Cuba es el patio trasero de los yanquis, y la isla subyugada y semiesclavizada a traves del corrupto gobierno rojillo de los titeres castro, es usada como prostibulo y base - trampolin para el trafico de cocaina sudamericana a la florida, donde los judios usan de lacayos y sirvientes a los exiliados de la isla.
@Nezahualcoyotl7 Quien te dijo eso??? que Cuba es el patio trasero de los yanquis? que estupides es esa? si los Americanos fueron pateados por fidel como perritos en el 59. en Cuba no hay droga, violencia etc.... estas loco muchacho. Aprende un poco mas antes de hablar.
The thing about the Cuba issue is that .. Obama and his clan truly wanted to lift the embargo.. they were probably about to... BUT, once they stepped into the shoes of president... they see how the Cuban government plays games and THE CASTROS are the ones who have no DESIRE for the emabrgo to be lifted.. Case in point the Yoani Sanchez incident a few weeks ago!
No COmemierda.. es Bloqueo es lo que el goberino de Cuba le tiene a sus propios residentdes.. Cuba puede hacer negocio con TODOS los paises.. tienen 50 anos de una economia sin reparcion.. ni infrstructura para competir en el mundo acutal.. Se pasan la vida hablando de revoucion y llavandole las mente a idiotas como tu ESO MI hermano CUESTA DINERO!!
@Nezahualcoyotl7 Estas hablando cosas muy absurdas indio de mierda. En Cuba no hay ningun narcotrafico como tu dices. prostitucion hay en el mundo entero. en Cuba no hay ni prostibulos ni tables dance como en muchos paises. eso no es permitido en Cuba idiota. acaso has estado en Cuba o has vivido alla para hablar tanta mierda y hacer el ridiculo aqui?
People are so ridiculous looking for EVERY LITTLE THING Obama says and trying to make him out to be the enemy. To take a one-sentence clip from two different speeches is childish and out of context. I'm sure if we heard both discussions we'd understand more, but the YouTube ministers of propaganda would never allow it. It needs to be as biased as possible.
Keep wishing for the return of Bush so the US can get back to paving the roads in Baghdad, our top priority.
well from an american perspective a good leader when the US helped him get to power, and then a friend during the 80s and a tyrant when he finally stopped obeying the US.
I asked how you would charactarize him, I didn't ask for a cynical sarcastic US perspective.
I have a feeling you dodged the question because the fact is Bush deposed a bloodthirsty criminal tyrant, which was the only way to bring him to justice and to confirm his disarmament, and yet you call Bush the war criminal.
This creates a problem for you, because if you admit Saddam was a war criminal, then you have to justify keeping him in power, and explain why you condemn Bush more than Saddam.
NO it does not present any problem for me , I've thought he was a mass murderer but then again I've always thought that, but then again the war in Iraq has led to more deaths then under Saddam so Bush is actually worse.
And the pathetic thing is that you people say you did it for democracy when you support tyrants and dictators in every corner of the world when they obey you it's only when they don't that they becone tyrants to you.
"the war in Iraq has led to more deaths then under Saddam.."
To say something like this is to know absolutely nothing about Saddam Hussein. Look up deaths caused and wars started by Saddam and come back.
Are you saying you support a hawkish policy towards ALL dictatorships? You call us war crmininals for getting rid of Saddam Hussein, what would you call us for getting rid of King Abdullah?
I hear this argument from you people all the time: "You intervene too much, but not enough!"
besides I know what your getting at and I think it's pathetic you just cant help a tyrant to power give him guns and support and then wanting credit for removing him for his crimes.
By that logic, America should've never opposed Stalin after allying with him in WW2.
The idea that decisions can't be reversed and foreign policy can't be changed is illogical and unrealistic.
It's funny that you say the U.S. was wrong for supporting Saddam and yet call George W. Bush a war criminal for correcting that policy of earlier administrations. He was never guilty of supporting Saddam himself
I think your opinions stem more from a prejudiced anti-americanism than from principles.
well you needed Stalin then he was good then you did not need him and he was evil. my point exactly.
When you need dictators it's all fine when you don't they are tyrants.
Again bring people to power give them guns and so on to go nuts on everything and then want prase for removing them.
Look search for George Galloway in Seattle here on youtube he speakst abit about you supporting dictators, wheather you agree with Galloway or not it's a good speeach. and he makes sense.
lmfao, George Galloway is the biggest shill of dictators the world.
When he wasn't saluting Saddam hussein's "courage and indefatiguability" on Iraqi state tv which can be seen here on youtube, he was rabble rousing Iraqi insurgents on Syrian state tv, another baathist dictatorship.
He now works for press tv in the UK, which is owned by the Iranian government, he's their mouthpiece in the West.
If you want to find someone in favour of dictatorship, and totalitarianism Galloway's your man.
George Galloway will side with anyone so long as they are anti-american, that's why he sided with the Soviet Union until it fell, and then he sided with Arab dictators, particularly Saddam, but then he fell, and now he's siding with the mullahs in Tehran, and Hezbollah and Hamas.
He's just sore with dictators friendly with the U.S., whilst loving anti-us dictators.
Do you think it's a wise policy to be hawkish with all dictatorships, or should the ones hostile towards you be high priority?
look go watch the speech, ok go watch it he speaks very ill of dictators there ok, dictators in Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Nigeria, just see it ok.
lol, yes, pro-western dictators. If dictators are pro-west, Galloway hates them, if they're anti-us, lkie Fidel Castro, Ahmadinejad, Al-Assad, and others, he supports them. Look up his comments on Fidel, his comments on Iran, on Syria, and the theocratic Hezbollah militia. He hates Egypt because it made peace with Israel.
Look at where your anti-american prejudice has gotten you, looking up to and admiring a disgraced member of british parliament and a shill for state sponsors of terrorism.
I hope the embargo is lifted . Its a win win for USA and Cuba and America is no longer held hostage by a small radical Miami Cuban junta. These people have imposed a failed policy for decades.
I hope the embargo is lifted as are all the other stupid things that the Miami Fascist Cuban junta and the mostly corrupt S.Florida Cuban politicians have shoved down Americas throat . Moderate Cubans long for the day we no longer see another Cuban in power in Miami as tired of seperatists fascists
I'm a moderate Cuban. Don't talk for me‼ Your opinions are yours, not ours. The only Cubans we no longer want to see in power are the Fascist-Castro Brothers‼
Lol the fascists are the mostly corrupt-certainly do nothing self serving Cuban politicians in S.Florida who get reelected over and over by screaming "Cuba libre" while not doing a damn thing for the Miami Cubans or Miami period. While you look at Cuba those Cuban fascists have their hands in your wallets. Miamis version of moderate makes Rush Limbaugh look liberal. By the way I hate Castro to but know another corrupt Miami political Cuban like Batista before him will take his place.
Tell me about the Cuban people I was at the bay of pigs, only I did'nt drop my weapon and run. Of course after the cowardly so called militia of the free Cubans gave up without a fight I learned to swim long distances. I have no respect for the Cuban people as fighters. They are cowards.
00knowitall, Either you lie on your profile, or you lie on this page. Either way you're a liar‼ ¿How can you expect to get away with such a stupid "story" of : "I was at the Bay of Pigs... bla, bla, bla..., when acording to your profile you're 53 yrs.old, therefore only 11, when that happened? YOU are a coward, because you are afraid to face the TRUTH. The REALITY is that they were very BRAVE and fought to the end against this BIG army? Have the courage to get the TRUE facts‼
You seem to forgoet like many of the brain washed Miami Cubans (not to be confused with those of us who have lived in another state.and see the big picture)
that MOST of the island supported and WANTED Castro thats how bad Batista was.
ONLY in Miami is the brutality of right wing Batista left out of history.
Castro is crap as was Batista and sadly the next Cuban leader if its a Miami political corrupt transplant will be no better. Just another typical Cuban political crook with another name
ArizonaMt.Kingsnake, first of all, the one that seems to be "brain washed" by the Crastro's propaganda against the Miami Cubans is you. Living in another state (like I do), in fact let you see the big picture. Living in Cuba, and pretending to live in the US, DOES NOT (hint). Nobody in the Miami historic-exile comunity, FORGET that MOST cubans supportted Castro because most of THEM, were the ones who fought against Batista. That was 50 years ago. They still have the same dem. IDEALS‼
lol you are beyond stupid. You think I am living in Cuba and pretending to live in USA?That goes how ignorant you are. No internet in Cuba -No youtube,etc in Cuba. Man your a typical fascist brainwashed Cuban who thinks anyone who dare say anything about the Miami Cuban fascist "Cosa Nostra" is a communist or/and living in Cuba lmao.
Well, I do live in S.Florida which is chuck full of corrupt Cuban politicians as corrupt as any official in Cuba.
Hahaha.... LOL I'm sorry "mijo", but you're the most "beyond stupid" person I've encountered in yt trying to denigrade the true Cuban patriots that have not giving up on Marti's dream. Let me quote what you said before : "...(not to be confused with those of us who have lived in another state.and see the big picture)"... What credibility can you have when now you say you live in S. Fla.? Typical of UCI students contradicting themselves due to poor knowledge of facts‼ Don't teach me kid‼
I lived in NY for 24 yrs not counting 3 yrs in Army in combat MOS which is 3 yrs more than any of the fascist ,neocon ,hypocrite mostly corrupt S.Florida Cuban politicians you adore have ever served.
I moved here 2 yrs ago . I know your to brainwashed ,to much of a TYPICAL Miami Cuban to dare question or take a good objective look at the Cuban juntas failed policy towards Cuba or the Cuban do nothing political sewage waste you all continue to reelect. If you consider 30 yrs a "Mijo" than so be.
The Murderers are in MIAMI - TERRORISTS like Luis Posada Carriles ("South America's Bin Laden" who blew up Cubana Flight 455 in 1976), Orlando Bosch (his partner in crime), Felix Rodriguez (point man for Oliver North in Iran/Contra, trained central American death squads, ordered execution of Che Guevara), Alpha 66, Brigade 2506, etc -- Go to Versailles restaurant in Miami where these gusano assassins will be sitting at the best table.
Great pain???? LOL Spare me!! Cubans are the leeches that have had it better than most latins in the US. Bunch of whiners can't get the 1 million Cuban boat owners in Hialeah to join together and revolt against the Cuban government, instead sit 90 miles away, collect government help and find the time to piss and moan about how bad they have it. Do us all a favor and go back to Cuba and actually do something about regaining your island. LOL and you say Puertoricans are lazy lol.
Saying "Yes we can" isnt going to make any changes. I hope Pres Obama is true to the masses who voted for him. He can begin with FBI investigations on how Black law abiding men are treated with contempt and disrespect by police like in S.Florida while Cuban politicians do nothing about it. We need to stop invading the whole world and clean up our own corrupt, messy house. I can't think of a single Cuban politician in S.Florida worth a damn and I am Cuban. Vote out the CubanKuKluxKlan
Bullshit. Cuban-Americans use their political power just like any other group. America observes an embargo because America had its assets stolen. We did not trade with China for more than 30 years UNTIL China settled on the expropriations. Learn some history, pal.
Sucessful Cuban x-pats and lobbiest bombard every party with contributions to make sure the American dollar does not land in Cuba. This is corruption and not the poular American opinion. WE are the only westernized nation to observe the embargo. Trading with China is a double standard and is crippling our economy. Cuba does not suppose that threat. If nothing else, travel should be uplifted. We already have suppliers that have exclusions such as "a" beef company. Monopoly. Politics are stupid.
The embargo is wrong and has caused economic problems for Cuba for a very long time.
We should trade with them. Be friends with them. This will boost their economy and the Cuban way of life by allowing FREEDOM to trade as Cubans and Americans see fit.
I am extremely disappointed in Obama for this. The embargo is wrong no matter how you look at it. Because of it, rather than the socialist policies of the gvt, many Cubans are impoverished and their economy is poor. PUNISHING A NATION'S PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE DIRECTION OF THEIR GOVERNMENT IS WRONG. But, if you are one who thinks the Cuban gvt is evil, ending the embargo will expose the Cuban people to U.S culture, and if they so choose, will seek to be more capitalist.
I would recommend you checking out Senator Mel Martinez's speech on why ending the embargo right now is not recommended. Look, Cubans are not allowed to interact with tourist. They even have special tourist only areas. For decades there have been Spanish, Italian, British and Canadian tourists on the island and it has not changed a thing. What Cubans want, is for the US Government to end the travel restrictions, so they themselves can speed up the change.
The problem is political contributions by Caba`s x-pats and established relocated businesses. Altadis, Sweedish Match, general Cigar. Some examples. These companies contribute to ALL parties to insure the embargo is not lifted. Then there is the legality of the taken real estate and businesses. Nobody wants this legal mess during their administration. As wrong as it is, it is all about big business and lawyers. Not popular opinion or what is right. Dealing with China is a huge double standard!
As a fellow cuban I think that Obama is a flip flopping jack off..... No cubans will forget the bullshit from the past democratic presidents and as a floridan I think he will not get the Cuban vote in miami or for that matter across the nation.
Now his pro-cuban embargo? Wow, now you can see he doesn't care about the cuban people suffering horrible economic problems due to the embargo... I just lost my respect for Obama...
We shouldn't recognize an illegitimate regime that stole from America and that abuses its own people. We shouldn't assume that the dictatorship is going to let any of the benefits of trade with the U.S. trickle down to the people. It hasn't in the past. The rest of the world trades with Cuba.
The embargo was initially installed in order to pressure the socialist Castro govt to become more democratic and capitalist. With the change from Fidel to Raul, wages are now not egalaterian, the free market system is slowly being conceived and therefore, the embargo is no longer necessary. Btw Castro never 'stole' from the Americas. There was a time when the USA had its revolution too.
Wrong Jackass. The embargo was put in place as a punitive measure after Cuba expropriated $1.8 billion in U.S. business assets. Cuba has no free market system. And those egalitarian wages have driven 2 million to leave the country. Get an education douchebag.
He said "Liberty" in spanish. He said he'd lift the embargo which would result in a change in Cuba. That's not a flip flop. Yet, he's another Ronald Regan. Trust me my friend, neither of the two leading candidates are worth your vote, yet 3rd parties get no media.
He says Libertad as if a slogan was going to make Cuban-Americans forget the many betrayals by Democrat presidents. As for the candidates, I'm not happy with either one either but no way I'm going to vote for a pinko like Barack Hussein Obama.
mmmm... he said politicians tell cubans in Fla, who hate Castro, what pleases them to hear but no action. It's what Obama said. And he said he'd lift the embargo in Cuba, and attempt to restore relations with Fidel's regime. How's that a flip flop?
He says in the first clip back when nobody knew who he was that he'd lift the embargo. In the second clip addressing a Cuban-American crowd in Little Havana he says he wouldn't lift the embargo. That equals flip flop on the definitive issue with regards to Cuba policy.
Neocon to me means EXTREME right wing and that is much of the Cuban voters. I doubt that Cubans voted 20% for Carter if you want to say 20% of the South Florida vote went to Carter thats fine but it came from NON Cubans by the way Carter sucked but my point is Miami Cubans dont leave the Rep party even to vote out corrupt politicians. The die hard blind loyalty the Cubans here have for ANY Rep has given some of the most corrupt reps in America a job for life.
I tried to send you a message with a link because youtube won't let me post a link in the comments but you're blocking messages from non-friends.
Reagan got 80% of the Cuban vote in 1980. Maybe you don't really realize this but 80% is a huge majority. You seem to think Obama ggetting 20% is a big deal. I'm telling you it's terrible for him. Other Democratic candidates have gotten as much as 35% of the Cuban vote.
As a Cuban and Obama supporter I feel I should tell you that you are underestimating the change that is occuring in the Cuban-American community. Having Obama at CANF's Cuban Indep. Day Luncheon is just one example. The generation of loyal republicans is growing older while younger Cuban voters and more recent arrivals have shown increased support for the Democrats. The fact that for the first time the Diaz-Balarts have realistic opponents is a big deal.
The Miami Herald has been talking about that generational shift for 25 years and it hasn't materialized yet. Obama is polling 21% of Cuban-Americans. Is that the shift you are talking about?
Come back here on Nov. % and we'll see who is roght,
I will come back in Nov, but also remember it's not just about Obama. You must also consider Mario Diaz-Balart vs Joe Garcia and Lincoln Diaz-Balart vs Raul Martinez. Remember that most Cuban voters are older exiles as newer arrivals are not citizens or politically apathetic and my generation simply does not vote.
Even if they don't win - if they get more than 40% of the vote each that would be something quiet new in this community. That unknown Democrat in 2006 got 44% against Lincoln - I'm sure Raul will do better than that.
Raul was the very popular mayor of a city almost entirely contained within the district. A city that's 90% Hispanic, most of it Cuban. And still according to Democratic pollster Bendixen he's losing the Cuban vote by 2-1. If Raul gets close to Lincoln it won't be because of Cuban support. And Joe Garcia is doing even worse with Cubans.
The unknown democrat ran against Mario not Lincoln. He got 41.5% of the vote in 2006 in a district that didn't exist before 2002. The district was at the time 39.8 Republican and 33.1% Democratic. A 17-point spread is not easy to overcome and Joe Garcia, even with all the money he has raised is a very divisive figure among Cuban-Americans. Most rightly see him as they guy that destroyed CANF.
And you're wrong about Rubio not representing the younger generation. Do a search for Obama's speech to CANF and take a look at how many people have viewed it then look at the video for Rubio's speech and look at how many people have viewed it.
But you won't be able to argue with the numbers in November. Have fun.
Well, most of the people I've grown up around are young Cuban-Americans and I'm telling you you're in denial. I am the president of the CASA at my university and only one or two of our CASA members are supporting McCain in this election.
What you are saying, the Miami Herald has been saying for 25 years. It's just not true. Your anecdotes are not backed up by any data. FIU has been conducting a poll of Cuban-Americans for 15 years and the levels of party affiliation have remained flat for that entire time. 2/3 of Cuban Americans are Republican with the remaining third split between Dems and independents.
Read my pajamas media article. The numbers are black and white.
I don't know if it is right to call it a flip flop if the comments are years apart. True he changed his mind...but not in three seconds like McCain. I would be disappointed if a candidate NEVER changed their mind. Obama is NOT perfect but he is a lot better than McCain or Hiliary.
Obama voted today to give Bush what he wanted as far as immunity from spying lawsuits . He lost my vote today and tired of his flip flop bs he is another Pelosi. Will go independent
"Under this compromise legislation, an important tool in the fight against terrorism will continue, but the President's illegal program of warrantless surveillance will be over."-Obama in regards to the legislation you mentioned.
If you also look at the votes he voted for Specter's amendment the goal of which was to prevent immunity if the spying that was done was unconstitutional. I hope this helped let me know if you think I am wrong.
The difference isn't the three years. It's the context and the audience. When you are running for Senate in a state with handful of Cuban-Americans it make sense to come out against the embargo and hold the party line on the issue. When you are running for president and need to win a state Al Gore lost by less than 600 votes because of Elian Gonzalez you tend to get religion real quick (if you'll pardon the pun since you're an atheist).
No worries about the religion pun it was rather funny actually. I see your point and it is no doubt valid. There was still a ~three year gap though right? I suppose the real thing to do is to ask him now that the votes no longer matter. I don't know if that has been done but it would settle the issue.
The election is in November. Cuban-Americans make up about 10% of the vote in Florida, a swing state that Gore lost to Bush by less than 600 votes. It still matters. If Al Gore had gotten the same percentage (35%) of the Cuban vote that Clinton got in 1996 (before the Elian saga) he would have won the presidency. Instead he got 20% (Jimmy Carter level) and lost. Obama wants Cuban votes and thinks his modified "hard line" stance on Cuba will make Cubans forget why they are Republicans.
Well I suppose we will have to ask him after the election. Just a thought though *if* Obama changed his stance just to get the votes. *If* he follows through with his new stance wouldn't he be doing exactly what a politician is supposed to do? Politicians pick a side on a topic are voted on accordingly and then if elected they represent the will of the people who elected them. So wouldn't that make him the perfect politician? Just a thought. All politicains are guilty of the same...right?
Look, I'm Reaganite conservative Republican. I believe in an ideology that is distinct and separate from Obama's. What pisses me off about him is his transparent play to attempt to woo Cuban voters. I blog at something called Babalu and I could write a hundred thousand words on this. But suffice it to say Cubans aren't buying his schtick. A poll just released by a DEMOCRATIC pollster has Obama currently getting 21% of the Cuban vote in South Florida. I'll leave it at that.
Fair enough. Like I said "voted on accordingly". If people don't trust you they won't vote for you. That is why staying on topic pays. That is not to say that a Politian shouldn't be allowed to change their mind. They should be able to clearly explain why though. Well this has been good discussion have a nice day.
One of the reasons I got turned off to Huckabee early on was because as Governor of Arkansas he wrote a letter to Bush asking to end the embargo so his rice farmers would have another export market. Then running for president he came to Miami and was for the embargo. It was transparent. I want a candidate that believes what I believe not a candidate that tells me he believes what I believe. Huckabee even said that when he was gov. he didn't have the country's best interests in mind just Ark
Yeah I wish they could just be honest as well. The problem is that politics work as a natural selection (if you will pardon the pun) that selects for the dishonest. Most people are not willing to do the research and take the politicians at face value. So only the most dishonest survive. I will *never* see a politician that supports all of my views in my lifetime. I can vote for the one that is the closest. BTW I didn't like Huckabee because of his constitutional remarks for obvious reasons.
Wow 21% of the Cuban vote thats GREAT you know we are die hard NEOCONS. Not even moderate Reps but neocons. I am Cuban I think I am only Cuban here who will NOT be voting Rep ESP THe corrupt politicians here I plan to vote anyone who runs against them. I will NOT vote McBush. The chances of God himself getting the Miami Cuban vote unless he runs as a Rep are slim to none so dont act like its shocking that he is only getting 21% of Cuban vote
First of all do you know what a neocon is? I mean I know you know it's a label that libs like to throw around to disparage many Republicans but do you know what it is? Cubans have been largely conservative Republican voters since the 70s and 80s, well before anyone had uttered the word neocon. And to put Obama's 21% into historical perspective, Jimmy Carter got about 20% of the Cuban vote in 1980. It's not good. Clinton got 35% in 1996 (pre Elian).
Clinton got 35% as a well-liked incumbent with an economy without serious problems. The comparision with Obama seems a bit unfair as he is black (not to say we as a community are racist - that would be wrong, bit there are certain racial tensions in Miami) and he is not a not very well known candidate for most Cubans.
What percentage of the Cuban vote did Clinton get in 1992?
He got 20% in 1992. If you want to know what's what do a google search for Pajamas Media. When you get to the site, do a search for Cuban generational shift and you will see an article I wrote about this.
Also here at youtube do a search for Marco Rubio CANF. Rubio the Republican House Speaker of Florida spoke before Obama at the same event. Judge for yourself who "won".
By the way what you say is exactly right which is why Clinton's "high" numbers among Cuban-Americans in 1996 were an anomaly. This group has consistently gone 80/20 in favor of Republicans. And it's not just about Cuba. Talk about old-fashioned rhetoric, Cubans have been hearing promises of social justice and other Marxist utopian dreams for better than 55 years. And where did it get them? Cubans reject the soft socialism that Obama is selling.
There is a lot of that left-wing phobia among older Cuban voters. Do doubt about that. Yet this "soft socialism" as you call it might have more support than you might imagine. Among Cubans who grew up in post-1959 Cuba you will find strong support for free healthcare and free education - things they had come use to in Cuba even though they oppose the totalitarian nature of the regime and the economic system.
Couldn't you take SMALLER segments of his statements?
I dare you to post the full speeches in which he makes the two statements you isolated. If it still looks like he flip flopped, I'll send you $1000, if not, you send it to me. Deal?
Here's my response to Mr. Smartass above in several parts. I was trying to make a political ad so it was supposed to be concise. The speeches I drew the material from are all on Youtube. Search for "Barack Obama on the Cuban Embargo" and "Barack Obama: Cuba Policy"
The first video I reference in the comment above was taken in 2004 and he is clearly against the embargo.
"I think it's time for us to end the embargo on Cuba...
The Cuban embargo has failed to provide the source of rising standards of living and has squeezed the innocents in Cuba and utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro who has now been in there since I was born so it's time for us to acknowledge that that particular policy has failed."
In the second video which was taken in 2007 while addressing a largely Cuban-American crowd at the Miami-Dade Auditorium he says he'd lift travel and remittance restrictions for Cuban-Americans only but...
2007
"As president, I'm not going to take off the embargo. It's an important inducement for change because we know Castro's death will not automatically guarantee freedom."
He is starting to show that he isnt who I thought he was I dont want another Nancy Pelosi who saids one thing yet votes with GOP. I am starting to look at Independents now he is saying no time table about leaving Iraq and perhaps Bushs spying might be needed. I wont throw my vote away . I supported him completely and sent him money now I am not so sure .
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Ron paul wants to lift the embargo
folladordeprostis 3 months ago
He's obviously just a lying, manipulating, deceitful, scumbag.
Perky0101 6 months ago
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Perky0101 6 months ago
I love cigars and I want the embargo to end because Cuban cigars could be legal in the US and I could buy them and smoke them.
98bigbutt 11 months ago
let's end this stupid thung now, why we can go to viet nam anytime but not Cuba!ummm
TheBarry4929 1 year ago
@TheBarry4929 if obama ever lifts the embargo ,glen beck,neo-cons,tea party will riot on the streets,they love the embargo..........
folladordeprostis 3 months ago
Cuba es el patio trasero de los yanquis, y la isla subyugada y semiesclavizada a traves del corrupto gobierno rojillo de los titeres castro, es usada como prostibulo y base - trampolin para el trafico de cocaina sudamericana a la florida, donde los judios usan de lacayos y sirvientes a los exiliados de la isla.
puedes negarlo cuantas veces quieras.
Esta todo documentado.
:D
Nezahualcoyotl7 2 years ago
@Nezahualcoyotl7 Quien te dijo eso??? que Cuba es el patio trasero de los yanquis? que estupides es esa? si los Americanos fueron pateados por fidel como perritos en el 59. en Cuba no hay droga, violencia etc.... estas loco muchacho. Aprende un poco mas antes de hablar.
Qbano21 8 months ago
The thing about the Cuba issue is that .. Obama and his clan truly wanted to lift the embargo.. they were probably about to... BUT, once they stepped into the shoes of president... they see how the Cuban government plays games and THE CASTROS are the ones who have no DESIRE for the emabrgo to be lifted.. Case in point the Yoani Sanchez incident a few weeks ago!
NEWYORKLIBRE 2 years ago
Cual embargo?
Es bloqueo!
pues en la isla existe la corrupcion, el narcotrafico y la prostitucion.
y los dolares americanos y pesos mexicanos underground.
la isla platanera es una pobre base usada por los gringos y su narcotrafico y actividades lucrativas fuera de la ley estadounidense.
Nezahualcoyotl7 2 years ago
@Nezahualcoyotl7
No COmemierda.. es Bloqueo es lo que el goberino de Cuba le tiene a sus propios residentdes.. Cuba puede hacer negocio con TODOS los paises.. tienen 50 anos de una economia sin reparcion.. ni infrstructura para competir en el mundo acutal.. Se pasan la vida hablando de revoucion y llavandole las mente a idiotas como tu ESO MI hermano CUESTA DINERO!!
NEWYORKLIBRE 2 years ago
comemierrda es tu y toda tu tribu de comunistoides trepa palmeras afrotainos.
falta que digas que almighty Fidel tambien ordena a los EE.UU que no permita a sus ciudadanos viajar a la isla!
no mammes! Cuba es el hazme reir, porque es una isla esclava disfrazada de comunista.
jajajaja
Nezahualcoyotl7 2 years ago
COLMO DE LA IGNORANCIA
rickllano 2 years ago
@Nezahualcoyotl7 Estas hablando cosas muy absurdas indio de mierda. En Cuba no hay ningun narcotrafico como tu dices. prostitucion hay en el mundo entero. en Cuba no hay ni prostibulos ni tables dance como en muchos paises. eso no es permitido en Cuba idiota. acaso has estado en Cuba o has vivido alla para hablar tanta mierda y hacer el ridiculo aqui?
Qbano21 8 months ago
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he's full of shit!!!!!!!!!!!
NSequeira 2 years ago
People are so ridiculous looking for EVERY LITTLE THING Obama says and trying to make him out to be the enemy. To take a one-sentence clip from two different speeches is childish and out of context. I'm sure if we heard both discussions we'd understand more, but the YouTube ministers of propaganda would never allow it. It needs to be as biased as possible.
Keep wishing for the return of Bush so the US can get back to paving the roads in Baghdad, our top priority.
FigurinItOut 2 years ago
well it's good that they call him a socialist, a communist, anti american because it only shows that they have nothing on him.
Now Bush you could correctly call war mongerer, mass murder, war criminal, perhaps even traitor and that is a bit worse
FilipH86 2 years ago
How would you characterize Saddam Hussein?
Re5Publica 2 years ago
well from an american perspective a good leader when the US helped him get to power, and then a friend during the 80s and a tyrant when he finally stopped obeying the US.
FilipH86 2 years ago
I asked how you would charactarize him, I didn't ask for a cynical sarcastic US perspective.
I have a feeling you dodged the question because the fact is Bush deposed a bloodthirsty criminal tyrant, which was the only way to bring him to justice and to confirm his disarmament, and yet you call Bush the war criminal.
This creates a problem for you, because if you admit Saddam was a war criminal, then you have to justify keeping him in power, and explain why you condemn Bush more than Saddam.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
NO it does not present any problem for me , I've thought he was a mass murderer but then again I've always thought that, but then again the war in Iraq has led to more deaths then under Saddam so Bush is actually worse.
And the pathetic thing is that you people say you did it for democracy when you support tyrants and dictators in every corner of the world when they obey you it's only when they don't that they becone tyrants to you.
FilipH86 2 years ago
"the war in Iraq has led to more deaths then under Saddam.."
To say something like this is to know absolutely nothing about Saddam Hussein. Look up deaths caused and wars started by Saddam and come back.
Are you saying you support a hawkish policy towards ALL dictatorships? You call us war crmininals for getting rid of Saddam Hussein, what would you call us for getting rid of King Abdullah?
I hear this argument from you people all the time: "You intervene too much, but not enough!"
Re5Publica 2 years ago
besides I know what your getting at and I think it's pathetic you just cant help a tyrant to power give him guns and support and then wanting credit for removing him for his crimes.
FilipH86 2 years ago
By that logic, America should've never opposed Stalin after allying with him in WW2.
The idea that decisions can't be reversed and foreign policy can't be changed is illogical and unrealistic.
It's funny that you say the U.S. was wrong for supporting Saddam and yet call George W. Bush a war criminal for correcting that policy of earlier administrations. He was never guilty of supporting Saddam himself
I think your opinions stem more from a prejudiced anti-americanism than from principles.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
well you needed Stalin then he was good then you did not need him and he was evil. my point exactly.
When you need dictators it's all fine when you don't they are tyrants.
Again bring people to power give them guns and so on to go nuts on everything and then want prase for removing them.
Look search for George Galloway in Seattle here on youtube he speakst abit about you supporting dictators, wheather you agree with Galloway or not it's a good speeach. and he makes sense.
FilipH86 2 years ago
lmfao, George Galloway is the biggest shill of dictators the world.
When he wasn't saluting Saddam hussein's "courage and indefatiguability" on Iraqi state tv which can be seen here on youtube, he was rabble rousing Iraqi insurgents on Syrian state tv, another baathist dictatorship.
He now works for press tv in the UK, which is owned by the Iranian government, he's their mouthpiece in the West.
If you want to find someone in favour of dictatorship, and totalitarianism Galloway's your man.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
I said weather you agree with him or not it's a good speech and that's true
FilipH86 2 years ago
George Galloway will side with anyone so long as they are anti-american, that's why he sided with the Soviet Union until it fell, and then he sided with Arab dictators, particularly Saddam, but then he fell, and now he's siding with the mullahs in Tehran, and Hezbollah and Hamas.
He's just sore with dictators friendly with the U.S., whilst loving anti-us dictators.
Do you think it's a wise policy to be hawkish with all dictatorships, or should the ones hostile towards you be high priority?
Re5Publica 2 years ago
look go watch the speech, ok go watch it he speaks very ill of dictators there ok, dictators in Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Nigeria, just see it ok.
FilipH86 2 years ago
lol, yes, pro-western dictators. If dictators are pro-west, Galloway hates them, if they're anti-us, lkie Fidel Castro, Ahmadinejad, Al-Assad, and others, he supports them. Look up his comments on Fidel, his comments on Iran, on Syria, and the theocratic Hezbollah militia. He hates Egypt because it made peace with Israel.
Look at where your anti-american prejudice has gotten you, looking up to and admiring a disgraced member of british parliament and a shill for state sponsors of terrorism.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
your a fucking fool do you like to put words in other people's mouths eventhough they have never said anything.
Tell me where have I said that I like George Galloway I have not, so fuck you right back. Idiot
FilipH86 2 years ago
I hope the embargo is lifted . Its a win win for USA and Cuba and America is no longer held hostage by a small radical Miami Cuban junta. These people have imposed a failed policy for decades.
ArizonaMtKingsnake 2 years ago
I hope the embargo is lifted as are all the other stupid things that the Miami Fascist Cuban junta and the mostly corrupt S.Florida Cuban politicians have shoved down Americas throat . Moderate Cubans long for the day we no longer see another Cuban in power in Miami as tired of seperatists fascists
ArizonaMtKingsnake 2 years ago
I'm a moderate Cuban. Don't talk for me‼ Your opinions are yours, not ours. The only Cubans we no longer want to see in power are the Fascist-Castro Brothers‼
martivive 2 years ago
Lol the fascists are the mostly corrupt-certainly do nothing self serving Cuban politicians in S.Florida who get reelected over and over by screaming "Cuba libre" while not doing a damn thing for the Miami Cubans or Miami period. While you look at Cuba those Cuban fascists have their hands in your wallets. Miamis version of moderate makes Rush Limbaugh look liberal. By the way I hate Castro to but know another corrupt Miami political Cuban like Batista before him will take his place.
ArizonaMtKingsnake 2 years ago
Tell me about the Cuban people I was at the bay of pigs, only I did'nt drop my weapon and run. Of course after the cowardly so called militia of the free Cubans gave up without a fight I learned to swim long distances. I have no respect for the Cuban people as fighters. They are cowards.
00knowitall 2 years ago
00knowitall, Either you lie on your profile, or you lie on this page. Either way you're a liar‼ ¿How can you expect to get away with such a stupid "story" of : "I was at the Bay of Pigs... bla, bla, bla..., when acording to your profile you're 53 yrs.old, therefore only 11, when that happened? YOU are a coward, because you are afraid to face the TRUTH. The REALITY is that they were very BRAVE and fought to the end against this BIG army? Have the courage to get the TRUE facts‼
martivive 2 years ago
You seem to forgoet like many of the brain washed Miami Cubans (not to be confused with those of us who have lived in another state.and see the big picture)
that MOST of the island supported and WANTED Castro thats how bad Batista was.
ONLY in Miami is the brutality of right wing Batista left out of history.
Castro is crap as was Batista and sadly the next Cuban leader if its a Miami political corrupt transplant will be no better. Just another typical Cuban political crook with another name
ArizonaMtKingsnake 2 years ago
ArizonaMt.Kingsnake, first of all, the one that seems to be "brain washed" by the Crastro's propaganda against the Miami Cubans is you. Living in another state (like I do), in fact let you see the big picture. Living in Cuba, and pretending to live in the US, DOES NOT (hint). Nobody in the Miami historic-exile comunity, FORGET that MOST cubans supportted Castro because most of THEM, were the ones who fought against Batista. That was 50 years ago. They still have the same dem. IDEALS‼
martivive 2 years ago
lol you are beyond stupid. You think I am living in Cuba and pretending to live in USA?That goes how ignorant you are. No internet in Cuba -No youtube,etc in Cuba. Man your a typical fascist brainwashed Cuban who thinks anyone who dare say anything about the Miami Cuban fascist "Cosa Nostra" is a communist or/and living in Cuba lmao.
Well, I do live in S.Florida which is chuck full of corrupt Cuban politicians as corrupt as any official in Cuba.
ArizonaMtKingsnake 2 years ago
Hahaha.... LOL I'm sorry "mijo", but you're the most "beyond stupid" person I've encountered in yt trying to denigrade the true Cuban patriots that have not giving up on Marti's dream. Let me quote what you said before : "...(not to be confused with those of us who have lived in another state.and see the big picture)"... What credibility can you have when now you say you live in S. Fla.? Typical of UCI students contradicting themselves due to poor knowledge of facts‼ Don't teach me kid‼
martivive 2 years ago
I lived in NY for 24 yrs not counting 3 yrs in Army in combat MOS which is 3 yrs more than any of the fascist ,neocon ,hypocrite mostly corrupt S.Florida Cuban politicians you adore have ever served.
I moved here 2 yrs ago . I know your to brainwashed ,to much of a TYPICAL Miami Cuban to dare question or take a good objective look at the Cuban juntas failed policy towards Cuba or the Cuban do nothing political sewage waste you all continue to reelect. If you consider 30 yrs a "Mijo" than so be.
ArizonaMtKingsnake 2 years ago
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The Murderers are in MIAMI - TERRORISTS like Luis Posada Carriles ("South America's Bin Laden" who blew up Cubana Flight 455 in 1976), Orlando Bosch (his partner in crime), Felix Rodriguez (point man for Oliver North in Iran/Contra, trained central American death squads, ordered execution of Che Guevara), Alpha 66, Brigade 2506, etc -- Go to Versailles restaurant in Miami where these gusano assassins will be sitting at the best table.
4Barbudos 3 years ago
if he cant cut this crazy embargo then he cant do shit
loko5555 3 years ago
Your White hood and robe are pressed and ready for you Mr. Wolf. Please don't forget to burn your cross on the way out.
mcaloca 3 years ago
Great pain???? LOL Spare me!! Cubans are the leeches that have had it better than most latins in the US. Bunch of whiners can't get the 1 million Cuban boat owners in Hialeah to join together and revolt against the Cuban government, instead sit 90 miles away, collect government help and find the time to piss and moan about how bad they have it. Do us all a favor and go back to Cuba and actually do something about regaining your island. LOL and you say Puertoricans are lazy lol.
mcaloca 3 years ago
Saying "Yes we can" isnt going to make any changes. I hope Pres Obama is true to the masses who voted for him. He can begin with FBI investigations on how Black law abiding men are treated with contempt and disrespect by police like in S.Florida while Cuban politicians do nothing about it. We need to stop invading the whole world and clean up our own corrupt, messy house. I can't think of a single Cuban politician in S.Florida worth a damn and I am Cuban. Vote out the CubanKuKluxKlan
ArizonaMtKingsnake 3 years ago 2
Bullshit. Cuban-Americans use their political power just like any other group. America observes an embargo because America had its assets stolen. We did not trade with China for more than 30 years UNTIL China settled on the expropriations. Learn some history, pal.
eaglephin 3 years ago
Sucessful Cuban x-pats and lobbiest bombard every party with contributions to make sure the American dollar does not land in Cuba. This is corruption and not the poular American opinion. WE are the only westernized nation to observe the embargo. Trading with China is a double standard and is crippling our economy. Cuba does not suppose that threat. If nothing else, travel should be uplifted. We already have suppliers that have exclusions such as "a" beef company. Monopoly. Politics are stupid.
oldphoque 3 years ago
The embargo is wrong and has caused economic problems for Cuba for a very long time.
We should trade with them. Be friends with them. This will boost their economy and the Cuban way of life by allowing FREEDOM to trade as Cubans and Americans see fit.
NOT what our government bureaucrats see fit.
ryanthomastew 3 years ago 10
Wrong.
eaglephin 3 years ago
My president Obama is right!!!! if you don't like his ways them get out of here!!!
aliyvonne 3 years ago
if you don't like my ways then fuck off. cunt
eaglephin 3 years ago
I am extremely disappointed in Obama for this. The embargo is wrong no matter how you look at it. Because of it, rather than the socialist policies of the gvt, many Cubans are impoverished and their economy is poor. PUNISHING A NATION'S PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE DIRECTION OF THEIR GOVERNMENT IS WRONG. But, if you are one who thinks the Cuban gvt is evil, ending the embargo will expose the Cuban people to U.S culture, and if they so choose, will seek to be more capitalist.
emu5088 3 years ago
I would recommend you checking out Senator Mel Martinez's speech on why ending the embargo right now is not recommended. Look, Cubans are not allowed to interact with tourist. They even have special tourist only areas. For decades there have been Spanish, Italian, British and Canadian tourists on the island and it has not changed a thing. What Cubans want, is for the US Government to end the travel restrictions, so they themselves can speed up the change.
richi1173 3 years ago
The problem is political contributions by Caba`s x-pats and established relocated businesses. Altadis, Sweedish Match, general Cigar. Some examples. These companies contribute to ALL parties to insure the embargo is not lifted. Then there is the legality of the taken real estate and businesses. Nobody wants this legal mess during their administration. As wrong as it is, it is all about big business and lawyers. Not popular opinion or what is right. Dealing with China is a huge double standard!
oldphoque 3 years ago
Yeah that's overtly evident but whats your point?
richi1173 3 years ago
As a fellow cuban I think that Obama is a flip flopping jack off..... No cubans will forget the bullshit from the past democratic presidents and as a floridan I think he will not get the Cuban vote in miami or for that matter across the nation.
Cubanprep06 3 years ago
Both candidates are assholes and flip-flop, it's a moot point.
lboygrace 3 years ago
Now his pro-cuban embargo? Wow, now you can see he doesn't care about the cuban people suffering horrible economic problems due to the embargo... I just lost my respect for Obama...
metallatin 3 years ago
Don't you think that Cuba's economic problems come from the same Marxist policies that have failed in every other country that have attempted them?
eaglephin 3 years ago
So we should add to it?
The people are getting penalized for the strong Castro regime not the administration we oppose.
EvoLar 3 years ago
We shouldn't recognize an illegitimate regime that stole from America and that abuses its own people. We shouldn't assume that the dictatorship is going to let any of the benefits of trade with the U.S. trickle down to the people. It hasn't in the past. The rest of the world trades with Cuba.
eaglephin 3 years ago
So you are taking a moral stance?
EvoLar 3 years ago
Yes, I am.
eaglephin 3 years ago
The embargo was initially installed in order to pressure the socialist Castro govt to become more democratic and capitalist. With the change from Fidel to Raul, wages are now not egalaterian, the free market system is slowly being conceived and therefore, the embargo is no longer necessary. Btw Castro never 'stole' from the Americas. There was a time when the USA had its revolution too.
blah148 3 years ago
Wrong Jackass. The embargo was put in place as a punitive measure after Cuba expropriated $1.8 billion in U.S. business assets. Cuba has no free market system. And those egalitarian wages have driven 2 million to leave the country. Get an education douchebag.
eaglephin 3 years ago
Actually it is 1.1 million, not 2 million. And what about the business assets the UK lost during the American revolution? They don't matter?
Perhaps you should get an education... douchebag.
Aller90 3 years ago 6
Wrong fuckface. What British assets would those be? The ones owned by American born british citizens? You're an idiot.
eaglephin 3 years ago
Obama is the prime example of the politician who tells crowds what they want to hear. Down with Obama!
Poodog1088 3 years ago
He said "Liberty" in spanish. He said he'd lift the embargo which would result in a change in Cuba. That's not a flip flop. Yet, he's another Ronald Regan. Trust me my friend, neither of the two leading candidates are worth your vote, yet 3rd parties get no media.
esiosan 3 years ago 2
He says Libertad as if a slogan was going to make Cuban-Americans forget the many betrayals by Democrat presidents. As for the candidates, I'm not happy with either one either but no way I'm going to vote for a pinko like Barack Hussein Obama.
eaglephin 3 years ago
mmmm... he said politicians tell cubans in Fla, who hate Castro, what pleases them to hear but no action. It's what Obama said. And he said he'd lift the embargo in Cuba, and attempt to restore relations with Fidel's regime. How's that a flip flop?
esiosan 3 years ago
He says in the first clip back when nobody knew who he was that he'd lift the embargo. In the second clip addressing a Cuban-American crowd in Little Havana he says he wouldn't lift the embargo. That equals flip flop on the definitive issue with regards to Cuba policy.
eaglephin 3 years ago
Obama and his supporters are pathetic.
bennyh12345 3 years ago
Neocon to me means EXTREME right wing and that is much of the Cuban voters. I doubt that Cubans voted 20% for Carter if you want to say 20% of the South Florida vote went to Carter thats fine but it came from NON Cubans by the way Carter sucked but my point is Miami Cubans dont leave the Rep party even to vote out corrupt politicians. The die hard blind loyalty the Cubans here have for ANY Rep has given some of the most corrupt reps in America a job for life.
SnowflakeMoray 3 years ago
I tried to send you a message with a link because youtube won't let me post a link in the comments but you're blocking messages from non-friends.
Reagan got 80% of the Cuban vote in 1980. Maybe you don't really realize this but 80% is a huge majority. You seem to think Obama ggetting 20% is a big deal. I'm telling you it's terrible for him. Other Democratic candidates have gotten as much as 35% of the Cuban vote.
eaglephin 3 years ago
As a Cuban and Obama supporter I feel I should tell you that you are underestimating the change that is occuring in the Cuban-American community. Having Obama at CANF's Cuban Indep. Day Luncheon is just one example. The generation of loyal republicans is growing older while younger Cuban voters and more recent arrivals have shown increased support for the Democrats. The fact that for the first time the Diaz-Balarts have realistic opponents is a big deal.
tcguy999 3 years ago
The Miami Herald has been talking about that generational shift for 25 years and it hasn't materialized yet. Obama is polling 21% of Cuban-Americans. Is that the shift you are talking about?
Come back here on Nov. % and we'll see who is roght,
eaglephin 3 years ago
I will come back in Nov, but also remember it's not just about Obama. You must also consider Mario Diaz-Balart vs Joe Garcia and Lincoln Diaz-Balart vs Raul Martinez. Remember that most Cuban voters are older exiles as newer arrivals are not citizens or politically apathetic and my generation simply does not vote.
tcguy999 3 years ago
Neither Joe Garcia nor Raul Martinez will win in November. Take it to the bank.
eaglephin 3 years ago
Even if they don't win - if they get more than 40% of the vote each that would be something quiet new in this community. That unknown Democrat in 2006 got 44% against Lincoln - I'm sure Raul will do better than that.
tcguy999 3 years ago
Raul was the very popular mayor of a city almost entirely contained within the district. A city that's 90% Hispanic, most of it Cuban. And still according to Democratic pollster Bendixen he's losing the Cuban vote by 2-1. If Raul gets close to Lincoln it won't be because of Cuban support. And Joe Garcia is doing even worse with Cubans.
eaglephin 3 years ago
The unknown democrat ran against Mario not Lincoln. He got 41.5% of the vote in 2006 in a district that didn't exist before 2002. The district was at the time 39.8 Republican and 33.1% Democratic. A 17-point spread is not easy to overcome and Joe Garcia, even with all the money he has raised is a very divisive figure among Cuban-Americans. Most rightly see him as they guy that destroyed CANF.
eaglephin 3 years ago
And you're wrong about Rubio not representing the younger generation. Do a search for Obama's speech to CANF and take a look at how many people have viewed it then look at the video for Rubio's speech and look at how many people have viewed it.
But you won't be able to argue with the numbers in November. Have fun.
eaglephin 3 years ago
Well, most of the people I've grown up around are young Cuban-Americans and I'm telling you you're in denial. I am the president of the CASA at my university and only one or two of our CASA members are supporting McCain in this election.
tcguy999 3 years ago
What you are saying, the Miami Herald has been saying for 25 years. It's just not true. Your anecdotes are not backed up by any data. FIU has been conducting a poll of Cuban-Americans for 15 years and the levels of party affiliation have remained flat for that entire time. 2/3 of Cuban Americans are Republican with the remaining third split between Dems and independents.
Read my pajamas media article. The numbers are black and white.
eaglephin 3 years ago
By the way that's not what necon means. You may want to look such things up before you refer to them.
eaglephin 3 years ago
... (continue) For how much longer do you think the same people can keep getting elected in South Florida with the same Cuba rhetoric?
tcguy999 3 years ago
I don't know if it is right to call it a flip flop if the comments are years apart. True he changed his mind...but not in three seconds like McCain. I would be disappointed if a candidate NEVER changed their mind. Obama is NOT perfect but he is a lot better than McCain or Hiliary.
AtheistrEvolutionist 3 years ago
Obama voted today to give Bush what he wanted as far as immunity from spying lawsuits . He lost my vote today and tired of his flip flop bs he is another Pelosi. Will go independent
SnowflakeMoray 3 years ago
"Under this compromise legislation, an important tool in the fight against terrorism will continue, but the President's illegal program of warrantless surveillance will be over."-Obama in regards to the legislation you mentioned.
If you also look at the votes he voted for Specter's amendment the goal of which was to prevent immunity if the spying that was done was unconstitutional. I hope this helped let me know if you think I am wrong.
AtheistrEvolutionist 3 years ago
The difference isn't the three years. It's the context and the audience. When you are running for Senate in a state with handful of Cuban-Americans it make sense to come out against the embargo and hold the party line on the issue. When you are running for president and need to win a state Al Gore lost by less than 600 votes because of Elian Gonzalez you tend to get religion real quick (if you'll pardon the pun since you're an atheist).
eaglephin 3 years ago
No worries about the religion pun it was rather funny actually. I see your point and it is no doubt valid. There was still a ~three year gap though right? I suppose the real thing to do is to ask him now that the votes no longer matter. I don't know if that has been done but it would settle the issue.
AtheistrEvolutionist 3 years ago
The election is in November. Cuban-Americans make up about 10% of the vote in Florida, a swing state that Gore lost to Bush by less than 600 votes. It still matters. If Al Gore had gotten the same percentage (35%) of the Cuban vote that Clinton got in 1996 (before the Elian saga) he would have won the presidency. Instead he got 20% (Jimmy Carter level) and lost. Obama wants Cuban votes and thinks his modified "hard line" stance on Cuba will make Cubans forget why they are Republicans.
eaglephin 3 years ago
Well I suppose we will have to ask him after the election. Just a thought though *if* Obama changed his stance just to get the votes. *If* he follows through with his new stance wouldn't he be doing exactly what a politician is supposed to do? Politicians pick a side on a topic are voted on accordingly and then if elected they represent the will of the people who elected them. So wouldn't that make him the perfect politician? Just a thought. All politicains are guilty of the same...right?
AtheistrEvolutionist 3 years ago
Look, I'm Reaganite conservative Republican. I believe in an ideology that is distinct and separate from Obama's. What pisses me off about him is his transparent play to attempt to woo Cuban voters. I blog at something called Babalu and I could write a hundred thousand words on this. But suffice it to say Cubans aren't buying his schtick. A poll just released by a DEMOCRATIC pollster has Obama currently getting 21% of the Cuban vote in South Florida. I'll leave it at that.
eaglephin 3 years ago
Fair enough. Like I said "voted on accordingly". If people don't trust you they won't vote for you. That is why staying on topic pays. That is not to say that a Politian shouldn't be allowed to change their mind. They should be able to clearly explain why though. Well this has been good discussion have a nice day.
AtheistrEvolutionist 3 years ago
One of the reasons I got turned off to Huckabee early on was because as Governor of Arkansas he wrote a letter to Bush asking to end the embargo so his rice farmers would have another export market. Then running for president he came to Miami and was for the embargo. It was transparent. I want a candidate that believes what I believe not a candidate that tells me he believes what I believe. Huckabee even said that when he was gov. he didn't have the country's best interests in mind just Ark
eaglephin 3 years ago
Yeah I wish they could just be honest as well. The problem is that politics work as a natural selection (if you will pardon the pun) that selects for the dishonest. Most people are not willing to do the research and take the politicians at face value. So only the most dishonest survive. I will *never* see a politician that supports all of my views in my lifetime. I can vote for the one that is the closest. BTW I didn't like Huckabee because of his constitutional remarks for obvious reasons.
AtheistrEvolutionist 3 years ago
Wow 21% of the Cuban vote thats GREAT you know we are die hard NEOCONS. Not even moderate Reps but neocons. I am Cuban I think I am only Cuban here who will NOT be voting Rep ESP THe corrupt politicians here I plan to vote anyone who runs against them. I will NOT vote McBush. The chances of God himself getting the Miami Cuban vote unless he runs as a Rep are slim to none so dont act like its shocking that he is only getting 21% of Cuban vote
SnowflakeMoray 3 years ago
First of all do you know what a neocon is? I mean I know you know it's a label that libs like to throw around to disparage many Republicans but do you know what it is? Cubans have been largely conservative Republican voters since the 70s and 80s, well before anyone had uttered the word neocon. And to put Obama's 21% into historical perspective, Jimmy Carter got about 20% of the Cuban vote in 1980. It's not good. Clinton got 35% in 1996 (pre Elian).
eaglephin 3 years ago
Clinton got 35% as a well-liked incumbent with an economy without serious problems. The comparision with Obama seems a bit unfair as he is black (not to say we as a community are racist - that would be wrong, bit there are certain racial tensions in Miami) and he is not a not very well known candidate for most Cubans.
What percentage of the Cuban vote did Clinton get in 1992?
tcguy999 3 years ago
He got 20% in 1992. If you want to know what's what do a google search for Pajamas Media. When you get to the site, do a search for Cuban generational shift and you will see an article I wrote about this.
Also here at youtube do a search for Marco Rubio CANF. Rubio the Republican House Speaker of Florida spoke before Obama at the same event. Judge for yourself who "won".
eaglephin 3 years ago
By the way what you say is exactly right which is why Clinton's "high" numbers among Cuban-Americans in 1996 were an anomaly. This group has consistently gone 80/20 in favor of Republicans. And it's not just about Cuba. Talk about old-fashioned rhetoric, Cubans have been hearing promises of social justice and other Marxist utopian dreams for better than 55 years. And where did it get them? Cubans reject the soft socialism that Obama is selling.
eaglephin 3 years ago
There is a lot of that left-wing phobia among older Cuban voters. Do doubt about that. Yet this "soft socialism" as you call it might have more support than you might imagine. Among Cubans who grew up in post-1959 Cuba you will find strong support for free healthcare and free education - things they had come use to in Cuba even though they oppose the totalitarian nature of the regime and the economic system.
tcguy999 3 years ago
Bullshit.
eaglephin 3 years ago
Couldn't you take SMALLER segments of his statements?
I dare you to post the full speeches in which he makes the two statements you isolated. If it still looks like he flip flopped, I'll send you $1000, if not, you send it to me. Deal?
politicalfarce 3 years ago
Here's my response to Mr. Smartass above in several parts. I was trying to make a political ad so it was supposed to be concise. The speeches I drew the material from are all on Youtube. Search for "Barack Obama on the Cuban Embargo" and "Barack Obama: Cuba Policy"
eaglephin 3 years ago
The first video I reference in the comment above was taken in 2004 and he is clearly against the embargo.
"I think it's time for us to end the embargo on Cuba...
The Cuban embargo has failed to provide the source of rising standards of living and has squeezed the innocents in Cuba and utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro who has now been in there since I was born so it's time for us to acknowledge that that particular policy has failed."
eaglephin 3 years ago
In the second video which was taken in 2007 while addressing a largely Cuban-American crowd at the Miami-Dade Auditorium he says he'd lift travel and remittance restrictions for Cuban-Americans only but...
2007
"As president, I'm not going to take off the embargo. It's an important inducement for change because we know Castro's death will not automatically guarantee freedom."
eaglephin 3 years ago
So the embargo went from being an "utterly failed" policy that should be ended to "an inducement for change" that he would not remove as president.
That's a flip-flop jerky, no matter how you splice it.
I sent you my name and address so you can send me the grand. I won't be holding my breath because liberal liars are a dime a dozen.
eaglephin 3 years ago
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He is starting to show that he isnt who I thought he was I dont want another Nancy Pelosi who saids one thing yet votes with GOP. I am starting to look at Independents now he is saying no time table about leaving Iraq and perhaps Bushs spying might be needed. I wont throw my vote away . I supported him completely and sent him money now I am not so sure .
SnowflakeMoray 3 years ago
BO is just another politician who says whatever it takes to get elected.
So much for change!
This is just one more convinient lie (NAFTA, single payer, Iran dangerous or not, the list goes on...
frankclau 3 years ago
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Obama has SO much to learn.
Why does NELSON MANDELA consider Fidel a hero?
Because it was Cuban troops, under the BRILLIANT military direction
of Fidel Castro that broke the back of the fascist apartheid regime
that was overextended in a proxy war in Angola.
CUBAN blood was shed, so that Africa could be free and apartheid
would end forever.
Is that a WAR CRIME OBAMA?
Listen to what NELSON MANDELA says about Cuba.
Then you might learn something, you weirdo!
mdubuque 3 years ago
hillary wants obama assassinated-no one cares if he flip flops.
ron paul 08!!
jastheswift2 3 years ago
fuck you!
merhasdabest 3 years ago
i love you too.
eaglephin 3 years ago
We love to hear the whole sentence Obama is saying, not pieces that u put together.
merhasdabest 3 years ago
you can find the full clips on youtube.
eaglephin 3 years ago