Star Trek: Battle of Wolf 359 (The Full Story) Part 1/2

[HawkGTboy]

So... a Borg ship that's 3 kilometers to a side only has one tractor beam emitter? How funny would it have been if their "random settings, don't give them time to adapt" maneuver had been followed up by 12 more tractor beams locking onto them.

[aadeeza]

Why scene with chocolate woman cut? It good.

[Darty105]

Picard anytime, or other people.

[Darty105]

Remember, Picard remembers, and as do the Borg, the encounter in the episode Q Who? and the first thing the Borg did was copy the data banks to their own, knowing almost everything there is to know about the Federation. The time in TBoBW, was for clarification. They already knew their standard frequency, so it wouldn't have made a difference. As for Locutus, they could have chosen

[RFKFANTS67]

I'd love to get commander Shelby in bed :}

[CommandoDude]

Picard showed a huge amount of stupidity in this episode, engaging the Borg cube with one starship, that could be analyzed to determine federation weaknesses. And he didn't even immediately open fire.

[billienomates]

@CommandoDude Standard practice with any new species, you don't engage them solely to destroy them, the same thing happened with the Crystalline Entity.

[CommandoDude]

@billienomates Picard knew they were a huge threat to the Federation, obeying 'standard practice' was suicidally stupid. His recklessness and restrain got 39 starships destroyed.

[mlee2001]

4:02 to 4:07 was kinda sad. Thats the best the flagship can do,firing all weapons, 3 phaser arcs and 3 torpedoes at a time? WTF?

[csgrambauer]

@mlee2001 I know that part always makes me wince when I see that. Kinda pathetic. And the torpedos were firing like towards the very bottom of the Borg cube (if not missing it entirely). Even back then they should've known to fire everything they've got at the source of the tractor beam.

[mlee2001]

@csgrambauer

Exactly!

Merry Xmas!

[csgrambauer]

@mlee2001 Lol yeah.

And thanks. Merry Xmas to you too (although it's Boxing Day for us for the last 12 and a half hours, lol - 26th December in another words).

[CaitiVoltaire]

@mlee2001 The flagship of the time was an exploration vessel, not a battlecruiser. Actually in many ways the battle of Wolf 359 was a turning point for the Federation, when Starfleet started to realise that they need to be able to protect their worlds effectively as well, and designed the Akira, San Paolo, and later Prometheus class starships. From then on they were better prepared to deal with this kind of thing.

[mlee2001]

@CaitiVoltaire Well, as I understand it, Kirks Enterprise could level a planet... Therefore Picards Enterprise, being appxy 75 years more advanced, seems to have less firepower than Ncc-1701? Im glad Starfleet is on the job, but the red tape is a bitch.

[NeoakiraIV]

@mlee2001

HAHAHAHA....Glad someone else notices that 

[Qusza2007]

@mlee2001

Truth is that Kirk's Enterprise was build in times of war between Federation and Klingons (with ocassional skirmishes with Romulans and minor species like Orions for example) so she needed firepower to hold out vs thier ships when Enterprise - D was put to service in times of relative peace time where huge firepower wasn't really necessary as Starfleet apparently assumed, paying lately dire price for going "Bluehelmetish" in thirer way of galaxy eploration...

[mlee2001]

@Qusza2007 So why did they build the battle bridge? IF the werent expecting trouble then why give the Enterprises the ability to saucer sep AND why didnt picard employ that?

[rivbro91]

@mlee2001 RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. ALL YOUR BASE R BELONG TO US.

[terminat1]

The Enterprise knew that the Borg were specifically interested in Captain Picard. Why aren't Data and about 20 security officers on the bridge surrounding the captain?

[travkeyes]

@terminat1 becuz that would make him seem like a pussy O.o 

[daviddrakehunter]

@terminat1 The same reason that the Federation, despite knowing the Borg were coming for months and capable of tossing around the best ship in the Fleet like a chew toy, declined to redeploy the Fleet defensively. I mean, their grand strategy for engaging the Borg was, "Eh, whatever we have lying around at the time."

[mlee2001]

@terminat1 Because it wouldnt have mattered when the borg beamed his ass off..

[Htown20XX]

Same ship we phased.

[jeffhardywii]

7:40

that shit always makes me laugh.he just toss that nigga like "get the fuck outta here"

[qetoun]

great eposides! these were the original pure and horrific borg before the writers on voyager turned them into the casual set villians.

[darthporkius]

picard!!!!! nooo!!!!!

[typhhons]

I really liked this! It really feels like a movie!

[Bimbo882]

how do i find the complete episodes of that season

[gwhyhate]

The Borg. My favorite enemy in all of Star Trek!

[F14ace]

"Oh crap!" moment at 1:44.

[johnissoevil]

I was assimilated into Trek fandom back in the 80s when they were showing reruns of the original series. Resistance was futile. Roddenberry has assimilated me!

[ProtoKun7]

@Boethiath I always think that, but hey, it's a fast door.

Plus, it's not like anyone was watching. He's chief engineer, he can do what he likes in Engineering. :D

[MexicanTuber]

Where's Chuck Norris when we REALLY need him?

[gwhyhate]

@MexicanTuber Chuck Norris CAN'T be assimilated. HE would assimilate ALL borg.

[Outlaw8908]

@gwhyhate Bruce Lee would do that and give them the way to assimilate chuck

[diggingforgold]

"We lost a lot of good people down there"

That same line is used every time Geordi has to do the engineering roll.

[katanaburner]

If the Borg was so advanced with time travel and other advancements why didn't they attempt to destroy Earth during Capt Archer's time? Then they wouldn't have to deal Capt Picard and crew. Just saying.

[englishdragon88]

@katanaburner if you watch Star Trek Enterprise season 2 episode 23 Archer does encounter the borg and he defeats them (sorry if i spoiled it for you).

[Freddran]

@englishdragon88 I don't like the Enterprise series. It just denied almost every important event in Star Trek universe. AND there were no references at all anywhere about these ship designs or another Enterprise.

[SecurityEscort]

@Freddran which events ar u refering to?

[Freddran]

@SecurityEscort well - first contact with the borg. first official contact with Ferengi - both made by Picard, now suddenly not. Several others similar and I am not talking about NX-01 design which looks superior even to galaxy class and also nowhere before was mentioned another Enterprise.

[iloldirl]

@Freddran

When the NX-01 made contact with the Ferengi and the Borg notice that they never state their species names. Therefore, the NX-01 has no idea who they are and official first contact is still made by Picard.

[katanaburner]

@englishdragon88 Just watched it! How did I miss that episode! Thanks for the heads up!

[Ved0000]

At 4:45 I think he misjudged where the door was.

[katanaburner]

@Ved0000 Someone should count how many times Geordi La Forge rolls under the sliding door of engineering.

[thegreenmanofnorwich]

I liked that this episode largely worked on suspense, rather than just having battles for the sake of it *cough Voyager cough*

[AeronPeryton]

It's rare to see the warp nacelle pylon phasers in use. :3

[GrunGrauWeiss]

if there's one thing Trek has taught me over the years, it's to ALWAYS rotate your shield frequencies.

[Elroyschipper]

@GrunGrauWeiss lol

[CALQL8R]

@GrunGrauWeiss Probably, but if you go by Insurrection, that could give the enemy the perfect opportunity to beam in or beam you out. My guess is you also need to activate a Transport Inhibitor.

[GrunGrauWeiss]

@CALQL8R engineering say they'll have one ready in six hours. I told them three.

[brianwesley28]

@GrunGrauWeiss Indeed, so. Random modulation.

[kothelis]

@brianwesley28 Mmmm, Imod from Star Trek: Elite Force was awesome. What's that you say? A phaser that oscillates it's modulation with each shot.

[brianwesley28]

@GrunGrauWeiss Indeed, so. Random modulation.

[jamesgrose510]

@GrunGrauWeiss And the harmonics.

[MattCazaly]

7:30 Italian Borg?

[dragonballz768]

From 1:59 to 2:03 that look on his face kinda gives me the thought about what Q says to him before the Borg actually get there. 'If you can't handle a little bloody nose,maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed!'

[Fbueller129]

Just my opinion but I wish they had adapted the Giant Novel Vendetta to film instead of using the First Contact script. A bigger and more powerful version of the Planetkiller from the Original Series, multiple battles with the Borg and a far more compelling story. Would definitely have been better than First Contact.

[Crickett2814]

@Fbueller129

I'm not sure they could have adapted it given what the abomination known as the Voyager episode called Threshold did to the concept of warp 10. It was still a good book though and certainly my favorite of the Star Trek novels back in the day.

[TheKemTV]

4:44 epic manouver!!!11!!1

[Mueiwark]

FUCKING REVERSE COARSE!!

[TommyLewJDfacesTH2]

Picard @2:59 = Epic Face

[SilentGunman]

I always had this theory that Shelby and Riker had some hot sex before she left the Enterprise. One of the things about the two parter that no one ever really talks about is this really interesting tension between the two. Frakes and Dennehy did a good job of portaying that. In their one on one scenes, they could have had a fist fight, debated Starfleet, or ripped each other's clothes off and it wouldn't have shocked me.

[AceAileron]

The only thing that would have made Geordi's roll better (which he seems to do a lot) is had he yelled, "READING MOTHER F'IN RAINBOW!"

[jbalsle]

I seriously doubt the Borg would be stumped for long by mass drivers of some sort. A grain of sand in a cubeship's flight path would make one hell of a mass driver round if it hit, so I suspect they'd quickly improvise something with a navigational deflector, if not just install armor or use great redundancy. Data once mentioned that a cubeship could operate with 70% of its structure destroyed. And that's not even considering the Tactical Cube from Voyager.

[SilentGunman]

Shelby is a colossal bitch.

[FattrollysChannel]

@SilentGunman I agree with you totally. The admiral shouldn't have taken her on board with that attitude.

[MrTurdFurgeson]

To me, it seems that the best way to overcome the Borg would be to stop using phasers.

Mass drivers and/or rail guns would seem to be the best weaponry to use against Borg. I'm unsure how such weapons would play into ST cannon, but real-world examples of rail weaponry would be pretty powerful, and offer random velocities as needed.

[xkflash]

my god how is this show so popular

[DarthZimmeris]

Ryker gets tossed around by that Borg like a ragdoll.

[bamapagedesign]

I never understood why they never blew away the Borg with guns. Picard did it in First Contact. In DS9, there was a murder with a gun (not a phaser). Just blow the SOBs away.

[LouistheHedgehog]

@bamapagedesign

Eventually they would adapt to that too. Can you recalibrate bullets to evntually bypass the borg shields? I thought not.

[bamapagedesign]

@LouistheHedgehog The Borg adapt to tech. Bullets would not fall under that category. Just like T-1000 from Terminator 2 couldn't re-create complex chemicals.

[captainbryce1]

@bamapagedesign The Borg would eventually learn to adapt to projectile weapons too. The reason Picard was able to kill them on the holodeck is because they had never used that weapon against them before. But the borg generate their own shields remember. Surely they would adjust the frequency to prevent projectiles too, which would eventually make guns completely useless. Phasers can have their frequence re-adjusted so they can eventually be effective again. Bullets can't!

[Fbueller129]

@captainbryce1 But there is a limit to how many frequencies you can rotate phasers through. Also shield frequencies have no bearing on their ability to block projectiles such as bullets or blades like what Worf used in First Contact.  Because there are so many variables involved with projectile and bladed weapons it would be next to impossible, even for the Borg, to develop a shield system capable of adapting to those kinds of weapons.

[liptonBlueBirdAdd]

@RichardisDead YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish it was an entire musical piece, like several minutes.

[jonnyp841]

voyager destroyed the "fear" of the borg, they kicked their asses too many times, in tng the borg were nearly indestructible

[aerohurtz]

Wow, Rikers got some balls, if he's willing to try and rush a borg drone. That's pretty bad ass.

[piano15R]

4.44" LOL at Geordie's POINTLESS and DRAMATIC comedy dive.

[CrystalBearer20]

The look on Shelbys face:

Yeah bitch, I took out your tractor beam.

[aerohurtz]

@CrystalBearer20 Maybe it's her look of satisfaction as she helped while Riker sat on his ass doing nothing.

[TitanLover8011]

hahaha. 2:44 is so funny you will lower your your shields. the borg just had an error.

[sierra1575]

@RichardisDead Yeah, and don't forget the "war horns" at 1:22. That's an indication that it's not just going to be some hapless Ferengi.

[micol19]

fire at Will.

why shoot at your first officer? :P

[simpsonfan13]

@micol19 because he is insufferable.

[csgrambauer]

@micol19 Lol hahahaha I say this too every single time I hear Picard say "Fire at Will". I'm like "No, not poor Will!" xD

[buckmofo]

Full Story !!!!!!!!!!!!? Cut to phuck !!!

[VSharpshooter]

4:47

Do you find that doing the roll helps?

[nunchuckerz]

the borgs OMG there here run for your lives

[DarkKnightBob1o1]

worf jumping the console seciton was pretty cool

[Nekomajin213]

To actually be a battle shouldn't it be a level playing field? This is the Massacre at 359

[99legion]

At 4:45 did he really have to roll under that bulkhead? All he would have had to do was bend over a little, and he could have gone right under it. :P

[sierra1575]

@99legion That's the Epic Geordi Maneuver.

[mirataku1]

Borg cutting beam vs Riker's beard ? :O

[katanaburner]

@mirataku1 HAHA! What???

[ExplorerXIII]

@mirataku1 = mighty close shave. Smooth as an Androids bottom.

[zarrotechgeek]

Have to write a speech about this battle for a STO event.

[MrShadowknight2000]

kewl vid man the borg is a dangerous threat to federation

[Nekomajin213]

@MrShadowknight2000in actuality they are all dead

[aerohurtz]

@Nekomajin213 Why are they all dead?

[Jordan36082]

see at 2:36 the borg said ncc-1701 E when picard is on d at that bit

[JheakrynaKyAlur]

@Jordan36082 actuall i hear a D instead of an E ;(

but D and E almost sound the same...

[Jordan36082]

@JheakrynaKyAlur awrite just sounded like E

[stiehler1117]

'We have engaged the borg' Still gives me goosebumps

[brianwesley28]

The closest ship is six days away. That is with how many Federation ships, in how many different patrol zones, in a set Federation space (excepting those vessels that may be exploring unknown space that is not known the be claimed by other species and/or races)? Six days away, even with high sustained warp speeds. Tells you how encompassing Federation space must be, doesn't it?

[MrRuinaga]

Man the Borg were scary the first time they tired to assimilate the Federation. Even if the Enterprise-D could constantly change modulations, It would take more than all of her Photon Torpdeoes put together to destroy a Cube.

[DarthZimmeris]

@MrRuinaga Indeed. And even the massive hydrogen discharge from the main deflector dish had ZERO effect.

With an assimilated Picard at the helm, a Borg Cube is pretty much invincible.

[PYROANIAC]

yeah the music is epic!

[ensignr]

Lol. Geordie's roll was so unnecessary.

[CommanderCornbread]

LOL @ Geordi's unnecessary roll @ 4:46

[drevsdre9]

lol - that was so corny!

[setdan]

Ah, back when the Borg were a genuine menace. One consciousness, seeking only to absorb all culture and technology. Then they got a prima donna "queen" and became just another villain of the month. Oh well.

[SSPerfectChaos]

@setdan Yes, but still one of the most powerful and one of the scariest villains of the month.

[Pandenhir]

I love the music at 1:41 .. great theme.

[PYROANIAC]

it is

[tmofee]

I love the powerplay between Shelby and Riker in the opening scene.. So well done. Shelby with this smug face and the death stare on Riker. No matter their entire lives are at stake, they're still thinking about their jobs. Classic scene...

[TheAngelfire1]

Q would of destroyed the borg

[Esoteric0714]

have.

Would have destroyed . ..

[CreoleCW]

Q was the one who introduced the Enterprise to the Borg in the first place. The Federation has him to thank for all of its conflicts with the Borg.

[xxxcar3hurxxx]

@CreoleCW Exactly....fuckin Q! argh

[Hyrin]

@TheAngelfire1

Maybe not. He introduced the Federation to the Borg, and when his son popped up on Voyager he said, "If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times: DON'T PROVOKE THE BORG!!"

An assimilated Q....that would be something, huh?

[DarthZimmeris]

@Hyrin Isn't that Gaian's saying? Learned when her people's homeworld was destroyed by the Borg thousands of years before these events?

But yeah, it's true: Don't provoke them.

[DarthZimmeris]

@Hyrin ... And NEVER turn your back on a Breen.

Btw, anyone have any thoughts as to what sort of beam it was the Borg used to puncture the hull? The shields were down, so I suppose it could have been something as simple as a high-intensity mining laser...?

Any thoughts?

[madmonkeynat]

Didn't they just call it a "Borg cutting beam"? At least, this is what Worf called it towards the end of part 2.

[DarthZimmeris]

@madmonkeynat That's interesting. Thanks!

[cowboykenny21]

@DarthZimmeris in q who worf says 'a type of laser is slicing into the saucer section' and then in best of both worlds its referred to as a' borg cutting beam' - personally i think that it is a cutting beam used to 'sample' new technology . reason for this hypothesis -

[cowboykenny21]

@DarthZimmeris - as the borg had assimilated federation starships after wolf 359 there was also no need for them to use this cutting beam again - the first contact battle seems to support this theory

[cowboykenny21]

@DarthZimmeris Also lookin back at voyagers 'scorpion part 2 ' when species 8472 are battling the borg at matrix 010 grid 19 the borg only use there holding beam and torpedoes ..

[DarthZimmeris]

@cowboykenny21 Yes, you are right: The Borg stp using beam weapons and switch to the tractor beam and torps...

But what kind of beam was the cutting beam? Not a phaser. Not a disruptor. Not polaron, nor tetryon, nor anti-proton. Do we ever find out what specific beam technology the Borg use?

This keeps me up at nights... :) In STO, they use plasma beams... but not in the series nor the films... those don't look like plasma.

[DarthZimmeris]

@cowboykenny21 The borg cutting beam appears gold in color.

The only other gold weapons I've seen are the Cardassian beams. (Keldon class ships)

And in STO, "transphasic" torpedos are gold. They do weak base damage and dps, but have a 20% shield mitigation bonus.

[MauserK43]

@DarthZimmeris anti-proton beam

[GENERAL1002]

@DarthZimmeris

one made in science fiction.

[doctorwhodidapoo]

a high intesity laser woudlnt even scrape the surface

[tiamat100]

I know this is a silly comment but Janeway would have sacrificed herself immediately...oh well.

Thanks for uploading this.

[CreoleCW]

She did -- in the Voyager series finale.

[rowdy8888]

Could you help me Punch it up to Warp Nine ? ? ?

[Archedgar]

Mr. Worf........... fire.

OH! Legendary line.

[tvp900]

"we have engaged... the borg"

[srvfan454]

Beam worf and data over with thompson guns and a bazooka!

[SledgeHammer15]

How come Worf never gives the other vessels more than 1 second to respond before saying They Are Not Responding?

[Spartacus217]

@SledgeHammer15 Got to squeeze more commercials in.

[mysterio5005]

@SledgeHammer15: Haha, yeah that always bugged me-- *Worf presses button, stares for a second*--"No Response!"

[bmwsux4]

Worf could easily have cut them down with a bat'leth or met'leth.

Or simply replicate a bunch of tommy guns like picard used in the holedeck from first contact which would have made the movie only about 1/2 hour long.

[Roadracer987654321]

If the Balltes of Wolf 359 were ever Remastered onto Blu-Ray the result would be just incredible.

[cpufightclub]

Actually, it would be a disapointment.

Nothing really happens besides Picard being taken captive by a single drone.

And the Riker shirt-tuck maneuver is not going to save the Federation.

Hell, earth itself not to mention other important worlds like vulcan or betazed do not even have defenses or starships to protect them.

[Peglegkickboxer]

it's because they showed scenes of it in deep space 9 once DS9 ended they were done with the 24th century (2300s).

[Astraldragon1]

who the hell is the blond sitting in Troi's seat on the bridge and where is Troi?

[BethelKs]

some hotshot officer gunning for Rikers job. She was brought in to replace riker when he was gonna take command of a ship

[Lizfan2]

Commander Shelby is the blonde. No idea where Troi was at that time.

[BlindAspie]

I remember watching this on TV MANY years ago. This was my favorite until DS9 came along. If I ever get enough money, the 7-season box set of TNG is mine!

[EmisoraRadioPatio]

This is from the end of season 3 and the beginning of season 4

[Proudnewfoundlander1]

This is like a movie. To big for tv, almost

[deathwishtaco]

@Proudnewfoundlander1 I know! They should have just had this released theatrically instead of on TV.

[boynamedblue]

we have engaged the borg and they are ours!

[janb6969]

this just occurred to me, wouldn't it have made sense to remove non essential personnel from the enterprise since they knew it was a combat situation from the get go? not sure if they ever made that clear.

[stonecoldjason]

that what i say or if their matter antie matter explosions are so big why not use it to destory the borg ship or just ram the thing wih about a half of dozen ships at one time

[justin7560]

Yes, they should have removed the saucer section right away. Also, this is just a funny thought, they should have beamed Data onto the Borg ship, with a Batleth, or w/e it's called. He would have killed every Borg on the ship. Unless they had phasers/disruptors to hit him with. They probab;y would.

[TheEggyThing]

I'm pretty sure that the borg drones are armed with energy weapons, so that wouldn't have worked. Amusing thought, though.

[BethelKs]

lol, i can see it now...heres the plan: data, sorry dude, we're about to send your ass on a borg ship with this klingon wepon...godspeed! just call us when your done kicking borg ass...lol

[jet472000]

damn good point. the only thing i can think of is that help was "6 days away" so maybe it wasnt possible.

[totalmileyfan112392]

Best trek bit yet

[vegeta002]

Impressive