Great list, but the order is a little jumbled. Lidstrom should be absolutely no lower than 4th. Slot Robinson ahead of Potvin (career +730 is sick!). Not sure about Kelly in the top 10; I'd be inclined to include Macinnis in this list too. Bang on getting Orr and Harvey 1-2.
What you have to remember is the playing field is level, if a d-man from an earlier era was supposedly handicapped by by the equipment of conditioning or whatever, so were those he played against. A great player from one era would be a great player in any era. Interesting how Shore is always the only d-man who ever gets any mention from his era in these kind of lists, but in choosing only 10 its would be difficult to include many more from that time. Tough job choosing only 10.
Lidstrom needs to be higher. Also no Leetch? I understand there is some tough competetion there but I think he deserves to be mentioned. Not a bad list though. After all it is a matter of opinion.
You have to remember that hockey is different now. faster, more penalties, better players. I would love to see how well orr would play now. I think Lidstrom is the most consistant then any d-man the last 20 years. and still pushing strong at 40 almost 41.
@Sizzmaster6985 LMAO your kidding me right. I know I am bias since Im related to Doug Harvey but there is no way he should be rated higher then 2nd. To be honest if you ask Bobby Orr who was the best defencemen ever he'll tell you Doug Harvey (that could just because he doesn't want to say himself). You guy must not know that Harvey used to play 40-50 mins a game.
@gdavies4 smellslikenirvana1 this guy has it right. my opinion is better than yours, therefor i am better than u. 1. Orr 2. Shore 3. Harvey 4. Bourque 5. Potvin 6. Lidstrom 7. Robinson 8. Kelly 9. Park 10. Coffey or Chelios
Not a bad list. Orr is obviously number one, but Brad Park should have DEFINITELY made the top ten, not just an honourable mention. Also, the other two of Montreal's Big Three, Serge Savard and Guy Lapointe, should have received honourable mentions, as should Borje Salming.
@redwingz1998 Really? Let me quote my Bruins Calender today. "Bruins had a defenseman win or second place in voting for the Norris Trophy 20 times in 29 seasons from 67' - 96'. Bobby Orr won eight straight years." So how is Lidstrom #1? Oh right he's not. I don't think Nick had a +124 +/- in a single season.
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Pretty fair list based upon the skill level during each of their eras... obviously players like Orr were a much higher caliber player compared to those of his day but you put him up skillwise against the best defenseman of today and he wouldnt compare... how many times will you see orr just skate past someone nowadays. never LOL
I disagree, you do realize that goalies back then let in what we consider nowadays 'soft goals' on a game to game basis, the speed definitely missing, physical play is not even present. The game back then reminds me of a leisurely old mens game played on a friday night. No offense
yes, i understand but the game and equipment has evolved equally and i just compare players to players in their own era's cause it is tough to compare diff. era's...but back then players were def. tougher then they are now and they didnt even wear as much equipment..Orr=best ever
@ORRfan13 You can't say that goalie and player equipment have evolved equally over the years. Just within the last 15 or so years has goalie equipment finally caught up to player equipment, and goalies have developed better styles of play. For example, back in Orr's day you had the Wing's Production line, who had a simple play to just dump the puck to the corner boards and meet the bank out in front of the net. They scored soo many goals because goalies just didn't defend against those plays.
@ORRfan13 i agree, it was harder to score a goal back in the day. there were actually people trying to stop you from scoring a goal rather than letting you.
@ArsiniC11 That's a ignorant thing to say. The whole game was different back then, so you can't compare just one player then to one player now you have to compare them to the era they played in and how dominant in comparison they were. Training, nutrition and equipment have all changed for the better, but everyone has access to it, so the league will improve equally. Sticks are better, players can shoot better, and goalies can stop better. So you look at how dominant a player they were.
the game was diff then, You could knock 300 goals off Gretz if he played against the goalies of today, but players like that changed the game and if they skated and conditioned like players today, they would still be that much better
@ArsiniC11 You must be 12 yrs old. People skate past other players every game. Tell me how Orr would be less a player today considering : 1. Today's skates and equipment are much better. 2. His Contract would be for $20 mill a year. 3. Medical treatment and physical training is better, so he'd healthier and stronger. 4. Massive expansion in the league today. 5. Graphite, kevlar sticks would make his shot even harder. Orr would dominate every Era. His PLUS / MINUS is mind boggling.
lindstrom has def. showed great longevity but i just didnt find his "prime" to be as dominant as guys like potvin and bourque..however, since making this list i can now justify lindstrom over coffey, they close in my ranking and it could go either way
lidstroms prime was in 2008 in my opinion he had 10 goals 60 assits and a plus 40 rating. he was the best player in the that season crosby nor malkin ever got by him to do all that much damage in the finals and i doubt ovchkin would beat him either. today though he looks like hes lost his edge.
@20003606 Lidstrom is 4th on my list behind Orr, Harvey and Bourque. Ray, who I rank 3rd, was a better hitter, better at breaking up odd man rushes, & better at going into the corner-hitting a guy, and coming away with the puck! Lidstrom was better at avoiding hits and skating away from conflict!
Bourque played in the greatest era of D-men! Potvin, Chelios, Coffey, Robinson, Stevenson, MacInnis, Housley...etc! Lidstrom has had no competition compared to Ray!
1. Bobby Orr 2. Ray Bourque 3. Denis Potvin 4. Larry Robinson 5. Nick Lidstrom 6. Brad Park 7. Doug Harvey 8. Eddie Shore 9. Paul Coffey 10. Brian Leetch 8. Do
Bourque would probably rate higher but i just cant get out of my head the way Lemieux owned him and the May day goal in overtime in 1993.Hard to imagine brad may undressing denis potvin like that.
mcreebees14, you said that potvin won 2 more cups then orr. are you aware that orr played like 8 years in the league. he is undoubtibly the best defenceman off all time. im with you ORRfan13.
well, first of all im not a B's fan, im a leafs fan (bobby orr is just my fav player and i liked the eraly 70's bruins)...
actually, i love potvin and he dominated hte league in the early 80's and the only thing hurts his ranking is thats he played for such a short career, espeially when youy compare to bourque and coffey who had exceptionally long careers...
orr and bossy?? mike bossy was a forward for the isles during their dynasty in th eearly 80's with trottier and POTVIN amongst other notable players....
even though potvin played from 73- 89 his prime was shortin the last couple of years he didnt do much but his prime was ridiculous in which he was by far the best d-men in hte laegue and one of the top players in general but bourque played for 21 seasons in which every year he was considered one of the top d-men in the league even in 2001
i know seasons isn't short but Potvin's PRIME was rather condensed when compared to guys like bourque and lidstrom....even though Potvin's primewas better then all other d-men not named orr or shore, the longevity factor punishes him greatly..
Who cares if it's condensed that makes absolutley no sense. He won 4 straight Stanley Cups, I would say he didn't waste any of that time and put it to spectacular use. More so than the thousands of thousands that played this game since the NHL was born.
Let the ego go, because you are embarrassing yourself.
the stanley cup argument is stupid because a team wins the cup not a player(unless its bobby orr)...also, i'm pretty sure that Coffey won like 5 cups or something like that, so you point is...........
It isn't the length of time, it's what you do with that time that matters. It's a very basic life lesson(let alone hockey) that you obviously have missed.
He was one of the main factors is putting the Isles on the map, I would say he did his job with excellent results. He raised that cup over his head 3 times more than Bourque and 2 more times that Orr. So you tell me how that qualifies as a "shortened prime."
yes, i agree that it is the skill and quality of hockey a player presents but to a degree longevity is a factor....once again, your Cup arguement is stupid, inaccurate and childish....im just saying bourque's prime was much longer than potvin's and bourque was basically a top 5 d-men every season he played.
Potvin played 78 games in 1983-84, 70 games in 77 games in 1984-85, 74 games 1985-86, 58 games 1986-87 and his last year 72 games in 1987-88.
The ONLY player who had a shortened career with Isles from that era was Bossy, that is why I brought it up and I know he was a right winger but there was no one else.
I think you should do more homework, because aside from Orr, Potvin is #2. Unlike the others Potvin lead his team in scoring for 3 seasons, he literally carried that team.
i don't think i need to do my homework...also, i to am a believer that Potvin did remarkable things for the Isles during their dynasty but it can not be said that Potvin single-handedly carried the Isles when he was playing with guys like Trottier and Bossy who were amongst the top forwards in the league at that time
He carried them for 3 seasons in scoring, don't you read? I didn't say the entire time, I mentioned that because none of the others you mentioned (with the exception of Orr) did that. You have to proof read man, Jesus Christ.
i uess with your limited knowledge in hockey that you have probably never heard of Eddie Shore who won 4 hart trophies as mvp and how many d-men have ever won the hart?? that's right buddy, i agree that Potvin should be over Coffey but behind orr, shore, harvey and bourque.
You are about it be roasted here, here are Potvin's accomplishments: Retired as the NHL career leader in playoff goals, assists, and points for defencemen. Won the James Norris Memorial Trophy as the NHL's best defenceman in 1976, 1978, and 1979. In 1991, he was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame and Ottawa Sports Hall of Fame. Retired having scored 310 goals and 742 assists for 1,052 points (at the time, the NHL career leader in all those categories for defencemen) in 1,060 games.
bourque currently holds the records for most goals, assists and points by a defenceman. 1612 games played with 410 goals and 1169 assists and 1579 points. and is 3rd all-time in career +/- behind only orr and robinson and won the norris in 87, 88, 90, 91 and 94.
Last but not least he won 4 straight Stanley Cups as the teams captain, along with multiple Conference and division banners.
That was in his prime, and unless you are a total idiot, that was one hell of a prime that any player would give their soul to have. So you are talking out of your ass, what did you want him to do? Win 10 Stanley cups and then that would be acceptable "long career?" 16 years is a long career you idiot, and he used every bit of that talent and potential.
yeah, i would like to have put lidstrom higher but i just couldn't justify him beside potvin, bourque and shore...although his longevity and his defensive responsibility are amazing
Uh... hello?? ROB BLAKE!?!?!?!?
Minacious 6 days ago
Great list, but the order is a little jumbled. Lidstrom should be absolutely no lower than 4th. Slot Robinson ahead of Potvin (career +730 is sick!). Not sure about Kelly in the top 10; I'd be inclined to include Macinnis in this list too. Bang on getting Orr and Harvey 1-2.
narishma 1 month ago
Orr 1
Bourque 2
Leetch 3
Salming 4
Lindstrom 5
Coffey 6
Harvey 7
Robinson 8
Chelios 9
Pronger 10
gohabsgo203 1 month ago
What you have to remember is the playing field is level, if a d-man from an earlier era was supposedly handicapped by by the equipment of conditioning or whatever, so were those he played against. A great player from one era would be a great player in any era. Interesting how Shore is always the only d-man who ever gets any mention from his era in these kind of lists, but in choosing only 10 its would be difficult to include many more from that time. Tough job choosing only 10.
tulagi1 3 months ago
There's no way in hell Harvey is better than Shore.
duolcoiram 9 months ago
ummmm if anyone thinks lidstrom is number 8 then you are a complete total fucking hilljack baby fucking idiot, i deff think he should be number oner
Dr3amTh3ater 11 months ago
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Dr3amTh3ater 11 months ago
Lidstrom needs to be higher. Also no Leetch? I understand there is some tough competetion there but I think he deserves to be mentioned. Not a bad list though. After all it is a matter of opinion.
Killdo2112 1 year ago
weres the black guy lmao
themagicaltragic 1 year ago
You have to remember that hockey is different now. faster, more penalties, better players. I would love to see how well orr would play now. I think Lidstrom is the most consistant then any d-man the last 20 years. and still pushing strong at 40 almost 41.
BiggySn1p3r 1 year ago
@BiggySn1p3r - better players???????you must be out of your mind. !!!!
jimdylanyoung 11 months ago
@jimdylanyoung more skilled and better hockey smarts. Ex: Pavel Datsyuk. He can do things that are magic, but he's great defensively.
BiggySn1p3r 11 months ago
1 orr
2 shore
3 Bourque
4 harvey
5 lindstom boston owns the 3 greatest deffens men ever
Sizzmaster6985 1 year ago
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@Sizzmaster6985 LMAO your kidding me right. I know I am bias since Im related to Doug Harvey but there is no way he should be rated higher then 2nd. To be honest if you ask Bobby Orr who was the best defencemen ever he'll tell you Doug Harvey (that could just because he doesn't want to say himself). You guy must not know that Harvey used to play 40-50 mins a game.
GKaludis 1 year ago
robertchflynn 1 year ago
Serge Savard!!!!!!
BrianStokalev 1 year ago
Potvin should be much higher, so should MacInnis. Coffey wasn't so great defensively. Pronger should be in there. How many Dmen win the hart?
fls13ec 1 year ago
Just think if Bobby Orrs knee didn't fail him,The Bruins would've had Orr,Brad Park and a rookie named Raymond Bourque on the same team.
shawn11758 1 year ago
Definitely Brad Park should be on the list.
aprilwiner 1 year ago
LIdstrom number 8? are you seriousssss hes easily in the top 3
jaipaul68 1 year ago
@jaipaul68 not that lidstrom isnt great, but to say that he is better than bourque, harvey, or orr would be wrong
BrianStokalev 1 year ago
scott stevens??? no 5 for sure!!! coffey??? stupid
BenMatlock69 1 year ago
@BenMatlock69 Remember Coffey? The guy who scored almost 50 goals in a season, when playing D? He belongs into the list.
11DNA11 1 year ago
@BenMatlock69 u kiddin right , Stevens was good but he Brodeur Neidermayer and Rafalski and another big time defenseman who i cant rememerb
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BenMatlock69 1 year ago
Not a bad list. Orr is obviously number one, but Brad Park should have DEFINITELY made the top ten, not just an honourable mention. Also, the other two of Montreal's Big Three, Serge Savard and Guy Lapointe, should have received honourable mentions, as should Borje Salming.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
phil housley is great!
jjackiejack 1 year ago
lidstrom should at least be 2nd, not 8, 6 norris rophy winner and 1000+ points
11boogeyman 1 year ago
phil housley was the biggest pussy defensemen out there.
alltoohuman44 1 year ago
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@alltoohuman44 phil was not. you fruit cup. he is great.
jjackiejack 1 year ago
@alltoohuman44 weirdo
jjackiejack 1 year ago
lidstrom number 1 sorry
redwingz1998 1 year ago
@redwingz1998 Really? Let me quote my Bruins Calender today. "Bruins had a defenseman win or second place in voting for the Norris Trophy 20 times in 29 seasons from 67' - 96'. Bobby Orr won eight straight years." So how is Lidstrom #1? Oh right he's not. I don't think Nick had a +124 +/- in a single season.
Paulywhore 1 year ago
How can you have Lidstrom at 8th?
This video is a complete joke.
EmcUnited 1 year ago 7
1. Orr
2. Shore
3. Harvey
4. Bourque
5. Potvin
6. Lidstrom
7. Robinson
8. Kelly
9. Park
10. Coffey or Chelios
smellslikenirvana1 1 year ago
@smellslikenirvana1 This list is much, much better!
magich8ball 1 year ago
i agree completely with the list
pavukino 1 year ago
Lidstrom is only #8? Wtf.....
bishoppx 2 years ago
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Pretty fair list based upon the skill level during each of their eras... obviously players like Orr were a much higher caliber player compared to those of his day but you put him up skillwise against the best defenseman of today and he wouldnt compare... how many times will you see orr just skate past someone nowadays. never LOL
ArsiniC11 2 years ago
orr is uncomparable to anyone else, he is simply the best and would utterly dominate in any era.....
ORRfan13 2 years ago 9
I disagree, you do realize that goalies back then let in what we consider nowadays 'soft goals' on a game to game basis, the speed definitely missing, physical play is not even present. The game back then reminds me of a leisurely old mens game played on a friday night. No offense
ArsiniC11 2 years ago
yes, i understand but the game and equipment has evolved equally and i just compare players to players in their own era's cause it is tough to compare diff. era's...but back then players were def. tougher then they are now and they didnt even wear as much equipment..Orr=best ever
ORRfan13 2 years ago 2
@ORRfan13 You can't say that goalie and player equipment have evolved equally over the years. Just within the last 15 or so years has goalie equipment finally caught up to player equipment, and goalies have developed better styles of play. For example, back in Orr's day you had the Wing's Production line, who had a simple play to just dump the puck to the corner boards and meet the bank out in front of the net. They scored soo many goals because goalies just didn't defend against those plays.
bishoppx 2 years ago
@ORRfan13 everything was much slower then...
snowsouler 1 year ago
@ORRfan13 i agree, it was harder to score a goal back in the day. there were actually people trying to stop you from scoring a goal rather than letting you.
BenMatlock69 1 year ago
@ArsiniC11 That's a ignorant thing to say. The whole game was different back then, so you can't compare just one player then to one player now you have to compare them to the era they played in and how dominant in comparison they were. Training, nutrition and equipment have all changed for the better, but everyone has access to it, so the league will improve equally. Sticks are better, players can shoot better, and goalies can stop better. So you look at how dominant a player they were.
Sunderlanding 7 months ago
@ORRfan13
So true. LOL, can there really be any better hockey player than Robert Gordon Orr?
No. He embarrassed ALL who played against him.
For the love of the game: Number 4 Bobby Orr.
TheCurtisLeMay 6 months ago
@TheCurtisLeMay gretzky says hi
kevinmuise13 5 months ago
actually probably pretty often
theguyinblue 2 years ago
the game was diff then, You could knock 300 goals off Gretz if he played against the goalies of today, but players like that changed the game and if they skated and conditioned like players today, they would still be that much better
BradyMVP66 2 years ago
@ArsiniC11 You must be 12 yrs old. People skate past other players every game. Tell me how Orr would be less a player today considering : 1. Today's skates and equipment are much better. 2. His Contract would be for $20 mill a year. 3. Medical treatment and physical training is better, so he'd healthier and stronger. 4. Massive expansion in the league today. 5. Graphite, kevlar sticks would make his shot even harder. Orr would dominate every Era. His PLUS / MINUS is mind boggling.
matt75hooper 1 year ago
You.......!!!!! how dare you say that!!!!!!
lilmisshelbyy 7 months ago
@lilmisshelbyy
SAYYYYY WHA???
ArsiniC11 7 months ago
lidstrom should be at least 3rd he has 6 norris trophys and 1005 points while missing 2 years of nhl play due to the strike.
20003606 2 years ago
lindstrom has def. showed great longevity but i just didnt find his "prime" to be as dominant as guys like potvin and bourque..however, since making this list i can now justify lindstrom over coffey, they close in my ranking and it could go either way
ORRfan13 2 years ago
lidstroms prime was in 2008 in my opinion he had 10 goals 60 assits and a plus 40 rating. he was the best player in the that season crosby nor malkin ever got by him to do all that much damage in the finals and i doubt ovchkin would beat him either. today though he looks like hes lost his edge.
20003606 2 years ago
@ORRfan13 your list sucks thats why only 1900 ppl watched it.
Tr0llsNeverDie 1 year ago
@20003606 Lidstrom is 4th on my list behind Orr, Harvey and Bourque. Ray, who I rank 3rd, was a better hitter, better at breaking up odd man rushes, & better at going into the corner-hitting a guy, and coming away with the puck! Lidstrom was better at avoiding hits and skating away from conflict!
Bourque played in the greatest era of D-men! Potvin, Chelios, Coffey, Robinson, Stevenson, MacInnis, Housley...etc! Lidstrom has had no competition compared to Ray!
SlipSlydinLydin 7 months ago
nicklas lidström pwns!
ogarish 2 years ago
hannover5551 2 years ago
nice list, however shore and harvey seem a little high at 7 and 8...i like the listing of bourque and potvin near the top though
ORRfan13 2 years ago
@hannover5551 Dumbest list ever. Check what anybody who played back in the day says about Doug Harvey then make a new list.
GKaludis 1 year ago
Just wondering about one thing :) Red Kelly in my book is one of the best D-men and one of the best forwards aswell :)
11DNA11 2 years ago
yippers
he could play both positions fluently
ORRfan13 2 years ago
bobby or is god
dassupernazi 2 years ago
how dare you spell god's name incorrectly!! lol *orr
ORRfan13 2 years ago
Bourque would probably rate higher but i just cant get out of my head the way Lemieux owned him and the May day goal in overtime in 1993.Hard to imagine brad may undressing denis potvin like that.
72768487912002 2 years ago
mcreebees14, you said that potvin won 2 more cups then orr. are you aware that orr played like 8 years in the league. he is undoubtibly the best defenceman off all time. im with you ORRfan13.
jewstin13 2 years ago
yeah, for sure, i believe potvin to be ahead of coffey now (after i made teh list) but my no means is anyone close to orr..
ORRfan13 2 years ago
1.Bobby Orr
2.doug harvey
3.eddie shore
4.nikolas lidstrom
5.red kelly
6.denis potvin
7.larry robinson
8.paul coffey
9.ray bourque
10.brad park
72768487912002 2 years ago
not bad, after making my list i have realized i would swap park in at 10 for stevens and put potvin ahead of coffey
ORRfan13 2 years ago
bourque 9th? really?
vargaha 2 years ago
Orr was a plus 1 for every game he played. Add a powerplay goal for every game he played. That's 2 to 0 before the Ref drops the puck.
Nobody---nobody even close to those numbers.
Any questions ?
matt75hooper 2 years ago
indeed
ORRfan13 2 years ago
Why am I not amazed a B's fan would put most of the Bruins in the top 5.
You are high if you think Coffey, Bourque and Harvey were better than Potvin.
Very high.
mrceebees14 2 years ago
well, first of all im not a B's fan, im a leafs fan (bobby orr is just my fav player and i liked the eraly 70's bruins)...
actually, i love potvin and he dominated hte league in the early 80's and the only thing hurts his ranking is thats he played for such a short career, espeially when youy compare to bourque and coffey who had exceptionally long careers...
ORRfan13 2 years ago
My apologies for jumping at you.
1973 to 1989 is a short career?
mrceebees14 2 years ago
After re-reading what you wrote, I think you might be confusing Orr with Bossy?
mrceebees14 2 years ago
orr and bossy?? mike bossy was a forward for the isles during their dynasty in th eearly 80's with trottier and POTVIN amongst other notable players....
even though potvin played from 73- 89 his prime was shortin the last couple of years he didnt do much but his prime was ridiculous in which he was by far the best d-men in hte laegue and one of the top players in general but bourque played for 21 seasons in which every year he was considered one of the top d-men in the league even in 2001
ORRfan13 2 years ago
Yes, I know, that is why I mentioned him because he is the only Islander from that era that played a shortened career.
Denis played 16 seasons, that isn't short, I don't know where you got that from.
mrceebees14 2 years ago
i know seasons isn't short but Potvin's PRIME was rather condensed when compared to guys like bourque and lidstrom....even though Potvin's primewas better then all other d-men not named orr or shore, the longevity factor punishes him greatly..
ORRfan13 2 years ago
Who cares if it's condensed that makes absolutley no sense. He won 4 straight Stanley Cups, I would say he didn't waste any of that time and put it to spectacular use. More so than the thousands of thousands that played this game since the NHL was born.
Let the ego go, because you are embarrassing yourself.
mrceebees14 2 years ago
the stanley cup argument is stupid because a team wins the cup not a player(unless its bobby orr)...also, i'm pretty sure that Coffey won like 5 cups or something like that, so you point is...........
ORRfan13 2 years ago
It isn't the length of time, it's what you do with that time that matters. It's a very basic life lesson(let alone hockey) that you obviously have missed.
He was one of the main factors is putting the Isles on the map, I would say he did his job with excellent results. He raised that cup over his head 3 times more than Bourque and 2 more times that Orr. So you tell me how that qualifies as a "shortened prime."
mrceebees14 2 years ago
yes, i agree that it is the skill and quality of hockey a player presents but to a degree longevity is a factor....once again, your Cup arguement is stupid, inaccurate and childish....im just saying bourque's prime was much longer than potvin's and bourque was basically a top 5 d-men every season he played.
ORRfan13 2 years ago
Potvin played 78 games in 1983-84, 70 games in 77 games in 1984-85, 74 games 1985-86, 58 games 1986-87 and his last year 72 games in 1987-88.
The ONLY player who had a shortened career with Isles from that era was Bossy, that is why I brought it up and I know he was a right winger but there was no one else.
I think you should do more homework, because aside from Orr, Potvin is #2. Unlike the others Potvin lead his team in scoring for 3 seasons, he literally carried that team.
mrceebees14 2 years ago
i don't think i need to do my homework...also, i to am a believer that Potvin did remarkable things for the Isles during their dynasty but it can not be said that Potvin single-handedly carried the Isles when he was playing with guys like Trottier and Bossy who were amongst the top forwards in the league at that time
ORRfan13 2 years ago
He carried them for 3 seasons in scoring, don't you read? I didn't say the entire time, I mentioned that because none of the others you mentioned (with the exception of Orr) did that. You have to proof read man, Jesus Christ.
mrceebees14 2 years ago
i uess with your limited knowledge in hockey that you have probably never heard of Eddie Shore who won 4 hart trophies as mvp and how many d-men have ever won the hart?? that's right buddy, i agree that Potvin should be over Coffey but behind orr, shore, harvey and bourque.
ORRfan13 2 years ago
You are about it be roasted here, here are Potvin's accomplishments: Retired as the NHL career leader in playoff goals, assists, and points for defencemen. Won the James Norris Memorial Trophy as the NHL's best defenceman in 1976, 1978, and 1979. In 1991, he was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame and Ottawa Sports Hall of Fame. Retired having scored 310 goals and 742 assists for 1,052 points (at the time, the NHL career leader in all those categories for defencemen) in 1,060 games.
mrceebees14 2 years ago
bourque currently holds the records for most goals, assists and points by a defenceman. 1612 games played with 410 goals and 1169 assists and 1579 points. and is 3rd all-time in career +/- behind only orr and robinson and won the norris in 87, 88, 90, 91 and 94.
ORRfan13 2 years ago
Last but not least he won 4 straight Stanley Cups as the teams captain, along with multiple Conference and division banners.
That was in his prime, and unless you are a total idiot, that was one hell of a prime that any player would give their soul to have. So you are talking out of your ass, what did you want him to do? Win 10 Stanley cups and then that would be acceptable "long career?" 16 years is a long career you idiot, and he used every bit of that talent and potential.
mrceebees14 2 years ago
once again, i dont even look at the cup arguement because it is like saying that if orr never won a cup then you cant consider him to be great...
ORRfan13 2 years ago
I like how you re-wrote this, you are sad.
mrceebees14 2 years ago
i also like how you have no life
ORRfan13 2 years ago
Very good list, Orr is undisputed. As a Red Wings fan, would've liked to see my captain a bit higher, but I guess I'm unfairly partial to Lidstrom.
magicman13 2 years ago
yeah, i would like to have put lidstrom higher but i just couldn't justify him beside potvin, bourque and shore...although his longevity and his defensive responsibility are amazing
ORRfan13 2 years ago
nice listing, can't really argue with the selections or the ordering -- and the henrix vib is a bonus!
85highlander 2 years ago
thanks man! i have seen all your bobby orr vids, which are also really good...
ORRfan13 2 years ago