Laws of Thermodynamics, Evolution and The Big Bang - YouTube.flv

[quitchiboo]

So how much do i have to pray to allah or the other deities before someone logically explains to me how gabs in our understanding of the universe naturally proof that omnipotent entities exist in general AND specifically God and or Allah and or Jahwe and or any other of the countless creators in other cultures?

[4evertruthful]

@quitchiboo

GAps in your understanding does not prove Allah's existence.

It is knowledge that the abiogenesis cannot just HAPPEN that proves Allah's existence.

There is nothing in name if the name describes your creator .

God is beyond imagination and is transcendent, without Origin or End and is the cause of existence of everything and everyone

[quitchiboo]

Even if ebiogenesis were to to be found impossible, how would that point to the existence of a specific deity? For example "Allah". This reasoning is completely arbitrary, since you would have to consider all other possibilities of how life started. It is not like "abiogenesis vs allah" it is rather like " abiogenesis vs x and a subset of x would be deities of which a subset was allah". I hope i made myself clear here;)

[4evertruthful]

@quitchiboo

There is no scripture that says that there are plenty of Creators involved in Creating this universe, the only difference between different scriptures is that they eaither give different names to the Originator of heavens and earth or they ascribe partnership to one God who created the universe.

Difference in language is the explanation of different names given to him by different people and faulty concept of God leading to doubts in supremacy leads to attributing partnership

[quitchiboo]

@4evertruthful i am not going to engage in an religious debate with you. I'm interested in what is scientifically available only. I cannot falsify the concept of an creator, since the concept itself is specifically designed to be fuzzy. However I'd like to know how falsifying abiogenesis leads to proof of the existence of deities. What if a very advanced civilization started life on earth as an experiment or the whole universe is just a simulation. All of these are as likely as your explanation.

[4evertruthful]

@quitchiboo

The very advanced civilisation needs to have a beginning and needs to get its intelligence from someone or at a point.

The information theory says that information needs intelligence.

I would like you to think the other way.

What should falsify existence of God and what criteria you should have to accept that God exists.

[quitchiboo]

@4evertruthful if we were to observe that laws of physics suddenly change or make exceptions for people who believe in a certain religion, like if prayer worked, that would be a strong hint that there is something supernatural. On the other hand it is impossible to falsify gods existence, if he is supernatural he cannot be detected by natural means, especially if he is not interfering or doesn't care what happens within the universe.

[4evertruthful]

@quitchiboo

Our existence in this universe is for a short period of trial when we work without directly seeing God.

If you ask God something, he will respond to you.

So ask him to cause something that does not happen normally and may be he will direct you to the right path.

But history tells it that those who are stubborn will continue denial of God even if they see the change in natural laws with their own eyes.

This is because they do not want to change themselves for God.

[quitchiboo]

@4evertruthful Well i'd find it very disturbing if a god changed laws of physics just to please my particular desire. What would make me so darn privileged compared to people who are suffering and in real need of divine intervention? However i came to the conclusion, that it is in fact silly to apply the same standards to religion as we apply to science. Religion is simply a matter of faith, which you choose to have or not to have and all the evidence in the world won't change that fact.

[vytah]

21 s in and already wrong: not all systems, but CLOSED systems. Earth is not at all closed system, because of, well, the Sun.

Solar system, as a whole, decays, because the Sun burns up.

If the other 17 minutes 42 seconds are based on this falsehood, then I made a good choice by stopping the video and closing the tab right after posting this comment.

[4evertruthful]

@vytah

Complex molecules cannot be formed to originate life even  if energy is supplied.

Abiogenesis is impossible Thermodynamically

[quitchiboo]

@4evertruthful So why do we find amino acids, which are complex organic molecules, inside of stellar clouds then? Do you have special evidence that molecules have some sort of thermodynamic lock that prevents them to reach certain degrees of complexity like those required for our kind of life? what about hypothetical different kinds of life, which are not carbon based or even weirder than that? And what exactly makes abiogenesis impossible thermodynamiclly?

[4evertruthful]

@quitchiboo

I can refer to you the video with full calculations that origin of life is not possible Thermodynamically.

This is because origin of life needs formation of not only Amino acids, naturally, but also nucleic acids and their assembly along with formation of membranes .

Work needed to accomplish this task is not possible with energy supply only.

watch?v=nwgRznYfoKE

[4evertruthful]

@quitchiboo

I can refer to you the video with full calculations that origin of life is not possible Thermodynamically.

This is because origin of life needs formation of not only Amino acids, naturally, but also nucleic acids and their assembly along with formation of membranes .

Work needed to accomplish this task is not possible with energy supply only.

/watch?v=nwgRznYfoKE

[quitchiboo]

@4evertruthful first of all thank you for trying to approach this scientifically. Al ot of religious people on youtube get very angry and insulting when someone challenges their world view.

I've seen the video you linked to and i will have to do some research on that. Since it is critical not to rely on just one source no matter what you're concerned with. However Abiogenesis entrails various mechanisms all of which remain hypotheses it is not nearly as profound as evolution theory.

[4evertruthful]

@quitchiboo

The evidence that one species appeared on earth after the other does not prove that the former was the ancestor of later but I do not want to indulge in that argumet.

Thank you for consideration that you will look at other sources to see whether it is possible for abiogenesis to happen naturally !

[dirtywhores4cash]

fuck islam

[4evertruthful]

@dirtywhores4cash

The religion that is based upon Justice and peace !