If you read the book one heart beat away by Mark Cahill it also states about evolution being more religion then fact. For instance where are the fossils of the species inbetween humans and something else. How is it that a bull that has a strong functioning heart survive with a weaker heart. How is it that a gieraffe could survive a lion attack without all the things it has today. God created the animals and us how he intended us to be no evolution involved. That is how great my God is!
12But above all, my brothers, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or by any other oath, but let your “yes” be yes and your “no” be no, so that you may not fall under condemnation. James 5:12
@mlydick, If Evolution is true, which it is not the teaching of Christ is, how can evolution explain feelings? The so called evolution you speak of is a belief that can not be proven true. adaptive variation is more what can be proven. Sure we can adapt to our surroundings but we can not replicate all the data required to explain the trillions of cells that are full of data. This data has NEVER been proven in science because it is impossible too recreate it. Now i do not hate you i love you like
Non of us here on this web site were there when the earth was created or started. But with the bible and "facts" that are proven in science as legitimate literature from people that were actually there and have seen Jesus do and the miracles that he was allowed by God to create. That in itself is enough to at least consider opening your heart towards God, so that you can actually experience for yourself what allows us as Christians to feel our passion and love for Jesus Christ!!!
you will never receive or feel Jesus in your heart if your not open to receive. Like a smoker or alcoholic, you will never quit because of someone else. You will quit when you are fully willing and ready to accept a change in your life style.
This is revolting. If you really look at life this way then you desire to be a slave, and are happy of your chains. It really is sickening to see people abject themselves this way.
@rleeermy i feel like if you knew the peace and joy that God brings into our lives, you wouldn't be saying that. Just this afternoon, I was blessed to have peaceful fellowship with two sisters. I hope you will be blessed with this happiness of knowing God.
@rleeermy I think there's freedom in it. I know it may not look like it. If I were you I would think it is like unnecessarily putting yourself under the rule of someone else. I understand that. I believe that this God wants the very best for us, and that very best is different than that which we would have for ourselves.
@rleeermy Why? We are all slaves to something. We are a slave to our habits, addictions, being loved, the trends of the world, etc. If we are slaves anyways, we might as well be slaves to that which brings eternal lie and salvation!
@waynefeller We are all free beings facing infinite possibilities. If you are a willing slave, in any sense that is sick and wrong. The world view you have is actually retarding our progress as a species.
@rleeermy You talk of my worldview, and yet you know nothing of me but a single response to one comment.
Were I to judge you the same way, I would say you are incapable of arguing, and are only an expert in inflammatory speech. But I am sure you are much more than that! That is what is truly retarding this species: snap judgements and stereotyping; assumptions are killing us.
@rleeermy You say we are free beings with infinite possibilities and that being a willing slave is "sick and wrong". Then try this little experiment: stop breathing. Choose to live, but stop breathing.
@waynefeller I judge your world view because you just said yourself that you were a slave. I'm sorry but when I'm confronted with someone that desires to be owned and then begs for mercy from their master, I'm hit with a wave of nausea.
@rleeermy But that is only a portion. I understand your apprehension to the word slave. But bear in mind that the word does not mean being owned, so much as being dominion to something. This is also how it is meant in the bible. We are all under the dominion of something. We are controlled by our needs, our wants, our government, etc. As distasteful as this word may be under its current interpretation, it is still accurate to our current state, with our without God.
@rleeermy Think about it. If you are truly free, truly capable of inifinite possibilities, truly under the dominion or control of nothing, then you could choose to stop breathing, but still live. But you can't. Why? Because we are all enslaved to something. Maslov teaches as much in his hierarchy of needs.
@waynefeller That gets you absolutely nowhere. I'm free to act in any way I am capable. I can't be "free" to suspend the natural laws of the universe. I don't have the "freedom" to live forever. I'm just a primate, my options are limited by my circumstances.
@rleeermy And that is my point. We do not have infinite possibilities. We are limited by our circumstances. You have just shown the captivity, the slavery that all mankind faces. And that means that we are enslaved by things beyond our control, slaves to the limits of the universe, if you will. So why not accept slavery or dominion by the one thing that can truly free us from the limitations of the world? Why not accept the grace and love that God offers?
@waynefeller To just be alive is such a wondrous thing. This life is not captivity. If you want to insist that we are slaves to gravity you can. It holds me to the Earth but I certainly wouldn't say I'm a slave to it. You say I should accept god's grace when it comes from a grotesque human sacrifice. There is no salvation but that's ok because there is no need for it.
@rleeermy Again, the word "slave" would dictate that you are a slave to gravity, since it controls and limits your actions. Now the salvation: Are you a vegan?
@rleeermy By the way, I agree. Life is a wondrous thing! It is a gift from a God who loved us enough to create us, and gives us the free will to accept or reject Him.
@rleeermy LOL! I love your misuse of inflammatory terms. By the most base etymological definitions, the Christian God is not a sky God. Odin, Zeus, Apollo, et al, these are sky gods. Most monotheistic systems are not led by sky gods, but by creation gods. And God, by His own word is a god of creation.
@rleeermy You have hit on such an important point: why do we serve God? Do we do it out of fear of eternal torture (which is not what the bible teaches), or do we do it out of love? If we serve God out of fear, then our obedience is in vain. God only wants those who serve him out of LOVE, only want those of us who take that love to the next leve, and love our fellow man. You should check out I John 4.
@waynefeller The preachings of your cult are a direct threat to civilization. The bible is only a collection of the mad ravings of violent desert tribes from the bronze age. Somehow you are impressed by what those stupefied, primitive people wrote down and I would find that hilarious if it wasn't so pitiful.
@rleeermy Your post reeks of arrogance. I don't say that to insult you, I say that because arrogance is dangerous. It was Custer's arrogance that caused his defeat. It was Rome's arrogance that led to their downfall. It was Vinnie Jones' arrogance that made him think he could act! You speak of people you have never met as "stupified, primitive". You laugh because I believe the words of the Bible. And yet...
@rleeermy and yet... I don't laugh at you. I don't mock you. I show you respect. Even though all of your arguments were easily refuted, I don't treat you poorly. Do you know why? Because the only way that things like violence, world wars, and hate crimes will end is if we stop acting all high and mighty towards those we disagree with. When we start being open-minded, and listening with a desire for only the truth, only then will this world see true change.
@waynefeller I can't respect any position of faith because all that says about you is that you will accept anything, and even submit yourself, without a shred of evidence. I respect an individual person but I can't respect such nonsensical, blind belief. According to your holy book even jesus told his followers that they should expect to be ridiculed and mocked for their beliefs.
@rleeermy I'm cool with being mocked. I merely pointed it out to show that you are being close minded. As for accepting anything, that is nonsense. You have not met every Christian, nor do you know how and why they came to follow Christ. You are making assumptions. That is what is causing society to truly crumble: close-minded arrogance...
@rleeermy As for your arguments, they only work if God doesn't exist. Their "ravings" are only mad if God never was. Their being stupid and primitive? It's only true if God didn't speak to them. As for the violence? Every society in every age is violent. Even the Victorians killed hundred of Irish and Indians in an attempt to "civilise" the world. Face it brother, unless you can prove there is no God, your words are meaningless.
@waynefeller I watch hours of sermons and all the leading christian apoligists. I've read most of the bible and all it has to offer is superstition and totalitarianism. The christian mythology can not be believed by a thinking person. There has never been any kind of revelation from your terrible father-figure parody of a god. Of course I could never prove with certainty that there is no god. I don't have to. I'm just saying that there is no evidence of it and your beliefs are plainly false.
@PlatoXXII I believe that we are all evolved primates. We have been struggling for centuries to advance our knowledge in the sciences of medicine, biology, astronomy, and yes, even morality. We need to look for what is true. Faith based claims get us no where.
@rleeermy you can believe whatever you want. Scientologists believe that we are aliens, and that when we die we go to the Mother Ship waiting on the other side of the universe. Belief in a theory (macro-evolution) is just that, a belief. Stating that you know "what is true" assumes that you are eternal and have supernatural knowledge. It is what apologists call "ultimate knowledge". Do you possess that?
@mlydick Evolution is a fact. I don't need any faith to believe in it because all the evidence supports it. I never claimed to have any kind of "ultimate knowledge". I said that we need to seek truth and not take things on faith. Brilliant people much smarter then myself have dedicated their lives to science so that we may better understand the cosmos and how we fit into it all. If you shackle your mind with this bronze age wickedness then you choose a life of backwards superstition and fear.
@rleeermy It's insane to me, a degreed Mechanical Engineer, how blind you are to the obvious fact that evidence does not support it. Moreover, there is massive disagreement within the scientific community surrounding the pinnacle supports of your doctrine. 50 years later - Miller's experiment is proven false. Micro-biologists denounce evolution based on Darwin's own suppositions of irreducible complexity. The tree of life, felled by the axe of DNA sequencing and the Cambrian explosion. Sad.
@mlydick Well as a high-school graduate it doesn't pain me at all to say that your formal education far exceeds my own. Although I can say, with certainty, that if you don't believe in evolution then reason and objectivity obviously mean nothing to you. You are promoting the fanatical doctrine of a cult that celebrates a grotesque human sacrifice.
@rleeermy it's sad really how you choose to, in light of objective reasoning - turn away and repeat things - louder each time - and feel as though the repetition makes you right. Actually - the repetition of a falsity is the hallmark of a cult. As so far as what you believe - this is a list of men and women who spend every minute of their life studying what you profess to be scientifically solid -search "dissentfromdarwin" on google Imagine - a list of 500 scientists with PhD's who say - No!
@mlydick You won't accept the truth no matter how much evidence piles up against your side. You think that you already have all the answers from some divine revelation. Even though the nonsense creation myth has actually been proven to not have occurred nothing could convince you because you have an unshakable faith. Hopefully someday you will develop at least a shred of intellectual integrity.
@rleeermy Google "case for a creator" and watch the video. I dare you to watch it and then reply....again...you haven't commented on any of the dissenting evidence I have presented...only told me how dumb I am. I've provided twelve arguments against your belief without so much as a single rebuttal...only that I'm stupid. You win....
@rleeermy Evolution is actually not science. The Big Bang lines up more with the Genesis account than with evolution. In fact, the Big Bang leaves evolution without an answer. We all share the same scientific evidence. The Bible is the only book that has told scientific facts years before they were discovered. Not only that, but almost every major scientist was a Christian. Einstein even said, "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind."
@rleeermy Evolution is, in fact, a religion in itself that ignores scientific evidence. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and the Theory of General Relativity is enough to dig a grave for evolution. If you look at statistics, you will see a drop in people who believe in evolution within the scientific community. Not only that, but biological limitiations would prevent macroevolution. Even Charles Darwin doubted his own theory and professed some faith in God.
@rleeermy ...Christianity does take faith to believe!! but what in life isn't faith based??...it takes faith to sit in a chair (you have to have faith that it will hold u up) and faith each time u drive ur car, ect... And there is evidance of God all around...if u actually know anything about science and how everything works together perfectly there is no way u could believe that everything just came to be by chance; it had to have a designer with a plan! WHat do u believe?
@bunger87 I don't respect any faith-based claim. I only believe something if it has evidence to back it up. Faith has nothing to do with me sitting in a chair. The chair has been proven to hold my body weight. Don't even try to bring science into this. The universe is in far from a perfect design, or any design at all. You have already said that you are believing because of faith, which is a surrender of reason. I am an atheist and a materialist.
@BTExposed Why not judge the message against the bible, rather than the actions of a man that this man is not? Didn't Jesus himself dine with the tax collectors and prostitutes?
@coffeepatron To clarify for savedbygrace3307, it is because of our Savior that death is not terrifying. It is because of God that we have a peace in death. We don't fear death because we have a savior. And we were once dead in sin, but because of our savior we are alive again and reborn spiritually.
I can't wait for your return to planet-earth celestial big bother Yashuah!! This is your "fallen little brother" I knew my good big bother Yashuah would defeat that bully "The old serpent Satan". Thank You!
He is all of us. It only makes sense. Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent--God is everything. Satan in the metaphorical sense is necessary otherwise life would be boring. God is immersed in his creation, he IS his creation....You are god, but so am I. : )
@CoffeePatron As believers, God's Spirit is inside us & this makes us His children but, we are not God. "I am God & there is no other; I am God & there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9 To an extent that He is "immersed in His creation" but He is NOT His creation. A mother gives birth to a child, her (& the dad's) DNA flow through that child but the mother isn't the child. Lastly, Satan is real; not because life would be boring but because he tried to fight against God & lost.Check out Rev 12:7-9
@63psalm It also says in Isiah that "I am the Lord God, the creator of good and evil". So when people say satan is responsible they really mean the creator of satan, because everything, EVERYTHING came from God.
@CoffeePatron would you consider that saiah 45:7 makes 2 contrasts. First light is contrasted w/darkness. That makes perfect sense because the 2 ideas are exact opposites. Then the verse contrasts peace w/ evil - "I make peace & create evil." If evil means wickedness, this doesn't make sense. Peace isn't the opposite of wickedness. However, if evil refers to troubles & sorrows as those found in war, it makes perfect sense. The 2nd pair of ideas would then be complete opposites. What do u think?
@63psalm I think that darkness is dependent on light and vice versa. Without light we would not know what darkness is, and so with hot and cold and the rest of it. Both are necessary to existence, and though one may be preferred by the human organism, it doesn't make it any less what it is. I'm afraid I don't get how wickedness isn't the opposite of peace though. Please explain. And I'm not being offensive, I'm curious of all things, including God.
@CoffeePatron Peace refers to a state of being; serene, tranquil &calm. The opposite of peace is anxious, troubled & agitated. Wickedness by defin. is evil by nature & in practice by which the opposite is goodness, pleasantry & decency. I'm trying to think of a comparison..maybe wickedness is to peace the way 'hurricane' is to 'warmth' they aren't opposites but the characteristic of the former can disrupt the nature of the latter. That's the best I can do sorry. I don't find you words offensive
@CoffeePatron if you read my username you should know that I am not perfect. I am saved by grace, not by works. thank God because if we had to earn our salvation, we would all be doomed!
@savedbygrace3307 Who is the "you" you're trying to get saved? You see, that's my only beef with religion, is that they fill your head with all sorts of terrifying things about the afterlife. That is supposed to be the art of government, to scare you about death.
@CoffeePatron nope not trying to scare you, just trying to say for myself that I am not good enough to save myself, that's why I need a savior!! Jesus Christ is my saviour
ther is no sense in continuing to argue with stevenweir76.. he is obiously very stubborn and sticks to waht he believes... which i think is a quality that is admirable... all we can do is pray for him.. god is the only one that can change a heart... and do not b disturbed by letting it go.. god will have his judgement on all who have lived.. keep praying and God bless all <3
@tynaka123 - Don't act like you have some kind of moral superiority over me. You don't. You may take your truth from authority, but the truth is my authority. Go make yourself feel better by praying for someone else who believes your bullshit. Keep me out of your delusional fantasies.
@tynaka123 Word. I just had to see about my brother that's all. He's lost but doesn't realize he is. So because of that I decided to finally end our debate. God Bless you bro for trying though...
@iverson3wha - So God can be amoral because God declares what is moral and yet he is free to break his own rules. Thou shall not kill for one. Guess he fucked that one up, and every time a person goes to hell, is that a success or a failure for your God? Hell, under a benign omnipotent God is logically impossible. So which is it, is your God not omnipotent or is he not benevolent? He's only batting about .300. Not very good for a God.
@stevenweir76 Are you so intellectually foolish to ee that the earth, stars, moon, and sun were not mere accidents of science. But they all Gloriously created along with you by an All Knowing, All Powerful God. Why waste your time debating something that you have to convince yourself day in and day out not to believe. Don't continue to lie to yourself you too can be free from the bondage of sin if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Christ died for you. God is Love!
@iverson3wha - You're way off dude, you seriously need to read my prior comments and quit kidding yourself. Your God concept is a self-reinforced delusion. I see nothing that shows there is a god, nor is one logical. And just because you don't understand astrophysics does not make you an expert on the formation of celestial bodies. 2/3rds of the world doesn't believe your bullshit, wonder why? Because it's bullshit. You have no evidence for anything yet you make proclamations from ignorance.
@stevenweir76 2/3 of the world doesn't believe because they choose like you to remain bound to the concept of reality. Can you explain why there's air that you breathe? You can't see it so how do you know it's air and not something else? Can you explain why the Bible is the oldest book ever written? My God is far from a delusion. My life has been changed completely through His Word and yours can be too. When you hear the voice of God harden not your heart He loves you. why do you resist Him?
@iverson3wha Yes, most people are bound to the concept of reality, the only options are reality and crazy. Yes I can explain why there is air that I breathe, it was formed from nuclear fusion in stars, I can be more descript if you like. The Bible is not the oldest book ever written, you are uneducated if you believe that.
I also don’t wish to change my life through belief but rather study of our natural universe.
@stevenweir76 The Universe never loved anyone. But My God so Loved the world that He gave His only BEGOTTEN SON. I breathe the breath of God in my nostrils and the moment HE takes it I will cease to live, nothing to do with a stars fusion. The Wisdom of God is greater than all of man's knowledge so I may not be very educated in the knowledge of this world. But the knowledge and Wisdon of God makes man's sound so foolish. You've been consumed by the knowledge of man. Love you
@iverson3wha - That's a pretty powerful self- delusion you got there. I just want to know why you believe it. Why not Sikhism or Buddhism or Islam? For what reason do you believe. If your only answer boils down to wishful thinking. Which I think it does, then you are deluding yourself.
It would not matter if you have have love for me. Your God will assure I burn in hell. The concept fails because of its totalitarian nature. Infinite punishment for minor transgressions is a tool of oppression.
@stevenweir76 I believe because I was a sinner in need of a Savior. And Jesus Christ is the only God that did this not Ali, or Buddha or Adali Lama... I don't wish this happened I know this happened because it changed my life and most importantly it changed my Heart. I love you because your my neighbor and the greatest commandment is Love your neighbor as yourself. You don't have to burn in hell and I would never wish that for you or anybody. You choose Christ I'm not oppressed but free.
@stevenweir76 Free from the bodage of sin because of HIS SACRIFICE not my own. He asks that I sacrifice He doesn't demand anything even though He could He gives us free will to choose Him so that the love we share is real and not an obligation. Again I truly appreciate the conversation there's just no convincing me otherwise. My mind is made up that I simply can't live without the love of Christ compelling my lifestyle to be more like His.
@iverson3wha - I also have love for humanity, you don't have to keep telling me that you love me. You love people, I respect that. Now let's figure out what truly makes humanity better, and let's explore this with intellectual integrity and honesty together. We'll go one step at a time. One idea at a time, and explore them fully.
@stevenweir76 I respect you as well. You believe very strongly with the mind God gave you and are very firm in your study. Likewise, my Love for ppl is rooted and grounded in my faith in Jesus Christ! I've explored diff. ways to love and impact humanity and this was the greatest of all and no other came close. Be blessed and I will continue to say I love you because without love my faith is dead.
@iverson3wha - Where you see only good in Christianity, I see problems, lots of them. Preachers in Africa take exorbitant amounts of money to cure children in their tribe of Witchcraft, amazingly usually 50-70 % of a tribe's children are usually witches. This traumatizes the children and it is a lie. People believe God answers prayers, then they blame themselves when bad things happen to loved ones. Mega churches sponge money off of unsuspecting Christians and make oodles of money.
@stevenweir76 I see Christ and a relationship, you see Christianity and a religion. I see Christ love and you see the money ppl make off of the name of Jesus. The heart of man is wicked and so when you look at ppl to try and understand an eternal God you'll always fall short of understanding. He's God all by Hisself and His Truth needs no explaination. Ppl believe because they want and choose to. And when bad things happen they blame God not themselves. It's about His Love not a mega church!
@iverson3wha - I get it. Good things happen, God did it. Bad things happen, humans did it. Even though God supposedly created humans, and tempted them, and killed a lot of them, and commanded atrocities throughout humanity, and can't get a clear cohesive, unifying message through to humanity. It's almost like he's not there!!
You must think you and all humans are completely worthless. It's no wonder you buy in to the church BS that we are all wretched.
@stevenweir76 James 1:14 But every man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust. You sound intelligent and yet you didn't catch that tempted in the Bible sometimes trials and not temptations to sin but test to be made perfect. God killed when ppl refused to submit to His Sovereignty and Just will. If you raised your kids and they became Great in the land and they never called or came to see you and even told everyone they did it on their own wouldn't that bother you?
@iverson3wha - I also don't believe my mind was given to me by God. If there was a benevolent God and he gave everyone their minds we would effectively be responsible for nothing. Which is often how Christians feel when they believe Jesus is an acceptable scapegoat for all of their misgivings and wrong-doings. The idea that a belief will make you free of your transgressions will effectively make you have very little motivation to get better, you will think you are already there.
@stevenweir76 You've been watching ppl and not reading the word of God. The Bible doesn't teach us to use Jesus as a scapegoat. But a Savior who has reconciled us to the Father which is the God Head. Death is the penalty of sin but Jesus took away that penalty when He died and ASKS that we submit ourselves to His will to replace our old ways from sin and unrighteousness to holiness and righteousness.
@iverson3wha - There is nowhere in the Bible that says we have free will. Unless you can find it stated otherwise, why do you believe that? Think of a psychopath with the morality part of the brain damaged. He can't know because of his brain the difference between right and wrong. To hell with him. Literally. But that is the way he was born.
@stevenweir76 Joshua 24 Choose ye this day whom you will serve.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. All meaning you and the psycho. Everyone has an opportunity and God gives us that chance to see and understand that He is the Way, Truth and the Life. Listen to the first thing Francis says. " get a handle on God does what He wants. Period!
@iverson3wha - A psychopath does not have the same opportunity as me to perceive morality, it is not always a choice. Everyone has different knowledge, which also alters the choice. I have seen no god, maybe you have, but I have not been given that opportunity. I hear lots of people talking about it, I just don't see or believe it. If there is a God and it does what it wants, the choice is out of my hands.
@stevenweir76 He is Just. Maybe you missed that the first 20 times I said it. His Love is unconditional. You missed that too. He's God and He is Love therefore in order for us to truly Love Him we must have a choice to choose Him. Period! If you choose God right now it puts you in His hands so in that since it is out of your hands. You hear ppl not the Word of God. Ppl will lead you astray get to know Him for yourself for the last time and read everything I wrote. Scriptures said it all. SMH
@iverson3wha - The lack of unconditional love is exactly why Christianity is disgusting. The love has one condition, and that condition is to abandon all reason, to accept things based on faith. Faith is not a virtue. Faith is either intellectual laziness or dishonesty.
@iverson3wha - This causes humans to not grow, and when we don't grow we stagnate and decay.
You got one thing right though. There is something more powerful than God or religion when you say love, do you perhaps mean hope, but for me it is hope that brings love? And the idea that there will be a judgment day or the world is ending is not going to bring hope. Hope is when we work together and are honest and do the best we can for our fellow humans.
@stevenweir76 This is what made me grow into the Man, Father, and Husband I am today and I wouldn't trade it for the world. For what would it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul. Now wisdom is understanding God is in control and no matter how hard we work together perfection is not obtained but through Christ all things are possible. God Bless and Love ya bro.
@iverson3wha - What I really, really, really want you to think about is why would a person who doesn't believe in God care about love and hope and try to spread that, and follow the thought through a little more and ask yourself. If you suddenly found out your God was a lie, that some other God was the true God, would that change how you behave towards others? I hope not, because if that's true than 2/3rds of the world (at least) are going to hell for lack of faith. Someone must be wrong.
@iverson3wha - For me I take it a step farther, I can love without belief, I can act with logic and reason and still be happy and spread happiness. Beliefs do not have to be supernatural, unprovable things. There is good reason to be happy and spread happiness, and it doesn't require magic. Just good old truth.
@stevenweir76 What I believe is far from magic but it is life and truth. You don't need God to love but you need God to Love unconditionally. You don't need God to be happy, But you need God to experience joy unspeakable. You sound comfortable where you are in life so no need to debate my belief just spread the love that He gave to me freely.
@iverson3wha - I have great moments of joy in my life, personal victories, seeing my child grow. Love, passion, happiness. It's all there. We are happy because we choose to be happy. I have grown into a man, husband and father as well. What makes you think these things are exclusive to believers?
Anything is possible. With or without God. Including the idea that God might not exist.
Your first thought to answer a problem or question is God. Mine is, "Let's find out, let's discover and learn."
@stevenweir76 I said these things helped me. Key " ME" I never said this was only for Christians. Everything I've written is personal experience with God and the word not what I've heard alone but what I've seen and been affected by. Relationship not religion. Faith not a theory. I have a Heavenly Father who is Sovereign and Just in all that He does including those He judges through death. That includes Christians not just sinners. The Bible says He rains on the just and unjust alike.
@iverson3wha - I am not subject to your God, faith is belief without evidence, by definition. This notion may help you somehow, but what you choose is to accept a lie to make yourself happy. I take truth at face value and see where it leads. A life without God is neither bleak nor unhappy, you have been given the wrong impression. There is a deeper meaning IMO when we seek truth at all cost. Even if that cost is the happy belief that we're going to live forever.
@stevenweir76 Going to live forever where? In Heaven right! I thought you would get it after a while. It only took a week or so but you know the onlay to live forever is by the Spirit and not flesh. Wow, you almost made me teary eyed God bless you brother.
@stevenweir76 I've answered all your questions. The only one I didn't was to prove whether Christ excist. Well if you new who I was before Christ and saw me now you would know that Jesus Christ excist! Living forever is a fantasy to the mindset of man but to God it'ssimple. Understand all things are His and you can't make it make since to yourself because you refuse to believe it. So again love you and pray you don't harden your heart when you hear the voice of God!
@iverson3wha - Your life may seem simpler but it is only a detour from reality. But listen, we all want to take pause and stop the merry-go-round sometimes, but you can pretend all you want, it changes nothing. If the only reason that you act with morality is because you believe in hell and heaven, then it isn't really morality at all. You don't make these choices freely, your bias brings you fear. My heart isn't hard, I wear it on my sleeve proverbially speaking, and I try to spread hope.
@stevenweir76 I don't act with morality. I act with holiness. Morality will keep you out of jail but holiness gives you access to the Kingdom of Heaven. Never pretending only living out the life Christ predestined for me. I could choose tomorrow to go back to my old ways as some have but that's no longer an obtion for ME. Because I choose Christ everyday because everyday is a different opportunity to give up or grow up.
@iverson3wha - Wow, I've heard about this kind of crazy before but never spoken to anyone who actually thought they were holier than anyone else. You've got it bad. How would living a life for Christ be any better than just living a life, especially if Christ and everything he said about heaven wasn't true. You think you're holier but then there's a lot of things you believe that you have no proof for.
@stevenweir76 If what I believe in is foolish or contradictory it will come to nothing. So why do you waste so much of you time trying to convince ppl of Christ non-excistance. If it's wrong it will come to nothing. But I realize now you KNOW that it will come to something. That's why your fighting against it the way you do. I just saw you page 4 the first time since we've talked. And I still love you bro.
@iverson3wha - It is because you are being used and many religious people are being used by authorities who claim to do the right thing in the name of a God that no person can see. The actions committed by many religions based upon scripture are deplorable. I seek to eliminate confusion. I do that by saying there may or may not be a god, but that yo-yo with the robes and funny hat doesn't know anything you don't know. I fight religion because people are suffering and tormented by it.
@stevenweir76 I'm not being used by anyone but God. I'm not under any authority but God's. You believe things about me and yet you have no idea. I'm not confused but enlightened by the fact that the Son of God came and died for Me. And guess what? He lives and rains forever more and there aint no preacher in a robe nor an atheist on youtube that can change that. It's not religion for the last time it'a a RELATIONSHIP. Father and Son, Husband and Wife, Adoptive parent to adopted child. READ!
@iverson3wha - I don't have to believe things about you, you're putting your insanity on display. What enlightenment did you receive from a story. What do you know about the universe that I don't know? The answer is nothing, but there's a lot of things you think you know. This is hubris. Everything you spout is unproven claims. I have seen all the other relationships you speak of, but if there is a heavenly father, he's a deadbeat.
@stevenweir76 There isn't a relationship on this Earth that doesn't require sacrifice. Fiction or nonfiction there's no god that does not require sacrifice. This is a natural order that you of all people should understand. You assume way to much when it comes to the life of a Christian. Maybe you used to be one and was caught in the religious aspect and not the Spiritual and/or the Relationship. Christ should only be presented with unconditional Love. Sorry for those who didn't do that. Love you
@iverson3wha - If God created nature then it is God that is responsible for requiring sacrifice.
And no, I have to repeat myself because people are delusional and have thick skulls.
Prove Jesus existed, then prove he performed miracles, then prove that you know him. One step at a time. You keep jumping to the end, and I can't follow, you make too many leaps of faith.
Start with point one, prove he existed. That's all I ask, that shouldn't be difficult for a hardcore Christian like you.
@stevenweir76 Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. And without faith it's impossible to please God so I would be defeating the whole purpose of what I BELIEVE if my focus is solely on proving God's existance. Leaps of Faith is what I live for.Totally dependant on God to do what He promised to do in His Word. I move and He responds because Faith without action is dead so there it is. You practice a lifestyle unconstrained by divine limits. Therefore pleasing your ego cant happen
@iverson3wha - My definition of faith is the same as Mark Twain's. Faith is believing what you know ain't true.
Yes trying to find evidence for God does defeat it. Then if someone like me who respects the scientific method and uses these faculties to the best of my abilities can't see God, and even finds counter-evidence to God and Jesus, what then?
Logic has led me directly away from the concept of God. Humans are never satisfied, you can't "please" your ego either.
@iverson3wha - I go far beyond my own logic. If I didn't I would still be a Christian. I look at the evidence, and even if I don't like it I try to make the best of it.
@stevenweir76 You don't have to bash a religion to get ppl to see the truth. If it's wrong again it will come to nothing. But you were probably one who sucked up to the preacher and followed his every word and not God's. This is and has been going on for years. But trust me this is not the way to get back at those who hurt you because your condeming your own soul. Please don't give up on God. He loves you and I do too. God Bless
@iverson3wha - I have to bash religion because to try to speak about science with the likes of you who doesn't understand it in any way, shape or form, the only thing to do is to demonstrate how wrong you are within the confines of your own belief system. You seem unable to think about things the way I do so I try to understand what you are thinking.
@iverson3wha - And my list goes a lot farther, the stifling of scientific progress because of superstition is one that pisses me off to no extent. If science is the rigorous application of the mind, and it were applied to human happiness and morality then effectively we could be honestly finding answers to problems in the world. Belief, which causes more harm works directly against this, and sadly there are those who thrive in the confusion, some are the cause of it in fact.
@stevenweir76 Belief doesn't cause confusion ppl do. Their lack of true faith and understanding leads them to move without God saying to and making decisions based of impulse and because they go to a church every week blame God for their mistakes and unhappiness. But nothing is further from the truth we are in control of what we do.
@iverson3wha - Belief is a product of the human mind that can't be separated from humans. Why would you state that "Belief doesn't cause confusion ppl do."
I don't believe in sin. Nor should I suffer for the actions of another. God seems to have a lot of misdirected rage.
@stevenweir76 Belieif doesn't cause confusion. Christ dying for my sins is not confusing to me, unless I don't believe it. You don't believe in sin, but yet you live in a country built on laws that reflect the commandments of old. Is killing and stealing ok . Or is it braking the law and likewise sin. You only suffer for your actions. Suffering for Christ sake is an obtion once you believe He died so you wouldn't have to suffer sins penalty but persucution for your Faith.
@iverson3wha - Our laws are not built upon religious laws. If they were then shellfish would be banned, and there would be no laws against drugs. Law if the subject of human morality and societal tolerance, not Biblical standards. And if Jesus died for my sins as you suggest, and it is a sin to reject Jesus, why the big whoop? I don't think you have faith in your own belief. If Jesus did what he said, no-one will go to hell. So just relax and enjoy your life.
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444atzin 3 days ago
five lucky people must have been so overtaken and shaken by the power of God that they accidentally hit dislike.
baggo379 4 days ago
you people frighten me
troy8451 2 weeks ago
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troy8451 2 weeks ago
The last three minutes are powerful!! Be bold!
TanyaBo0412 2 weeks ago
One of the best preachers out there
RasheemH 1 month ago
this guy is blessed is a blessing to me
KAUZMIK 1 month ago
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CHRIS7PRODUCTIONS 1 month ago
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thelarsychannel 2 months ago 4
@thelarsychannel WOW THAT'S AWESOME!!
mrfootballgame 2 months ago 2
If you read the book one heart beat away by Mark Cahill it also states about evolution being more religion then fact. For instance where are the fossils of the species inbetween humans and something else. How is it that a bull that has a strong functioning heart survive with a weaker heart. How is it that a gieraffe could survive a lion attack without all the things it has today. God created the animals and us how he intended us to be no evolution involved. That is how great my God is!
lesstalkmorewalk50 4 months ago
12But above all, my brothers, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or by any other oath, but let your “yes” be yes and your “no” be no, so that you may not fall under condemnation. James 5:12
estheryuak88 6 months ago
@mlydick Christ wants me to love you, and i will be praying that God opens your eyes to the truth.
themarine0397 6 months ago
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themarine0397 6 months ago
@mlydick, If Evolution is true, which it is not the teaching of Christ is, how can evolution explain feelings? The so called evolution you speak of is a belief that can not be proven true. adaptive variation is more what can be proven. Sure we can adapt to our surroundings but we can not replicate all the data required to explain the trillions of cells that are full of data. This data has NEVER been proven in science because it is impossible too recreate it. Now i do not hate you i love you like
themarine0397 6 months ago
why do people dislike this lol?
tubester1234 7 months ago
Non of us here on this web site were there when the earth was created or started. But with the bible and "facts" that are proven in science as legitimate literature from people that were actually there and have seen Jesus do and the miracles that he was allowed by God to create. That in itself is enough to at least consider opening your heart towards God, so that you can actually experience for yourself what allows us as Christians to feel our passion and love for Jesus Christ!!!
brielleschaffer 7 months ago
you will never receive or feel Jesus in your heart if your not open to receive. Like a smoker or alcoholic, you will never quit because of someone else. You will quit when you are fully willing and ready to accept a change in your life style.
brielleschaffer 7 months ago
5 People aren't comfortable with God's Undeniable Sovereignty.
iCoachT 8 months ago
You haven't read the Bible. Don't lie.
burnfuer7 9 months ago
@burnfuer7 I've read enough.
rleeermy 9 months ago
haha after listening to all the podcasts, i didnt picture him to look like this.
DrJ739158 10 months ago 2
This is revolting. If you really look at life this way then you desire to be a slave, and are happy of your chains. It really is sickening to see people abject themselves this way.
rleeermy 11 months ago
@rleeermy i feel like if you knew the peace and joy that God brings into our lives, you wouldn't be saying that. Just this afternoon, I was blessed to have peaceful fellowship with two sisters. I hope you will be blessed with this happiness of knowing God.
Jesus37Almighty 11 months ago
@rleeermy I think there's freedom in it. I know it may not look like it. If I were you I would think it is like unnecessarily putting yourself under the rule of someone else. I understand that. I believe that this God wants the very best for us, and that very best is different than that which we would have for ourselves.
TheLMack 9 months ago
@rleeermy Why? We are all slaves to something. We are a slave to our habits, addictions, being loved, the trends of the world, etc. If we are slaves anyways, we might as well be slaves to that which brings eternal lie and salvation!
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller We are all free beings facing infinite possibilities. If you are a willing slave, in any sense that is sick and wrong. The world view you have is actually retarding our progress as a species.
rleeermy 9 months ago
@rleeermy You talk of my worldview, and yet you know nothing of me but a single response to one comment.
Were I to judge you the same way, I would say you are incapable of arguing, and are only an expert in inflammatory speech. But I am sure you are much more than that! That is what is truly retarding this species: snap judgements and stereotyping; assumptions are killing us.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@rleeermy You say we are free beings with infinite possibilities and that being a willing slave is "sick and wrong". Then try this little experiment: stop breathing. Choose to live, but stop breathing.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller I judge your world view because you just said yourself that you were a slave. I'm sorry but when I'm confronted with someone that desires to be owned and then begs for mercy from their master, I'm hit with a wave of nausea.
rleeermy 9 months ago
@rleeermy But that is only a portion. I understand your apprehension to the word slave. But bear in mind that the word does not mean being owned, so much as being dominion to something. This is also how it is meant in the bible. We are all under the dominion of something. We are controlled by our needs, our wants, our government, etc. As distasteful as this word may be under its current interpretation, it is still accurate to our current state, with our without God.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller Oh and I really don't know what you meant with that breathing stuff.
rleeermy 9 months ago
@rleeermy Think about it. If you are truly free, truly capable of inifinite possibilities, truly under the dominion or control of nothing, then you could choose to stop breathing, but still live. But you can't. Why? Because we are all enslaved to something. Maslov teaches as much in his hierarchy of needs.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller That gets you absolutely nowhere. I'm free to act in any way I am capable. I can't be "free" to suspend the natural laws of the universe. I don't have the "freedom" to live forever. I'm just a primate, my options are limited by my circumstances.
rleeermy 9 months ago
@rleeermy And that is my point. We do not have infinite possibilities. We are limited by our circumstances. You have just shown the captivity, the slavery that all mankind faces. And that means that we are enslaved by things beyond our control, slaves to the limits of the universe, if you will. So why not accept slavery or dominion by the one thing that can truly free us from the limitations of the world? Why not accept the grace and love that God offers?
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller To just be alive is such a wondrous thing. This life is not captivity. If you want to insist that we are slaves to gravity you can. It holds me to the Earth but I certainly wouldn't say I'm a slave to it. You say I should accept god's grace when it comes from a grotesque human sacrifice. There is no salvation but that's ok because there is no need for it.
rleeermy 9 months ago
@rleeermy Again, the word "slave" would dictate that you are a slave to gravity, since it controls and limits your actions. Now the salvation: Are you a vegan?
waynefeller 9 months ago
@rleeermy By the way, I agree. Life is a wondrous thing! It is a gift from a God who loved us enough to create us, and gives us the free will to accept or reject Him.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller Ok if you want to worship your sky god under threat of eternal torture, go right on ahead.
rleeermy 9 months ago
@rleeermy LOL! I love your misuse of inflammatory terms. By the most base etymological definitions, the Christian God is not a sky God. Odin, Zeus, Apollo, et al, these are sky gods. Most monotheistic systems are not led by sky gods, but by creation gods. And God, by His own word is a god of creation.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@rleeermy You have hit on such an important point: why do we serve God? Do we do it out of fear of eternal torture (which is not what the bible teaches), or do we do it out of love? If we serve God out of fear, then our obedience is in vain. God only wants those who serve him out of LOVE, only want those of us who take that love to the next leve, and love our fellow man. You should check out I John 4.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller The preachings of your cult are a direct threat to civilization. The bible is only a collection of the mad ravings of violent desert tribes from the bronze age. Somehow you are impressed by what those stupefied, primitive people wrote down and I would find that hilarious if it wasn't so pitiful.
rleeermy 9 months ago
@rleeermy Your post reeks of arrogance. I don't say that to insult you, I say that because arrogance is dangerous. It was Custer's arrogance that caused his defeat. It was Rome's arrogance that led to their downfall. It was Vinnie Jones' arrogance that made him think he could act! You speak of people you have never met as "stupified, primitive". You laugh because I believe the words of the Bible. And yet...
waynefeller 9 months ago
@rleeermy and yet... I don't laugh at you. I don't mock you. I show you respect. Even though all of your arguments were easily refuted, I don't treat you poorly. Do you know why? Because the only way that things like violence, world wars, and hate crimes will end is if we stop acting all high and mighty towards those we disagree with. When we start being open-minded, and listening with a desire for only the truth, only then will this world see true change.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller I can't respect any position of faith because all that says about you is that you will accept anything, and even submit yourself, without a shred of evidence. I respect an individual person but I can't respect such nonsensical, blind belief. According to your holy book even jesus told his followers that they should expect to be ridiculed and mocked for their beliefs.
rleeermy 9 months ago
@rleeermy I'm cool with being mocked. I merely pointed it out to show that you are being close minded. As for accepting anything, that is nonsense. You have not met every Christian, nor do you know how and why they came to follow Christ. You are making assumptions. That is what is causing society to truly crumble: close-minded arrogance...
waynefeller 9 months ago
@rleeermy As for your arguments, they only work if God doesn't exist. Their "ravings" are only mad if God never was. Their being stupid and primitive? It's only true if God didn't speak to them. As for the violence? Every society in every age is violent. Even the Victorians killed hundred of Irish and Indians in an attempt to "civilise" the world. Face it brother, unless you can prove there is no God, your words are meaningless.
waynefeller 9 months ago
@waynefeller I watch hours of sermons and all the leading christian apoligists. I've read most of the bible and all it has to offer is superstition and totalitarianism. The christian mythology can not be believed by a thinking person. There has never been any kind of revelation from your terrible father-figure parody of a god. Of course I could never prove with certainty that there is no god. I don't have to. I'm just saying that there is no evidence of it and your beliefs are plainly false.
rleeermy 9 months ago
@rleeermy and what do you believe in?
PlatoXXII 8 months ago
@PlatoXXII I believe that we are all evolved primates. We have been struggling for centuries to advance our knowledge in the sciences of medicine, biology, astronomy, and yes, even morality. We need to look for what is true. Faith based claims get us no where.
rleeermy 8 months ago
@rleeermy you can believe whatever you want. Scientologists believe that we are aliens, and that when we die we go to the Mother Ship waiting on the other side of the universe. Belief in a theory (macro-evolution) is just that, a belief. Stating that you know "what is true" assumes that you are eternal and have supernatural knowledge. It is what apologists call "ultimate knowledge". Do you possess that?
mlydick 6 months ago
@mlydick Evolution is a fact. I don't need any faith to believe in it because all the evidence supports it. I never claimed to have any kind of "ultimate knowledge". I said that we need to seek truth and not take things on faith. Brilliant people much smarter then myself have dedicated their lives to science so that we may better understand the cosmos and how we fit into it all. If you shackle your mind with this bronze age wickedness then you choose a life of backwards superstition and fear.
rleeermy 6 months ago
@rleeermy It's insane to me, a degreed Mechanical Engineer, how blind you are to the obvious fact that evidence does not support it. Moreover, there is massive disagreement within the scientific community surrounding the pinnacle supports of your doctrine. 50 years later - Miller's experiment is proven false. Micro-biologists denounce evolution based on Darwin's own suppositions of irreducible complexity. The tree of life, felled by the axe of DNA sequencing and the Cambrian explosion. Sad.
mlydick 6 months ago
@mlydick Well as a high-school graduate it doesn't pain me at all to say that your formal education far exceeds my own. Although I can say, with certainty, that if you don't believe in evolution then reason and objectivity obviously mean nothing to you. You are promoting the fanatical doctrine of a cult that celebrates a grotesque human sacrifice.
rleeermy 6 months ago
@rleeermy it's sad really how you choose to, in light of objective reasoning - turn away and repeat things - louder each time - and feel as though the repetition makes you right. Actually - the repetition of a falsity is the hallmark of a cult. As so far as what you believe - this is a list of men and women who spend every minute of their life studying what you profess to be scientifically solid -search "dissentfromdarwin" on google Imagine - a list of 500 scientists with PhD's who say - No!
mlydick 6 months ago
@mlydick You won't accept the truth no matter how much evidence piles up against your side. You think that you already have all the answers from some divine revelation. Even though the nonsense creation myth has actually been proven to not have occurred nothing could convince you because you have an unshakable faith. Hopefully someday you will develop at least a shred of intellectual integrity.
rleeermy 6 months ago
@rleeermy Google "case for a creator" and watch the video. I dare you to watch it and then reply....again...you haven't commented on any of the dissenting evidence I have presented...only told me how dumb I am. I've provided twelve arguments against your belief without so much as a single rebuttal...only that I'm stupid. You win....
mlydick 6 months ago 3
@rleeermy Evolution is actually not science. The Big Bang lines up more with the Genesis account than with evolution. In fact, the Big Bang leaves evolution without an answer. We all share the same scientific evidence. The Bible is the only book that has told scientific facts years before they were discovered. Not only that, but almost every major scientist was a Christian. Einstein even said, "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind."
NowAliveNHim 5 months ago
@rleeermy Evolution is, in fact, a religion in itself that ignores scientific evidence. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and the Theory of General Relativity is enough to dig a grave for evolution. If you look at statistics, you will see a drop in people who believe in evolution within the scientific community. Not only that, but biological limitiations would prevent macroevolution. Even Charles Darwin doubted his own theory and professed some faith in God.
NowAliveNHim 5 months ago
@rleeermy Evolution cannot tell anyone how the FIRST life began, because it would be impossible to begin with evolution.
NowAliveNHim 5 months ago
@rleeermy ...Christianity does take faith to believe!! but what in life isn't faith based??...it takes faith to sit in a chair (you have to have faith that it will hold u up) and faith each time u drive ur car, ect... And there is evidance of God all around...if u actually know anything about science and how everything works together perfectly there is no way u could believe that everything just came to be by chance; it had to have a designer with a plan! WHat do u believe?
bunger87 8 months ago
@bunger87 I don't respect any faith-based claim. I only believe something if it has evidence to back it up. Faith has nothing to do with me sitting in a chair. The chair has been proven to hold my body weight. Don't even try to bring science into this. The universe is in far from a perfect design, or any design at all. You have already said that you are believing because of faith, which is a surrender of reason. I am an atheist and a materialist.
rleeermy 8 months ago
Why is Francis Chan speaking at the Brooklyn Taberancle? A church of corruption.
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BTExposed 11 months ago
@BTExposed Because if they are truly corrupted (and I'm not saying they are, I don't know), they need to hear the gospel the most.
verisimilitune 10 months ago
@BTExposed There is no building on this earth where corruption cannot be found. But The Word needs to be heard in these places all the more.
TheLMack 9 months ago
@BTExposed Why not judge the message against the bible, rather than the actions of a man that this man is not? Didn't Jesus himself dine with the tax collectors and prostitutes?
waynefeller 9 months ago
3 people got possessed by Devil, let us help them.
noformstyle 1 year ago
you may not believe in my king jesus, but he believes in you
thespartanoffaith 1 year ago
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stridetide155 1 year ago
@stridetide155 God is real and he loves you.
butson89 1 year ago 31
@butson89
thank you for your comment
Freedish911 8 months ago
@butson89
I heard god speaking directly to me through your comment, thank you
Freedish911 8 months ago
@butson89 agreed.
RethinkPublishing 3 months ago
@stridetide155 Better hope you're right. Cuz if we're wrong, no big deal. If you are.... well, you do the math bro. :)
jhawver 1 year ago
@coffeepatron To clarify for savedbygrace3307, it is because of our Savior that death is not terrifying. It is because of God that we have a peace in death. We don't fear death because we have a savior. And we were once dead in sin, but because of our savior we are alive again and reborn spiritually.
weirdo1089 1 year ago
?? ok.. I'll pray for you.
Chouakue27 1 year ago
I can't wait for your return to planet-earth celestial big bother Yashuah!! This is your "fallen little brother" I knew my good big bother Yashuah would defeat that bully "The old serpent Satan". Thank You!
cespedeslv 1 year ago
Atheist have converted to Christianity.. Hm... :)
Chouakue27 1 year ago
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Chouakue27 1 year ago
He is all of us. It only makes sense. Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent--God is everything. Satan in the metaphorical sense is necessary otherwise life would be boring. God is immersed in his creation, he IS his creation....You are god, but so am I. : )
CoffeePatron 1 year ago
@CoffeePatron As believers, God's Spirit is inside us & this makes us His children but, we are not God. "I am God & there is no other; I am God & there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9 To an extent that He is "immersed in His creation" but He is NOT His creation. A mother gives birth to a child, her (& the dad's) DNA flow through that child but the mother isn't the child. Lastly, Satan is real; not because life would be boring but because he tried to fight against God & lost.Check out Rev 12:7-9
63psalm 1 year ago
@63psalm It also says in Isiah that "I am the Lord God, the creator of good and evil". So when people say satan is responsible they really mean the creator of satan, because everything, EVERYTHING came from God.
CoffeePatron 1 year ago
@CoffeePatron would you consider that saiah 45:7 makes 2 contrasts. First light is contrasted w/darkness. That makes perfect sense because the 2 ideas are exact opposites. Then the verse contrasts peace w/ evil - "I make peace & create evil." If evil means wickedness, this doesn't make sense. Peace isn't the opposite of wickedness. However, if evil refers to troubles & sorrows as those found in war, it makes perfect sense. The 2nd pair of ideas would then be complete opposites. What do u think?
63psalm 1 year ago
@63psalm I think that darkness is dependent on light and vice versa. Without light we would not know what darkness is, and so with hot and cold and the rest of it. Both are necessary to existence, and though one may be preferred by the human organism, it doesn't make it any less what it is. I'm afraid I don't get how wickedness isn't the opposite of peace though. Please explain. And I'm not being offensive, I'm curious of all things, including God.
CoffeePatron 1 year ago
@CoffeePatron Peace refers to a state of being; serene, tranquil &calm. The opposite of peace is anxious, troubled & agitated. Wickedness by defin. is evil by nature & in practice by which the opposite is goodness, pleasantry & decency. I'm trying to think of a comparison..maybe wickedness is to peace the way 'hurricane' is to 'warmth' they aren't opposites but the characteristic of the former can disrupt the nature of the latter. That's the best I can do sorry. I don't find you words offensive
63psalm 1 year ago
@CoffeePatron be willing to submit now to the Lord because you'll have to submit later!
savedbygrace3307 1 year ago
@savedbygrace3307 Well that's comforting. :) I'm a zen buddhist, but I also like Christianity.
You are perfect. :)
CoffeePatron 1 year ago
@CoffeePatron if you read my username you should know that I am not perfect. I am saved by grace, not by works. thank God because if we had to earn our salvation, we would all be doomed!
savedbygrace3307 1 year ago
@savedbygrace3307 Who is the "you" you're trying to get saved? You see, that's my only beef with religion, is that they fill your head with all sorts of terrifying things about the afterlife. That is supposed to be the art of government, to scare you about death.
CoffeePatron 1 year ago
@CoffeePatron nope not trying to scare you, just trying to say for myself that I am not good enough to save myself, that's why I need a savior!! Jesus Christ is my saviour
savedbygrace3307 1 year ago
@savedbygrace3307 Death is an undulation in consciousness--how would you know now that you are alive if you hadn't once been dead?
CoffeePatron 1 year ago
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@CoffeePatron how can you know that you were once dead?
savedbygrace3307 1 year ago
pray for stevenweir76. He just want to argue and bring you down for believing in God.
One day he will know what we mean...
Chouakue27 1 year ago
@Chouakue27 - Did you read my previous comments? You're an asshole.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76
I will pray for you. Thank you very much!
Chouakue27 1 year ago
@Chouakue27 - It's your time moron.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
More people need this hope
MMC377 1 year ago 21
Great video and message! Thank you!
beanpolelisa 1 year ago
Francis Chan is amazing
drivenbygrace..com
moneymanbc09 1 year ago
@moneymanbc09 yes he is! always on point.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
ther is no sense in continuing to argue with stevenweir76.. he is obiously very stubborn and sticks to waht he believes... which i think is a quality that is admirable... all we can do is pray for him.. god is the only one that can change a heart... and do not b disturbed by letting it go.. god will have his judgement on all who have lived.. keep praying and God bless all <3
tynaka123 1 year ago
@tynaka123 - Don't act like you have some kind of moral superiority over me. You don't. You may take your truth from authority, but the truth is my authority. Go make yourself feel better by praying for someone else who believes your bullshit. Keep me out of your delusional fantasies.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@tynaka123 Word. I just had to see about my brother that's all. He's lost but doesn't realize he is. So because of that I decided to finally end our debate. God Bless you bro for trying though...
iverson3wha 1 year ago
He doew what He wills because He is God! Enough said
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - So God can be amoral because God declares what is moral and yet he is free to break his own rules. Thou shall not kill for one. Guess he fucked that one up, and every time a person goes to hell, is that a success or a failure for your God? Hell, under a benign omnipotent God is logically impossible. So which is it, is your God not omnipotent or is he not benevolent? He's only batting about .300. Not very good for a God.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
Wow, why do atheists, unbelievers etc. feel the need to "evangelize" their non-belief?
Why can't they just go their merry way and leave God fearing people be?
Hmm... there must be something to this phenomenon. Is it a giant ego?
a hidden desire to know God? any thoughts?
cronpost 1 year ago
@cronpost - Why do theists feel the need to proselytize. Why can't they just go along their merry way? Is it a hidden desire to become atheist?
You're a moron.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
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iverson3wha 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 Are you so intellectually foolish to ee that the earth, stars, moon, and sun were not mere accidents of science. But they all Gloriously created along with you by an All Knowing, All Powerful God. Why waste your time debating something that you have to convince yourself day in and day out not to believe. Don't continue to lie to yourself you too can be free from the bondage of sin if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Christ died for you. God is Love!
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - You're way off dude, you seriously need to read my prior comments and quit kidding yourself. Your God concept is a self-reinforced delusion. I see nothing that shows there is a god, nor is one logical. And just because you don't understand astrophysics does not make you an expert on the formation of celestial bodies. 2/3rds of the world doesn't believe your bullshit, wonder why? Because it's bullshit. You have no evidence for anything yet you make proclamations from ignorance.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
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iverson3wha 1 year ago
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iverson3wha 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 2/3 of the world doesn't believe because they choose like you to remain bound to the concept of reality. Can you explain why there's air that you breathe? You can't see it so how do you know it's air and not something else? Can you explain why the Bible is the oldest book ever written? My God is far from a delusion. My life has been changed completely through His Word and yours can be too. When you hear the voice of God harden not your heart He loves you. why do you resist Him?
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha Yes, most people are bound to the concept of reality, the only options are reality and crazy. Yes I can explain why there is air that I breathe, it was formed from nuclear fusion in stars, I can be more descript if you like. The Bible is not the oldest book ever written, you are uneducated if you believe that.
I also don’t wish to change my life through belief but rather study of our natural universe.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 The Universe never loved anyone. But My God so Loved the world that He gave His only BEGOTTEN SON. I breathe the breath of God in my nostrils and the moment HE takes it I will cease to live, nothing to do with a stars fusion. The Wisdom of God is greater than all of man's knowledge so I may not be very educated in the knowledge of this world. But the knowledge and Wisdon of God makes man's sound so foolish. You've been consumed by the knowledge of man. Love you
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - That's a pretty powerful self- delusion you got there. I just want to know why you believe it. Why not Sikhism or Buddhism or Islam? For what reason do you believe. If your only answer boils down to wishful thinking. Which I think it does, then you are deluding yourself.
It would not matter if you have have love for me. Your God will assure I burn in hell. The concept fails because of its totalitarian nature. Infinite punishment for minor transgressions is a tool of oppression.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 I believe because I was a sinner in need of a Savior. And Jesus Christ is the only God that did this not Ali, or Buddha or Adali Lama... I don't wish this happened I know this happened because it changed my life and most importantly it changed my Heart. I love you because your my neighbor and the greatest commandment is Love your neighbor as yourself. You don't have to burn in hell and I would never wish that for you or anybody. You choose Christ I'm not oppressed but free.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 Free from the bodage of sin because of HIS SACRIFICE not my own. He asks that I sacrifice He doesn't demand anything even though He could He gives us free will to choose Him so that the love we share is real and not an obligation. Again I truly appreciate the conversation there's just no convincing me otherwise. My mind is made up that I simply can't live without the love of Christ compelling my lifestyle to be more like His.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - I also have love for humanity, you don't have to keep telling me that you love me. You love people, I respect that. Now let's figure out what truly makes humanity better, and let's explore this with intellectual integrity and honesty together. We'll go one step at a time. One idea at a time, and explore them fully.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 I respect you as well. You believe very strongly with the mind God gave you and are very firm in your study. Likewise, my Love for ppl is rooted and grounded in my faith in Jesus Christ! I've explored diff. ways to love and impact humanity and this was the greatest of all and no other came close. Be blessed and I will continue to say I love you because without love my faith is dead.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - Where you see only good in Christianity, I see problems, lots of them. Preachers in Africa take exorbitant amounts of money to cure children in their tribe of Witchcraft, amazingly usually 50-70 % of a tribe's children are usually witches. This traumatizes the children and it is a lie. People believe God answers prayers, then they blame themselves when bad things happen to loved ones. Mega churches sponge money off of unsuspecting Christians and make oodles of money.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 I see Christ and a relationship, you see Christianity and a religion. I see Christ love and you see the money ppl make off of the name of Jesus. The heart of man is wicked and so when you look at ppl to try and understand an eternal God you'll always fall short of understanding. He's God all by Hisself and His Truth needs no explaination. Ppl believe because they want and choose to. And when bad things happen they blame God not themselves. It's about His Love not a mega church!
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - I get it. Good things happen, God did it. Bad things happen, humans did it. Even though God supposedly created humans, and tempted them, and killed a lot of them, and commanded atrocities throughout humanity, and can't get a clear cohesive, unifying message through to humanity. It's almost like he's not there!!
You must think you and all humans are completely worthless. It's no wonder you buy in to the church BS that we are all wretched.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 James 1:14 But every man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust. You sound intelligent and yet you didn't catch that tempted in the Bible sometimes trials and not temptations to sin but test to be made perfect. God killed when ppl refused to submit to His Sovereignty and Just will. If you raised your kids and they became Great in the land and they never called or came to see you and even told everyone they did it on their own wouldn't that bother you?
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - I also don't believe my mind was given to me by God. If there was a benevolent God and he gave everyone their minds we would effectively be responsible for nothing. Which is often how Christians feel when they believe Jesus is an acceptable scapegoat for all of their misgivings and wrong-doings. The idea that a belief will make you free of your transgressions will effectively make you have very little motivation to get better, you will think you are already there.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 You've been watching ppl and not reading the word of God. The Bible doesn't teach us to use Jesus as a scapegoat. But a Savior who has reconciled us to the Father which is the God Head. Death is the penalty of sin but Jesus took away that penalty when He died and ASKS that we submit ourselves to His will to replace our old ways from sin and unrighteousness to holiness and righteousness.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - There is nowhere in the Bible that says we have free will. Unless you can find it stated otherwise, why do you believe that? Think of a psychopath with the morality part of the brain damaged. He can't know because of his brain the difference between right and wrong. To hell with him. Literally. But that is the way he was born.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 Joshua 24 Choose ye this day whom you will serve.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. All meaning you and the psycho. Everyone has an opportunity and God gives us that chance to see and understand that He is the Way, Truth and the Life. Listen to the first thing Francis says. " get a handle on God does what He wants. Period!
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - A psychopath does not have the same opportunity as me to perceive morality, it is not always a choice. Everyone has different knowledge, which also alters the choice. I have seen no god, maybe you have, but I have not been given that opportunity. I hear lots of people talking about it, I just don't see or believe it. If there is a God and it does what it wants, the choice is out of my hands.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 He is Just. Maybe you missed that the first 20 times I said it. His Love is unconditional. You missed that too. He's God and He is Love therefore in order for us to truly Love Him we must have a choice to choose Him. Period! If you choose God right now it puts you in His hands so in that since it is out of your hands. You hear ppl not the Word of God. Ppl will lead you astray get to know Him for yourself for the last time and read everything I wrote. Scriptures said it all. SMH
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - The lack of unconditional love is exactly why Christianity is disgusting. The love has one condition, and that condition is to abandon all reason, to accept things based on faith. Faith is not a virtue. Faith is either intellectual laziness or dishonesty.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - This causes humans to not grow, and when we don't grow we stagnate and decay.
You got one thing right though. There is something more powerful than God or religion when you say love, do you perhaps mean hope, but for me it is hope that brings love? And the idea that there will be a judgment day or the world is ending is not going to bring hope. Hope is when we work together and are honest and do the best we can for our fellow humans.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 This is what made me grow into the Man, Father, and Husband I am today and I wouldn't trade it for the world. For what would it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul. Now wisdom is understanding God is in control and no matter how hard we work together perfection is not obtained but through Christ all things are possible. God Bless and Love ya bro.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - What I really, really, really want you to think about is why would a person who doesn't believe in God care about love and hope and try to spread that, and follow the thought through a little more and ask yourself. If you suddenly found out your God was a lie, that some other God was the true God, would that change how you behave towards others? I hope not, because if that's true than 2/3rds of the world (at least) are going to hell for lack of faith. Someone must be wrong.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - For me I take it a step farther, I can love without belief, I can act with logic and reason and still be happy and spread happiness. Beliefs do not have to be supernatural, unprovable things. There is good reason to be happy and spread happiness, and it doesn't require magic. Just good old truth.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 What I believe is far from magic but it is life and truth. You don't need God to love but you need God to Love unconditionally. You don't need God to be happy, But you need God to experience joy unspeakable. You sound comfortable where you are in life so no need to debate my belief just spread the love that He gave to me freely.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - I have great moments of joy in my life, personal victories, seeing my child grow. Love, passion, happiness. It's all there. We are happy because we choose to be happy. I have grown into a man, husband and father as well. What makes you think these things are exclusive to believers?
Anything is possible. With or without God. Including the idea that God might not exist.
Your first thought to answer a problem or question is God. Mine is, "Let's find out, let's discover and learn."
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 I said these things helped me. Key " ME" I never said this was only for Christians. Everything I've written is personal experience with God and the word not what I've heard alone but what I've seen and been affected by. Relationship not religion. Faith not a theory. I have a Heavenly Father who is Sovereign and Just in all that He does including those He judges through death. That includes Christians not just sinners. The Bible says He rains on the just and unjust alike.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - I am not subject to your God, faith is belief without evidence, by definition. This notion may help you somehow, but what you choose is to accept a lie to make yourself happy. I take truth at face value and see where it leads. A life without God is neither bleak nor unhappy, you have been given the wrong impression. There is a deeper meaning IMO when we seek truth at all cost. Even if that cost is the happy belief that we're going to live forever.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 Going to live forever where? In Heaven right! I thought you would get it after a while. It only took a week or so but you know the onlay to live forever is by the Spirit and not flesh. Wow, you almost made me teary eyed God bless you brother.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - There is no way to live forever. This is a fantasy.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 I've answered all your questions. The only one I didn't was to prove whether Christ excist. Well if you new who I was before Christ and saw me now you would know that Jesus Christ excist! Living forever is a fantasy to the mindset of man but to God it'ssimple. Understand all things are His and you can't make it make since to yourself because you refuse to believe it. So again love you and pray you don't harden your heart when you hear the voice of God!
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - Your life may seem simpler but it is only a detour from reality. But listen, we all want to take pause and stop the merry-go-round sometimes, but you can pretend all you want, it changes nothing. If the only reason that you act with morality is because you believe in hell and heaven, then it isn't really morality at all. You don't make these choices freely, your bias brings you fear. My heart isn't hard, I wear it on my sleeve proverbially speaking, and I try to spread hope.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 I don't act with morality. I act with holiness. Morality will keep you out of jail but holiness gives you access to the Kingdom of Heaven. Never pretending only living out the life Christ predestined for me. I could choose tomorrow to go back to my old ways as some have but that's no longer an obtion for ME. Because I choose Christ everyday because everyday is a different opportunity to give up or grow up.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - Wow, I've heard about this kind of crazy before but never spoken to anyone who actually thought they were holier than anyone else. You've got it bad. How would living a life for Christ be any better than just living a life, especially if Christ and everything he said about heaven wasn't true. You think you're holier but then there's a lot of things you believe that you have no proof for.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 If what I believe in is foolish or contradictory it will come to nothing. So why do you waste so much of you time trying to convince ppl of Christ non-excistance. If it's wrong it will come to nothing. But I realize now you KNOW that it will come to something. That's why your fighting against it the way you do. I just saw you page 4 the first time since we've talked. And I still love you bro.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - It is because you are being used and many religious people are being used by authorities who claim to do the right thing in the name of a God that no person can see. The actions committed by many religions based upon scripture are deplorable. I seek to eliminate confusion. I do that by saying there may or may not be a god, but that yo-yo with the robes and funny hat doesn't know anything you don't know. I fight religion because people are suffering and tormented by it.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 I'm not being used by anyone but God. I'm not under any authority but God's. You believe things about me and yet you have no idea. I'm not confused but enlightened by the fact that the Son of God came and died for Me. And guess what? He lives and rains forever more and there aint no preacher in a robe nor an atheist on youtube that can change that. It's not religion for the last time it'a a RELATIONSHIP. Father and Son, Husband and Wife, Adoptive parent to adopted child. READ!
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - I don't have to believe things about you, you're putting your insanity on display. What enlightenment did you receive from a story. What do you know about the universe that I don't know? The answer is nothing, but there's a lot of things you think you know. This is hubris. Everything you spout is unproven claims. I have seen all the other relationships you speak of, but if there is a heavenly father, he's a deadbeat.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 There isn't a relationship on this Earth that doesn't require sacrifice. Fiction or nonfiction there's no god that does not require sacrifice. This is a natural order that you of all people should understand. You assume way to much when it comes to the life of a Christian. Maybe you used to be one and was caught in the religious aspect and not the Spiritual and/or the Relationship. Christ should only be presented with unconditional Love. Sorry for those who didn't do that. Love you
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - If God created nature then it is God that is responsible for requiring sacrifice.
And no, I have to repeat myself because people are delusional and have thick skulls.
Prove Jesus existed, then prove he performed miracles, then prove that you know him. One step at a time. You keep jumping to the end, and I can't follow, you make too many leaps of faith.
Start with point one, prove he existed. That's all I ask, that shouldn't be difficult for a hardcore Christian like you.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. And without faith it's impossible to please God so I would be defeating the whole purpose of what I BELIEVE if my focus is solely on proving God's existance. Leaps of Faith is what I live for.Totally dependant on God to do what He promised to do in His Word. I move and He responds because Faith without action is dead so there it is. You practice a lifestyle unconstrained by divine limits. Therefore pleasing your ego cant happen
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - My definition of faith is the same as Mark Twain's. Faith is believing what you know ain't true.
Yes trying to find evidence for God does defeat it. Then if someone like me who respects the scientific method and uses these faculties to the best of my abilities can't see God, and even finds counter-evidence to God and Jesus, what then?
Logic has led me directly away from the concept of God. Humans are never satisfied, you can't "please" your ego either.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 So you live life based on your own definitions words and your own ideas. I see why you go no further than logic!
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - I go far beyond my own logic. If I didn't I would still be a Christian. I look at the evidence, and even if I don't like it I try to make the best of it.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 You don't have to bash a religion to get ppl to see the truth. If it's wrong again it will come to nothing. But you were probably one who sucked up to the preacher and followed his every word and not God's. This is and has been going on for years. But trust me this is not the way to get back at those who hurt you because your condeming your own soul. Please don't give up on God. He loves you and I do too. God Bless
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - I have to bash religion because to try to speak about science with the likes of you who doesn't understand it in any way, shape or form, the only thing to do is to demonstrate how wrong you are within the confines of your own belief system. You seem unable to think about things the way I do so I try to understand what you are thinking.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - And my list goes a lot farther, the stifling of scientific progress because of superstition is one that pisses me off to no extent. If science is the rigorous application of the mind, and it were applied to human happiness and morality then effectively we could be honestly finding answers to problems in the world. Belief, which causes more harm works directly against this, and sadly there are those who thrive in the confusion, some are the cause of it in fact.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 Belief doesn't cause confusion ppl do. Their lack of true faith and understanding leads them to move without God saying to and making decisions based of impulse and because they go to a church every week blame God for their mistakes and unhappiness. But nothing is further from the truth we are in control of what we do.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - Belief is a product of the human mind that can't be separated from humans. Why would you state that "Belief doesn't cause confusion ppl do."
I don't believe in sin. Nor should I suffer for the actions of another. God seems to have a lot of misdirected rage.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 Belieif doesn't cause confusion. Christ dying for my sins is not confusing to me, unless I don't believe it. You don't believe in sin, but yet you live in a country built on laws that reflect the commandments of old. Is killing and stealing ok . Or is it braking the law and likewise sin. You only suffer for your actions. Suffering for Christ sake is an obtion once you believe He died so you wouldn't have to suffer sins penalty but persucution for your Faith.
iverson3wha 1 year ago
@iverson3wha - Our laws are not built upon religious laws. If they were then shellfish would be banned, and there would be no laws against drugs. Law if the subject of human morality and societal tolerance, not Biblical standards. And if Jesus died for my sins as you suggest, and it is a sin to reject Jesus, why the big whoop? I don't think you have faith in your own belief. If Jesus did what he said, no-one will go to hell. So just relax and enjoy your life.
stevenweir76 1 year ago
@stevenweir76 No one HAS TO go to Hell but Satan and His demons. But those who again