The Geometry of Music

[acidbath32]

it would be interesting to see algorhythms from programs highlighting the notes you play in a sacred geometrical pattern concordant to what you are playing on the instrument, anyone know of said programs i can download?? if not they should make one!

[Dolphidood]

your a smart man Robby, I play piano but today I've just given up on communication for any more than survival purposes but maybe I just haven't got the brain... you know what Im sayin?

[gd44]

I listened to Stravinski and the triangle turned into a dodecahedron

[icecreamget]

HEY ROB, INTERPRET SOME DAMN MERZBOW

[MrMikeludo]

Perhaps we can suppose it is as Dr. Pert said: "If God speaks to man, if man speaks to God, it would be through the prefrontal cortex." And when a person developes the ability to "see" music's absolute function, as a concordant polyphonically structured whole, of non-tangible form geometrical equations, effectually functioning as, while remaining subserviant to, a hierarchically structured whole: symphony - Mozart, they become capable of "seeing" the "mind of God," and understand His existance.

[AegeanKing]

fucking nerds

[ZoSoVirtuoso1]

@AegeanKing well you're quite shallow.

[SomethingReal1119]

Music = the ultimate "proof" that God exists.

[Erithlon]

@SomethingReal1119 Could you explain me that statement? And also define your God when you do please. :)

[Dolphidood]

@SomethingReal1119 stop it!! pleeeeease ha ha I'll give you anything!!! stop it!!

[SomethingReal1119]

@Dolphidood who the hell are YOU?

[Dolphidood]

@SomethingReal1119 ME?

[1AaroUin]

The way i see it the emotional impact of music has to do with the way sound frequency progressions influence the mechanical frequency progressions of our bodies, especially our brains. eg sad songs make us sad because the frequency progressions are harmonious with the brainwave frequencies that exist when we are sad. The differences throughout culture would be due to the difference physiologies and attitudes of different cultures.

[redhavok666]

pat pattison(speling?) came here for a lecture once and touched on the subject of perception of music. he said people whine in minor 3rds, which would explain the sad vibe(he had other examples such as 4ths but my notes are elswhere right now) and he had a funy story bout him nearly dieing and going to his 7th when he screamed. this wuld also make sense for its extrme tension and the expected resolution to 1s tonic. our perception of music is a part of our conditioning may b wat he was geting at

[redhavok666]

@redhavok666 id also lke to apologize about the horrible grammar and spelling. character limits, eh?

[Theologica37]

Do you have a degree? Where from?

It is exciting listening to you think.

[TooMuchToo0ften]

sounds like nate dog in ur opening jingle

[leewardstyle]

Rob, that image instilled within me a strong desire to play Chinese Checkers. lol.

[Jordainio]

I don't think it's about emotional and cultural aspects...

I'd say it all is geometry in the sense that every noise breaks down into a simple frequency, or vibration.

And besides, Lennon and Mccartney don't compare to COLTRANE. That's some geometry there,,,

[MidnightDC696969]

when i play guitar, i mean when im alone jammin i get into a trance and fall into a tribal sound, i am just the observer but the music is just flowing changing itself, it ets intense then relaxing and all spectrum of vibrations...really music can bring you into a deep connection with the universe if you can seperate your ego from the vibrations and just play what is needed

[IndigoVagrant]

@MidnightDC696969

I can totally relate to this. The "music trance", especially when I play guitar. It liket a psychedelic state of deep connection to love(God) and the universe for me. Hopefully one day humanity will be able to tap into this power to make great strides in communication and cultural relativism.

[nrayanerhg53h]

why do you sound like an unbelievable douchebag?

[Patriciovaldivieso]

remeber we can only sound as our personalities, if we are dicks we'll sound like that in our instrument, you can't lie in music.

Any way i hope you'll undersatnd what i say, specailly if you are a musician, i swear it will help hips,

best wishes for all,

And good luck!

[Patriciovaldivieso]

Now try my method, listen to the song 50 times before touching the piano, then sing the moelody before touch the piano, finally get into the piano, you'll see how fast you'll get it, cause in you mind you already know that. Intuition is much more accurate than learned stuff, and the link all musician should try to reach is that link where you can express yourself freely with no theoretical or practical chains, not only playing what they have tought you! or sounding like miles or byrd!

[Patriciovaldivieso]

For example if you want to play blues for alice, most people will go to their teachers and ask how, the teacher will say:, "you have to play the changes and make a harmonic analysis of the chart so you can know where each scale should be played etc," I believe that's completely wrong way of teaching.

that's a person that memorized a method and that's why i say that it is not the best approach to music! theory is always good, once your research makes you bump into it. so then it will open doors.

[Patriciovaldivieso]

About the comment of malandro, the occurrence of "harmonic moments" sounds more offensive than accurate, but just to answer you there's a much better method than studying 4 years of bullshit in uni, about harmony or about anything, that's exposure and research i don't expect that you agree with me, but after being to uni, you'll see what i mean. The best way to lear anything, not only music, it's by exposing yourself to it, in this case it would be exposing to the music you want to learn

[Patriciovaldivieso]

I have nothing against the mathematical point of view of music, but i strongly believe that it's a big mistake to take that approach in order to understand compositions, its about human sensitivity not II / V / I formulas, any way still it's great that there's people seeking for understanding.

Best Regards.

[Vebable]

If you do not know the formula, how can u express any emotion with use of harmonics? The mathematics of music are made to explain all of the system of sounds witch you can use express every sensation. It can really help your creativity to have better tools...

[Malandrobuenciego]

Arer you suggesting that we keep on playing randomly from now on and wait for harmonic moments to occur by divine intervention and keep on reinventing the wheel for the next couple of centuries?

[Patriciovaldivieso]

I didn't mean to be offensive at all, it's just that as a composer and a very passionate science seeker, i found many of your videos very illuminating, but this one, with all the respect, didn't seemed to make sense at all, basically by modeling music in such a way for comparison purposes, you intend to get a better overview of how and what a composer is trying to express, but that is exactly why the composer picked music as the output, so it is meant to be listened not watched.

[Patriciovaldivieso]

Study harmony and you'll understand music, there are already patterns in music language for different kind of compositions and movements, i found this a little bit forced by scientists trying to understand what musicians already know. Better stick to string theory and other physics fields.

any way congrats for the effort.

Best Regards.

[10thdim]

Since my day job is composing music for films and tv shows I'm not quite sure what you mean about this being forced, but thanks for the congrats. :)

Rob

[dmenach]

@10thdim owned :)

rob you have similar interests to that of myself. I'm currently an undergraduate doubling in physics and electrical engineering but my real passion is music. Is it possible to use these degrees to get into a career related to music such as Audio Engineering?

[rodjoe2001]

@Patriciovaldivieso

"Study harmony and you will understand music". What a shallow statement! not different from saying "study wheels and you will understand cars". To many, silence is just as important, to others, conventional harmony sounds like screeching on a chalkboard and chaotic cacophony sounds like music made in heaven, whatever that means. The patterns are just that, which sound constricted and inspirational to many.

Study harmony and you'll begin to understand harmony.....or maby not

[analhemorrhage]

@Patriciovaldivieso

Anti-intellectual AND pompous. *slow clap* congratulations.

[bottman5]

@analhemorrhage lol!! yeah "Patriciovaldivieso" doesnt seem like the type to be watching the 10th dim vids... no offense Patriciovaldivieso... um... best wishes to you... too... ?

[cetza78]

@Patriciovaldivieso : burn

[secretagent229]

@Patriciovaldivieso

i saw dmitri tymockzo speak about his work - his knowledge of music theory was the hardest part for myself and the other researchers around me to understand because it was so vast. i am an artist myself, and i can see how artists want to resist math or science attempting to identify patterns in art. it seems to demystify the process and make it all just another set of numbers. however, i think that math only serves to illuminate how complex and beautiful art really is.

[z0ph1a]

I agree: If I glance at a composition written on a sheet with the traditional staff and notes, I can automatically see similar chords, notes, and timing. Certain pieces are too hard to understand in real time, which is why I can't sight read everything. This just seems like another way to read music, evaluating different factors. Music is too complex to read everything at once so, like any mathmatical solution: break it down into smaller mysteries evaluating different things.

[vfnk]

perhaps even closer..the fourth dimension perhaps?

[termimeepit]

porfavor traduscan al castellano !!! gracias Adios.

[AllthatIamisLove]

Greetings.

The teachings of The Wonders would be of great benefit to you.

choose freely

[jingleshady]

Ｅverything, including us, are just patterns continuing through time.

Ｇreat thought！ Ｔhanks.

[MavericKahwiJones]

Which means we are just Information [patterns of energy] wow

[wsetrecords]

Beautiful.

[Solaropal]

Check out Geomusic on the web. I was turned on to this in the 90's and it may be fun to play with. It's inventor, James Furia, has a very interesting way of describing painting God's face with sound.

[10thdim]

Wow, Solaropal, that's a great recommendation! Looks like a fascinating exploration, I'll be spending time on the Geomusic site for sure.

Rob

[Solaropal]

Thanks so much, Rob!!! Being a metaphysical kinda guy I really resonated with Jimmy's concepts, I believe around the time I picked up the Tao of Physics. If you reach him somehow he has an excellently entertaining record expounding his theory through music in the vein of Brian Wilson and The Beatles. A very intriguing musical soul.

[yourmomisrandom]

I'm also curious about what you have to say on chladni patterns, its a thing that has fascinated me for some time now. I've had a few years of musical training but I'm also very interested in the physics behind sound, and your blogs on dimensions made me wonder if there's a link between harmonics and dimensions. As each new harmonic gives rises to a new pattern, which would be one frame within a line of another dimension, at least that's my initial conclusion.

[deathskunk3]

Its a verry interesting comparison :) Greetings Jona Cohen