N1 moon rocket launch (I *think* it's 7L)

[harris3693]

The perfect song to listen to while getting launched in this beast would be tormentor by W.A.S.P.!!!!!!!! FIRE!!!!!!!

[bombarderoazul]

of the three most powerful rockets ever created two are russian. The N1 which could put 75 tons into orbit and Energya which could place 100 tons. Saturn V however had the ability to put 109 tons into space.

[TheJomogogo]

@bombarderoazul

The N1 couldn't put any tons into orbit, it blew up every time they tested it.

[TheJomogogo]

@bombarderoazul

N1 had a smaller payload than the Saturn V so calling it the most powerful is debatable.

[bombarderoazul]

@TheJomogogo All I said is that the N1 is one of the most powerful ever, not the most powerful, read my comment.

[TheJomogogo]

@bombarderoazul

It wasn't THE most powerful anything.

It didn't work.

The Saturn V was THE most powerful.

Period.

Saying a rocket would have been awesome IF it had ever worked falls somewhere between Jack and Shit.

[bombarderoazul]

@TheJomogogo I know that man, N1 was a colossal failure, Energya booster was more powerful than N1 and slightly less powerful than Saturn V. Personally I think Energya was more impressive than N1.

[rogelead]

damn that massive, the exhaust is twice its size, and its as tall as the Saturn.

[Zoomer30]

The same thing could happen to Falcon 9. The sovs proved that putting large numbers of engines in the 1st stage does not work.

[JBM425]

I thought about that, but the avionics/computers behind the Falcon 9 are light-years ahead of what was available to both the USA and USSR at the time. There is something to be said for redundancy. Another thing is, all the engines are clustered at the center, not at the perimeter, so if one engine fails in the Falcon the stability issues are not as severe as on the N-1, which required a shutdown of a corresponding opposite engine.

[alexzzz2]

Для простой высадки(типа амерской) можно было обойтись Протоном и Р-7, а Н-1 нужна была для доставки Лунной базы, или 6 тонн груза на Луну!

[SergeiPilipenko]

It is remarkable that exactly these engines for the N1 rocket have being purchased by the U.S. after the crash of the Shuttle program. Russia has already sold over 100 these unique and very reliable engines which are 35 years old! Closure of the N1 program was a stupid, ideological mistake of the Russian government.

[btardwannabe]

@SergeiPilipenko The N1 was too bold with too many ways for something to go wrong.

[ftutbs]

i wonder if the way they erected their moon rockets was a male domination kind of thing.

[maureenOWW]

The length of the flame-trail on that is insane.

And it was 30% more powerful than the Saturn V. Imagine the noise......

[bc1969214]

That was a interesting part of the design. More power in the first stage with all those engine clusters but unable to get as much payload into orbit and on the way to the Moon as a Saturn V due to sticking with kerosene for all stages.

[Xynomavro]

@bc1969214 Wikipedia?

[DiscoverRussia]

And even bigger party will be when we are going to watch eachothers thrue gun optics in Georgia or somwhere in eastern Europe !

[Plutoplatter]

And you Communists claim to have the persuasive position.....cased closed on you losers.

[Plutoplatter]

DiscoverAmerica, the gleam in your frustrated eye of Soviet re-emergence has made you neurotic. The Soviet moon program and Buran were total failures. In our America, if we can resist the socialist wave that is belaboring our great country today, we will always have the greatest space program. Our fierce dedication to freedom assures it. No other nation on Earth has matched it, and likely never will. So, please stop with your childish nuclear death wishs for us. You might be called a terrorist.

[DiscoverRussia]

My fierce dedication to my freedom and my personal god blessing will be, when my country and China will close all your strategic military and inteligent bases in central Asia, whille you are fighting with ruhless and never defeated Islamic radicals in mountains and deserts of Afganistan, Iraq and Pakistan !

[Plutoplatter]

Hey Ivan, you paranoid diehard Soviet-style socialists should worry more about China and Iran than America. You fools never got over your ham-handed attempt and abject failure to rule the world by sneaking nuclear missiles into Cuba. And please, spare us your pathetic, psychotic claims of freedom under communism. With 'freedom' like that, psychiatric hospitals and prison camps would be popping up in every neighborhood...just like the good old days, right, Ivan??

[alex9044]

Дурачок, ты хотя бы перечитал бы свою собственную бредятину. :) Звучишь как студентик с зубовской площади. Пошел бы что ль нашел нормальную работу, чем херней страдать на youtube'е.

[Plutoplatter]

RDFox, that's hard to believe...the secretive and half-insane Soviets would never have deliberately destroyed any rocket in such a situation. According to Wikipedia, "November 23, 1972: Vehicle serial number 7L the engines ran for 106.93 seconds after which Pogo oscillation of the first stage caused engine cutoff at 40 km altitude; a programmed shutdown of some of the engines to prevent over-stressing of the structure led to an explosion of engine number 4. The vehicle disintegrated. "

[DiscoverRussia]

Obviously you have never heard of Polyus program.

watch?v=rqs8oAX7hA8

[bombarderoazul]

When you consider the fact that almost 1% of the national budget of america was used for the apollo program every year, or about 45 to 55 billion dollars in todays money. The russians never had a chance against that, they never had that kind of budget, and they started years after the americans. It would have been better if they had used a proton rocket to launch a space tug in space and then another proton to launch soyuz and the LK lunar lander, then dock in space and head to the moon.

[DiscoverRussia]

Buran was allso developed for massive termonuclear attack against USA.

And it is shame that we didnt use it for that !

[bc1969214]

Mutually Assured Destruction. Good thing your hot headed self isn't in charge of anything.

[DiscoverRussia]

BURAN spacecraft was 5 times moore developed and superior than US spaceshuttle !

[Felamine]

"BURAN spacecraft was 5 times moore developed and superior than US spaceshuttle !"

If by "superior" you mean "better at NOT getting into space", then yeah, the Buran was definately that.

[DiscoverRussia]

Buran could perform the lift into space and landing back to earth absolutely 101% automaticaly, whille US space shuttle CAN`T !!!

Buran had it`s own jet engines instaled so it could get into space WITHOUT any lifting platform (rocket, plane...)

Buran was way superior to US space shuttle program but only collapse of USSR cannceled all further projects !

And even superior Soviet space program was: URAGAN (Huriccane)

[gpwasr10]

DiscoverRussia, Of course Buran could do it automatically, it had to, no Cosmonaught could hold his breath long enough to pilot Buran through a whole mission.

[DiscoverRussia]

your dady couldnt hold his breath when shithead like you were born !

[Plutoplatter]

Well, Ivan, if a horse had your brains, he'd still be a horse.

[gpwasr10]

LOL! Come on man, everyone knows that about a dozen Cosmonauts burned on the pad until the angry pink menace found Yuri G, a man who can hold his breath for like... a month. LOL

[DiscoverRussia]

Buran was is space in 1988 you fucking imbecile !

here are soome educational videos about Buran for you:

watch?v=dHrBpgoi9Ck

watch?v=mXcA8b2mkL8&feature=re­lated

watch?v=hTWvRY87uUM&feature=re­lated

watch?v=M6WXiRTPpMI&feature=ch­annel

[bc1969214]

You say it was superior because it was unmanned and flew 7 years after the shuttle. It's now playground equipment, isn't it?

[000darkstar000]

thnx 4 the cool vid!Awsum rocket!i luv this 1

[DoctorJK3]

This is the N-1 that exploded 72 seconds into flight. the last one as I recall. Pity we could not see the rest of the flight here.

[Plutoplatter]

That's exactly the point: the Soviets refused to show failure footage, and that is why these amazing videos from them almost always cut off before the explosions occur. The one exception was the N-1 blast that happened upon its barely clearing the launch tower. There's limited footage of that failure availalble here on YouTube. Bottom line: the Soviets were secrative, and the vaunted N-1 was a big Zero.

[georgH]

Thanks for your comments. Do you know if there is more footage of the N1 on the internet?

[Plutoplatter]

Hi GeorgH, there might be more N-1 launch footage. The filmings of which I am aware are here on YouTube; search on "N-1" or "N1". The Soviets probably had a lot more footaqge, but probably destroyed it out of the embarassment for communism that the explosions would have created back then.

[harris3693]

@Plutoplatter and the US ain't , get real, the us did the same bs.

[georgH]

>This is the N-1 that exploded 72 seconds into flight. the last one as I recall.

Thank you for confirmatng this.

>Pity we could not see the rest of the flight here.

Yeah, I agree 100%

[TonyFirelli]

@georgH Hey, do you know what's the songs name? I love it!

[RUfaggle]

Why did they use a vehicle crawler that was used to move the Saturn 5? Those huge hydraulic lifts and twin locomotives pulling the N-1 seems extravagant and dumb because it could have wrecked the N-1 in the process. Soviet thinking.. crazy!

[collapsitar]

It's a lot cheaper to do horizontal integration, which is why the Russians have always used it. Their stuff is just designed to take the stress. It's not what caused the N1 to fail.

[Plutoplatter]

Another reason for the horizonal stance is the cultural nature of Russia. Everyone and everything there is drunk all the time, including their rockets. Like the schnockered Russian people, their N-1 wasn't capable of standing very long.

[Membrane556]

The strange irony now is that the Russians will likely beat the US back to the moon unless some private group like spacex or t/space decides to doa lunar mission.

[RUfaggle]

I thought the N-1 was excellent but it had to many rocket engines. The Russian never showed the moon lander. They should still try today to land on the moon if they have the budget.

[Membrane556]

Actually the Soviets built and tested a lunar lander in low earth orbit.

As for the N1 well it used whats known as a closed cycle engine these operate at extremely high pressures and proved difficult to handle at the time and they would suffer a chamber burn through etc.

The issues with the engines were eventually fixed but it was too late and the program was cut.

[Plutoplatter]

The Soviets never tested a lunar lander in a space flight. They built one, but since it was not computerized or equipped with power-operated valves, landing radar, or any other technology critical to successful use, it was never sent to the moon. The lander is on display in Russia somewhere; there is a YouTube video of it with Soviet dignitaries being given a tour of it. The lander was so crude that to throttle the engine, the single cosmonaut would have had to turn a big hand-cranked valve!

[DiscoverRussia]

I WILL CUT YOU FUCKING HEAD OFF, YOU FUCKING AMERICAN LIEING PIG !!!!

1966: First probe to make a soft landing on and transmit from the surface of the moon, Luna 9

[pvcforever]

Discover the Soviet space program was bold and daring.Ours was cautious and slower.Many cosmonauts lost their lives as well as 17 of our Astronauts.The cold war is over and together we have build the ISS.Russia and America have many things to be proud of..One of the most important things are we are not trying to blow the earth up and to take every other nation with us.Our next goal should be to bring the world together

[bc1969214]

I don't know how cautious. They did the all up testing to launch the Saturn V.

[Roflzmahwoflz]

@pvcforever I agree that the soviets were more bold, but since the first american in space, it took us less than 10 years to get to the moon. That is not slow and deserves an amazing amount of respect considering that was almost 50 years ago.

[kapitankartoon]

There is a sence on one of the many N-1 rocket videos of a cosmonaut training on one of their Moon landers. It could only handel one person. Look up on the net Soviet Lunar Lander. There is one on display at EroDisney.

[Plutoplatter]

The N-1 engines were good. But the N-1 itself was a disastrous design. The Soviets, pressed for time to beat America to the Moon, shorted the N-1's requisite systems' integration testing, normally done via ground-based static testing. As a result, quality-control problems with the engines went unnoticed and harmonic vibrations from thrust surges-and ebbs (known in the business as 'pogo oscillations') were unrecognized. These problems caused all four N-1 launches to fail, spectacularly so.

[rdfox76]

Actually, the final attempt at an N-1 launch would have been successful... had it not been for an overzealous range safety officer. The first stage shut down five seconds earlier than expected due to fuel depletion, and while the upper stages could have compensated, the RSO sent the destruct command and destroyed the rocket.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the RSO probably ended up in the Gulag, if he was lucky...

[nakazatoGTR]

you know, i wnatedd to watch this vid, at where the exlposion occured, but the NEW AND STUPID feature of youtube which deletes previously loaded parts of the vid and only loads where the slider is in.

youtube is getting harder to use ever since google bought it.

[georgH]

youtube is getting harder to use ever since google bought it.

In fact, after few weeks of the adquisition, the search improved *A LOT*. But you are right, they are going too far modifying it and adding these annoyances.

[nakazatoGTR]

i want the old youtube.

but i only like the improved searche engine and the post more comments thingie with the colored numbers, the rest all crap.

[portugal81]

urrs acomplish things in space with 1/3 of usa ressources that still today are taking the world a next step cherrs :)

[decimuscarrerus]

1) Your wrong, 2) why would anyone believe you? You cant even spell USSR

[portugal81]

men its not rightring that matters its the form and i have a little history for you usa spend millions on pen that righted in space ussr just used pencil lol usa its a cheet country that represents only one value money as for culture can you speach spanish french inglish and portuguese lol can you evean say were is iraq in world map :)dont mess with bright minds the will make your ass hole a mess :)

[decimuscarrerus]

jesus christ... you cant spell for shit... I'm portuguese... To bad we're too poor to do anything...

[cocacola443]

That story about the US spending millions to build a pen to work in space is a joke. There really is a pressurized pen that works in zero g, but NASA has used pencils in space, just like the Soviets. So what's your point, anyway? I'm an American, and I only speak English, but English is the linguq franca of the world. Iraq is easy to find on a map. It's between Israel, Kuwait, Saudia Arabia, and Iraq.

[saigonpunkid]

lol

[Flam3o]

Lol, I see someone's been using google maps Cocacola443?

Americans did spend a shit load on making a pen. While Russians used a pencil...

[DoctorJK3]

The Russians could not manufacture a pressurized pen and so were relegated to pencils.

America later allowed them to buy Fisher(tm) space pens at the same discount rate as NASA.

cool.

[cocacola443]

Good work assuming I cheated. BTW, the second Iraq is supposed to be Iran (typo). I can't prove it to you, but I didn't use Google Maps (or any other map for that matter).

Why don't you look up your pencil story on Snopes? It's FALSE. You are wrong. Period.

[cocacola443]

Is that why their (USSR's) economic system collapsed in 1991? You call Americans stupid, but look at your grammar and spelling! You'd better be able to speak/write in more than one language, because your English is not very good.

By the way, the USSR doesn't exist anymore. It's the Russian Federation...and trust me, their space program is in far worse shape than ours (remember MIR?).

[portugal81]

you made a mistake mir was very susseful and evean get to use for the double of time it was made for it was the enbrion of space internacional staccion the usa eaven pay to put there austronats there to get experixion you seen to much armageddon movies

[cocacola443]

Really? Because I read. Do you know how many emergencies and close calls there were on Mir? What is your native language, anyway? I don't watch that many movies (I haven't seen Armageddon, btw).

Mir was designed to last about 5 years, yet lasted for 15. That being said, it still wasn't the best peace of engineering. Are you in the former Soviet Union, or one of it's former possessions? You seem to be a product of their wonderful propaganda machine

[portugal81]

nope a i am portugues and i live in algarve bet you dont now were it is i just give credits to soviets in many recherach fields if there was 2 things the comunists regimes were good was educacion and health care by the way we see how the owrld its today without a the equilibrium of 2 superpowers its not just the wars the capitalists bussiness are abusing the labour worldwide because today there is no alternitive and we are seeing the results of market now get ready for the worst world depresion

[cocacola443]

I don't know where Algarve is, you're right (but I'm assuming it's Portugal). Let me tell you, though, it's not capitalism at fault...it's the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Comission, and the Council on Foreign Relations bent on the 'New World Order'. They are the ones in control of the markets. We don't really have 'capitalism', in some ways, in the U.S. (we have a private central bank with a monopoly on money...one of the cornerstones of a centrally planned economy).

[cocacola443]

A lot of what the Soviets did, though, was just technology stolen from the U.S. (by Soviet spies). Look at the A-bomb, the H-bomb, and read about the "Farewell Dossier" to find out how the Soviets "developed" a lot of their technology.

If we lived (in the U.S.) in a truly free market economy, there would be no boom and bust cycle, and money would be backed by gold, not controlled by a monopolized private bank.  'Free trade' is not part of capitalism, and has no place in an ideal world.

[Plutoplatter]

Here is the procedure the Soviets used to develop just about most of their technology:

1. See a spectacular America invention.

2. Steal it.

[cocacola443]

Exactly!  That's the one thing the Soviets could do reasonably well. Spy.

[TheGamersUnion]

Really? First satellite, First man and woman in space,Most powerful assualt rifle, first gunship/transport helicopter, largest helicopter, largest plane, First space walk,first Iconoscope, half-track, Soyuz rocket, Proton rocket, Vodka?

List goes on. Every heard of espionage? You'll get that from both sides, Soviet or American, especially when there's arms, space and cold wars going on. Both sides produces, one side won.

[Nater245689]

@TheGamersUnion Most powerful assault rifle? No. The FN FAL, G3, and M14 all pack a lot more punch than the AK-47. I also don't see the utility of a gunship/transport. You just make a helicopter that is inferior at both roles. The Soviets always built things bigger, probably just out of spite. Sometimes this bigness was more a detriment than advantage. The iconoscope was developed by RCA.

[vox2007]

Right on Plutoplatter, they even copied our space shuttle and stuck in on some rockets.

[AblePumper]

This IS the 7L launch. I've seen it a number of times.

Thirty engines, using RP-1/LOX and not tested on a complete test stand, like the Saturn's F-1's were, sealed the Fate of this program before it could begin testing.

[georgH]

> This IS the 7L launch.

> I've seen it a number of times.

Thanks. I guessed it from information gathered from internet.

[apollosaturn5]

I totally agree! Not testing the engines in the launch configuration was the biggest stupidity made during the race to the Moon. What they didn't spend building new testing facilities, they spend it by blowing up rockets and launch pads.

[Membrane556]

Part of the problem with the N1 was it's 30 engines and the fact they were closed cycle vs open gas generator cycle engines like the saturn F1 or spacex merlin engines.

There are trickier to design and run at much higher chamber pressures.

The Nk33 eventually was perfected but it was too late to save the soviet moon program.

[chickennibblets]

YOUR THE MAN YOU MUST STUDY LFRE.

[leokimvideo]

interesting video, its amazing how covered up the russians large rockets were, but it all goes back to who had the blue prints to the V2, and it was in Americans hands, including the catch of the century, von Braun

[georgH]

ww w .geocities. com/duppim/VB05.html

[geocam2]

The great accomplishment of the Saturn V project was in MANAGEMENT - the ability to maintain quality standards across a broad array of suppliers and 1,000,000 employees. The Soviets could not replicate this. The manager of the guidance factory, for example, cut corners and installed relatives as engineers. The N1 was a POLITICAL SYSTEM FAILURE - its not knock on the brilliant Russian engineers.

[OCTOROID]

Itty bitty rocket engines all compressed with 3 close exausts. That thing was lit on fire right as it started, and the film proves it.

[isadashhqdotcom]

Thanks! Check out the International Space Agency (ISA) site here by clicking on this user account! Also check out the International Space Plane (ISP) Program website! You can google "International Space Plane (ISP) Program", or you can goto this user account which has links to the International Space Agency (ISA) Organization.

[georgH]

Thanks for the information about ISA. I downloaded this video from somewhere in the web. The last time I checked, there was very little footage of these soviet rockets.

[georgH]

I meant around the web, of course.

[isadashhqdotcom]

Your video was added to the International Space Agency (ISA) video archive and database here on youtube. You can click on this user account and go the the ISA youtube site, then go to the International Space News (ISN) youtube site "worldspacenews", and go to the playlist. Thanks! Ad-Astra! To The Stars! In Peace For All Mankind!

[MGR1900]

How could a country with so much technological ability produce something so poorly designed? I read that the rocket actually produced a vacuum underneath which was unexpected. And this wasn't discovered in testing? It makes no sense.

[gucker07]

Beautiful but technically unsound design...

[Stormrider444]

well, maybe this rocket was not really a success but you will confirm, this thing looked pretty cool with it`s 32 engines...:)

[mdmcgrory]

I never knew one got that high without exploding.

[sweetiii1]

love this one!

[EJECTyt]

when this n-1 detonated it was the greatest not-nuclear explosion made by mankind

[Kvartet]

Anybody has more videos of n1 rocket? In "Metacafe" there are one exploding after the lift off.

Thanks for the viedeo, georgH.

[georgH2]

Thank you for your comment and the translation of the other video.

I can't post comments with my first username (georgH), so I use this (georgH2).

[allamarein]

Many N1 exploded

[Kvartet]

yes all exploded

[satweavers]

I've been anticipating the day that I could see one of these boosters launch (and explode). This is incredible! I hope we get to see all the raw footage of the four launches without editing and dreadful music.

[Kvartet]

a total white N1

great!!!

[georgH]

>another thing, is kerosene a powerful propellant? is

>it more powerful than liquid hydrogen and liquid

>oxygen?

Kerosene was also used in the first stage of Saturn-V rocket. Kerosene (+ oxygen) engines have more thrust than hydrogen ones, but since its specific impulse is lower, they are mostly used in first stages. The same happens with solid propellant boosters.

[danwill99]

I think I read that LH/LOX engines had the second highest specific impulse,(and highest practical) the highest would be LH/ Liquid Fluorine , but people might object to the hydrogen fluoride exhaust...

[cicerojuliuscaesar]

is there any other video featuring the N1 around? i want to see how it exploded. another thing, is kerosene a powerful propellant? is it more powerful than liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen? how about the solid propellants of the space shuttle's SRB?

[allamarein]

I suppose it used kerosene.Hydrogen and liquid oxigen are the best propellants by now.

N1 should go to the Moon...its mission is similar to Saturn V's one

[ChanceGhost]

anti matter is the best propellant by now, very little quatity produce tons of energy

[alpha662]

Thats right Capt Kirk, ask Spock he will tell YOu, beam me up Scotty

[wolfekeeper]

Kerosene is good for a first stage, both the N1 and the Saturn V used it for that. It's also better performance than the shuttle's SRBs but the SRBs are cheaper. Upper stages do better to be hydrogen/LOX because those stages are lighter, and this makes the lower stages smaller and cheaper.

[idcs5000]

Not such simple. Hydrogen has low density then kerosene, so need much bigger fuel tank. So hydrogen not use on first stage boosters

[vixmoa]

GREATT!!!!