I'm sorry. but celibidache does it better. Karajan does not seem to have. IMO any feel forwhat religious studies scholars call the mysterium tremendum.
but the mysterium tremendum utterly permeates Bruckner which is why he is my adored favourite composer
@Strefanasha I hear you - regarding the "mysterium tremendum", but I am grateful for this posting because I heard Karajan and the Berlin play this at Carnegie Hall about the same time of this performance. Let me tell you - the audience that evening would report without a doubt that they had indeed encountered the mysterium tremendum!
That timeless themes can be to aptly expressed within a limited time frame and meter is extremely remarkable to me; I share those sentiments or suggestions of timelessness as well. It reminds me of the time frame of God for a day as a thousand years.
...I've seen this being called 'music of the gods' in several places now. Well, humans are not gods. ;) It's powerful, but more on an intellectual level than on an emotional, soulful one.
Bruckner is a great place to visit, but Beethoven (and Bach) are where I live...
This symphony without doubt extracts the greatest raw power from an orchestra (particularly under Karajan) as any symphony ever written. It is epic and awe-inspiring.
However I would hesitate to rank it above the best of Beethoven, for instance. Beethoven was in touch with the mighty and powerful without losing the warm, human, natural and even peaceful. To me he touches on a wider range of emotions without over-emphasizing any one of them.
The Finale of "The Apocalyptic" is one of the most extraordinary pieces of music ever produced by the human mind, a perfect melding of the heroic, the eternal, the infinite and the tragic.
The VPO can play Bruckner in their sleep; in this performance under von Karajan, they reach the essence of Bruckner, who, as one wag put it, was "God's thank-you note to humanity." Anyone incapable of responding to this monumental musical cathedral is dead and doesn't know it.
I am really sorry that I did not born in Europe in the living times of Karajan to listen him. Karajan is all rounder and his style is more empathetic in Bruckner. Berntein for Mehler, leonard statkin for adagio albinoni, Henry Goreski for his own symp. 3. i can never forget them. last but not least Samuel barber adagio for strings haunts my mind.
I am really sorry that I did not born in Europe in the living times of Karajan to listen him. Karajan is all rounder and his style is more empathetic in Bruckner. Berntein for Mehler, leonard statkin for adagio albinoni, Henry Goreski for his own symp. 3. i can never forget them. last but not least Samuel barber adagio for strings haunts my mind.
I am really sorry that I did not born in Europe in the living times of Karajan to listen him. Karajan is all rounder and his style is more empathetic in Bruckner. Berntein for Mehler, leonard statkin for adagio albinoni, Henry Goreski for his own symp. 3. i can never forget them. last but not least Samuel barber adagio for strings haunts my mind.
I've been aware of Bruckner all my adult life, and tried from time to time to understand him, but I'm only now, with this performance, really beginning to hear him. I'll be forty this year. I think it helps to be at least forty. He's a composer for people who have become aware that they're moving along on a road with an end.
@Haidimbya Actually, I don't know if I wouldn't be better without "it". Not Bruckner's music of course but the very state of mind we are both referring to. If we share the same, that is! Another beauty of music....
Bruckner reached heights of cosmic wonder in this symphony. It sounds like the language of the gods. I heard the 8th for the first time 20 years ago and hearing it again here it feels like yesterday. It truly takes you into a cosmic timeless dimension where few composers reach, where reality changes from our usual perceptions. Bach does this too and certain moments with Sibelius.
I know just what you mean about Sibelius. Other composers have their great profundities, but until now it is only in Sibelius that I have heard moments of what I would call eternal stillness. I can already feel that that stillness might appear in this music too. I feel a similar psychology to Sibelius in Bruckner, a deep and simple spirituality, so unlike the far more intellectual and complex (yet still spiritual) personality of Mahler that has obsessed me for more than twenty years.
it is undubtedly one of the most dramatic moments in all history of music when the 1st theme of the 1st movement shows up at full blast again right before the coda starts. Bruckners achievement here is staggering. I dont like to say these kind of things but music forces me to except and bow my head in front of the fact that this is probably (or for sure) the greatest symphony ever composed.
With my deepest and greatest respect to Anton Bruckner...
This comes from the DG dvd, which is fine but not tremendous.
The SONY dvd, however, is absolutely incredibly amazing!
dvdlpznyc 2 weeks ago
Bravo!
Betoq55 1 month ago
I'm sorry. but celibidache does it better. Karajan does not seem to have. IMO any feel forwhat religious studies scholars call the mysterium tremendum.
but the mysterium tremendum utterly permeates Bruckner which is why he is my adored favourite composer
Strefanasha 3 months ago
@Strefanasha Both are complementary versions. Both are my favourites: Celibidache-Munich & Karajan-Viena 1979.
shostakk 2 months ago
@Strefanasha I hear you - regarding the "mysterium tremendum", but I am grateful for this posting because I heard Karajan and the Berlin play this at Carnegie Hall about the same time of this performance. Let me tell you - the audience that evening would report without a doubt that they had indeed encountered the mysterium tremendum!
noosphere23 1 month ago
That timeless themes can be to aptly expressed within a limited time frame and meter is extremely remarkable to me; I share those sentiments or suggestions of timelessness as well. It reminds me of the time frame of God for a day as a thousand years.
billjhyt 4 months ago
Yes indeed this sounds like a cosmic maelstrom of sorts
MelbourneAlex 6 months ago
3:21=MIGHTY,EPIC POWER!!!!
THEMGOROTH75 9 months ago
Lol what is everyone going on about thats mediocre composing
Gargantupimp 10 months ago
@Gargantupimp i know. if you want the best composing, watch Valery Gergiev
wPHao 8 months ago
Gloriosa interpretación, es el clímax de la armonía en Bruckner y del arte de la dirección de Herbert von Karajan. Nec plus ultra.
FranciscoArvizuH 1 year ago
...I've seen this being called 'music of the gods' in several places now. Well, humans are not gods. ;) It's powerful, but more on an intellectual level than on an emotional, soulful one.
Bruckner is a great place to visit, but Beethoven (and Bach) are where I live...
ShawDAMAN 1 year ago 5
@ShawDAMAN good, I agree 100%.
sstuddert 9 months ago
@sstuddert glad u agree :)
ShawDAMAN 9 months ago
This symphony without doubt extracts the greatest raw power from an orchestra (particularly under Karajan) as any symphony ever written. It is epic and awe-inspiring.
However I would hesitate to rank it above the best of Beethoven, for instance. Beethoven was in touch with the mighty and powerful without losing the warm, human, natural and even peaceful. To me he touches on a wider range of emotions without over-emphasizing any one of them.
ShawDAMAN 1 year ago
It is leading me to heaven. Thank you!
tokyomumbai 1 year ago
Cosmic indeed!!!
MrQuebec 1 year ago
THE BEST OF ALL!!!
evandroeco 1 year ago
Herbie rocks!
hobart95999 1 year ago
The Finale of "The Apocalyptic" is one of the most extraordinary pieces of music ever produced by the human mind, a perfect melding of the heroic, the eternal, the infinite and the tragic.
The VPO can play Bruckner in their sleep; in this performance under von Karajan, they reach the essence of Bruckner, who, as one wag put it, was "God's thank-you note to humanity." Anyone incapable of responding to this monumental musical cathedral is dead and doesn't know it.
AJNorth 1 year ago
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The guy in the background at 5:15 is obviously in shock...
The one in the middle..he doesn't even move.
MrBeethoven333 1 year ago
The guy in the background, in the middle is obviously in shock..
He doesn't even move....
MrBeethoven333 1 year ago
Things like this are the reason I'm pursuing music as a career.
There are no words to describe the feeling of being inside an orchestra like that.
YesForce 1 year ago 2
I am really sorry that I did not born in Europe in the living times of Karajan to listen him. Karajan is all rounder and his style is more empathetic in Bruckner. Berntein for Mehler, leonard statkin for adagio albinoni, Henry Goreski for his own symp. 3. i can never forget them. last but not least Samuel barber adagio for strings haunts my mind.
vijaymohanrao 1 year ago
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I am really sorry that I did not born in Europe in the living times of Karajan to listen him. Karajan is all rounder and his style is more empathetic in Bruckner. Berntein for Mehler, leonard statkin for adagio albinoni, Henry Goreski for his own symp. 3. i can never forget them. last but not least Samuel barber adagio for strings haunts my mind.
vijaymohanrao 1 year ago
I am really sorry that I did not born in Europe in the living times of Karajan to listen him. Karajan is all rounder and his style is more empathetic in Bruckner. Berntein for Mehler, leonard statkin for adagio albinoni, Henry Goreski for his own symp. 3. i can never forget them. last but not least Samuel barber adagio for strings haunts my mind.
vijaymohanrao 1 year ago
Fantastic Karajan!
MrBengan48 1 year ago
HvK! I like the performance in this video better than than his famous DG recording.
edgluhrs 1 year ago
no, something is not right here. the end of the coda is mixed. try celibidache or eugen jochum. this is not good interpretation indeed.
gandalfs80 1 year ago
Bruckner like Bach for me clearly demonstrates what Stravinsky said of music- and i paraphrase - in that it should express nothing outside itself.
LuigiScattagomazza 1 year ago
Sorry but for me here the coda is confuse, not certainely Celi's clearness...
bruckner4444 1 year ago
I saw this Symphony last night (May 29, 2010) at Severance Hall in Cleveland, Ohio, USA. It was UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrTech40 1 year ago
What an incredible setting for incredible music. Truly a titanic ending.
stickershomeplus 1 year ago
he gave the austrian church dignity back...baaad mf
johnleehookerelectro 2 years ago
I've been aware of Bruckner all my adult life, and tried from time to time to understand him, but I'm only now, with this performance, really beginning to hear him. I'll be forty this year. I think it helps to be at least forty. He's a composer for people who have become aware that they're moving along on a road with an end.
Haidimbya 2 years ago 2
@Haidimbya There is some trtuth about what you say but it doesn't take to be fourty of age. I'm only 25.
hutz 1 year ago
@hutz Well, I've always been a little slow, but better late than never!
Haidimbya 1 year ago
@Haidimbya Actually, I don't know if I wouldn't be better without "it". Not Bruckner's music of course but the very state of mind we are both referring to. If we share the same, that is! Another beauty of music....
hutz 1 year ago
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Sinneo91 2 years ago
magic
Piratolle 2 years ago
oh, that's so beautiful!
pligana 2 years ago
En deze man keek op tegen Wagner!
BesACB 2 years ago
Zijn nederigheid was zeer ongewoon onder de Radicalisten. En erg prijzenswaardig.
Garpinator 2 years ago
5.20 fucking great! GREAT!!!!
fgtuh 2 years ago
The thundering finale!
Garpinator 2 years ago
compelling
dajohnthomas69 2 years ago
Bruckner reached heights of cosmic wonder in this symphony. It sounds like the language of the gods. I heard the 8th for the first time 20 years ago and hearing it again here it feels like yesterday. It truly takes you into a cosmic timeless dimension where few composers reach, where reality changes from our usual perceptions. Bach does this too and certain moments with Sibelius.
Numboss 2 years ago 21
I know just what you mean about Sibelius. Other composers have their great profundities, but until now it is only in Sibelius that I have heard moments of what I would call eternal stillness. I can already feel that that stillness might appear in this music too. I feel a similar psychology to Sibelius in Bruckner, a deep and simple spirituality, so unlike the far more intellectual and complex (yet still spiritual) personality of Mahler that has obsessed me for more than twenty years.
Haidimbya 2 years ago
it is undubtedly one of the most dramatic moments in all history of music when the 1st theme of the 1st movement shows up at full blast again right before the coda starts. Bruckners achievement here is staggering. I dont like to say these kind of things but music forces me to except and bow my head in front of the fact that this is probably (or for sure) the greatest symphony ever composed.
With my deepest and greatest respect to Anton Bruckner...
Tony
cagin 2 years ago 50
I LOVE that moment when the 1st movement theme comes back. It's amazing. I love this symphony so much - it is absolutely incredible.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of music scholars out there that don't care too much for Bruckner.
armyofsalvation 2 years ago 4
@cagin I completely agree with you. Bruckner is probably the most underrated composer that has ever lived. He was the true Romantic composer god
KnottPatriot 10 months ago
3:20 The best ending of a symphony
NovalisimBergwerk 2 years ago 7
It's tremendously true!!!
fafnis 2 years ago 2
True!I agree completely!!EPIC!!
THEMGOROTH75 2 years ago
Roland Berger is divine on 1st tuba, along with his section.Horns great too!
lilleeWAfot 2 years ago 3