The Dull Flame of Desire poetry in Stalker film

[doggod106]

from what I've heard (haven't watched the movie but read the wiki) there is a Loner in the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat game that is a reference to the stalker character in the film he has a black dog and recites quotes from the bible though there is 2 characters in the game series that could be references but idk I haven't seen the movie so I'm not sure.

[Anahi673]

Я люблю ваши дорогие глаза, мой друг,

С их играть так ярко и чудесный,

Когда вы оперативно рост их, и,

Как и молнии в дикости,

Embrace сразу всю землю.

Но это еще не все сказочные места:

Глаза направлены на этаже

В сумасшедшей соприкосновения,

И через ресницы, поставленных перед,

сумрак и мрачный пламя страсти

[jakeupstudios]

@theeyeoftheduck the one i remember is M83-By the Kiss 

[gospodjoako]

I love your eyes, my dear

their splendid, sparkling fire

when suddenly you raise them so to cast a swift embracing glance

like lightning flashing in the sky

but there's a charm that is greater still:

when my love's eyes are lowered

when all is fired by passions kiss

and through the downcast lashes

I see the dull flame of desire

(Fyodor Tyutchev)

[friedolin1263]

Stalker seems to show first the miseries and the next to come fall of Soviet myth, ten years before the actual. If Moscow Olympics on 1980 wanted to be a show room of success of Socialist Soviet, Tarkowskij's film (edit in Italy in 1981) does the opposite.

[sesherbes]

Para que nos entendamos, al cine de Tarkovsky debemos acercarnos como lo haríamos si nos encontráramos delante de una pintura; cómo si leyéramos poesía . Como si contempláramos un paisaje. Andrei Tarkovsky es el gran escultor de tiempo.

[sesherbes]

Cuando uno se encuentra delante de semejante obra lo único que debe hacer es dejarse llevar y percibir las sensaciones y no creer que lo más importante reside en el afán de descubrir mensajes subliminales. En realidad el cine de Andrei es más sencillo de lo que parece, porque es sincero. La dificultad reside en que el espectador debe estar a la altura de las circunstancias, y ser sensible, no mental. Sólo así seremos capaces de disfrutar del arte

[sesherbes]

Creo que no es necesario buscar un significado metafórico a esta obra de arte.

Las obras de Andrei siempre han huido del mensaje encriptado y de la lectura concebida para desvelarla mediante la razón. Las obras de Andrei son puro arte, arte en estado puro. La mirada por la que debemos optar es mas profunda.

[serlazch]

where i can find the russian version

[MmaktuBb]

First I thought that it was a trick, but a friend told me that the girl actually did it and if you look at her face carefully it's not just good acting she really controls those glasses. after all I've seen how people move peaces of paper with they're eyes so why not glasses.

[MmaktuBb]

First I thought that it was a trick, but a friend told me that the girl actually did it and if you look at her face carefully it's not just good acting she really controls those glasses. after all I've seen how people move peaces of paper with they're eyes so why not glasses.

[ppitm]

So was the Stalker upset because the Writer and Professor had no faith in themselves and refused to enter? But he entered and Moneky's power (assuming it exists) is the result of his wish?

[n1b3luNg]

Props the the flim and novel that inspired the greatest game series ever!

[volunteerz]

What about the cutscene before this clip, it features a panoramic view over some sort of lake with an industrial setting in the background.

Has it occured to anybody else that the Zone could be a critique about the modernized society, like the Chernobyl accident and how it affected people?

[Dubroar]

@volunteerz Do you realise this film was shot before the Chernobyl accident??

[volunteerz]

On imdb it says that Tarkovsky was indeed inspired by a closed up, nuclear disaster in the 50s Russia.

[Dubroar]

@volunteerz Interesting, i didn't know about that. thx!

[Bolinas1971]

its not the train, honey bunny

[bradshawvincent]

my take on this is that the zone had finally rewarded the stalker by giving his daughter (monkey) a new power to compensate for her not being able to walk. dont forget the zone was supposed to make our deepest desires come true and the stalkers desire to have his daughter fixed must have been overwhelming.maybe thats why he stuck with it for so long.

[Astromaxis]

Wow Intense - by dropping and aligning all those objects - she exemplified "The Dull Flame of Desire" via telekinetic intensity. I really wanna see this movie - I haven't heard of it but Thanks And Allah Bless all of you that you did introduce me.

It looks awesomely different - this movie - I didn't understand her words but I think it is the poem in Russian? But it's an awesome sequence. I love the fragility-intensity-strength in her eyes - she knows a thing or two about life despite her age.

[Windkind0]

@Astromaxis I would DEEPLY advice you to see this movie. When I watched it, it was winter and it looked a bit like the movie with fog and rain and I had high expectations. But there are no words to descripe how I felt afterwards.

[TakovskyPoetOfCinema]

After watching mirror and indeed Stalker i was confused. And I myself tried to work out with a friend what certain scenes symbolised and meant. Tarkovsky's films are in essence what life is all about. If we try and work images and scenarios out intellectually we will get no where

If we accept what is happening and enhance ourselves emotionally and spiritually with the his films, with art, with life, the we truth is reached.

[modernmilk]

Though she can move objects with her mind, she looks depressed. I can see "the dull flame of desire". It's worth mentioning the candle scene in Nostalghia. I think scenes like these two describe a very big feeling about life.

[modernmilk]

Though she can move objects with her mind, she looks depressed.

[VECTOR242ify]

Mirror in a Mirror, either this one, so ever, simply reveal kinda Language of the spirit....Itself..

[xOxOPoetryXoXo]

Whoever made this is a fucktard

[videochemist]

no subs? moving on...

[MsAgagas]

I love your eyes, my darling friend,

Their play so passionate and bright'ning,

When a sudden stare up you send,

And like a heaven-blown lightning,

It'd take in all from end to end

But there's more that I admire:

Your eyes when they're downcast

n bursts of love-inspired fire

And through the eyelash goes fast

A somber, dull call of desire...

[Kurtlane]

Tarkovsky's movies have a deeper mystery that cannot be comprehended by either dogmatic atheist or dogmatic religious. But it does go well with Soviet reality, where Communists (without desiring to do so) released spirituality form temples and had it flowing in the air. It settled on anyone: religious and atheist, and communists too.

(This plus a sense of humor are the only good things I can say about Soviet society.)

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Unfortunately, this scene is too direct for me. The glasses shouldn't move, only the dream of them moving should be there.

[YuriDante]

Is Beethoven's 9th at the very ending, when the "train" passes, etc?

[DeathCrone22]

I liked the first version of the script better, because then it had a focus on how a human's nature is from what he shows to the world. But then, every version of the Stalker story has a different message and every of them is great.

[sociallaicos]

desire moves everything

[stgoramirez]

The photgraphy of the entire movie is so brilliant. Every moment has its translation to image. Every mood is interpretated so clearly by the lightning and color. Besides, all the camerawork is so perfect. This is a lesson for every filmmaker, of what is the real sense of cinema. Grande tarkovski conchetumareee

[Buzzoro]

She is a Child of the Zone, She cant walk on her own but as you can see in this scene she has a ability that normal humans doesnt have. It also shows a little that the Zone gives and Takes.

[RationalEmotive]

The scene has the power to make you question your previous interpretation of the film, namely that the zone is real, symbolic or imaginary. The visual story-telling here is more in favor of the view that the zone in fact is real.

I think we find spirituality in banal things and necessarily have to do so.

[inhmn]

Tarkovsky is faithful orthodox christian so the end is very biblical. The zone symbolize God - the stalker is pilgrim who believes with all his heart in God - however the rest of the humanity is absorbed with scepticism and greed. That's why the stalker dies in the end - because of the lack of believe he found in his two followers. However - the happy end above is eloquent - the child is carrying the faith - his faith moves the glasses - he tame the black dog (symbolizing the disbelief) and ...

[inhmn]

we're hearing train and classical music - marks of the expansive human spirit subservient to God. This is it.

[divinewaters]

thats complete bullshit.. Tarkovsky had faith but he also (in biographys and interviews) had great annoyance when people would claim his films were faith based as if he was trying to Proselytize.. he made films about emotions and people, peope with faith and without and he never once tried tomake one better then other.. just as kieslowski's decalogue didnt Proselytizing the 10 commandments but instead showed us humanity and the common struggles people face beyond religion, race , sex or age

[inhmn]

don't start the humanism bullshits. Tarkovsky was the first director who involved religious themes in his art and in the Soviet Union this was something very dangerous and unaccpetable for the regime. He was the first of the many artist who returned to the spiritual and deny the souless atheism of the comunists.

[Duffy035]

Tarkovsky has claimed many times he's an agnostic, hence, doing movies about life. No more, no less. You will just have to see your own life within the mise-en-scéne.

The zone symbolize life.

[TheGeoffh]

Agnostic? Where does he say that? I've read lots of stuff on and by Tarkovsky and I'm not aware of his Agnosticism, but more of his Orthodox Christianity? If by agnosticism, he purported not to know everything with certainty, then maybe, but his faith was solid. That is more to do with mystery than certainty, nicely tying a tight know around life and the spiritual, just wasn't Tarkovsky.

[kinaskatinaszalia]

@TheGeoffh Search for a video in youtube where he speaks about art. there he says that he is agnostic. :)

[TheGeoffh]

@kinaskatinaszalia I think you are taking this out of context. His agnosticism is merely an affirmation of mystery, that even through faith, everything is not tied down with a neat dogmatic knot. If you read Gianvito's book of Tarkovsky interviews, it becomes clear that his agnosticism is not a loss of faith, but an appeal against what can be claimed through institutionalised religion, ie a rigid certainty.

[spikedgav]

i think you're reading too deeply into it

[Duffy035]

True. "The more we know, the less we know: getting deeper, our horizon becomes narrower"

Tarkovkys own words.

[TheGeoffh]

@inhmn however, Tarkovsky said he didn't weork in symbols but metaphors!

[TheGeoffh]

@inhmn however, Tarkovsky said he didn't work in symbols but metaphors!

[spareaxe]

I saw this film and I still don't understand it fully!

[contigo121]

I recommend watching it again to allow it to take root and grow on you ... eventually it will reveal itself.

[MaxGootkind]

1:40 when I hear the dog it creeps me out, like the dog knows or feels that something is terribly wrong.

[Ochsenburg]

superb in all respects

[gionnimarchetti]

Amo gli occhi tuoi, amica mia, e i loro giochi. Splendidi di fiamme quando li alzi all'improvviso e, come fulmine celeste, guardi veloce tutt'intorno. Ma c'è un fascino più forte: gli occhi tuoi rivolti verso il basso, negli attimi che un bacio appassionato, e fra le ciglia semichiuse del desiderio, il fumo, il fosco fuoco... Fyodor Tyutchev translated in italian. One of my favourite movies.

[bradshawvincent]

im interested in technically how this scene was shot.assuming she doesnt really have telekinetic powers i assume its done with magnets?? cant see evidence of fine wires?? any answers?

[pliskn11]

magnets in the bottom of the cups with the other charge on the bottom of the table

[Serg200869]

Another version : My friend, I so adore your eyes, Their fiery and wondrous gaze, When, like a lightning from the skies, They strike, light up and set ablaze Whole world, when it in darkness lies. But other charms I do admire: Your eyes cast down, when abash'd, You kiss me, trembling with desire, And underneath half-raised eyelash Dim glow of sullen lustful fire.

( Fyodor Tyutchev )

[Serg200869]

I love your eyes, my dear their splendid, sparkling fire when suddenly you raise them so to cast a swift embracing glance like lightning flashing in the sky but there's a charm that is greater still: when my love's eyes are lowered when all is fired by passions kiss and through the downcast lashes I see the dull flame of desire. ( Fyodor Tyutchev )

[joet88]

my friend just showed me this movie. really special

[XARE1]

Grandísima película, en mi opinión, la mejor que he visto nunca. Tarkovsky posee esa capacidad de transmisión y profundidad que le permite llegar hasta lo más hondo de nosotros mismos. Sinceramente, no he conodico mejor director, al menos por el momento. Lo que he sentido viendo sus películas es algo que siempre llevaré en mi interior y que me ha descubierto otro mundo más allá de lo complejo o de lo poético, un regalo que no tiene precio.

Gracias por la escena.

[sesherbes]

Quizás deberias ver el resto de sus obras, son impresionantes.

Me ha gustado leer estas palabras puesto que a mí me ocurrió exactamente lo mismo que a tí y desde entonces no puedo separarme de sus imágenes.

El problema es que al final no puedo ver otro cine sin compararlo con el de Andrei. Ingmar Bergman quizás es el que se acerca más.

¿cómo llegaste a conocer a este autor? ¿te interesa el arte?

[Vandertop]

This scene somehow reminds me of film footage I've seen from the sixties showing Russian psychics demonstrating psychokinetic abilities. They are supposedly moving objects using the power of their own minds. Were they for real or just clever tricksters?

[hibakusha0]

I think that Tarkovsky offers two possibilities here.

The sound of the train comes in subtly - hinting that perhaps the sound of the train was there all along, but Monkey just didn't think about it.

So- she dreams that she is able to move the glasses with her mind.

Or did she really do it? Or was it just the train? This is Tarkovsky giving us the choice to believe what we believe. The dull flame of desire. The only thing that we can be sure of. That is the message of this scene, I think.

[PetrMatas]

I love to read your the comments here. It is most creative discusion on youtube for me. I'm excited (so much).

[hibakusha0]

Hey - search for "Stalker Final scene" to check the other video of this same scene. Discussion about the subject going on. :)

[Astromaxis]

@PetrMatas I would love to blog about these things too. Should you open anything akin to this please do tell me ^_^ This scene reminds me of a scene from the masterpiece "Revolutionary Girl Utena" a Japanese anime.

In there Utena, the protagonist, goes up to a tower that is there but also not there in the sense that no one pays much attention to it. Over there she sees a plane suddenly go by - a fighter plane - though it makes us question the pure incidence of the plane.

This film is awesome

[ateniense7]

@PetrMatas Tarkovsky was a cinematic miracle

[travisaward]

@hibakusha0 Just FYI, in the book, the stalker's daughter, Monkey, is born normal but slowly begins to "transform" due to stalker having been in the zone. It's a bit different, as in the book, Monkey actually begins to grow fur/hair and slowly devolves into something inhuman, screaming in the night.

Obviously Tarkovsky didn't follow the book 100%, but I saw this as a different take on Monkey's "mutation".

[cosmingurau]

@hibakusha0 actually, he's just showing us the middle finger, after a nearly three hour long photographic, but utterly boring videoart film.

[MinkaKalinka]

@hibakusha0 if yu think like that, you didnt get the film......

[L0rdVega]

There are three glasses. Exactly three. Did anyone else find symbolism in that?

One glass was half empty/full. This is clearly the Writer. It moved to the edge of the table but did not fall.

The glass with the eggshells in it could be the Professor. The glass moved only a little.

The empty glass finally being the Stalker. It fell off the table and onto the floor.

[apursansar]

I really like your interpretation, that makes a lot of sense to me. It´s also interesting to note that the glasses which represent the writer and the professor remain on the table and become witnesses of the magical happenings or harmonic beauty beyond human understanding in which they weren´t willing to believe, so that this scene can be understood as a final refusal of rationalism.

[SilenceDuReves]

It fell but it didn't brake...

[jumpinggirl]

i think it was plastic

[SilenceDuReves]

I was talking about the symbolism in it, not technical aspects.

[jumpinggirl]

oh! ok i understand what you mean, wasn't sure

[stgoramirez]

Very nice interpretation. Personally I think this is a gift from a great artist, who knew how to make people say this things. I think is incredible the power of this images, and how they carry so much meaning for everyone. My interpretation of this scene would be that.

[mateuszv3x]

is this a proof of zone power ?

probably i don't get it ...

[mateuszv3x]

is this proof of zone power ?

[beholder47]

One more version of translation: love your eyes, my dear Their splendid, sparkling fire When suddenly you raise them so To cast a swift embracing glance Like lightning flashing in the sky But there's a charm that is greater still: When my love's eyes are lowered When all is fired by passions kiss And through the downcast lashes I see the dull flame of desire

[Kindzadzaa]

Another translation of F.Tyutchev's poem By Y.Bonver I love your dear eyes, my friend, With their play so bright and wondrous, When you promptly rise them, and, Like with a lightning in the wildness, Embrace at once the whole land. But there's more fabulous attraction: The eyes directed to the floor During the crazy osculation, And through the lashes, set before, The dusk and gloomy flame of passion.

[beholder47]

I found a translation of the poem. of course poetry is generally untranslatable. Btw, Tarkovski truly believed in this. I love your eyes, my dear friend, With their game of flaming wonder When suddenly you look up, and Like lightening from the heaven yonder You glance, your stare so intent. But there's a charm I value higher, When you look down as we kiss, The instant we are both afire, And through the lashes see the bliss Of gloomy flame of faint desire.

[semrang]

beholder47: Do you have an idea, who is the author of this translation? For I've never come across this version before...

[beholder47]

I am not quite sure. the author of the translation may be Robert Cavanagh

[semrang]

Thanks for the info, I'll check it out :)

[mp3chudaci]

correct!

[Brokejuggler]

I've never been moved so much by another movie. I've felt so cold after the end. I don't know how to explain it but the movie is SO HAUNTING that you are overwhelmed by feelings and emotions. You just cannot ignore this movie.

[eon1968]

Greatest film ever.

[mp3chudaci]

besides "Ivan's Childhod" and "Solaris" by A. Tarkovskyj, by my opinion

[eon1968]

I do admire Andreï's other films, but to my view, Stalker is his most personnal.... This is not the picnic novel story I read many years ago, this is Andreï whole universe and at the same time a kind of prophetic masterwork, A MIRACLE in a word... in a world too! It is a joy for me to read other young spactators form the whole world appreciating so much his movies... What a marvelous man and artist he was!

[Nympholita]

great!

[magumei]

i think this ending means that a a man is a god/god is in a man. we are above scientific explanations.

[zekeriya84]

Gözlerini seviyorum, aşkım O muhteşemliği ve kıvlıcım gibi parlaması Gözünü aniden açışın, masumca göz atışın tıpkı gökyüzünde çakan şimşekler gibi Ama büyüyen bir cazibe var(gözlerinde) Aşkım gözlerini kapadığında tüm o ateşli tutkunun öpücükleri mahzunlaştığında, kirpiklerinde sönmekte olan arzuyu görüyorum. Tam türkçesi değil tabiki ama buna yakın bir şeyler. Umarım ne anlatmak istediğini anlamışınızdır.

[RuedigaSocke]

Björk hat in einem Lied das gedicht ins Englische übersetzt. Nur falls du es mal auf Englisch hören willst.

[NeoMalikov]

:D ...Freude, schoner Gotterfunken, Tochter asu Elysium!...

[orangevideo]

a masterwork....

[mahoran]

Tis a wonderful ending..Never been touched this way.Thanks for posting

[richdolanski]

Pretty intense ending for a pretty intense movie.

[TheRougeEyelash]

Telekinesis?

Ah Tarkovsky. master of the long take. I have to see this one now