Bart Bellon: The biggest mistake in positive training

[noadotoo]

Why are you double-clicking? Just curious... The usual click that most people use is one push-and-release, which makes one pair of "click-click!" sounds. You made 2 pairs...

[oberdot]

@noadotoo I'm really not sure why Bellon double clicks. I don't think he does it everytime though. Maybe he was just in a double click kind of mood that day ...

[musicofnote1]

Well, it's nice to see (again) how a compulsion trainer dosn't understand the different reinforcement schedules as used in Clicker Training.

1) Clicker Training doesn't depend on food. You can click and reinforce with play. Or simply doing what the dog wants

2) Clicker Training doesn't mean that a Clicker is the only marker signal. look up tertiary signals or intermediary bridges.

[musicofnote1]

3) Most Clicker Trainers fade out both the rewards as well as the clicker itself, once the dog has learned the behavior. Any marker (mechanical or vocal) can be used. This is how sequences and chains are built.

4) Um - you were clicking WRONG. Once will do. Why did you click twice? Always twice? I LOVE humor, but if you are going to use it, why not base it in reality, not in fiction?

[oberdot]

@musicofnote1

(1) I'm sure Bellon will agree with that. Although he places a great importance in food because he argues food has a more primordial, existential meaning to dogs than playing tug, chasing a ball, or petting do.

(2) Bellon uses a bridge markers. In the clip he talks quite a bit about marking a dog for "staying in behavior". From what I can figure out: for him, click is a bridge, the word "YEA" is a bridge. The sound "TSK" is the release.

[FA37800]

Good idea....Jackpots and random quality, unpredictable type treats are important. However, perhaps the trainer does not realize (since English is not his native language) that his exclamations are offensive.....HOPEfully this is the case, and not that he is just a crass talker.....

[oberdot]

@FA37800 Bart is a crass talker! :-D