the beam out of line, it just stops working. If light somehow slowed going out, the speed-up on return would cancel out for detection. Not saying SR's wrong, just don't see where MM's experiment supports it clearly.
With tight BH orbits there's different physics due to large lateral gradient that SR doesn't cover and GR doesn't explain but seems to accomodate, but there's no pair production SR rate dilation that scales down to non-SR speeds, no pair-production GR rate dilation scaling to lower gradients; it seems to be a gradient threshold-cutoff matter.
I mentioned SR and GR below, with the scenario of laser frequencies being manually increased where gravity is strongest to match the relative pace of gravity-driven events, including pendulum cycles, and produce a reference point where all lasers show the same freq, to bring in SR dilates/contracts separately. SR seems more relevant if the pace of local gravity-driven events is on the BH-border-scale of gravity strength. Tight BH orbit is max dilation, but sees max lateral gravity gradient.
If every location has a different frequency of laser associated with it so that at some reference point all the lasers appear to have equal frequency, then maybe all lasers keep track with the pace of gravity-driven local events, tho the frequency adjustments depend on gravity strength at the reference point if it's to see the same freq number from all regardless of reference point.
Without relative laser moves, SR's irrelevant (ideally independent), no contraction or freq change is needed.
It seems gravity speeds the pace of physics events up in the same places where GR is saying clocks are slowing, and maybe this prompts people to talk about how time almost stops for someone falling into a BH thus they experience nothing strange, yet anyone can see life on the accretion ring is a burn-up process, so maybe some brighter person tries to use string theory to obtain the best of both worlds, to have one's BH and eat it. That can't be where physics stands, I suppose.
Seems GR claims laser light from a location of zero-G has the highest apparent frequency (upper limit) compared to all other identical lasers coming from other places. There's no finite maximum gravity potential in GR, it puts no low limit on negative frequency-shift. One odd thing to me is that pendulum clocks run slower with less gravity, nonetheless more gravity would slow people down, yet it seems to me they'd also age quicker, maybe experiencing more frequently events having more impact.
Special relativity indicates the speed of light doesn't change even when general relativity indicates there is frequency shifting. I'm not entirely sure what the point of MM's interferometer, which you've basically duplicated, really is. MM's setup is strange because ideally it won't even measure redshift. If one can change frequency without changing speed seems there's still a loss in bandwidth, centrally-synched clock differences build between different altitudes, without even any movement.
I see you were later able to reduce the number of wavecycles in the shift. Neat experiment. I was thinking if you built the thing on the same scale as Pound-Rebka's gravitational redshift experiment, the shift might reduce the efficiency of the tuned system. For example, if beam-splitters specifically designed for 532nm are used, there could be gravitationally-generated loss.
About the second experiment; Perhaps the arm of your interferometer is elastic and is deforming. You should repeat your experiment using different arm materials.
This is an absolutely fanatastic video! Having worked with RLGs most of my career, I would have attributed these results to the Sagnac effect. However, the two laser paths are NOT counter rotating, therefore there is no PL differential. I would like to see an experiment with the same setup, but with the assembly rotating in the ROLL axis to see if there is a fringe sensitivity where the longer PL is parallel w/ the gravity vector.
Excellent work my friend. Long live Nikola Tesla and Empirical science!
“Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine.” - Nikola Tesla.
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This is not the Sagnac effect - if it were the effect would be seen in horizontal rotation as well. This remarkably elegant apparatus magnifies the optical wavelength of the laser to allow the tiny effect of gravitational redshift and blueshift to be visible to the naked eye. This experiment is first rate. Another experiment in ‘benchtop General Relativity’ has recently been conducted on time dilation, using high-precision atomic clocks placed only one foot above the other.
"But why would the effect be seen only on the vertical plane and not the horizontal?"
Gravity. Either you work on the wrong assumption that the materials used have infinite hardness, or you would expect just what is seen in the video based on the fact that gravity bends the apparatus in the nanometer scale. Check my other comments to see how its done correctly in a vertical setup.
According to Martin Grusenick the spatial distribution & dynamics of the fringe patterns are temporal functions of the Earth's rotation. The Earth's geomagnetic field (GMF) is offset approximately 11.5 degrees from the rotation plane of the Earth; the rotation plane itself is approximately 23.5 degs offset from this planet's orbital ecliptic. The 11.5 degree GMF offset is moving toward zenith (north pole) continually. The 11.5 degs from the experimental room's vertical = GMF 11.5.
This experiment can be explained in terms of the deformation of the equipment. The horizontal rotation does not give much deformation of the equipment, while the vertical one probably deforms the equipment on the order of the wavelength of the light beam. There may not be nothing mysterious.
@faccioco There is no noticeable, detectable or even relevant strain on the mirrors for this type of experiment on this scale caused by their own weight. They are perfectly firm as far as their mass is concerned relative to their size. (attaching sensors to the mirrors shouldn't be that difficult). This is the one of most important discoveries in human history for the past 200 years and you are trying to dismiss its importance based on a flawed assumption.
@jatigre1 Hi! I am not talking about the deformation of the mirror, but that of the arm.
Another explanation is the gravitational red shift, but this is too small to explain your large shift of the pattern. In my opinion, this experiment is interesting to measure the deformation of the material. If you employ arms made by harder/softer material, I expect the magnitude of the shift would be changed. I suggest you to write a paper to submit any physics journal to convince referees. Regards
Hi. To rule out a lot of the skepticism, all Martin would need to do is to turn the machine around on the floor to face the other way (180 degrees) and then to run the experiment again. This will determine if the zero point happens at a constant direction or if it is just relative to the device (ie, if the zero point is still pointing to the same wall of the house after he turns it around, then the device is detecting a constant direction).
So, there is an aether after all. Naturally there is. Else how could radio and light propagate? You couldn't have waves of nothing. Radio waves and light waves, which are the same phenomenon at different frequencies, must be waves of something. That something is the aether. I propose that the aether consists of photons filling all of space and that light waves and radio waves are pressure waves in the photonic aether.
@rjhuntington You have an interesting point about the contents of the ether. I don't think it can be said that this experiment proves there is an a/ether. There may be other factors causing the effect and we can't just jump to conclusions (like they might have done >100 years ago). The ether theory can be disproved by stellar aberration, so your conclusion is inconsistent with other experiments.I don't the need for an ether for photon propagation but I think your chain of thought needs exploring
There actually are a number of ether-drift experiments showing positive results. Notable among them are the findings of Dayton Miller back in the 1930s, and more recently Yuri Galaev from the Radiophysics Institute of the Ukraine. The citations with pdf downloads are here:
@5rrt445 Probably longitudinally since the time of day is having an impact upon it. Good question since there is the issue of the N-S magnetic field on the Earth.
I wonder, in the second experiment, if the observed shift can be explained simply by flexure of the optical bench. I admit, I would have expected such discrepancies to arise at the 6 o'clock and 9 o'clock positions, but I have not thought deeply about this for long. However, this is a nicely built apparatus - I anticipate further studies.
Note that there are two positions only where a change in direction occurs, at 45 degrees and 225 degrees, exactly where Mr. Grusenick found them, exactly at the max path difference, and exactly where a maximum negative correlation occurs.
My apology, let me correct my prior statement: Martin's zero point matches a perfect negative (not zero) correlation in the two paths (one path is above horizontal, the other below), while the complement on the other side of vertical matches a positive correlation (the two paths are identical). This is a perfect match to a vertical gradient, i.e., difference in the two paths.
The methodology of vertical rotation is original and showing something very important that should be analyzed. This opens a new opportunity for solving of 100 years enigma.
Well, 11 shifts is quite a lot, actually, and the reduction after design revision considerable. It is quite possible that stress has in fact magnified results which are fundamentally legitimate. I'd like to hear more about Martin's latest results along those lines.
Again. Look again! Why NO zero point at 90 deg offset->where the paths are equal? Look again. Your zero point matches paths that pass through opposite gradients? If due to strain, the effect would not repeatedly match the maximum path difference. The zero point matches zero correlation for the two paths at ONLY 2 points 180 deg apart.
Ok, I'm on to it, but be patient for the perfect answer, which I believe I can dig out by comparing in to the "gradient wheel" concept in my stat theorem. Meanwhile, the answer to why a zero point at the one diagonal but NOT for it's complement is THIS - take a good look at your example, zero point HERE, but NOT HERE! The ZERO point is when one beam travels above the mirror in BOTH directions, while the other travels BELOW the mirror in both? Ok, rest of answer in next comment...
SO! "Why NO zero point here" at the complementary angle? Look at the 2 paths. Each travels the same, both legs of each beam are below the mirror. Ok, you'd think this should be a zero point because the two paths are the same, but the movement depends on correlation between points in the gradient - 100% when paths are equal, 0% when they are 90% out of synch. That is what my stat theorem proves, if you can grasp the concept. There's the correct answer, glad I could be here when you needed me.
@cusanusnicolas my bad, sorry, instead of complement, I should have said "counterpart from vertical" ... anyway, this is NOT due to strain or artifact of design. Martin has it right. A zero % correlation along the two paths is zero point, while vertically opposite that angle, 100% correlation is maximum movement. See my theorem, please.
Ok, thought I could see why the zero point is 45 degrees offset of vertical. But now I do NOT understand why it only occurs on one 180 deg line and not the other. I'm sure it has to do with your design and gravitational time delay, but I have to ask what happens when you face the apparatus in the opposite direction? If the zero point is now at right angles to the other direction, then it's simply an artifact of your design. Answer me if you can. I'll study this more in the meantime.
One thing to say, the shift reversal should take place at straight up/down, so there is some kind of misalignment in your paths. This is the same effect as 1 of 2 vectors in starlight deflection, namely time delay / gravitation. You don't see a frequency shift as seen by Pound and Rebka because that cancels out on the return path. Hope this helps, I'm quite sure of it.
A thousand stars, Einstein! This is EXACTLY what I was looking for and had surmised must be the case when writing two sections on relativity in my statistics theorem - great job! You can read these sections if you like, go to the Website link on my profile - look for sidebar links on the left to these. Wow, can't believe it!
@sonofnorth666 Oh, baby! This is exactly what I've been trying to say for years, and here it is, God still loves me after all! And I love the guy who did this, absolutely wonderful - read my paper. Just simple time delay, that's all, but to see it so well!
"Psyence" taught in schools like: string theory, gravitons, quantum quackery etc.. is dead. The days of these lame theories has reached it's end. Nothing of value may be constructed upon the devious foundations of the corporate controlled academic "Psyence".
We are in the last days of the crumbling paradigm owned by the energy barons, war mongers and their central bankers.
A heroic effort my friend! See Frank Chester for the last nail in the academic coffin!
@77GSlinger i think you'd love my commentary on relativity - 2 sections in my stat theorem, look at left sidebar for these - link using the webpage on my profile! Thanks for a great comment, my friend, we are brothers.
For those willing to leave a comment here... Don't even bother trying to explain this without the Aether Model. Do not waste anyone's time. There is no such thing as gravity. There's only the Aether and the perfect geometry of space itself. Tesla knew it, and now you're begging to know it too!
Well said. Only we need a new concept of the ether which is not like that of the 17-19th century theories regarding it.
Walter Russell gave us a Cosmology which explains the ether without the indivisible ball bearings which the early theorists tried to "reduce" the concept too.
@77GSlinger Study Tesla, and the obscure researchers who followed up on his work like Donald Smith. There's actually a decent bit of info out there on this topic. The Russians cover it the most of modern groups from what I've seen. Tesla's theories regarding aether were probably the best to have been written about. Look up his lectures on high frequency current.
Observation: Beams both at 45 degrees from earth gravity field are in phase and give no deflection, other a-symetrical angles make phase delay in one and phase advance in the other beam the same amount, shifting the fringes but not changing pattern as people expecting. My conclusion, it is a graviton phase detector, forget the eatherwind.
Dear Martin, I have seen your latest model and I am now convinced that it is mechanically OK. However it does not mean that what you are measuring is not gravity. In the string theory gravitons are suggested for carying gravitation force, so perhaps your setup is a kind of graviton detector.
The daily changes can be introduced by the position of sun and moon.
Interresting measurements would be the effects during sun or moon eclipes!
Use slids and fotodetectors to record long experiments.
Dear Martin, I have seen your latest model and I am now convinced that it is mechanically OK. However it does not mean that what you are measuring is not gravity. In the string theory gravitons are suggested for carying gravitation force, so perhaps your setup is a kind of graviton detector.
The daily changes can be introduced by the position of sun and moon.
Interresting measurements would be the effects during sun or moon eclipes!
Use slids and fotodetectors to record long experiments.
If my explanation is correct, then number of moved fringes depends on distance between mirror and splitter: Increased distance causes higher number of moved fringes. It would be nice to check.
Distance from splitter to the reflection plane in the local (beam's) ref. frame varies; it gets shorter when plane descends. As the platform rotates beams pass different space-time paths causing fringes to shuttle.
Michelson and Morley had to put apparatus float in the mercury basin and got equal almost inertial frames (grav. influence symmetrical).
Great and simple way to show space-time deformation in grav. field thus confirming general theory of relativity in the lab.
Nice experiment! please check if the interference is affected bij rotation speed, can be done horizontally (static response) or vertically (dynamic response) to rule out the aforementioned mechanical instability.
If there is no correlation, you should go for Noble prize!
At any point in the rotation at which the beam-splitter is not horizontal with Earth's surface, one beam would be more in-line with the gravity field vector and the other would be less in-line with the gravity field vector. When the beam-splitter is horizontal, each beam is at 45 degrees to the gravitational field vector, which might explain the reversal in fringe drift at this point. This is especially true if gravity is an electromagnetic phenomenon in a non-aether non space-time Universe.
As maitland1007 says, my first thought was also "maybe the apparatus is distorting under gravitational forces as it rotates". I am not sure how you can check on this, but some calculations could be done to see how much the materials might be bending. Perhaps it is possible to make a design that counteracts any such distortions by the way it is supported.
This experiment has far more implications and is far more powerful than anything I have ever seen before. Its elegant, simplistic and yet complex, AND its easy to replicate. It basically explains what cause the lines (which no one has bothered asking why there are lines there and what causes them to interfere in the first place! Always with that photon duality BS!). And as far as I can tell, this proves what Tesla was doing in his last 40 years of research. The Luminiferous Aether
@Gaiacarra The MM apparatus was horizontal ONLY, while there should be a shift due to gravitational time delay. Also, even though the results have been always reported as null, they real data was in fact NOT null. There were consistent diurnal and other shifts, just as reported here. I've been griping about this myself for years - if the MM apparatus was tipped, there should have been a fringe shift.
@MaryStewart Why do you say Tesla's a crackpot? Tesla invented alternating current. Tesla invented radio. Tesla invented fluorescent lighting. Why do you call him a crackpot?
@rjhuntington Because she's either disingenuous, or she's giving a pavlovian conditioned attitudinal response. It's probably the latter simply because academia has created a serious filter on what knowledge people acquire in their settings. And few students have free time to do additional research. So they never get exposed to anything outside of the classroom and when things contradict what they learned in class at their "esteemed" institution, they adhere to the latter.
@Ashitakaandsan I've always tried very hard to see things with out biases or emotional influence. At my current age, I humbly think that I have a lot to offer those who would listen, and those are the same people whom I can learn a lot from, since they are clearly open minded, and insights typically come from that kind of mentality. For all the people who don't listen, getting a response such as yours makes putting the effort into typing up observations worth it. Thank you :).
@jatigre1 This experiment validates the entire eather model of physics. Particle theory we have accepted as doctrine all these years is likely incorrect.
The amount of movement could easily be accounted for by mechanical motion of the apparatus sagging under gravity. So that makes me think: Why all the effort to produce this and make a youtube video proclaiming "we may have discovered something new" before looking into the sagging issue? Perhaps this experiment is actually designed to test what people will believe?
An experiment proving the sag is going to be more difficult (expensive). The Mössbauer effect experiments done vertically argues against the effect noted. But who knows? There may be something there.
Very nice! Thanks! I noticed that there are lights present as well as windows open during the experiment. Do you think that the absence of light all together would affect the results? I understand that it could/should also affect with a horizontal rotation, however it may be due to the angles at which the light is hitting. Just a thought, as I would imagine you want as many controls as possible, i.e. temperature, humidity, light, etc. I'm no expert, just a thought I had when watching this.
Would be good to shut off the heating radiators in the room which radiate infrared radiation directly into the setup. Previous models were made of invar to correct for temprature deformation. The mirrors and holders are most sensitive as they have different temperature coefficients. Look also for "bremstrahlung" and data from late prof. Paul Marmet on internet to become expert.
As you said, on different times on the day, shifting is different. Could you arrange an experiment with this interferometer, letting it static in a vertical position, and then letting the camara taking a picture every 10 minutes, with the help of a timer? Then, when mounting a small movie, we could see the variation in motion.
Yes. Gravity. Martin has built a new smaller unit that shows only 2.5 or 3 shifts and it travels less distance vertically. I am in the "gravity" camp. I hypothesize gravity is affecting the wave medium (space-fabric or aether) that light passes through. (Or it is the wave medium - space itself - itself that causes gravity!)
I'm surprised noboy mentioned gravitational time dilation (or maybe I'm the dumbest commenter to date). At opposite ends of the apparatus, the two paths have inverse relative gravitational fields, thus slowing one of the light paths more than the other. Every 180 degrees, the paths would be similarly affected, which would explain why the pattern-shifting comes to a halt.
sin cos association Absolutely. However the explanation provided - deflection in the mirrors - ignores all other deflection of parts in the apparatus. Instead, this may illustrate effects of gravity on light. (plausible explanation yet to be determined). If a photon packet is capable of carrying information about polarization, then there is no reason to believe re-polarization would not be part of the effect of curved light near massive objects. Genius Martin! I wish I had thought of this.
At first, I felt comfortable reasoning that this was the bending of light due to a shifting gravitational field. But changes depending on the time of day? Keeping in mind the extreme sensitivity of the light source, several aspects may come into play, including heat and humidity variation in the experiment structure. That said, the experiment also reminds that unpredicted time/speed deviations are occurring when space probes are gravitationally assisted about planets. Could it be related?
Very interesting. Just make extra careful there is no movement in the apparatus due to the rotation. If all ok please publish these results for review.
To the skeptics: Why bag the experiment if there is the possibility of discovering something new. If he has made a mistake then that will be revealed in due time.
Martin, very well done. You have discovered the effect of the earths influence on light as the light is effected by the gravity lines running out of the earth surface.
You will get the same effect by placing neodymium magnet in line with the laser beam.
The evidence produced by this experiment is false. A fixed pattern of fringes is simply swept across the screen as the mirrors turn due to flexure of the frame. A true finding would show a changing of the spaces between the fringes, which doesn't happen.
I previously posted this and I see it's been removed.
No I do not. Nor do I believe in the Aether down flux that you seem so enamored of. Could this be the long-awaited rebuttal to the Aether up flux theory? :>)
The fringes did not change; they simply moved as the apparatus drooped.
there is no contradiction Michelson Morley here.. The effect that you should should be looking for is widening or narrowing of the spacing of the fringes.. The fact of sweeping the same equals based pattern across the screen indicates merely flexure that rotates the mirrors.
MichelsonMorley experiment is (WAS)generally considered to be the first strong evidence against the theory of a luminiferous aether.
If the Earth is traveling through an ether medium, a beam reflecting back and forth parallel to the flow of ether would take longer than a beam reflecting perpendicular to the ether because the time gained from traveling downwind is less than that lost traveling upwind. The result would be a delay in one of the light beams..
What if you slowly stop device in random position when rotating in vertical plane ? Do interference patter also stop ? In what position compared to starting position ?
That would test if there are special directions in space .
Not what you think is going on here. This is just tortional stress on the apparatus. A more rigid apparatus would not display this supposed "anomaly".
This experiment needs stress controls to see how much the splitting mirror moves under its own weight. The fact that zero movement occurs at 45 degrees suggests that any stress movement is in the 45 mirror and not the whole frame. If the effect is real, it is very interesting and due to an uneven slowing of light due to gravity in the two beams.
Yes, this kind of baseline testing should be done before jumping to hasty conclusions, as may be the case here. I can't believe how quickly people can be to jump on board things like this.
Since the E fields vectors are 180 degrees phase inverted, you are creating longitudinal standing waves of stress potential energy. THIS IS A PUMPING ACTION IN GRAVITY!!! By changing the the wave position in a local gravitational field, we see fluctuation in the scalar field display.
Gravitational waves are stronger at night time...this is why you see the intensity change. Notice light intensity with respect to the moon's position at night.
Interesting, but I really think you may need to try it again with a stronger structure. Logically thinking I would say what you are seeing is the minute deflection of the structure from gravity. Good work and I hope you can prove me wrong! Cheers!
Thank you Von Martin. I can tell you that the FREE energy community will be thanking you and posting this video EVERYWHERE. With out your thinking out side the box, the faculties would have people still conditioned to the non ether. You sir are a bloody hero!! Thank you very much your work is appreciated my friend.
We do expect gradients in the spatial curvatures existent in both gravity and magnetism. In both cases the field density relaxes with altitude. It would be good to eliminate these as possibilities before assuming this shows an Aether. Of course, Space-time is the Aether of our generation, and if it's distortion is what we know as gravity and electromagnetism, then perhaps all the puzzle pieces are starting to fall into place. ;-)
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If its not temperature, it could be the density of the air, the local speed of light through air is dependent on air density, and that can also change in a daily cycle. I think temperature is the most likely explanation, but if you rule that out, you need to take a look at air pressure. For a quick experiment to see approximately how big that effect could be, just blow some hydrogen/helium (or a very heavy gas instead of a light one) through one of the beams and watch the pattern.
kurtilein3 1 month ago
... second response to the video description:
Another way to see if temperature or some other effect is responsible for the shift, or if its really aether, would be to wait half a year inbetween experiments. Then earth is moving in the opposite direction, and if aether exists, the daytime-effect should be reversed after half a year and get back to normal after a full year.
But i think you did design the MOST COMPLEX thermometer i have ever seen, thats my best guess.
kurtilein3 1 month ago
A response to the updated video description:
The shift in the horizontal setup is with certainty beyond reasonable doubt induced by gravity. So its Gravity bending your equipment, your newer designs appear to be much more sturdy / solid, more rigidly constructed.
The effect induced by the time of day could be due to changes in temperature, as temperature affects hardness of materials. Try a constant-temperature environment, or measure the temperature and see if it fits the other data.
kurtilein3 1 month ago
You are totally wrong with your conclusions about experiment 2. It only shows that the materials you used do not have infinite hardness, and are deformed by gravity in the nanometer scale, just as any good experimentalist would expect.
The way to do it vertically is to have the apparatus perfectly static, and use the fact that earth rotates (through existent or nonexistent aether). Have it static and watch for 24 hours. Your mistake causes a gravity-induced error and invalidates experiment 2.
kurtilein3 1 month ago
Very good, i always thing that we can have an effect whith vertical arms .. When you change at the end the position of the interferometer , what do you want to show ? That it is not a question of deforming the arms because gravity . ?
misaupointnet 2 months ago
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Your observation is correct. Gravity bends the apparatus in experiment 2, and induces an error that invalidates the whole experiment 2 when it comes to the existence or non-existence of aether. The guy in the video is missing the obvious, and is arriving at wrong conclusions, based on the implicit assumption that the materials he used are of infinite hardness. The experiment only disproves his wrong implied assumption that the materials he used are of infinite hardness.
kurtilein3 1 month ago
lovely
julieke1005 2 months ago
re. that original experiment & any idiot believing it - the aether is real, you're idiots, you knew you were lying when you set that shit up, and dark flow-matter-energy is just your sad way of trying to bring the aethers back without actually admitting how tarded and wrong you are. Tesla was right, you're wrong, admit it.
JustSomePerson888 2 months ago
Well done. It appears you are measuring the relativistic change in time dilation within a gravitational field. Time will always move slower for you the closer you are to the ground, and so, the frequency of the above mirror will always be faster than the one below. When they reach equilibrium and then turn back, the upper mirror is now the lower mirror and the process will repeat itself.
Very excellent demonstration of this concept. Had M&M had this, they might have discovered relativity.
chenalos 3 months ago
As PowerPak8 shows in his demonstration of a near null result for the vertical rotation that the issue is mechanical shifts do to gravity perhaps in the breamsplitter. I'd dare the person to re-perform his experiment with better controls on the stability of his setup to see if the fringe shift count of 10-11 fringes goes up or down with repeated tries. It more then lightly will go down when tighter tolerances are made on his equipment.
ArsLumen 5 months ago
PowerPak8 shows that perhaps his beamsplitter is slipping in the mount slightly do to gravity pulling down on it causing a fringe shift by changing the optical path length a few wavelengths through the beamsplitter plate most lightly. It could also be a slip elsewhere You are talking about alignment errors of microns here, and most ppl who haven't messed with physical optics experiments haven't seen how sensitive interferometers can be to noise or shifts of a few wavelengths on order of microns.
ArsLumen 5 months ago
Speed up the rotating motor.
This would add error if it is only mechanical bending or sagging.
If EXACT count on retry then NOT mechanical.
I like it so far.
Do it again!
BuiltMachineSJ 5 months ago
very sensible video...
tiluthemeguy 5 months ago
this is the reason you should leave science to scientists the gravity is affecting the components, the beam splitter is extremly sensitive. furthermore, in science you should be able to repeat the experiment and get the exact same result. as proved by frank piers, it doesnt happen if you secure the components of the interferometer youtube.com/user/Powerpak8#p/u
sorry to break your dreams, this is how science works
sk8hack 6 months ago
@sk8hack Don't leave science to the scientists. I am sure we all will learn more about nature when we've found an explanation for his observations, and attempted new experiments to verify them. Rutherford is a great example to follow: just do the experiments and figure things out later, recording anything odd you see.
jg394 3 months ago
@jg394 You say " I am sure we all will learn more about nature when we've found an explanation for his observations". Wrong, Powerpak repeated the experiment and found nothing, so this experiment does not show anything, no need to explain anything, clearly there is a problem with the experiment and that's why I say leave science to scientists. Amateurs, by posting faulty experiments encourage regular people to believe that science is wrong, and that there should be some mystical explanation.
sk8hack 3 months ago
There SHOULD be no change in the fringe patterns in either verticle or horizontal rotations of the Michelson Morely experiment. However, it could be possible that we are experiencing Lorentz contractions as the earth's mass effects the photons wave pattern as the "acceleration" of earths distortion of space-time may also impact the distance being travelled by the quanta of photons. This may possibly explain the change in the interference fringes that occur.
dannyxbox 6 months ago
Can someone explain why the fringes are moving
TheLashak 6 months ago
nice work! :) tnx for sharing
kajakpaddler92 7 months ago
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vincecate 9 months ago
fuck, this is amazing...In my opinion it is easyly explainable, but in order to explain one must realize that light can actually slow down and that c isn't constant....the average speed you can reach from point A to B and back is c...but that doesn't say v(A->B)=v(B->A) the light slows down according to v=g*t²
stevenkDE 9 months ago
@stevenkDE light is not affected by gravity, IT DOESN'T HAVE MASS. space time curvature causes photons to redshift but that effect is not observed here
sk8hack 3 months ago
@sk8hack photons have mass. Gravity effects mass.
But i admint that the gravity is not causing the effects shown in the vid
stevenkDE 2 months ago
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sk8hack 2 months ago
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@stevenkDE sorry, photons are masless gauge bosons, the only bosons that can acquire mass thru the higghs mechanism are W and Z bosons, the effect of gravity on photons (curvature of its trajectory and change in frequency) is NOT due to their mass but because they travel the shortest path in space-time which can be modified by a gravitational field
sk8hack 2 months ago
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@sk8hack Then why can light not escape the black hole. Light is definitely affected by gravity. I think what we are seeing is the affect on spin of the photon in relation to the gravity source.
MrItchyElbow 1 month ago
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@MrItchyElbow On further thought it may be the deflection of the light in relation to the source of gravity.
MrItchyElbow 1 month ago
does this prove an aether theory? what are the implications of this result?
Phibins 10 months ago
@Phibins the implications are as follows: you can build a flying saucer and go to any place in the universe, there would be no more poverty on our planet, we can create life in infinite forms and we would have unlimited power forever. The Aether is ancient and forever new!
jatigre1 10 months ago
You can easily check for flex bending of the mirrors and arms by adding some extra dead lead weight to the arms and mirror mounts, and seeing how much it changes the result. (used enough weight about equal to existing weight)
k4003a 10 months ago
Simply, I have finished "Einstein's unfinished symphony", in my latest paper, which is already published in the form of a (mini) book titled; "The Last Chapter of the Symphony of Existence / The Super Unified Field Theory"
where this experiment had been proposed, and fully explained. Scientists especially those of LIGO and CERN are fully informed by this theory. I am ready to upload this book to any well known site you will propose.
Dr. Engineer; m.e.ismaeel
m.e.ismaeel@gmail.com
mohammad1686 11 months ago
Martin Grusenick, thank you very much for sharing the results of this experiment...
FelipeZucchetti 11 months ago
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Well done experiment. Thankyou.
facebook.com/pages/Unified-Vorticii-Theory-UVT-by-Anton-Kole/102745859787252 if you wish to read further, on some new potential advances on the aether theory.
TheProblemBox 11 months ago
I gave an example where lasers at different altitudes are adjusted, a laser in a deep valley is tuned to a higher frequency than a laser on top of the tallest peak, all so that at one location all lasers appear to be in frequency sync despite gravity redshift, but another thing it does is make lasers more like pedulum clocks. Typical twin paradox setup favors light-clocks over mechanical ones, so the travelling twin B ages slower than A, despite B's pedulum clock showing the opposite of this.
CACBCCCU 11 months ago
Looks like I should have written "conceivably showing the opposite" instead of "showing the opposite."
CACBCCCU 10 months ago
A problem with MM's setup is the light goes both directions, in and out, along both arms, thus ideally it can't see gravitational red- or blue-shift, they cancel, so it can't track any phase shifting accompanying any red- or blue-shift, if gravity-lensing became strong enough to bend the beam out of line, it just stops working. If light somehow slowed going out, the speed-up on return would cancel out for detection. Not saying SR's wrong, just don't see where MM's experiment supports it clearly.
CACBCCCU 1 year ago
With tight BH orbits there's different physics due to large lateral gradient that SR doesn't cover and GR doesn't explain but seems to accomodate, but there's no pair production SR rate dilation that scales down to non-SR speeds, no pair-production GR rate dilation scaling to lower gradients; it seems to be a gradient threshold-cutoff matter.
CACBCCCU 1 year ago
I mentioned SR and GR below, with the scenario of laser frequencies being manually increased where gravity is strongest to match the relative pace of gravity-driven events, including pendulum cycles, and produce a reference point where all lasers show the same freq, to bring in SR dilates/contracts separately. SR seems more relevant if the pace of local gravity-driven events is on the BH-border-scale of gravity strength. Tight BH orbit is max dilation, but sees max lateral gravity gradient.
CACBCCCU 1 year ago
If every location has a different frequency of laser associated with it so that at some reference point all the lasers appear to have equal frequency, then maybe all lasers keep track with the pace of gravity-driven local events, tho the frequency adjustments depend on gravity strength at the reference point if it's to see the same freq number from all regardless of reference point.
Without relative laser moves, SR's irrelevant (ideally independent), no contraction or freq change is needed.
CACBCCCU 1 year ago
It seems gravity speeds the pace of physics events up in the same places where GR is saying clocks are slowing, and maybe this prompts people to talk about how time almost stops for someone falling into a BH thus they experience nothing strange, yet anyone can see life on the accretion ring is a burn-up process, so maybe some brighter person tries to use string theory to obtain the best of both worlds, to have one's BH and eat it. That can't be where physics stands, I suppose.
CACBCCCU 1 year ago
Seems GR claims laser light from a location of zero-G has the highest apparent frequency (upper limit) compared to all other identical lasers coming from other places. There's no finite maximum gravity potential in GR, it puts no low limit on negative frequency-shift. One odd thing to me is that pendulum clocks run slower with less gravity, nonetheless more gravity would slow people down, yet it seems to me they'd also age quicker, maybe experiencing more frequently events having more impact.
CACBCCCU 1 year ago
Special relativity indicates the speed of light doesn't change even when general relativity indicates there is frequency shifting. I'm not entirely sure what the point of MM's interferometer, which you've basically duplicated, really is. MM's setup is strange because ideally it won't even measure redshift. If one can change frequency without changing speed seems there's still a loss in bandwidth, centrally-synched clock differences build between different altitudes, without even any movement.
CACBCCCU 1 year ago
I see you were later able to reduce the number of wavecycles in the shift. Neat experiment. I was thinking if you built the thing on the same scale as Pound-Rebka's gravitational redshift experiment, the shift might reduce the efficiency of the tuned system. For example, if beam-splitters specifically designed for 532nm are used, there could be gravitationally-generated loss.
CACBCCCU 1 year ago
Gravity interacts with the light in ways we cant see
dizolve13 1 year ago
@dizolve13 No, it affects the lenses. not rocket science.
twide1337 1 year ago
It was a mechanical deformations in the secod case.
SiO2win 1 year ago
Peut-être est-ce dû à la gravité (Terre - Lune - ...) qui change les longueurs ?
gupilen 1 year ago
my great great grandfather is the Albert Michelson... yea ur jelous
CHIEFasaurusReX 1 year ago
It's a well done interferometer, but maybe you forgot influence of arms due to gravity.
Also the minute air density variation found in a meter of space may account for the result on fringes.
Sympalele 1 year ago
Very Nice, man! Congratulations.
About the second experiment; Perhaps the arm of your interferometer is elastic and is deforming. You should repeat your experiment using different arm materials.
FMMAROTO 1 year ago 5
Genius!
Seriously, you should publish this (before I do) Jokes!
Physics is just amazing.
ShuuAids 1 year ago
This is an absolutely fanatastic video! Having worked with RLGs most of my career, I would have attributed these results to the Sagnac effect. However, the two laser paths are NOT counter rotating, therefore there is no PL differential. I would like to see an experiment with the same setup, but with the assembly rotating in the ROLL axis to see if there is a fringe sensitivity where the longer PL is parallel w/ the gravity vector.
MrSyCoe 1 year ago
Excellent work my friend. Long live Nikola Tesla and Empirical science!
“Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine.” - Nikola Tesla.
fizban1977 1 year ago
@fizban1977 i have so many questions for you, your videos changed my life completely.when you made "was kurt cobain killed" and "is GOD real",it's like you express the centuries of the world's lies and in a matter of two hours,and i didn't quite understand it when i first watched it because i didn't know GOD, but when i began to listen to your message with a open mind i started crying uncontrollably. i think its wonderful how you compare life with the bible so accurately.
TheRealSpacekid 1 year ago
You are totally awesome, Martin. Fantastic work.
MrChrisCulley 1 year ago
This is not the Sagnac effect - if it were the effect would be seen in horizontal rotation as well. This remarkably elegant apparatus magnifies the optical wavelength of the laser to allow the tiny effect of gravitational redshift and blueshift to be visible to the naked eye. This experiment is first rate. Another experiment in ‘benchtop General Relativity’ has recently been conducted on time dilation, using high-precision atomic clocks placed only one foot above the other.
ZDevilBoy 1 year ago
@ZDevilBoy Time dilation has been disproved by GPS (by the way, there is no such thing as "time")
jatigre1 1 year ago
@jatigre1 You're an idiot
twide1337 1 year ago
@twide1337 Would you mind explaining yourself?
jatigre1 1 year ago
Sagnac Effect. Can be done with with ring lasers and used for highly sensitive gyroscopes.
jburnum 1 year ago 4
@jburnum
But why would the effect be seen only on the vertical plane and not the horizontal?
chenalos 2 months ago
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@chenalos
"But why would the effect be seen only on the vertical plane and not the horizontal?"
Gravity. Either you work on the wrong assumption that the materials used have infinite hardness, or you would expect just what is seen in the video based on the fact that gravity bends the apparatus in the nanometer scale. Check my other comments to see how its done correctly in a vertical setup.
kurtilein3 1 month ago
According to Martin Grusenick the spatial distribution & dynamics of the fringe patterns are temporal functions of the Earth's rotation. The Earth's geomagnetic field (GMF) is offset approximately 11.5 degrees from the rotation plane of the Earth; the rotation plane itself is approximately 23.5 degs offset from this planet's orbital ecliptic. The 11.5 degree GMF offset is moving toward zenith (north pole) continually. The 11.5 degs from the experimental room's vertical = GMF 11.5.
xxxxAXIxxxx 1 year ago
I wish that more views had been attached to this video by this time.
But it will eventually go viral.
Indeed it is a fantastic and simply elegent set of data that supports all Tesla taught.
Cheers.
junglelord 1 year ago
This experiment can be explained in terms of the deformation of the equipment. The horizontal rotation does not give much deformation of the equipment, while the vertical one probably deforms the equipment on the order of the wavelength of the light beam. There may not be nothing mysterious.
faccioco 1 year ago
@faccioco There is no noticeable, detectable or even relevant strain on the mirrors for this type of experiment on this scale caused by their own weight. They are perfectly firm as far as their mass is concerned relative to their size. (attaching sensors to the mirrors shouldn't be that difficult). This is the one of most important discoveries in human history for the past 200 years and you are trying to dismiss its importance based on a flawed assumption.
jatigre1 1 year ago
@jatigre1 Hi! I am not talking about the deformation of the mirror, but that of the arm.
Another explanation is the gravitational red shift, but this is too small to explain your large shift of the pattern. In my opinion, this experiment is interesting to measure the deformation of the material. If you employ arms made by harder/softer material, I expect the magnitude of the shift would be changed. I suggest you to write a paper to submit any physics journal to convince referees. Regards
faccioco 1 year ago
Hi. To rule out a lot of the skepticism, all Martin would need to do is to turn the machine around on the floor to face the other way (180 degrees) and then to run the experiment again. This will determine if the zero point happens at a constant direction or if it is just relative to the device (ie, if the zero point is still pointing to the same wall of the house after he turns it around, then the device is detecting a constant direction).
lenfromkits 1 year ago 2
So, there is an aether after all. Naturally there is. Else how could radio and light propagate? You couldn't have waves of nothing. Radio waves and light waves, which are the same phenomenon at different frequencies, must be waves of something. That something is the aether. I propose that the aether consists of photons filling all of space and that light waves and radio waves are pressure waves in the photonic aether.
rjhuntington 1 year ago
@rjhuntington You have an interesting point about the contents of the ether. I don't think it can be said that this experiment proves there is an a/ether. There may be other factors causing the effect and we can't just jump to conclusions (like they might have done >100 years ago). The ether theory can be disproved by stellar aberration, so your conclusion is inconsistent with other experiments.I don't the need for an ether for photon propagation but I think your chain of thought needs exploring
lordtapdoles 1 year ago
There actually are a number of ether-drift experiments showing positive results. Notable among them are the findings of Dayton Miller back in the 1930s, and more recently Yuri Galaev from the Radiophysics Institute of the Ukraine. The citations with pdf downloads are here:
naturalenergyworks 1 year ago
Was the second experiment rotating longitudinally or latitudinally (north to south or east to west) ?.
Thanks.
5rrt445 1 year ago
@5rrt445 Probably longitudinally since the time of day is having an impact upon it. Good question since there is the issue of the N-S magnetic field on the Earth.
crackahcrackah 1 year ago
I wonder, in the second experiment, if the observed shift can be explained simply by flexure of the optical bench. I admit, I would have expected such discrepancies to arise at the 6 o'clock and 9 o'clock positions, but I have not thought deeply about this for long. However, this is a nicely built apparatus - I anticipate further studies.
jrcgarry 1 year ago
I would like to see the experiment performed on the international space station.
jamesshell 1 year ago
Note that there are two positions only where a change in direction occurs, at 45 degrees and 225 degrees, exactly where Mr. Grusenick found them, exactly at the max path difference, and exactly where a maximum negative correlation occurs.
Correlation 0 -1 0 1 0 -1 0 1
Angle fr vertical 0 45 90 135 180 225 270 315
Sum sines (delta h) 1.00 1.41 1.00 0.00 -1.00 -1.41 -1.00 0.00
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
My apology, let me correct my prior statement: Martin's zero point matches a perfect negative (not zero) correlation in the two paths (one path is above horizontal, the other below), while the complement on the other side of vertical matches a positive correlation (the two paths are identical). This is a perfect match to a vertical gradient, i.e., difference in the two paths.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
The methodology of vertical rotation is original and showing something very important that should be analyzed. This opens a new opportunity for solving of 100 years enigma.
tenko45 1 year ago
Well, 11 shifts is quite a lot, actually, and the reduction after design revision considerable. It is quite possible that stress has in fact magnified results which are fundamentally legitimate. I'd like to hear more about Martin's latest results along those lines.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
Again. Look again! Why NO zero point at 90 deg offset->where the paths are equal? Look again. Your zero point matches paths that pass through opposite gradients? If due to strain, the effect would not repeatedly match the maximum path difference. The zero point matches zero correlation for the two paths at ONLY 2 points 180 deg apart.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
Ok, I'm on to it, but be patient for the perfect answer, which I believe I can dig out by comparing in to the "gradient wheel" concept in my stat theorem. Meanwhile, the answer to why a zero point at the one diagonal but NOT for it's complement is THIS - take a good look at your example, zero point HERE, but NOT HERE! The ZERO point is when one beam travels above the mirror in BOTH directions, while the other travels BELOW the mirror in both? Ok, rest of answer in next comment...
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
SO! "Why NO zero point here" at the complementary angle? Look at the 2 paths. Each travels the same, both legs of each beam are below the mirror. Ok, you'd think this should be a zero point because the two paths are the same, but the movement depends on correlation between points in the gradient - 100% when paths are equal, 0% when they are 90% out of synch. That is what my stat theorem proves, if you can grasp the concept. There's the correct answer, glad I could be here when you needed me.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
@cusanusnicolas my bad, sorry, instead of complement, I should have said "counterpart from vertical" ... anyway, this is NOT due to strain or artifact of design. Martin has it right. A zero % correlation along the two paths is zero point, while vertically opposite that angle, 100% correlation is maximum movement. See my theorem, please.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
Ok, thought I could see why the zero point is 45 degrees offset of vertical. But now I do NOT understand why it only occurs on one 180 deg line and not the other. I'm sure it has to do with your design and gravitational time delay, but I have to ask what happens when you face the apparatus in the opposite direction? If the zero point is now at right angles to the other direction, then it's simply an artifact of your design. Answer me if you can. I'll study this more in the meantime.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
One thing to say, the shift reversal should take place at straight up/down, so there is some kind of misalignment in your paths. This is the same effect as 1 of 2 vectors in starlight deflection, namely time delay / gravitation. You don't see a frequency shift as seen by Pound and Rebka because that cancels out on the return path. Hope this helps, I'm quite sure of it.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
A thousand stars, Einstein! This is EXACTLY what I was looking for and had surmised must be the case when writing two sections on relativity in my statistics theorem - great job! You can read these sections if you like, go to the Website link on my profile - look for sidebar links on the left to these. Wow, can't believe it!
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
So geocentricity is true after all?
RenewalOfAllThings 1 year ago
hi guys, i accidentally science, what do i do?
fattoldpig 1 year ago
seems gravity is more complicated then figured
sonofnorth666 1 year ago
@sonofnorth666 Oh, baby! This is exactly what I've been trying to say for years, and here it is, God still loves me after all! And I love the guy who did this, absolutely wonderful - read my paper. Just simple time delay, that's all, but to see it so well!
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
awesome Job Fantastic.....5 Star...
vishhinal2000 1 year ago
it is not in contradiction with GR
light also "falls down" in gravity if i use classic terminology
dt289 1 year ago
Excellent work! 5 Stars!
"Psyence" taught in schools like: string theory, gravitons, quantum quackery etc.. is dead. The days of these lame theories has reached it's end. Nothing of value may be constructed upon the devious foundations of the corporate controlled academic "Psyence".
We are in the last days of the crumbling paradigm owned by the energy barons, war mongers and their central bankers.
A heroic effort my friend! See Frank Chester for the last nail in the academic coffin!
77GSlinger 1 year ago
@77GSlinger i think you'd love my commentary on relativity - 2 sections in my stat theorem, look at left sidebar for these - link using the webpage on my profile! Thanks for a great comment, my friend, we are brothers.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
@cusanusnicolas Thanks brother, I will check it out!
77GSlinger 1 year ago
i guess that you should overlap the two patterns to get the real stuff out of it !
nfexp 1 year ago
For those willing to leave a comment here... Don't even bother trying to explain this without the Aether Model. Do not waste anyone's time. There is no such thing as gravity. There's only the Aether and the perfect geometry of space itself. Tesla knew it, and now you're begging to know it too!
jatigre1 1 year ago
Well said. Only we need a new concept of the ether which is not like that of the 17-19th century theories regarding it.
Walter Russell gave us a Cosmology which explains the ether without the indivisible ball bearings which the early theorists tried to "reduce" the concept too.
77GSlinger 1 year ago
@77GSlinger Study Tesla, and the obscure researchers who followed up on his work like Donald Smith. There's actually a decent bit of info out there on this topic. The Russians cover it the most of modern groups from what I've seen. Tesla's theories regarding aether were probably the best to have been written about. Look up his lectures on high frequency current.
crackahcrackah 1 year ago
It possible that the change occurs due to the change in length of the legs due to gravity.
A vertical leg may contract or expand depending from where we are holding it.
Sure this is a great experiment! Well done!!!!
wlan0000 2 years ago
Fantastic!
pallidinyou 2 years ago
Observation: Beams both at 45 degrees from earth gravity field are in phase and give no deflection, other a-symetrical angles make phase delay in one and phase advance in the other beam the same amount, shifting the fringes but not changing pattern as people expecting. My conclusion, it is a graviton phase detector, forget the eatherwind.
NIC0B0S 2 years ago
Dear Martin, I have seen your latest model and I am now convinced that it is mechanically OK. However it does not mean that what you are measuring is not gravity. In the string theory gravitons are suggested for carying gravitation force, so perhaps your setup is a kind of graviton detector.
The daily changes can be introduced by the position of sun and moon.
Interresting measurements would be the effects during sun or moon eclipes!
Use slids and fotodetectors to record long experiments.
NIC0B0S 2 years ago
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Dear Martin, I have seen your latest model and I am now convinced that it is mechanically OK. However it does not mean that what you are measuring is not gravity. In the string theory gravitons are suggested for carying gravitation force, so perhaps your setup is a kind of graviton detector.
The daily changes can be introduced by the position of sun and moon.
Interresting measurements would be the effects during sun or moon eclipes!
Use slids and fotodetectors to record long experiments.
NIC0B0S 2 years ago
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NIC0B0S 2 years ago
If my explanation is correct, then number of moved fringes depends on distance between mirror and splitter: Increased distance causes higher number of moved fringes. It would be nice to check.
jesenkosokoljak 2 years ago
Distance from splitter to the reflection plane in the local (beam's) ref. frame varies; it gets shorter when plane descends. As the platform rotates beams pass different space-time paths causing fringes to shuttle.
Michelson and Morley had to put apparatus float in the mercury basin and got equal almost inertial frames (grav. influence symmetrical).
Great and simple way to show space-time deformation in grav. field thus confirming general theory of relativity in the lab.
jesenkosokoljak 2 years ago
Nice experiment! please check if the interference is affected bij rotation speed, can be done horizontally (static response) or vertically (dynamic response) to rule out the aforementioned mechanical instability.
If there is no correlation, you should go for Noble prize!
NIC0B0S 2 years ago
Repeat the experiment with the lights OFF!
you are adding, then subtracting light directly into an OPTICAL INTERFEROMETER!
It seems to me if gravity were an issue, that the slight rising and falling of the laser would exhibit the effect you seek.
However the vertical high and low would be the "transition points" you observe, which are at the horizon.
Magnetic phenomena would depend on North- South, East-West trajectories and would exhibit Horizontal phenomena which are observed.
235WTF 2 years ago
Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to share and make an English version.
ingliss 2 years ago
my advice is to try to use some epoxy around all the components and spin it again , very slowly...but I'm pretty sure you know what i mean :-)
nfexp 2 years ago
At any point in the rotation at which the beam-splitter is not horizontal with Earth's surface, one beam would be more in-line with the gravity field vector and the other would be less in-line with the gravity field vector. When the beam-splitter is horizontal, each beam is at 45 degrees to the gravitational field vector, which might explain the reversal in fringe drift at this point. This is especially true if gravity is an electromagnetic phenomenon in a non-aether non space-time Universe.
SuperMagnetizer 2 years ago
Das sind Beschleunigungen der Gravitation. Ist eine Art von Sagnac effect.
Aber ein tolles video. Ich möchte dieses auch in meine Videos aufnehmen wenn ich deine Erlaubniss habe. :o)
darf ich?
Liebe Grüße
attiqe
Subspace4d 2 years ago
How soon will they discover it?
Hansolo60 2 years ago
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nfexp 2 years ago
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Very good job
initialphysics 2 years ago
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nfexp 2 years ago
Very interesting experiment.
As maitland1007 says, my first thought was also "maybe the apparatus is distorting under gravitational forces as it rotates". I am not sure how you can check on this, but some calculations could be done to see how much the materials might be bending. Perhaps it is possible to make a design that counteracts any such distortions by the way it is supported.
artynz 2 years ago
This experiment has far more implications and is far more powerful than anything I have ever seen before. Its elegant, simplistic and yet complex, AND its easy to replicate. It basically explains what cause the lines (which no one has bothered asking why there are lines there and what causes them to interfere in the first place! Always with that photon duality BS!). And as far as I can tell, this proves what Tesla was doing in his last 40 years of research. The Luminiferous Aether
jatigre1 2 years ago 3
@jatigre1 Well then how do you explain that the luminiferous aether failed to make an appearance last time this experiment was done?
Gaiacarra 1 year ago
@Gaiacarra The MM apparatus was horizontal ONLY, while there should be a shift due to gravitational time delay. Also, even though the results have been always reported as null, they real data was in fact NOT null. There were consistent diurnal and other shifts, just as reported here. I've been griping about this myself for years - if the MM apparatus was tipped, there should have been a fringe shift.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
@jatigre1 tesla's a crackpot.
MaryStewart 1 year ago
@MaryStewart Why do you say Tesla's a crackpot? Tesla invented alternating current. Tesla invented radio. Tesla invented fluorescent lighting. Why do you call him a crackpot?
rjhuntington 1 year ago
@rjhuntington Because she's either disingenuous, or she's giving a pavlovian conditioned attitudinal response. It's probably the latter simply because academia has created a serious filter on what knowledge people acquire in their settings. And few students have free time to do additional research. So they never get exposed to anything outside of the classroom and when things contradict what they learned in class at their "esteemed" institution, they adhere to the latter.
crackahcrackah 1 year ago
@crackahcrackah +6 billion
Ashitakaandsan 1 year ago
@Ashitakaandsan I've always tried very hard to see things with out biases or emotional influence. At my current age, I humbly think that I have a lot to offer those who would listen, and those are the same people whom I can learn a lot from, since they are clearly open minded, and insights typically come from that kind of mentality. For all the people who don't listen, getting a response such as yours makes putting the effort into typing up observations worth it. Thank you :).
crackahcrackah 1 year ago
@jatigre1 This experiment validates the entire eather model of physics. Particle theory we have accepted as doctrine all these years is likely incorrect.
teslacult 1 year ago
@teslacult Thank you!
jatigre1 1 year ago
Congratulations! This WILL change everything! Irrefutable proof of the Aether down flux, the source of gravity and everything else!
jatigre1 2 years ago
This is yet another proof that Tesla was absolutely right! And as always Einstein was just an embarrassing entertaining novelty.
jatigre1 2 years ago 2
Dear Martin,
where could I READ this experiment?
Due to my poor English.
Regards Paul.
un0pas 2 years ago
The amount of movement could easily be accounted for by mechanical motion of the apparatus sagging under gravity. So that makes me think: Why all the effort to produce this and make a youtube video proclaiming "we may have discovered something new" before looking into the sagging issue? Perhaps this experiment is actually designed to test what people will believe?
maitland1007 2 years ago
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jatigre1 2 years ago
An experiment proving the sag is going to be more difficult (expensive). The Mössbauer effect experiments done vertically argues against the effect noted. But who knows? There may be something there.
msimon6808 2 years ago
Very nice! Thanks! I noticed that there are lights present as well as windows open during the experiment. Do you think that the absence of light all together would affect the results? I understand that it could/should also affect with a horizontal rotation, however it may be due to the angles at which the light is hitting. Just a thought, as I would imagine you want as many controls as possible, i.e. temperature, humidity, light, etc. I'm no expert, just a thought I had when watching this.
xtremem32k6 2 years ago
Would be good to shut off the heating radiators in the room which radiate infrared radiation directly into the setup. Previous models were made of invar to correct for temprature deformation. The mirrors and holders are most sensitive as they have different temperature coefficients. Look also for "bremstrahlung" and data from late prof. Paul Marmet on internet to become expert.
NIC0B0S 2 years ago
@NIC0B0S Good call. It needs to be known if this is due only to temperature differences.
seanmPWH 1 year ago
Hello Martin.
What a splendid idea.
As you said, on different times on the day, shifting is different. Could you arrange an experiment with this interferometer, letting it static in a vertical position, and then letting the camara taking a picture every 10 minutes, with the help of a timer? Then, when mounting a small movie, we could see the variation in motion.
emmanuelpil 2 years ago 8
Yes. Gravity. Martin has built a new smaller unit that shows only 2.5 or 3 shifts and it travels less distance vertically. I am in the "gravity" camp. I hypothesize gravity is affecting the wave medium (space-fabric or aether) that light passes through. (Or it is the wave medium - space itself - itself that causes gravity!)
2012Quetzalcoatl 2 years ago
@2012Quetzalcoatl Gravity = Magneto Di-Electrics
crackahcrackah 1 year ago
I'm surprised noboy mentioned gravitational time dilation (or maybe I'm the dumbest commenter to date). At opposite ends of the apparatus, the two paths have inverse relative gravitational fields, thus slowing one of the light paths more than the other. Every 180 degrees, the paths would be similarly affected, which would explain why the pattern-shifting comes to a halt.
gjstrutt 2 years ago
sin cos association Absolutely. However the explanation provided - deflection in the mirrors - ignores all other deflection of parts in the apparatus. Instead, this may illustrate effects of gravity on light. (plausible explanation yet to be determined). If a photon packet is capable of carrying information about polarization, then there is no reason to believe re-polarization would not be part of the effect of curved light near massive objects. Genius Martin! I wish I had thought of this.
2012Quetzalcoatl 2 years ago
The fringes shift because the mirrors are pulled alternately toward and away from the center beam splitter by gravity.
The mirrors move toward and away from the center beam splitter 90 degrees out of phase of each other. Therefore the fringes shift according to
sin(a) + cos(a)
where a is the angle between the exit beam and vertical. a=0 when the exit beam is pointing toward the floor.
Max and min of sin(a)+cos(a) occur at a = 45 and 225 degrees respectively. as shown in the video.
jimmarsen 2 years ago
At first, I felt comfortable reasoning that this was the bending of light due to a shifting gravitational field. But changes depending on the time of day? Keeping in mind the extreme sensitivity of the light source, several aspects may come into play, including heat and humidity variation in the experiment structure. That said, the experiment also reminds that unpredicted time/speed deviations are occurring when space probes are gravitationally assisted about planets. Could it be related?
StephenPGoodfellow 2 years ago
Very interesting. Just make extra careful there is no movement in the apparatus due to the rotation. If all ok please publish these results for review.
To the skeptics: Why bag the experiment if there is the possibility of discovering something new. If he has made a mistake then that will be revealed in due time.
paulmtas 2 years ago 3
Surely you meant "the results of what you discovered, if they are true, will be buried in due time"...
Oahspe93 2 years ago
Martin, very well done. You have discovered the effect of the earths influence on light as the light is effected by the gravity lines running out of the earth surface.
You will get the same effect by placing neodymium magnet in line with the laser beam.
Changing latitudes will also effect the lines.
Regards Brian Leonard Golightly Marshall
MichelleNye 2 years ago
I agree with 2HWilson and mrdualspace. It's important to determine whether the mirrors are flexing.
byzzers 2 years ago
The evidence produced by this experiment is false. A fixed pattern of fringes is simply swept across the screen as the mirrors turn due to flexure of the frame. A true finding would show a changing of the spaces between the fringes, which doesn't happen.
I previously posted this and I see it's been removed.
mrdualspace 2 years ago
Oh the skeptics holding advances, and denying truth.
faro0485 2 years ago
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jatigre1 2 years ago
No I do not. Nor do I believe in the Aether down flux that you seem so enamored of. Could this be the long-awaited rebuttal to the Aether up flux theory? :>)
The fringes did not change; they simply moved as the apparatus drooped.
mrdualspace 2 years ago
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jatigre1 2 years ago
there is no contradiction Michelson Morley here.. The effect that you should should be looking for is widening or narrowing of the spacing of the fringes.. The fact of sweeping the same equals based pattern across the screen indicates merely flexure that rotates the mirrors.
mrdualspace
mrdualspace 2 years ago
MichelsonMorley experiment is (WAS)generally considered to be the first strong evidence against the theory of a luminiferous aether.
If the Earth is traveling through an ether medium, a beam reflecting back and forth parallel to the flow of ether would take longer than a beam reflecting perpendicular to the ether because the time gained from traveling downwind is less than that lost traveling upwind. The result would be a delay in one of the light beams..
Teach (again) aether in schools!
lesotl 2 years ago
What if you slowly stop device in random position when rotating in vertical plane ? Do interference patter also stop ? In what position compared to starting position ?
That would test if there are special directions in space .
bodziobran 2 years ago
Have you ever rotated the experiment in the
x=y=z plane ?
steve117w 2 years ago
Martin Grusenick - this is amazing. I hope you will publish a paper on this. Such an elegant experiment.
aetherevarising 2 years ago
Not what you think is going on here. This is just tortional stress on the apparatus. A more rigid apparatus would not display this supposed "anomaly".
shubus 2 years ago
This experiment needs stress controls to see how much the splitting mirror moves under its own weight. The fact that zero movement occurs at 45 degrees suggests that any stress movement is in the 45 mirror and not the whole frame. If the effect is real, it is very interesting and due to an uneven slowing of light due to gravity in the two beams.
2HWilson 2 years ago 2
Yes, this kind of baseline testing should be done before jumping to hasty conclusions, as may be the case here. I can't believe how quickly people can be to jump on board things like this.
shubus 2 years ago
Rather than jumping to hasty skepticism, why don't you set up one yourself and find out? Because it's easy to do with even your skills.
faro0485 2 years ago
You will also notice that the light intensity is brighter during certain seasons of the year. The gravitational wave is seasonal.
jburnum 2 years ago
This is a very special discovery!!!
Since the E fields vectors are 180 degrees phase inverted, you are creating longitudinal standing waves of stress potential energy. THIS IS A PUMPING ACTION IN GRAVITY!!! By changing the the wave position in a local gravitational field, we see fluctuation in the scalar field display.
Gravitational waves are stronger at night time...this is why you see the intensity change. Notice light intensity with respect to the moon's position at night.
jburnum 2 years ago 2
I think it's important to do the same experiment in southern hemisphere for comparison.
bodziobran 2 years ago
Interesting, but I really think you may need to try it again with a stronger structure. Logically thinking I would say what you are seeing is the minute deflection of the structure from gravity. Good work and I hope you can prove me wrong! Cheers!
Everhill69 2 years ago
Thank you Von Martin. I can tell you that the FREE energy community will be thanking you and posting this video EVERYWHERE. With out your thinking out side the box, the faculties would have people still conditioned to the non ether. You sir are a bloody hero!! Thank you very much your work is appreciated my friend.
ashtweth 2 years ago
Lookup:
E. W. Silvertooth, "Experimental detection of the ether," Speculations in Science and Technology, vol. 10, no. 1, May 1986.
Also see:
In that same issue beginning on page nine, is a summary by H. Aspden entitled 'On the Silvertooth Experiment'.
rlpaddock 2 years ago
Very intriguing. well done. my head is spinning with the implications of this observation
bhoptoad 2 years ago
I wish we did have 3 experiments. One for each axis.
It would appear that frame dragging decays with distance. Can we get data for the interference ratios above and below horizontal? Is it symmetrical?
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
Hello? Oh, well - just thought I would ask.
We do expect gradients in the spatial curvatures existent in both gravity and magnetism. In both cases the field density relaxes with altitude. It would be good to eliminate these as possibilities before assuming this shows an Aether. Of course, Space-time is the Aether of our generation, and if it's distortion is what we know as gravity and electromagnetism, then perhaps all the puzzle pieces are starting to fall into place. ;-)
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago