Pro-human rights protest in Beijing

[LinkmanSK]

Only way how to protest for me is to massive stop paying taxes to communist china...

[xxwzaebd]

The fact that China has simply become too strong is now acting negatively on all freedom movements around the world. A very dark age is coming.

[megamarsvin]

Even though I agree that there is a lot of work to be done, China is improving very rapidly. Maybe not as fast as we in the West would like to see but I believe the faster the Chinese middle classes grow and the wealthier the average population gets, the faster things will improve.

[xxwzaebd]

Not likely. Based on China's history, the party will brutally oppress any kind of opposition that might surface as a result of middle class growth. Different than in Europe where the economy growth of the middle class enabled by the industrial revolution resulted in development of democracy.

[TheMightyGuri]

@megamarsvin

the improvement will start by the downfall of the CCP 

[megamarsvin]

@TheMightyGuri And then what? You think that will end all injustice? Like the way killing Saddam made Iraq a safe and democratic place to live? Like we Westerners "fixed" Afghanistan?

No. If China wants to change it has to change from within. It's not your country.

[TheMightyGuri]

@megamarsvin

the downfall HAVE to come from within, no doubt about that

and i have also no doubt that the people of china will make it

bring the CCP down now!!!!

[megamarsvin]

@TheMightyGuri Every government falls eventually. I just think we in the West need to fix our own shit before we start criticizing others.

[TheMightyGuri]

@megamarsvin

i criticize both

[TheMightyGuri]

@megamarsvin

let me be more specific: at least we are able to criticize our government here in the west while in china, the people get dragged away and thrown into illegal jails

and this, all against chinas constitution

[megamarsvin]

@TheMightyGuri My point is that doesn't help. All we're doing is reinforcing them. If a Chinese person were to criticize Bush a few years ago, all that does is make Americans feel they need to defend their president. When we in the West keep hammering on the evils of CCP (or Ahmadinejad or whatever) it just makes them stronger. Remember the anti-CNN protests?

Think about what will really help, not just what feels good to you.

[TheMightyGuri]

@megamarsvin

you do not really understand my words

[davidsegun]

@megamarsvin can you compare the old Afghanistan with it today? i hate hypocrisy

[megamarsvin]

@davidsegun Can you? What is the comparison we're making here? "Old" in what sense? Before the 20th century? After the Russians pulled out? After the Taleban took over parts? Or now when the warlords are running things? What exactly is the hypocrisy you're accusing me of?

What I was arguing against is the idea that we always know better, that we'll just show the primitive tribesmen how to live properly. It didn't work in Africa, it hasn't worked in the Middle East and it won't work in China.