@allgoo19 "Laser Heater" is just a trademark of Toyotomi. The principle of operation used by Dainichi, Corona and other brands of kerosene fan heaters is exactly the same. Instead of using a wick, kerosene is vaporized (heated until it becomes a gas) and burned in much the same way as a natural gas/propane heater.
@allgoo19 as near as I can tell, the kerosene preheater is some type of resistance element (most likely ceramic). Once the burner is running, the vaporization heat is provided by the burner itself - similar to how a Primus burner operates. Like many Japanese products, I imagine they called it a "Laser Heater" simply because it was a high-tech sounding English phrase.
@allgoo19 Actually, it is backed by solid information. Search Google for ( om-22 parts ), the first result is a PDF file from Toyotomi - on page 7 there is a complete parts break down of the unit. There is no "laser" in a "laser heater", just like there are no girl scouts in girl scout cookies. Regardless of the technology in the heater, even non-electric wick heaters are "near 100% efficient", due to being unvented - not as a result of any technical wizardry involving lasers.
@gotanmp3 "Actually, it is backed by solid information.."
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You are right, there's no laser parts in it.
Near 100% means 92%, according to Toyotomi data spec. Not to look for absolute 100% but comparison to other methods. Other kerosene heaters are less efficient with the exception of Alladine blue flame but it has its own down side(smells worst after flame put off because of its high temp). Not to mention electric heater, they are total energy hog.
@allgoo19 The thing to remember about kerosene heaters is that their value proposition only works out if a gallon of 1-K costs less than you pay for 39.5kw/h of electricity. For example, if you pay $0.12 per kw/h (national average as of this posting), that's the same as $4.74/gal 1-K. In real world use, you'd get more usable heat from electric heat when pricing is equal, since you don't have to crack a window (and thus let in cold air) for ventilation.
I just bought a kerosene heater. We have power outages alot here. I will be cracking opened the windows. I am concerned with CO. People are so paranoid about using them and making me worried. I want to calm down about it.
@peoniesfleur the electronic Japanese ones will shut down if they detect a high CO level. The non-electric ones have no such safety feature, so you'll want a CO alarm. A CO alarm can be purchased at most hardware stores.
@peoniesfleur I've heard the ones with a digital readout are generally more accurate than the CO detectors that only sound an alarm. As long as you keep a window cracked 1" and have the CO detector, you're good.
@gotanmp3 They do import some of these kerosene heaters to the US. They used to import more of them, but they're not as popular here so the Japanese companies don't bother any more.. It's probably more trouble than it's worth for them. Personally I own (and love) my Toyotomi kerosene heaters. If I ever go to Japan I'm buying and shipping one home myself.
@MissVeronikaBlack Only ones I've seen are the made-in-China models that use wicks. These high tech vaporization heaters seem to be unobtanium in the USA. They're probably worried about product liability, because some people would fill them with gasoline and blow themselves to kingdom come. Lamplight farms recently discontinued one of their alcohol-based ambiance fire products because stupid people were refilling the burner WHILE IT WAS STILL ON FIRE. This is why we can't have nice things.
we had a kero heater years ago in the kitchen and they were very warm. it had a battery ignition.it did smell fume like if it was turned down real low.
do they have natural gas heaters there. natural gas is cheap form of heating here.
It's so weird that there's no way to buy these type of heaters in the USA. It doesn't seem to be an import restriction, I checked the CBP. Kerosene heaters are legal everywhere except assachusetts and California. Japan's postal service just refuses to ship them internationally.
The newer electronic models are equipped with CO (carbon-monoxide) and CO2 (carbon-dioxide) sensors. If the toxic gas levels get to high it turns itself off.
These are in the Uk. Can be bought off Amazon, can be bought from Dryfit. Google 'em. Can also be bought in Ireland from MCL, McLoughlin Oil. I sold oil professionally for years and only came across this technology. I LOVE it. An absolute winner, IF you use COMMON SENSE :-)
@toddatron the Hunter "SHS" military (diesel/kero) space heater is far superior to these and they are made in the USA. they Are designed to heat a 5-10 man tent, but will heat a small home no problem...also diesel is cheaper than kero and you get about the same BTU's per gallon. The SHS is exhausted to the outside thru a 3" chimney, so can be plumbed out a window easily, like a dryer vent. There is NO smell from lighting/extinguishing an SHS unless you do it wrong...
@bigbollocks69 Yea in the states the fire dept and insurance companies would freak out like a New Yorker finding out he is eating raw chicken in Japan. How are the regulations there?
@fairyheli2 That's why you clean them before you put them away and run the oil down. We also have a cover for it when it sits in the closet. They also have replaceable air intake filters.
There's another manufacture that dose kerosene\Paraffin heaters go's under the name of Laser kerosene Heaters one of the models has a Wall Exhaust Vent attachment that goes threw the wall
It allows the heater to expel its exhaust gas's
outside the same vent also pulls in air for the heaters combustion chamber
Its a shame the Laser brand isn't available here in the UK or I would of got myself one with the Wall Vent.
However I do have the Inverter 5006 3.2kW 5L tank (similar to the look of yours) I run it on Premium Ultra Low Sulphur Paraffin (Kerosene) or Tozane (BS 2869C1) - It only smells for 1 sec on start up and 5 secs on shut down
Because most people like to keep their windows closed especially in Winter. The fumes need to be outlet or they condense on the walls. Even if you keep windows open with the kerosene burning a residue still seems to build up.
I had two of these primitive contraptions whilst in Japan. I'd like to warn people that they cause moulding of the walls and the storage of kerosene is again primitive and unsafe in the extreme. It is also almost impossible to carry one from a garage and they don't deliver.
But you did point out some of the limitations clearly, thank you.
You have some true comments but it is what you make of it. Another thing is: I noticed that they dry the hell out of the air to the point I need a humidifier or a pot of water on top of the open type heater. Taking out the water pot... how do you figure they cause mold? Just wondering.
This is a strange question but are their alternate ways of keeping warm in the winter? Also, how cold does it usually get in Japan? I am from the mountains, and am very used to cold weather (and living in snow). Where I live it is common to triple blankets on beds and take other precautions like that to keep warm. Is it the same in Japan?
No! That's a great question. People have central heating in the form of dual function air conditioners that heat as a reverse heat pump. The heater in this video is a glorified version of a camping heater. People tend to just bundle up and stick out the winter as you said. Having a tepid house and wearing a light Jacket is quite common. In Saitama winter is short and mild compared to my home town Boston. The mountain areas however, get just as cold.
Toddatron you bring back lots of memories of my family's 3 times in Japan. My father was stationed there with the US Navy,married my mother there, I was born at the Marine Corps base in Iwakuni and went to D.O.D schools and hung out with lots of mixed parentage kids like myself. In my earlier posts I mention Nivico which is Nippon Victor Company, now JVC. Nivico was the brand of tvs and audio equipment sold in military base px stores in the far east like Japan, Phillipines, Vietnam.
Good info... thanks for the comment. The color codes here are not really an issue... its up to you to do the right thing with the fuel.... However....I do not think they will fill an unapproved container here either...red seems to be o.k. for gas or kerosene.. the guy at the gas station asked what we wanted to put in the red container implying either gas or other fuel was o.k.
Red is gasoline in Canada, yellow is diesel and blue is K1. Fuel staiontions won't fill a red can with diesel here. And kerosene is hard to find and grosely over priced ( double gasoline or diesel )
Yea the gas can... I know its a bit of a downward comment but I know there are people who might try to do it cause they never had to pump their own gas or change their own oil. As for locations... chances are if you are not driving then you live close to a station and that means their will be a store near you. Good comment... Thanks
Its all in Japanese.... I think they print those only for export maybe.... Pleanty of pictures though and trial error and asking a Japanese person helps.... Thanks
I feel like I shouldn't find this vid interesting, but I did!
All the controls are in Japanese. Presumably the instructions are printed in Japanese and English? Otherwise how does the poor Gaijin know how to operate it??
Not sure if I mentioned it but good point...yea...... if you are lucky the AC unit will have heat too. I had an AC unit in a few hotel rooms that had both heat and cooling.
This seems to be the new type of kerosene heater called "Laser Heater" based on quick search on the net.
It burns fuel very efficiently, like near 100%.
I want one so bad.
allgoo19 1 month ago
@allgoo19 "Laser Heater" is just a trademark of Toyotomi. The principle of operation used by Dainichi, Corona and other brands of kerosene fan heaters is exactly the same. Instead of using a wick, kerosene is vaporized (heated until it becomes a gas) and burned in much the same way as a natural gas/propane heater.
gotanmp3 1 month ago
@gotanmp3 "Laser Heater" is just a trademark of Toyotomi.
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Thank you for the info.
Does this mean it uses no laser at all or it uses laser as a part of vaporizing process?
allgoo19 1 month ago
@allgoo19 as near as I can tell, the kerosene preheater is some type of resistance element (most likely ceramic). Once the burner is running, the vaporization heat is provided by the burner itself - similar to how a Primus burner operates. Like many Japanese products, I imagine they called it a "Laser Heater" simply because it was a high-tech sounding English phrase.
gotanmp3 1 month ago
@gotanmp3 "as near as I can tell--I imagine.."
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I doesn't sound like anything you said was backed by solid information but based on your assumptions.
Is that correct?
I'll do my research on this and let you know the result.
allgoo19 1 month ago
@allgoo19 Actually, it is backed by solid information. Search Google for ( om-22 parts ), the first result is a PDF file from Toyotomi - on page 7 there is a complete parts break down of the unit. There is no "laser" in a "laser heater", just like there are no girl scouts in girl scout cookies. Regardless of the technology in the heater, even non-electric wick heaters are "near 100% efficient", due to being unvented - not as a result of any technical wizardry involving lasers.
gotanmp3 1 month ago
@gotanmp3 "Actually, it is backed by solid information.."
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You are right, there's no laser parts in it.
Near 100% means 92%, according to Toyotomi data spec. Not to look for absolute 100% but comparison to other methods. Other kerosene heaters are less efficient with the exception of Alladine blue flame but it has its own down side(smells worst after flame put off because of its high temp). Not to mention electric heater, they are total energy hog.
allgoo19 1 month ago
@allgoo19 The thing to remember about kerosene heaters is that their value proposition only works out if a gallon of 1-K costs less than you pay for 39.5kw/h of electricity. For example, if you pay $0.12 per kw/h (national average as of this posting), that's the same as $4.74/gal 1-K. In real world use, you'd get more usable heat from electric heat when pricing is equal, since you don't have to crack a window (and thus let in cold air) for ventilation.
gotanmp3 1 month ago
Good vid.
peoniesfleur 2 months ago
I just bought a kerosene heater. We have power outages alot here. I will be cracking opened the windows. I am concerned with CO. People are so paranoid about using them and making me worried. I want to calm down about it.
peoniesfleur 2 months ago
@peoniesfleur the electronic Japanese ones will shut down if they detect a high CO level. The non-electric ones have no such safety feature, so you'll want a CO alarm. A CO alarm can be purchased at most hardware stores.
gotanmp3 2 months ago
@gotanmp3 Yes, thanks, I bought one already. Are they reliable? Do they go off if there really is too much CO?
I hope they work well. What do you think?
peoniesfleur 2 months ago
@peoniesfleur I've heard the ones with a digital readout are generally more accurate than the CO detectors that only sound an alarm. As long as you keep a window cracked 1" and have the CO detector, you're good.
gotanmp3 2 months ago
@gotanmp3 They do import some of these kerosene heaters to the US. They used to import more of them, but they're not as popular here so the Japanese companies don't bother any more.. It's probably more trouble than it's worth for them. Personally I own (and love) my Toyotomi kerosene heaters. If I ever go to Japan I'm buying and shipping one home myself.
MissVeronikaBlack 2 months ago
@MissVeronikaBlack Only ones I've seen are the made-in-China models that use wicks. These high tech vaporization heaters seem to be unobtanium in the USA. They're probably worried about product liability, because some people would fill them with gasoline and blow themselves to kingdom come. Lamplight farms recently discontinued one of their alcohol-based ambiance fire products because stupid people were refilling the burner WHILE IT WAS STILL ON FIRE. This is why we can't have nice things.
gotanmp3 2 months ago
we had a kero heater years ago in the kitchen and they were very warm. it had a battery ignition.it did smell fume like if it was turned down real low.
do they have natural gas heaters there. natural gas is cheap form of heating here.
steviebboy69 2 months ago
Then after you're all done filling it up, go and have a cigarette to relax and reflect.
liquid49286 2 months ago
@liquid49286 I usually do and right next to the canister with the lid cap slightly loosened.
toddatron 2 months ago
It's so weird that there's no way to buy these type of heaters in the USA. It doesn't seem to be an import restriction, I checked the CBP. Kerosene heaters are legal everywhere except assachusetts and California. Japan's postal service just refuses to ship them internationally.
gotanmp3 3 months ago
forgot to say: kerosene should be in a blue can, not red.
hitachi088 3 months ago
haha, winter in japan is like -2. the wall are made of paper so dont worry the neighbor are heating your place.
hitachi088 3 months ago
Second look at this video. Wouldn't having to open the door a couple of inches really cut down on how well the heater is going to heat the apartment?
lostindiancamp 4 months ago
Thats very good price in american dollars considering the yen to dollar ratio is around 90 yen to a dollar
worseto 1 year ago
I live in Taiwan and I just got a Dainichi heater. The Chinese instructions where a bit spotty. Thanks for this video post.
WDEVN 1 year ago
The newer electronic models are equipped with CO (carbon-monoxide) and CO2 (carbon-dioxide) sensors. If the toxic gas levels get to high it turns itself off.
(check the device's user guide)
LaterMeansBrick 1 year ago
It seems like these would not be very efficient since it runs on both electricity and gas.
lostindiancamp 1 year ago
These are in the Uk. Can be bought off Amazon, can be bought from Dryfit. Google 'em. Can also be bought in Ireland from MCL, McLoughlin Oil. I sold oil professionally for years and only came across this technology. I LOVE it. An absolute winner, IF you use COMMON SENSE :-)
Anrirua 1 year ago
@Anrirua Cool we cant have them in the USA cause people would do something stupid and then sue the company.
toddatron 1 year ago
@toddatron the Hunter "SHS" military (diesel/kero) space heater is far superior to these and they are made in the USA. they Are designed to heat a 5-10 man tent, but will heat a small home no problem...also diesel is cheaper than kero and you get about the same BTU's per gallon. The SHS is exhausted to the outside thru a 3" chimney, so can be plumbed out a window easily, like a dryer vent. There is NO smell from lighting/extinguishing an SHS unless you do it wrong...
econoroller 1 year ago
@toddatron what they can do? its all covered in aluminum and everything...
hitachi088 3 months ago
can you get thease in the uk ?
bigbollocks69 1 year ago
@bigbollocks69 Not sure and the shipping from here will kill you! That is unless you want 100 of them;) Also they run on 100v 50/60cycles only.
toddatron 1 year ago
@toddatron humm shame about that i think they are missing out on a huge market oppertunity
bigbollocks69 1 year ago
@bigbollocks69 Yea in the states the fire dept and insurance companies would freak out like a New Yorker finding out he is eating raw chicken in Japan. How are the regulations there?
toddatron 1 year ago
where can I get one?
cgw865 1 year ago
Do they import any of these? Most of those available in the States are the older 80s technology. They work well, but nothing like these guys.
Jollyprez 1 year ago
if those paraffin heaters aren't used for a while I bet they stink like burning dust
fairyheli2 1 year ago
@fairyheli2 That's why you clean them before you put them away and run the oil down. We also have a cover for it when it sits in the closet. They also have replaceable air intake filters.
toddatron 1 year ago
There's another manufacture that dose kerosene\Paraffin heaters go's under the name of Laser kerosene Heaters one of the models has a Wall Exhaust Vent attachment that goes threw the wall
It allows the heater to expel its exhaust gas's
outside the same vent also pulls in air for the heaters combustion chamber
hitechguy18 2 years ago
Its a shame the Laser brand isn't available here in the UK or I would of got myself one with the Wall Vent.
However I do have the Inverter 5006 3.2kW 5L tank (similar to the look of yours) I run it on Premium Ultra Low Sulphur Paraffin (Kerosene) or Tozane (BS 2869C1) - It only smells for 1 sec on start up and 5 secs on shut down
hitechguy18 2 years ago
What does error code 02 mean? We have one but can't get it to light.
P3stubug 2 years ago
Sadly don't know the error codes.
But can assume
Error Code 1 - Problem with Pre-Heater Coil
Error Code 2 - Problem with Fuel Pump
Error Code 3 - Problem with Igniter High Voltage Transformer
hitechguy18 2 years ago
@hitechguy18 It was the pump he cleaned the pump out and it worked:)
toddatron 1 year ago
We bought one of these when we lived in Japan. Now it's giving us error code 02. What does that mean?
P3stubug 2 years ago
Because most people like to keep their windows closed especially in Winter. The fumes need to be outlet or they condense on the walls. Even if you keep windows open with the kerosene burning a residue still seems to build up.
FishingtonBurpPuzzle 2 years ago
I see.... yea the residue is like dust making a particle for the mold to adhere to. Yea I never thought of that. Good fact!
toddatron 2 years ago
I had two of these primitive contraptions whilst in Japan. I'd like to warn people that they cause moulding of the walls and the storage of kerosene is again primitive and unsafe in the extreme. It is also almost impossible to carry one from a garage and they don't deliver.
But you did point out some of the limitations clearly, thank you.
FishingtonBurpPuzzle 2 years ago
You have some true comments but it is what you make of it. Another thing is: I noticed that they dry the hell out of the air to the point I need a humidifier or a pot of water on top of the open type heater. Taking out the water pot... how do you figure they cause mold? Just wondering.
toddatron 2 years ago
Use something with commen sense. That knocks 52% of the American public out of it.
jasmine547 2 years ago 2
Heh.... I hate to say it but...... YUP!
toddatron 2 years ago
Just wondering why you moved to Japan and what's it like there?
CraigTube 2 years ago
Its a big story read my bio and watch some of my vids. I show it all. Cheers!
toddatron 2 years ago
This is a strange question but are their alternate ways of keeping warm in the winter? Also, how cold does it usually get in Japan? I am from the mountains, and am very used to cold weather (and living in snow). Where I live it is common to triple blankets on beds and take other precautions like that to keep warm. Is it the same in Japan?
MadamWriterGal 2 years ago
No! That's a great question. People have central heating in the form of dual function air conditioners that heat as a reverse heat pump. The heater in this video is a glorified version of a camping heater. People tend to just bundle up and stick out the winter as you said. Having a tepid house and wearing a light Jacket is quite common. In Saitama winter is short and mild compared to my home town Boston. The mountain areas however, get just as cold.
toddatron 2 years ago
Thank you very much for the information! It really helps me out, especially for knowing what to pack when I go there.
MadamWriterGal 2 years ago
hey todd! buy me 1 in Japan!
jojogero 2 years ago
where can i find this in canada. or shipment to middle ease.
samara197777 2 years ago
maybe somebody would be kind enough to ship one to me ? please PM me . it will be about 4 months until the cold weather hits . thankyou .
stonerj0e 2 years ago
well you can't buy that heater here in the usa !
stonerj0e 2 years ago
You can't the fire department would freak out and so would the homeowners insurance company.
toddatron 2 years ago
Wow sounds like a cool childhood... Glad you are enjoying the vids and... are you coming back for a visit? Cheers and thanks for watching!
toddatron 2 years ago
Toddatron you bring back lots of memories of my family's 3 times in Japan. My father was stationed there with the US Navy,married my mother there, I was born at the Marine Corps base in Iwakuni and went to D.O.D schools and hung out with lots of mixed parentage kids like myself. In my earlier posts I mention Nivico which is Nippon Victor Company, now JVC. Nivico was the brand of tvs and audio equipment sold in military base px stores in the far east like Japan, Phillipines, Vietnam.
Nivicoman 2 years ago
Good info... thanks for the comment. The color codes here are not really an issue... its up to you to do the right thing with the fuel.... However....I do not think they will fill an unapproved container here either...red seems to be o.k. for gas or kerosene.. the guy at the gas station asked what we wanted to put in the red container implying either gas or other fuel was o.k.
toddatron 3 years ago
Hey I just looked at the can and it said for Kerosen only on the can...so I suppose that means they are marked but not color coded.
toddatron 3 years ago
For gas, you have to have approved cans and they are almost always metallic.
toho36 3 years ago
Awesome thanks for the info!
toddatron 3 years ago
red can for kerosene In Japan eh?
Red is gasoline in Canada, yellow is diesel and blue is K1. Fuel staiontions won't fill a red can with diesel here. And kerosene is hard to find and grosely over priced ( double gasoline or diesel )
northerbrewer 3 years ago
You posted "don't bring this on the train." Bring what, the gas can? Are gas/hardware places usually close to apartments?
Elderp 3 years ago
Yea the gas can... I know its a bit of a downward comment but I know there are people who might try to do it cause they never had to pump their own gas or change their own oil. As for locations... chances are if you are not driving then you live close to a station and that means their will be a store near you. Good comment... Thanks
toddatron 3 years ago
lose the turkey baster and get a funnel. real men use funnels!
eightwillwontcannot 3 years ago
Yes but I get all shakey when I drink
toddatron 3 years ago
Its all in Japanese.... I think they print those only for export maybe.... Pleanty of pictures though and trial error and asking a Japanese person helps.... Thanks
toddatron 3 years ago
Japan Tech. That's a good name for this series.
I feel like I shouldn't find this vid interesting, but I did!
All the controls are in Japanese. Presumably the instructions are printed in Japanese and English? Otherwise how does the poor Gaijin know how to operate it??
novanine 3 years ago
Not sure if I mentioned it but good point...yea...... if you are lucky the AC unit will have heat too. I had an AC unit in a few hotel rooms that had both heat and cooling.
toddatron 3 years ago
sounds good,
i dont know what kind of heating i will have in my dorm when i get there in a few weeks, hopefully the ac unit has heater on it too!
atomicboyx 3 years ago