The word to describe this is self delusional, and the ideomotor effect is in effect here. But you go on believing it. If some sucker is foolish enough to pay for your services, then you have should be mandated to separate fools from their money.
@minnescanada Coat hangers that have been cut, then reshaped into an "L" formation will do the same thing as what is shown in the video.....seriously! give it a try, anybody can do it.
@minnescanada I used this system to find underground water on my property. I had started a well and hit rock about 10 feet.(no water) After using this very same system I dug in a location that indicated by this system....and found water at 25 feet. I was even able to determine the direction of the underwater stream. no rocks...WITCHCRAFT ??? nope I'm no wizard... just positive and negative energy.... like a compass. I dug my well 80ft deep for irrigation purposes.
We don't need to try it, that's the thing. It's your word vs., well, logical's word. Just think, if this did work why isn't it anywhere? Why don't electric companies use it? I'm sure they'd want to, it'd save them lots and lots of money. James Randi proved a dowser wrong looking for zinc, all you've done is try to prove your word, shown no proof... I mean, why would that be pulled towards water holes? It wouldn't that's the thing...And how dumb are you, you can't control your subconscious.
The effect is called the ideomotor effect. Its the reason ouija boards work (in a way). It's a very interesting phenomenon. Multiple magicians use it in their acts. Derren Brown for instance uses it in several illusions. Tube or google it, tis very interesting.
bahhh. The ideomotor effect only works in the subconcsious mind of wimps. This is a test of Will, and Will Power, as much as it is a test of a bent piece of steel.
I've no probs with water dowsing, think thats its perfectly natural, if you can use a hand-held device for finding nails by electomagnetics. I would think that flowing water with minerals inside would produce a mag-field.
well that is where i was headed, zero, except i got blasted. the science apparently says there are no such energies between the steel rod and the water or ground. the science according to randi and shermer is, this is all a mind trick, that the operator is causing the movement without knowing or believing he or she is causing it. up above, qualia notes, its called the ideomotor effect. but i ain't giving up yet! i need the million bucks.
I read up a little on this and scientific tests have shown it does not work. I don't believe the scientific test because grandpa said it worked and he was like the most grounded person I ever knew.. but he was a farmer from a long line of witching farmers..
anyway.. check it out - there is money involved for proving it works and I like the robot idea!!
My father was a water diviner. People from my environment asked him when they wanted to have a fountain in the garden.
Water has some special qualities. Normally from the molecular structure it should be a gas. We speak from an anomaly about the dielectric qualities of the water. The water content of the human being is about 63%.
Electromagnetism must be the reason that it is feasible. That would be logical.
Thanks very much for making this video, Windham. It doesn't satisfy me personally, due to the lack of scientific controls. The ideomotor effect involves only the minutest (often subconscious) hand movement - it's impossible to determine the steadiness of your hand in this footage. Using a pipe would produce the same effect if tilted. Indeed, many dowsers use such a pipe in their apparatus.
I'm open to believing this works if scientific trials support it. So far none have. But thanks again. ;^>
thanks you too. I know this is not a scientific test. my point is more to show that sometimes rational skeptical people can be fooled by their senses. Boy I am still fooled. So i am hoping a test could be devised to see if this "dowsing" of water lines is completely and totally operator influnce.
thats trippy, i have heard of this kind things in spells and stuff. i have a possible test method, if you are interested.
possibly get some sort of thin PVC pipe, cut it to fit into your palm. then let the metal spin free inside the tube, this way you can move around, and its not touching your skin. then there would be no doubt of subconscious manipulation. still pretty trippy. ive seen some weird things with pyramids too.
something to consider is, the flow of electrons along a stream of water may some how correlate enough friction to cause an electro-magnetic attraction to the metal. it stands to reason that the electrons in the rod are highly sensitive to the magnetic friction. this is all speculation tho.
amazing randi says i (and everyone else) am doing it despite (to spite?) my self and my express intention not to do it. that is what drives me nuts, who's in charge of this pile o bones anyway? like a new car that turns on the lights and locks the doors whether you asked it to or not.
me too clobber. i believe in drinking rarely and irresponsibly. i shall reassign this task to mungbeanman and you can take a break or pull surveillance at the permimeter, or go for a swim.
I am a skeptic but my wife's grandfather would witch wells and I saw him do it... it's really cool. What is the science behind it? I believe it's some natural phenom. but I have never heard it explained but I have seen it and it's indeed the real deal..
I'm also skeptical. To minimize the possibility that you are actually moving the dowsing rod, you could do at least one of the following: blindfold yourself and place the dowsing rod in a ¼" diameter metal pole. The problem is that you know where the line that you laid is located, and could have made a good guess based on where a line could or should be when you found the other line. Our subconscious mind is probably more impacting on decisions or actions we make than we know.
'you know where the line that you laid is located" yes, i made sure to say that, but i should have made it clearer that i have done this on other people's yards, the park, where i did not know the location.
i put a comment about this on qualia's page - i was taught this by an old codger, the public works manager in the small town where i grew up. he used one for forty years, chewed the backhoe drivers ass if they dug in the wrong place.
Is there a variation on the "pull" according to the depth of bury? I wonder. If your next video involves a ouija board I will know you've just harvested a potent batch of "alaskan broccoli"
hahaha that's a good one. no pdog i am constantly dissing all sorts of weird things people claim. except this one of course since it is real. hahaha nope this is as freaky as i can get.
i'd say it does not pull down, like the old dude with the forked stick quivering. nope. i'd say it just swings off to one side or the other to line up with the pipe.
this is great very good : )
clin1392 1 month ago
This works for any pipes or wires-under or above ground.
d1duck 3 months ago
Called the ideomotor effect. Have fun.
Jarathe 10 months ago
@Jarathe and your point is, homer? that you can't read?
windham666 10 months ago
Pokemon?
toxicsamwich 11 months ago
The word to describe this is self delusional, and the ideomotor effect is in effect here. But you go on believing it. If some sucker is foolish enough to pay for your services, then you have should be mandated to separate fools from their money.
minnescanada 1 year ago
@minnescanada have you tried it?
windham666 1 year ago
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HungLikeABuffallo 1 year ago
@minnescanada Coat hangers that have been cut, then reshaped into an "L" formation will do the same thing as what is shown in the video.....seriously! give it a try, anybody can do it.
HungLikeABuffallo 1 year ago
@minnescanada I used this system to find underground water on my property. I had started a well and hit rock about 10 feet.(no water) After using this very same system I dug in a location that indicated by this system....and found water at 25 feet. I was even able to determine the direction of the underwater stream. no rocks...WITCHCRAFT ??? nope I'm no wizard... just positive and negative energy.... like a compass. I dug my well 80ft deep for irrigation purposes.
jcs1492 5 months ago
i use copper rods,not steel,and it works.
raybel1959 1 year ago
Lets look at the facts:
He knows where the lines he is looking for are.
The rod happens to 'mark' the spots he knows already exist.
Now ask yourself, Could he repeat this exactly if he didn't know where the magic lines he's looking for are?
fractal420 3 years ago
Homer, I said that, straight up. I also said it works in your yard too. My neighbors yard. Yards I have never been to before.
Have you tried it or are you just blabbering?
windham666 3 years ago
We don't need to try it, that's the thing. It's your word vs., well, logical's word. Just think, if this did work why isn't it anywhere? Why don't electric companies use it? I'm sure they'd want to, it'd save them lots and lots of money. James Randi proved a dowser wrong looking for zinc, all you've done is try to prove your word, shown no proof... I mean, why would that be pulled towards water holes? It wouldn't that's the thing...And how dumb are you, you can't control your subconscious.
GothicJump 3 years ago
The effect is called the ideomotor effect. Its the reason ouija boards work (in a way). It's a very interesting phenomenon. Multiple magicians use it in their acts. Derren Brown for instance uses it in several illusions. Tube or google it, tis very interesting.
miksedene 3 years ago
bahhh. The ideomotor effect only works in the subconcsious mind of wimps. This is a test of Will, and Will Power, as much as it is a test of a bent piece of steel.
windham666 3 years ago
this effect does depend on you knowing where the water lines are of course, or at least, thinking that you do.
miksedene 3 years ago
So what's stopping you collect Randi's million dollars? Oh that's right, it has to REALLY work.
croozer351 3 years ago 2
I know this is true, a guy at my work he digs and lay pipes and stuff, he knows all about this! And this is one of his technics!
AmonAmarthRRocks 3 years ago
Heh heh, good fun. Richard Dawkins debunked water dowsing in a program called Enemies of Reason. It's probably here on YouTube somewhere.
mungbeanman 3 years ago 2
I've no probs with water dowsing, think thats its perfectly natural, if you can use a hand-held device for finding nails by electomagnetics. I would think that flowing water with minerals inside would produce a mag-field.
aZeroGodist 3 years ago
well that is where i was headed, zero, except i got blasted. the science apparently says there are no such energies between the steel rod and the water or ground. the science according to randi and shermer is, this is all a mind trick, that the operator is causing the movement without knowing or believing he or she is causing it. up above, qualia notes, its called the ideomotor effect. but i ain't giving up yet! i need the million bucks.
windham666 3 years ago
lol
aZeroGodist 3 years ago
suspend it freely on a pulley (kind of like a closeline) and pull it across the water. that'll make the money
larryishere1 3 years ago
thanks for that, i always figured the kiwis were a canny bunch
windham666 3 years ago
I read up a little on this and scientific tests have shown it does not work. I don't believe the scientific test because grandpa said it worked and he was like the most grounded person I ever knew.. but he was a farmer from a long line of witching farmers..
anyway.. check it out - there is money involved for proving it works and I like the robot idea!!
whisky3alpha 3 years ago
Did you say there are electric lines, and you are using a steel bar?
You know any specifics about the electric line? Voltage, current?
ThetaOmega 3 years ago
in the first part, there is a 7200 volt power line, plus 48 volt phone and cable.
in the second part - there is only water in a plastic pipe. no electricity.
yes its steel bar, regular mild steel.
windham666 3 years ago
thats pretty wild:)
dogpatchdebbie 3 years ago
it's a miracle
eternalundylnglove 3 years ago
My father was a water diviner. People from my environment asked him when they wanted to have a fountain in the garden.
Water has some special qualities. Normally from the molecular structure it should be a gas. We speak from an anomaly about the dielectric qualities of the water. The water content of the human being is about 63%.
Electromagnetism must be the reason that it is feasible. That would be logical.
littlebear1963 3 years ago
Thanks very much for making this video, Windham. It doesn't satisfy me personally, due to the lack of scientific controls. The ideomotor effect involves only the minutest (often subconscious) hand movement - it's impossible to determine the steadiness of your hand in this footage. Using a pipe would produce the same effect if tilted. Indeed, many dowsers use such a pipe in their apparatus.
I'm open to believing this works if scientific trials support it. So far none have. But thanks again. ;^>
QualiaSoup 3 years ago
thanks you too. I know this is not a scientific test. my point is more to show that sometimes rational skeptical people can be fooled by their senses. Boy I am still fooled. So i am hoping a test could be devised to see if this "dowsing" of water lines is completely and totally operator influnce.
windham666 3 years ago
wow--amazing.
nicanicabad 3 years ago
thats trippy, i have heard of this kind things in spells and stuff. i have a possible test method, if you are interested.
possibly get some sort of thin PVC pipe, cut it to fit into your palm. then let the metal spin free inside the tube, this way you can move around, and its not touching your skin. then there would be no doubt of subconscious manipulation. still pretty trippy. ive seen some weird things with pyramids too.
cozmikzen 3 years ago
something to consider is, the flow of electrons along a stream of water may some how correlate enough friction to cause an electro-magnetic attraction to the metal. it stands to reason that the electrons in the rod are highly sensitive to the magnetic friction. this is all speculation tho.
cozmikzen 3 years ago
amazing randi says i (and everyone else) am doing it despite (to spite?) my self and my express intention not to do it. that is what drives me nuts, who's in charge of this pile o bones anyway? like a new car that turns on the lights and locks the doors whether you asked it to or not.
windham666 3 years ago
in the comments on qualia's video, you will see i got clobbered by a hardcore engineer type for this same basic idea. clobbered! smack. pow. bam bam.
but i am innocent!
windham666 3 years ago
I'm thirsty.
Clobberbob55 3 years ago
clobber i hereby designate you to try this when sloshed.
windham666 3 years ago
Hmmm.
Sloshed is a very, VERY rare occasion for me.
Clobberbob55 3 years ago
me too clobber. i believe in drinking rarely and irresponsibly. i shall reassign this task to mungbeanman and you can take a break or pull surveillance at the permimeter, or go for a swim.
windham666 3 years ago
That's really awesome.
WrathchildSteven 3 years ago
witch!
whisky3alpha 3 years ago
Also - not every one can do it so I think it has something to do with an individuals body chemistry..
whisky3alpha 3 years ago
damn man yer taking aay one of my best arguments - that anyone can do it.
but that might just be technique - holding it just so. tight enough not to flop, not so tight it binds.
we need someone to build a robot dowser tester.
windham666 3 years ago
i saw this after my last comment. it could be that the body is the conductor of the electron flow. we are greatly made up of water and electricity
cozmikzen 3 years ago
I am a skeptic but my wife's grandfather would witch wells and I saw him do it... it's really cool. What is the science behind it? I believe it's some natural phenom. but I have never heard it explained but I have seen it and it's indeed the real deal..
whisky3alpha 3 years ago
I'm also skeptical. To minimize the possibility that you are actually moving the dowsing rod, you could do at least one of the following: blindfold yourself and place the dowsing rod in a ¼" diameter metal pole. The problem is that you know where the line that you laid is located, and could have made a good guess based on where a line could or should be when you found the other line. Our subconscious mind is probably more impacting on decisions or actions we make than we know.
JohnHasSeriousQ 3 years ago
'you know where the line that you laid is located" yes, i made sure to say that, but i should have made it clearer that i have done this on other people's yards, the park, where i did not know the location.
i put a comment about this on qualia's page - i was taught this by an old codger, the public works manager in the small town where i grew up. he used one for forty years, chewed the backhoe drivers ass if they dug in the wrong place.
windham666 3 years ago
Funny story, but I'd still like to see it done blindfolded and where the rod is balanced in a small metal pipe.
JohnHasSeriousQ 3 years ago
yes, a metal pipe, or perhaps what amounts to a large compass needle, balanced in the middle.
windham666 3 years ago
ok then plastic pipe. anything the rod can sit in so that it does not directly come in contact with your hand.
JohnHasSeriousQ 3 years ago
yes, i shall try this on the morrow
windham666 3 years ago
Is there a variation on the "pull" according to the depth of bury? I wonder. If your next video involves a ouija board I will know you've just harvested a potent batch of "alaskan broccoli"
pdog781 3 years ago
hahaha that's a good one. no pdog i am constantly dissing all sorts of weird things people claim. except this one of course since it is real. hahaha nope this is as freaky as i can get.
i'd say it does not pull down, like the old dude with the forked stick quivering. nope. i'd say it just swings off to one side or the other to line up with the pipe.
windham666 3 years ago
And they usually require us to run tracer wire when we do underground....!
pdog781 3 years ago
just for kicks get an old coat hangar or something and try it out. your friends will either laugh or be amazed.
windham666 3 years ago